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Credlin | 6 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peto Kranland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: But evening, welcome to the program on this Easter Monday night.
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Speaker 2: Is what's coming up tonight on Kredline? Easter? Was it
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Speaker 2: celebrated where you were yesterday? Was it erased? As we've
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Speaker 2: seen in soupermarkets and elsewhere where, they're focused on the
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Speaker 2: chocolate and the bunny, but not on Christ. If this
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Speaker 2: what's happening in the royal family, there's no surprise that
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Speaker 2: many traditions are going by the wayside. I'll have more
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Speaker 2: to say on that in just a moment. Tough talk
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Speaker 2: ahead of the budget when it comes to the NDIS,
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Speaker 2: But new data shows it's Labour's heartland that's most at
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Speaker 2: risk when it comes to NDIS fraud. So can we
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Speaker 2: trust Labor to fix this multi billion dollar miss? Plus
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Speaker 2: yet another Islamic preacher deported, but only after their hate
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Speaker 2: speech was brought to light by the media. Now this
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Speaker 2: is the second case the space of a week. So
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Speaker 2: why is Labour so slow to act? And why I
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Speaker 2: am We're doing better to keep these extremists out of Australia.
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Speaker 2: And recession fears mount as petrol pumps run dry and
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Speaker 2: the best of it us it can offer is advice
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Speaker 2: on your tire pressure.
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Speaker 3: Little things you can do like checking your tire pressure
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Speaker 3: can make a big difference to your energy efficiency.
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Speaker 4: The alban Easy Labor government handling of this has been
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Speaker 4: like a facal Jackson Pollock.
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Speaker 2: But first, I wonder how many of us have enjoyed
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Speaker 2: the Easter break without giving a thought to the reason
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Speaker 2: why we have it, or if we have remembered that
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Speaker 2: it's to mark the death and resurrection of Christ, even
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Speaker 2: if we regard ourselves as Christian, haven't actually attended a service.
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Speaker 2: And yet, regardless of how religious you might be on
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Speaker 2: the scale of observance, we should all be wary of
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Speaker 2: attempts to drive faith, Christian faith and tradition out of
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Speaker 2: our Western lives. Sometimes it's as simple as promoting chocolate,
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Speaker 2: eggs and buddy it's without any mention of the word Easter.
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Speaker 2: And sometimes it's far more troubling, as it was over
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Speaker 2: the weekend when King Charles Is, the titular head of
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Speaker 2: the Church of England, declined to offer any Eastern message
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Speaker 2: this year. Now, bizarrely, the king was very comfortable with
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Speaker 2: his Ramadan messages this year, but not anything to mark
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Speaker 2: the solemnity of Holy Week for his Christian subjects, something
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Speaker 2: that didn't pass unremarked in Britain. Very happy Easter to you.
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Speaker 5: And to you we can say to each other, even
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Speaker 5: if the King can't say it to us.
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Speaker 6: Right, I'm glad that to you began our conversation in
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Speaker 6: that one.
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Speaker 7: This is part of King Charles's multi faith, relativistic agenda.
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Speaker 7: He takes a view that the Aprahamic religions are all
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Speaker 7: more or less the same their cousins. There's no distinction,
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Speaker 7: and everyone just ought to get on very well.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to make addresses for Id and Ramadan that
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Speaker 1: you've got to address the Jewish community. You celebrate paesarch
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Speaker 1: Passer at the same time addressed the Christian community who
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Speaker 1: were celebrating Lent and Easter. At the same time.
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Speaker 2: There was a chaplain to the Queen, a former queen. Now,
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Speaker 2: my colleague Rowan Dane really pulled this apart brilliantly yesterday
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Speaker 2: on Outsiders. It's worth taking out a.
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Speaker 8: Look a few weeks ago, when the Palace officially celebrated Ramadan,
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Speaker 8: Islam's holiest time of the year, not only with an
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Speaker 8: official online statement but also had a state banquet for
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Speaker 8: the Muslim president of Nigeria.
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Speaker 9: My wife and I are delighted to welcome you to Windsor.
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Speaker 9: I acknowledge is no small sacrifice, and so it is
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Speaker 9: my particular pleasure to wish she was the president. Peace,
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Speaker 9: blessings and an abundance of joy and Ramadan Ubarak.
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Speaker 8: It is no secret that Charles is a strong supporter
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Speaker 8: of Britain's Islamic community. Here he and his wife, Queen Committ,
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Speaker 8: were happily filmed packing dates for Muslims to eat at
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Speaker 8: sunset during Ramadan.
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Speaker 10: Islam is part of our past and are present in
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Speaker 10: all fields of human endeavor. It has helped to create
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Speaker 10: modern Europe. It is part of our own inheritance, not
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Speaker 10: a thing apart. Islam can teach us today a way
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Speaker 10: of understanding and living in the world which Christianity itself
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Speaker 10: is the poorer.
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Speaker 11: For having lost. Islamic world is the custodian of one
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Speaker 11: of the greatest treasuries of accumulated wisdom and spiritual knowledge
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Speaker 11: available to humanity. It is both Islam's noble heritage and
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Speaker 11: a priceless gift to the rest of the world.
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Speaker 10: A salamu lecum Ramadan Mubarak.
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Speaker 2: And you will recall the controversy at the time of
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Speaker 2: his coronation, with reports that Charles wanted to drop the
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Speaker 2: title enjoyed by monarch since the time of Henry the Eighth,
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Speaker 2: that of Defender of the Faith so the Church England faith,
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Speaker 2: and to instead replace it with Defender of Faith, meaning
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Speaker 2: all faiths, not just his country's official Christian one. The
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Speaker 2: backlash at the time was so swift and severe that
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Speaker 2: this move, if it was under consideration, was kiboshed, and
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Speaker 2: he took the same oath and titles as his ancestors
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Speaker 2: before him. After all, maybe someone reminded him that he
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Speaker 2: wasn't going to get the top job without being anointed
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Speaker 2: with holy oil by the Archbishop of Canterbury, and having
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Speaker 2: waited some seventy years to get there. He certainly fell
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Speaker 2: into line, or has he, because the absence of an
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Speaker 2: Eastern message on the weekend certainly made the news as
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Speaker 2: it should, because these days there's far too much embarrassment
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Speaker 2: about Christian traditions, indeed all the traditions on which our
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Speaker 2: society is based, in favor of acknowledging every tradition but
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Speaker 2: our own. Now eventually we saw something yesterday from the
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Speaker 2: royal family. But more is a response to the outcry
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Speaker 2: from Brits than anything else. Given all the scandals off
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Speaker 2: flicting them at the moment with the former Prince Andrew
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Speaker 2: and Harry and Meghan, you would think they wouldn't be
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Speaker 2: sown so tone deaf, But there you are. But they
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Speaker 2: are not alone. As Alexander Downer pointed out in The
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Speaker 2: Australian Today, whether it's the Christian faith or the monarchy
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Speaker 2: or Australia Day, there's an ambivalence verging on opposition from
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Speaker 2: official Australia. The Prime Minister of for instance, issued a
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Speaker 2: message this year to acknowledge the start of Ramadan, but
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Speaker 2: not one to acknowledge the start of Lent. And yet
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Speaker 2: last year when he needed the Christian vote, he was
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Speaker 2: in and out of churches, wasn't he all the way
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Speaker 2: through the election campaign? As is often lamented, the Albanezier
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Speaker 2: government refuses to fly the national flag unless it's flanked
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Speaker 2: by two indigenous flags, even though there's only one flag,
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Speaker 2: the national flag that represents us all over on our
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Speaker 2: national broadcaster, the ABC, will it can't bring itself to
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Speaker 2: mention the monarchy without reference to the British Crown as
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Speaker 2: if it weren't ours also, and so many local councils
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Speaker 2: around the country and no longer hold citizenship ceremonies on
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Speaker 2: Australian Day or Invasion Day as they prefer to call it.
