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Speaking With BX, the person who broke the Department of Homeland Security Story | Fireside Chat 238 · Honey Badger Radio

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Okay, hello, good morning, good evening, good afternoon, no matter
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where you may be, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is
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Brian and this is the Fireside Chat and today I am speaking with Bex.
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I'm just gonna say, bes, is that what you meant? Is that
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what it's supposed to be? The BX? I think most people say BX,
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but you could say X. That's fine. I like BES. It
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kind of rolls itally what it was supposed to be. Because my name is
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Becca. Yeah, yeah, everybody started saying BX, and I was like,
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well this is fine. Okay, Well I'm gonna say BEX. I'm
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gonna I'm gonna rebel. And it's a really it's a really interesting how we
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came across your channel. Like most of the time, the kinds of guests
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we get on are people that our patrons suggest, you know, that we
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talked to because maybe they work in a field related related to men's issues,
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like men's mental health or law or divorce or child custody. But you kind
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of came. We got tagged in another post related to something going on with
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an Apartment of Homeland Security, and you were the one that kind of like
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shine a light on it from what I can tell. So, first of
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all, welcome to the show. It's good to have you, and really
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appreciate you bringing a light to that because while we suspected that stuff like this
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was going on, we didn't know how, I guess, like, how
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much energy was being put towards it. So let me ask, because you
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seem like you're like an interesting person in terms of the content you do.
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What what is it that you consider yourself like in terms of what you do
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and why? That's a great question. Well, so I'm I'm a licensed
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private investigator in Texas. I started streaming on Twitch about five or six years
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ago. At the time, I was a pro level competitive shooter and so
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I talked a lot about guns and shooting and self defense. It was also
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a women's self defense instructor. And so after I started to you know,
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I was and I'm a mom, and I was kind of like a naive
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to the internet like five years ago, you know. But as I started
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to kind of get into Twitch, I started to realize that there's a whole
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another world that needs to be you know, communicated to children and parents about
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the safety their kids are, the dangers of their kids' face online, and
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so my content kind of started to take a shift towards like online child safety
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and advocacy, which led me down to pretty pretty dark paths. I guess.
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I guess it was in twenty twenty two that you know, I had
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worked to try to expose like a giant, massive child predator ring on Twitch,
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a coordinated child predator ring on Twitch, which everybody was kind of like,
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she's lying that, blah blah, she's crazy. But then it,
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you know, we got Bloomberg to finally, you know, blow the whistle
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on it, and that resulted in Twitch making some pretty big changes to how
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they manage you know, moderation and you know, child safety and stuff.
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So there's really good, good things that we can do on the internet to
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keep people safe, right especially kids. So I'm really a big believer in
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that. And so you know, I guess starting there, people have brought
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me things. I've ended up just kind of getting curious and looking into things,
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and I guess that's what I do. I just the way somebody described
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me the other day, they say, it sounds like you just pull a
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pull a string and just unravel things full of thread. Yeah, yeah,
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it's full of thread and like see what happens? Right, So, yeah,
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I've seen some really weird, crazy, bizarre stuff. Yeah, I
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watched your Twitch video like way back when I well, I kind of say
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way back a week ago, which is like one hundred years of internet years.
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But like when I when I first discovered your channel, I your Twitter
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page, I looked at your video about Twitch, and you know, I'm
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not surprised by much of it. I mean I I've seen a lot of
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evidence to show that Twitch is, or these social media not just Twitch,
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but like a lot of this sort of social media stuff like Twitch and YouTube
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is can be exploited as like a gateway, you know, for children to
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get into really inappropriate content, grooming content, things like that, Oh you're
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talking about you watched my pinned or my highlighted reel? Yes, yes,
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yes, yes, yeah I did. I would watch that because it was
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I that was great context to how these predators utilize every single platform there is
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to like get the material from the kids, sell it, distribute it,
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advertise it. All of that's done on discord, Twitter, Twitch, YouTube,
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Snapchat, Instagram, yeah, Instagram, all of them. All of
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them have the problem. What do you think have you do you know about
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the new Well, it was kind of like a brief thing. There was
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this new thing that Twitch allowed. I think it was tasteful nudes is what
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they called it. Did you know? Did you know about that? That
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was pretty recent and and because you know, I thought Twitch was for video
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games, but what do I know, taking a downhill slide and that's you
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know, we started seeing the girls with the you know, bikinis and the
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hot tugs and the rest of us. Kind of all of a sudden,
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they've got like fifteen thousand viewers, and everybody's just oh yeah, it's not
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just people who are paying them because they're horny. It's people who are like
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just like cringe watching and like you know, blasting it on their own streams,
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and it's getting a lot of rage attention to and so it's it definitely
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we knew it was going to be a bad thing for the platform, and
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it is a slippery slope that's actually played out. Yeah. Well, they
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actually do art like I like, I have like art streams where I do
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like airbrush like paintings. Yeah. I saw that. Yeah, but the
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other day, when they when they started that taste that artistic nudity. The
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top creator in the art channel was just like a loop of girls working mm
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hmm yeah yeah, and it had like it had like eight hundred viewers.
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I was like, all right, I know I also make digital art and
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I was doing it online for a while, but you just can't compete with
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that. So to be fair, now those people aren't trying to watch my
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stream anyways. I don't know, No, it's a different audience. But
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anyway, Yeah, so so you're you're a mom. How many kids?
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You have? One? One and they're very young. I mean I don't
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want to pry until you're six years old. Okay, so it's a boy.
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So you're so you have an interest in protecting your your your child is
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at least part of it. I mean, getting to the truth and all
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that is also and you know, you said you're a private investigator and interested
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in self defense and guns and stuff like that. You're kind of all over
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the place it. But there is something about, like, you know,
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a mama bear and what you know sort of inspires her to do this.
