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(Re-listen) Ep 93. A conversation with Darren Stein (Jawbreaker) · Notable Nostalgia

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  Speaker 1: What's up, nostalgia nerds. We have another relisten this week,
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  Speaker 1: but it's for an awesome reason. Friend of the Pod
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  Speaker 1: Darren Stein from you know, the wonderful, awesome, dope ass
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  Speaker 1: movie Jawbreaker. There's a musical coming out. It's coming out
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  Speaker 1: September twenty twenty six, so just in a few months
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  Speaker 1: from when this episode releases. You know, it's written by
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  Speaker 1: Darren Stein, of course, music's by Jeff Thomas, directed by
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  Speaker 1: Matt De Carlo. It's gonna be awesome, and the only
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  Speaker 1: thing that we're upset about is we don't live in LA.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be at the Hudson Backstage Theater in LA Basically,
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  Speaker 1: I believe it's September fourth all the way to September twentieth,
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  Speaker 1: which is cool. You can buy tickets right now, and
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  Speaker 1: I know they're gonna sell out. They're gonna go quick.
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  Speaker 1: So if you are in the LA area and you
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  Speaker 1: want to see something awesome, make sure you go check
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  Speaker 1: out the Jawbreakers the musical. It's gonna be fantastic. But yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: this is one of our favorite interviews that we've done.
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  Speaker 1: We had a lot of fun, really cool guy, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: make sure you check it out and enjoy this episode again,
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  Speaker 1: and next week we'll be back with a brand new episode.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: There's nothing to hide, Fern. You're nothing, We're everything. You're
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  Speaker 3: the shadow or the sun. But I'm here to offer
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  Speaker 3: you something you never dare dream of, something that you
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  Speaker 3: were never meant to be, but will be because today, Fern,
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  Speaker 3: my dear fate has decided.
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  Speaker 4: That you are cool.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Ali, I'm Andy, I'm Jeff, and I'm Maria. And
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  Speaker 1: this is notable nostalgia.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, nostalgia nerds, this is Jeff and Andy and we
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  Speaker 5: have this very special episode for you tonight where we
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  Speaker 5: get to interview one of my personal icons, the creator, writer,
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  Speaker 5: director of one of my favorite films of all time,
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  Speaker 5: the nineteen ninety nine film Jawbreaker. Very excited about that.
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  Speaker 1: We had a lot of fun doing this interview and
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  Speaker 1: he seems like a really cool guy. And it just
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  Speaker 1: you know, we say this a bunch that, like everybody
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  Speaker 1: that we have on is just really nice and no
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  Speaker 1: no change or no different and no difference for Darren.
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  Speaker 5: Just great.
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  Speaker 2: Should we just jump right in.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's do it. Listeners. We have a very sweet
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  Speaker 5: treat for you. Oh oh nice a jaw dropping and
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  Speaker 5: jaw breaking. This is my last one. Guests on the
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  Speaker 5: podcast the writer and director of the nineteen ninety nine
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  Speaker 5: film Jawbreaker, Darren Stein. I. I I'm trying not to
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  Speaker 5: like fan girl right now because I didn't have the
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  Speaker 5: I had a good experience when I met Julie Binns.
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  Speaker 5: I went with my kid to comic Con here in Portland,
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  Speaker 5: and I just got really starstruck because I you know,
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  Speaker 5: jow Wrecker, obviously, Desperate Housewives, Dexter of course, and I
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  Speaker 5: made the comment to her, you know, it's really I
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  Speaker 5: was getting a little for clamped, and I was like, hey,
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  Speaker 5: it's really to see someone your entire life and to
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  Speaker 5: see them in person. And then I made the stupid
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  Speaker 5: comment like, I know, it's not the same feeling for
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  Speaker 5: you because you haven't met me until now. Yeah, she
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  Speaker 5: hasn't seen me, but the sweetest, sweetest person I've like
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  Speaker 5: one of this. Yeah, she was amazing. No, so thank
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  Speaker 5: you so much for being on. So we're gonna do
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  Speaker 5: a quick just get to know you if you're okay
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  Speaker 5: with that, just like a speed speed round just of random,
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  Speaker 5: you know, just things, So get ready, just clear your head. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 5: all right, favorite spice girl, Jerry Dream, actor to work with,
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  Speaker 5: favorite horror movie, alien, favorite film of all time. That's
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  Speaker 5: a tough one, or just current favorite.
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  Speaker 4: Fuck dude all time. We're looking around for ideas. I'm
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  Speaker 4: just gonna say for today, mulholland drive.
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  Speaker 5: Your favorite Oh, this one's more important. Okay, yogurt or pudding?
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  Speaker 4: Well if frozen, yogurt?
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  Speaker 5: Okay? Your who is your icon queen of music?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm wearing a T shirt Susie from Sissy and
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  Speaker 4: the Van Cheese.
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  Speaker 5: Who is your icon queen of film?
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  Speaker 4: Icon queen of film? Oh, that would be difficult because
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  Speaker 4: I have so many. I'm just gonna say, like Jane
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  Speaker 4: Campion because she's a great director. And then you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sweetie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And then and this when we ask all of our
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  Speaker 5: guests that we have on just because we primarily are
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  Speaker 5: nineties kind of early millennial podcast, what what are you
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  Speaker 5: most nostalgic for from the nineties?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, the movie Virgin Suicides, Oh, Smashing Pumpkins, side me Dream. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: there you go. I'm nostalgic for like that, the like
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  Speaker 4: nineties bands, that moment with like sound, Garden and like
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  Speaker 4: Smashing Pumpkins and like Lollapalooza and just that that whole
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  Speaker 4: like riot girl thing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and we definitely have some questions later on about
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  Speaker 5: some of the music for because your music in this
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  Speaker 5: film was iconic, So no thing I think, how we
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  Speaker 5: I'm all over the place, But I reached out to
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  Speaker 5: you recently because you recently celebrated the twenty fifth anniversary
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  Speaker 5: of Jawbreaker, So congrats on that, and just how was
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  Speaker 5: that just celebrating that milestone.