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Speaker 2: Now it's way past time to be proud of who
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Speaker 2: we are and to honor the traditions that have helped
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Speaker 2: shape modern Australia, a country, as my former boss likes
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Speaker 2: to say, with an indigenous heritage, a British foundation, and
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Speaker 2: an immigrant character built by settlers and all those who
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Speaker 2: have joined us since now. As it happens, many Christian
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Speaker 2: churches here in Australia and around Europe this Easter have
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Speaker 2: reported substantial increases in convert numbers and in church attendances.
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Speaker 2: Down in Port Arlington on the weekend of the Victorian
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Speaker 2: Coast that's where I was. It was literally adding room only,
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Speaker 2: every pew filled, including all the folding chairs out in
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Speaker 2: the foyer as well. So perhaps more of us are
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Speaker 2: comeing to appreciate what's made us, even if the official
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Speaker 2: left establishment wants to pretend otherwise. Thank you to to
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Speaker 2: all the lovely viewers who came up after mess and
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Speaker 2: said Hello, hope you had a lovely easter too. Let's
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Speaker 2: got a cabin out for the headline, Scotti's political reporter
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Speaker 2: Ribbon Sparco.
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Speaker 12: Experts are warning the recovery of global energy markets will
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Speaker 12: be slow even after Iran reopens the Strait of Hormuz.
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Speaker 12: The CEO of Viva Energy what are Australia's primary fuel
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Speaker 12: supplies told the Nine Papers this recovery will have a
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Speaker 12: long tail to it, going on to say it will
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Speaker 12: take some time for those supplies to fully return to
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Speaker 12: our region. There were concerns some Asian nations may prioritize
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Speaker 12: building up domestic stockpiles. The Federal government says it has
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Speaker 12: received assurances exports to Australia we will continue as normal.
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Speaker 12: According to the Energy Minister, supply remains secure through April
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Speaker 12: and into May.
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Speaker 3: There are risks to supply change as long as the
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Speaker 3: straight of Helmer's remains closed. We're not going to overpromise
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Speaker 3: in terms of months ahead. There will be challenges and
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Speaker 3: concerns which will just continue to work through.
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Speaker 12: On prices, motorists are still feeling the strain. New South
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Speaker 12: Wales is charging an average two dollars twenty six a
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Speaker 12: liter for unleaded ninety one. Western Australia's prices are the
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Speaker 12: lowest at two dollars twenty two. Diesel vehicle drivers are
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Speaker 12: suffering the most at the pump in Victoria, where they're
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Speaker 12: paying three dollars eight a liter. The Shadow Energy Minister
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Speaker 12: is lashing the government over rising cost pressures.
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Speaker 4: The alban Easy Labor government handling of this has been
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Speaker 4: like a fecal Jackson Pollock. It's been a mess from
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Speaker 4: the word go. Every time you go to the supermarket,
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Speaker 4: think of alban Easy, think of Bowen, and think of
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Speaker 4: the mess there we've made of this. Every time you
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Speaker 4: have to pay at the checkout field.
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Speaker 12: Demand is up thirty percent this Easter compared to last.
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Speaker 12: The message from the government remains by what you need,
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Speaker 12: no more and no less.
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Speaker 13: All right.
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Speaker 2: Jonnyman Our SKA News political contributor Chris Yelman, Well, Chris,
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Speaker 2: we'll get to political stories at a moment, but this
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Speaker 2: is sort of political because it's all about culture. It's
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Speaker 2: the Easter season. We're just about through it now, but
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Speaker 2: we've seen yet more attempts over Easter to undermine Christian faith. Sadly,
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Speaker 2: I have to say, coming out of the royal family,
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Speaker 2: this time with a king is supposed to be the
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Speaker 2: defender of the faith.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, Peter, will I ask you to cast your mind
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Speaker 13: back to the beginning of Lent when we had a
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Speaker 13: strange convergence. Really it was when we would have the
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Speaker 13: beginning of Ramadan and we had the the Lunar New Year,
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Speaker 13: and we had ash Wednesday, all falling within a couple
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Speaker 13: of days, and the Prime Minister brought out something for
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Speaker 13: New Year, and he brought out something for Ramadan, but
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Speaker 13: said nothing at all about the beginning of the Lenten season.
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Speaker 13: So it doesn't really surprise me that we see this again,
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Speaker 13: but coming out of the palace it does because one
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Speaker 13: of the King's titles, as you've pointed out, is defender
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Speaker 13: of the Faith, and you would think that he would
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Speaker 13: take that seriously. I look back to last year and
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Speaker 13: did see that he did put out an Easter message
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Speaker 13: which came out on Good Friday. So what he's put
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Speaker 13: out now at the very end of Easter would seem
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Speaker 13: to be a patch up job given the reaction that
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Speaker 13: he's got in the UK.
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Speaker 2: Yes, well, hopefully we're ignoring the King on this one, Chris,
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Speaker 2: because as I say, there are reports of bigger than
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Speaker 2: usual attendances at churches around the Western world and of
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Speaker 2: course in France. And I'm told in Australia to a
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Speaker 2: record number of Christians and baptisms over the Easter period.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the fuel issue. It's still dominating the headlines,
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Speaker 2: of course, Chris Bowen today confirming that one in thirty
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Speaker 2: petrol stations stationwide now are out of diesel. But the
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Speaker 2: best I could offer is some tips on your tire pressure.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen, feel free to stick to your plans,
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Speaker 3: go see your family, go and take a break. Also,
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Speaker 3: little things you can do, like checking your tire pressure
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Speaker 3: can make a big difference to your energy efficiency.
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Speaker 2: Mada, I don't want im motoring tips to hear, Chris.
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Speaker 2: I just want a minister who I am confident is
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Speaker 2: on top of a crisis.
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Speaker 13: Well, the government petic can only talk about demand because
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Speaker 13: it can do nothing at all about supply. It's completely
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Speaker 13: a hostage on that front. What we're seeing at the
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Speaker 13: moment is Australia is scrounging around the world to try
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Speaker 13: and saw supplies from wherever it can. There was a
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Speaker 13: really interesting one that appeared on a map of commodities
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Speaker 13: coming to Australia over the course of the last week.
