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#1910 AI And You - Pete Shepherd · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's you project, it's it's too mad.
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  Speaker 1: It's one and a half meter Tiff, and it's one
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  Speaker 1: point seven eight meter fatty ups. Let's start with We'll
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  Speaker 1: start with the lady, Oh do you like gay? To
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  Speaker 1: Peter straight to Bee. I was waiting for it. I
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  Speaker 1: was waiting for that. That was too easy. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: then we'll get to Tiff. No, you couldn't even have
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  Speaker 1: to say it, Tiff, could you just not that the
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  Speaker 1: world needs to know? But fuck it? But could you just,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, feel free to have the microphone for thirty seconds?
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  Speaker 1: And I was going to say sixty. I retracted that
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  Speaker 1: as it was coming out of my gob But I
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  Speaker 1: spoke to you before, and you'd thrown the glow mesh
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  Speaker 1: in the share pile. You'd thrown the dummy in the
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  Speaker 1: bloody fire pit because you've got an event coming up
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  Speaker 1: and you've got to wear cocktail, and you didn't know
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  Speaker 1: exactly what that meant. So we had to chat gpt it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I hung up the phone and I thought,
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  Speaker 2: tiffany Cook of all people in the whole fucking world
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  Speaker 2: to ring and consult about this cocktail dressed Lemma, why
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  Speaker 2: did you choose Harps.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's because you didn't. One, you didn't ring for that.
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  Speaker 1: You you were just venting, I was you didn't you
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  Speaker 1: didn't ring for fashion advice?
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  Speaker 2: Well, just I don't understand why I have to wait
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  Speaker 2: till twenty four hours out from leaving for Queensland to
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  Speaker 2: be like, I wonder what we're supposed to wear and
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  Speaker 2: look for the details.
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  Speaker 1: Well you don't have to. You choose to. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's on you, dude, So don't don't fucking look
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  Speaker 1: out look within bros.
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  Speaker 2: Why I called Harps Pete, That's why I called Harps.
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  Speaker 3: That makes more sense than I called him to ask
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  Speaker 3: for fashion advice.
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  Speaker 1: Or Two. Did I give you sound advice or not?
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  Speaker 2: I think so?
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  Speaker 1: I think so. I said you've got to either completely
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  Speaker 1: frock up and go nuts, or you just got to
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  Speaker 1: go don't give a fuck and just turn up in goes.
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  Speaker 1: You know what Pete and I would do. So, although
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  Speaker 1: I reckon Pete probably owns more suits than me. How
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  Speaker 1: many suits do you own? Champ oh two or three?
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  Speaker 1: Probably two or three more than you? Is that right?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 1: Now I own one pretty much. Yeah. The Melbourne Museum
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  Speaker 1: has wrung me they want it an artifact. They put
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  Speaker 1: it next to Chromagnum and Astrolopithecus robust in the paleontology section.
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  Speaker 1: That's you know, that's like early humans, tiff the evolutionary timeline.
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  Speaker 1: I look confused. So anyway, what did you before we
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  Speaker 1: actually do a podcast? What did you decide?
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  Speaker 2: Well? I did duck out to DFO. I come out
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  Speaker 2: with donuts, but I did get a couple of nice
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  Speaker 2: pairs of shoes with to wear with the nothing that
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  Speaker 2: I have to wear, and the only dresses I do
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  Speaker 2: have in my wardrobe are a minimum of a decade old,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't want to wear them. They're a little
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  Speaker 2: bit too short.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I'm no fashionistic, but when I'm thinking of high
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  Speaker 1: level kind of impressed dress to impress cocktail party, DFO
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  Speaker 1: doesn't spring to mind.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm sure wasn't going to fucking Chadstin again
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  Speaker 2: that nearly gave after that.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, don't get angry at me. Just fucking temper yourself,
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  Speaker 1: will you.
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  Speaker 2: If anyone wants to submit a resume to be my
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  Speaker 2: new girly friend to help me with shopping, I need
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  Speaker 2: someone in this area of my life.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you truly do you do? And
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  Speaker 1: who you need to find? Someone? A girl who lady slasher,
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  Speaker 1: female advisor, or it could be a dude who knows
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  Speaker 1: how to make you look like a million dollars for
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  Speaker 1: one hundred.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean exactly, That's what I'm after.
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  Speaker 2: I've got some nice red heels. Though I do love
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  Speaker 2: a pair of red heels, I don't want to.
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  Speaker 3: I love I love the fact that you were pumped
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  Speaker 3: about your shoes, but nothing else has been purchased.
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  Speaker 1: This is great. Well, if there's one thing we can
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  Speaker 1: count on everybody, it's there will be one and a
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  Speaker 1: half million photos on TIFFs social media probably about Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: so stand by because she's not shy of photos. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: that's enough about that. Peete Shepherd, welcome back to the
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  Speaker 1: You Project. I'm sorry for that distraction. How are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'd be sorry. That's why I'm here. I'm here for
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  Speaker 3: these interactions between you and Tiff and to play the
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  Speaker 3: role of fly on the wall to let you to
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  Speaker 3: air your dirty laundry.
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  Speaker 1: It's good to be here. That's pretty much just a
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  Speaker 1: it's a thinly disguised excuse this podcast for tift event.
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  Speaker 1: That's all it is. Hey, what's going on on plannet? You?
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  Speaker 1: What day is today? It's Tuesday? Right? Why are you
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  Speaker 1: not Why you're not out talking of fat blokes in suits?
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  Speaker 1: Why are you not doing that Tuesday?
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  Speaker 3: For me?
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  Speaker 1: This week? Is it day at home? Right?