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I mean, my daughter's been you know, like I remember I took down
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well I helped to get this guy arrested. He was on YouTube. You
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can look him up on YouTube. His name is Josiah Maizukami. And there's
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like people with millions of viewers who've like talked about it. But we found
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this guy and we worked with predator posers to get him arrested and he's in
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jail. He's in a mental hospital now. But yeah, he was like
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a model in Malaysia, just this like this characteristic like you know, like
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normal looking individual. But I know that my daughter had walked in at one
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point when I was like doing some video editing, and she asked me who
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it wasn't I said, that's a bad guy, and she goes, he
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doesn't look like a bad guy. And it's when I had to talk with
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her, like, they don't look like bad guys. They look like normal
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people, right. And you know, sometimes you might be talking chatting with
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someone online and they're not who they say they are. They say that they're
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you know, your friend, but really they want to come take you away
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kind of stuff. You know, Yeah, because most people are still a
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stranger danger don't talk to strangers outside, but they don't think that their kid
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might talk to a stranger online. And I mean my kid and It's not
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like I don't watch what she's doing online, because I do. But man,
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she has done some crazy wild stuff like accidentally spend one hundred dollars on
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like Barbie accessory points on her little game, you know. Oh no,
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So no, kids can't do stuff without even realizing it, and you might
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not know till it's too late. So yeah, yeah, do you think
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that within the age of social media? And this is a little bit of
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a digression because I want to get to the ADL thing and the Department of
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Homeland Security stuff, But do you think that parents are either more negligent or
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just have a harder time competing with the attention that their child is spending on
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social media? Like, you know, I grew I'm I'm fifty. When
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I was growing up, internet didn't exist, so you know, my parents
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knew who my friends were, they knew where I was going. I didn't
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have the opportunities. But sometimes, and I do get this this sort of
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thing where people this mantra of like social media is the problem. But I
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wonder too if it isn't like a failure on the part of parents, you
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know, to sort of like be involved. I mean, it's both things.
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And it is a person who's advocated for kids and had discussions with parents
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whose kids have been victims. Right. One thing that I've always taken away
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from that is that every parent says that would never happen to us. I
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want what my kid is doing. And so the problem that I have online
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is when people like you're approaching it correctly. Yes, it is, there
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are two parts. I don't think it's like that they're just being bad parents.
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It said they don't have the literacy, they don't have the literacy to
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understand, right to be educated, not like Leah Bastitt and called terrible parents.
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Right. We need to learn and teach other parents and not be like
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weird and judgmental because a lot of times I get people who are trying to
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just defend the platforms for some weird reason. I mean, these guys are
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evil. I don't want to defend them. But yeah, they'll be like,
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well, it's a parent's fault. And it's like, this is what
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we call a conversation stopper, right, because you're trying to say, too
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bad for that little kid, he should have had better parents. Well there's
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still a victim, right, we still have to to try to work on
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the you know, not every kid had Some parents are great and this still
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have is their kid. Some parents are awful and it happens to their kid,
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right, not ever, not every Yeah, there's no magic bullet.
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Right, there's no magic bullet. And the thing is, it's not just
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social media, like you know, I don't know if you've noticed about like
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the well, I don't know if they still happens, but it is happening
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a lot where you have parents showing up at you know, PTA meetings and
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school uh council meetings, like shouting at what kind of material the teachers are
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exposing to the children, you know, this sort of pornographic really inappropriate stuff
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and or at least that's what the parents believe. And it's sort of like
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coming now because they you know, they didn't know that this was being taught
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to their child until they find out. And so I think that there's it's
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like, it's not just the internet, you know, this is like an
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ongoing thing. I think it's pretty rare. I mean, I live in
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Texas, so like here it's a little bit different. In fact, I
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think they passed laws against that that recently. But you know, here,
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I mean they banned books. I mean they banned like you know that early
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kind of weirded fringe education, where's teaching the kids too much too soon and
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stuff that maybe should be left out of school completely and just left to the
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parents, right, you shouldn't, in my opinion, they should be learning
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educational stuff. However, you know, my child obviously she's in the first
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grade, and when she's in kindergarten, they started to hand out like a
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pamphlet say hey, like we're we have advocacy groups coming to the school to
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talk to them about like stranger danger, and like it's going to include talks
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about super important, talks about touching, like inappropriate stuff, right, which
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is kind of awkward for parents. We talked her about that too, but
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it's good for her to hear it from somebody else. So what I did,
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and they left a link in there, so I like went to a
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link and I read all the material and I said, Okay, this is
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not weird, this is what she needs. Every kid needs this, right.
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Well. I talked to the teacher later and she said, you know
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what, so many parents opted their kids out. They didn't even look,
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they just shut it, and that I don't know what this is, and
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I'm gonna I'm not going to do it because I've heard all this stuff online
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about you know, all this bad stuff, and that's unfortunate because their kids
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have you know, they've passed up on a really good opportunity to help teach
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their kids how to identify abuse. Yeah, I agree with that too.
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I think I think that at the end of the day, what you did
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was the right thing. It's about practicing discernment and basically like, Okay,
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this is and I'm going to look into the material, this is appropriate.
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Maybe I'll even help, you know, like in my individual case with my
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daughter, so you know, she gets like the most benefit out of it.
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So these DHS grants, I mean, you're going to find that these
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that this year they've focused very much on early education, meaning that they're teaching
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this h K through five, and they're they're coming in with these same NGOs
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and teaching them how to identify hate and how to be resilient against this and
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this, and again it sounds good in theory, but what I'm what I've
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showed you is that these things are very subjective, they're very biased and politically
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driven, and they can have kind of nefarious agendas behind them that you may
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or might not agree with, and you might not even know this is happening
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because they don't. They just incorporate it into curriculums. Now, yeah,
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it's kind of it's kind of concealed. It's like slipped in through the back
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door. Oh yeah, it is. I mean with this grant that I
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discovered with the Diverting Hate program. Right, I got a really good question
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on Twitter by somebody who was like kind of giving me a pushback, which
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I don't mind, right, but I will say, like, I'm sorry
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if it's hard to understand, because it's hard for anyone to understand, and
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I'm doing the best I can on like Twitter, and like it's very difficult
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to like link sources and stuff there. But yeah, everybody had asked me,
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well, you know, like why is it so complicated? Why can't
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you just explain it. I'm like, because the grants, honestly, they're
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so vague and they use very like non specific language. They don't actually say
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what they do. You have to read between the lines, and then even
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then you have to go look at the output, like the report to see
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what they actually did and how that matches up with the grant and this guy.