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Speaker 13: It came from the UK. In fact, it didn't come
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Speaker 13: from the UK. The original shipment came out of q
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Speaker 13: eight before the shooting began in the Gulf War, and
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Speaker 13: then made its way up through the Suez Canal. Then
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Speaker 13: it went through a couple of different directions before it
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Speaker 13: went to Southampton where there was a ship to ship
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Speaker 13: transfer and now it's making its way down the west
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Speaker 13: coast of Africa. That shows now that with fuel supplies
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Speaker 13: coming from the other side of the world, that'll be
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Speaker 13: extremely expensive when that fuel arrives here. So yeah, look,
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Speaker 13: the government is now a hostage to fortune, but it's
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Speaker 13: not the sole It doesn't bear sole responsibility for this
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Speaker 13: because the many governments have brought us to this point
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Speaker 13: where we really don't have enough supply of liquid fuels
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Speaker 13: on shore. We're completely hostage to the supplies that we
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Speaker 13: get from overseas sources.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk to the whole issue of recession
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Speaker 2: risk we learned today in terms of energy, so not
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Speaker 2: just fuel, but the energy crisis we've gone in Australia.
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Speaker 2: The number of people are customers on hardship programs is
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Speaker 2: jumped by about a quarter over the past twelve months.
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Speaker 2: We've also seen from Oxford Economics this scenario if the
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Speaker 2: Strait remains disrupted for six months. They say, if that
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Speaker 2: is to happen, we'll see oil it's above two hundred
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Speaker 2: dollars a barrel and global inflation will hit seven point
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Speaker 2: seven percent. Now we are starting way ahead of the
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Speaker 2: rest of the world on inflation, so society that we
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Speaker 2: can avoid a recession if that's where we end up, Chris,
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Speaker 2: I think are pretty slim to nonexistent.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, well, the really disturbing thing, Peter, is that we
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Speaker 13: could be heading to that old nineteen seventy is term stagflation,
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Speaker 13: where we see slowing growth and rising and rising inflation
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Speaker 13: because all of those elements are being cooked around the
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Speaker 13: world at the moment. Because energy underpins the cost of everything,
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Speaker 13: So when you constrain supply, the cost of everything rises.
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Speaker 13: That drives up inflation, but it also slows your economy
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Speaker 13: at the same time when you take the energy sources
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Speaker 13: that you need to run it out of it. So
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Speaker 13: we are in really difficult times. There will be an
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Speaker 13: extremely long tail on this. Don't forget there's been an
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Speaker 13: enormous amount of damage that's been done around that region
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Speaker 13: to the existing infrastructure. So we've seen L and G
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Speaker 13: supplies hit, but we've also seen the places where they're
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Speaker 13: manufactured hit. We've seen oil fields hit, We've seen all
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Speaker 13: sorts of terminals hit in this war. So the longer
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Speaker 13: it goes, the worse it will get and the harder
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Speaker 13: it will be to dig our way out of it
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Speaker 13: once it all settles.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the quarterly analysis of newspul today in
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Speaker 2: the Australian. It shows that one nations now leading both
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Speaker 2: Labor and the Coalition. In Queensland, of course, they've got
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Speaker 2: an L and P state government up there, and elsewhere
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Speaker 2: across the country you've got one nation ahead of the
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Speaker 2: Coalition in every other state bar Victoria. So this is
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Speaker 2: absolutely the trend. It's a worry for Queensland Labor. It's
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Speaker 2: a worry for Queensland L and P of course, but
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Speaker 2: around the country they are absolutely eating the coalition's lunch.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, completely, Peter, and I think you're right. In the
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Speaker 13: long run it will be an issue for the Labor
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Speaker 13: Party and it will drive politics in a different direction
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Speaker 13: over the long term. But in the short term and
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Speaker 13: in the medium term it's an extinction level event for
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Speaker 13: the coalition. They are now fighting for their survival. I
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Speaker 13: think that the only thing that we'll see in the
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Speaker 13: by election in Pharaoh that's coming up is that the
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Speaker 13: Liberals will decide whether or not it's the Country tier
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Speaker 13: or the One Nation candidate that gets elected. They won't
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Speaker 13: be in the running there. And of course you'll be
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Speaker 13: very aware of the fact that we're facing an election
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Speaker 13: in Victoria this year. The Allen government by any measure,
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Speaker 13: should be drummed out of office. I think the population
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Speaker 13: down there is desperate to get rid of it. But
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Speaker 13: we've seen again evidence that the Liberal Party down there
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Speaker 13: is not seen as competent already to rule and one
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Speaker 13: Nation is breathing down its neck. So again we could
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Speaker 13: see a South Australian scenario where the Conservative vote fractures
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Speaker 13: and the effect is that it elects a labor government.
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Speaker 13: So the real issue at the moment is whether or
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Speaker 13: not the Liberal Party survives.
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Speaker 2: A lot of this has been put down Chris to
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Speaker 2: economic decline and people feeling left behind. So this is
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Speaker 2: the it's the working class that have been hit hard,
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Speaker 2: of course with cost of living, but it's you know,
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Speaker 2: twenty or thirty years of all this globalization talk. You know, globalization,
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Speaker 2: free trade will be fantastic for you, but then your
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Speaker 2: job goes out the back door. The things that we
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Speaker 2: used to make here in Australia that employed people that
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Speaker 2: didn't go to the university, we're no longer making it.
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Speaker 2: We can't afford the energy to make now. This is
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Speaker 2: before we even factor in AI. When that hits, it
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Speaker 2: won't just hit the working class. It will take out
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Speaker 2: what i'd call the thinking class, you know, that middle
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Speaker 2: class bank of jobs, UNI students who won't get their
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Speaker 2: foot on the graduate ladder and more. This will radically
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Speaker 2: reshape politics in the West.
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Speaker 13: I don't think it's too much to say that we're
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Speaker 13: in an inflection point on a number of different fronts
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Speaker 13: and you've just run through some of them.
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Speaker 3: There.
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Speaker 13: We all signed up to the Liberal project, which was
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Speaker 13: that a world where we had protected supply chains, just
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Speaker 13: in time delivery, where all the goods basically went to
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Speaker 13: where they could be produced cheapest and we shipped back here.
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Speaker 13: It seemed like a good idea at the time, but
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Speaker 13: all we did was managed to make China the industrial
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Speaker 13: superpower in the world. It now manufactures just about everything,
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Speaker 13: and it has a chokehold over the supply chains of
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Speaker 13: just about everything. It's been preparing for war by the way,
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Speaker 13: so it's stockpiles of oil and gas coal. They're all
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Speaker 13: pretty good at the moment, as it watched the inventories
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Speaker 13: of the United States run down in another war in
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Speaker 13: the Middle East. And again on top of that, you
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Speaker 13: what AI may well do to our communities. So it's
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Speaker 13: now we really desperately need really really good leadership, and
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Speaker 13: there seems to be a complete vacuum of it on
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Speaker 13: both sides of politics. You can understand now while people
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Speaker 13: are feeling a drift that they've gone off in search
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Speaker 13: of something else, anything else, because they don't see what's
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Speaker 13: on offer as being viable.
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Speaker 2: Hull over there, Thank you, Chris. A bit later in
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Speaker 2: the show too, I'm going to speak to a professor
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Speaker 2: of AI, one of Australia's best experts, on what the
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Speaker 2: government is and isn't doing to prepare us for artificial intelligence.