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  Speaker 3: To set the week up and work on a few things.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to Actually, there's a talk that maybe maybe
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  Speaker 3: I could workshop it with you in person. You mentioned
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  Speaker 3: chat GPT earlier, and so I'm sure that's something that
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  Speaker 3: you're noodling on at the moment. But I'm doing a
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  Speaker 3: talk in a week I think it is next week
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  Speaker 3: down on the Gold Coast around leadership and AI, which
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  Speaker 3: is obviously a topic that is a little bit buzzy
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  Speaker 3: and a little bit over it's going to become oversaturated.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a topic that I've been asked to speak
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  Speaker 3: on and I have a bunch of thoughts on it,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm noodling around how we should think about it,
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  Speaker 3: if we should think about.
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  Speaker 1: It at all? Well, definitely think, I think whether or
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  Speaker 1: not we want to think about it, it's proven that
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  Speaker 1: we do, do you know what I mean? It's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I think like there's a difference between being obsessed with
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  Speaker 1: it and thinking it's it's the best thing ever, and
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  Speaker 1: also it's the worst thing ever. I mean, the practical
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  Speaker 1: real world reality is that AI is tir it's not
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  Speaker 1: going away. And literally, somebody said to them, said to
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  Speaker 1: me the other day, I'm never going to use that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm I go, You're absolutely going to use it because
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  Speaker 1: you won't have a choice, you know, and because it's
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  Speaker 1: going to become more and more plugged into our day
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  Speaker 1: to day, and you won't have the option even when
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  Speaker 1: it's there might be something like shopping or whatever. But yeah, look,
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  Speaker 1: I just think that you know that the hysteria and
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  Speaker 1: the world's going to end, and we're all going to
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  Speaker 1: be overtaken, and they're about two and a half weeks
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  Speaker 1: away from being sentient and then now becoming self preserving
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  Speaker 1: and autonomous, and they're going to fucking kill us and
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  Speaker 1: we all need to move to a farm with solar panels.
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  Speaker 1: Probably a little bit of an overreaction, I agree, I do,
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  Speaker 1: but I do think, you know, for me, it's just
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  Speaker 1: I might change my mind on this, but right now
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  Speaker 1: where I sit, especially somebody doing a lot of research
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of reading and a lot of writing,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of you know, prepping, and it's a fun,
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  Speaker 1: an amazing resource. It's a tool, and it's like anything
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  Speaker 1: like I use social media for good and for me,
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  Speaker 1: social media has been a pretty good impact in my world,
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  Speaker 1: in my business, in my income, and in my capacity
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  Speaker 1: to reach people and help people and serve people. So
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  Speaker 1: all round, I'd say, on Planet Craig a good thing,
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  Speaker 1: but on other and Planet John it might be a
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  Speaker 1: terrible thing, depending on the relationship that he or she
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  Speaker 1: whoever that is, has with that thing. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: just think it depends on how we use it and
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  Speaker 1: how we interact with it.
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  Speaker 3: Mate, what about you? Yeah, I mean I have a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: One is.
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  Speaker 3: I like what you described as almost instead of AI
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  Speaker 3: being artificial intelligence, it's almost like amplifying intention. It's like,
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  Speaker 3: what's your what's your intention? Is it to research? Then
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  Speaker 3: how can you use this as a tool to really
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  Speaker 3: amplify that to do a shit more research in a
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  Speaker 3: short period of time than you would have if you
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  Speaker 3: were walking into a library and looking at barcodes as
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  Speaker 3: we used to back in the day on old computers,
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  Speaker 3: or even a Google search, you can you can really
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  Speaker 3: amplify that intention of wanting to do thorough research in
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  Speaker 3: a way that is way quicker and not perfect, by
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  Speaker 3: the way, like humans, and like any other form of research,
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  Speaker 3: not perfect, but still pretty freaking useful and pretty amazing
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  Speaker 3: at what it can do if used for the right thing.
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  Speaker 3: I tend to agree. I tend to agree. And part
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  Speaker 3: of my rant next week that I'm working on is
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  Speaker 3: how do you help leaders see it as a tool
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  Speaker 3: to make them even more human centered? And like, what's
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  Speaker 3: the how do we think of these tools as less
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  Speaker 3: about artificial and more about like, if I use this
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  Speaker 3: to help me build empathy with the person that I'm
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  Speaker 3: about to have a hard conversation with, is that not
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  Speaker 3: a tool that's actually enabling humanity in some way and
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  Speaker 3: enabling me to be a more connected, more royal, rounded,
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  Speaker 3: human centered leader than thinking about it as a way
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  Speaker 3: to help you solve math problems, which is less about
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  Speaker 3: being human said it more just about like hard and
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  Speaker 3: fast facts.
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  Speaker 1: So that's kind of my.
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  Speaker 3: Two cents at the moment, which will become probably forty
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  Speaker 3: five cents by the end of this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I love that. I love that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: ultimately it is, you know, it's something that we can
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  Speaker 1: use to help us get things done better if we
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  Speaker 1: use it the right way. You know, I heard this
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  Speaker 1: quote earlier today and I thought that can't be true.
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  Speaker 1: That can't be true, and I had to go and
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  Speaker 1: look it up. So here's the quote. Now, this was
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  Speaker 1: from They don't know the year, but I think it
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  Speaker 1: was just before ninth so maybe ninety eight forty nine,
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  Speaker 1: pre nine fifty. So this is what Albert Einstein said.
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  Speaker 1: It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded
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  Speaker 1: our humanity. Imagine what you think now. Thank god, that's wild.