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So you are telling me that the grant doesn't have what they're going to
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do. I'm like, yeah, I am telling you that. You know,
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not only that, but like it doesn't say diverting Hate Program. If
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you're looking for the grant, it's going to say Arizona State University. And
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then so you have to kind of figure out that there McCain Institute, and
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the McCain Institute is with Arizona University. Yeah, you're very very obscured.
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Yeah, it sounds like a lot of like sort of legislation that gets passed
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through you know, like the Senate in the House where they'll give you like
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i don't know, like one hundred pages and they'll just pass and they'll call
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it one thing, but it'll be like a bunch of other stuff attached to
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it. And only people who are willing to take the time to go through
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comb through everything to figure out what's actually like you know, on offer,
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those the only people who are going to see it. Yeah, it is,
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it is. It is. It's very sneaky. I've been researching these
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grants for over a year and just recently DHS released a whole all of them.
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Via Freedom of Information Act, which is why I've been spending my time,
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like eyes glazed over, trying to like get through these grants, right,
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Yeah, and even though almost all of them have something that will make
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you mad, I promise, I'm sure. Yeah, but this is just
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the first one where I actually saw names and mechanisms like directly. That was
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That was to me, that was, like, this is the best evidence
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we've we already knew this was happening, but we didn't have evidence until now.
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Now this is like really clear evidence of exactly how they're going about doing
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this, you know. So that was yeah. So so I guess how
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do you come across this uh this uh redirecting hate uh document that you ended
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up sharing with us? And what made you Why did you want to do
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it? Because we're not exactly we don't have the best reputation with the mainstream
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and all that, you know. So I'm I'm sort of interested as to
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why you thought this was worth like telling us about. Yeah, well,
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because it's an infringement of your constitutional rights. I mean, I don't agree
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with what the most of the stuff Andrew Tates says, or I mean,
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to be honest, like I don't pay that much attention to the manuscere.
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I'm probably I'm probably missing a lot of what he says because I'm just picking
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up what like people like the sound bites that get put out there. Yet
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I'm not going to say that. But like you know, of course,
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like you know, everything within the Manswer, there's some stuff that I disagree
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with, but I don't have really strong opinions, but I don't really care
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them. I'm like, no offense, but like I'm not. That's not
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I don't have the bandwidth to like also care about. I have to say
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focus and kind of I also have to kind of stand biased, right,
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But like the way that you can be sure that I'm on bias is that
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I really don't have any connection to the Manswer. I don't really care.
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I know. That's one of the reasons why what I do care about is
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that you know, if the DHS is doing this to you, they're going
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to be doing it to me next, They're going to be doing it to
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anybody, right, And the big picture is that what they're doing is trying
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to expand the blame, like you know, the blame surface area here from
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like this like tiny minority minuscule minority of people who commit violence, and instead
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of going after the people who are radicalizing them directly to commit violence, they're
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reaching all the way out here to like things that make them mad, the
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things that make the angry because they're they're triggered by it, right, or
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things that threaten they're threatened, they're they're sort of hold on on, you
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know, the narrative. I mean, that's what that's because we're not I
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mean, some people would say we at Honeybadger Radio were not not really manisphere.
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I guess when I think of the manisphere, I think of like the
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kind of you know, like you said, Andrew Tate types that are like
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trying to they're usually selling something, you know, or they're just trying to
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help, like you know, be like a representative of some kind of what
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they consider to be an optimum masculine identity. But we're not doing that where
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we are. We add Kate for fathers, you know, that like that
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should be involved with their children. You know, it's like the legal stuff
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really and and that, and that's mostly what it is. To some degree,
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there's a cultural angle too, because the way that men are viewed.
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We have to like sort of fight against because there is like you said,
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you know, they take like the most extreme examples and then they say this
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is what men are like, and we have to step in and say too,
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you had to fighting fire with fire, right, yeah, yeah,
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we do. We do. Are only fans wars And it's like have you
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been to the grocery store lately? And yeah, no, I know,
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I know. Yeah, and virtual reality where you're very fixated on what it's
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showing you, right, yeah. And I think that the intentions of these
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researchers are kind of like I feel like they started pretty innocuous, Like I
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think that they started with good intentions, because it's some's to some extend the
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algorithm and what's trending in the biggest voices in who can pay for the biggest
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management teams. That's another part of it, right, Those people can can
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make it to where all you see is this like you know, line of
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like almost like distorted perception of reality, and it's okay to have other pathways
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and try to boost those up and try to throw I wouldn't have any problem
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if they were throwing money behind a PR company, throwing money buying someone to
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try to get a positive voice out there because that's their freedom to do that.
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But when they're taking views away from somebody else to do that, that's
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when you get into this like, well, this is a not even a
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gray area anywhere we've crossed the line of suppression. And because it was funded
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by the government, this is like a serious, in my opinion, serious
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constitutional violation. Mm hmmmm. Absolutely, So then what are I guess,
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Like we talked a little bit about that, and your document was no longer
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accessible. I do have the diverting Hate thing. I'm gonna put it on
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the screen really quick. You won't be able to see it, but I'm
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showing it to the audience, and it's basically just your sort of write up
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the United States counter Terrorism Apparatus. Yeah, that's what we were saying,
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isn't isn't available. It was like the there was well, there was a
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an outline and then there was a video that went with it. We actually
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watched some of the video. I did a I didn't know where you got
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that from. I wanted to find that. Yeah, it was like it
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was sort of embedded in one of the other documents or or it was in
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like the thread I can't remember which, and we saw that basically they problems
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with that. Al Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was and that the
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thing that I'm that concerns me, it's it's you know, is exactly what
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you said. I think that it is absolutely like unconstitutional. We're you know,
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even even the people that I wouldn't necessarily like say, we're like the
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Andrew Tate types there. I don't think there's there they're dangerous per se.
