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Canelo Alvarez vs. Terence Crawford Round by Round Recap! Rematch? What's Next For Canelo and Bud? · The Rope A Dope Radio Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, you what up, boxing fans. This is the Rope
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: of Dope Radio podcast. I am your host, Chris Carlson.
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  Speaker 1: We are live on a Tuesday night. I hope everybody's
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  Speaker 1: doing okay. Terrence Bud Crawford. I mean, golly, this guy, man, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: what he's done throughout his career, but especially late in
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  Speaker 1: his career from a standpoint of quality wins in his
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  Speaker 1: rise and start them, you know, Beaten Spence and now
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  Speaker 1: beaten Canelo. You almost wish that, hey, please fight for
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  Speaker 1: a couple more years, you know. But also in the
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  Speaker 1: flip side, does Crawford go out in the sunset? As
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  Speaker 1: much as I want him to carry the torch, you know,
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  Speaker 1: for the next couple of years of boxing. There's something
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  Speaker 1: about watching a boxer going on top and that rarely
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  Speaker 1: rarely happens. So shouts out to Terrence Crawford. He fought
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  Speaker 1: the best defensive fight that I've seen him fight. And
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  Speaker 1: we'll get into the details what's next. We kind of
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  Speaker 1: hear that there might be a rematch. We kind of
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  Speaker 1: hear that Crawford may still want to fight beyond maybe
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  Speaker 1: even a rematch, but just in general, Canelo has two
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  Speaker 1: fights on his deal left out of out of his
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  Speaker 1: four fight deal. So it's gonna get interesting, but we'll
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  Speaker 1: break it down. We will break it down. And of course,
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  Speaker 1: you know, once when someone gets such a big win
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  Speaker 1: like this, and undisputed champion win like this at the
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  Speaker 1: third way class, now you start to look at it historically,
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  Speaker 1: and do I know some boxing history? Sure I do.
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  Speaker 1: I've done a little bit of research here and there.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm I would never call myself a historian though,
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  Speaker 1: because I think it's kind of disrespectable for people that
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  Speaker 1: have really put in the time an effort. Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I know a thing or two. I am older than
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  Speaker 1: a lot of folks in the podcast game, so I
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  Speaker 1: did get to see a lot of stuff in the eighties.
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  Speaker 1: You know that they didn't live anyway, and you know
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  Speaker 1: where does Crawford rank? We will talk to John who
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  Speaker 1: I do call him a historian. There's been talk of
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  Speaker 1: you know, Crawford's the best all the time. Hey, come on, now,
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  Speaker 1: see that's what I don't like to do, Like Sugar
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  Speaker 1: Ray Robinson's the best fighter, dude, Just stop right there.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, the big one that I knew was gonna
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  Speaker 1: come up is Floyd just the win. What's the better
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  Speaker 1: win over Canelo, right, is it? When he was younger,
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  Speaker 1: not quite in his prime? Now, Canelo wasn't green. People
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  Speaker 1: talk about, oh he was a prospect basically, you know
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  Speaker 1: he was green. Well, I think he learned a thing
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  Speaker 1: or two, that's for sure in that fight, but he
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  Speaker 1: wasn't green. Right, Clearly he got better though. Anyone that
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  Speaker 1: says at that young age that he Canela was in
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  Speaker 1: his prime, that's not sure either. I think both you know,
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  Speaker 1: Mayweather and Crawford have aged very gracefully, gracefully, gracey gracefully,
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  Speaker 1: I really do. They've had you know, not many boxers
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  Speaker 1: can make it lo into the thirties and still be
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  Speaker 1: at that elite level. And if there is a drop
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  Speaker 1: off in one little category, they got it better another categories. Now,
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  Speaker 1: you can you know, Canelo was not in his prime,
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  Speaker 1: But I wouldn't say Canelo's in his prime right now
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  Speaker 1: on the on the back side of it. So there's
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  Speaker 1: a couple different ways to look at it. Clearly, the weight,
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  Speaker 1: i'd say, is the biggest thing where the fight was
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  Speaker 1: fought at. But we'll get into all this stuff. We'll
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  Speaker 1: break down and Billy Martinez, you know, I was talking
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  Speaker 1: to a casual friend of mine, casual boxing friend, and
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  Speaker 1: I mean he's probably a little bit more than a
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  Speaker 1: like he knows boxing. He just he's a he's a
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  Speaker 1: casual spectator of it, but but he knows it really well.
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  Speaker 1: He was talking about because I was telling him about
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  Speaker 1: and Billy and and Martinez and that's the co feature,
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  Speaker 1: and he was like, no, that's not the co feature.
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  Speaker 1: I just I just looked at the list and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, wow, okay. The you know, this was
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  Speaker 1: put on by Dana White. As far as being promoted,
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  Speaker 1: we know Turkey paid for it, but the promoter was
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  Speaker 1: Dana White. And you know, he always talks about he's
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  Speaker 1: going to do the opposite of boxing and he's going
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  Speaker 1: to you know, with with in the UFC. In some
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  Speaker 1: ways he did other ways he did exactly the same.
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  Speaker 1: Right the new deal, I do love how it's not
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  Speaker 1: heavy on pay per view at all. There's no pay
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  Speaker 1: per view within the deal. That's not to say that
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  Speaker 1: there won't be another pay per view with the UFC ever,
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  Speaker 1: he even said that. But overall I think that's great
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  Speaker 1: that there it's gonna be on paramount CBS. That's phenomenal,
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  Speaker 1: but this motherfucker dragged. The combination of the fight or
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  Speaker 1: the fight car dragging on, and then the fact that
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  Speaker 1: they'd have the cod feature be that fight that's a
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  Speaker 1: boxing thing to do, where you're like, really, dude, we
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  Speaker 1: have and Billy and Martinez a great matchup, we already
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  Speaker 1: have that. Why wouldn't that be the Kofi Drokhel stop
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  Speaker 1: you know Innuay one two. People were giving me shit
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  Speaker 1: that I didn't talk about the Innuway fight. Well did
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  Speaker 1: you see it in the ring one? I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: save it for recap because I was hoping MJ would
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  Speaker 1: give him a good fight. But also we didn't have
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  Speaker 1: you know, we didn't even have a broadcast of it
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  Speaker 1: when I did the when I did the show, So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't go into detail in that. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't break that fight down. But when you see it
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  Speaker 1: in the ring, I don't know, it is what it is,
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  Speaker 1: you know. But we'll get into that. We'll get into
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  Speaker 1: that and some other fights as well. We'll preview the
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  Speaker 1: weekend and yeah, after we break down the fights, like
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  Speaker 1: what's next? Is there a rematch? You know? A boxing
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  Speaker 1: thing to do, is there'd be a rematch, I'd assume
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  Speaker 1: that'd be up to Canelo, right. Could he improve them
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  Speaker 1: upon that performance? Maybe ever so slightly, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: see it being different, like different enough to win the fight.
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  Speaker 1: And thank god the judges' scorecards got it right now.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't a whitewashing. It wasn't twelve oh or ten
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  Speaker 1: to two or you know, it wasn't anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was competitive at times. But we'll talk
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  Speaker 1: about it because you know, Turkey's out there saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: can Benevita still make one sixty eight, which obviously that
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  Speaker 1: would mean butt in him? Right. Yeah, there's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: more that we talk about, you know, of course little
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  Speaker 1: boxing twitter stuff in fight news. Well we'll talk a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about rip to Ricky Hatton as well, as
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: we all know there is only one Ricky Hatton. But yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: it was a great performance by Terrence Crawford, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to do what he did, to jump two way classes
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  Speaker 1: and make it look how he made it, the mixture
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  Speaker 1: of standing his own ground. He actually when he had
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  Speaker 1: his it was funny because before the bell rang, he
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  Speaker 1: had his gloves up, he had his hands up ready
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  Speaker 1: to guard, right even before even before the fight started,
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  Speaker 1: and not to say he's never done that, but it
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  Speaker 1: made me think, like, is he gonna come forward like
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  Speaker 1: right after bad he's got his gloves all high, and
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  Speaker 1: sure enough, he actually did right away. But the mixture
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  Speaker 1: of movement, whether it's getting you know, not getting trapped
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  Speaker 1: in corners or just the subtle movement, the pivoting, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the circling, but staying within range to land punches. And
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  Speaker 1: there were a couple of rounds that Canela won cleanly.
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  Speaker 1: I did like what he did to the body, no
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  Speaker 1: doubt about it. I think that was some of his
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  Speaker 1: best punches. But you know, a lot within the realms
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  Speaker 1: when a lot of times as this fight got deeper,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I really liked how Crawford answered back pretty
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  Speaker 1: much every time Canelo got a good shot. But we'll
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  Speaker 1: dive into it deeper. And like I said, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: see a whitewash, you know, eleven to one or nothing
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  Speaker 1: like that. I did see some people scoring it. Some
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  Speaker 1: people were scoring it like pretty over the top for Canelo.
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  Speaker 1: That was to be expected. But also I saw some
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  Speaker 1: people saying, you know, ten to two Crawford, and I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think that was the case either. But if
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  Speaker 1: this recap. We do have some numbers, now, some numbers
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  Speaker 1: are out there, some some big, big numbers, you know
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  Speaker 1: on Netflix. But you know, I do want to talk
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  Speaker 1: really quick about the undercard, real quick. The Martinez and Billy.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I thought Martinez started the first round with
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  Speaker 1: the better, better lands, so I gave him round one.
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  Speaker 1: Round two. I liked him Billy's little short uppercut, his
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  Speaker 1: right hook, some of his bodywork combination, but so I
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  Speaker 1: gave it to I gave it to and Billy the
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  Speaker 1: second one. But I liked the bodywork as well from Martinez,
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  Speaker 1: and he was countering fairly well too. And there were
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  Speaker 1: a couple really competitive, fun spirited rounds. A great round
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  Speaker 1: was round three. I thought the cleaner shots was Martinez.
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  Speaker 1: Same with round four, another competitive round. Don't get me wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but I did favor Martinez, so I had him up
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, but I gave him Billy a nice
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  Speaker 1: little run here from the fifth, sixth, and seventh. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the fifth was very close, and I thought Martinez, I
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  Speaker 1: even wrote it in my little scorecard notes where he
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  Speaker 1: probably needed to start pivoting a little bit more and
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  Speaker 1: using his his you know, counter punch ability and not
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  Speaker 1: just stand there and bang. But I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: three in a row. Although the fifth was very close,
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  Speaker 1: and just those short shots to the body, the hooks,
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  Speaker 1: all that I think they did did really good. The
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  Speaker 1: eighth once again a very competitive round, but I thought
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  Speaker 1: that I just thought it was it was better shots landed.
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  Speaker 1: Same with the ninth for Martinez. So I gave Martinez
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  Speaker 1: the eighth the ninth, gave him Billity the tenth, and
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  Speaker 1: you know that that's right around of five five six
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  Speaker 1: four five five gun to my head, who did I
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  Speaker 1: think landed the better shots overall? I would probably have
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  Speaker 1: to say, uh, less than Martinez.
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  Speaker 2: Now I did pick.
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  Speaker 1: Him as an upset, so maybe I have some bias
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  Speaker 1: in there. The scorecard dread ninety seven to ninety three
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  Speaker 1: for Martinez, ninety six ninety four for in billion of course,
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  Speaker 1: we know the draw, so I wouldn't mind a rematch
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  Speaker 1: of this one. To be honest with you, I'd be
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  Speaker 1: just fine with that. Yeah, I thought it was close though.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was very very close, good fight. I
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  Speaker 1: thought that if Martinez like in the rematch, I would
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  Speaker 1: favor I know, I already you know, had picked Martinez
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  Speaker 1: to win. But in the rematch, I would definitely favor
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  Speaker 1: Martinez because I think he could he he'd probably do
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  Speaker 1: the most to improve that fight in my opinion. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's just my opinion. Who knows, maybe one, but I
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  Speaker 1: just think that he could pivot counter a little bit better,
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  Speaker 1: not worry about banging so much in there with them, Billy.
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  Speaker 1: But it was a good ass fight, and like I said,
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  Speaker 1: should have been the co feature and we'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: It dragged on and it's on Netflix. We're not waiting
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  Speaker 1: for a college football game. It's not the NBA playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: Remember when Manny Pacyall was a big Celtics fan back
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  Speaker 1: in the day, and he's like, we're not going until
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  Speaker 1: that game's over. Who was that was that against Moseley?
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  Speaker 1: Who was that? I want to say Mosley, maybe Marquez,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. But anyway, there's really no excuse for it.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, to put, I just thought it was real
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  Speaker 1: goofy to put. You know, the prospect fight as the
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  Speaker 1: co feature, real like boxing promoter stuff that we see
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  Speaker 1: when you have a legit who's going to be the
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  Speaker 1: higher rank contender at the end of the fight type thing.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's where we're at there, you know,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: kind of breaking down this fight. It was a low start.
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  Speaker 1: I barely gave Canelo the first round. I liked what
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  Speaker 1: Bud did early in the round, nice left hand and jab,
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  Speaker 1: but I thought that two or three really good body shots.
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  Speaker 1: I thought they were the hardest shots of the round.
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  Speaker 1: So I did give it to him, but Bud I
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  Speaker 1: gave the second, the third. In the fourth, the jab
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  Speaker 1: a few jabs landing pretty well where Canelo was going
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  Speaker 1: to the body, but not as much. A couple of
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  Speaker 1: decent lands in the third round to go along with
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  Speaker 1: the jab was enough for me. I thought the fourth
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  Speaker 1: was very competitive, but early, really early in late combinations,
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  Speaker 1: quick little combinations by Bud did it for me. Whereas
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  Speaker 1: there was a right hand to the head and a
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  Speaker 1: jab in a decent jab by Kanelo in that round.
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  Speaker 1: But I did. I didn't think it was enough to
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  Speaker 1: give him the round. The fifth round. Kind of early
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  Speaker 1: in that round, maybe closer to mid I thought Bud
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  Speaker 1: was winning it, but I thought that Canelo closed a
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  Speaker 1: round better overall, So I did think that Canelo won
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  Speaker 1: the fifth round. Then I gave the sixth and the
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  Speaker 1: seventh to Bud. Once again really not In the sixth round,
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  Speaker 1: he landed a really good you get I can't talk
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  Speaker 1: today in that round early on big left hand to
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  Speaker 1: go along with that jab and just controlling the distance.
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  Speaker 1: And then in the seventh round and throughout the defense,
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  Speaker 1: whether it was his head movement or footwork just slightly
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  Speaker 1: you know, not doing much when you know Canelo didn't
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  Speaker 1: take advantage of Bud on the ropes. But to be fair,
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  Speaker 1: it's not like Bud was on the ropes a lot,
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  Speaker 1: but these quick little lands along with not getting the
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  Speaker 1: hit a whole lot, I thought he had. The seventh.