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  Speaker 4: Basically feel fucking old. No, it's great. I think it's
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  Speaker 4: just the good thing about it is that I feel
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  Speaker 4: like the film is just keeps getting bigger and bigger
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  Speaker 4: and it keeps standing the test of time, and for that,
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  Speaker 4: I'm very grateful.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And growing up, that was such an iconic movie
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  Speaker 5: for me, Like my mom made me watch Rocky Horror
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  Speaker 5: when I was a kid, and then I got my
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  Speaker 5: first copy of Jawbreaker on VHS and I just, you know,
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  Speaker 5: watched it so many times. And then that was like
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  Speaker 5: pre internet. But when I found out that you were
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  Speaker 5: or you are a gay man, that just blew my
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  Speaker 5: mind because I was this little closeted boy in like
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  Speaker 5: a conservative town and to realize that a that a
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  Speaker 5: gay man could lead and produce such an iconic film
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  Speaker 5: was was amazing.
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  Speaker 4: So feels so good. That makes my heart like swell.
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  Speaker 4: That you're saying that, thank you for sharing. That means
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  Speaker 4: a lot to me. Just you're like that, You're like,
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  Speaker 4: that's why I did so much.
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  Speaker 5: I will personally thank you. Though, as an adolescent, the
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  Speaker 5: lolly popsicle scene that that part of my VHS got ruined,
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  Speaker 5: So thank you for that.
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  Speaker 4: Like that that was joining the club. Yeah, I feel
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  Speaker 4: like we need to start a support group of gay
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  Speaker 4: guys who like found themselves to that scene.
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  Speaker 5: The first time I shared this on the reason why
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  Speaker 5: I wrote it, I wrote it for people like you.
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  Speaker 5: I think you're one of the reasons though, I shared
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  Speaker 5: this on a recent episode. The first time, not to overshare,
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  Speaker 5: but the first time that I had like an adult
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  Speaker 5: time with somebody, like sexy time. I knew it was
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  Speaker 5: going to happen. So I went to the store and
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  Speaker 5: I bought like whipped cream, and like, I bought food
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  Speaker 5: because I just thought in my mind, like that's what
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  Speaker 5: you do anyways, but not cool whip though not coolp Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I didn't spread cool with but.
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  Speaker 2: That's so fucking funny to me.
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  Speaker 5: So anyways, all right, you have the first question.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you probably get this a lot, but
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  Speaker 1: our listeners might not have heard it yet. But I
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  Speaker 1: was reading that when you were younger, you and your
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  Speaker 1: friends kind of got into making movies and everything. So
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  Speaker 1: what got you started in writing, directing and kind of
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  Speaker 1: just creating? Like was there one movie that you saw
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  Speaker 1: that you're like, hey, I got to do something like this.
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  Speaker 2: Or what was it.
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  Speaker 4: I would just go see movies and then I would
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  Speaker 4: come home and make my own version of it. Well,
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  Speaker 4: first it was like, you know, with the kids in
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  Speaker 4: the neighborhood doing little plays, and then oh, it's my
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  Speaker 4: dad brought up brought on a video camera at the
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  Speaker 4: dawna video in the early I think he must have
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  Speaker 4: been the early eighties, like eighty, you know, seventy nine eighties.
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  Speaker 4: I was like nine or ten. And when I started
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  Speaker 4: using his camera and I started making my own version
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  Speaker 4: to the films that I would see in theaters, whether
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  Speaker 4: that was like Karate Kid or like Platoons, and they
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  Speaker 4: were like all those eighties kind of movies, late set, Popeye,
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  Speaker 4: late seventies movies Xanda, Oh Shop Shop Treatment was a
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  Speaker 4: big one. The Rocky Horror Rocky Horse sequel.
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  Speaker 5: Love that movie. That was another VHS I just like
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  Speaker 5: watched over and over again.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: When I was a kid, sixth grade, I had a
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  Speaker 1: little video camera and my friends would try to make movies,
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  Speaker 1: and for some reason, we always just resorted back to musicals.
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  Speaker 1: We just assumed it was easier, but it's really hard
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  Speaker 1: to make a musical.
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  Speaker 5: We went through that phase of uh, were you part
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  Speaker 5: of that? When we meet jackass movies?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Assholes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So, so do you have any advice for those
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  Speaker 1: starting out brand new on like, any advice at all
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  Speaker 1: about creating or movies or anything like that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, just use your phone. I mean, you can do
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  Speaker 4: everything now on your phone. You have everything you need.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't back then. I didn't have like two K
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  Speaker 4: four K phones or editing equipment on my phone and
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  Speaker 4: music and everything at your dispose. Everything digital Now it's
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  Speaker 4: so easy to do, right, Yeah, So I would just
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  Speaker 4: start making movies. Just start starting now, write, write them
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  Speaker 4: and direct them and imitate also to imitate who you
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  Speaker 4: you know, who you like, and then eventually you'll figure
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  Speaker 4: out sort of your own vision. But you know, cinema
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  Speaker 4: is a new technology, right, a new art form, so
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  Speaker 4: everyone homages everybody else to a certain extent.
