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  Speaker 1: Peter Kreanland Live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. You saw Chris their
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  Speaker 2: reference the opening of the Sydney Olympic Games. There's another
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  Speaker 2: big anniversary today, not as good as that one. We'll
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  Speaker 2: get to that in a moment. Is what's coming up
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  Speaker 2: on Credland. A dire News poll result overnight for the Coalition,
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  Speaker 2: their worst primary result since News poll began. Also the
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  Speaker 2: worst in Liberal party history. They're bleeding votes on the
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  Speaker 2: right now as Conservatives walk away from Susan Lee. So
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  Speaker 2: what's the plan to turn it around? A win over
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  Speaker 2: the weekend for one regional community with a massive win
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  Speaker 2: project put on in definite hold after locals fought back.
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  Speaker 2: But it's a win. The fight's not one yet though.
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  Speaker 2: We'll catch up with one of the farmers for an
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  Speaker 2: update on where two now p lau's remember the brave
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  Speaker 2: Queensland child psychiatrist, doctor Jillian Spencer, one of the first
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  Speaker 2: in Australia to sound the alarm on gender medicine and
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  Speaker 2: puberty blockers. Well she's just been sacked by Queensland Health.
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  Speaker 2: Now this is a long running legal battle. It's still
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  Speaker 2: not over, but her job is. So what's happening here?
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Spencer on the show tonight for an update and
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  Speaker 2: laying the groundwork for what will be a highly destructive
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  Speaker 2: twenty thirty five emissions target. Chris Bohen today released here
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  Speaker 2: report into climate risk, all designed to scare the but
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  Speaker 2: Jesus out of Australians and to try and get them
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  Speaker 2: to support his radical new policies.
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  Speaker 3: Cascating compounding concurrent. That's how the Australian Climate Service describes
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  Speaker 3: the impact of climate change on every community in our country,
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  Speaker 3: cascating it will get worse.
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  Speaker 2: I will come back to that with Chris Jullman, but first,
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  Speaker 2: for eighteen months now, Sydney and Melbourne have had near
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  Speaker 2: weekly protests against the war in Gaza, sometimes tens of
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  Speaker 2: thousands strong, shutting down streets, disrupting business and intimidating passers.
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  Speaker 2: By now given the viciousness of numerous speakers blasting the
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  Speaker 2: Australian government for being insufficiently pro Gaza. Yet this is
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  Speaker 2: a government, of course, it's junk. Decades of bipartisan support
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  Speaker 2: for Israel japaned to an Islamus vote in labor held seats.
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  Speaker 2: For many participants, these were actually protests against Australia as
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  Speaker 2: much as they were pro Gaza, meaning that sooner or
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  Speaker 2: later there was going to be a reaction and now
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  Speaker 2: there is as even quiet Australians, not those of the
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  Speaker 2: permanent activist class, have taken to the streets, they say,
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  Speaker 2: in a bid to take their country back. Two weekends ago,
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  Speaker 2: across the nation, at least fifty thousand people marched for Australia,
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  Speaker 2: many of them draped to the Australian flag in contrasts
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  Speaker 2: to all the rival protesters, mostly with the Palestinian flag
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  Speaker 2: on their shoulders, but often to the Aboriginal flag in
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  Speaker 2: y against what the Marxists want to call settler colonialism.
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  Speaker 2: Many on the left call these Reclaim Australia protesters devisive, bigoted,
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  Speaker 2: even racist, in avent to shut them down and close
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  Speaker 2: them down. Some liberal MPs even warned people before the
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  Speaker 2: marches not to turn up. The Prime Minister, at least
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  Speaker 2: to his credit, accepted there were lots of ordinary Australians
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  Speaker 2: in those big nationwide marches as well as quite rightly,
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  Speaker 2: he said, right wing nutjobs. While again on the weekend
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  Speaker 2: there were more of these protest marches, including clashes of
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  Speaker 2: rival groups in Melbourne. That orbit shut down the city,
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  Speaker 2: leading to lots of locals avoiding the CBD and pushing
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  Speaker 2: already struggling businesses to breaking point. This morning, Melbourne restauranteur
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  Speaker 2: Shane Delia, owner of the wonderful successful Maha Restaurant, expressed
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  Speaker 2: the frustration of so.
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  Speaker 4: Many Look totals will figure over the last couple of years,
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  Speaker 4: but we're down sixty percent in our trade on Saturdays
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  Speaker 4: right just on last year, and last year was already
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  Speaker 4: sixty percent down on the here before.
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  Speaker 2: Public servants now allowed to work from home. Melbourne is struggling.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like the rest of the country coming out
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  Speaker 2: of COVID and yet here we are in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the AFL Finals, on the cusp of the Spring
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  Speaker 2: racing carnival, and yet violent protests are occurring every single week.