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  Speaker 1: The eighth to me was a toss up, very slow round,
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  Speaker 1: though I will say that you know, maybe maybe you
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  Speaker 1: go Canelo there, but that's a maybe. The ninth Bud
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  Speaker 1: combos early there was like a I think that's the
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  Speaker 1: one where there was a head clash. Some people thought
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  Speaker 1: that was really dirty and cheap. I didn't. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: see it so much there, But to me it was
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  Speaker 1: like early combinations. Yeah, Canelo landed a nice overhand right,
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  Speaker 1: but then kind of stick and move and just getting
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  Speaker 1: the better of them. I kind of liked what I
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  Speaker 1: saw there from Bud in the ninth. The tenth round
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  Speaker 1: I gave to Canelo straight and looping rights finally were landing,
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  Speaker 1: whereas I don't know if the quick combinations and Max,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: oh Max, anyway, Max did say, you know, I'd be
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  Speaker 1: worried if if I were in the corner because Bud's
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  Speaker 1: doing these quick little combinations and then setting up one
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  Speaker 1: big punch in that combo. And and I thought he
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: did that for a couple of rounds like that, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was enough there. The tenth round,
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  Speaker 1: the counter left hook, straight left hands, I definitely gave
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  Speaker 1: that one to Bud, And so either way, I did
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  Speaker 1: have Bud well. The twelfth Actually, that was a that
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  Speaker 1: was a tough one. I thought that was pretty close
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  Speaker 1: to that twelfth round. That was a very competitive round.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it felt like Crawford landed more punches, but
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  Speaker 1: where they were they like, you know, like were they
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  Speaker 1: the harder ones? You could maybe get the twelfth to Canlo.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but that that was pretty close. But
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  Speaker 1: overall I did have h Terrence, Bud Crawford win in
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  Speaker 1: the fight, whether it was you know, seven to five,
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  Speaker 1: eight to four, I didn't have a draw. One judge
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  Speaker 1: had at one sixteen, one twelve, the other two had
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  Speaker 1: at one fifteen, one thirteen. I just I liked overall
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  Speaker 1: what Bud did. The game plan. You know, they put
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  Speaker 1: up a stat at the beginning of the of the
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  Speaker 1: fight or not not like as they're walking in that
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  Speaker 1: Canelo seven and zero in stadium fights and it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean Bud's fought in front of jam packed
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: you know, fourteen thousand or whatever crowds, So to me,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: that's just a weird stat. And then go look at
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: who those stadium fights were against. You can't just flash
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  Speaker 1: up a seven and oh stat and not give the context.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, none of them were as good as is
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: you know, is Bud. But I just thought Bud, like
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I mentioned, he fought his best defensive fight. Oh I
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  Speaker 1: see John coming in, I'm gonna let him in here.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I thought he fought his best dee a fight, He
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: fought a smart fight. He didn't just pity Pat. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there was some shoe shining in there, but a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times one of those would really count. And like
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I mentioned, I did think that I'm gonna go ahead
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: and let you in here, John, I did think that
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: he did a good job of answering back within the
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: round or after around that Canelo was able to land.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Hey what's going on, John? How you doing?
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Chris? How's it going.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: It's going pretty good, Man, going pretty good. First and
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: foremost the backyard brawl. Okay, huh, Well did you think
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I know that West Virginia had lost a tough one
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: the week before. They had a lot of injuries in
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: that game, and so I was like, Man, I don't know.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I kind of stayed away from the spread and all that.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: But that's what college football is all about. His rivalries.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: You put on a pretty poor display the week before,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: you turn around and all of a sudden, this this
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: game means something and you go ahead and beat your rival.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that, And I think down the stretch
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and at the point that the points in the game
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: when it mattered most, I think coach, Rodriguez got his
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: personnel straightened out. I'm thinking that quarterback and at running back, yes.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: That means really good plays that quarterback.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Really Mark All who who I have I have liked.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I've been consistent on that. I mean I like him
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of the fans that do too.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: He runs pretty well, pretty pretty good passer, you know,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: runs better than some people think. And you know the
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: guys behind him can't throw can't throw it all rich
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: rod went into the season. You know, Markiel's one of
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: the couple of holdovers, and you know he stayed by
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: choice and Rodriguez did welcome aboard, but kept with this
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm play five quarterbacks and all this stuff.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: And you of course, you know Marciole you know, played
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: most of the game at Ohio and they lost, but
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I didn't think it was really his fault, but they
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: lost White, you know, their top running back, as you
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: mentioned out for the season, who he's legitimately very highly regarded.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: But the key and personnel on this one. Then you know, Rodriguez,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: he'd had a walk on up the depth chart who
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: was out there, and then this guy that they had
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: coming in from Northern Iowa, who I had liked, and
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: of course, you know, Rodriguez got the guy that was good.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: But there were some eligibility issues. But there was a
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: federal ruling in the Northern District of West Virginia which
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I practiced in front of one of the courts where
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: he was determined to be eligible. But I think there
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: was maybe still a little hesitation. But the point is
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: he didn't he didn't start this game against Pitt and
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: he came in there and gave him a big spark
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: running the ball. But then Rodriguez had hooked Marky All
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: and they got one drive with a freshman quarterback who
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: then proceeded to throw horrible interceptions on two preceding possessions,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: and it looked like it looked that the game was over,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: and he put Marky All back in. You still had
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: you know, Edwards running the ball, and the guy was
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: a revelation and you know that. And the defense has
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: been pretty solid this year so far, so I think
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: that combination worked. And even being in WVU, you know
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: alumni in terms of my law degree and my son's
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: undergrad degree, I was surprised checking a little bit before
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: he went on because I hadn't checked it, just been
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: doing other things. And they're thirteen and a half point
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: underdog at Kansas. We talk about betting angles and we'll
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: get into it. Not that I wasn't wrong with what's
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: about Cadello Crawford. None of us are right all the
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: time for sure, But I'm thinking WVU getting thirteen and
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: a half, I mean.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: And Kansas doesn't have a good defense at all. Yeah,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I got a good offense. But yeah, it's funny because
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I did the College Ball Show yesterday and I always
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: do it against the spread pick like I have like
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: five or six of them, or maybe four a week,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and that was definitely one of them. Looking at that like, yeah,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're gonna win or nothing, but it
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean they can't keep scoring with that team.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna say certainly they win, but their
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: defense is played well. Yeah, defense looks much improved. And
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I have a feeling going into this game that, at
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: least in terms of my own biases with the team,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Like I think Rodriguez, like I think now after and
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I think he was up and down with it, but
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I think now after three games, I think he's got
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: the personnel I think he's got the personnel figured out
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: out into this one doing what he wants because got
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: you know, two receivers that complement each other pretty well too.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: One guy that came over with Rodriguez from Jacksonville State,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: who he to me already. He shows some pro potential.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: You know, he's the taller guy. He's six too. And
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: then they they've had Rodney Gallagher, one of the other
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: only holdovers from the Brown regime, who was really highly recruited.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: They just got him because he's from Uniontown, Pennsylvania, which
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: is right across the border from Morgantown, so he's a local.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: But that's kind of why they got him. You know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: he's a smaller, you know, fast guy who's got moves.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: He even played a little defense last year too. But
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: like you know, they're kind of waiting for him to
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: come in his own You've been seeing some of the flashes,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: you know. The offensive line I think's got some problems.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: That's probably not going to change much during the year.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: But I think the personnel with the defenses looked pretty
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: good the whole way, and I think now the offensive personnel,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I think he'll have this more figured out. What he
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: wants to do.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: It was a great interview after the game too. You
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: know he's in there kind of teary eyed singing. You know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: it was just that's a cause the ball is all
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: about man.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: That was great and Rodriguez has proven which I'm saying
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: this is the national media says it, So I'm not
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: coming with it, coming with it at a perception of bias.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the guy's become an entertaining character.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so you know you have that
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: factor and you yeah, and that makes people want to
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: see it more so. But yeah, I mean, you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: it was looking it was looking bad, you know when
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: they fell down in the second half and marky ol
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: you know, he put him at least hey, Rodriguez wasn't
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: was an overly pride for or stubborn. He put him
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: back like I got a Winness, I got to try
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: to Winness Cave and uh and you know the kid
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: came through so and he was highly highly recruited.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: He was.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so like you know Gallagher, the two holdovers are
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: really the two guys they have from the Brown era
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: that were highly recruited. You know. Then Brown found a
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: gym and see a Donaldson, who they developed was a
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: guy who was a receiver in high school and then
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: became a really good running back. But he's at Ohio State.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: You know, he plays for Ohio State now, so he
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: you know, and all the other guys were gone, but
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: you know, two guys that were highly recruited that they
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: did have stayed around, so Markiel and Gallagher and they're
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: playing key roles now. And the Edwards guy of all
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: the running backs that Rodriguez was bringing in, there's something
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: that intrigued me about him. He was at Northern Iowa,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: but just when you see the tape and he was
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: going to be ineligible and then he was eligible, and
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I think maybe I'm just assuming there was some hesitation.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: But when they got over that and they they went
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: with them, knowing they got to get something going with
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: whiteout for the year. He paid huge dividends. The guy
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: looks real good.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: So I know there's going to be a break. But
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: they did re up a long term deal for the rivalry.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: But I think, is it a couple of year breaks?
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: It's a couple of years because I'm getting older and
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I hope to be around a long time. But you
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: can't have a College Fan Series. I'm looking, I'm like, well,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: you know, how many worthies maybe get right? I think
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: it's like a three year break, yeah, and then then
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know, they signed a good long extension though,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: so yeah, I think it might be like a three
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: year break something like that. But I'm glad that they
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: worked it out because you know, you saw it in
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Morgantown on Saturday and new There's of course other colleges
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: the same way. But like it's it's just amazing, even
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: though they've been in the Big Twelve, you know, since
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: you know, the twenty eleven season, like you get a
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: regional rival of course his pit, but even other games
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: like like even even though it worked out terribly, I mean,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Ohio use a short trip so like you know, there
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: was tons of WVU fans there and and you know
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: that's a beautiful campus and stuff. Just just things like that,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: like you know, in the Big Twelve, like you know,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: especially now, I mean, you know, you don't have Oklahoma
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: and Texas in there as just the marquee, even though
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: they weren't any natural rivals or anything, which that was
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: an attraction. You don't have that, so you know these
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: region regional like they played Penn State last year. It
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: was a two year series. You know, that was awesome.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: But that's gone, that's not even that's not re signed.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: But that's an old regional. You know, Penn State dominated
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: the series, but it's still one of those old regional
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: right type of things. Like heck, Penn State doesn't even
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: play pit anymore. I mean, that was one of the
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: biggest rivalries out there. So it's that's sad, But I
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: think fans like those games back when they can be
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: brought back.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's important more than ever now. So you know,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of these kind of big towns, not necessarily
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: big metropolitans, but big towns. They this is huge to
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: them too. It really thrives, it helps the economy, and
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: it's just it's good for everything around it, you know.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: So well, you're right, And even if you like Rendon
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Baker the WVU A D Chris, Yeah, obviously, you know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: you file the college stuff a lot, and you're right,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: that's kind of the way he talks. Like, I have
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: some things I like about this thinking of plans, some
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I don't as much, but you know, his figuring on
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: survival for you know, a place like West Virginia University
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: in this new world is you know, we're going to
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: take the whole one point six million you know, people
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: you have in the state US alumni and just like
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: you described it, like even though Morgan Town itself is
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: only seventy miles from Pittsburgh, you're going to take it
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: like yeah, that's actually the only as the only game
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: in town thing. But see, that's that's what I think
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: people miss is like, you know, Morgantown and for me
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: is no big deal being from New Jersey, but then
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: having also lived in the you know, the south central
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: part of what Virginia a lot. Yeah, you know, I
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: see these different angles and like, you know the way
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: that the way like south central West Virginia, southern West
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Virginia is looking at WVU. I mean, but they're up
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: in Morgantown. I mean, they're only seventy miles from Pittsburgh.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: It's hard to always get messed up with that. Everything's
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: so damned close over there. It's like it's only it
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem right, you know, but it is right.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: And that's where I think, Like, you know, Baker, you know,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: he's now he's been here and it's his job as
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: a d but I've been around here a long time,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Like you know, I have my thoughts on that that
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: are a little different. Like you know, I think WVU,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: because of what we're talking about, it's got to be
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: more of a regional appeal, like when they get too
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: far with the State of West Virginia thing, I know
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: what they're trying to do. Sure, I don't think that
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: necessarily is enough to do it.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Like, well, yeah, if you look at the state itself,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it needs some help, obviously, That's
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: what I think.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Like I think you gotta go with your alumni base
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: and yeah, where you have alumni base and more of
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: these population areas and things, and it's got to be
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: more of a regional appeal, I know, in the recruiting
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: angle of it. Of course now it's a different era.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: But yeah, great coach, and I agree with him, like
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: you know, don Neel, and that was always kind of
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: his view, like from a recruiting perspective, Like you know,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: it's it's got to be a regional thing where you're
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: hitting up these certain population centers that are within reach,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: you know, where the families can drive to the games
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: and things like that. But I think even in the
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: NIL era, some of that applies because everybody's not an
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: NIL superstar. Of course, some players are, and now you
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: see them all over, but you know, people that are
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: good but at levels below that, you know, they're still
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: looking at more of those regional aspects and things like that.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, let's get into the fight here.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about you know, the time went on and
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: all that, and you know, because Dana kept saying, you know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: oh god, these guys, they stretch out these cards, and yeah,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: he's making a good point, but here he is stretching
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: out a damn cartact.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: And when we talk about that, I think we can
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: pick up right there, because that's kind of my theme.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Where I have some disappointment in the event was despite
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: the framing and the people involved, it was it was like,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: outside of the fact it was on Netflix, all the
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: repeated mistakes that Box has been making exactly no adjustment
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: by Dana White or Turkey Ala chic. And we can
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: get into that later, because I got a lot of
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: thoughts on that as well as on the fight. I
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: even you know, the fight, of course, had a very
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: intriguing result and caused me to look back at a
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: couple of things in hindsight.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, yeah, because even we'll talk about you know,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: what I thought was going to be the co feature.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: And then I had a casual friend that I talked
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: to him and as he's like, A just looked at
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: the list of the running order, and he told me
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the co feature. I was like, that's the CoFe Oh.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I thought I could have sworn. I was like, just
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: just watching Billy and Martinez, Okay, don't worry about that
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: other fight. Per se this watch, you know, and so
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: that's another but oh, it just so happened. Someone has
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: a stake and a promotion, so then we're gonna put
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: him at the coffeature. It's a it's boxing one on one.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: You know, just just all all the all the repeated mistakes. Yeah,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: actually worse.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, some of them even.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Worse some of them. It was either all the again,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: outside of the fact that the card was on Netflix,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: which that's good, We're just gonna take that as we
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: accept that was a different change. That was good with
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: that understood. Everything else was the mistakes boxing's making or
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: worse mistakes or worse, Yeah, exactly, And I was ready
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: to be positive the other way, But it just wasn't there.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Like I always say, you just gotta then call it
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: like you see it, and as presentation of the event
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: outside of being on Netflix just ended up being just
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: awful in so many ways in my opinion.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we get the multiple concerts and stuff like that.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: We'll get into that. We'll get it. Let's start in
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: the ring now. I thought Bud fought uh probably his
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: most disciplined fight. I you know, the defense that he
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: showed in that fight, I really liked it. I thought.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I thought he did hang around by Canelo and in
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the pocket enough and answered back enough, but also wasn't
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: gonna get trapped in the corners either and sit there
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: and let them whale on them. I did like a
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: fair amount of the body work that Canelo did. I
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: thought that was his bet. That right hand of the
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: body is probably his best shots of the night. You know,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: speaking of defense, some of those right hands and overhand
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: rights that usually a home, they did find a home
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: to an extent, but a fair amount of them were
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: also partially blocked by Crawford too, so they weren't always clean.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: And then he kind of had him frustrated. Late. You
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: could see Canelo very frustrated, almost like saying, oh, stand
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: right in front of me. You know, It's like, well,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I've been standing in front of you.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: But anyway, i'd like to hear your take. I just
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: went round by round for you before you popped down.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I'll add a little bit to it, but I'd like