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna make a movie called Jolly Rancher.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I've been imitated quite a bit. I
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  Speaker 4: will say that, Yeah, how does that go to that? Like?
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  Speaker 5: How does that feel to have that like homage? Or
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  Speaker 5: because your film is so iconic, but how does that
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  Speaker 5: feel to see that kind of in newer films?
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  Speaker 4: It feels good because it feels like you affected the
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  Speaker 4: culture and the imagery is important enough to reference, because
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  Speaker 4: that's what That's what I was doing with Jawbreaker, you
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  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. It wasn't just Heathers. I mean, yes,
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  Speaker 4: Heathers was one of many movies that I was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 4: I love I love Heathers, I love Carrie, I love Halloween,
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  Speaker 4: I love rock and Roll, High School, Beyond the Valley,
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  Speaker 4: That Doll, Rocky, Horror, Mommy Dearest John Waters movies. They
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  Speaker 4: were all sort of in the blender of like my
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  Speaker 4: psyche when I wrote Showbreaker, you know, so to see
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  Speaker 4: people using Jawbreaker now like that, Yeah, it feels good.
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  Speaker 4: It definitely feels great. I love it.
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  Speaker 5: I know there's the line that Rose McGowan does that
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  Speaker 5: I made you and I can break you just as easily.
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  Speaker 5: When I was a kid and I heard that, I
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  Speaker 5: almost like shit my fucking pants, Like I was like
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  Speaker 5: that is m love me some Rocky.
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  Speaker 4: I've literally lifted that directly for Rocky. I mean, you
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  Speaker 4: know one why not from the best?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's that's and then Rocky Horror did that
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  Speaker 5: was their whole concept with all of you know, science
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  Speaker 5: fiction double feature like everything shop treatment was kind of
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  Speaker 5: you know, uh, what's it called? Like just like foreshadowing
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  Speaker 5: what we would happen, So that was kind of a
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  Speaker 5: little bit different. But yeah, no, I think it's great.
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  Speaker 5: And your sidebar, you're are you like friendly with the
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  Speaker 5: with the cask Patricia Quinn because I see like your
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  Speaker 5: cause I know your buddy with Peaches Christ who was
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  Speaker 5: on our podcast. Do you like? I said, I'm just
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  Speaker 5: curious if you associate with him.
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to interest me to pat Quinn last christ
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  Speaker 4: last Christmas in London when she was in London, and
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  Speaker 4: I if I had gotten myself to London, I couldn't
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  Speaker 4: met Patricia Quinn but I couldn't get there in December,
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  Speaker 4: but I will meet her eventually. No, I had, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not. I don't know. I haven't met any of them.
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  Speaker 4: I'm I'm not that like, I'm not that girl who's
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  Speaker 4: like I need to get your autograph. It's not my thing,
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  Speaker 4: but I would I would love to meet. If I
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  Speaker 4: could meet Tim Curry, that'd be cool.
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  Speaker 5: I I am that girl because if you see my
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  Speaker 5: dog on Instagram or right there, yeah, you have to.
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  Speaker 5: You have to. Sure listener, he's showing us a starring
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  Speaker 5: Tim Curry tattoo on his four That's fucking fabulous.
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  Speaker 1: I got to Tim Curry one time and I just
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  Speaker 1: waved and he looked at me.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't wave back, but he knows I exist, So
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  Speaker 2: I'm cool with that.
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  Speaker 5: This is that's fabulous. Well kind of he was nice
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  Speaker 5: about it.
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  Speaker 2: He was just walking.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to make this scene like Tim curR
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  Speaker 1: as an asshole, but I was like, oh, and I
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  Speaker 1: waved and he kind of looked and kept walking.
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  Speaker 5: So to a jawbreaking story, like how did you come
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  Speaker 5: up with the story and and how did you and
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  Speaker 5: like what inspired you? Dv use a jawbreaker, Like it
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  Speaker 5: is super simple like that, Like, how did you think
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  Speaker 5: of that?
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  Speaker 4: Well? I think I had seen cult fiction and there's
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  Speaker 4: the ballgag in it. I was like, oh, that'd be cool,
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  Speaker 4: you know, because I knew a girl who was kidnapped
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  Speaker 4: by her friends for her birthday. And I went to
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  Speaker 4: all boys school and I really wanted to have an
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  Speaker 4: all a co ed experience, which I couldn't. I didn't have,
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  Speaker 4: and so my experience was through movies. Right. But then
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  Speaker 4: my friend Michelle's like, oh my god, my friends are
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  Speaker 4: kidnapping me. I'm like, I want to be kidnapped. That's
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  Speaker 4: so cool. Girls are so weird and so and that's
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  Speaker 4: where the idea came from, was an actual girl in
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  Speaker 4: the valley and then Sina got kidnapped. But I was like, well,
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  Speaker 4: what if the Heather's is fucking bitchy girls like the
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  Speaker 4: Heathers are kidnapping and then they accidentally kill her? And
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  Speaker 4: then I was like the ballgag, Okay, we would teen
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  Speaker 4: age girls use oh, a jobbreaker, And that's a great
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  Speaker 4: idea because it will melt in her mouth and it's
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  Speaker 4: it's a mad out of sugar and they can get
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  Speaker 4: stuck in her throat, so it can become a good
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  Speaker 4: like inadvertent murder weapon.
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  Speaker 2: That's cool, that's really good.
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  Speaker 5: Did the girls that inspired that part of it?
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  Speaker 4: Have they? Michelle? Yeah, all my inspiration, Like I know
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  Speaker 4: a girl named Courtney, you know a girl named Marcy,
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  Speaker 4: I know the girls who kidnapped. You know. There's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of it comes out of my past and my
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  Speaker 4: my own upbringing. And the movie itself is really just
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  Speaker 4: my gay shame, and it's it's growing up gay and
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  Speaker 4: feeling different and all the rage ahead against the world.