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Speaker 2: But now to the conflict, the latest out of the
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Speaker 2: Middle East and that extraordinary statement from you as president
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Speaker 2: overnight in which he claimed Tuesday would be power plant
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Speaker 2: day and bridge day, calling the Iranians crazy. I don't
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Speaker 2: think I could say that word on air, and then
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Speaker 2: a line where he referenced Allah. Now unconventional language for
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Speaker 2: a president, absolutely, but not a surprise from someone who's
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Speaker 2: made being unpredictable an art form. Joining me now, Sky
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Speaker 2: News Australia defense analyst Peter Jennings, Well, look there's a
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Speaker 2: bit there at six o'clock I probably can't put to air,
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Speaker 2: but he certainly woke up the world with that message
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Speaker 2: out really pushing hard on Iran, and critics will say
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Speaker 2: this is brash, Peter, I get that. But the same
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Speaker 2: time as we go to air, we've got AX in
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Speaker 2: the US reporting there is possibility there is a possibility
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Speaker 2: of a forty five day cease fire. Give me your
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Speaker 2: expert analysis on what's been an extraordinary twenty four hours.
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Speaker 14: So, Peter, I think I'm going to be in competition
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Speaker 14: with Chris Ellmand for depressing your viewers. I think the
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Speaker 14: President is looking rattled in that statement. I don't think
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Speaker 14: it's smart for him to be conducting this diplomacy across
20:27
Speaker 14: truth social and it may give the Iranians courage to
20:32
Speaker 14: think that they can just hold out that little bit longer.
20:36
Speaker 14: On the other hand, the forty five days truce again
20:40
Speaker 14: strikes me as an Iranian stalling tactic. The Americans are
20:45
Speaker 14: at a great distance from home on very long logistics
20:48
Speaker 14: supply routes. They're being asked to just wait for forty
20:52
Speaker 14: five days while the Iranians reconstitute, get missiles out from
20:57
Speaker 14: tunnel's fixed launchers, and come back stronger. I don't think
21:02
Speaker 14: it actually suits any military strategy for there to be
21:06
Speaker 14: a forty five day pause unless it's connected to an
21:10
Speaker 14: Iranian capitulation which says we're now going to allow traffic
21:15
Speaker 14: through the straits of homes and stop a nuclear program,
21:19
Speaker 14: plus all the other objectives that Trump has initially outlined.
21:24
Speaker 14: So to me, the combination of things we've seen over
21:26
Speaker 14: the last twenty four hours just shows that there's a
21:28
Speaker 14: certain amount of confusion in the Oval Office as to
21:31
Speaker 14: what the strategy should be. And my question is, what's
21:35
Speaker 14: the military plan, Peter, what is the American strategy for
21:38
Speaker 14: victory at this point in the conflict?
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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, he's had some high profile resignations or departures
21:45
Speaker 2: that they've been fired. I don't think they've resigned. You
21:48
Speaker 2: know that the high Affairs Secretary, the Attorney General, there
21:53
Speaker 2: was a departure of a senior general in the Department
21:57
Speaker 2: of War. You argue, rattled, of course, we know we've
22:01
Speaker 2: got the midterms in November. We're a long way still
22:04
Speaker 2: from November. What's driving this reaction, to think, is just
22:08
Speaker 2: domestic politics or has he had enough of other leaders
22:11
Speaker 2: around the world, particularly Europe. I mean, they need the
22:14
Speaker 2: oil coming out of the Strait more than the United
22:16
Speaker 2: States does, but they're not prepared to do any heavy lifting.
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Speaker 14: Well, the European response has been particularly disappointing. You know,
22:25
Speaker 14: they may not like the fact that they're in this conflict,
22:28
Speaker 14: but by golly, they sure have a strategic interest to
22:30
Speaker 14: try and assist the United States now, just as Australia
22:34
Speaker 14: and a number of Asian countries to as well. Peter
22:37
Speaker 14: and I think being critical and sort of leaning back
22:41
Speaker 14: is not the right strategy for the Europeans. I think
22:44
Speaker 14: in President Trump's case, he's been perhaps surprised that the
22:48
Speaker 14: Iranians have put up more of a fight, that they've
22:50
Speaker 14: turned out to be a much tougher target than some
22:52
Speaker 14: of the much more limited military operations that Trump took
22:57
Speaker 14: success from over the course of the last year. But
23:01
Speaker 14: really the message here is once you're inified, you've got
23:03
Speaker 14: to stick with it. If the Americans now simply withdraw
23:08
Speaker 14: and say that's the end of it, the Europeans have
23:09
Speaker 14: to look after the straits, that that will be seen
23:12
Speaker 14: rightly as a defeat. On the other hand, I think
23:15
Speaker 14: the Iranians, you know, we don't really have a clear
23:18
Speaker 14: sense about how close are they potentially to capitulation. They've
23:21
Speaker 14: taken a fearful pounding over the last six weeks or so,
23:26
Speaker 14: so from a military perspective, I think it's a case
23:29
Speaker 14: of keep come and carry on. The military plan continues
23:32
Speaker 14: to unfold. It's a very different thing from the girations
23:35
Speaker 14: we get out of truth social from the overal offers,
23:39
Speaker 14: and I think they just need to stick to their
23:41
Speaker 14: plan for the foreseeable future.
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Speaker 2: That's the best. With you, Jennings up one hundred percent
23:46
Speaker 2: with you. I'm one hundred percent with you. Sorry, that's
23:49
Speaker 2: bit of a delay tonight. I'm one hundred percent with
23:51
Speaker 2: you on finishing the job. Let's go to that extraordinary rescue.
23:55
Speaker 2: I've watched it play out over a number of days.
23:58
Speaker 2: I've tried to follow it as close as I can.
24:00
Speaker 2: I was so fearful for that wounded USM and when
24:04
Speaker 2: he came down in Iran, and what might come of
24:07
Speaker 2: him if he'd been picked up by the Iranians. I
24:10
Speaker 2: fear it would have been a horrific sort of show execution.
24:14
Speaker 2: He has been recovered. He has been recovered, we're told
24:18
Speaker 2: by the Israelis, their special forces, and in part the Americans.
24:21
Speaker 2: But you'll tell me more. He climbed some seven thousand feet,
24:26
Speaker 2: I'm told, and was hiding on a cliff edge. He
24:30
Speaker 2: radioed for help, and help found him. Talk us through
24:33
Speaker 2: what you know.
24:36
Speaker 14: Well, it's the miracle that happens when you've got some
24:41
Speaker 14: highly capable special forces operating on your behalf. And I
24:44
Speaker 14: think it is a tremendous outcome. It's costly. The Americans
24:49
Speaker 14: lost six aircraft over the course of this too that
24:51
Speaker 14: were shot down and four that were destroyed on the
24:54
Speaker 14: ground in order to prevent them from falling into Iranian hands.