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  Speaker 1: That was seventy five plus years ago. That's wild. It's
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  Speaker 1: become appalling obvious that our technology has succeeded our humanity.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, you should see what's going on now. Bro,
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  Speaker 1: you've been rolling in your bloody virtual grave. Yeah you know, hey,
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  Speaker 1: what about this? Mate? This is funny speaking about how
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  Speaker 1: it's like humans have a really natural tendency to anthropomorphize things,
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: you know, dogs and cats and animals. But also like
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  Speaker 1: my mum, every one of my mum's cars since I
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  Speaker 1: was a kid, has a name, right, she she names
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  Speaker 1: her cars.
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  Speaker 3: This is something my wife would do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and so like and she names dad's cars.
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  Speaker 1: So Dad's car as Max and Mum's car as Emma. Right,
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  Speaker 1: And so she doesn't say, are we going to take
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  Speaker 1: you know the nis and or the whatever the bloody toyota.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, will we take you know Max? Or will
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  Speaker 1: we take Emma? Right? So, my, but chat GPT is
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  Speaker 1: now building relationships or in gen or more broadly AI.
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  Speaker 1: People are building relationships with with AI, and I put
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  Speaker 1: relationships in air quotes, right, But people are for what
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  Speaker 1: from the outside looking in? Okay, So they trust it,
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  Speaker 1: they tell it things, they ask it for insight and feedback.
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  Speaker 1: They allow it to make them feel good and praise them.
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  Speaker 1: It's eliciting emotional responses, right. This is not fucking far
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  Speaker 1: from two humans interacting. It's kind of like pursuant to that,
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  Speaker 1: your honor. So the other night, which was Saturday night,
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  Speaker 1: I thought I might post something on install and I thought,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what is Saturday night? A shit night?
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  Speaker 1: The posters is a good night. So I jumped on
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  Speaker 1: old mate and I said, what's the best time to
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  Speaker 1: post tonight on Instagram? And so chat GPT now, remember
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  Speaker 1: this is Saturday night, chat GP said to me, for
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  Speaker 1: tonight Friday night in Australia, the best time to post
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  Speaker 1: is and then it went on right, so it fucked
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  Speaker 1: up the night and I said, it's Saturday in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Have you been drinking? With a laughing emoji and then
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  Speaker 1: it goes to Shay Craig with a laughing face. No
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  Speaker 1: booze here, just a rogue temporal lobe. I'm like, are
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  Speaker 1: you me? Motherfucker like? And then it goes on to
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  Speaker 1: answer my question relevant or relative to sat it. I
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  Speaker 1: mean that the level of and I know it's all programming.
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  Speaker 1: I know it's not a human we all get that,
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  Speaker 1: but the sense of humanity is fucking terrifying. And personalization,
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  Speaker 1: I think in particular, it's like reusing your own kind
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  Speaker 1: of language based on your interactions that you had with
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  Speaker 1: it so far. So then for me, I think about it, so,
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  Speaker 1: how do you harness the good of that? Like, how
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  Speaker 1: do I take the fact that this thing could personalize
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  Speaker 1: feedback or ideas or god forbid, provide me coaching that
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  Speaker 1: is actually personalized to me based on what it knows
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  Speaker 1: about me. And so the way I'm thinking about this is,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I think about it in so many ways. Well,
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  Speaker 1: one of the ways I think about it, this is
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  Speaker 1: giving before the interaction I have, giving it a role
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  Speaker 1: to take on. And so the most common role that
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  Speaker 1: I encourage leads to use not to talk myself out
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  Speaker 1: of a job, because I think there'll always be a
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  Speaker 1: role at the moment.
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  Speaker 3: TOUCH would for human interaction and human coaching, but I
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  Speaker 3: think of I tell leaders all the time, say to
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  Speaker 3: your chat TPT or Gemina, take on the role of
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  Speaker 3: world class leadership coach. Here is a situation I find
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  Speaker 3: myself in, or here's the conversation I need to have,
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  Speaker 3: or here's where I'm stuck. What do you think I
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  Speaker 3: should do? And the questions and the responses that it
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  Speaker 3: will get give you are like super impressive based on
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  Speaker 3: the context that you've already given it in other interactions
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  Speaker 3: and the fact that it has a corpus of data
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  Speaker 3: from every single article that's ever been written about leadership
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  Speaker 3: coaching or insert whatever you want coaching, and you can
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  Speaker 3: then respond to the questions it asks you, and then
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  Speaker 3: it asks you another question, and on and on it goes,
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  Speaker 3: and you end up having this like dialogue with like
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned, a bot that is actually pretty conducive to
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  Speaker 3: a pretty good coaching conversation. The thing I like about
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  Speaker 3: it is you you would know this more than anyone.
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  Speaker 3: Coaching doesn't scale necessarily one on one, and so in
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  Speaker 3: the context of leadership coaching, all of a sudden, it
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  Speaker 3: democratizes access to useful development and helpful personal reflection to
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  Speaker 3: maybe an entire organization twenty four to seven that is
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  Speaker 3: tailored to them. Now that's just one narrow example of
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  Speaker 3: leadership coaching. Then you go down the path of like
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  Speaker 3: what if it helps you with you know, as your
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  Speaker 3: communications expert take on the role of world class comms consultants,
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  Speaker 3: review the transcript of this meeting that I just facilitated.
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  Speaker 3: What feedback do you have for me? How can I
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  Speaker 3: facilitate better? Who did too much of the talking and why?
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  Speaker 1: Or I did that?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm trying to do this as a live example,
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  Speaker 3: which I'll share in my talk. Here's the first draft
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  Speaker 3: of this talk I have to give the keynote next week.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the audience take on the role of world class
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  Speaker 3: speaking coach. How we make it better? What am I missing?