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  Speaker 4: It came out in the in the movie. It's my
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  Speaker 4: velvet rage. So that's why Jobbreakers are dark. And people
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  Speaker 4: who are other, whether you're you know, another race or
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  Speaker 4: another sexuality, or trans people or traumatized people or I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, people who've had extreme life experiences seem to
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  Speaker 4: resonate with it, you know, and any kind of outsider,
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  Speaker 4: you know, kind of outside her because the movie kind
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  Speaker 4: of goes it goes in.
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  Speaker 5: Hard, definitely does. And to talk about like Jawbreaker, you
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  Speaker 5: have to run like the cast is so iconic to me,
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  Speaker 5: to everybody. But so if I could just like kind
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  Speaker 5: of list off some of the cast members and then
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  Speaker 5: whatever comes to your mind. It can be long, it
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  Speaker 5: can be short, whatever. But Rose McGowan number one, who
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  Speaker 5: I think is going to be in history.
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  Speaker 4: Books of her amazing. She's incredible Courtney like she was
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  Speaker 4: born to play the role and just absolutely triumphs in
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  Speaker 4: the film. And to this day we're like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: still friendly Rebecca gayheart, Oh go ahead, I love I
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  Speaker 4: love Rebecca. I mean, Rebecca is incredible, such a sweet girl.
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  Speaker 5: She's iconic with urban legend and uh and my favorite
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  Speaker 5: Tony from nine to two and zero.
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  Speaker 4: I love Rebecca. A great actress and funny, the fun
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  Speaker 4: a funny person.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, she And that's a like a hard role I
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  Speaker 5: think too. I think Courtney is a fabulous role. But
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  Speaker 5: what what was Rebecca's what's Rebecca's name in this movie? Again,
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  Speaker 5: Rebecca like her Julie, Julie. That's a hard role too,
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  Speaker 5: because she's playing against the tide. Julie binns.
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  Speaker 4: Adorable and funny, like Marcy wasn't that funny on the page.
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  Speaker 4: And then when Julie came in audition, she suddenly brought
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  Speaker 4: this like complete wackiness that I loved. Julie's just a
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  Speaker 4: sweet and a lovely, good person, just just just a doll.
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  Speaker 5: Next one, Jeff Conway.
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  Speaker 4: Jeff was great, came to the set wearing I have
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  Speaker 4: a grease jacket, like he like his hair's grease back.
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  Speaker 4: Like he was kind of knicky when it came to
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  Speaker 4: the set of but Jeff's great. I mean I had
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  Speaker 4: kind of like a crush on Kiniki when I was
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  Speaker 4: like a kid. Yeah, and Greece is such an iconic
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  Speaker 4: movie and it's so much grease and jawbreaker, So it
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  Speaker 4: was so cool that he that he did the film.
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  Speaker 1: One right, earliest memories ever was wearing jeans, a white
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  Speaker 1: T shirt and then like these boots that I had
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  Speaker 1: because I wanted to be someone from Greece. So when
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  Speaker 1: I saw Kaniki on the screen, because this is uh,
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  Speaker 1: I just recently watched job record, but just talked about
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  Speaker 1: it so much, and I don't know, maybe every fifth
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  Speaker 1: episode we have he brings it up.
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  Speaker 2: So I felt like gonna watch it. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, THAT'SKANICKI. So yeah, that was really cool.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: The cast, like the kids are fabulous, but the casting
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: that I don't know if you had how hands on
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: I'm assuming you were hands on every aspect because it's
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: your baby. But the adult cast is iconic, like on
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: a different level. One of the other quote kids Julie,
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: Judy Greer.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: Love Judy is incredible, brilliant actress, chest a great person
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: and saved our ass because we we didn't have a fern.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: I mean we cast Judy. I want to say, like
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: a week before production started. We really left out.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: And she could ease like she played those two roles
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: of Vio Violette and then for Mao is it Carol
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: Kayan from U or Kine from Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt love
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: her well.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: Carol, I knew from When a Stranger Calls, the horror
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: film from the eighties. Oh okay, have you checked the children?