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  Speaker 2: That's what's going to greet tourists even if they take
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  Speaker 2: the risk and come to Melbourne. I mean, it is
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  Speaker 2: a joke the premiere. Rather than tackle it well today
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  Speaker 2: she skipped off to China and soon to follow her
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  Speaker 2: the Lord Man Nicholas Reese. Now neither of these junkets
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  Speaker 2: are at all justifiable. Recent particular who promised being but
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  Speaker 2: is yet to deliver on cleaning up the city of Melbourne,
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  Speaker 2: making it's safer, getting rid of bike lane congestion, and
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  Speaker 2: getting business back on its feet. The fact that ordinary
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  Speaker 2: people are now taking to the streets just like the
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  Speaker 2: farmers did a few months back, and the firefighters as well,
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  Speaker 2: shows how little they think of the politicians or their
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  Speaker 2: ability to fix the mess. All of these groups are
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  Speaker 2: looking for leadership, all of them because they don't believe
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  Speaker 2: they are getting it from the mainstream political parties, and
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  Speaker 2: given the Liberal Party is the opposition party almost everywhere
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  Speaker 2: across the country, they clearly don't see the Liberals doing
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  Speaker 2: enough to expose the excesses of labor governments. Hence they
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  Speaker 2: feel forced to take themselves onto the streets. It's precisely
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  Speaker 2: because there's no real authority figures behind these protests, the
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  Speaker 2: more of a spontaneous reaction to months, if not years,
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  Speaker 2: of drift that occasionally the microphone's been captured by ratbags. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this increasingly widespread feeling that the country we live is
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  Speaker 2: slipping away is not to descend into even more fragmentation, polarization,
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  Speaker 2: perhaps even more violence. Well, responsible leaders must step up,
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  Speaker 2: and that means the people ordinarily charged with leading the
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  Speaker 2: opposition have got to lift their game. Australians need a
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  Speaker 2: Liberal party that knows what it's for, what it's against,
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  Speaker 2: and what it wants to do if it gets the chance. Now. Coincidentally,
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  Speaker 2: today's the tenth anniversary of the political execution by his
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  Speaker 2: own gormous, bedwetting colleagues of the last federal leader with
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  Speaker 2: a bit of courage and conviction. This is ten years
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  Speaker 2: ago today. If you want my view as to how
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  Speaker 2: and when and why the Liberal malaise set in, it
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  Speaker 2: was back then when a carpet bagging Malcolm Turnbull staged
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  Speaker 2: his coup against Tony Abbott. Ten years on, look where
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  Speaker 2: that's left the Liberal Party. Today's News poll has the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal national primary vote just twenty seven percent. That is
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  Speaker 2: an historic low, and it's a whopping nineteen percentage points
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  Speaker 2: behind where Tony Abbott was in twenty thirteen storming into
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  Speaker 2: government a twenty seven percent primary, and the party's eighty
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  Speaker 2: year history never have they had such a result. And
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  Speaker 2: yet it's hardly surprising when the current leaders just sacked
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  Speaker 2: from the front bench an Indigenous woman who's the only
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  Speaker 2: current MP they have who's led a successful national political
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  Speaker 2: campaign on anything. The problem, though, it isn't just lackluster personalities.
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  Speaker 2: It's a party that lacks strong positions on anything. On
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  Speaker 2: record high immigration levels with at least some recent migrants
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure whether they've joined Team Australia or just living
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  Speaker 2: here in Hotel Australia, or have had nothing from the
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  Speaker 2: leaps on the energy train wreck with power prices through
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  Speaker 2: the roof industry migrating offshore and governments strangling the resource
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  Speaker 2: sector that's been I reckon, I'm lifeblood for decades. Well
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  Speaker 2: again we've got nothing. Sorry. Actually there's a report, a review,
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  Speaker 2: winter report that might come back to us in twelve
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  Speaker 2: months time, but we're going to hit with these enormous
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  Speaker 2: twenty thirty five emissions target in days. The lives don't
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  Speaker 2: have a luxury of a twelve month review. On the
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  Speaker 2: weekend in Victoria, in response to escalating crime, especially home
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  Speaker 2: invasions by young people, Little State leader Bred Batton announced
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  Speaker 2: he'd finally bring in Jack's Law, permitting police to use
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  Speaker 2: Betle detectors on people they suspect carrying knives. Now, all
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  Speaker 2: credit to him, Good on you, bred Batton. This is
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  Speaker 2: a fantastic move. But why couldn't you have said that
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  Speaker 2: immediately last week after those two boys were butchered on
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  Speaker 2: the weekend. Why rule out Jack's law for a whole
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  Speaker 2: week only to then announce it at a liberal event
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  Speaker 2: on Saturday maye It look like you'd been forced into it,
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  Speaker 2: when I'll give it you jees, you probably had this
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  Speaker 2: in mind all the way along, because that's the problem
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  Speaker 2: with these oppositions, state and federal. They're not nimble enough,
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  Speaker 2: they're not working hard enough or fast enough, they're not
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  Speaker 2: capitalizing on public mood, and frankly, I just don't think
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  Speaker 2: they look hungry enough. This is not rocket science. This
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  Speaker 2: is politics, one oh one. The fact that there is
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  Speaker 2: no plan, or at least no plan that anyone's crusading
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  Speaker 2: for day after day suggests that the party is too
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  Speaker 2: dumb to figure one out, to timid to risk expressing it,
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  Speaker 2: or too divided to unite around a plan. You've heard
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  Speaker 2: me before. Nature appaus a vacuum. A liberal party that
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  Speaker 2: keeps losing to deeply underwhelming labor governments, and honestly, governments
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  Speaker 2: don't get any worse than laboring Victoria, will eventually be
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  Speaker 2: replaced by another party with more conviction, more courage and
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  Speaker 2: a plan. Just look at what's happening with reform in
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  Speaker 2: the UK and those huge pro Britain rallies over the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Decent people who who won't fight let in the fanatics.
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  Speaker 2: The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full
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  Speaker 2: of passionate intensity. Yates wrote that long ago. So libraw's
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  Speaker 2: on your horrific twenty seven primary. Let me tell you
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  Speaker 2: the clock is ticking or clearly the big news today
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  Speaker 2: that news poll. What it means for the coalition and
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  Speaker 2: the party brand as it battles for relevance after May's
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  Speaker 2: heavy election losses. It's the worst primary, as you heard
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  Speaker 2: me say, in liberal history. So let's take a closer
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  Speaker 2: look at some of the numbers here for the party
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  Speaker 2: leader and for the party more broadly, with our chief
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  Speaker 2: election analyst, Tom.
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  Speaker 5: Connell, this pole would have landed with a thud in
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  Speaker 5: the office of Susan Lee if we have it. Look
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  Speaker 5: first of all two party referred. You can see the
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  Speaker 5: extent to which the Coalition is now trailing fifty eight
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  Speaker 5: to forty two, and that's a two percent change in
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  Speaker 5: the last poll. Where is this happening in the primary?
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  Speaker 5: Voters always the question. Well, when we look at the
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  Speaker 5: primary vote, you can see here it's all coming off
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  Speaker 5: the coalition three points down, an historical low.
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  Speaker 6: Ever in newsport of twenty seven percent, it isn't.
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  Speaker 5: Going to labor, it is being spread out Green's one
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  Speaker 5: Nation and other. As for Susan Lee and her net satisfaction,
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  Speaker 5: again this is a dire tale so far early on
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  Speaker 5: for her satisfaction down three and this satisfaction is up five.