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  Speaker 3: What am I not doing? And I'm going to say
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  Speaker 3: the feedback is crazy impressive, Like it's really impressive. Sometimes
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  Speaker 3: it's just I'll do a voice memo of me just
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  Speaker 3: talking shit and say this is a ramble. I'm thinking
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  Speaker 3: it could be a keynote. Help me structure that, and
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  Speaker 3: it would be like, all right, here's what I think
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  Speaker 3: you said, here's how you could actually structure it. Here's
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  Speaker 3: a story you should use, here's your punchline. He's do
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  Speaker 3: a Q and A here, and like gives you a
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  Speaker 3: pretty good basis.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 3: I think the thing about the outputs that we get
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  Speaker 3: that I think a lot about is our level of
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  Speaker 3: discernment is just as if not more critical, because to
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  Speaker 3: your point, it will tell you the wrong date, it
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  Speaker 3: will tell you something that is not true from time
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  Speaker 3: to time, and so if you don't have any level
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  Speaker 3: of discernment or critical thinking, you're going to end up
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  Speaker 3: taking a bunch of what it says to be true
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  Speaker 3: that's not true. And that I think is the risk, yes,
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  Speaker 3: one of the risks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm trying to use it every day in all
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  Speaker 3: sorts of capacities and that there are a couple like you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that that knowing it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: like owning a Formula one car, and all I know
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  Speaker 1: how to do is sit in it and back it
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  Speaker 1: out of the drive at the moment. Do you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, It's like this incredible thing that can
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  Speaker 1: do all this crazy shit and I can just you know,
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  Speaker 1: reverse at twelve feet. That's like, but it's got so
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  Speaker 1: much capacity and ability that me compared to it depending
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  Speaker 1: on the measure of intelligence that we're talking about. But
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  Speaker 1: if we're talking about knowledge base, well I'm a fucking
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  Speaker 1: eggplant compared to chat JPT. Right, I'm a fucking moccasin
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  Speaker 1: with a stinky foot in it. Right. So, but it's
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  Speaker 1: trying to trying to know how how do I even
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  Speaker 1: ask the question like what is the Because the quality
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  Speaker 1: of the output is dependent on the quality of the
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  Speaker 1: prompt and the question. So you ask dumb fucking questions,
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  Speaker 1: you're wasting. You know, you're backing the f one out
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  Speaker 1: of the garage and driving it back in. You're not
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  Speaker 1: going around Albert Park at three hundred k's with your
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  Speaker 1: fucking wind in your hair in the wind. You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's that, yeah, how do I And so
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  Speaker 1: I think we need to train ourselves to know how
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: to optimize this, you know, and in this conversation, I
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: don't know the difference between you and Tiff. But if
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: tif's are seven out of ten in tech, I'm a two.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: But then if we compare me and my dad, well
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I'm an eleven and he's a one. Right, So it's
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: all context dependent. But I think being scared of AI
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: and being scared of advancing resources and evolving resources is
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: one understandable, but two not healthy because it ain't going away. Now,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean your life's got to revolve around it
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: or you've got to be dependent on it. But so
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: pursuant to this conversation, the other day, Melissa goes, I'm
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: just going to send you something, tell me what you think,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: and she sent me an audio file and it was
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: twenty six minutes or something. Tiff, I, I told you
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: this about my lit review. No, No, so one of
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the papers that I'm doing for my PhD. So I'm
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: writing three papers that hopefully will be published in academic journals.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I've done mine, I've finished, it's been sent off. I've
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: finished the second one, but it's in the kind of
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: final draft state, right, still fucking round with it. The
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: third ones underway, and anyway, it doesn't matter. But so
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: what Melissa did was she put my lit review, which is,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: by the way, I don't know, thirty thousand words, seventy
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: five pages. It's a systematic literature view where I started
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: with eleven hundred give or take studies research papers and
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: did a review and whittled it down to one hundred
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: and thirteen papers that my paper focused on basically the
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: output and the findings of all of these papers, looking
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: at how meta accuracy, in other words, how accurately you
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: can understand how others see you, how this has been
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: evaluated and researched across different domains, and all of these things. Right,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: it's two years of work this one paper. So she
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: plugs in this paper that we've written. So it's a
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: collaborative effort because you have three or four people working
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: on the paper. I'm the lead researcher because I'm the student,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: but you know, other people look at it. But anyway,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: so plugged in this paper, and she sends me a
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: twenty six minute podcast which took three minutes to produce
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: of this Lady and man, I use that in you know,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: into Commas, having a conversation about this new paper that's
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: just come out. Yeah, it's fucking it. Almost made me cry.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, it's fucking amazing, So all I've
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: got to do is and I may or may not.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about putting it up as an episode
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I spoke the other day. I riffed a little bit
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: about my research in some detail, just to try to
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: explain it to people. But honestly, they do a better
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: job than I do, because it's just so much right
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: in terms of like disseminating a lot of work and
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of jargon and a lot of academic theory
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: and language. These two people in inverted commas, a lady
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: and a guy are just having this conversation about this
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: new research paper, this new systematic literature review and the findings,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and it's a podcast about my paper, and honestly, it's
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: you would not know. It literally sounds like two real
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: people having a chat. Yeah, it's mine. And that took
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: and not only that, it distilled seventy pages of content
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: and produced a twenty six minute podcast in minutes, in minutes,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and it's all right, it's all fucking I don't even
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: It just blows my mind. Yeah.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I think your point around the quality of the input
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: determines the quality the output is such a profound one.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: One of the things I think about terms of the
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: back to this, how do we help humans see that
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: this can enable us to be more human or more
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: effective as humans? Is like that is true when you
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: have a conversation with a person, I mean you two
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: would know this. When you're coaching someone, the quality of
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: the question that you ask the person will determine the
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: quality of the response they give you. And sometimes you'll
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: ask your question and you'll get a response in a
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: coaching conversation and you'll be like, huh, that's not quite
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: I didn't quite nail that question. Let me try a
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: different question, or yes, that's not exactly what I think
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: you mean. Tell me more about what you mean by that. Like,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: people who are spending most of their days focused on
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: asking great questions of humans, I think are uniquely set
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: up to succeed in their interactions with these technologies. And conversely,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: if you want to get better at coaching people or
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: asking questions, it's a pretty good way to practice is
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: to ask ai for to take on the role of
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: like coach client and practice asking questions on it and
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: just see what happens. Because you, like you said, the
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: quality of your question one center termine the quality of
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: your output.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: And let's let's add another layer to what you're saying.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Let's add a metaperception layer to this, because the right
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: question for Tiff might be the wrong question for the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: next forty two year old chick, you know what I mean,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: And the question that will totally make sense to Tiff
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: will be psychobabble to someone else. Yeah, so it's not
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: not even just the right question, but the right language
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and the right energy for that energy is the wrong word,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the right language, the right approach for that person. Yeah,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I agree. You know. It's like when someone goes to me,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: how does that make you feel? I want to punch
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: him in the face? Wrong question for me? Right for me?