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Have you checked the children? She's a babysitter. It's really
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: freaks me out. In the eighties, I made my own
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: version of it, and so casting Carol for me was
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: really just straight up homage to When a Stranger Calls
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: and the effect that film had on me.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: One that is a little bit more of a like
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: a couple of blinks and you might miss her. But
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: Tatiana Ali, Tatiana is just a great actress.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Love her, such a love lovely person and I wish
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: she had more to do in the movie, But you know,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: I was young when I wrote it. I mean, the
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: ancillary characters didn't get enough good enough to do, but
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: they still make an.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: Impact with especially like I don't know if you how
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: impactful like Fresh Prince of Bellair was, but like for
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: us like nineties little kids. Yeah, seeing her in it
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: was just like, oh, like, I love her. And the
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: last but not least Pam.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: Greer, Oh legend, just straight up legends. Yeah, and I like,
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: who could take down Courtney Shane. Pam fucking Greer.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, she's amazing. I think you have an
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: express on casting.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Actually I kind of want to touch a little bit
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: on the on Fern Mayo just a little bit. So
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: when you were writing that character, did you intentionally write
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: for Mayo as like LGTBQ plus or And if so,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: what kind of advice would you give to someone maybe
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: that's a modern day for and Mayo going through that
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: type of stuff.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely did make Fu and kind of bas Oh, yeah,
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: for sure, she's because I love the that I'm like,
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Fern definitely turns out to be lesbian. I'm sure. But
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: it's funny because a lot of trans people also really
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: relate to the Fern Violet arc because they see themselves
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: in being invisible and then becoming this extra glamorous girl
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: and then getting dead named and like out it as
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: your previous self. And so I had no idea that
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: there were all these trans people who really like got
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: into her, into the Fern Mao story. You know. So
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: in the remake, I'm working on getting a remake done.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: It it's sony, it's like a movie musical remake, and
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: Fern is now tranced. She's a Vern, she's a ver vern. Yeah,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: and Courtney sort of transitions her, so it's a lot
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: more stakes, her much higher. It's a lot more emotional
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: and h and the subtext becomes the meta text. So
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: it feels right to do.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: You know no, that's great. Yeah, that's a whole another
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: layer to the character.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: I never know when if you don't mind me asking
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: when do you kind of do you have like a
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: timeline of when we could see that because I know
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: that you briefly did you wrote it already because I
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: think i've yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: It's straight and well, first we developed it as a
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: musical for the stage. I mean this listen, I've been
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: working a long time trying to get jobreaking me. It
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: has not. It's been a tough road. I we pitched
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: it as a series, then the musical for the stage,
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: and now a movie musical. But I think this one
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: really has a really good shot. So it just depends
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: on when how soon we get a green light from
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: the studio. But I do know they want pop stars
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: in the roles. So I've already like I've had a
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: meeting a zoom with Chloe Bailey of Chloe and Haley.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm meeting with Kim Petris in April, Like
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: we're trying to get like three really cool pop girls
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: into it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Do you think we could see any of our OG's
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: in there somewhere?
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah. Well, Judy would play
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Miss Sherwood in the New Music a lot and have
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: like Judy playing the Carol Caine role and rebec and
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: then I have to find roles for Rebecca and Julian
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Rose the out to I'll have cameos for sure.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: That's awesome.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: So you're a director, of screenwriter, and a producer, all
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: three leadership type roles, so I'm kind of curious, what
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: would you say I teach.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: I'm assuming you teach art or like the arts greenwriting
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: at a FI, which is like a graduate program in
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: the la O.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: You yeah, yeah, so how would you? What would you say?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Your leadership style is how do you share your vision
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: with others that are also creative?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Like how do you I'm very.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: I'm very collaborative. I just think like you need to
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: really get people excited about your vision and make feel
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: heard and make it feel like a you know, like
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: a team effort. So I'm very like inclusive and easy
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: and like back and forth and not a tyrant at all.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: I was much more trannical as a kid when I
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: was a little kid making movies.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: That's awesome, you guys.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: You guys should watch. I made this documentary called Put
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: the Camera on Me, which you're gonna rent for a
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: dollar on Amazon, and it's about all the films I
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: make gram up in the eighties. It's like seventy minutes
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: and it's like all footage in the movies.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: That is wonderful because when I was doing some research,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's really cool that used to
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: do that, Because I used to do that and I
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: was like, I would pay a whole year's salary if
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I could find those old tastes that.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I made with me and my friends were were kids.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: So that's really cool that you have them now. Yeah,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and I'll check that out for sure. Okay.
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: So to help on or the recent twenty fifth anniversary
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: of Jawbreaker, I was super excited when I saw that
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: Vogue wrote a really fabulous article specifically highlighting the fashion
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: of the film. So you can tell me more us
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: more in our listener about the fashion of Jawbreaker and
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: just some of the iconic looks specifically, like just the
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: colors and like your choices with that, like it was
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: it was pinked.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: I really wanted the film to be timeless and fashion
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: for and not feel like typical high school. So we
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: were pulling from like eighties, from the fifties, you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: with Greace fe fetal stuff, from the twenties, you know, Dominatrix,
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: kind of like punk stuff, fetish stuff, and in a
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: little bit of nineties to creating a complete style that
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: just felt like it's a world Because I always loved
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: world building and movies like Blade Runner or like The
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Matrix or any kind of film, even like that fully
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: immerses you in it. So yeah. And then the colors
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: of the Jawbreakers, the bright blue, the jewel tones informed
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: the colors of the girl. So you have the red,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: and you have the green, and the yellow and the
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: blue and the purple. But it all came out right
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: straight from a jaw, a splattered jawbreaker. We let those
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: colors inform the actual color palette. That's so cool.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: Was it strategic at the beginning because it sounds kind
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: of like the Jawbreaker was kind of like an organic thought,
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: but it just kind of worked out so perfect a
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: dead mix for your film.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: And it was the idea. It was the idea of
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: candy colored goth. Like we like, we're very into the
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: idea of goth and darkness and the macabre, but the
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: candy colored version of that. And and and there's a
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: there's a line in the room when I think it's
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: rose or someone says that the sweet Detective Crew says,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: the sweetest candies are sour and his death inside. Just
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: the idea of something that's sweet on the surface and
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: the dark on the inside and sour on the you know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: just the dichotomy between the or the hard shell, you know,
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: just playing with all those things, how a jobmaker could
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: kill you. John Maker's hard, Johmaker gas. But it's also
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: sweet and you can look at it in the Last Forever.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: It's confusing. It's a very confusing candy.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like impossible to break under most circumstances, but
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: if you're just like kind of sweet to it, you
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: can get.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: To the core that is. Yeah, that's really heavy. That's toff. Yeah,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: that's sick. I like that.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: So, like I was saying, I just finally watched it recently,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and right afterwards I was talking Jeff. I was like,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: it has like a punk feel to it, and like
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: the colors are so vibrant and kind of has like
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: an anti establishment type feel to it. So how important
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: was the music in Jawbreaker? Because you know from you
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Who by the Imperial Teens?