24:58
Speaker 14: But I think it is immense important for American pilots
25:02
Speaker 14: and crew operating over Iran to know that if they're
25:06
Speaker 14: shot down, the special forces is going to come after
25:09
Speaker 14: them to rescue them, come what may. And I think
25:12
Speaker 14: that's a very positive outcome. It is, by the way,
25:16
Speaker 14: what Australian Special Forces trained to do with the American
25:19
Speaker 14: Special Forces, and we've worked with these units very closely
25:22
Speaker 14: and exercises over the years. So you know, a tremendous
25:27
Speaker 14: feat of arms which came at a hefty cost of
25:32
Speaker 14: the loss of those aircraft, but a great outcome in
25:35
Speaker 14: the rescue of that pilot.
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Speaker 2: I agree with that. I lave it there. Thank you,
25:40
Speaker 2: Petter Jennings. Well, just a bit of an update before
25:42
Speaker 2: the break. This is the Victorian Upper House pre selection
25:45
Speaker 2: involving the Liberal MP Moiradeemi. Well, it's been an unedifying
25:49
Speaker 2: ten days of internal chaos, but I can confirm yesterday
25:53
Speaker 2: the Victorian the Party President Phil Davis issued this email
25:57
Speaker 2: officially confirming that Moiradeemi was now duly elected and endorsed
26:02
Speaker 2: by the Liberal Party at the top of their ticket
26:05
Speaker 2: for the Western metro region. And such is his antipathy
26:10
Speaker 2: for deeming that the President Phil Davis could not even
26:14
Speaker 2: bring himself to use her name in the email. Have
26:18
Speaker 2: a look at this, it's on the screen for you.
26:20
Speaker 2: I mean, how petty is that from a bloke in
26:24
Speaker 2: his seventies, doesn't matter, though Deeming is in and very
26:28
Speaker 2: likely Davis will soon be out after one too many
26:33
Speaker 2: stuff ups. Right coming up, a controversial Islamic speaker who's
26:38
Speaker 2: previously accused Jews of being puppeteers for global unrest is
26:42
Speaker 2: just the latest hater that Labour's been shamed into showing
26:46
Speaker 2: the door. But how was he granted the visa in
26:48
Speaker 2: the first place, And if it wasn't for the media,
26:50
Speaker 2: tell you what, he would still be here. That's next,
26:57
Speaker 2: Occo bag moron. That second Islamus tape preacher who shouldn't
27:01
Speaker 2: have been in Australia but was now on his way
27:04
Speaker 2: out the door. We'll get to that in a moment.
27:05
Speaker 2: But now to increasing concerns around artificial intelligence. Now a
27:10
Speaker 2: federal government with its blinkers on, we know that AI
27:13
Speaker 2: is starting to blur the lines when it comes to
27:15
Speaker 2: truth and threatens to upend skilled and not so skilled
27:19
Speaker 2: jobs in Australia and globally. But man to tech companies
27:22
Speaker 2: are also being caught out for not doing enough to
27:24
Speaker 2: protect users from fraud and misinformation as AI generated videos
27:29
Speaker 2: become more prevalent. University of New South Wales AI Institute
27:33
Speaker 2: Chief Professor Toby Walsh says the albani'ser governments also failing
27:37
Speaker 2: to stay ahead of the curve when it comes to
27:39
Speaker 2: just how big this issue is likely to become. The
27:43
Speaker 2: professor joins me. Now, Professor Walsh, thank you for coming
27:47
Speaker 2: on the program. We talk a lot about the economic
27:50
Speaker 2: disruption that will come of AI. Many many years ago,
27:54
Speaker 2: I worked for the federal Communications Minister and he tried
27:57
Speaker 2: at the time, this is Richard Alston's what's some regulation
28:01
Speaker 2: around the arrival of the Internet. Well, when he tried
28:04
Speaker 2: to do that, he was lampooned as some sort of luddite.
28:08
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, twenty five years on, he's been
28:11
Speaker 2: proven to be right. You do need to regulate these spaces.
28:14
Speaker 2: It doesn't appear to me, though, that we're doing enough
28:18
Speaker 2: federally to deal with AI before it becomes absolutely ubiquitous.
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Speaker 15: I think you one hundred percent roight. We didn't learn
28:27
Speaker 15: lessons from the Internet, we didn't learn lessons from social media,
28:30
Speaker 15: and we're about to repeat it again with I think
28:32
Speaker 15: actually what's probably to be a much more powerful persuasive
28:35
Speaker 15: technology that's entering into our lives, and along with the
28:39
Speaker 15: immense benefits it brings, the productivity gains, the improvement to healthcare,
28:44
Speaker 15: the improvement to education. He's going to carry some immense
28:47
Speaker 15: risks and if we don't do anything to prevent that,
28:51
Speaker 15: I'm sure I'm going to be back on your program
28:52
Speaker 15: in a couple of years time, saying, oh dear, what
28:54
Speaker 15: happened to Australia's youth again, we've sacrificed them to the
29:00
Speaker 15: pillar of big tech.
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Speaker 2: When I've talked about II before with someone like Dick Smith,
29:06
Speaker 2: and he understands technology, he's been talking about II for
29:11
Speaker 2: some time. He says it will have an impact Peter
29:13
Speaker 2: on the workforce. That will be like the Industrial revolution
29:17
Speaker 2: on steroids. He says, we're asleep at the wheel. How
29:21
Speaker 2: true is that when you look around the world at
29:24
Speaker 2: what other economies are doing.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, it's very true. We are asleep at the world.
29:28
Speaker 15: We're not making the scales of investment. We're not preparing
29:31
Speaker 15: workers for the disruption it's going to cause. I think
29:35
Speaker 15: likely the dust revolution. It's going to change exactly everything
29:38
Speaker 15: that we do in work, but unlikely dust revolution. It's
29:41
Speaker 15: going to happen much quicker. It's happening overnight, it's not
29:43
Speaker 15: happening over the decades. The fifty odd years that the
29:46
Speaker 15: indust revolution took to unfold. This is happening as we speak,
29:51
Speaker 15: and we're already starting to hear job cuts. We are
29:53
Speaker 15: starting to hear. You know, it's the most common question
29:55
Speaker 15: I get from people is you know, what can I
29:57
Speaker 15: do to make myself a proof and most of boarding
30:00
Speaker 15: walk my children to make themselves have jobs in the future.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I've worked in government a long time and
30:07
Speaker 2: I know that the public servants are not across all
30:11
Speaker 2: the immediate trends that we're seeing in business. You know,
30:14
Speaker 2: they're basically implementing policy that politicians have taken to elections.
30:18
Speaker 2: Politicians don't have the time to be the experts that
30:21
Speaker 2: you and your team are. If you are the experts,
30:25
Speaker 2: why don't you have a seat around the table. Why
30:27
Speaker 2: aren't you helping to shape policy? Well that's a great question.
30:31
Speaker 15: I mean, there was a temporary expert group and I
30:34
Speaker 15: was on it, helping to advise the government what the
30:37
Speaker 15: opportunities is, what were the challenges that we need to
30:39
Speaker 15: think about. We've been disbanded and the government's made it
30:41
Speaker 15: clear that it's not going to take any independent expert device. Unfortunately,
30:45
Speaker 15: we have solved Earlier this week, the government signed an
30:47
Speaker 15: mu with Anthropic One are the leading tech companies. Fantastic
30:51
Speaker 15: that they're talking to some of the leading tech companies,
30:53
Speaker 15: but equally they've got lots of vested interests. You know,
30:56
Speaker 15: you're going to get independent expert advice from one of
30:59
Speaker 15: the largest tech giants, you're going to get it from
31:00
Speaker 15: people like myself. So it's very very disappointing that we
31:03
Speaker 15: were providing free advice to the government and they decided
31:07
Speaker 15: they don't want it.