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  Speaker 5: So her overall net satisfaction measure people who are happy
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  Speaker 5: unhappy with her minus seventeen. That's gone from minus nine,
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  Speaker 5: so doubling in terms of that net result. So how
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  Speaker 5: does this compare then to Peter Dutton that hisn idea
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  Speaker 5: soon after the last election, or about a year after
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  Speaker 5: the last election. So on the prospect of two party
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  Speaker 5: referred Peter Dutton only god as low as forty three percent.
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  Speaker 5: Susan Lee is at forty two, so quite similar in
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  Speaker 5: that regard.
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  Speaker 6: Primary is where we're seeing.
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  Speaker 5: The obvious difference when we compare the two thirty one
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  Speaker 5: percent was the lowest under Peter Dutton twenty seven so
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  Speaker 5: that will be a worry for Susan Lee. Then it
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  Speaker 5: comes down to net satisfaction. Again, Peter Dutt was always
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  Speaker 5: seen as someone quite unpopular. Naturally he had some tough portfolios.
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  Speaker 5: He did get down to minus twenty. So Susan Lee's
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  Speaker 5: at minus seventeen. What this tells you is the primary
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  Speaker 5: is the worst tail here for the coalition, not necessarily
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  Speaker 5: yet Susan Lee's popularity. But the problem is last time around,
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  Speaker 5: but it was able to come up out of these
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  Speaker 5: numbers and be very competitive.
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  Speaker 2: At least briefly.
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  Speaker 5: We had a cost of living crisis and we had
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  Speaker 5: as well, on top of that, the voice referendum, So
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  Speaker 5: those two big elements helped him. What will arrive this
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  Speaker 5: time for Susan lay.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you Tom. We'll get into those numbers in a moment,
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  Speaker 2: but I want to get into some energy issues that
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  Speaker 2: were announcers afternoon by the government joining me now sky
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  Speaker 2: on New his political contributor Christy Jelman. I want to
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  Speaker 2: start if I can, first with that report out by
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  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen. It's the government's Climate Risk Report. This tells
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  Speaker 2: us both you know that those twenty thirty five targets
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  Speaker 2: are not far away. Chris barn was actually asked about
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  Speaker 2: this today.
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  Speaker 7: Have a listen, have you received the advice from the
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  Speaker 7: Climate changel Authority on twenty seven.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, you asked the question and I answered it.
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: More on that question, when will we know all soon?
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  Speaker 3: I rechecd it on Friday afternoon.
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  Speaker 8: I'm working through it.
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  Speaker 6: I'm giving it due and proper regard. You won't be
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  Speaker 6: the first to know what my recommendation is. The cabinet
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  Speaker 6: will be the first to know. You'll be the second
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  Speaker 6: to know.
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  Speaker 2: So go to Friday or go to cabinet obviously, and
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  Speaker 2: the next day or so we'll get them this week.
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  Speaker 2: I hope they're not watched out in the new cycle
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  Speaker 2: on Friday. But this was all about today, Chris laying
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  Speaker 2: that scare campaign groundwork for what we both I think
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  Speaker 2: predict will be pretty radical numbers for this twenty thirty
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  Speaker 2: five target. Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Look, and what we know, Peter, is that they're not
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  Speaker 9: going to hit their twenty thirty numbers. So we're now
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  Speaker 9: we're going to have even more preposterous numbers. And as
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  Speaker 9: you say, this week is all completely orchestrated, release a
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  Speaker 9: scary report to try and drive people to the idea
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  Speaker 9: that we need to have the government's policy prescription. And
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  Speaker 9: looking at that report, itself. It's essentially trying to model
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  Speaker 9: a few and no one can model the future. So
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  Speaker 9: these are scenarios spread across different temperatures. One point five,
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  Speaker 9: two and three degrees rise in temperature by the end
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  Speaker 9: of the century. That's like the PG version, the M version,
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  Speaker 9: and the R rated version, and all the big numbers
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  Speaker 9: that you're hearing from are from the R rated version
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  Speaker 9: of this particular report. And so as you spread these
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  Speaker 9: things out over time, what you get us some fairly
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  Speaker 9: large numbers. But if you look at a change in
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  Speaker 9: the value of housing by twenty fifty or six hundred
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  Speaker 9: and eleven billion dollars, it says in a twenty billion
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  Speaker 9: dollar housing market, Well, that actually isn't a particularly scary
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  Speaker 9: number when you look at it that way. What we
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  Speaker 9: do know is we're putting more people in harm's way
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  Speaker 9: because we're building in places that are high risk, and
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  Speaker 9: they're some of the issues that we need to address.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 9: I'm not discounting that there is some change in the
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  Speaker 9: climate and that we are seeing it in different areas.
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  Speaker 9: It's just that what the government is trying to do
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  Speaker 9: now is to say that the numbers that it will
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  Speaker 9: produce at the end of this week will have some
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  Speaker 9: material effect on the numbers that it's produced today, and
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  Speaker 9: it simply won't. We're about one percent of global carbon emissions.
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  Speaker 9: Nothing we do will have any effect on the numbers
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  Speaker 9: that Chris Bowen produced today.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm of the view.
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  Speaker 9: That the scary end of the numbers that he produced
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  Speaker 9: today probably aren't going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Well, a few of the numbers have ever happened. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they've been warning of climate sky falling in armageddon and
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  Speaker 2: everything else for probably about forty years now. I started
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  Speaker 2: in the late seventies, and it's gone into an absolute
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  Speaker 2: sort of cultish message in recent years. But every single
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  Speaker 2: time they get to twenty twenty or to twenty thirty
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  Speaker 2: to twenty fifty, they keep pushing all these numbers of
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  Speaker 2: doom and gloom out. And what I noticed was really
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  Speaker 2: interesting today Chris go back to when Beyond Lombourg maybe
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  Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, was saying we have to adapt to
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  Speaker 2: climate change because the climate has always changed. This is
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  Speaker 2: not you this is about adaptation. Well, I heard a
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  Speaker 2: lot of adaptation talk today. Now adaptation is billions and
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  Speaker 2: billions of subsidies. It isn't you know, throwing the baby
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  Speaker 2: out with the bath water. It's smart solutions to something
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  Speaker 2: that has always happened, as I've said, in our history.