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Just so what and.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: More of course, but like what kind of what were
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: your goals when it came to the music for this movie.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: I'm very into music and very into punk.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Like same, I have a social dissortion tattoo.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: I have said Nancy tattoo.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: About that's awesome. Heck yeah, oh.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: No, Nancy. Upside there people are like is that Nancy
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: from The Craft. I'm like it could be. That's so sick,
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: but yeah, no, I really wanted it to be rock
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: and punk, and like so does everything from like Scorpions
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Rocky like a Hurricane, which more more of an eighties vibe,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: to Imperial Team which is the more nineties and Bruk Assault,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: and then you have stuff like Connie Francis the Lollipopulp
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: which is the more sixties or like Young at Hard
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: at the end when Roses like her Mescara and slow Motion,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: which is more being crossberry from like the I think
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: the fifties. So it runs again it so I wanted
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: them used to be timeless sort of similar. And then
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: we I don't know if you're the soundtrack, but there's
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: like a cover of like she Bop, some weird like
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: deep cuts like the Cindi Lauper masturbation song from the eighties.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: So I'm really wanting to homage all kinds of time periods,
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: but it's always rock, always punk, always edgy, always girl girl,
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: well gust a little bit, and then there's a transistor
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: dreamy song when the Girl when come Liz comes out
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: of the pool that was sort of an m to
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: all the cocktail Twins and the smartal coil and all
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: the lush, all this the four eighties stuff I listened
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: to in the eighties. So yeah, music was a journey
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: and I really wanted it to be prominent. And or
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: the cars let the good Time roll with the good
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Times roll and they pop the trunk and they like
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: recoil from the smell.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: The I thought the Donnas were fabulous too, like that
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: that having them because they were big at that time too.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: But they didn't distract me from from the film at all.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: But oh my gosh, one of my favorite musical moments
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: is very brief, but it's uh when Violette is on
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: the trunk of the hood of the car and she's
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: just what is she doing? Is just bopping But I
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: just I love it so much, so much. She's just
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: so free and I'm just loving it. But that that
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: that part was so I just want to do that,
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: but I would look like an asshole, but.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I know we're getting pretty close sometimes.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: She's inspired by like Angeline. Angeline was like this billboard
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: queen in the LA and the eighties because punk queen,
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: platinum hair, and she sat and she drove a pink Corvette,
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: so I really wanted Violet to have a pink Corvette.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: We couldn't get a pink CORVETTX we had the budget,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: so we got a red red Corvette. But she wore
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: pink and we and she saw the platinum hair. But
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: she's supposed to be like at her most sponstrous, she
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: was like Liberaci meets Angeline.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: You know, everything in this movie, like the details, like
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: the from the girls' rooms are so iconic and so
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: like Fern's room to Julie's like is so everything the
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: everything hats off, hats off.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: But well, the production designer was a guy named Jerry Fleming,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: and we wanted to do a modernist look with the
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: production design. Modernist meaning minimalist, kind of that palm springs
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: kind of like retro modern vibe. So that's that's why
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: it looks so specific, because Courtney's room kind of was
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: like a Barberella vibe is very like red.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: Boudoir.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: And then Julie's room has like glass like color glass
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: balls behind her bed and stuff. But we alway, there's
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: a lot of circular imagery that we wanted to do
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: used that we calls the shape of the Jowbreakers, So
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: you're constantly seeing spears and circles and the earrings are
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: big like hoops.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: It's it's master. And I would be so curious to
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: know what Courtney's parents were thinking of this broad like
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: she's she's kind of rough. I'm just curious what they
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: were like.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I like it one of the scenes like she's
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: she's this where and she's just in high school already,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Like it's like, how evil is she's going to be? Yeah?
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: So Jawbreakers, as we all know, is an iconic cult
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: film of the millennial generation. So what is your relationship
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: with cult films and when did you realize Jawbreaker had
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: such a huge following.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: I my big, my big cult film was Rocky Horror,
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Rocky hornor Pitcher Show, which I first saw in the
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: movie Grease a nut Grease Fame Fame was an eighties movie.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: At one point, they go to see Rocky Hort midnight
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: at the eighth three Playhouse in New York, and I
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: was like, what the fuck is that? I bought the book,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: I had the soundtrack, I dressed to my mother's I
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: went trying to find fish out. She didn't have any
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: I wore her brown hose.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: It's so good.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: And then mommy dearis bitch. I like, found mommy deis.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: I was like fuck yes, so I would say, and
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: oh and then John Waters so pink Flamingo's, multiple maniacs,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: desperate living, all the early John Waters, so I'd say
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: those were my my my holy trin Nyme was Rocky horror.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: And I'm older than you, guys. I think you know
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: I was born. I was born in seventy one, so
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: those are my those were my gems.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: And then and I want you to like, I want
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: to give you your flowers. But like Richard O'Brien is iconic,
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: John Waters is iconic, but you are that to my generation,
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: especially the LGBTQ people. So when you like, I think
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: maybe accidentally friend, like we friend. I think I have
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: a friend requested you and then you accepted him like
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: he doesn't know who I am, but but we have
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: a p just christ in comment and then uh, it
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: looks like your buddy's with someone. We went to school with,
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: Anthony Hudson, So I think you thought I was again
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: Anthony Hudson, who does uh does drag? Is like a
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: local like kind of I don't know the correct term
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: of dragon.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he does that character in Portland, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: so that's a what's name again, I'm gonna go.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: To hell for this, but it doesn't matter. But like
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: I was there, Yeah, so I so that.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's a Ethony. He's shown Jobbreaker there at that
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: big theater.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's doing fabulous things. And when Peaches, when was
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: on our episode, girl is so good, Like she told
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: us some pretty awesome stories. So I appreciate that. My
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: next question was gonna be oh, Carlo Carlo Rose, Carl