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Speaker 2: Did they give you a reason why that? If goodness me,
31:12
Speaker 2: if you're giving a free advice to the government and
31:14
Speaker 2: you're an expert, and you wanted or were willing to
31:17
Speaker 2: keep doing that, why on earth would they say no?
31:20
Speaker 15: Indeed, why would they say no? I mean, what's going
31:22
Speaker 15: to happen now is I'm going to offer that advice
31:24
Speaker 15: not in private, but I'm going to put it in
31:26
Speaker 15: public or shows like you knows, they're going to be
31:28
Speaker 15: very vocal as to you know, what they need to do,
31:31
Speaker 15: how we don't repeat the mistakes of social media. I
31:34
Speaker 15: just thought it'd be better to take that advice in private.
31:36
Speaker 15: But anyway they'll choose that.
31:39
Speaker 2: Someone said to me, you tell me that this is right.
31:41
Speaker 2: Someone said to me, Peter, think of the right brothers
31:44
Speaker 2: in the paddock with that plane. And then seventy years
31:47
Speaker 2: later man was on the move. Think of the change
31:50
Speaker 2: in aviation in that seven decade period. This person said,
31:53
Speaker 2: we are doing that in AI every few months. It
31:57
Speaker 2: is changing so exponentially. We in the industry can't keep up.
32:02
Speaker 2: We're way ahead of regulation. And he said, to be honest,
32:05
Speaker 2: most of us have got no idea where this is
32:07
Speaker 2: going to go. We are grappling our human minds to
32:10
Speaker 2: stay at pace with this change. If that's fear, then
32:16
Speaker 2: surely this now becomes a huge matter of policy urgency.
32:22
Speaker 15: One hundred percent. You know, the thing that's stagnated in
32:25
Speaker 15: Australia is our productivity. Here is something that has the
32:28
Speaker 15: potential to help us actually get that product tivity that
32:32
Speaker 15: we desperately need so that we can actually grow our economy,
32:35
Speaker 15: that we can cut our taxes. And yet the government
32:38
Speaker 15: is sitting on its hands, is doing very little to
32:42
Speaker 15: seize the opportunity and actually to protect us from the
32:45
Speaker 15: obvious arms. I mean, we had harms in the dust Revolution,
32:47
Speaker 15: We'll have harms in this. You know, the next indust
32:50
Speaker 15: revolution that we see here. So there's much to be
32:53
Speaker 15: done and a government that doesn't take action very quickly.
32:58
Speaker 2: Is there anyone around the world, Toby, that is doing
33:00
Speaker 2: this well that we could look to and learn from.
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Speaker 15: Well, the country that's probably leading in terms of regulation
33:08
Speaker 15: is is Europe. There's the EUAI Act, the first general
33:11
Speaker 15: purpose piece of AUR regulation. But actually, and it's perhaps
33:15
Speaker 15: rather surprised to tell you, it's probably the country that's
33:17
Speaker 15: leading the way is China. They've been regulating AI much
33:22
Speaker 15: more seriously than almost any other country. In China, you know,
33:25
Speaker 15: you can't go if you're if you're under eighteen, you
33:28
Speaker 15: could only have one hour of gaming every evening, not
33:31
Speaker 15: on school days. There's limits to the amount of internet
33:33
Speaker 15: you can use. The Chinese have been much more thorough
33:36
Speaker 15: in their regulation than almost any other country on the planet.
33:41
Speaker 2: It's nice to talk to you, an expert about something
33:43
Speaker 2: that I think is going to dominate our lives for
33:45
Speaker 2: decades to come. Well beyond that, I'm sure too. Thank
33:49
Speaker 2: you for joining me. I think I'm going to talk
33:50
Speaker 2: to a fairbe here, Professor Toby Walsh, thank you for
33:53
Speaker 2: your time. Now, after the break, yet another Islamic preacher
33:57
Speaker 2: visa canceled, So why are they getting them though in
34:00
Speaker 2: the first place? Okay, back coming out the NDA s
34:08
Speaker 2: roughts with new data showing the worst of it is
34:11
Speaker 2: in labor seats in their heart land. But first, yet
34:14
Speaker 2: another Islamic hate preacher was set to begin a speaking
34:18
Speaker 2: to of Islamic institutions here in Australia. This time it's
34:22
Speaker 2: the Bengali man Sheik Amadala, who in previous sermons as
34:26
Speaker 2: labeled Jews is despicable and pappeteers for global unrest the.
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Speaker 16: Busby now thankfully, late last night it was revealed that
34:56
Speaker 16: his visa has been canceled and the speaking to her axe.
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Speaker 2: But why and earth was he approved in the first place.
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Speaker 2: Joining out to discuss this former AFP Detective Superintendent David Craig,
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Speaker 2: Well David. Last week we discussed another preacher, mister Azhari,
35:13
Speaker 2: who also had a history of extremist and anti Semitic views.
35:16
Speaker 2: He's been terfed this floke though he got into Australia also,
35:21
Speaker 2: and only because of the media we know about him.
35:25
Speaker 2: Here is the Assistant Minister Labor Minister about Thistleweight when
35:29
Speaker 2: asked about it yesterday.
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Speaker 17: We've got no tolerance whatsoever for people who espouse anti
35:35
Speaker 17: Semitic or Islamophobic views. And there's powers within the Migration
35:39
Speaker 17: Act for us to deny visas not used in this
35:42
Speaker 17: case we have been There was another individual who came
35:46
Speaker 17: on a visitors visa last week from Bangladesh to speak
35:48
Speaker 17: at the same conference. When we became aware of his comments,
35:52
Speaker 17: we canceled his.
35:53
Speaker 2: Visa might be canceled.
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Speaker 17: Well, I'll have a look at this case today and
35:57
Speaker 17: if the powers are appropriate that we can use them
36:01
Speaker 17: in the Migration Act.
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Speaker 2: Well, first off, look how quickly he threw in Islamophobia
36:08
Speaker 2: when we were talking about anti Semitism and hate preachers,
36:11
Speaker 2: and the two examples on the table are anti Semitic,
36:15
Speaker 2: hate preachers, nothing to do with Islamophobia. Labor can't help themselves.
36:19
Speaker 2: But he talks about Oh, when we knew about this
36:22
Speaker 2: first bloke, we canceled his visa. Well, mate, you only
36:24
Speaker 2: knew about him because the Opposition raised it in the Parliament.
36:27
Speaker 2: And in the second case, you only know about it
36:30
Speaker 2: because of the media. Who's not doing their job in
36:34
Speaker 2: the government.