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  Speaker 2: But that's not what we're getting from the government because
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  Speaker 2: they want us to back end massive industrial d industrial
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  Speaker 2: change to Australia.
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  Speaker 9: And this is the point that I keep trying to
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  Speaker 9: make Peter, and that is that we are having the
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  Speaker 9: wrong pulsary response to this problem. We should stay as
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  Speaker 9: wealthy as we possibly can and deal with the circumstances
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  Speaker 9: as they arrive. The government's response to this is to
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  Speaker 9: say that we need to decarbonize our electricity system at
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  Speaker 9: an extremely rapid pace, but not just our electricity system,
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  Speaker 9: all of our energy systems. This will cost us trillions
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  Speaker 9: of dollars, it will make the country weaker, and the
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  Speaker 9: cost will fall hardest on the poor. That's my objection.
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  Speaker 9: I don't discount that there might be climate change, and
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  Speaker 9: it may well be being driven mostly by human acts activity,
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  Speaker 9: but unfortunately Australia can have very little control over that.
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  Speaker 9: What we can control is how we spend our money
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  Speaker 9: and whether or not we say wealthy. And what Chris
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  Speaker 9: Bowen is on the pathway too, is putting us on
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  Speaker 9: a pathway to poverty. That is guaranteed. The price of
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  Speaker 9: electricity will rise. The price of energy will rise, austraight
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  Speaker 9: A's productivity will fall as a result of everything that
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  Speaker 9: he is doing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about news poll. It reminded me to
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  Speaker 2: when I saw the numbers coming last night at that
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  Speaker 2: adage politics. As bad as things are, they can always
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  Speaker 2: get worse. I mean a twenty seven priory look to
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  Speaker 2: be fair, I'm less concerned about popular, unpopular, favorable, unfavorable
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  Speaker 2: for the leaders. I always drive down into the primary
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  Speaker 2: vote detail and that's catastrophic. Chris, So, is this a
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  Speaker 2: recoverable sort of blip or do you think that the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal brand is interminal decline?
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  Speaker 9: Well, Peter, I think that these are both numbers that
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  Speaker 9: we can believe in because this is exactly what it
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  Speaker 9: feels like. And yes, I think that the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 9: is in permanent or a near permanent tail spin.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 9: It is in terminal decline. And it's not just at
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  Speaker 9: a federal level. Look at the West where we saw
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  Speaker 9: an extinction level event two elections ago and then they
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  Speaker 9: got back to barely breathing in the last one. At
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  Speaker 9: South Australia at the next election. I think that you
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  Speaker 9: can see a loss of more seats there. The Victorian
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  Speaker 9: Liberals are doing a fantastic job of trying to make
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  Speaker 9: the Allen government electable, and I think that they'll succeed
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  Speaker 9: in that they are hopeless. Tasmania governs in near permanent chaos.
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  Speaker 9: New South Wales, of course, is under administration and the
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  Speaker 9: warlords want to breathe life back into their zombie warriors.
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: The only place where the Liberal brand is doing any
• 18:51
  Speaker 9: good at all is where it's essentially in partnership with
• 18:54
  Speaker 9: the National Party, so in Queensland and in the Northern Territory.
• 18:57
  Speaker 9: So yes, the Liberal Party would look to be in
• 19:00
  Speaker 9: some kind of terminal decline. And I wonder if the
• 19:02
  Speaker 9: next Liberal Prime Minister has been born yet.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I thought you'd say they're not even in
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: the parliament yet. I don't have to agree with you
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: on that one. But not even born yet terrifies me.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: That shrewd point you made there about the partnership with
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: their Nats in the NT obviously in Queensland. That goes
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: to my broader point that I often make here in
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: the program that the party to win on the right
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: has to have conservative ballast, and if you look at
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: the numbers that are coming out of newspol overnight, there
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: has been a bleed of conservatives away from the party. Now,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: when that has happened in the past, we have lost.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: We cannot recover. I guess the new problem is that
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the party at the moment's led by a lot of
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: moderates and they've got the dominant voice inside the party room,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: and they are reacting, or someone say, overreacting to the
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: loss of Teal seats with an over correction. Now that
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: is purging conservatives out of the party. But this is
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: a space a liberal party cannot win. Do you think
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: they understand the sheer numerics of this, Chris.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, Look, I understand what drives some of this fear.
• 20:12
  Speaker 9: Of course, what started first was the loss of TiAl
• 20:15
  Speaker 9: Streets seats, which is essentially to the left of the party.
• 20:17
  Speaker 9: And now it's got a problem on the right. So
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: it's being torn apart on both sides. So it does
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: need to make some kind of stand and work out
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: what it actually stands for. And when we're talking about
• 20:28
  Speaker 9: twenty seven percent of what's left, I think, you know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 9: a large part of that probably is a more conservative
• 20:33
  Speaker 9: voter base, so if they tilt back to the left,
• 20:35
  Speaker 9: they're likely to lose people on the right. So I'm
• 20:37
  Speaker 9: not under you know, I'm not underestimating how difficult this is.
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: I'm not writing policy for the Liberal Party. But I'll
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: say this, if you don't make some decisions, take some risks,
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: and plant your feet and make a stand, there is
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: one sure thing you will get blown over.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: You is that wrong? I'll over it there, I'll be topic.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I'm sure we return to Chris Yrman. Thank you well.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: A big win reported over the weekend. When it shows
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: when communities rally for a cause or in this case,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: against something, they can make a huge difference. Multinational corporation
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Win Prospect has indefinitely delayed its controversial ninety turbine wind
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: farm near Gas following fearce opposition from locals. It's also
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: facing an insolvency process in Britain as it's forced to
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: repay millions of dollars owed to creditors. We'll get to
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: that in a moment. It was a sheep farmer, Emmawab,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: who helped lead the charge on this issue. She's a
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: trailblazer against what would have been a terrible eyesore for
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: her community on the southern table lands, not to mention
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: the loss that affects us all a prime agricultural farming land.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I'm pleased to say the warrior Emma joins me. Now, well,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I have to say, Emma on the top of the
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: program here, congratulations. It's a brilliant outcome for you. That
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: they're saying it's indefinitely delayed. They haven't scrapped it, So
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: there's a fear. I guess here that there's an element
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: of uncertainty in that.