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I don't. I think that we are only like sort of I don't know
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if there was like what do you call it, cocentric circles, you know,
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like like here's us and here's them, and we touch a little bit,
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because there is like a general you know, sense that we are trying
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to help men, but we're not interested in the kind of stuff that you
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know, that that the men who follow him are looking for. But I
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don't think that those guys are dangerous. I mean, like no more than
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any other person, at least not to the degree that you need to get
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you know, the Department of Homeland Security involved. But it will affect us
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too because on that in that video that Karen was mentioned, and Karen was
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mentioned because she interviewed people that they didn't like and maybe she's been like that.
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Yeah, yeah, that's where I started to go, Okay, Now
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there are some accounts, and this whole thing was wrapped around the in cell
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community, right, and so there are accounts where I would say, yeah,
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it's fair to probably try to I'm not like suppressive for freedom of speech,
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but like to look into these like these funnels that actually go to these
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actual radicalization forums where people are actually being radicalized by terrorists. Those exist,
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right, But when you're focusing on this, like you know, this outside
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of that and trying to say, oh, it's it's the start of that
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ideology, Well, let me tell you, DHS has been doing this since
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nine to eleven. Right, the war on Terror was literally just I mean,
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it's still going on. But you know, at the time, it
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was trying to say that trying to expand these radical exlawmist extremists who were just
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this fringe, radicalized segment of you know, of the Islamic community, and
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try to expand that to be like all Muslim Americans, all immigrants from the
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Middle East, and basically they were able to justify monitoring, surveilling these people,
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forcing them to become informants, and their human rights were absolutely just trampled,
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and now they're doing it to people in America under the guise of domestic
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terrorism. Yes, exactly, you know, yeah, it's it's act.
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And sometimes I mean, like I have a good friend Paul Elam. He
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runs a men's sort of refuge because is the thing like the you know,
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you mentioned the in cell forums, and we I think that what happens is,
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uh, some men, uh, some are really lonely. Some are
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struggling with a lot of social issues or mental health issues or whatever, and
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they're looking for a place, yeah, a lot of them, and they're
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looking for a place to to you know, commune with other men, to
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like talk to other men. And some of those places can be healthy,
23:47
and some of them can be unhealthy. And we want to, like,
23:51
you know, that's our goal here at HBr is to try to offer a
23:56
kind of refuge for you know, not just men, but but also so
24:00
women who you know, are feeling like, I don't know, like they
24:03
just they're just carrying too much on their shoulders, they have too much baggage,
24:07
they haven't dealt with whatever, they don't get any help, they don't
24:11
have community. And the thing that's and and Paul was one of those people.
24:17
He has a group called x Y Crew, and men go there and
24:21
they exchange advice, and they help each other out, and they listen to
24:23
each other and you know, and all that, and they and they because
24:27
the the mental health industry is not really it's not really helpful to men.
24:33
It's sort of built on a political structure and it's substrate, and a lot
24:38
of men they don't find a lot of help there. And we certainly don't
24:41
want to drive men to you know, anything like like extreme, like you
24:48
know, ending their own life. So we were hoping that we can give
24:52
them like a sense of purpose. And so one of the reason why I'm
24:55
bringing this up is because I think it was the SPLC, the Southern Poverty
25:00
Law Center, declared Paul's group, the x Y Crew, as like,
25:03
you know, a hate group that is like that hates women or something,
25:07
male supremacy, I think they called it. And the only thing he was
25:10
doing was offering men a place to go and talk to each other. And
25:12
I'm on there sometimes on Thursdays, and we just I haven't been there in
25:17
a couple of weeks. That's my fault. But you know, we talk
25:19
about projects that we want to do. We teach like some guys to show
25:23
you other guys how to play instruments things like that. So it's pretty harmless
25:26
overall. But what concerns me is is that I think that it's, like
25:30
you said, there are places that are really potentially very unhealthy that could lead
25:37
to self destruction, where people encourage, you know, they try to radicalize
25:41
each other, they try to drive each other to extreme things, self harm,
25:45
whatever, or they just fester. And I think that when these groups
25:52
target them, the only thing it seems like they want to do is break
25:56
it up and sort of scatter those men. And I think that what that
26:00
only serves to make things worse, you know what I mean? Yeah,
26:06
I get where you're coming from, and I used might there was a point
26:08
where I may have agreed with you there, But I think that what I've
26:11
added to this this uh you know, like there's another layer to this whole
26:17
situation, right, there's another way that this This should make everybody kind of
26:22
irritated and make your ears perk up, because what's actually happening is that it's
26:26
not necessarily just like dejected young men in a community radicalizing each other. What
26:33
we have is actual terrorists that are radicalizing these men, and they have their
26:40
predators, and they have posted up in these places. And I mean I'm
26:44
telling you this because I've tracked them around and they're literally leading in cells to
26:48
like ISIS websites and stuff, right, so like they're not this is the
26:52
real deal. They're dropping PDFs of propaganda in there and you know, trying
26:59
to get them to when telegrams and discord servers. It's very very sketch.
27:03
Okay, probably FEDS, but you know that's beside the point. Like there's
27:07
a lot of actual people in there who I would consider to be like you
27:11
know, I'm like just using my eyes in common sense, not in cells
27:15
at all, but actual terrorists. Sure, I'm not, I guess I'm
27:18
not. I'm sure that like where there are men like that, there will
27:22
be there will be these kind of predators. I think that's absolutely true.
27:26
I Mean that's what prisons are, right in a lot of ways, that's
27:30
where a lot of that happens too. So I'm not I'm not defending any
27:36
of that. I think that that's where this stuff grows. I think that
27:38
it's really a right place to find, you know, men that you can
27:42
radicalize or like especially if they're angry. I mean, and so you watch
27:48
these researchers come out with articles that say stuff like, oh, well,
27:52
you know in cells are have you know, a high prevalence of autism,
27:56
or they're neurodivergent, or there a lot of them are very you know,
27:59
depressed, and you know all of this have mental like long mental health histories.