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: to get your take first and foremost.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: So well, maybe i'll start out since you just got
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: done with the round by round. I'll actually pick up
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: maybe with that first and then get into some of
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: the analysis. Because you know how people always it's boxing,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: you know, it's it's it's it's subjective. A lot you
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: try to make it Objective's subjective. I I didn't, you know,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I had Crawford winning the fight. I didn't. I did
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: not think that the one point fifteen one team was outrageous.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I thought when for me, some close rounds going to
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: each guy had it going into the last two rounds
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: where it could have been you know, I thought it
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: was even people were saying that was crazy. But then
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I thought Crawford took the last two rounds. But in
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: that even there was close rounds I was given to,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: you know, Canelo that could have gone to Crawford, and
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: there was you know, I was giving Crawford some close rounds,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: so I saw it kind of that way. But you know,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I thought Crawford fought really well. Now, just so you
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: know a way I'm looking at that one. I don't
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: think like I'm not disputing anybody who then gave close
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: rounds to Crawford. Like I always say, you know, you
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: don't have to give all the close rounds. You don't
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: have to have all the close rounds split you. Really,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: that's the problem with boxing too, if you're being really
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: realistic about it. I mean, the close rounds could all
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: go to one guy.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: So you know, a question mark, I'll say who I
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: thought won the round, but I'll put a question mark
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: next to it. And if I got two or four
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: question marks, like we always say, we'll swing it back
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: and forth just to make it even.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: I think that's what you got to do unless you're
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: just have an even round. So that too, that too, right,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: So which which probably there aren't enough of anymore, really,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: And I've gotten in the habit of doing it too
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: because they've been frowned upon. But they probably shouldn't be
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: frowned upon.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: You know, we say a lot of good stuff from
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: the past. Well, that's a pretty decent thing from the past.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Now I think k kind of goes over the top
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: with it, don't get wrong, and some people say I
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: do too, and that's fair, But I don't think it
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: should be looked down upon like it is.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: No, because one of the things you could do would
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: be like these rounds we're talking close with a question mark,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: which if anybody's being honest, they're going to admit they have.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Those could just be even rounds. And then when somebody
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: clearly wins the round, yeah that's just a ten nine,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: you know, and then then you get into knockdowns or
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: somebody being heard or multiple knockdowns, things like that. But
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: so on the scoring, I just wanted to weigh in there, like,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't think that I'm not in the
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: camp where it was. I did think Crawford won the fight, you.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Know, I wasn't.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Right. I think those are stretching the other way. People
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: were saying things like that, and that to me, you're
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: giving Crawford every close round and then you're probably going
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: beyond that. You're probably even giving Crawford some rounds that
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Canelo won. You know that That's why I thought that.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: And there were a lot of close rounds.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: No exactly, I mean it wasn't you know, it was
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: a very interesting fight, especially for boxing fans, but it
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: wasn't you know, a great action fight or a particularly
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: dramatic fight outside of Crawford being the underdog. So you know,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: in terms of the rounds, that's the way I ended
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: up seeing it. You know, I thought Crawford fought really well.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: But one thing I can I can say to me
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: is kind of funny, you know, having picked Canelo going in,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: and it caused me then after the fight to go
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: back look at some things. Yeah, after after about three
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: rounds of the fight, I was like, it certainly doesn't
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: look like Crawford's moved up to fight Michael Spinks does. Yeah. Yeah,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I mean I had I had up my own reality check, like,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: you know, this is not a case. And you know,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Crawford's great fighter, fighting great. You know, Cardell is still
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: gonna go down as a great fighter. But you know,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: like that that was I was thinking. I then started
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: to see because I was also thinking like another thing,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: and I was thinking pre fight, I was thinking like, well,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: you know, Cadell hasn't gotten to fight shorter guys for
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: a long time. I mean, maybe he gets back in
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: with the shorter guy and those punches at that angle
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: he can throw, he just blows them away. But then
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: you know, I was conveniently ignoring like, well, you know,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Mayweather's Mayweather's not particularly tall. No, he's older fighting a
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: young Canello. But let's say, let's face it. You know,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: we went with that angle of like, well, it was
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: his experience level, but it really could have just been
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: an older Mayweather was still able to handle a young Canelo,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: who at that point, you know, should should should be
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: quicker and you know, have more strength and stamina and
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: didn't really have any problem handle him. So I was
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: kind of overlooking that, and like, you know, Cadelo was
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: landing some clean shots, and I got to say, I mean,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: credit to Crawford. I mean, he's never been down either. Yeah,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Canela wasn't having any effect on him. He was landing
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: some clean ones. And I did like something that Crawford
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: said after the fight, because I've seen other fighters do
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: what he did being honest like that and then back
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: off it kind of for marketing purposes or what you
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: might want to call the story of the fight, but
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Crawford didn't back off it. He just said, look, the
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: truth is, you know, I was hit harder by Cavloscis
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: and he was hurt in that fight. You know, that's
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: the only time I've really seen hurt. But like him,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: hurt him too, But he didn't like play it up,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: like you know, Cadello was the heart by far, the
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: hardest back and I don't think he was trying to
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: diss him. I just think he was straight out tellingim that.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: And I was thinking, like when Holyfield fought Foreman. Immediately
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: after the fight, he was saying, that wasn't the hardest
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I got hit by the Doakes and that was a
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: rejuvenated Doax right fight, and that was and holy Field
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: was in trouble. But then he changed it, like you know,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: people were like and I thought it was a great
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: effort by George too. But holy Field kind of picked
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: up on that and he started saying, oh yeah. Later
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: on then he started saying, oh that that was the
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: hardest I got hit. But he didn't say that right
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: after the fight. He said, Michael Doakes hit me the hardest.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I think that was accurate, like that was a rejuvenated
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Doak doesn't mean Michael Doaks is a harder puncher than
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: a prime George Foreman or something. But right, but yeah,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: got nailed by Doakes like that.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's how it's how you got hit sometimes,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: and you know, if you weren't read or whatever. You know,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: it's it's not always just because a guy on average
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: has more knockouts, right, right.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: But I think there, you know, Crawford wasn't posturing. I mean,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I didn't see Canelo. I saw him Canel land in
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: some clean shots that I think he deserved credit for
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: in the scorecards, but I didn't think he was hurting him.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, to my shock as the fight
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: went on, because Canela does have one of the best
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: chins of all time with what his resume is, and
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: he's never been down. Yeah he I mean, he was
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: getting he was getting moved by Crawford later in the fight.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: It was it was just shocking because and it's just
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: a credit to Crawford. It doesn't mean there's anything like
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I don't mean anything wrong or strange happened like that,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: but just like shocking that just like just seemingly inexplicable
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: going in to see you know, and I gotta think Crawford,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: you know, he had a good KO percentage coming in
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: at the waights he fought, so it's not that he didn't,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: but you really, you really got to respect his power
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: now because it was carrying and the guy already had
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: a high KO percentage, so that was shocking. That helped
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Crawford take some rounds. I like the way a guy
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: like Crawford boxes because he's boxing, but he wasn't running,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: you know, just like you said, you know, he's standing
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: enough fighting him like that. That to me is boxing,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: like you know, he's he's nailing him some you know,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: not like running like you know. I mean, he nailed them.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: He nailed him harder than Vival did, who's is a
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: light heavyweight. And that's just a fact. Watching the fights,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, so yeah, balance right, you know,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: I take of it as one shot that's going around
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: where he's like whoa, what the right? Like they're showing
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: that because the dramatic reaction, But I think there was
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: a different one in there that even stung them more.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that one, you know, and uh and then
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: you know, also another thing I think that I didn't
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: take an account enough. I mean you know, Crawford a
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: south past I mean, it's tough to fight a southpaw.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think Canelo he does deserve some credit
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: for this, even though I think in recent years it's
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: pretty obviously he didn't want to fight Menavitas. But there
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: is a truth and what I think, I know what
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Canelo himself was kind of trying to get across after
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: the fight. He didn't put it this way, but I
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: think it's what he was getting at was and there
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: is truth to this in his career, like, hey, I
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: fight these guys that have tough style matchups, like you know,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not not like you know, I'm not saying, hey,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not fighting Arislan dy Laura, I'm not fighting Terrence Crawford.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not fighting Floyd Mayweather. Right, And you know, even
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: with the pays, there's people that do that. You know,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: glove can with the chin and the power, you know, like,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: but he's taken, you know, I think that's what you know,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: He's obviously now is near the end of his career.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind seeing him hanging it up, but I
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: saw already Turkey Awashk said he's talked to him and
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: he's made. You know, that's probably a kind way of
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: saying I'm making him say I'm going to fulfill the
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: contract because I'm not reading that contract. But I can
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: tell you as a lawyer, you know, with what he
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: got paid for and people should be talking about this
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: more post fight, you know what he got paid for
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Skull and what he got paid for Crawford. Now, again,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not reading the contract. I'm not saying I have,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: but there could be a callback in there, like if
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: you don't do the four fights, yeah, especially you don't
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: get the one fifty, you don't get the one hundred
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: and fifty billion for Crawford, or you know what, to
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: say he got paid one ten for Skull or something
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Like it's tough to say. It's a lot, that's what
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: we do know.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Right, but but that might be there. But then, like
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: even if even Turkey Awschik's not going to pay him
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: one ten for Skull or whatever you got, if you're
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: not going to fulfill the whole.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Deal, that couldn't be right in the contract. That's a
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: good that could be there.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: You know, it may sound funny because of the money
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Canelos made, but still, you know, fighter you know, you're
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: risking to see all the time and everything. In that sense,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I do feel like a little sorry for Canelo if
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: that's the case, like that, he's thirty five, he's he's
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: slipping and he's got to fulfill. He may have to
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: fulfill two more fights, or he's gotta get back, get
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: back some money or you know, get shoot for some
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: money or some kind of clawback. Right. Yeah, so that's tough.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, he signed the deal and everything, but
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: that's kind of a kind.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Of that deal under the ALI Act or is that
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: a Saudi Arabia deal or a deal I would.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I would think it's got to be something outside of
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: the US.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Right because otherwise we haven't been talking about this because
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: you are you you can retire, you know right now.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: You can't go fight somebody else. You know, you said
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: you're gonna, you know, do in the contract, but you
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: can't retire, you know.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: When I thought about it. But I thought about it
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: when I saw the number he was rumored to have
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: been paid for fighting Skull, and I thought, you know,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: if if Turkey was signing him away from a Jake
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Paul deal, overpay could have been that bad. But then
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: probably what he had him hooked on was you gotta
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: do the four fights. Yeah, and now Canelo was thirty
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: five and slipping coming off a tough loss, got stuck.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: If there's not a rematch, what is next? Then?
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: You know, well, that's what could get tough for a Canelo.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Like if they're I don't know what that contract would
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: would read for who he can make your fight for
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: the last two fights of the contract. Maybe it's not
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: anybody tough. See, maybe I'm just assuming that.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but remember the deal, and this is why Canelo
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: was able to get out of the Golden Boy contract
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: because they made a deal. Allegedly, they made a deal
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: behind Canelo's back, saying it has to be these six
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: names or whatever, because remember it was like McGregor and
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: all these big names, but we're not going to pay
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: you that minimum of thirty eight or thirty five or
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: whatever was million at that time, if if it doesn't
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: have to do with these names. And so he's like, no, no, no, no,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: that's not what I signed. And that was his his
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: a led and I personally believe it because you notice
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: how quickly he was led out of his contract, you
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: know what I mean?
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: I think he was able to put pressure on them too,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: legit pressure. I would say this legally because I thought
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: that was a good legal argument. I think he was
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: able to put pressure on them too. Was he was saying,
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: you didn't you weren't acting in my interest because you
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: got money from the Zone for.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: You golden based off of Canelo.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Right, based off of Canelo. You're you're taking these fighters
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: they don't want and you're getting money from the Zone
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: because you're you're bringing you're bringing me and I don't benefit.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: I don't benefit from that. I think that puts some
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: pressure on him. But so another thing that I went
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: back and checked, and this is sometimes where your biases
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: do get you is maybe just thinking like been a
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: fan of Canelo, you know, like Crawford's abilities to and everything,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: but just thinking like, well, Canelo has been fighting at
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: these higher weights, maybe he just has to win this.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: But I thought this was real interesting, Chris. I just
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: went on box Wrecked and look at looked at this
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: and should have taken a closer look before the fight.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: But this does mean a lot to me, So I
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: thought I haven't seen it written about either. Sometimes media
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: just misses these things. So Crawford and Canelo both fought
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight. That was the year of
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Crawford's pro debut. Crawford fought his pro debut at one
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: thirty seven, and Canelo in two thousand and eight waged
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: in for one of his fights at one forty seven.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: So if you go to the origin, if you go
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: to the original eight, which I'd go with, was one
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: thive to one forty seven's welterweight. Technically in two thousand
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: and eight, based on your original weight classes, which I'll
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: still say is all you need except for maybe a
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: cruiser weight, they were actually just just barely but in
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: the same way, in the same weight class. And I thought,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: and I'll say this too, This threw me off because
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: as the fight, great, that's a great pull, John, I
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: think it's really important. I think it's really because they're
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: within three years of age. So you can't say, oh, well,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Canelo was was fifteen then and Crawford was thirty. No,
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: they're within they're within three years of each other. I mean,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Crawford's thirty seven right now, Canelo is thirty five and
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Crawford's about to turn thirty eight. So in two thousand
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: and eight, Cadello waited at one forty seven. Crawford waited
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: for his pro debut at one thirty seven. And then
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: this is the part I thought they were exaggerating, but
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: looking in the ring, they weren't. It seemed to me.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: And I did know this pre fight, but like it
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: seemed to me pre fight that they kept listing Crawford's
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: height taller than they had been and Cadello's lower. But
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: then you look at them both in the ring and
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: it looked like Crawford was probably an inch taller than Cadelia.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: And so that's another fact. So you know, look, we
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: all make mistakes. There's plenty of people who pick Crawford
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: in this fight have made plenty of other mistakes. But
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: I think I think that's where we kind of got
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: that wrong. And I saw a lot of other people
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: I respect going into the fight the same way I thought.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: The morning of the fight. I didn't change my pick
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: or anything, but I thought, you know, when Chris and
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: I were talking about we didn't really talk about Duran Barkley.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: There's a guy five seven, you know, fighting a big middleweight.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: You know, he was over six, and I saw another
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: guy respect right about it that morning, right after I
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: thought that, but then say, I still think it's gonna
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: be Cadello.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: So but I thought, you know, in that fight didn't
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: go how people thought it would go.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: No, not at all. And this is one like, look,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: fighters don't get You think they would, but they don't.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: And this is in all sports, like fighters don't have
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: any insight, like if you if you would look at
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: their picks record, it's no better than anybody.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: It's probably worse.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: It's probably worse. I want to know, and all that stuff, right,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: and I've seen plenty of terrible ones. That's why I
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: want to preface it with that. But with that all understood,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: it did, look it did. Hearing him talk before the fight,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Roy Jones did get this one right. Yeah, you know,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: just the way he was breaking it down. He was
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: picking Crawford and you know he's saying, you know, Canelo
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: is not a one punch guy. He never has been.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: And if you're not talking about that kind of a guy,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: and and you know the styles like you know for
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Canelos had trouble with you know, I was then letting
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: the size they override that. But now when you when
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: then I look back, I should have I should have
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: digested that more pre fight. But then it wasn't the discrepancy. Really,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: I was even thinking going in these guys at most
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: were actually a weight class apart at most really probably
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: on their actual like size and the.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Reason see biased with the Modrama fight at fifty four,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I think I think I weighed that a little too heavy,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: you know, when I look back at it and go,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: styles make fights, we know that. But he just didn't
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: look all that good. I think I made the mistake
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: years ago with Usik too, in his first two heavyweight fights,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: he lived like crap, really, you know. And then it's like,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: so I think I I not that I weighed that
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: fight too heavy, but because it was competitive or whatever,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: But like, I think I put a little too Like, man,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: if he can't even clear himself from MODRUMUV at fifty four,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: how is he gonna?