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  Speaker 10: Hi, Peter, Yes, there's so much uncertainty. You know, projects
• 22:06
  Speaker 10: put on ice like this can torment regional communities for years.
• 22:10
  Speaker 10: They're called zombie projects, so they're not quite dead, but
• 22:13
  Speaker 10: they're also not quite alive. And we can't trust win prospects,
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: so we can't relax, We can't get back to our
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: normal lives. They could breathe life back into this project
• 22:23
  Speaker 10: during our busiest time, during shearing or harvest, or during
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: a fire season. So it means that, yeah, despite this news,
• 22:30
  Speaker 10: this project continues to have a huge mental health toll
• 22:34
  Speaker 10: on our on our community. It's still sitting over our
• 22:37
  Speaker 10: heads and there's no transparency or clarity as to what's
• 22:41
  Speaker 10: going on. So the predatory behavior of this company continues,
• 22:46
  Speaker 10: and it's yet another demonstration of the power and balance
• 22:49
  Speaker 10: that exists between us and these big companies, these big
• 22:52
  Speaker 10: corporations who are calling the shops.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Okay. So I know you know you're busy, mum, You've
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: got your to run. Everyone in your community has dropped
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: everything to throw themselves into it, like communities I was
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: speaking to in January and February in the malle. So
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: the diversion of your energy and resources and time and
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: all this stuff to fight this stuff, all these commitmentsry
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: to fight this stuff. I think it's unacceptable. I think
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: it's really tough on farming communities. So you know, the
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: risk is that win Prospect could even sell their position
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: in the market, could sell this offering on to someone else.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: And we know that so many of these when farm
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: companies are foreignly foreign owned. What's that like to have
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: that hanging over your head? And what can government or
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the opposition or your local MP do to help you here?
• 23:44
  Speaker 10: Well, you know, and you said it before the amount
• 23:47
  Speaker 10: of time that we've had to dedicate to fighting this project.
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: So touching on that first, I mean, we estimate that
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: in just the four months since this project was brought
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: to our attention, we've had to invest over four thousand
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: hours of unpaid work into protecting our community. That's time
• 24:03
  Speaker 10: stolen from our paid work and from our families, and
• 24:06
  Speaker 10: stolen productivity from our regent. You know, that's farmers and
• 24:10
  Speaker 10: local professionals and teachers and nurses who have had to
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: commit huge unpaid resources and energy simply so that we
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: as a community can participate fairly in something that has
• 24:21
  Speaker 10: been imposed on us. And without this work, we cannot
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: attempt to engage on equal footing with a well resourced
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: developer like win Prospect. And again that's the power and
• 24:32
  Speaker 10: balance being exploited here. Win Prospect is paid to push
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: this project forward. Meanwhile, community communities like ours have been
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: forced to spend thousands of unpaid hours in resistance simply
• 24:45
  Speaker 10: to protect our way of life.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, but where's the government here? Because Win Prospect, we know,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: is going through a creditor process in the United Kingdom.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: They're paying back millions and millions of dollars in debts.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't our government say, with that sort of balance sheet,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: with that sort of risk, you're not going to operate
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: in Australia. We're not going to throw good money after
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: bad you know, they eligible for our subsidies, pack up
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: and go home.
• 25:13
  Speaker 10: Well, it really is a shocking example, isn't of a
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: multinational corporation funneling money offshore, taking advantage of Australia's climate crisis,
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: all to bail out.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: A parent company that's in debt.
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: So these developers make an array of grand promises to
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: regional communities, but they may not be there in five
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: ten years when a project gets off the ground, and
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: they're absolutely no guarantee or certainty that they will be
• 25:38
  Speaker 10: there in twenty five years when it comes time for decommissioning.
• 25:41
  Speaker 10: So our question as a regional community is who is
• 25:44
  Speaker 10: doing the due diligence in who we.
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: Have to deal with here?
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: The investors in our project, the Commonwealth Superannuation Corporation and
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: Infratil must either not know or not care that they
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: are investing in a company that engages in unconscionable and
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: predatory conduct, funneling money offshore at community expense, at taxpayer expense.
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: You know, it's abundantly clear to us that rin Prospect
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: does not have the interests of Australia or Regional Australia.
• 26:10
  Speaker 10: At heart, it's always been about making money. And you
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: know this is precisely what happens when there is no
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: mandated requirement for companies to engage with communities in Regional
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: Australia in good faith and they are given free reign
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: to cause this harm.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Oh ever, Web, but if you're not going to get
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: into the Parliament, tell you what I want you to
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: get down to camera during question time or during a
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: press conference and put some of those tough questions to
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Chris Bien because I think you'd having for toast, well
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: you'd hav hing for breakfast, but you'd have him on toast.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: You just do such an amazing job for your community.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight and please keep up the fight.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: You've got a friend in me. It's fantastic, all right.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: After break, reverberations continue following the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Terrible,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: harrowing footage of him his wife out on the weekend,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Incredibly brave response for America. Andrew Hasty's going to join
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: me after the break. We're going to discuss what this
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: means for civil debate and ball plus hang on I've
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: got a sneak peak of Tony Abbott's upcoming Sky News
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: documentary for all of you. Welcome back still the Come
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: on Queensland. Doctor who's been outspoken on Jenda Minsine now
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: officially given the sack I'm mean a transgender legal battle.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Doctor Gillian Spencer joins me. In a moment. First, I
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: want to welcome someone who writes a very thoughtful email
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: to his supporter base each week, and when it lands,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I never inevitably stop what I'm doing and sit down
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: and give it a read. Now, rarely have I found
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: his contributions to be anything less than thought provoking. But
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: what arrived on the weekend, as I later said in
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: a text exchange with him, was one of his intellectual
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: best That author. Shadow Home Affairs Minister Andrew Hasty joins me. Now, well,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I thought you wrote a really powerful reflection, Andrew, on
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Charlie's death, and as I said, I've stopped and read
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: it on Saturday, and I sent you a message and
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: in it you reference Raphael's painting of Paul preaching at Athens,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: and you said it displays the very best of Western civilization,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: of faith, reason, inquiry, debate and persuasion. So what does
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: this say about the broader state of Western civilization when
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: it comes to our ability to hold civil debate, that
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: these five fundamentals are under attack.