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, fucking now, how does that make you feel?
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Fuck off?
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: By the way, I wouldn't punch anyone in the face.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Let me say anymore, but I just feel like it,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: you know. But it's like it's even for me. Sometimes
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I roll my eyes. I'm like, oh my god, ask
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: me a better question. Please ask me a better question, you.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Know, And because you want to provide a better output,
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: but you kind of can't unless you get the better question.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: So it's I think there's a parallel here too, Like people,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I feel like in conversations I hear with people talking
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: about AI, people are really grappling and understanding with like,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Oh I get it. The better question I ask, all,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: the more context I give, the better response I get,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: and I feel like going. You know, the same is
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: true with humans, Like are you aware that when you
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: walk into a meeting and give no context and talk
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: at people without asking any questions, of course they don't
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: understand what you're talking about because your input is terrible quality.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Think about the quality of the input. Yeah, And then
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: a sidebar. I think this relates to the one of
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: the slightly creepy but really awesome prompts I've seen us
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: and I've done this myself is when you say something like,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: based on everything you know about me, yeah, give me
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: some feedback on what I might be really good at
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: and what some of my blind spots might be, or
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: you know, to go down one of your rabbit holes
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: of like, what would the you experience be of me
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: based on all of our interactions? And the response it
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: can give you is fucking wild, Like how accurate it
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: called me out of my blind spots and I was like,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: holy shit, how did you get that just based on
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: our interactions?
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: That's kind of creepy. Yeah. Yeah, but again, it's all
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: to help you to be more self aware. I think. Well,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: there's a very famous saying that you've heard, everyone's heard,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I think, but it's by an author who I've quoted
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: ten times over the years. Her name's a Naas Nin
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and she said, we don't see things as they are,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: We see things as we are. Right, that's good, which
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: speaks to this whole subjective version of my life. It's like,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: there's what's going on, and then there's my version of
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: what's going on, and they ain't the same. There's my world,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: and there's Pete's world and tips world, and then there's
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: the world. You know, objective, subjective. But the problem is
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: that a lot of people think their subjective experience is
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: an objective reality. And that's when the shit hits the fan.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: So true, so true. You don't even recognize that you
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: have a lens through which you look. Yeah, you just
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: think that's the world. That's not the world, dude, No,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: that's your version of the world. Yeah, ergo, you know,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: three of us in the same conversation, none of us
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: in the same reality.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: That's pretty Yeah. It reminds me of when you run
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: a workshop and you get you know, someone in the
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: feedback form afterwards will be like, that was the best
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: workshop I've ever been a part of, and then someone
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: else who are into the very same session and be like, eh,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: bit of a waste of my time. To be honest,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: we were in the same room talking about the same thing,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: but these two people just have like a totally opposite
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: experience of it based on their own reality.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Correct correct or even you know, like on because I'm
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: very sweary and I push the button a bit in
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: all the envelope or or at least on Instagram, and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the same thing that I know if I write you know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: something with bad words in it, which I did last night,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I put up a post and it gets a bigger
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: than normal response, probably two, three, four, ten x, depending
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: on what. But I'll always get an email from someone
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: basically saying I thought you were more intelligent than that.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I'm so disappointed in you. I'm going to unfollow you,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: like I respected you all this stuff, and I'm like,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. But the disparity between
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: someone going oh mate, you're hilarious, that's great, and someone
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: else going, you're disgusting. You need to go to some
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: mirrors from the same stimulus. And by the way, I'm
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: not saying that the person who's negative, I'm not saying
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: they're right. I'm just saying I'm fascinated by the divergence
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: of responses and how both of those people, both of
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: those responders think they're right unequiped.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Right in their own head. They're right in their own head.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Because no one wakes up in the morning going I'm
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: going to behave like an irrational idiot today. I'm just
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: going to get offended at everything, and I'm going to
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: just walk through the world and piss everyone off. Everyone
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: wakes up and wants to believe they're acting rationally with
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: thought and that their perception of the world is the
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: same as everyone else's. That's fascinating.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: So there's two things I want to ask you. I'm
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: going to put on. The first one is so as
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: much or as little as you want to divulge, you
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: know this is not at all a vulnerability test. What
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: what was the feedback from AI that told you you
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: need to do better? Like what to go? Hey, look,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: you're good at this, but you suck at that? What
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: was that?
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: The paraphrase was you are constantly seeking more insight and
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: examples and clarification for the things that you're interested in
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: rather than going to do so. Kind of like stop
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: asking me how to make this keynote better and just
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: go and do the keynote. That was kind of how
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: I interpreted it. And I was like, I mean, firstly,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: good point, chats empty, good point, fair enough, I'll take
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: that on the gin. But also also, isn't that why
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: you're here? For me to clarify things and ask you
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: things and for you to help me make them better.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: So I was a bit like I was actually not annoyed,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: but I was very like.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: You were definitely annoyed because it's true because it's you know,
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: like I don't know there would have been an example
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: in there of my toddler has a small rash on
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: his right knee, Like what should I be doing about that?