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: So I think I got I got a little lost
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: in that too.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: But one of that might be you know, MODRUMV has
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: amateur pedigree, right, yeah, yeah, he's not that tall, but
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: you know he is he does have some skill, you know,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: he does have some skills. He's a tough you know,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: he's a tough out.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: The other thing, like Canelo. You know, he has learned
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: how to box, He's become a boxer. He really kind
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: of overly likes the box now really, even like you
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: look the way he's fighting at and getting frustrated at
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: the end because he can't out box Crawford. But you know, yeah,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: so it's like, uh, just the you know, the styles
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: you know, wasn't wasn't really there for Canelo. But one
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: thing I wanted to point out too that I think
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: we kind of missed. And even though I've always been
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: resistant to them and argued with him on this point,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's almost like they influenced you, which is like,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: you know, Glovekin's you know, I mean, excuse me, Canelo's
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: greatest fights are going to go down as Glovekin in
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: the end, you know, when his legacies. So, you know,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: and I and I was someone I did think Canelo
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: had a lull he shouldn't have had in the middle
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: of that fight. That's the other thing we did see
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: past weaknesses of Canalo coming out in different areas. One
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: of them is a stamina, you know, that's where he
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: almost blew it and Glovekin won. I didn't think the
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: draw was a robbery I think he could even have
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Canelo by two. I know, you know that's a real
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: minority on that fight, but I still hold to it
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: because I think he got to score every round and
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: I think Canelo started fine. Then people saw the lull
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: in the middle where Canelo was on the verge of
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: blowing the fight no doubt, which his own corner was
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: telling him, and he was way too passive. But then
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: he did pick it up at he did pick it
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: up at the end, and you gotta score, you know,
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: you got to score all the rounds. Then the second fight,
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: he was more aggressive, and then the third fight, you know,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Glove can look kind of faded. But again what you saw,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: even though the scorecards had that fight way closer than
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: they should have, I thought, but Canelos still like he
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: didn't show stamina in the second half of that third fight.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: He was beaten. You know, he was dominating him for
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: the first six rounds and Glove and then wasn't doing
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: anything much. But Canelo just lulled again in the second half.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: So you know, you saw those lulls against Crawford. But
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: what I'm here's what I was saying, like getting back
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: to where the glovekin fan club. I never bought what
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: they were saying, but like they still would repeat it
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: all the time, like, well, Glovekin's this underrated boxer and
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: all this stuff. Glovekin's strength was a great chin, and
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: he had a lot of power with punch variety the dude.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Anybody could hit the dude with power right hands at will,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: including Canelo, and then you saw you know, deriv and
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Chenko hitting them all over, Jacobs hitting him plenty. That's great, chip,
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: I mean even Monroe, Yeah, pop for in that little time.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: He really didn't no pop, but he was landing at will.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: And then the Glovekin fan club was saying like, oh,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: he just let him. They were literally saying, he let him,
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: He just let him hit him, know, I mean, he
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: wasn't letting Canelo hit him. He wasn't letting Derivaja and
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Chenko hit him, you know, and they so it's a style.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: And that's where you get to the styles make fights.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Why the slow feet, you know, comparatively the footwork, you
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: know that all added up.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Like Canelo, he could crank it up against the Glovekin.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Even though they were very tough fights, you know, especially
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: the first two, because the guys right there to be hit,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: and that's where then Canelo's boxing skills to find them,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: he didn't have to find I think when we look
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: back at his career, that's the key. You know, like
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: as good of a fighter as like Evander Holyfield was,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: especially as I got a little later in his career,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: but it does remind me that a little some of
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: these guys like Canelo, he's good at countering if he's
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: got the right out of counter. You know, holy Field
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: could do that too, like you know, even as great
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: as a fighter as he was, as like a like
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: a James Tony, but like what like they need guys,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: you know, they need guys that are coming out and
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: you Duran, I mean Duran always I'm a huge Duran fan,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: you know, to me, greatest living fighter of all time.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: But if he had to go fight, if he had
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: to go find a guy, even if yeah, he had problem,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: he would have some problems, you know, like he had
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: problems with the viauettes, you know, I mean you're going
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: way back at lightweight, Villamar Fernandez. I mean, you know,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: like guys that but you know, if like like we're
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: talking like even Barkley at the end when Durand's old,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: you know, some some guy that's you know coming at
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: you know, coming at him. Ye exactly. I mean it's
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: a fight like Canelo's got some of that in him,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: so he could do that with Glovekin, but he can't
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: do that. You know, guys that like Bought, you know,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: guys like Mayweather. You know, a tough time with Laura.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: You know, I thought he still pulled that one out
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: at the end, but these were these were obviously difficult
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: fights for him. You know, Bivol does not want to
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: engage at all. You know, he's jumping in and out
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: and and uh, you know he's he's certainly not coming
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: to fight. He's certainly not coming to fight yet. You know,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: you're probably you know, you're really going to see that
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: with Canelo when his career gets digested at the end.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: I mean I think that, you know, people were suspecting that,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: and this Crawford fight really probably in Canelo's sense, it's
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: going to have confirmed that once and for all. And
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: that's what makes me worry about a Canelo if he's
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: going to continue, because he's thirty five, he's slipping some
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: and like I do think a guy like him in
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: the style matchups we're talking about, could pull up pull
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: out a great win that some people might not suspect,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: like even against somebody real tough who who presents that
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: kind of style for him. But what why I worry
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: about him is like at this stage show, then that's
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: going to be a fight, like where he's taken shots too,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: and he's got a good chin, and you know, do
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: you want to this band's literally made hundreds of millions
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: of dollars, he's got a family. Do you want to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: be at thirty five plus taking those kind of shots?
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: If that's right, That's why I brought up holy Field,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Like that's the kind of style you got to have
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: to get victory because you know holy Field, especially as
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: he got past his prime, you know, somebody that was
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: going to box him some or you know, he was
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: he was having a lot of he was having a
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: lot of he was having a lot of troubles.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: But I wouldn't doubt if Turkey wants to put him
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: over with Sharraz, you know, because he's big on Sharras,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: so he could want to say, hey, if I can
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: get him over Canelo, I can make him a bigger
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: star or whatever.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: But sure that's true.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: I could see that. But and you know, it kind
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: of matters how Sharaz would fight that fight. Would he
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: be willing to use the jab, use the length and
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: circle and pivot and do all that type of stuff,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: or would he be there? You know, right, because he's
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: definitely not the defender nor the overall fighter as we
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: know for Crawford. But let's so, you know, now that
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: we've seen him beat Canelo, go up like that in
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: wait class and whatnot work, what does that do for Crawford?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: You know, as far as all time, we've got the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: hyperbole now you know online he's better than Sugarrette Robinson
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: and all this stuff. Of course, I knew the Floyd
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: and him were gonna, you know, head to head since
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: they have the Canelo fight, but we're you don't have
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: to give your exact ranking or whatever. But you know what,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: what's this because obviously it was a legacy fight. There's
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: just no way around it.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: You know, well, you know, he he already accomplished to
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: me what seems to be And I think people I
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: know who are boxing historians pick up on this and
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: usually catch it. A lot of people that aren't interested
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: in that in that kind of history don't. But he'd
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: already you know, he was basically lineal lightweight champ and
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: lineal welterweight champ. If you start looking at if you
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: start looking at great fighters, like the real greats, the
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: real greats, they they've basically been a lineal I mean
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: lineal in two with the original eight weight classes. If
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: you start looking who's done that, that's like automatic great
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: That's that's pretty much automatic greatness. So I look for that,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: you know, like like Mayweather was at the top at
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: you know, lightweight and welter weight, then he fought above that,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: So that to me is like kind of what this did,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: Like so that is fair. I mean if Mayweather's you know,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: got a better resume overall of fighters, but like I
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: would say that is a good comparison in that sense,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: like Crawford all the way to the top at you know, lightweight.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Well he made a hell of a run late too
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: with some of these names, you know, cause you can
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: say you can rip his hiss or not rip his resident,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: but say it's a little light. But he did really
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: start to add to it lately, you know.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Right, and now he's beating he's beaten a great fighter
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: over the middleweight limit. You know, can which you can't
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: take that away from Mayweather. I mean Mayweather did that too,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, at a different weight, but he's
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: still but he did it. And and he was much older
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: than Canlo, which.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Is wasn't green, you know, he wasn't crazy young. He's
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: like how many. First of all, he had a bunch
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: of fights. He wasn't the problem. He had beaten a
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: solid fighter and trout. But it doesn't mean he was
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent in his prime. But he's he's also
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: not one hundred percent in his prime right now, so
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: you know, And and the weight was better for him,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: I'd say Canelo, now, is he slower at this weight
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: than where he was? Yeah, but he didn't he didn't
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: have to lose weight either, right he did, you know
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: with Floyd.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: So you know, right, so now Crawford's beaten. He's beaten.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: He's beating a good fighter, you know, at the old
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: middleweight limit one you know which one P fifty four
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: would have been in modrum off. And then you know
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: he's he's fighting over the traditional middleweight limit in light
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: heavyweight territory, beating Canelo, and Canelo has light heavyweight wins,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: so that makes that more legitimate too, you know, at
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty eight pounds, So I mean his greatness,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: his greatness is definitely there. He's got the two, he's
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: got the two lineals in two of the original eight
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: lightweight and wait, wait, and then he's got a huge
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: win now in the in the old light heavyweight limit. Now,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: now that's to me like as great as Canelo has
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: been and as great as Crawford is. But I don't
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: think it's a stretch to say this. I was thinking
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: about this post fight too. It's really where you do
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: get into the still the too many weight classes. And
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: why do I say that, because it's not being too
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: harsh to really say. And even though I've been a
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: big Canelo fan, if there was no one sixty eight,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: which there wasn't even in the alphabets till nineteen eighty seven,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: would be would Canelo be a champion right now? Right? No,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: exactly right? He would either have to be the lineal
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: light heavyweight champ or go be at middleweight, and who
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: knows how many.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Would be there weight it would have been alight, you know,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: So I'm going out one sixty six. You're gonna fight
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: me or not.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: That's what I mean, if he had to really do
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: it just in one of those two original eight weight classes,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: let's just pretend there were no juniors. I don't think
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: he's probably carrying a belt right now. And that's where
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, I saw Criff Cliff Rolls say it,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: and it's not preposterous for the historian types, which I
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: am too, Like I'm not even saying this is the
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: biggest cell but like Turkey can make it. It does
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: make me as a historian like intrigued about Crawford just
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: saying like, well, you know, hell with it, I'm gonna
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: take I'm gonna take Bivol on and try to try
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: to just try to get the lineal light heavyweight title
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: because look Bivol, you know, just with his mentality, Like
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: even though Crawford's now in that case he is a
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: smaller guy, but like can can does bib All even
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: have the mentality to be aggressive in a big fight,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: like even against a Crawford. I'm actually thinking like, no,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: he doesn't. So if it turns into a chess, he
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: would need to be right, he would need to be
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: and I don't know, I'm not certain the guy's got
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: it in him. So if it turns into a chess match,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, Crawford's got a shot. I mean you know
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: he does. Yeah, I mean at least it would make it. It
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be a great another one fight. That wouldn't be
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: a good yeah no, no.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: No no, Yeah, you're right, but it would be interesting,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: The history of it. It would be interesting for boxing history. Now,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: I don't knock Crawford for like because I was thinking,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: but the problem I have with this, I'll tell you.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Like he was saying I might go to middleweight, which
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: I would be okay with that, that's the traditional division.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: But like he's about to turn thirty eight, there's not
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: enough time really, I think for even somebody as great
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: as him to like clean up middleweight, Like could he
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: go back down there now? And maybe he decisions in
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: a Damis or something. Sure, Janebec's taller, that might be
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: more difficult with his amateur pedigree, even though Adamis has
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: been fighting really well. But I could see Crawford beating
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: a Damas. But like, right then he picks up an
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: alphabet middleweight belt, like he's not lineal.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, it takes too damn long.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, take too damn long. That's where I'm thinking about
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: the light head. Yeah, now, like you know, that's almost
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: see normally the one versus two things good and fair.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: But I'm not like making rules up for Crawford. But
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: it is almost kind of a shame, like he just
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: beat Canelo, like, yeah, almost seem fair if he fought
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: like Jane, Hey, I'm ranked right here as a lineal Yeah, right,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: like I deserve right, I deserve to be.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: There's been a lot worse things I wouldn't I wouldn't bad,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: and I to be honest.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: That mean, if if like the historians or the ring
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: wanted to say, well, Crawford versus Janabik or A Dobbins
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: is going to be for the title, the real title,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: you don't, you know, you hate what stuff like that
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: sometimes happens, But it wouldn't seem outrageous to me in
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: this case. But I know the consensus would be against it,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: So then it would take too long. If the consensus
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: is against it, and the BIVOL it's a one fight
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: deal take you know, so you know they got the
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: right to do what they want. I mean, after this one,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: I could see reasons for both guys to retire, but
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying. I'm not saying it's going to happen.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: And I I got a feeling Canelo, if he wants
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: to keep all that money, probably contractually can't.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: I think you're right about that. Yeah, I think you're
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: right about that. And I remember, now this is just
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: people talking. Turkey said that, uh he didn't match the
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: one fight deal that uh Canelo was gonna get with
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: Netflix just one fight, but the overall four you know,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: made it a deal he couldn't refuse. Basically, I believe
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: that I would got that line from so you know
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: what I mean, like, I would.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Think there's language in there like that, like you know,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: I can't, I can't.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: It's legal outside the United States, that's a very legal
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: thing to do, and that's how it used to be.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: That's how it's a very common thing where guys had
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: to keep fighting or they get sued and then you're like, well,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: I don't have that money, so I'm gonna have to
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: And they'd be a lot worse predicament than where Canelo was.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Financial you know, yeah, that Will probably could just say here.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: He's one of the only guys that could still.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: They could actually do it. Yeah, but you know, does
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: he want to you know, yeah, that's gonna be funky
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: that that that'll be really interesting to see how that.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I would love to read that contract. That
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: would be it.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to see I'd like to see that.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: I'd like to see the actual contra track, see what
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: that says. I'm still speculating at this point, but when
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: I saw what he was rumored to have been paid
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: for Skull, I thought, there's no way that can't be
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: that he's got to do it.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: If you didn't, well, that was dumb. You know, it
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: has a horrible deal. Then you know that I didn't
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: move a needle at all.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: If it's not a four fight deal where he has
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: to do the four and Turkey got scammed into paying
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: him that for Skull so he could pick up an
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: alphabet belt for quote unquote undisputed. Yeah, when he when
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: you know he'd already had that bell. I mean, meanwhile,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: they have.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: An investment in his own itself, you know, a ten percent.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Then they didn't even do that, right, you know, it
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: went Atflix, which we loved that they went to Netflix.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: But if you look at the overall. You know, if
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: it's only two fights, that would be crazy. Yeah, because
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: you know, Turkey also said, hey, I can better be
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: just still make one sixty eight, you know, you know,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: but that would be a crazy fight too. I mean
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: talk about a defense a guy that would have to
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: be on his defense. But in benevita spot that would
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: be that would he'd have to be on his super
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: defense there, you know, Yeah, I.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: Think I think, but he's he is it, you know,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: and that one you would think Benevitez would make him
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: work too hard unless at this point, trying to make
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: one sixty eight just would be to where I wonder
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: that's a real possibility with him.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: No, and that's why I wanted. Many people have been
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: saying for years that he needs to go up to
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: one to seventy.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was one guy that did need
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: to and.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: That might be a time where like, hey, man, if
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: you want the fight, come on down, and you know
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: that might that might even out more. You know, who
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: knows it?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: Could they could at this point at this point?