28:03
And it's like, yeah, those are the types of people who they
28:06
want that they pray of these types of people specifically, which is why they
28:10
flock to those kinds of forums. Right, So, but this is not
28:14
something that's been coming up in any of these grants, Like this is where
28:17
the terrorism component comes in, and yet nobody mentions any of that in any
28:22
studies, which is so you're saying, they they're putting these NGOs out,
28:26
but they're not directing them at the proper targets exactly what I'm saying, right,
28:30
Yes, So then okay, so I don't think that what you're saying
28:34
is very like is at all? I guess, like, I don't have
28:40
a problem with any of that. I think it's true. I think that
28:41
that it's it's I know that it is because like I said, I've worked
28:45
with convicts and and you know, like they and I've worked with a woman,
28:52
for example, who uh was a you could say, a kind of
28:57
therapist, like she would work with the extremely criminally insane or or like guys
29:04
that had like life sentences, like just the worst kinds of crimes, and
29:10
she would talk to them and and uh, you know do and she would
29:12
learn uh that you know, they were that that is a place where this
29:18
kind of stuff happens, where people recruit essentially, you know, uh kind
29:23
of radical terrorist types. And so I do, and I'm I'm with that.
29:27
That's the thing that I want to avoid. I don't want these guys,
29:32
these uh you know what, I would say, the majority of in
29:34
cells are harmless or if they're going to harm anyone, it'll probably be themselves.
29:40
I don't want them falling into that trap. So I'm I'm I guess
29:44
I'm saying I agree. I just think they need like a healthier you know,
29:48
outlet or a healthier place to be, do you know what I'm saying.
29:51
So, yeah, I do agree with you one hundred percent. And
29:52
that's that's you know, that's definitely part of the equation. And one thing
29:57
that kind of I don't really know if there's any substance to saying that,
30:03
Well, if we just got rid of this one forum, they would all
30:06
go underground. They always say no, no, no, not you,
30:10
not you, but go underground, and then we'd lose track. And it's
30:12
like, well, first of all, no, they won't because they're making
30:15
money off this and they're not going to make money if they have to go
30:18
underground. Right. We have already saw Kiwi Farms almost almost sink because of
30:22
that, and they only got pulled back up because they got brought back online.
30:26
But you know, and also don't act like the Feds don't know what
30:30
the dark web is. Okay, they're running the exit knows there, they
30:33
understand the dark right, But we also don't really have any solid evidence that
30:37
these groups will will break up. And then like reform is something bigger and
30:41
scarier. Right, Again, what we're talking about is terrorists who are trying
30:48
to find a place to go and prey on people, right, And of
30:51
course there's going to be in cells who are violent, and there's gonna be
30:53
you know, in cells are just toxic and want to a place to like
30:56
vent and stuff, and that's not I don't care about that. I'm just
30:59
gonna be really with you. I don't really I'm not the type of person
31:02
that sees hate speech and is like, oh, oh my gosh, pearl
31:06
clutching. I don't care. I don't care if you call people slurs like
31:08
I mean, I don't think it's nice. I think it's not a good
31:11
thing to happen. If you were my son, i'd probably give you a
31:14
good talking to, right, But I'm not going to go caring over like
31:18
some you know, some like toxic speech, because I don't think that that's
31:21
actually really hurting or affecting anybody. But what I'm talking about in these places
31:26
is content so extreme that I've never met a person who I showed it to
31:30
who didn't have the same exact response, and that response is always universally.
31:36
How is this not banned by now? How is this legal? How is
31:40
how are they not doing anything about this? And that's where you get really
31:44
confusing. Yeah, that's a great question, why aren't they doing anything about
31:47
it? Right? But then you see this arm this like big profit money
31:51
generating complex over here that's just using it as basically research, and they're using
31:57
the people in it as lab rats. They're they're using this big scary ooh,
32:01
look at how scary this place is to justify more and more terrorism grants,
32:06
more and more research, more and more censorship campaigns, And they're using
32:09
that whole thing to justify it because you know, I'm going to tell you
32:13
straight up that the stuff in there, I've seen stuff in there that's absolutely
32:15
illegal, and so it's not you know, when you say in there,
32:20
what do you mean like specifically in the Insell forum. Okay, you know,
32:25
and there's stuff that like I would have thought would be illegal but actually
32:29
aren't in the US for some reason, which is interesting. But you know,
32:32
there's stuff in there that's absolutely indefensible. Stuff to do with kids,
32:38
a lot of like really gross stuff to do with kids, borderline like you
32:44
know, borderline and illicit stuff. Yeah, and just and how much of
32:50
that do you think is like does that mean like how much how much of
32:54
that glows in the dark? I guess is what I'm asking, Like,
32:59
you know, I wonder about that. You know, I do too.
33:02
I can't say for sure, I can say that I know for a fact
33:07
that they do work with law enforcement. I know for a fact that law
33:09
enforcement monitors the forum heavily in that several people have actually gotten knocks on their
33:15
door and a couple of them have even gone to jail based on the federal
33:22
agency surveilling this, this place and again. And it's just like why,
33:27
like it seems like you're just keeping it alive because you need it, you
33:30
know, it seems like you're using it. It really does seem like they're
33:34
just not taking action because they're benefiting from it in some way. And so
33:38
yeah, I mean I would say that if any I would just go ahead
33:42
and be on the safe side, if anyone ever tries to like invite you
33:45
to a discord server telegram like that, they glow that you're gonna go to
33:51
you're gonna go to jail. Us not proceed, right, Yeah, no,
33:55
it makes sense, right, makes sense. So I got some super
34:01
like some super chats and super chows. So I'm gonna read through them really
34:05
quick, and then we can look at, well a little bit of the
34:10
stuff from your data, anything that in specific that's sort of like that you
34:15
really want to bring attention to because there's a lot here. Yeah, but
34:20
let me let me first bring up these super chat This is the first one
34:24
I got this is from Richard Pierre, and he gives us five dollars.