• 28:37
  Speaker 11: Good evening, Peter Well, Charlie Kirk's political assassination was designed
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: to silence us all. It was a murder done in
• 28:45
  Speaker 11: public with a political message. And I wanted to reflect
• 28:48
  Speaker 11: on the tradition that's at stake right now, and that
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: is the great Christian liberal tradition of faith, reason, inquiry, debate,
• 28:57
  Speaker 11: and persuasion. And I think Charlie Kirk really modeled that
• 28:59
  Speaker 11: across the United States and across the world on university campuses.
• 29:04
  Speaker 11: He was willing to step out into the arena in
• 29:07
  Speaker 11: a spirit of openness and humility and engage with his opponents.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: And he was doing that.
• 29:14
  Speaker 11: Very thing when he was cut down by a sniper's
• 29:17
  Speaker 11: bullet last week. And so I wanted to take people
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: back to a really important painting done by Raphael which
• 29:23
  Speaker 11: I first saw in London in twenty fourteen.
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: I found myself standing in front of.
• 29:26
  Speaker 11: It for quite a while, and it's such a powerful
• 29:29
  Speaker 11: picture because it's from the Book of Acts, chapter seventeen,
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: and Paul there is in Athens, and it says that
• 29:35
  Speaker 11: he reasoned with people, He reasoned in the synagogues. He
• 29:38
  Speaker 11: was a Jew himself, but he reasoned in the synagogues,
• 29:40
  Speaker 11: he reasoned in the marketplace. And then he went to
• 29:42
  Speaker 11: basically the Greek High Court in Athens and preached a sermon,
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: and all the responses to his sermon who are captured
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: in the faces of the people in the painting. And
• 29:51
  Speaker 11: I think that's what democracy is. You don't always persuade people,
• 29:54
  Speaker 11: but it's about the contest of ideas, and that's what
• 29:56
  Speaker 11: at stake. That's what's at stake with Charlie Kirk's assassination
• 29:59
  Speaker 11: last week.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: What amazed me was Kirk fought on, discuss debated some
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: really tough topics, topics that a lot of people find
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: polarizing or they shy away. They've got a view, but
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: they shy away from expressing their view. But those who
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: have criticized him and some of the hateful things that
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: have been said upon his death reprehensible, repugnant, But they're
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: not people I think that have ever watched a video
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: of him reasoning and discussing these things on a student campus,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Because yes, they were tough conversations, but he was incredibly polite.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: He cautioned his supporters to stop, you know, to back
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: their voices down, to listen. He took arguments head on.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is what it used to be like
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: when I went to university. This is what debate in
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: the West used to be like, Andrews. So, how have
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: we gone from centuries of Western thought and civility to
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: where we are now?
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: That's right?
• 31:01
  Speaker 11: Well, I think you know, Charlie Kirk, his debate was
• 31:05
  Speaker 11: moderated by his Christian faith.
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: That's where a sense of humility came from.
• 31:09
  Speaker 11: You've got to love your opponent, you've got to show
• 31:11
  Speaker 11: respect them because, as Charlie said numerous times, everyone's made
• 31:15
  Speaker 11: in the image of God, and so they have that
• 31:17
  Speaker 11: innate sense of worth and dignity.
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: And I think what we've seen over.
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: The last forty years or so is starting in our
• 31:24
  Speaker 11: universities a repudiation of Christian Western values. And along with
• 31:31
  Speaker 11: the repudiation of the West is a repudiation of faith, reason, debate, inquiry,
• 31:36
  Speaker 11: and persuasion. And you know, we've seen Marcus along the way,
• 31:41
  Speaker 11: but now we're at a point where we can't even
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: talk to each other in universities and in the public
• 31:46
  Speaker 11: square without resorting to abuse. And there are plenty of
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: examples over the last few days which I think are
• 31:51
  Speaker 11: just disgusting, the way people have celebrated Charlie Kirk's death.
• 31:54
  Speaker 11: He was a human, he was a dad, he was
• 31:55
  Speaker 11: a husband, and he was debating people. He wasn't using
• 32:00
  Speaker 11: forced to persuade people or coerce people.
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: He was using his words and doing it very effectation.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: What about the warning you put in that email in
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: relation to James Kirth, because you said James Kirth is
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: another thinker. James Kerth said the future class of civilizations
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: won't be between the West and one or more of
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: the rest, but it'll be a war within the West
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: that the West will tear itself apart. It feels like
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: we're tearing ourselves apart in our own society, even here
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: in Australia.
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: Andrew, that's right.
• 32:34
  Speaker 11: James Kirth was a student of Samuel Huntington. So when
• 32:36
  Speaker 11: Samuel Huntington came out with his Clash of Civilizations thesis
• 32:39
  Speaker 11: in nineteen ninety three, James Kirth responded. He said, no, no,
• 32:43
  Speaker 11: the future is not going to be defined by a
• 32:45
  Speaker 11: clash of civilizations, the West and the rest. It's actually
• 32:48
  Speaker 11: going to happen within the West itself, as the forces
• 32:50
  Speaker 11: of postmodernism repudiate all the good things that we have
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: in our great Western tradition. And he said that the
• 32:57
  Speaker 11: fight is, you know, taking place. This was in nineteen
• 33:01
  Speaker 11: ninety four. We said the fight was taking place in
• 33:02
  Speaker 11: the universities. Back then it was intellectual, and I made
• 33:05
  Speaker 11: the point thirty one years later, it's now violent. And
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: the fact that we have people being shot on campus
• 33:12
  Speaker 11: in the United States is troubling.
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: And let's not pretend that we're somehow different.
• 33:16
  Speaker 11: Yes, we have good gun laws here, but let's not
• 33:19
  Speaker 11: pretend that we're different within ourselves. People are capable of
• 33:23
  Speaker 11: all sorts of violence in our universities and on our streets.