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: It's like constant seeking validation that I was doing the
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: right thing, or being the right dad, or thinking about
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: my keynote in the right way. And I think this
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: goes to honestly, it goes to something that I'm aware
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: of in my self, which is that I have this
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: tendency to always be looking for the A because at school,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I was really freaking good at finding the A, figuring
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: out how to get an A, and getting the A. Yeah,
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: And it served me at school because I got a
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: bunch of a's, But it doesn't serve me in many
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: ways now because I'm constantly looking for someone to go, yeah, man,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: you got the A, to the point where my my
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: chat GPT is like, stop asking me for the A, dude.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Oh that is so good. That is And isn't it funny?
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: How like where we get our sense of self worth
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: or self esteem or you know, positive reinforcements or you know,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: for me, because I wasn't you. I wasn't getting the a's.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: For me. It was always about my biceps or how
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: well I could do whatever, right, yes, yeah, and then yeah,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and you just keep going back there. It's like, have
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: you seen my veins? Like before we started, you said
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: you look fucking skinny, and a little bit of me went, huh.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I met it as a compliment that I totally and
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I said to you, well, I've spent most of the
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: last ten years at eighty five and right now I'm
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: at eighty one, so you're actually right, I am. I
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: am skinnier, Pete skinny. Yeah, don't tell whole bodybuilders. They
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: look skinny, vascular, looking very vascular. It was definitely the winner.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, TIFF's got the chief. I did not get the
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: A this time around. I did not get the A.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: But it is funny how we do that, and it
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: is funny how we carry that that childhood stuff. But
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I want to go just momentarily and then we can
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: go wherever you like. Back to the question thing, Like
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: we're talking about what's the you know, what's the best
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: question for Tiff versus Don versus John versus Brian and Brian.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: But then there's the what's the best question? What's the
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: question I should ask myself? Like, what's that's the question
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I should ask me that I'm not asking me? I mean,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the hard, uncomfortable, the fucking I don't want to ask
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: this question because I know the answer. So I'm just
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: going to stay up here in my denial and my
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: avoidance and my fuck off. I'm too busy. I'll get
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: to that later. And now I'm sixty boom. You know,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: it's like, what's that question? Why? Why? Do I And
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: this I've had this many times with people about lots
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: of things, but one that a lot of people will identify,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: so their relationship with food, Like a lot of people
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: just do and there's no judgment in this. This is
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: just my experience. This is my anecdotal evidence everyone. But
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: just the amount of people who simultaneously say to me,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I want to be fitter and healthier and a bit leaner,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: while on the same day putting shit in their body consciously,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I'm like, let's I'm not hating on you, I'm not
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: judging you, but let's leave into that. As Pete Shepherd
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: would say, let's lean into that with some curiosity and
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: go tell me about that, because you're not dumb, you're
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: you're pretty highly intelligent. And by the way, there's no wagon,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and you didn't fall off it. There's no wagon to
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: fall off, so fuck your metaphors. You made a decision,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: so let's just call it what it is. You didn't
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: accidentally eat the cake or do all those things. And
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: by the way, I wouldn't care, but you brought it up.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: You came to me and said, I do not look
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: like sorry, I do not like how I look or
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: how I feel or how my body works, and I
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: went cool, I'm an exercise scientist. I can help. And
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: then you went, all right, here are my issues. And
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: then on the way home you stopped at McDonald's. Let's
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: chat about that. You know. So, I think those questions
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: that we ask ourselves are the scary ones, but potentially
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: the transformational ones. Totally agree.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, I love that as a prompt not to
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: just put everything back into that how do we ask that?
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: But be fascinated if I asked it, what's the question
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: you think I'm avoiding? I wonder what response I'd get.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: That'd be fascinating.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, think right, exactly what's.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: The question I should ask myself?
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you wanted to answer. The one
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: that came to mind was I guess for me? Off
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: the back of what we just said, there's probably a
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: question like there's probably a question like how do you
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: give yourself an a for me?
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Rather than relying or expecting external validation for the thing
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: that you're doing and waiting for it's okay because someone
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: else said it was, or it's good enough because someone
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: said it was. What does it look like to give
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: that to yourself and how do you do that? More
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: and more I could see myself having a little spiral
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: and a midlife crissis off the back of that question. Yeah,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: are you a person? I don't know if this is true.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: This is curiosity not assumption. Are you a person that
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you I feel like you really like being like knowing
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: what's coming, being in control, being very prepped, cross your
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: t's dot your eyes, like leave nothing to chance? Is
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: that you not?
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Probably?
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: But it looks different than I think what most people
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: think of when they think that, Like, I'll walk into
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: you and I have talked about this before, but I'll
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: walk into a workshop or a keynote, for example, with
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: a few ideas in my head on what I want
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: to talk about, not like here's my script that I'm
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: going to recite and replicate. So I want to say no,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: because I'm like, I'm quite comfortable in the ambiguity of
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: where's this thing going to go. However, you could argue that, well,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: you know, you're only comfortable doing that because you have
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: a pretty good idea of where things are going, and
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: you're prepped enough in your skilled facilitation. If you want
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: to call it that, that you're confident that you'll go,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: you'll be able to handle whatever gets thrown your way.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: So not to like dodge your question, because I kind
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: of feel like I am, but I guess there is
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: a preparation there, but it doesn't look and feel like
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: what I think of when I think of preparation. If
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: that makes any sense whatsoever.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: We're diverging a little bit. No, that makes sense, and
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I think, like with you, for example, we were chatting
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: about nothing to do with what we're chatting about now
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: before we started recording, and I went, hey, I've got
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: a meeting. We should start. Literally twelve seconds later we
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: started with nobody even said what are we going to
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: talk about? Like we did not We did not share
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: one word about what the content of this might be
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: or what we might do. But like back to this
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: thing of like just turning up to feel free to
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: edit any of this or chuck it out if I
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: say anything that I shouldn't say. But am I allowed
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: to say that you've been doing a course, which is
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: part of you know, all you're presenting stuff? Is that okay?