34:30
Thank you, Richard, and he says there is a transage and transgender individual
34:35
in Canada who is the middle school girls swim team and is changing in the
34:39
same locker room as the girls. Said individual was born fifty years ago but
34:45
now identifies as a middle school age and a female. And in Houston there
34:50
was a kerfuffle because one of the story our drag queens happened to be a
34:53
registered sex offender. I am aware of that one for sure. And yeah,
35:00
I mean, like you know, I this is like kind of getting
35:07
outside of the wheelhouse that I like had intended to operate in because I don't
35:13
act as though that there are no evil men, like that's ridiculous, right,
35:17
Obviously there are, and I don't defend them simply because of that.
35:21
I just try to make sure that a man is treated justly and I say
35:27
the same about a woman. So yeah, I mean I think that there
35:30
definitely are people who take advantage of this kind of progressive attitude forwards sex and
35:37
gender and they use it to prey on people. And it is It can
35:42
be men, it can be women and that's it. I mean, that's
35:45
what I think. So I don't know if you want to say anything to
35:46
that. It seems like a little bit of a digression, but he sent
35:51
the super child, so I always read them, Yeah you're good. No,
35:55
nothing. I really thought about it too much with the question, I
36:00
guess, but well, I mean, yeah, there are I guess what
36:04
I'm What it is is that, you know, there's this this queer theory
36:08
attitude that says that essentially there is no such thing as a man or a
36:14
woman, and it transcends age and everything else, and some people take advantage
36:20
of that. They they you know, they are they are predators or they
36:22
have auto guidophilia or something, you know. So, yeah, that actually
36:29
reminds me of like a comment I left for you guys when you were trying
36:31
to figure out what transmaxing was and I was trying to explain it. Oh
36:36
oh, I had a transmaxer on the show once. But what is it?
36:39
Well, first I want to say, like I saw somebody mention Kiwi
36:42
farms and like I want to clarify, like I go so extreme that like
36:45
I don't even think Kiwi farms should be banned, Like I don't even I
36:51
don't. I go there occasionally to find like, you know, breaking information
36:54
on stuff, and I don't even think that that rises to the level that
36:59
I would with this at. So I just want to make sure that everybody
37:01
understands what I'm talking about is like it I can't even say it on the
37:06
stream, like, but it's so bad that I would show it to you
37:08
and you'd be like, why is this? Why is this here? You
37:12
know what I mean? Like, yeah, not like not hate speech.
37:15
I'm talking about extremely violent, violent content and stuff to do with kids,
37:22
Okay, So I just want to clarify, like that's right. I don't
37:25
really care about hate speech, like you know, yeah, this is you're
37:29
we're talking about harm, yeah, not hate speech, right, seeing people
37:35
to kill themselves kind of you know, like actively, not just like you
37:39
know, saying yeah, you know, like in Jess, but like actually
37:43
goading them to it and trying to convince them and giving them. Yeah,
37:45
there was a guy who's who who sold poison through the mail, right,
37:52
like that was one of the things in the BBC. What was that,
37:55
Kenneth Laws. Yes, that's right, Kenneth Law. Yeah, it's actually
38:00
just now been charged with I think I don't know how many counts of homicide,
38:06
but that'll or maybe it was. I don't know if it's homicide I
38:08
had to do. No, I think I did read it, but it
38:10
wasn't. It was basically like a yeah, like an assisted suicide, but
38:15
like not not in the Canadian government kind of way, but trial. I
38:22
don't know when that's going to happen, but I'll be at the edge of
38:24
my seat waiting for that one. Yeah. Yeah, So about the transmaxers
38:29
though, like it's actually super funny because I've kind of blown them out of
38:34
the water not too long ago as well, because when I was looking into
38:37
all of these networks, which in just full disclosure, you know, we're
38:40
still talking about the Inceell form, it does funnel people. It does act
38:45
as a funnel to get people to these other communities. Like they're sorted according
38:50
to like their vulnerability, right, so yeah, if they're a little bit
38:53
effeminate, and maybe maybe you'd be better as a woman, right. And
38:58
it doesn't sound too crazy when you're I mean, it is crazy, like
39:01
doesn't sound too off base until you understand that what that is and the person
39:07
who's most you most likely talk to. I don't know, but like that
39:09
person has done like podcasts talking about ZIP final and sales solution. Yeah,
39:15
yeah, I think it's wanting to sterilize these men. I think we Yes,
39:20
I agree, I think we are talking about maybe the same person because
39:22
they were German and I and you know, there was a lot of support
39:29
for them. But I you know, sometimes people I'm I'm all about freedom,
39:35
right, like do what you want, but I think that it's it's
39:39
probably good to understand what the potential consequences of long term consequences of a choice
39:45
like that is, because we're talking about irreversible damage, genialize you, they're
39:51
trying to get rid of you. Yes, that's right way, Yeah it
39:54
is. It's it's eugenics. Really, it is. No they that's what
39:59
they claim it is. That's what they openly call it. Which is crazy
40:02
because like so the whole transmaxing thing was started and it was called a cult,
40:07
like it was started as a cult by a very sick, very dead
40:13
person named Nathan Larson, who was eventually arrested for you know, grooming and
40:20
kidnapping a twelve year old girl, and he died in prison from a hunger
40:23
strike. He was just absolutely insane. He actually started a lot of the
40:30
things that you're seeing now, like transmaxing. He started it as calls it
40:34
a cult, wrote a bible that included a lot of sexual abuse and nasty
40:38
stuff that I've ended up getting that trans he calls it his manifesto on a
40:44
banned I've got a band off the internet archive even like I've gotten it banned
40:47
from pretty much every place that I've seen it because of the content in there
40:52
is like a lot of child sexual expectation and that. So eventually he kind
40:58
of slimmed that down and made the Transvaxinge manifesto from that by having out the
41:02
stuff that would offend people and trying to rebrand it. After Larsen died,
41:07
this other guy did. Yeah. Vinology is his name, and he's a
41:12
very very sick individual. He literally openly calls it a eugenics cult. And
41:17
the child sexual stuff is still lurking there behind a very thinly veiled public face.