• 33:26
  Speaker 11: And this is something we've got to watch very carefully
• 33:27
  Speaker 11: here in Australia.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Just before we go, I'm not going to traverse all
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: the stuff last week with just Enterprise and Susan Lee,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: but there's a poll out today Reserve political monitors. Basically
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: half the country forty nine percent aren't happy with the
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: way labor is handling migration. Please tell me that after
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: everything that's happened over the last week. Lives are not
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: going to be gun shy talking about immigration. That you're
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: not going to shy away from the debate. That Australians
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: are absolutely desperate. They're having it at home and they
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: are desperate for this to be an orderly, adult policy
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: driven national debate. Please tell me Andrew that you're going
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: to get up and have that debate.
• 34:10
  Speaker 11: Of course, I already gave a speech about fifty three
• 34:13
  Speaker 11: days ago. It's almost had a million views on my
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: Instagram where I called for a cup to net overseas migration.
• 34:19
  Speaker 11: I called for a cup to Labour's uncontrolled migration, and
• 34:23
  Speaker 11: I called for us to put Australians first, so young
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: Australians can get into a home, Australians aren't spending all
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: this time on congested roads, so Australians can get into
• 34:32
  Speaker 11: hospital hospitals which I congested at the moment. So we're
• 34:37
  Speaker 11: not going to shy away from having a tough conversation
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: about immigration. It's a conversation that we need to have
• 34:42
  Speaker 11: as a country. And I've got to tell you, you know,
• 34:44
  Speaker 11: the average person on the street, they see it, they
• 34:47
  Speaker 11: feel it, and they're very concerned.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: So we need to respond to that, well.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: That is reassuring. Andrew Hasty, thank you. If you want
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: to get on his email list like I am, just
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: jump into his website Andrew Hasty website and sign up
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: to it to I think it lands Saturday morning. It's
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: always there when I look at it. Anyway. Enjoy now
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: that promised special preview of Tony Abbitt's upcoming Sky News documentary.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Here it is. It's called Australia a History, and it's
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: going to air. It's a three part series over three
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: very special nights from the thirteenth of October right through
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: the fifteenth. I know it's been a huge labor of
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: love for the former PM, a former boss and his
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: documentary crew. It takes an optimistic but clear eyed approach
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: to Australia's national story, from the first flee to our
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: transformation as a global leader in democracy.
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: Our history is complex, but we can't build a future
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: that's divided.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Here in our story like never before, with former Prime
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Minister Tony Abbott as he retraces Australia's history, what makes.
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: Us a great nation is the freedom that we have here.
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: The obstacles we overcame.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: This is not just unheard of but basically unthinkable.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: It was a revolt against indecent treatment and beings.
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: And the events that transformed down nation.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: The generation that went through the Great Depression followed by
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: the Worst War wanted a better society.
• 36:16
  Speaker 12: We are representative of a nation that you don't see
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: around the world much.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Anyone over three nights there is a decent balance about
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: Australian society.
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: An unmissible special event. Your story is now our story.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Australia A History from October thirteen, seven thirty pm on
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Sky News.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait to see it. I know it's been working
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: on the book and the documentary for well over a year,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: So there it is. It'll screen Australia A History. You're
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  Speaker 2: on Sky Used October thirteen to fifteen at half past
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  Speaker 2: seven Australia Eastern Standard Time. All right, quick break, after
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  Speaker 2: the break. The brave Queensland child psychiatrist who's blown the
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  Speaker 2: whistle on ender affirming care for children. She has now
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  Speaker 2: been sacked. Doctor Gillian Spencer joins me, welcome back. With
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  Speaker 2: all the police resources at his fingertips. Why s THEPM
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  Speaker 2: now cowering to pro Palestine activists by closing down his
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  Speaker 2: electorate office and those huge protests in London over the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: What do they mean for the UK but also here
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  Speaker 2: in Australia. First, she'll all be very familiar with doctor
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  Speaker 2: Gillian Spencer, the child psychiatrist who's been outspoken about the
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  Speaker 2: potential harm of gender medicine and gender affirming care when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to children. She's appeared here on my program
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  Speaker 2: several times and she's argued for many years that these
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  Speaker 2: things need proper scientific inquiry. And what she has said
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: has now been backed up by major reports in the
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  Speaker 2: United Kingdom and elsewhere. In twenty twenty three, doctor Spencer
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  Speaker 2: was suspended from her job at the Queensland Children's Hospital,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm very sad now to report that she's been
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  Speaker 2: sent to termination notice by Queensland Health. Doctor Jillian Spencer
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  Speaker 2: joins me. Now, so thank you, doctor Jillian fit for
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  Speaker 2: your time, just so everyone at home can follow this through.
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  Speaker 2: You've got this notice from the Queensland Health Department terminating
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  Speaker 2: your employment. But this has come to you before the
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  Speaker 2: Industrial Relations Court has adjudicated on your whistleblower status, and
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  Speaker 2: you've also got another legal challenge pending that Queensland Health
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: has breached you human rights under the Anti Discrimination Act. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I would have thought that all of those things had
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: to be resolved before they could sack you.
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  Speaker 13: This whistleblower decision is really important for protecting my job.
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  Speaker 13: According to the legislation, if the public sector entity, which
• 38:54
  Speaker 13: in this case is the hospital, chooses not to investigate
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  Speaker 13: or deal with the danger within six months, then you've
• 39:00
  Speaker 13: got the right to speak to the media. And I
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  Speaker 13: made my public interest disclosure in mid twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 13: and the hospital didn't investigate or deal with the danger,
• 39:09
  Speaker 13: and I didn't start speaking out in the media until
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  Speaker 13: twelve months later. And so I think the hospital knows
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  Speaker 13: just how important this whistleblower decision is to my case,
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  Speaker 13: and that's why they're acting now to find me before
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  Speaker 13: that decision comes through.
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  Speaker 2: Look is that legal? I mean, can they do that?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I hope not. Well, so do I
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  Speaker 2: Because the thing is, everything you've been saying and blowing
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: the whistle on for so long has been vindicated, as
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: we can see in the cast review in the United
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Kingdom and elsewhere. I mean, you are ahead of the
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: curve on this issue. You've even got to in Queensland now,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: a review into the use of puberty blockers. You've never
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: said don't use them. You've just said, we've got to
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: be so careful. It shouldn't be the first thing we
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: go to with our young people. We should deal with
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: the psychiatric causes of some of their genderis fire and
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: other things. Now, surely most parents watching the program tonight
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: would say, you are absolutely on the money.