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. But yeah, I mean Crawford, you know, he's
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: improved over the years. He's really proven everybody wrong that
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: ever betted against them just in general. You know, you
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: love seeing this stuff, and he really showed, like you said, like,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: and you know, Max said something during the fight where
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: he would hit him with these quick combos and make
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: one really count, you know, and it was it wasn't
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: no shoeshine or picky pat or you know, it was
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: a puncher. You're like, ooh, that was clean, you know.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: And I loved how he answered back to most of
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: the things that Canella would get going. He'd be like, no,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: up standing my ground, I'm gonna land some punches here.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was able to answer. And another thing I
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: wanted to add, because yeah, you know, on for safety's sake,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: i'd like to see him stay retired because he basically
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: has been. But I think what we saw here was
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: also enough that you know, you got to now reevaluate
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: Errol Spence and say, hey, there was no shame getting
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: blown away by this guy. Not that that doesn't detract
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: from you some but it's not like we thought at
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: the time, like, wow, you know, Spence must have been
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: just totally wrecked from that accident, or how could just
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: get dominated like that. Well even I didn't think it
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: at that time, but now the pictures coming into focus,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: like Crawford just was that good. Yeah he was on
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: that next level. Yeah, he was on that next level.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: So you know, that's Spence's only loss. You know, he
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: may have been just as good as we thought he was,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: but we just didn't know that Crawford was just on
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: an entirely different level. Least most people didn't. I know,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: there were some people picking you know, Crawford going into
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: the fight, but you know, I was picking Spence on
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: that one. But now I think we have a little
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: clearer picture that Crawford just is that good.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, yep. And I just love seeing it, you know,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: if you look at that Gamboa fight and even some
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: other fights where he really, you know, was in a tough,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: hard fight at times where you're like, man, this dude,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: he's fun to watch, but I just don't know, you know,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: And as he kept you know, going up and Wade
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: and he's showing a bunch of different styles and yeah,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: he really showed his greatness, man, he and you gotta
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: love it, man.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the best. That was the best part
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: of the whole thing, right, that was the best part.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: And that's what it's all about. Being a boxing fan
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: is to see stuff like this happening. Yeah, it's it's
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: wild man, and so yeah, Bud got it done. We'll
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: see where both of them go. Like I said, who knows,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: you know which which way they go. There is something
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: great about seeing Crawford going off, you know, walking riding
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: off in the sunset too. I surely wouldn't be mad
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: at that, you know.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be I wouldn't be mad at either of
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: these guys retiring. I mean, I know they just got
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: huge exposure for boxing, but still you gotta think of
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: the fighter health.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Right for a couple more years, right, just to be
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: the face of boxing or whatever, you know, to be
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: a big name. But at the same time, it's like, come.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: On, you know, yeah, you know when you're taking look,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: it can always be the wrong night. And both of
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: those guys are in an age where you start taking
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: you know, the head shots are never good. But thirty
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: five plus it gets worse. I mean, and there A
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: will just tell you that it gets worse over even
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: thirty certainly gets worse thirty five plus over forty. Like
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: that's the thing. You know, they just made a lot
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: of money. Yeah, Cadell already has, you know, now Bud
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Crawford has, I mean, why why risk? You know, it's
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: not that Crawford's getting hit a lot, but still you're
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: gonna get you know, you're always at risk of having
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: that fight where you're going to take a lot more
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: shots and you don't the brain doesn't take them as well.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: Canelo is definitely slipping, you know, why not just call it?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: Why not call it a day after this?
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very rare that we see that in the
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: sport where you go down on top. Andre Ward was
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: one of them. You know, I would love to see it.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: At the same time, either way, I'm happy, you know
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: what I mean. Either way, I'm I'm happy just to
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: just what he accomplished and be able to witness that.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: So and Billy and Martinez first of all should have
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: been the co feature. I don't I understand why it
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: wasn't because someone has a stake in the co feature,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: but but it was. It was a good fight. Oh yeah,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: that I see the rematch. It was a hell of
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: a fight. Both styles did what they were going to do.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: So I want you to talk about the fight, how
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: you scored it, and then in the rematch, you know
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: how do you think a rematch would go down Personally,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: I think Martinez can can pivot more or just do
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: a little bit more countering and worrying about that. So
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: I think Martinez would win the rematch. But how did
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: you see this one play out?
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: I thought the draw was fair, but yeah, Martinez was
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: the winner in terms of he showed me for real,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: you know, outside of Gongora. I just didn't see anything
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: on the resume. You know, he had a good KO percentage,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: he was undefeated. But I was really impressed with like
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: this guy's punch variety, you know, like I just saw
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: him doing different things in there, and and and a
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: lot of good variety of punches, you know, on the
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: inside and too, yeah, and different punches, and you know,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: Billy's tough hanging in there. You know. I still think
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: people were, you know, overrating him. It was a little
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: bit why this happened. But I thought the draw was
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: fair and Martinez proved to be a good fighter and
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: hung in there with him. So, I mean, the promoters
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: got what they wanted out of this fight, and then
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: they didn't have a position properly on the card, which
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: was explicable in the sense, like you said, just because
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: of some promotional politics, but in terms of quality of
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: fight and fighter, it was inexplicable. I mean yeah, like
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: sitting right there for you, you know, right there for you.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: You got what you wanted, and this card wasn't as
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: good as it should have been anyway, and then to
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: not have this fight position where it should have been.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: Although the only thing that the fighters probably did benefit
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: for from was that the card was so ridiculously paced
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: in terms of what time the fights were going off
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: East Coast, where you got all that population that who knows,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: maybe more people saw Martitas and Billy.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: That there's another concert out of here, you know, because.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: All the people of the East ended up going to
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: you know, fall to sleep. Yeah, I mean it was
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: that bad.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: So I talked to multiple people that they they ended
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: up watching in the morning.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was that bad. I mean, fight got started,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: the main event got started after one in the East.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: I said, this is absurd. I mean, you know, you just.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: There's no game we're waiting for to finish. There's no
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: other live stream. Dude, you're on Netflix, Like what what
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: is I don't get it, especially when he goes around
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: town talking about well, you know, boxing cards take too long. Well,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: yeah they do, so why don't you do something about it?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: And it's where you got to go with the It's
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: where you got to go with the basic common sense.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: Nobody spends more money on the NFL than marketing or
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: that kind of research. The NFL plays the Super Bowl
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: on a Sunday, which is a weekend day, at six
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: thirty five pm Eastern, even if it's in Vegas, six
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: thirty five pm Eastern, because and I can go this
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: is marketing one oh one that's applied for decades and
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: still applies. It's where I can explain it to people
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: because on a weekend day on the West Coast, you
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: don't have to worry about anybody commuting home from work
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: where they can't make it in time. So a Saturday
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: or a Sunday's a weekend here, so that's that's not
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: a factor. So you run it at six. Why the
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: NFL runs it at six thirty five is to maximize
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: the viewing audience from both coasts. Okay, for your biggest game,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: right for the biggest game. Boxing you're not special. You
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: have not spent more marketing research than the NFL. These
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: are actually no brainers. And I'll even say it from
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: having got the many many fights in Vegas. In Vegas culture,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: even when it works, even though you're on West Coast time,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: is because when the fight then ends at seven point thirty, Vegas, guys,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: you hit the casino crazy, yea for the rest of
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: the night.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: Every night is young. How many times I've said that
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: after the Vegas Fight, Like, yes, dude, now you got
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: the rest of the night.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so it doesn't impact that at all.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's just like whoa, you know, they're all
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: flown out. The night is young, so you don't need
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: to even worry about the live audience there. Yeah, in
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: that sense, it's just it makes no sense. I mean,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: to start like they have this big Netflix opportunity, They're
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: starting to fight past one o'clock in the morning on
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: the East Coast. I was just laying there at that point.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: I had to be laying on my couch as I
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: was watching it, and I'm like, this is just insane.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: I was said to myself, like, like what they're doing,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: It's just this is just insane. And then they're they're
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: talking about all kinds of alphabet stuff. I mean, Turkey's
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: bought the ring but then he's not even talking about
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: boxing history, like Henry Armstrong doesn't even get mentioned, and
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: they're talking about all kinds of crazy shit. You just
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: gotta talking.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: About the BMF belt from USC Max, Yeah, welcome back, Max.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, just all that crazy stuff. I was just like,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: this is just awful. And then like the commentators in
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: the undercard fights, they sounded like they were like hostages
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: on a hostage video. I mean like, yeah, it was like,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, it was like they were a
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: little more natural debate event, thank god. Yeah, like they were.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: It was like a hostage video, like like watching them
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: do prelims listening to him, I'm like, they sound like
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: they're hostages. I mean, like even andre Ward, who to
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: me used to pretty much he didn't seem like he
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: ever cared much about what he said, like in a
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: good way. He's like going around, He's going on on
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: the party line like an infomercio, and Max is doing
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: it and I'm like, this is ridiculous. You know, on
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: the undercard I mean that Alek Heel guy, yeah, I mean,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: he wasn't we should even be broadcast, I mean, and
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: they're trying to pretend like he's a prospect.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: The guy's not a prospect.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it was just just off. And
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: then like Adams fights a great fight against Yeah, total
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: shocks me. And you know, Sergei Booch, I thought he
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: fought pretty decent. Like, it's just Adams, just I don't
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: know how he did it. At thirty six, he's pulled
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: these eys as before, he was in tremendous shape. He
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: actually just came to brawl and pulls it off. And
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: he pulls it off, I mean, just I mean, he
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: just felt great. He just felt great. But then that's
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: on YouTube. I mean, it's not on Netflix. Like they
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: got a better fight on that one than they had
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: the right to get, even though Adams beat him the
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: first time. Odds even showed that it wasn't expected to
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: be that good, and then they got a bonus. But
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: then they have it on YouTube, like and they got
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: garbage fights. This Alakiel fight and this Dana White guy
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: on the co main event like just awful, I mean,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: and then like Dana White, like you know I thought,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: I mean in a way, he probably maybe in his defense,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: didn't have that much time to do, but still, hey,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: he took on the duties, Like I mean, if you're
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: about the Gate and all this stuff, right, he's bragging
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: about the gain A stuff.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: I mean they had it one way the other.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to promote I mean like like I didn't.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: I actually didn't really see his imprint on much like nothing.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: No, I saw nothing like one of the commercials through
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: the NFL and some of the I did see some
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: talk about it from celebrities that they have tied to
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: their corporations or the you know, their umbrella, But it
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: wasn't the fight soul itself when it comes to the Gate, right,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: you know, that's just the bottom line.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: And again it's just inexplicable to me how they're blowing
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: the use of the ring like the magazine, I mean
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: that they own it, like I mean, the one credible
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: thing they could do that really would help and it
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: ties into the history and everything. Like if I were
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: like doing, I just got to say, because it's what
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: I would be doing, Like I mean you say, like,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, it would have been easy to me, like
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: like Terrence Crawford, you know, was the ring champion at
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty five pounds and the ring champion
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: at one hundred and forty seven pounds. Now you know,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: now Canelo's got a ring belt at one hundred and
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: sixty eight pounds, Prawerd is going to try to capture that.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: You know, he's putting himself in historical territory. And here's
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: what the ring rankings are, you know, at the different
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: weights and where they were, you know when he did
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: this stuff. It's right there for you. You own it. Now,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: you tie it in. You you get rid of the alphabets.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: And instead they're talking about this four belt era crap
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: and you know all this other non you know nonsense
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: about like there.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: Nobody seven and O stat for the stadium fights, like
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: that's going to mean a damn thing, you know, which
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: means nothing, because who the cane fight in those stadiums,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: So I got to do it.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: It's like, well he wasn't in little ballrooms or something
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: before this profit like come.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: On right, yeah, it's just all that, all that kind
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: of you know, all that kind of non just all
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: that kind of nonsense and just not any not any
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: proper just not any proper historical perspective. I mean, like look,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: they you know, didn't even like the real basics, like
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: they weren't even like showing a lot of like Crawford's
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: like win over Spence or like Vanella beating Glovekin. Like
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: there there was all this garbage and nothing about like
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: the proper historical perspectively into the fight. So and then
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: just anecdotal stuff. I heard one or two casual people
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: talking about it before the fight. I mean that's just anecdotal.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: But like I do like to mention that on here
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: when we're talking, because I saw I mean, that was
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: like a little bit more than I'd been seeing, you know,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: So I don't know what that's going to translate to.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to you know, Netflix has streaming numbers, like
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: they know the exact amount of people that watch the fight,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: So I wish they would put that out there A
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: lot of times when they start talking worldwide stuff like
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: I want to know how many people stream that in
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: the US period.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And the only thing that I got this was, uh,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: this was yesterday. This is Dan Rafael. Okay, that's who
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: the source comes from, per Netflix, Like you just mentioned
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: the forty one million, forty one point four around the world, right,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: So it's the most viewed Men's Championship box match, right,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: but then it said, but he said in the US,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: Netflix said twenty point three million viewers watched the main event.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: But and then they they've said five hundred thousand people
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: in over two thousand bars and whatever. Right, but there
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: it's the way they do the streaming stuff. Did someone
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: like if you went to Netflix in that does that count?
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: You know? Like what what what's the actual detail of
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: how long did you have to do? Was it? Could
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: you click on it and they click off and that's
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: a view then? Or you know there is some detailed
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: stuff that is that.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: Is better, that is better numbers than we're normal. Again,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: that's the kind of stuff I want. I think what
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: you're saying there, and I think when I've read about
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: Netflix doing that would be the question you have, Chris,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: which is right? I think the way the way Rafael
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: put it there, though, what Netflix does some sometimes is
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: like they're assuming that one stream is like in a
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: households four people, right, and it may or may not be.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: So because when remember we sell the tailor Serrano numbers
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: right and it said like two million or something, right,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: but then in this press release it said that got
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: more streaming numbers than this. Then worldwide you know, so
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: it's funky, you.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: Know, I mean, it's not that. And when I say
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: about the worldwide respect with people in other countries, like
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: it doesn't I don't mean that. I don't When I
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: say I don't care, it's like I don't mean that
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter. It's I mean, I should really put it
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: in here. They're trying, right, they're trying to camouflage must
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: finding out how it registered here in the US, and
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: like that's what I want to know. Just so Jack
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: maca is boxing fading in the US? I mean on Netflix,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: could I believe twenty zero point three million people watched it?