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: So so Tiff and I have been chatting about this
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: course that she's doing where it's helping her because she's
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: now she's in the space, she's speaking to companies and teams,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: and she's doing the thing right. And I think part
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: of the challenge for her, for example, is she's going
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: into this environment where there's like, well there's a bit
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: of a process and there's a model, and it's not
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: cookie cutter, but like it's almost like there's a template
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: and in this period of time we do this. So
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: it's somewhat formulaic, which is not bad because I think
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: formulas or formulae more correctly have a place. But then
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: at the same time, she's a metaphoric dog with three dicks, right,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: she just goes where she goes, and she's a bit
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: freestyle and a bit loosey goosey, and a little bit
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: just relies on instinct intuition and with a lot of
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: things make stuff up, not as in you know, not
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: as in lying. But and I do a lot of
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the same, and I think you do a lot of
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: the same. What's the balance between like, when you want
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: to get somewhere being strategic or you want to produce
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: a good outcome, whether or not that's to be a
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: world class speaker or a build a business or whatever
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: it is, like how much strategy and structure and how
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: much intuition and instinct. I don't know that there's an
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: answer to that, but maybe if you could just talk
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: about it for.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Sure if you things come to mind for me. One
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: is I guess it depends on what your definition of
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: success is. If part of your definition of success is
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: to have a packaged up, highly replicable and repeatable keynote
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: that you can go on a speaking tour and do
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: the same thing and heap of money doing, then maybe
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: the templated approach is right for you, because we know
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: plenty of people that do do that and us very
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: successful of that. Versus if it's too I don't know,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: to create change within a room based on where people
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: are at all the challenges they have for you, then
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: that will look very different. Like I think back to
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: what I ultimately think you to do really well and
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: I try and do is meet people where they're at.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: And I think the only way to do that well,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: not the only, but one of the best ways to
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: do that is to have permission and flexibility in your
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: approach so that you can get a sense of where
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: people are at and then go and meet them there.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: If you come in with your pre written script or
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: your absolute scripted formula, that you do not deviate from
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: what I promise you'll find is there's somewhere sometime there'll
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: be an audience that is like, you are completely misreading
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: this room and what we need right now.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: I guess it's a philosophy that I think about a
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: lot which is within structure their lives freedom. And so
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: I think you can give yourself a structure, which is
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: often for me time or a loose structure of Okay, well,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: using time, we say we've got two hours, I want
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: to do roughly four thirty minute sections. And at the
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: end of each of those thirty minutes actions, maybe there'll
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: be a breakout or an interaction. Okay, cool, And so
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: the ordering of those four might differ. The story I
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: tell to articulate. The point of the third one might
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: differ depending on what's in the room. So I've given
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: myself a structure, and I have some clarity in what
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to do or what I hope will happen.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: But I guess the freedom is in the how. It's
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: the how you get there, and in my experience, the
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: best way, the how is to get a sense of
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: what again, where the audience is at and try and
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: meet them there. Like ultimately we're talking about empathy. What's
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: important to this person in the room or these people
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: in the room, and how do I help them get
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: from where they are right now to where they want
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: to go? I think that's I think that's the the
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: secret source of what you two do really well.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Tiff, how does that go with you? How did you like?
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: How are you? How are you kind of going with
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: this freestyle you spontaneous, organic you and the the you know,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: learning this or being in the part of this kind
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: of program.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I feel like as I as I go through it,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of it is that feel similar to
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: how I already structure and do that loose planning and chunking.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: But then there's all of these other processes of getting
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: there that we're implementing. And then there's a bunch of
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: learning that I'm doing, which is what I wanted was
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: what might I learn about the stuff I don't even
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: know that I don't know yet? So I love that stuff,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: but I am super frustrated by the way of thinking
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: that I'm not used to and the places it takes
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: my brain that I don't want to have to go,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: and then I want to throw in the bloody towel
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: and tell them all to get stuff and go I'm
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: not doing it your way.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I'm doing it my way.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: And then I'm like, well, this is the whole point
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: of it was to learn, so just go through the
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: process and take what you need. But it's good, it's hard,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: it's frustrating, it's exciting. At times, I get defensive about
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: it because I'm like, no.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I've never done.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Of course I've done, and I've never had you know,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I've never had a bad experience, and so I shouldn't
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: have to do it this way. And it's like, well,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: you chose to do this, so shut up and knew
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: the course.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: That's such an awesome attitude, by the way of like
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: the fact that you're putting yourself in that situation to
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: get annoyed when you have every right to keep doing
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: what you're doing because it was working. And yeah, I
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: mean I find that inspiring to go. I mean, even
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: thinking back to my response like yeah, but have you
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: ever you know, I don't know, gone to a workshop
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: where they teach you the best scripted way to write
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: a keynote. No, I haven't because I haven't necessarily thought
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: that that's my style. But maybe I'm avoiding learning something
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: that I might learn if I did that.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love I love being in a room and
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: watching speakers that I've never heard speak like good at
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: what they do, but I've never I don't know their content,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know their style. I don't know them, or
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: maybe I know of them, but I've never heard them.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: And especially I mean, obviously it's more importantly when they're good.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Even if somebody ruggles or somebody's not landing, you can
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: still learn a lot, right, And just I take away
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: stuff from that where I go, oh, that was so good.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I never even thought of talking about that that way,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: or the way that they have a particular skill at this,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: or just the way that they walk to the edge
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: of the stage and stand still and look and don't
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: say anything for like ten seconds. It's like she's saying
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: nothing and she's saying a million things. How is this possible?