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: Rossi Ross.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: So I went to a direction recently and the governor
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: was there and that's who was hosting it.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know that was Anthony. Yeah, that's fucking crazy, weird.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: Okay, So my next question was going to be about
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: what's next for Jawbreaker, but it kind of already sounds
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: like we got some stuff on the works. And I
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: did the honor this week because I watched your movie
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: at least like four to ten times a year. But
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: I did introduce my son to it. He's twelve, and
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: people side eye me on that, but I was ten.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: He's old enough. He gets it. He gets it, and
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: he loved it.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: And I showed my daughter this movie the first time
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: and she goes, she loved the beginning because it builds
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: up like it's gonna be about that girl that dies,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: and then she so she was like, right after that,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the who you think is gonna be the main character dies,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: You're just guessing the entire movie, like you can't.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Look away from it. And I was like, right, this
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: is a really dope movie. So yeah, I know.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: And the actress I want to give her flowers to
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: I forget her name, but the actress who plays.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Uh is Yeah. She she did a charlet Charlotte. Charlotte
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: was in The Rage Carry too. She's great. I love Charlotte.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: I have not seen Charlotte. I don't She's on the
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: one girl in the movie that I don't really have
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: a relationship with right now, the Bummer.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she's iconic and a dead girl. I was actually
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: something else. But I have a few just like because
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: we only have a limit of time with you, and
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: I want to like just ask you everything in the world.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: So I'm gonna do it kind of another just kind
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: of rapid fire questions. Some of them are about Jawbreaker
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: and you can definitely pass if you don't want to answer. Okay,
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: number one? Was there? This is more lighthearted? Was there
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: a like a class clown on set? Like we're I.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Would say, I would say, Julie Ben's.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: Julie Ben's.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Some of these questions I didn't proof free. That's how
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: professional I am. What is the best part of being famous?
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: I don't consider myself famous but iconic? Iconic?
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: That's kind of is a weird question to ask problem
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: pass on that. This will make the This will make
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: the next question so much easier. What is the weirdest
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: thing a fan has? The first said to you? Well,
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: probably the last question. Do you get weird fans?
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, but they're still fans nonetheless.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: So it's sweet. I love my fans. I'm so grateful
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: for everyone who loves the film. So I feel like,
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: you know, it's all good.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: This is a question I always have for people that
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: are either behind the camera in front of the camera.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: Are you able to watch movies and film and TV
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: as an audience member or are you always thinking like
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: what went into this or the script?
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: I personally am able to just sort of watch a
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: film and really just enjoy it. And detach and not
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: not pick it apart. No, I can, I can watch it, gotcha,
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: that's just not my own thing. Yeah.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is again probably an awkward question, but
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: was there any drama or tea or gossip from the
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: set that you are willing to share?
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: You guys can google that, you can figure you can
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: find some stuff over that.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: We could do some dive in.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, nothing, nothing major.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it seemed like every all the set photos that
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: are sold there was not sold but shared the.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Fact that we're also friends today I think says it
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: all like there's no bad blood between anybody, and uh,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: it was fun. But I will say, you make it
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: like when you make it from my Jobbreaker and you've
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: got girls playing these roles, those click dynamics can sometimes
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: happen on a set, you know, just because people.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: Are character and sure, I know, yeah, I imagine that
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: same thing with like any for to the most part,
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: like on a micro standpoint, like any workplace, it's a
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: place of work that where there's drama that that comes up.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: But I think that's pretty much all of it. I
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: feel like I'm going to regret and regret I regret
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: not having additional questions but but I don't want to
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: keep you any longer, but for our for our listeners listening,
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: and they want to keep up with you or do
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: you have anything that you know to keep an eye on.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: No. I've got a new movie called Aunt Max that
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: I'm in the process of casting right now. It's it's
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: actually the most personal thing I've ever written. It's sort
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: of a queer herald of maud Nice about this older
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: woman that I was friends with when I came out
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: of the closet who live vicariously and wanted me to
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: have sex and tell her all about it. But she
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: was married with in the valley and she it wasn't weird,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: it was she gave me, she accepted me and let
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: and gave me power because she was like this cool
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: older woman that was like, hey, yeah, twenty one year old.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: So we go to gay bars and we tell people
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: shows my hand. She'd be like, my nephew thinks you're cute.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: So she was like my wing woman and gay bars
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: and stuff.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: It's really fun, and it's like, that's that's awesome, And
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: like every relationship is so personal and specific to like
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: the individuals. What's kind of the timeframe for that do
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: you think you remind me asking?
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: Hopefully we're going to shoot it in the fall. Fingers
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: Crossed herold A.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: Mott is a great film. I love that you that
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: you pay respect to like the films that come before,
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: and draw from your personal experience and that's just such
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: a cool sense of community to us, kind of like
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: outcasts too. I love that.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, John was really made, you know. I definitely wanted
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: to write the film that I wanted to see when
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: I was in high school like that. That's why I
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: wrote the big stick scene because I was like, fuck,
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: you know, I want to see a queer coded sex
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: scene and I couldn't make it overtly queer. So I
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, I'll just have a rose, you know,
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: make him give head to this big stick, you know, this.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Popsicle the one of my feet. Yeah, that was that.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: If I wasn't gay before that, lad Day.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: My favorite line from the film, if I had to
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: choose one, is and if you mind getting it specific,
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: but fern mao Liz Perr and then the meoween that's
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: that's that's my favorite. Do you have a favorite line
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: from uh? From Drawbreaker?