41:25
So beware of that because it's very exploitive and very dangerous, especially the
41:31
kids and you know, young adults. Yeah, have you heard of this
41:36
thing called the Jaffy memo? I don't think so. So it was a
41:42
memos. How do I put this? You might look it up, but
41:45
it's I think it was put out by members of Planned Parenthood. There are
41:53
measures to reduce fertility by universality or selectively selectivity of impact in the US,
42:01
and they were they had a plan, a whole plan laid out, and
42:06
one of the things was to essentially groom children into transitioning so that they would
42:10
become infertile. But there's a lot of other things too. I've said for
42:15
a long time that there's like you know, and I straight I try to
42:17
stay away from like conspiracy Why I don't like the work conspiracy theories because honestly,
42:22
you need you sometimes need to do that to figure out what's going on,
42:24
right, But yeah, you need to ask the question. I have
42:28
to do that. I have to theorize about things quite often. And one
42:30
of the things I've had been forced the theories, even though it sounds crazy
42:32
and it's not something that before all of this I would have even entertained,
42:37
is that there does seem to be like a genuine concern about like it's some
42:40
kind of depopulation agenda with this, you know, funneling these like young men
42:46
who are like not really contributing to society and leading them to their ultimate fate.
42:52
And you know, like I said, a lot of them are neud
42:55
divergent, a lot of them have you know, mental health issues. It's
42:59
really just taking the most vulnerable men in our entire society and exploiting them and
43:04
harming them. And not only is it something kind of creepy like that,
43:07
but there's people making a lot of money off of this. Like they're the
43:12
people who are selling suicide kits and poison to people as young as you know,
43:17
fourteen fifteen years old have died and it's just tragic. As a mom
43:22
it raced my heart and I would really like to see it stop. Yeah,
43:28
I agree, I think that it starts. I don't do anything.
43:30
It's like education is the only thing we have right now, is like warning
43:35
people, right yeah, yeah, Okay, more super chat. So Albernata
43:40
Retro gives us five or two dollars Canadian and says, honey, badgers have
43:45
a good nose for finding stuff. Well, thank you, but I didn't
43:47
do it. All credit goes to Beck's and then I got another one from
43:52
Richard Viere for five and he says a boy rejected by his bill. I
43:57
think, I don't know if that's what it meant to say, but a
44:00
boy rejected by his bill will burn the entire village down just to feel its
44:04
warm warmth African proverb. Yes, thank you for that, Richard appreciated.
44:12
So. Yeah, and just to clarify, like that, that is what
44:16
we're looking at. I was just clicked over to your YouTube, and that
44:19
is what's on the screen right now. Is that you know this suicide website
44:22
where they are selling that kind of stuff, yeah, to kids and making
44:28
a kid with law had sold over twelve hundred of these kids all over the
44:31
world in forty countries, and they've already attributed, they've already confirmed like hundreds
44:37
of deaths just to that person. So the death's hole is actually unreal considering
44:44
he's only one such person. Mm hmmm. Yeah. And I mean,
44:51
you know, I admit I was a bit suspicious because we generally are our
44:55
run ins with the BBC in the New York Times. It's not they're not
45:00
reliable sources a lot of times, especially when they talk about the stuff that
45:04
we talk about. But this looks pretty cut and dry, and I'm sure
45:07
that you have a lot of other sources to sort of corroborate that. So
45:14
and plus I don't think it's I don't think it's like really all that crazy
45:19
to presume that there would be, you know, people that would exploit this
45:22
weakness, and you know, yeah, you know. And the other thing
45:25
is that, like the BBC in New York Times, they haven't really said
45:29
it. They haven't said anything about the manisphere, Like this isn't about that
45:34
at all. This is like the thing that we're talking about with the DHS
45:36
grants is something different. Like these guys are purely focused on, you know,
45:40
the parents of these people who have died, the victims. The parents
45:45
have formed like this ad hoc advocacy group and they have lobby Congress, and
45:49
they have passed laws around this prohibiting the sale of you know, this particular
45:54
poison they have, you know, in the UK, they've contributed to the
46:02
passing of some certain online safety acts, which I don't necessarily agree with because
46:07
I worry that taking that route will just kind of give they'll basically exploit this
46:14
tragedy to try to push through like widespread censorship and surveillance, which is like
46:17
the opposite of what we need. So it's very nuanced situation. Right,
46:21
Yes, we want something to be done about it, but not at the
46:23
expense of our rights. Right, we have to find a balance and situation.
46:30
Yeah, I agree with that. What would you what would you do
46:31
if you were you could, like, if you had the authority, how
46:37
would you handle it? Have you thought about that? I mean, I
46:40
am doing it. I'm trying to raise awareness about it because I feel like
46:45
what happens is that a lot of communities don't know that this is happening.
46:49
And I think that if they did know what was happening, they'd be very
46:52
careful about promoting certain people and you know, platforming certain people. Not that
46:55
it's like you're on to platform people, but if you're not also warning,
47:01
you know, and trying to help people stay away from those, that's the
47:06
rabbit hole that diverting hate should have been focused on, right. Instead,
47:09
they're worried about Tate Bros. Who are just kind of they're going to grow
47:13
out of it, right the kid they're kids, they're just being toxic.
47:16
This is something completely different that they're not even addressing, which is very strange.
47:21
In fact, there's a lot of these researchers who I've basically they have
47:24
been blocking me chain blocking me on Twitter for asking questions about their study design.