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Is she fucking magic? You know? It's just like there's
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh that you would not think that doing
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: nothing can be so powerful. But depending on what's going
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: on in the moment, sometimes that nothing is exactly what
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: the whole room needs and who would even think of that?
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm back to that up, but back to that
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: idea of like, how do you meet the audience where
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: they're at the right pause at the right time from
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: the right person could be just what they need. I
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: also have that experience of you know, you might be going, oh, interesting,
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I would have used a story
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: like that or framed something that way, And then you
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: like look around and everyone is just on the edge
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: of the seat, like loving the way that they told
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: that story. I go, Okay, check your bias is Pete,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: maybe you should be telling stories in that way because
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: everyone's loving it. So like, what are you missing that
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: you're blocking out because of your own preferences?
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, And I mean this all kind of just
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: this talking to an audience that extrapolates like it could
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: be an audience of five hundred at Crown, or it
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: could be an audience of one at the dinner table, right,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: it could be one person. It's like, how do I
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: talk to my kid about this thing versus my other
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: kid who's real different to this kid? Well, how do
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I talk to my mom? Like if I want to
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: get something across to my mum versus my dad. It's
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: like two different species. It's like a cat and a dog.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: It's like they're so different, you know. And the way
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: that I need to communicate to my dad to create
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: connection yes and ah, I don't know real kind of
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: any kind of breakthrough is totally different to my mum,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and they basically joined at the hip, you know.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think of that as practical empathy.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: And sometimes when I'm working with corporates and you start
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: talking about okay, so let's think about how we could
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: empathize with the people we're working with or the people
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: we're coaching or whatever, you get people that rotherise and go,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, empathy. We've all heard about empathy before. But
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: I think if you look at it practically, people inherently
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: know that you talk to your mum differently than you
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: talk to your dad, or you talk to your toddler
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Pete far differently than you talk to your wife. And
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: the reason we know that is because we have enough
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: empathy to go, oh, I know what that person needs
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: right now, and they need me to frame things in
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: a certain way or explain it in a certain way
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: or use a particular story, and that insight is to
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: your point, that's how you connect with people one on one,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: but it's actually also how you connect with audio, like
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: what does this room need right now? And how do
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: I meet them there?
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of high level guessing in that,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: right because, of course, because you've got fifty different personalities
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: and fifty different backgrounds and brains and minds and experiences
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: and windows through which they're observing, judging and interpreting you.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: And as you said, someone's sitting there going, he's a
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: fucking dickhead, and someone else is like, where's this guy
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: been all my life? He's a genius. I wonder if
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: he's written a book? And can I have a photo?
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: And can I have a hug? And I have people
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: that want to punch me in the face and other
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: people that want to hug me at the same event,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I'm like to both at once. One person hugs me
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: while the other.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: I think it was Seth Godin who said to me
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: one day, when you're doing a talk like that, find
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: your allies and speak to them and like, literally look
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: the person in the eye that looks like they're the
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: person that wants to hug you most for a little
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: longer than you think necessary, engage them in eye contact,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: and just channel your energy to them, and that all
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, other people will pick up on the
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: fact that there's like a really cool human, authentic connection happening,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: and they'll start to lean into that rather than kind
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: of spraying and praying where you're just kind of scanning
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: the room the whole one hundred and fifty people at
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: a time. If you look someone in the eye that's
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: leaning in and nodding and smiling, and you're like, oh,
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: that's one of my allies right there, and you talk
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: to them, it's almost like other people pick up on that,
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: And I think about it all the time, versus staring
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: at the guy that's sitting there with his arms cross,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: going look at this there with like what a wanker.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm sitting here awayte my time with
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: this guy. There's no point channeling any energy towards that person.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: And how good is it when you feel a little
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: bit like you're spinning your wheels and there's just you know,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: you sphink, there's just closed a bit, you know, and
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: you look out and you see one persons why. There's
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: always why. One person's like, yeah, that makes sense, yeah,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: and they're nodding, and then I'm like, think, fuck for
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: you exactly, that that person. It's just like a bit
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: of a godsend where it's like, oh, my little angel,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: my little self esteem builder in the moment, thank you.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: They're giving me the A. They're giving me the A.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking for one And it's not because
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I'm doing a good job. It's because they're just a
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: really nice impact exactly. They feel sorry for me, and
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: they're trying to compensate for all the other motherfuckers that
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: are glaring at me like I'm a bor on. So
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: they're overdoing and on the smiling and the nodding. But
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: I'm buying in anyway.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: There's a people pleaser in the crowd, and I'm buying
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: into what they're putting.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Now. I love it. Oh yeah yeah. And people that
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: the same person that laughs at all your stupid shit.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Hey mate, we love talking to you. You're a gun.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Tell people how they can enjoy more of the Pea
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Shepherd experience.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: Human periscope dot com is the website that has all
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: the things that you might want to get in touch
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: and reach out at any point.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I'm happy to chat. Giddy up, but a cup tiff
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: On behalf of the Pete night. We wish you well
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: for tomorrow night's good luck outing. We hope you find
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: a prospective partner because we know you've said yourself, the
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: clock's ticking and you know, no pressure. But and at
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: this stage if you're going tomorrow night. By the way,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: she's not fussy, so that's a joke. Everyone, don't send
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: me an email and make sure you compliment her on
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: the red shoes. Make sure she may well be the
• 49:35
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