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: I like them all. They're fun. Yeah, you know, I like,
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: I like the whole like cafeteria, that weird speech that
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Roe says about flagellation and like digestion, defecation like that,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: all those weird words is fun. And I love the
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: whole like makeover thing, which he's like where the shadow
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: you're the shadow or the sun. That's that's a fun
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: that scene and that was me trying to be like Shakespearean, you.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: Know, that scene in general, that's like I don't know
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: what the proper terminology is, but I call it like
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: the theater of the absurd, like just kind of over
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: the top, just I don't know, like whimsical. That scene
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: where she is going through the makeover is so awesome.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: It it'ts so I don't know what else to say,
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: but it's beautiful. It's like it's theater. I don't know.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: You did, you did really good.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: But again, I need to give your flowers. But I
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: do want to say again, thank you so much for
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: being a part of the podcast tonight. Thank you for
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: creating this film and creating other iconic films and just
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: being a representation especially to you know, us little gay
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: boys in the nineties.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: So thanks, pleasure, you guys. Thank you for having me
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: on and I really appreciate it. You know, you guys
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: have been great. I loved your questions and your enthusiasm
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: meant a lot to me.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: Thank you. We'll have a good have a good night.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, pleasures bye. And that was our interview with Darren Stein. So, Jeff,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: after actually finally meeting him, talking to him, did he
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: live up to what you pictured in your head?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Where you how? How do you feel like it went?
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: I think it was really I really tried to stay
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: present during it not get too wound up, and I
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: think I composed myself pretty well. I was maybe at
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: like a seven or eight instead of a nine or ten,
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: So I think I killed it there and just talking
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: to somebody and seeing him via you know, internet, world
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: wide Web. It was very surreal in a little bit,
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: but I just tried to stay present. And it was
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: like I was saying during the during the interview, to
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: have you know, growing up, I was into Rocky Horror
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: and you know, Crybaby and Pink Flamingos, which I shouldn't
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: have been watching at that young of age, and these
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: icons of John Water he they were a little bit
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: more further removed. And then for him, who was a
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: little bit more in our generation. For him to be
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: a gay man who's creating film and leading and creating
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: one of my favorite films, it was just he means
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: a lot to my childhood, and it was interesting to
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: discuss the movies that he pulled from and paid homage to,
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: and then the ones that came after, like Being Girls,
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: so the ones that came prior, like Heather's. I think
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: the Craft came out around the same time, but just
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: that there is kind of this sense of community rather
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: than rivalry. Sure, and I think that's really special. And
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: I think that this resurgence of this kind of genre
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: with like the Mean Girls musical coming out and now
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: finally like there will be some jawbreaker like update which
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: sounds fabulous. Yeah, with the ogs and then the more
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: of like the the Transit or story arc. I think
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: that's gonna be gonna be fabulous.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I love too, the part where he talked about him
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: just like remaking the movies he saw as a kid,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: because I wanted to keep talking about.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Myself because he doesn't like talking about myself.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Right, But when I was a kid, I used to
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: have this little tape recorder and I'd watch Conan O'Brien
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: and I would just redo the skits on my little
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: tape recorder. Yeah, so I totally understand that feeling of like,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I want to recreate that, you know.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: So it's just really cool, you know. But it makes
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: sense that you're talking about like the John Waters and everything,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: because when they were making movies, I think most of
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: those movies can before you were like even poor, and
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: so it is hard to kind of relate. So yeah,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: having this show up in your lifetime, especially at that
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: you're like ten or eleven, Yeah, right around there. So yeah,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: very important, really cool guy, like I said before, and
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: his tattoos are dope.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: That's that's really cool too.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: So yeah, and for the listeners, one of my favorite
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: hobbies of doing the podcast is to see when we
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: have guests on what their home looks like. And I
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: love that he had the Audrey Hepburn poster behind him,
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: like just like I loved his that's my creepy vibe.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: But I love too just the origin story of the
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: kidnapping in the movie, the use of the jawbreaker and
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: how beautifully that simple prop can just transform how the
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: movie looks and feels and like the colors and the
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: vibrancy if that's a word, and I love that, so
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: it was. He's an artist for sure. No, yeah, yeah,
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: all right, listeners, well, thank you so much for joining us.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: Please leave us a five star or one star whatever
• 42:02
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• 42:07
  Speaker 5: you have anything to promote?
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Oh no, just make sure you go listen give us
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: a five star review.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, good call.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: But now Avengers season two or The Averager season two
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: is coming soon.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so check that out, and you know, maybe leave.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: Us a five star review, but then say horrible shit
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: about us, that would be. That would be. That's a
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: good compromisation right there. And then if you want to
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: look at pictures of my chiuaha for some reason, Gus
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: Gus underscore the dog Ping. And then if you haven't
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: go out and it's on Amazon Prime right now, Jawbreaker.
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: I think it's like three point fifty to buy, So
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: just go ahead and do yourself with a favor and
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: just watch it and buy it, and then keep an
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: eye on Darren Stein's social medias for other projects that
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: he's working on.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't I'm gonna plug it again. But
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I'm really interested in that documentary he has called camera
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: on me. Yeah, so yeah, I'm gonna watch that. So nice,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: So you should watch.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: It as well.
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: That's going to be nostalgic to watch for sure. Well
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: until next time, I'm Jeff.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I'm Andy Shane.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: Bye, all right.
• 43:14
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• 43:19
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• 43:22
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• 43:24
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