47:31
Because again, if you have a forum that's you know that you know,
47:36
attracts people who are already mentally ill, already nor divergent, and the
47:39
lowest of the low people, men are who are the most vulnerable and at
47:43
rock bottom already in their lives. Right, and you advertise a website there
47:47
that that sells them the means to kill themselves. Right, don't you think
47:52
that there might be some some confoundings there? Right? You know, so
47:55
how are you also putting out these studies and saying, well, instead,
48:00
are this much more likely to commit suicide? Well? Yeah, but have
48:02
we even addressed the fact that they're being persuaded to do it? Right,
48:07
They're being like basically convinced to do it. And so it's very strange to
48:12
me to watch these studies come out. Well, why do you think they
48:15
would Why do you think someone would try to push someone to suicide? Well,
48:21
for one thing, they're they're sellers of poison and they make money from
48:24
them buying it, or they're you know, they sell other things too besides
48:28
poison. But that's one thing. Uh, there's also some and isa sounds
48:32
insane to say this, but there are some people who are on there and
48:37
appear to be actually evil and doing it because they are actual evil and enjoy
48:44
it. People who try to convince them to stream it in discord servers,
48:49
and then that gets, you know, leaked on various core sides. So
48:52
there's a lot of really nasty, awful, just traumatic stuff. Like my
48:59
eyes twitch right now because I've seen a lot of really nasty things. Wow,
49:04
yeah, Okay, I think we got time for one more thing,
49:08
and then if you could stick around, we're going to do a patron show.
49:12
We have some patrons. Usually we bring in like one or two more
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people and they'll want to talk to you some more if that's okay with you,
49:21
Okay, great, Okay. So I did get one more super chat
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from Albert Nata retro where is it here? He gives us five dollars Canadian
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and says Bex needs to go on Badger Talk and have the women tell them
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about GQ writer Jeff Charlotte and his pedophile pal showing up at ICMI. This
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was in twenty fourteen. GQ tried to write a hit piece on the International
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Conference on men's issues. And what they did was the journalist showed up with
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a convicted pedophile, pretending like he was a normal, sort of typical guest
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at the Internet a conference. Of course, it's not like, oh,
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you know, most of these guys they're like fathers and you know, they
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don't get to see their kids. It's it's very simple stuff. But they
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were trying to I don't know why, I guess, tarnish our reputation.
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I wasn't working with them at the time. This was like a year before
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I started. But yeah, so thank you Albert for what. Huh you
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think it was like set up? Oh? Absolutely, it was a set
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up. They the GQ guy brought the guy the pedophile with him and was
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like, I'm and then he basically reported it as, oh, there was
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a convicted pedophile there. You mean the guy you brought with you, you
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know, like, yeah, they're shameless, dude, Yes, I know,
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I know. And it's like, you know, you could be catching
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real pedophiles right now, like you could be actually doing you know, journalism.
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All this money that's going to suppressing people like you guys, right,
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which is like, what that's that's your tax dollars you're taking that editor salary.
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M hm, what's it actually doing? And sometimes you know, I
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was gonna mention like, uh, the people that they're trying to divert to,
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right, Like these safer options, these safe platforms, A lot of
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these are like, you know, big money making opportunities where you click around
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and it pretends like it's going to help you and then it tries to sell
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you a four hundred dollars program, right, Yeah, and so a lot
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of these are for profit things that're they're pushing people to and yeah it's just
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cool. Well it's another scam. Yeah, it is basically just a big
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money you know, uh, you know complex where there's you know, positive
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feedback loop where you know, you are you're incentivized to keep terrorism going,
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You're incentivized to continue to expand the definition of terrorism where people make more money
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when you do that. Mm hmmm mm hmmm. Speaking of which, so
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you sent me this thing. We're gonna just mention it briefly and then we'll
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go into the Patron show the FBI and the ad L working towards a world
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without hate. So is this this is like a transcript of a of a
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talk or something I have to remember. So I found this on on Lauren's
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Twitter. I think Lauren Laurens on Twitter is I don't know, I have
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to look it up, but I feel that it's okay color Lauren. But
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oh oh yes, I think I I think I saw that. That's who
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I was quote tweeting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, that's
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right. Yeah. I wanted to read through this. So he has some
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stuff about fusion centers and stuff in it, So this is kind of another
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angle of the same. So mostly what my document talks about is this diversion
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or this redirect method, right, which is one of the softer approaches,
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to be fair, because the other approaches involved basically trying to build these giant,
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you know, fusion centers where they basically the FEDS come in and train
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law enforcement on what kind of radicalization indicators to look at, and of course
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they're using the same BS stuff right that, and they're also kind of,
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in my opinion, trying to gain more control over the states where the federal
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government shouldn't have authority over those investigations. And so this is like the Threat
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Assessment Team, threat management and the fusion cinema James Comy huh, like this
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is like from the top, from the tip top, this is from the
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this is an FBI press conference, I think, yeah, the Anti ADL
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National Leadership Summit. Mm hmmm, well yeah, we'll talk more about this
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stuff in the Patron Show. So I'm going to head in there now.
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If you guys are members and you're at the appropriate level, you can join
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a discord that way, so becks. So I'm gonna call you that.
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Now, where are some places where people can find you? Uh, it's
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a b X underscore on underscore x on Twitter, and I'm also I'm banned
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from YouTube. But why are you banned? Too real for them? They
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never told me. But I was reporting on some similar contents to this,
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but it was a much different situation, and I think that I just got
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too close to the truth because they literally banned me and didn't give me an
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explanation. I never had a strike on my channel. Oh weird. Yeah,
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they refuse to tell me why. Even the YouTube partner support refused to
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tell me. So somebody made a decision. Anyways, I'm on Twitch and
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kick also b X screams, so you can check me out. There is
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your content like all over the place, Like you do painting sometimes and you
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do well. I usually paid, or I played video games, but I
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usually rant about this stuff for like the government, like in the background.
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Okay, yeah, I love ranting about the government. All right, Well,
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thank you Beck, and thank you guys for joining us. Let me
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just make sure I didn't miss any other sort of super chats or anything.
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No, it doesn't look like I don't want to deny anyone, But if
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you want to send us another one after the show is over, you can
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