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Speaker 5: David, Well, it's clearly Home Affairs. I mean the o
36:38
Speaker 5: Benezy government has dropped the ball. I mean, that was
36:40
Speaker 5: I have to say, one of the most pathetic responses
36:43
Speaker 5: I've ever seen a politician give to an actual nuts
36:46
Speaker 5: and bolts question. I mean, realistically, what we've got here
36:49
Speaker 5: now is within a week the second radical Islamic preacher
36:53
Speaker 5: has been booted out of the country, or this one
36:56
Speaker 5: left voluntarily, but not by instigation of the government. It's
36:59
Speaker 5: got nothing to with Home affairs or our borders. In
37:02
Speaker 5: my opinion, what we've got now is a revolving door
37:05
Speaker 5: of radical Islamic and anti Semitic people coming to Australia
37:10
Speaker 5: to preach this hatred, and the government Home Affairs Border
37:13
Speaker 5: Security are not even doing so much as a basic
37:17
Speaker 5: Google search to find out some sort of character behind
37:20
Speaker 5: these people that are coming here. And we're talking about
37:22
Speaker 5: trying to increase social cohesion, what we're doing. These people
37:26
Speaker 5: have got social and religious leadership positions in the community
37:29
Speaker 5: when they come out, and our government is turning a
37:32
Speaker 5: blinked blind eye to their appearance.
37:36
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you, urgently, if you're there now, do some sort
37:39
Speaker 2: of search across everyone who has got a pending visa
37:42
Speaker 2: so on their way to Australia, or have only just
37:46
Speaker 2: arrived for anything to do with Islamic events, anything to
37:49
Speaker 2: do with We know some of the names of the centers,
37:52
Speaker 2: you and I both know them. Well, you go in
37:55
Speaker 2: deep and see who's in the country, what sort of
37:57
Speaker 2: background they are, and get ahead of it before the
37:59
Speaker 2: media or the opposition forces on you.
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Speaker 5: Again of course, of course, because what we are doing
38:05
Speaker 5: here is the government is just playing reactive politics. Now
38:09
Speaker 5: with terrorism, you can't be reactive. You need to be proactive,
38:12
Speaker 5: and you would think that with the leading edge, and
38:14
Speaker 5: we have got enough powers in the Migration Act to
38:16
Speaker 5: deal with this. What we need to do is just
38:19
Speaker 5: pretty proactive and look ahead and like you said, get
38:22
Speaker 5: ahead of this. I made the point last week Peter
38:26
Speaker 5: about that this Darwa, the Islamic practice in Darwa circle
38:31
Speaker 5: who was associated with Ashari was different to the one
38:35
Speaker 5: that Wissam Hahdad was involved with, because I don't think
38:37
Speaker 5: what we should take them all. But then within a
38:40
Speaker 5: week we have this same Islamic practice and Darwa circle
38:43
Speaker 5: associated with a hate speech person again, so now this
38:48
Speaker 5: group needs to be looked at as well, because are
38:50
Speaker 5: they doing the same as the Almadina Darwa.
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Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned Wishada there he ran the Al Madina
38:58
Speaker 2: Dawis Center in Western Sydney that was shut down in January.
39:02
Speaker 2: But the nine Papers have revealed that the controversial prayer
39:04
Speaker 2: Whole Prayer Hall was subject to numerous complaints to the
39:08
Speaker 2: Council going back a couple of years, first in twenty
39:11
Speaker 2: twenty three that they were breaching the rules in relation
39:14
Speaker 2: to operating a place of worship and running a Saturday
39:17
Speaker 2: school when they should not have been when they were
39:19
Speaker 2: not licensed to. How can people raise alarms and for
39:24
Speaker 2: two years nothing gets done. Two years, I might add,
39:28
Speaker 2: two years which antisemitism in this country was climbing and
39:32
Speaker 2: reaching epidemic proportions.
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Speaker 5: Well, we're just not taking seriously. I noticed that the
39:37
Speaker 5: Council actually launched an investigation so to speak, and they
39:41
Speaker 5: sent an investigator so to speak to the Darwi Center
39:46
Speaker 5: on a Friday and didn't notice any congregation. I mean,
39:49
Speaker 5: if you can't see Muslims at a mosque on a Friday,
39:52
Speaker 5: then you're not going to be able to track a
39:54
Speaker 5: bleeding elephant through the snow. I mean this is where
39:57
Speaker 5: just grassroots investigated now smatters putting something on the shelf
40:03
Speaker 5: saying that oh, there's nothing to see here, these little
40:06
Speaker 5: bits of jigsaws of information need to fill in the
40:08
Speaker 5: whole picture. And whoever that investigator was drop the ball
40:11
Speaker 5: big time. I hope they know who they are.
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Speaker 2: I love that you're so plain speaking, David. I really
40:17
Speaker 2: wish and I know my viewers do that you're back
40:19
Speaker 2: in the uniform, back in the AFP where I think
40:23
Speaker 2: they need a bit of a shakeup. But who knows
40:25
Speaker 2: you could be put back into service. Thank you for
40:27
Speaker 2: your time, David Craig, all right, coming out fresh concerns
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Speaker 2: about the state of the NDIS and claims about the
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Speaker 2: growth of the program in outer suburban areas where there's
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Speaker 2: lacking regultory oversight and risk of wroughting abounds. Look, fresh
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Speaker 2: concerns tonight that the NDIS is completely off the rails,
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Speaker 2: new reportings suggesting that seats in the labor heartland and
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Speaker 2: our home to some of the biggest fraud risks in
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Speaker 2: the sister joining me now, so your fellow at the
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Speaker 2: Mensies Research Center, Nick Cator, and One Nation Chief of
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Speaker 2: Staff James Ashby. Well, we're talking here about the most
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Speaker 2: expensive federal program on the books, but the wheels are
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Speaker 2: falling off the system.
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Speaker 4: Wasn't set up to be designed to take on board
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Speaker 4: means testing. The idea was it was set up to
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Speaker 4: help those that profoundly disabled.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's the liberal there, Dan teen. He says, it
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Speaker 2: wasn't designed to be means tested or capped. Fine, but
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Speaker 2: then they've got to reform it. They've got to change
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Speaker 2: the design, James. They've got to radically rethink this thing.
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Speaker 2: They can't just tinker around the edges.
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Speaker 18: Well, the problem is, once upon a time, people used
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Speaker 18: to pull on a ballet clava and take a gun
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Speaker 18: into a bank if they wanted to rob something. These
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Speaker 18: days you just need an NDIS. Provide a number and
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Speaker 18: your set. You can rob it blind. And we're talking
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Speaker 18: tens of billions of dollars that have just been pittled
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Speaker 18: up against a wall. It's taken a couple of teenagers
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Speaker 18: by the name of Pete and Drew that have shone
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Speaker 18: more of a light on this than any politician other
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Speaker 18: than Pauline Hanson I know. Since twenty sixteen, we've been
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Speaker 18: in that Parliament saying we've got to have accountability. Within
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Speaker 18: the next eight years, the NDIS is going to double
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Speaker 18: from fifty billion dollars to one hundred, it's going to
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Speaker 18: break the bank and unless we means tests. I know
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Speaker 18: Pauline's been out there today saying that we really do
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Speaker 18: need to take a good hard look at who can
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Speaker 18: be recipients, what sort of funding is made available to
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Speaker 18: people with different ailments. It was designed to look after
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Speaker 18: people who are seriously crippled or injured and make sure
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Speaker 18: that they've got a decent standard of living, not send
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Speaker 18: them on cruises every six months on p and O
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Speaker 18: and trips around the world. It's wasted and the Australian
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Speaker 18: tax player has had a gut full, particularly when they
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Speaker 18: see kids in classrooms. You know, the highest number of
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Speaker 18: these people getting ndis now a young boys and I
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Speaker 18: feel terribly sorry that they've been cast to one side
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Speaker 18: here because you know, as soon as they're diagnosed and
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Speaker 18: they're put on the ndis in effect we are somewhat
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Speaker 18: throwing on a scrap heap. It's not good.