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: I could believe that I could. That would be That
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: would be what I was hoping for at best if
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: they got a number like that.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: And the reason why I say that.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: The NFL games, just like that week, the streamers like Florio,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: Mike Florio, which I'd check out anyway, but one year
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: behind me in law school at WVU. So okay, wife
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: was what his wife was in my class, Joe, So
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: you know, I'll check Florio's stuff. So by Florio was
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: reporting on some of the streaming game ratings. That's why
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: sometimes I'll retreat because I've got in mind, like, okay,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: when the boxing comes up, we got a big event
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: like this a Netflix. Yeah, it's kind of seemed comparable,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: like I think, well, so is the So I think
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: maybe Chiefs, Yeah, chief Seagulls. That was the Friday, not
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: not Chiefs, Chiefs Eagles was this week? It was uh
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: week week one week one with the Eagles.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, who the hell was it? But I know
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: you're talking about it was a Friday. That was the Friday,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: right exactly. I don't know why I'm blank it out right. Friday.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: The Friday was.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: Like seventeen I think that was seventeen point three million, So, like,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: you know, it gives you a little idea, you know,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: little ideas. YouTube game, Yeah that was.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, that was YouTube. The Netflix was last
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: year NFL and that was around sixty million. Vaguely. But
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: here's my point though, Right, So they put this out
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: they said Paul Tyson last.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: Year Chief Chargers was seventeen point yeah.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it says live plus one viewership. Right, So
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: it says Paul Tyson one twenty five, Taylor Serrouno seventy four,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: and then Canelo Crawford forty one. But the Taylor Serrano.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: It got it got measured down to like two or
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: three million, like actually watching the whole main event, right,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: there was a fairly credible report about that. So it's like,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: wait a second, which one is it then? Because you know,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: so that's going to be lower than that one. You know.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: It's so there is some vagueness there.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a vagueness because I know what's streaming, like,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, they they actually know how many streams, Like
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: at one in the morning Eastern time, Netflix knows how
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: many streams in the US.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: You're not ordering it on demand and it's gonna be
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: on next month's bill or something, right right.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: I mean the they literally like they know that, they
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: know like blank amount of people are streaming right now,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: and then they always get vague like they won't. Yeah,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm like, come on, that's good.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Oppressions engaged and press. Someone accidentally hit the thing and
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: there was minute. I got off it and I watched
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: something else. I watched the new Charlie Sheen thing like
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: you know which that so, but it did seem like
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: it drew a lot of attention. I did see a
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: late build as far as the last few days. I
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: did start to get some anticipation. I'll say that I
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: did see some of that, that's for sure.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: I saw it mentioned like a couple of casual types
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: mentioning it. I'd still like to just see a concrete
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: US number. I mean, if if they did do something
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: like twenty point three, like when when it was official
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: at this fight was going to be Netflix, that's the
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: type of thing I was hoping for, Right, I would
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: say that's in the realm of possibility. I'd like to
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: see more detailed numbers. But right, But although again then
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: another part of me, though, is like, because it's just
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: the truth what I said, twenty they're telling me twenty
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: point three three million people had that stream when it's
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: going off at one am in the East.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because right, And here's another thing, like, and I'm
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: kind of just googling to try to catch back up
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: with the Tailor Serrano thing. It literally said average nearly
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: six million viewers, so that's probably ongoing viewers, you know,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: the whole time it said nearly six million global in
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: the United States alone four point two you know. So like,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: but you just put on a release that you see
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: like measurements of all the fights, and it's way higher
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: than this.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: What you kind of need that Every once in a
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: while I'll find these guys and then I kind of
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: lose track of them. But they're out there and this
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: is where they're valuable. And of course this is not
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: for a while, but but Netflix is publicly traded. What
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: you need is these guys who when the when the
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: reports come out, you know, quarterly or whatever, like, there
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: are these business guys then pour through the report and
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: then like it's it's it's an SEC violation, like if
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: you put on the report, yeah you falsify you know,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: what you really made off of that or what happened
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: like that. But there are guys that check those periodically
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: because they are public. But it's like somebody's got to
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: go through go.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: Through the yearly. I remember doing some of that for
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: the Fox Sports portion of their quarterly and yearly and
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: seeing what what it meant to the PBC, you know,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah, this one's even deeper though, like
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: what you're saying, yes, I mean, you know.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: But it is public, like they are public, like you
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: can you can do it yourself, but that's like the thing,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: like that's where you're gonna Then then if you dig
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: into those, you're gonna you're gonna get a little more
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: concrete information because they have potential trouble if they lie
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: about that. Hey, you know I bought Netflix based on
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: your false information that Crawford did blank. And you know
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: that wasn't even close to what it did.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: So and you know, the the gate does tell a
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: story sometimes, and this was a large gate. Now I
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: haven't seen the ticket breakdown, so I can't speak for
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: that because as we know, one thing, we know you
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: can pay the tax on it and that goes down
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: as a ticket sale. But you just pay the tax
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: on the on it and that goes down as a
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: ticket sale. And then you can also like a guy
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: like Oscar Floyd Manny, they would buy like a million
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: dollars worth of tickets, or there's the old trick of hey,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: you'll be the ninth Live Gate if you just get
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: over the hump or so then they'd be like, all right,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy forty tickets of really good seats. That's
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: gonna be a million dollars. I'll give them away to
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: my friends the fighter, you know, and then and then
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: we go over that. So I don't know, like the
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: like last summer the Crawford gate. Clearly Turkey bought some tickets.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: It's just clear. You can just see how the ticket
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: broke down. But that was in California, so that was
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: you know, that information is much harder to get through
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: Vegas now or Nevada in general. So so yeah, I'm
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: not sure about that gate. But either way, it did
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: draw a lot of attention. And uh, you know, I
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: the casual fan, do they think that's a good fight
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: if they know what's at steak? As far as jumping
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: up and waiting all that, they probably think, oh, I
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: get it.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not thinking Crawford needs to go crazy here because
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: he does have to fight defensively a little bit. Like
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: you said, it wasn't some kind of great fight per se,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: but we knew what was at stake, and we knew
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: the you know, what Crawford was doing, so.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: Did you.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: I watched the Anyway fight, but I watched it Monday.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: Pretty pretty Speaking of defense, I thought Anyway, that was
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: he kind of got back on his defensive tip there.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: He was sharper that way. That's for sure. You could
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: say MJ did a little uh had some success late
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: in the later realms, but it was. It was pretty
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: it was one sided. Obviously it was pretty one sided,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: and obviously Eddie Hearn has job to do, you know.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: But you know, anyway, wasn't duck at MJ, you know,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: because if we say he was ducking MJ, then you'd
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: have to say MJ was ducking people waiting for anyway,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: you know, so we can go back and forth. I
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: thought it was a pretty clean win. What what did
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: you think about it? Did you did? I think did
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: get it on Facebook. I would have preferred YouTube, but
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: at least we got it because it didn't look like
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: we were gonna have it there for a second, you know,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, I mean I think what was lost
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: too much in the fight and even the discussion about
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: you know, hear and saying that.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: Acmdalia was getting ducked and stuff was I mean, in
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: a way, it was a minus one thousand favorite going
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: into the fight. And then like his fans, even like
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: writers who were fans of his, they don't talk about
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: that like they like they try to snow people like, well,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: don't forget we got in a way as a minus
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: one thousand favorites. Yeah, you know, like nobody, nobody, you know,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: fight Nakatani. I mean, you just gotta keep saying it,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: because now he's saying to himself, but he keeps putting
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: it off. He says after it, well after my fight,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: after now, I got one more fight an a time, like, no, no,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: I don't need nick Ball, you know, I don't need
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: the other fight. Like to me, that was the same thing.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: There's MJ fight. I didn't need this fight. I mean,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: as a fan, like I had no desire for this fight,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: you know, a fight where in a ways a minus
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: one thousand favorite.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: People were acting like it was a shame though you're right, like, oh,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: I saw plenty of people tweeting like, oh, this is
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: is being criminally underrated and under.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: That's what they kept saying right up to the fight.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: Criminally underrated and what a shame criminally that that's a whole.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: Lot of criminally stuff I can say in boxing. This
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: is not one of them, you know.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: And that's not honest, And that's not honest reporting the
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: guy's a minus one thousand favorite, right you know you
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: got to say when you're reporting on that, honestly in
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: a way a huge favorite.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: Again, right, you know, not the way he fights tomorrow
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: or whatever, you.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: Know, right right in a way a massive favorite, right,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: you know, I get and I think what what's lost
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: there is like, well.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: There's belts on the line.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: Well that's what they like, Espinosa says, that's always the
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: marketing tool, like because you know MJ. Like, look, well,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: you know he had he picked up that upset loss
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: to to Poulos, who was I mean, he was, you know, contender,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: but like you know, borderline, you know, journey journeyman ish,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: you know, like so like it's not like MJ was
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: this undefeated force.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: Under ground, hardcore, you know, huge triple G thing where
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: you're like, you must fight this guy.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, but like that's what they were pretendingly.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: It was, but it didn't exist.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: It didn't exist. It wasn't that I mean in a ways,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: not fighting. I mean, I'm sure Nakatami would take the
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: fight now, I mean, you know, you know, because it's
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: huge in Japan, especially of Payday, it would be there.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: So like, I don't see why he wouldn't take it.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: You know, he's a big puncher himself. You know, that's
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: a puncher on puncher. He's not going to be afraid
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: of in a way, and you know, in a way
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: is not necessarily going to be afraid of him. But
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: like that's where both guys got power. That's why it's
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: a very interesting fight. They got skilled, but they got power.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: So yeah, but like let's get that. You know, we
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: we all know in boxing we've we've missed too many
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: of these kind of fights, you know, for whatever reason.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: So like there was no need for this MJ fight.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: There's no need for in a way against Nick Ball
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: or whoever, or Nakatani in some miss another mismatch because
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: then in the meantime he's he gets to say I'm
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: waiting and he gets these mismatches well, and.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: They're gonna do a co feature is what it sounds
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: like too. Even though they set last April or this
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: last April that the go feature leading to the fight.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: But then you know there's another one.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: There was a time they used to do that and
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: then it was really the next fight. Yeah, that's been
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: gone for so long now.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: The contracts are already to be signed, and you know
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: remember Holyfield sitting on the you know, waiting for the
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: Buster Douglas fight to be done, waiting to sign a
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: contract and uh, and then all of a sudden it,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: you know, ticson got you know, beat, But that's when
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: you knew things were gonna actually go.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: I mean in the glory days of HBO and show Time,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: the glory days, not the later days. I mean they
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: did that and it just happened like those were just
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: like kind of series they were they were doing, like
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: you know, these two guys fight wasn't like then they
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: might fight like no flight, Yeah, like we're just building
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: it up because this is like we're literally I want
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: to get that fight built up with just as one
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: more fight and then we're really going to we want
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: to make that fight, so you.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: Know, and the money's there one way or another. So
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: you know, whether it's in Saudi or Japan, the money's there.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: So there's no excuse there, you know, there's no excuse.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: I mean it was kind of like and this is
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: like what if in a way and they want to
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: do this with nakatany This was like again what was
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: good about the old like HBO days, Like like you
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: took like that middleweight tournament when they got Hopkins and
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: Trinidad in there, you know, and then they both you know,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: won against Homes and Joppi in the first round. Then
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: they fought, like you just do it like that then
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: like not like there's gonna be some mystery, like Okay,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: Nakatani's fighting this guy, and then maybe you just even
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: have in a way MJ or whatever, and like whoever
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: whoever wins, they're fighting these fights, they're fighting each other.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: Nex just stop it from.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: A mandatory, you know, that's a whole like not even
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: a worthy mandatory at times.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like yeah, and that's what you can't
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: worry about all the alphabet belt stuff and everything, like
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: you like you just the TV Money's what drives in
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: any way, you know, the broadcast money, Like you set
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: that up where you just have okay, you know, and
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: that's the that's the most delay, if we're gonna have
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: any delay, just that, like you're literally just having four
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: guys and then whoever the two that win that or
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: fight in the next fight. Period.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: So two more things unless you have something else. So
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: one thing is uh rested piece of Ricky hat and
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: I want you to talk about Ricky a little bit.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: And then two we did get a little more information. Well,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: first of all, Dana White got pressed out a press conference.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: He didn't like it, but he did talk about it
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: more and it is gonna be a contender series, and
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: then he said that we're gonna rank our guys, We're
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: gonna have them fight, they're gonna be unbeaaten. So it's
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: basically Showbox but with a better deal I guess right,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: or at least the idea of it. We'll see who
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: his prospects fighting to make contender, and he said we're
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: gonna make them big and then pass them off to Turkey.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: That's how he put it. So does that mean he's
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: gonna go out and signed a whole lot of these
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: prospects or just the ones he likes or you know,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: because that's the thing about this is he gonna work
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: with other promoters that they're already under a prospect that's
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: already under a promoter and co promote. Because if you're
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: gonna say it with the best are fighting the bet,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: but you don't got the best, then then it might
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: be a cool series. That's cool. I'm not against that.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the ratings would be higher and get back
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: to what ESPN was twenty years ago. Whatever, that's cool.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not ripping that. But the whole best versus best
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: says who's who's the best, and then there could be
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: a one loss contender. He kept saying undefeated against undefeated.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like, well that's great and all, but
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: we know some guy that's twelve and oho and twenty
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: and oh, it could be completely different, you know. So
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: it does sound like it's a contender series, and that'll
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: just come down to the prospects he has in the ring.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: I've always thought if that was done right, like where
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: you have to have the fights be the fights have
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: to be good.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: Legit prospects.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: I always did feel like that was kind of something missed,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: Like if you did that and the fights were good, Yeah,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: you made sure you had guys in there where the
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: fights were good. I think that would gain momentum, get
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: built up. But I'm with you. I keep getting confused.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: They'll he'll talk like that, and then again, considering who
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: is doing the broadcast, I had to believe this was real.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: I'm watching the YouTube, you know, broadcast of Boho Chuck
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: and Adams, and the commentators go during it these Basically
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: my understanding what they said right there was they looked
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: at so many words. What they what they said was
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: these these two guys are signed with Dana White. Now, yeah, okay,
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: you're right, he says. So I was like, okay, Adam says,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: so what's that then, right, Like he's got prospects, so
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: he's got baho check And that was a really good fight.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: But like, now, if you started your contender thing with
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: like a fight like that, that's what I mean, Like
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: people would be into it, Like if you had like
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: a bunch of those like you were real careful, like
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: you're not cheating the public, like.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: You're really be sure like, and that would mean he
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: would because there's prospects that already have deals and they
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: are some of the best prospects out there, so you
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: can't just ignore them.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna say and tell us and hit us
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: over the fucking head with it about this best versus best,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: I'm all for it if you were, because he doesn't
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: work with other promoters in MMA as we know. So
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: are you gonna sign even like like Zanfer in top
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: rank and you know where they do code deals, you know, Okay,
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: so if the guy has, if the if the fighter
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: has to sign with you to do it, Okay, it's
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: a code deal, that's fine with me. But that's what
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: I'm saying these Is he just trying I gotta see
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: it to believe it, that's all.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: I'm just still to me, it just still seems like
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: they're not clear on what they're gonna.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: Do, and then I'm gonna pass them off the Turkey.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: So is that? So? What's Turkey's deal moving forward? Is
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: he is it pay per viewed his own or which?
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: What is it? Is he got a better does he
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: got a good deal coming up that we don't know about? Hopefully?
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: That's what When even the way Turkey talks like he
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: wants to do it, the net you and I kept
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: criticizing it for it, and rightfully so. And this was
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: a one offer right now, although he's saying it might,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: although he said Saturday night it's not gonna be. But
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: the key is is he is he going to execute
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: a broadcast deal for his fights? And even if it's
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: just on a fight by fight basis whatever, but where Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: the US people are going to see it because they're
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: not going to see it on his own. It doesn't
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: have the subscribership in the US. So if you're going
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: to do all the stuff you say you're going to do,
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: you gotta be serious about what the broadcast is where
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: people in the US are going to see it in
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: the high volume. Now you did do that Saturday night,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: despite the poor delivery, the matter of fact that it
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: was on Netflix with their number of subscribers. There's still
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: going to dwarf anything that's been on for boxing recently. Yes,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: for a couple of years. You know, now one thing
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: like they were knocking them for it, but it's to me,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: it's like what you and I were saying, which we
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: correctly diagnosed they wanted to do in twenty fifteen, and
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: I'm all for it. Is you know, they said Tom
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: Brown TGB Productions, which you know we know is synonymous
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: with Al Hayman wrote a letter saying we want the UBO,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: we want the ALI Spotify, and everybody said, oh whoa,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: I'm shocked at Tom Brown. I'm like, I'm not what
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: do you think Al Hayman and Tom Brown, which I'm
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: all for, we're trying to do in twenty and fifteen
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: until everybody got in their way with basically, to me,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: a miss application of what the original intent of the
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: Ali Act was because like you and I keep saying,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: nobody's accused Hayman of wanting to underpay.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: Anys the best.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: They always say he's overpaying the fighters. He's the guy
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: criticized for overpaying the fighter. So like, you know, he's
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: certainly had loyalty to fighters that's lasted for long periods
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: of time, maybe arguably even too long when yeah, some
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: of these careers keep going. So I'm just saying, like
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: that's never been any criticism and if obviously it's obvious
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: to me, Like I think even though now it's ten
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: years past where they wanted to do it and they've
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: probably taken a lot of damage, I think that's intriguing
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: under the radar that like maybe with just what they've
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: got left, if Hayman and Tom Brown are saying too,
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: like we want to take a shot at doing this thing,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: it's not going to be just day in a way,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: we want to take what guys we have left. And
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: I'd frankly rather see that than a bunch of alphabet stuff.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: I guess they have Tysa Samson, they have you know,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: they have guys that know what the hell.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: They're doing, right, That's what I'm thinking after I saw Saturday,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: like these guys and stuff has happened organically too.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: To these get a lot of them say, oh, he's
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: just a front promoter. Well, that funk promoter is getting
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: this guys in the code feature in the as the
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: B side that pulls the upset at one fifty four,
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: and now he's the champions two belts. You know, it's
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: not just this run of the mill front here, you
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: know what I mean?