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Speaker 2: It was supposed to be Nick and he's absolutely right,
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Speaker 2: James's right for the most profoundly disabled, and I think
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Speaker 2: we'd all say you can't do enough for people in
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Speaker 2: that situation, but that's not what's happening now, and we
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Speaker 2: spend more on the NDIS by a significant quantum for
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Speaker 2: eight hundred thousand people than we do on Medicare, which
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Speaker 2: is all twenty seven million of us. This can't keep
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Speaker 2: going on.
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Speaker 6: No can't. The NDAs is working very well in some areas.
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Speaker 6: I've seen some very creative and helpful ends programs in
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Speaker 6: action across Sydney. But the problem is it was designed
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Speaker 6: in a rush. Peter, you know what it's like. If
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Speaker 6: you come up with policy in a rush, you don't
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Speaker 6: all the variables, you don't think about the second order consequences.
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Speaker 6: It was designed in a rush so that Gillard could
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Speaker 6: end her terming government with something under her belt. And
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Speaker 6: it is just a very very badly designed scheme. You
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Speaker 6: need to go back to the drawing board. You need
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Speaker 6: to redesign it from the bottom up. And frankly, you know,
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Speaker 6: with so many people involved, including the state governments, I
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Speaker 6: think it's going to be a very very hard piece
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Speaker 6: of reform to do. If anybody's game enough to take
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Speaker 6: it on.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the fuel crisis. We've got one in
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Speaker 2: thirty bowsers that have run dry. We've got Chris Bowen
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Speaker 2: telling us calm down, don't worry just fix your tire
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Speaker 2: pressure and we find out in yourself Wales, James, there's
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Speaker 2: just twenty fuel inspectors to run across the state and
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Speaker 2: ensure that petrol stations are not gouging consumers.
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Speaker 18: I feel very sorry for some of these petrol stations.
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Speaker 18: I'll give you one bit of advice, Peter. When they
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Speaker 18: introduce that excise freeze on fifty percent or the cut
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Speaker 18: of fifty percent. I know for one servo here in
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Speaker 18: yr Pun, he told me he got a load the
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Speaker 18: day before. He paid full price on the excise and
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Speaker 18: he lost nineteen thousand dollars that very next day because
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Speaker 18: the expectation from the government was that excise cut had
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Speaker 18: to be passed on immediately. Meanwhile, he's left holding the
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Speaker 18: can for half the excise that he'd already paid for
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Speaker 18: the day before. So that needs to be considered. Motorists
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Speaker 18: need to understand the smaller the survey with the less turnover,
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Speaker 18: Obviously that fuel in those bowsers is going to come
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Speaker 18: at a greater cost. But yeah, look, the savings should
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Speaker 18: be passed on. There shouldn't be gouging of any motorists
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Speaker 18: out there. It's tough enough without servos. Really sinking the
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Speaker 18: boot into everyday ordinary Aussies.
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Speaker 2: Nick, that latest news poll one nation is ahead of
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Speaker 2: both Labor and the Coalition in Queensland, and one nation
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Speaker 2: is ahead of the Coalition everywhere else in the country
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Speaker 2: other than Victoria. We saw in Victoria. Finally that we
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Speaker 2: get a result where a Deemi has been pre selected
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Speaker 2: and she's now formally endorsed. But it was a terrible,
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Speaker 2: terrible internal sort of crisis to get there. On the weekend,
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Speaker 2: give me your thoughts on things for the poor old
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Speaker 2: Coalition at the moment.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think it was one of the most interesting
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Speaker 6: quarterly news polls ever seen. And yes, of course it's
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Speaker 6: bad for the curlation. We knew it was bad for
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Speaker 6: the coalition, but I think it also points to how
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Speaker 6: bad this is for Labor, particularly in Queensland. As you say,
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Speaker 6: where one nation is top, you know they're ahead of
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Speaker 6: Labor on votes at the moment. Look, I think the
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Speaker 6: Coalition's job to recover is a long one and a
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Speaker 6: difficult one, and it won't be done quickly. It has
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Speaker 6: to have to win back the confidence of each voter
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Speaker 6: one at a time. That's Angus Taylor's job to do,
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Speaker 6: and it's a big job and less hope he can
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Speaker 6: do it. But where this goes for our politics in general,
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Speaker 6: it's the end of the two party system, that's for sure.
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Speaker 6: We're never going to go back to that, I think,
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Speaker 6: and so our system has to find some way to
47:09
Speaker 6: cope with this. You know that there are more more
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Speaker 6: conservative voters out there than labor or green voters on
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Speaker 6: this polling, but whether that can translate into getting government
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Speaker 6: back in conservative hands, because it's the big challenge and
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Speaker 6: I don't dare to try and answer that tonight.
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Speaker 2: I guess unlike the UK and the US already gone
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Speaker 2: down this road, we have a preferential system where you
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Speaker 2: can get the perverse outcome, where the aggregate vote on
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Speaker 2: the day can be more aligned with the conservative side.
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Speaker 2: But the way the preferences go, you can put labor
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Speaker 2: back in power or someone else from the left. I'm
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Speaker 2: going to head up to Farrer on the weekend, James,
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Speaker 2: I want your take on that so called independent Millthorpe.
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Speaker 2: She's run before, she's running again. I noticed today there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of Teal money, Teal support to climb at
47:58
Speaker 2: two hundred of push and grunt behind her, but she
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Speaker 2: says she's independent.
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Speaker 18: No, she's far from independent. And you only have to
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Speaker 18: trace back where she's getting money from. It's all coming
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Speaker 18: from the city, whereas at least David Farley, our candidate
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Speaker 18: for One Nation, his donations have come from people who
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Speaker 18: live in that seat. I think will be quite shocked
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Speaker 18: when it's revealed how many millions of dollars this teal
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Speaker 18: has spent, how many favors she's going to have to
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Speaker 18: return to some of these donors. But she is not
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Speaker 18: somebody who stands for those traditional regional conservative values either.
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Speaker 18: She wants, obviously more water for the area, but it's
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Speaker 18: more water for the environment, not farmers. She wants to
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Speaker 18: make sure that they've got a gender affirming clinic at
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Speaker 18: the hospital. Now, I'm sorry, but nobody in that seat
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Speaker 18: cares about that. And she doesn't care about power. She's
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Speaker 18: all for nuclear tech, but not power.
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Speaker 2: James, I've got to jump in there. But we will
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Speaker 2: wrap that up. I'll go up there the weekend and
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Speaker 2: then i'll circle back with you on the Monday. That's
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Speaker 2: it for me. Thank you for your company. Here's Andrews.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. Gens