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: Right, And to me like this is this is what
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: to me such a head scratcher. Like for the first
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: year of PBC when they did all the time buys,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: I saw a better understanding from Hayman as to how
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: you handle the alphabets. You ignore him, you ignore them,
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: You're just completely ignored. Like he knew, he knew what
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: to do. Ye Like then he was getting blocked with
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: all the litigation and the ALI Act nonsense. And to me,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: at that point, you know, you know, we got to
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: deal with the hours bets and like. But like I'm thinking,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: even though it's ten years after the fact since they
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: wrote that letter, they got to be thinking about it. Like,
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: I'd like to see them be able to do what
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: they are at least a version of what they originally
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: wanted to do in twenty fifteen, Right, yeah, so like
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: it might not just be Dana White like right, yeah, sure, right,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: and let's just you know, see, I want the fighters
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: to make as much as possible. I keep saying that
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: because I don't want anybody to misunderstand my intent.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: But like, right, but it can't be any worse than
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: this is.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: That's right. Just the system can't really be any worse, like,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: any worse than what we've got going on now.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, so we're gonna find out because you know,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: this this messaging, you know, it sounds like propaganda messaging
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: to me. You know, the best will fight the best
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: and all this, Oh yeah, that's that's just you are
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: the best then, right, you tell me who the best
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: are then, you know, and then let's see it in
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: the ring. But yeah, well we'll see hopefully you know,
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: they do get pat like hopefully twenty six uh if
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: it has any to do a Turkey that he's found
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: some sort of agreement where it's not all on paper,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: you know, because some of these fights have been damn
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: good matchups, and yeah, we've praised them all the way along.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: It's not been the fights per se, Right.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: Every every one thing, everybody does seem to agree on
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: and you and I certainly do. And we've said it before.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: The one thing that's been good about the Turkey Alaschk
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: thing is all different guys are fighting each other, like
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, he he has a street He has achieved that.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, the street thing was real. I'd be the
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: first to say it. But he was the one guy
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: that was able just with throwing the money out there
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: and he was able to break through it. So he
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: has That's been his big achievement so far. I mean,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: he's he's getting guys together that there's no doubt they
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: would not have gotten together and fought.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: He's even getting Tom Brady to say something about him
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: right in front of him. So that tells you where
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: we're at. That really tells you where we're at. John,
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: uh oh yeah.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: He maybe he maybe out of he maybe do a
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: commentary out of a future which box.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: You know, this reminds me of the third and nineteen.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: You know, Oh Jesus, what doing Ton?
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: It's bad enough watching him, It's bad enough watching him
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: do football at a Fox never I want.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: I wanted him to be really good at it, but
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: it's just it's just it's just not that good at it.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: Hell of a quarterback. Guys me, no, but uh, you know,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: you can't be good at everything, right, can't be great
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: at everything? Oh yeah, then Ricky Haddon all r I
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: p rest in peace. I'd like to talk a little
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: bit about Ricky.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Ricky only won.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: Ricky hat No.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: I had a great career. And you know what always
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: stands out for me wins wise, you know is you
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: know when he beat Zoo, made him quit, that was
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: a shocker. You know, fat, real tough. Of course you
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: were a real good fighter. Great win. And then you
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: know I thought, you know when he when he took
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: it was a Luis Castillo out with that body attack.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: Very tough guy. Those were to me is two high points.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: And then you know he had the two huge fights
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: against may Whether I am in the camp, I thought
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: he fought well against Mayweather.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: He gave him a good run. I think he gave
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: a good run the same reason why he got knocked out.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: But he went for it, and he went for it.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was he was having his moments fighting well,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: being competitive and generally got knocked out. But he fought well.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: You know, that was I think in two thousand and
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: seven and you know that to me, even there was
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: like a long time boxing observer, it almost felt to
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: me like, I mean, of course Mayweather, you know, was
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: having the big stuff going, but that's when I really
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: started feeling it because, like I remember, I was over
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: a house for that, one of just a bunch of
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: casuals who had it. Like you just don't see that now,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: and like and tons of people were over and you know,
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: things used to be like that. You're not seeing that now,
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: but like two thousand and seven when Mayweather and Mahattan
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: that was there and as you know, a lifelong boxing fan,
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: that was nice to see in two thousand and seven
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: people people getting into it. So I remember that. And
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: then of course he had another big one with the
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: pack yaw where he got blown out. Yeah you remember
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: getting that on pay per view and that was a
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: devastating KOC for a second, it was. And then you
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: know when he then I undersally had high hopes for
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: him when he was then going to coming back, I'm
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: going to fight at Walter Waite and he kind of struggled. Yeah,
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: you know, had had problems, but uh, you know, had
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: a memorable.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: Career, you know, the sport, you know, I've never heard
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: too many people saying bad about him.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: You know, no, definitely, And you know you're just hearing
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: a little bit about his passing away. And I don't
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: know exactly, you know, what the circumstances were or anything,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: but but I do think it's a you know, Ricky
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: only being forty six years old. I think it's a
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: good reminder, like we talk about and this is what
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: has to be you know, remember with the fighters, we're
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: getting taken care of and stuff, and because look at
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: guy Ricky hadn't made money. But like you know, when
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: you're taking those head shots and then you got to
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: live with that the rest of your life. And you know,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: we know that that's it's linked to depression. You know,
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: we know it's linked to depression. So I don't think
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: people haven't that enough appreciation for fighters that are in
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: these circumstances with the mental health issues, Like.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: You got to keep that in mind.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think even when they're younger. That's why,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: Like I think the fighters are being honest when they
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: say it, But when I see people either sometimes making
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: fun of it or just saying, oh, well, they're back now.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: Like when a fighter who as part of their living
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: takes head shots, you know, which is brain injury, and
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: then they're saying they're having mental health issues. You know,
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: you better take it seriously because what they're in is
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: is you know, causing depression. And I get now with
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: what we do know more about the brain, that leaves
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: me with reservations where I start thinking they're probably telling
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: the truth, and should they really be fighting anymore then,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: because if it's causing that kind of mental health difficulties
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: at this point, nothing could really be worse for it
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: than getting hit in the head. More so, just thinking that,
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: like I think, you know, we want to, of course,
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: remember all the great moments of Ricky Hatton's career and
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: you know what he did. But when you hear a
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: little bit about at least some rumored stuff about the circumstances,
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: to me, it's a reminder that you know, you have
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: to keep that in mind because that happens to fighters
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: at all levels too. I mean, you know, fighters like
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: Ricky Hatton or somebody that you know became things in
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: his career, made more money than somebody others. Right, what
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: about these these people that make nothing and they come
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: away with nothing from it, but they take that same
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: kind of damage.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yep, for sure. A lot of a lot
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: of club shows like that where and honestly, allow those
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: love shows tend to be brawls, you know, Yeah, that's
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: what they end up being a lot of times. You know,
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: So it's a lot of entertainment. But like you said,
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: and they're not getting these big bucks either.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's what I mean. They're not getting big bucks.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: So you know, that's kind of not addressed. Like, you know,
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: if you want to really talk about taking care of
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: all the fighters in sports, sure you want people to
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: high end making a lot of money, but realistically, if
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: you're really worrying about the fighters, you got to look
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: at those issues too, and you know, boxing certainly doesn't
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: have that covered, and the alphabets don't. I'm just throwing
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a rant because it gets me
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: mad when it's not talked about. A lot of these guys, frankly,
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: are alphabet apologists. You know, they talk about people being
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: in promoters pockets, but some of these guys are in
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: the alphabets pockets, right, and you know they're just apologies
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: for the alphabets. And why I want to say that is,
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: like you know, the alphabets R rank and undeserved ten
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: undeserving mandatory contenders for every deserving mandatory they won. They
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: want steer undeserving fighters to get belts all the time.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: You know, how about the deserving fighters who fight tough
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: that never get those opportunities because it's because of the alphabets.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: They pay taxes. Well, this is a tax basically.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: You know, the snsion fee discension. And then also, don't
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: tell me the alphabets didn't start colluding when they agreed
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: not to rank each other's champions. Mm hmm, that's just collusion.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: If it was fair, true competition, the w b A
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: would be ranking the WBC chat number one, and so
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: at least one of them would do it. Yeah, fight
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: for our fight for our belt, you know, but they collude.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: That's that's just glorified collusion. It is cool, not even glory, It.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: Just is colude. It. There's four of them, so one
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: of them would do it if they weren't all collusioned, right, right,
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: it's just common sense.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: Right, it's collusion. So you're shutting out somebody who wins
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: another organization's belt from able to fight in a mandatory
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: nature for it's just so you know, the alphabets are
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: a massive part of the problem with the sport, so
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: you know they're not part of any solution.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: That's for sure. That is for sure. All right, John, Well,
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: I thank you for taking an extended time tonight. I
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: always enjoy it. You have yourself a good night.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: All right, Chris, great talking with you as always.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: All right, man, go listen County Roads.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: All right, we'll see if we beat that thirteen and
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: a half this week.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: I say, I say yes, yeah, I'm putting money on
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: it for sure.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm good on that one too.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: All right, take care, Chris, all right, I have a
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: good one.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: Ricky hatt Man like once he started fighting here too.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: A lot of people in the US love that guy,
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, the build up to him
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: and Floyd was hilarious because not too like Oscar couldn't
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: really say funny stuff to Floyd, he didn't really have
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: an he couldn't match with his own thing. Not a
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: lot of people can with Floyd, but Ricky could. Ricky
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: could match, and he make you laugh, dude, He would
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: make you laugh, you know. And and uh, he's just
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: a funny dude. And like when he had uh he
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: had like the headphones on, like the uh like construction
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: worker headphones, and he's like, well, I can't hear you, Floyd,
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: but what he's saying, you know, like there's just so
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: many funny shit from that guy and anyone that I
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: I've talked to that met him, or you know, I've
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: even seeing uh, like left he talk about it on Twitter.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: He he saw him in Ohio and he said he's
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: a good dude and he's talking to him, joking with
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: us and just uh, just like a great guy. And
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: it's really sad, you know that he's passed so early.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: And but yeah, man, he was really embraced over here
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: for obvious reasons, right, Like I said, I mean it's
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: you know, rest in peace, man. There is only There's
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: always only one and forever will only be one Ricky Hatton.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: So rest in peace, man. Thanks for all the great fights,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: the crowds he that crowd he brought over, uh, you know,
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: once he really started getting going here. It's just you know,
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: even that Melanogie fight, had a stadium fight over that.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: The dude just yeah, man, I'll definitely remember that guy, man.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: So rest in peace, Ricky Hatton and yeah, I did
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: get a lot of messages. They're not a lot, but
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: some messages about the Contender series and that type of thing.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: And I like the idea of it, you know, Don't
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: get me wrong, I like I like the ideas of
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: this stuff. But I'm just I think it's fair to
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: ask who is gonna be who's going to be in
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: the ring fighting then, you know, and and it does
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: you know, Showbox wasn't always undefeated against undefeated. It could
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: be one loss, like a quality one loss, you know,
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: and it's a big test for a prospect that hasn't
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: stepped up yet. Like if if it's just a like
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: the show Box vibe but just at a higher level
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: as far as viewership or something like that, sign me
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: up for it. But is he gonna be willing to
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: sign code deals or is it only you know, the
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: so his people that he has scouting. I'm sure he
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: has something to do with it, but overall who he
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: signed to help scout or to scout? You know, I'm
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: just we do we need another person saying all the
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: best is gonna fight the best? But then you you know,
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: damn well, we've seen a better prospect at this weight.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: You know so, and I'm not saying that's easy accomplishment, right,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: but he said they're gonna make him a star and
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: then he's gonna pass them off to Turkey. So you know,
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: we'll see, man, we'll see all this this all works out.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: I do want to say, uh, Lewis Crocker and Patty
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: Donovan split decision. McKenny won as well. Uh who with
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: pat Brown was on there?
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: Anyway, but Crocker did get a split decision. You know.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: Donovan was down with the third and I want to
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: say the fifth. I I didn't score it, but it
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: was competitive, man, I thought it was really competitive. There
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: was a scorecard for Patty Donovan one fifteen, one to eleven.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: I believe I'm looking at it right now, one fourteen thirteen,
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: fourteen twelve. And even the fans this is box, right,
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: But the fans had Patty winning cleanly.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: I thought he.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: Started out really well and he won a fair amount
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: of rounds. Really, I thought, ye, obviously you kept getting dropped,
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: you know those back to back or not back to back,
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: but the third and fifth or whatever. So and even
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: people thought, you know that the comfy box, Like I'm
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: looking at the I did get some messages about punches landed.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: It was one fifteen to ninety nine. Alvarez was fifty
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: one to twenty three when it came to body shots,
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: forty five to sixteen when it came to jebs for Crawford,
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: and then eighty three to seventy when it came to
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: power shots. But you know, sure it wasn't as accurate,
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: and for a while there, you know, not a whole
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: lot happened. You know, you have three lance, three lands,
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: five three, five, five, eleven eight. The first number I'm
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: naming is Canelo. By the way, I'm just looking at
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: the comfy box. Eight three, seven and nine, six to ten,
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: seven to six ten. That ninth round twenty four to ten, Crawford,
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: you know so, and then the final round twenty one
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: was seventeen. You know, I just thought the best work
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: was to the body from Canelo. I'm not saying he
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: didn't land some of those overhands, because he did. Did
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: he land enough of him now and when he did
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: land pretty good, he'd win the round. But there are
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: times where you know, you did see Crawford go ahead
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: and be like, well, hold on, you know, and just
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: doing that I also got I saw a lot and
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: got some messages about the Floyd who had the better win. Well,
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: it's it's subjective, right because Canelo was what twenty two,
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: twenty three? I think he's twenty three whatever, like the
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: way I would say the weight meant more than the age. Now,
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: he fought at one fifty five for a while, remember
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: was the Canelo wait, So he fought at one fifty
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: five for a while. And you know, remember the reason
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: why there was a one to fifty two catchway is
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: because his people put it out there publicly that he'd
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: fight there. So that was that was a mistake on
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: their side. They didn't feel like they could be healthy
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: at that way. That's on them. So and clearly, you
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: know Canela was comfortable at one sixty eight and having
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: to jump up there like that, that does mean more, right,
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: But like I said, when they say, oh, he was
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: so young, he's so green, Canela was not green. I
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: mean just the sheer number of fights and beating a
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: solid guy in Trout who had beaten Codo at the
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: time or whatever. But it was Assaulid when I'm not
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: trying to overrate that win. But he wasn't a prospect.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: He wasn't green. He'd had a lot of professional fights,
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: he was ready for big fights and on the flip side,
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: but I don't think he was in his prime. I
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: don't call him in his prime, but I don't call
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: him green at that time. I think it's you know,
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: Floyd in you know, it was like what thirty six
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: and thirty seven something like that. Floyd was I think
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: was thirty six, Bud was thirty seven. So there's really
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: and they both aged like fine wine. But like I said,
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: so if you say he wasn't his prime yet, cool,
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: I agree. But you can't say Canelo's in his prime
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: right now though, either. So I think it's more impressive that.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: On one hand, I really think it's more impressive that
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: Crawford went up in wait, right, so you know there
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: was a big advantage there. Now, some people say, well
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: Canelo wasn't as fast or whatever right as he was
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: at fifty five. That's fair, But then again you could
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: say Crawford, you know, he was putting on weight, so
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: he probably wasn't as fast either, you know. So my
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: thing is the one thing I'll say is I did
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: think when I said, oh, the U and Canelo fight
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: wasn't a ten too well. I did think it was
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: a ten too with with Floyd, and I thought he
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: dominated Canelo. I didn't think I think he I think
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: I think Bud won the fight cleanly, but it wasn't
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: and in many ways he dominated the action and took
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: away the play a lot of the play from Canelo.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: But the weight comes into play that that made it
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: even more impressive. But if I had to look at it,
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: the weight's more impressive to go up. I did think
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: Floyd won cleaner though, So it is what it is.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I I don't want to go too far,
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: uh too far into it now. I did hear multiple
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: people say that he's Crawford's move past the likes of
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: like Sugar Ray Letter. I heard more people say that
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: and tweak that. You know, I think it's a great win.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: I picked them again. I mean I won in the end.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: I had them both win a decision, right I When
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: this fight made was made, and then you could bet
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: on it. I bet a decision Crawford, and then I
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: also did a plus what was at one twenty two
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: or whatever decision for Canelo. So I meant if Canelo won,
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: I would lose or I would win less money. Right,
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: it was going to be a win win because you're
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: dealing with plus numbers. So I did win more money,
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: but I did officially pick against Crawford. But if we're
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: looking at odds like the Hagler you could say Hagler
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: was past this prime. I think that's fair. Now, how
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: many fights you know, if Crawford would have took a
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: couple more years off and then fought Canelo and was
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: able to do what he did, you know, I don't know.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: And that was a closer fight, you know, that was
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: a much closer. That was a close fight too, A
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: closer though it was at least debatable. I thought Leonard won,
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: but it's debatable whatever. I just think the style. I
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: think Hagler threw it away in the first chunk of
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: the fight, trying to helt box it. As we know,
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: he shouldn't have done that. No matter if you thought.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: If you think Hagler won, cool, but you got to
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: admit he could have won cleaner then had he just
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: fought how he fights and not try to out box
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: sugary Leonard. But that was more around, if memory serves me, right,
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: like a three to one, whereas this wasn't even a
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: two to one, so you could say because he went
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: up and wait, that's major, but sugary Leonard. It's not
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: like he was at one sixty his whole career either.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: But I'm not saying he made this huge jump, but
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: you have to realize how long he was out and
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: not active in that time too. So there's a lot
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: of ways to look at it, you know. But no,
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think I just think he's got better wins.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: I just do I do. I think Duran, I think hearn's.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: I think those guys are better than Spence Man. Now
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: I did we now have a I saw a brunch boxing.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: We now have the pay per view price sixty dollars
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 1: for Parker Wardley. I mean, come on, dude, what are
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: we doing? I did see. I did see, like I mean,
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: God bless him, Andre. Why not try to get the
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: fight right? Crawford A, you're going to give me the
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: opportunity or you're going to do with Canelo and the
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: rest did to me, not the rest that Avitas gave you.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: It give me the same opportunity you got. And there
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: was a So that was a post, right, and then
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: someone in the replies in the comments said, Crawford clearly
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: needs to fight Andre. That's definitely a fight. The boxing
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: rule is clamoring. Now, maybe that person's trolling, but if
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: that's even close to true. What also saw this from
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: bunch Boxing. Bill Simmons from The Ringer said that they
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: had you know there is a there is a rematch clause.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: There's good there's gonna be a rematch. Now, whether that's
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 1: true or not, I don't know. We'll see. Did a
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: huge gate though, forty seven million at the gate over
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: seventy thousand announced the tendance. Like I said, I would
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: need to see the ticket breakdown to know exactly how
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: that looks. But either way, it's a massive fight and
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: we kind of knew that going in. Here's pound for pound, right,
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: the modern day Big three. Floyd the Michael Jordan of boxing,
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: not true, Terrence Crawford the Kobe of boxing. I wouldn't
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: say that that's true because where do you put Kobe.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: I don't put Crawford in the top ten, but hey,
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: whatever some people do. That's fair. But then he says,
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: Boots the lebron of boxing, What are we doing, dude?
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 1: What are we doing? I also saw that Benavitez and
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: Bivel are potentially in discussion, accord to according to Bernardo
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: who you know who was told by Mendoza, the WBO president.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 1: So we'll see exactly this is what MJ. I saw
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: some quotes from mjfter fight. I could have done even better, really,
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: but I didn't have enough time. Well, you knew how
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 1: many rounds you had. Sure anyway is fast than a
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: good fighter. But you know I can do even better.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: I wanted to show more of my strengths, but I
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: didn't have enough time. In the end, I couldn't bring
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: that out. Well it's like, well, dude, you know you
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: had the realnds you had, you had twelve rounds and
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 1: that was, like I said, I was impressed with defense
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: on anyway. On that one, I'm not gonna go round
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 1: for a round because I thought MJ had a little
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: success late. But other than that, it's pretty much a rap.
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: I also saw him brunch boxing November fourteenth. You know
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 1: that that Paul and Davis. It's set Georgia Athletic the
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: Georgia Athletic Commission and Entertainment Commission, September eighteenth, Oh, it's
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: set to be approved September eighteenth. Okay, it did, so
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: it did. The event is already listening on the calendar,
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: MVP and tg B is the promotions. And then I
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: saw Rolled and Chris Mannix and Bernstein talking assuming Anyway
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: goes four and oh and Fondora goes three and oh,
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 1: do you still put budd as the you know, as
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 1: the fighter of the year. I'd say yeah, I'd say yes,
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: I do think that, I really do. And by the way, anyway,
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: one to sixty two that was the punch stat so
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: he doubled them up. So for the people that said,
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: why didn't I break down that fight, there you go.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: Now the cards had it five to five going into
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: the tenth. I will say that as far as you know,
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: the big fight. Someone also asked, why does Max keep
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: saying BMF? What the hell's BMF? That's the bad motherfucker
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 1: belt in the UFC, which tells you all you need
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: to know. I heard that the Ring magazine. Al the
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: al Judge, I said, AI judge, someone actually wrote this
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: in the tweet, so that threw me off. The AI
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: judge had it a draw. Whatever that means. Steven Espinoza,
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: you're the goat of this era. Yeah, I mean the
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: people that are saying that are not young.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: The kids say he's a goat, right, They don't mean
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: is the best all the time? They don't, they don't
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: actually meet mean that. But but so I get it
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: from the kids perspective because they have a different definition.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like my generation would call a guy
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: a player and then it turned into a pimp. And
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: my generation is like, do you know what a pimp is?
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're a pimp, you know, I think
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: you're a player. But the pimp just you know, that
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 1: just went in. That was just terminology that changed whatever. So, yeah,
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: he's goaded, like they say goaded. I kind of like
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: that in a sense. But you can't be the greatest
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: of all time in this generation. It just doesn't lie.
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: Del Gatto Adrian Delgatto, if you haven't followed him due
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: at Adrian d eight nine two six. Crawford's team did
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: their homework and trained for Canelo's tendencies and anticipated everything,
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: controlled the range early, close distance when needed, and even
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: in the pocket, got better of the exchanges. A complete
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 1: performance executed by an elite boxer. Yes, and that footwork really, really,
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 1: that was nice. That was nice. And then you know,
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: I got some people sent me that Benavidez ca can
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: he make the Turkey? Saying can he make you know?
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 1: One sixty eight? I'm not sure if that's you know,
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: if that's the fight they're going to go to, but
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: we'll see another one said. So they sent me a
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: suite of Dana White and shouts out to Broadway Joel.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: Joel's in this. Someone's screenshot of this. He quote tweeted.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 1: Dana White says UFC White House event will have around
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: ninety thousand fans, five thousand on the lawn and then
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 1: eighty five thousand close by right across the street in
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: the park. What do I think of this? It helps boxing,
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 1: because he said, I think broadre Joel just he read that.
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: You know how you read a tweet wrong? I do it,
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 1: you know from time to time. I think everybody has
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: and I've deleted my stuff too. Sometimes this is a
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: very creative and we'll bring eyeballs to boxing. I think
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: he just made a mistake, man, because it's a UFC event,
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 1: so it's not a boxing event. Now, maybe they do
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: promote there. I did see, you know in that they
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: promote a fight for boxing or the deal or something
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: like that that may help. I did see a sway
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: clip of a Shakur asking Espinoza, am I in that
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 1: six to seven fight deal? And Espinosa said, yeah, but
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 1: we'll see if we ever get that fight. Fred says
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 1: Max Kellerman. It's a rich guy that I always carried
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 1: water for his masters. He tried to blame Al Hayman
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 1: for HBO budget cut to boxing when they told him
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: to dance and he was dancing. Ooh, he was dancing.
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 1: He was dancing.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 1: Oh the Fa Jagua and Frank Sanchez. So basically Fa
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: passed on it, unhappy with the purs bid result. You know,
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 1: we didn't need to see that fight anyway, so I'm
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: not too worried about it. Oh, Jalil Hackett, that was
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 1: that was good man. Stoppage win. Someone just screenshot of
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: that to me. Yeah, man, that's a good, good call.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: And then you know, boxing scene did get denied for
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 1: credits or credentials, I should say. And you know, they
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: had an in depth article and my guy Jake Donovan
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 1: was on there and and you know he said he
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: had some quotes in there and they talked about you know,
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 1: some issues with the ring and just you know, denying
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 1: like you're in competition, but if you own the ring,
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: do you Now this isn't the first time someone's been denied,
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 1: but you know, like is it a good enough It's
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 1: not a good enough reason just because yeah, boxing scene
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: and pro box are tied together, just like ring and Turkey,
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: right ring, But you know you can't take your competitor
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 1: out for that reason. So yeah, I mean, I don't know,
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: it's it's it doesn't surprise me, but I'm not I'm
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: not for it. Obviously. There is even more rumors about
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: Spencer Charlow fighting, not on the same card, but fighting,
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 1: So we'll see, we'll see. I don't know, man, you
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 1: know we're gonna we're gonna.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: Find out about that.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is one that John was saying. Anyway, MJ
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: is getting criminally slept on. Doesn't help that we don't
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: have a US broadcaster. Well yeah, it's gonna get slept
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: on if you don't have an outlet at that time
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: we did anyway, But criminally slept on why I don't understand, Like,
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: what what's that got to do with anything? You know,
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 1: It's just silly. Yeah, I think I think that's about it.
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see someone else screenshot at me
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 1: a message about BAM and free agency. It will be
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: interesting to see where BAM ends up. I have no
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 1: inside thing. Oh the one thing I don't know.
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 1: Hopefully uh BAM keeps doing his thing because he's a
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: hell of a fighter, right. I don't know who he's
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 1: gonna sign with or anything like that. I did see
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 1: the California State Commission postponed their motion to support the
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 1: UH the New Revival Act, right the Ali point two
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 1: zero and Matt and a couple other I think Jake
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 1: two actually got on there and you know, voice their opinions. So,
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 1: you know, in some ways I like the idea, but
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: I just don't trust the people behind you know, I
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 1: don't trust Dana White in the in the people behind them.
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 1: And that's you know we we hear about, oh the
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 1: every time the revenue's gone up for UFC with these
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 1: new deals the fighters, you know, purses went up, well,
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 1: no shit, but you're still you want to be called Hey,
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 1: you had Max Killerman saying, oh, I I you know,
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: like parroting what Dana White says. I built this thing
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: into an NBA or an NFL or a you know, okay, cool,
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 1: So why don't you why don't you split the revenue
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: like that thing? If you're if you're this, you're making
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 1: you're going to get over a billion a year from
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 1: paramount cool, So why wouldn't you at least pump that
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: thing up to forty percent then rather than twenty percent
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 1: or much lower? So if you did build this up,
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 1: But yeah, Max, man, don't you want to say I
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: loved how caneal is? Like, Oh, hold on, Max, Boxing's
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 1: big Calm down a little bit. And you know what,
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 1: he didn't build the UFC up to the NFL or
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 1: the NBA. Let's be honest, he did. He's done a
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: hell of a job with it, no doubt it's been
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 1: become popular. But to be honest with you, never it's
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 1: unfair to even compare it to the NFL, and it's
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 1: unfair to compare it to the peak of boxing because
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: let's let's face it, you had you know, NFL was
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 1: pro football wasn't ship back way back in the day.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 1: College football for many years was bigger. But you had
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 1: you know, you had horse racing that was huge, You
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 1: had baseball, and you had Boxing, and the UFC's never
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 1: gotten it anywhere near what Boxing peaked at. No, Boxing's
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 1: not peaking now. I'm not saying that, but I did,
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 1: like how canel Is said, just just call him the
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 1: fuck out a little bit, Max, Calm the fuck down,
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: you know. So Yeah, like I said, if you build
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: up this big bad boy, yeah, hell yeah you did,
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 1: you should get credit. Hell yeah, you got over what
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 1: was it, one point one a year billion? That's crazy,
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: that's phenomenal. But and I and I gave him props
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 1: for the CBS paramount stuff. If they can get a
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 1: fair amount of fights on CBS, dude, that's phenomenal, and
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: on paramount, you know, not having to pay a pay
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 1: per view because they overdid the pay per views, just
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 1: like Boxing did it. It has at the point right now.
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 1: So you know, I want to see what he does
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 1: with this Contender thing. But if they're telling us the best,
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 1: they're fighting the best, and we know damn well they're not,
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: then it's just gonna be another run of the mill
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 1: thing that Boxing's already done. So I hope it's a
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 1: good series. I'm I'm gonna cover it, I'm gonna watch it.
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 1: You know, I've heard it's gonna be on ESPN. I
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 1: don't know, you know, I don't know. I'm not sure.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I think that's about going through these messages.
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 1: I think that's about it. Pretty sure. Yeah, yeah, I
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 1: think I think that's about it. I don't see any
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 1: Someone did ask me about the Hey, I'm just seeing
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 1: this now. Actually the Hagler Leonard fight. Yeah, I'm pretty
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 1: sure it was like a three to one. Uh, don't
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 1: quote me on that. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it was
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 1: two to one, but I'm pretty sure. The last time
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 1: I researched it was a long time ago. Pretty sure.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 1: I remember reading Caesar's Palace three to one or something,
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 1: you know, hovering around there somewhere in that. I think
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: it was worded like that. But anyway, I'm gonna get
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: out of here. You know, we do have some fights
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: coming up this week in Colazo is always a fun
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 1: fighter to watch. We we got some fights and you know,
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 1: I say it, it's ay, but things pop off.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 1: You know Poros back in town more savage. Uh. You know,
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: the zone has a couple of cards Colaso son that
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 1: you know, Fandora. Fandora's sister, Gabrielle she's always fun to watch.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 1: So yeah, the Zone has three cards. So yeah, there's
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 1: action this weekend. I'm not gonna say there's not. Hopefully
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 1: it pops off, you know, and a lot of times
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 1: these other weekends that ship does pop off and and
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 1: some fight breaks out, and you know, we'll talk all
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 1: about it. Anyway, I'm gonna get out of here. Let's
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 1: hope that something pops off. Keep messaging me, whether you
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 1: agree or disagree or whatever, it's all good. Uh yeah,
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 1: I'm out. Peace,