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  Speaker 13: Yes, I just don't understand why they want to burn
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  Speaker 13: me at the stake. They just don't seem to have
• 40:18
  Speaker 13: any sympathy for the very difficult situation that I had
• 40:22
  Speaker 13: to face. First, I had to watch troubled and confuse
• 40:25
  Speaker 13: children being put on harmful gender interventions at the hospital,
• 40:29
  Speaker 13: and when I repeatedly raise concerns, they were dismissed. And
• 40:33
  Speaker 13: then they sent me a lawful direction forcing me to
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  Speaker 13: participate in this harming of these children. And then they
• 40:41
  Speaker 13: stood me down for a false complaint. And every letter
• 40:45
  Speaker 13: that I get from HR tells me that I'm not
• 40:47
  Speaker 13: allowed to discuss my disciplinary matters publicly in order to
• 40:50
  Speaker 13: preserve the integrity of the process. But what it feels
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  Speaker 13: like to me is like being on a plane with hijackers,
• 40:57
  Speaker 13: where they just want you to sit quietly and not
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  Speaker 13: resist while they do something awful.
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  Speaker 2: What if we were talking about we've got a good
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: case in the case of solidimide. What if if a
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: doctor had stayed silent about polimide in its connection to
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: the morning sickness drug that precipitated those horrific birth injuries.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: What if there was another modern drug out there in
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: the marketplace that you could see was really damaging in
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: a physical way Australian kids, We would be condemning you
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  Speaker 2: for staying silent. But because this is in that very
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: vexed and woke area of transgender advocacy and proselytizing, I
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: have to say we somehow we're not but certainly your
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: bosses are shouting you down, but we would want you
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  Speaker 2: to speak your mind in terms of your clinical approaches
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: to doctor Shorley.
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  Speaker 13: That's what I thought too, And when I was in
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  Speaker 13: the Hostle Hospital, I really did believe the hospital values
• 42:02
  Speaker 13: which were all about integrity and doing the right thing,
• 42:07
  Speaker 13: and I was made to do mandatory training and speaking
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  Speaker 13: up for safety. I honestly thought that the hospital would
• 42:13
  Speaker 13: want me to speak up and to keep speaking up
• 42:15
  Speaker 13: to protect patients.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: So what happens now we've got the state government inquiry
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: into puberty blockers and children. It's set to report in November.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: You've got these other legal processes to play out. I mean,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: is there any hope that they would be forced to
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  Speaker 2: potentially reinstate te Queensland Health? Do we even want to
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: work for them anymore? I don't know what's going to happen.
• 42:41
  Speaker 13: I was sent this termination notice and I've got fourteen
• 42:44
  Speaker 13: days to respond to say why they shouldn't fire me.
• 42:49
  Speaker 13: I know it's been two and a half years, but
• 42:52
  Speaker 13: I'm still in denial. I just can't believe that I
• 42:55
  Speaker 13: would lose my job, and I'm just desperately hoping that
• 42:59
  Speaker 13: our Qeensland Health Minister, mister Tim Nichols, will step in
• 43:03
  Speaker 13: to prevent the hospital from firing me. And when he
• 43:07
  Speaker 13: does that, I am going to be his biggest fan,
• 43:11
  Speaker 13: because he is the man that implemented the ban on
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  Speaker 13: hormonal interventions for children in Queensland, and he's the man
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  Speaker 13: that ordered the Ruth Vine Review, and so I know
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  Speaker 13: that he's got the courage to make the right decision
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  Speaker 13: to protect children, and I'm waiting for him to protect
• 43:29
  Speaker 13: me too.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Well, there you go. David Christophiley, the Premier in Tim Nichols.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Tim Nichols, you heard that there, Jillian spends the needs
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  Speaker 2: some common sense action from a can do politician. You'll
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: be making calls and I will be too as soon
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  Speaker 2: as I get off fair. Thank you very much, Jillian,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: and we're all with you in this and we wish
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: you the best. Will stay across obviously where it progresses from. Now,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: let's go to a quick break after the break. Why
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: is the PM coward to pro Palestinian activists and the
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: blatant double standard in those harmful videos at the Year
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Safety Commissioner says must come down the double standard? After
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: the break? All right, welcome back. Let's bring you my
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: panel now, Senior fellow of the Mensies Research Center, columnists
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: at The Australian, Nick Kata and Pauline and Hanson's chief
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: of staff James Ashby. Nick, I'll start with you if
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I can. The Safety watchdog over the Way kend has
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: asked social media companies to try and keep from the
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: public the video of Charlie Kirk being shot. Now, obviously
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I've seen it. It's very gruesome. I hate to come
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: across it by accident online. But what concerns me is
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I don't remember a similar concern about the videos of
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: George Floyd dyeing. They were very publicly available. There's a
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: lot of pretty horrific stuff coming out of Gaza. I'm
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: not saying that this should be silenced, but I think
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: there needs to be a uniform rule because the last
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: time she wanted stuff down was the staff having of
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: the Archiebishop allegedly by that teenager later charged with Islamist
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: terror offenses. It seems that violence against one side is
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: always taken down, and alleged violence on the other side
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  Speaker 2: seems to be left online.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I think the broad point is valid. You know,
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: we don't want kids seeing really nasty stuff, but this
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: has a deeply political element to it, and the e
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: Safety Commissioner would have been wise to stay out of
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  Speaker 7: this one. Look from what I can read about the gunment,
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: it seems he was a kid who has deeply immersed
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: in the world of computer games. You know, where you
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: go on and you shoot the baddies and there's no consequence.
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: I think it's good for kids, good for all of
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: us to realize that in the real world things are different,
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: Like bullets really mess up people, and I just think
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: that to take this down. And you know, I think
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: the lesson there for kids if they were to watch
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  Speaker 7: it with a supportive parent to say, well, look, this
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: is what happens in the real world. It's all one
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: to play this on a video game, but it's quite
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: another thing to do it to a real human being,
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  Speaker 7: particularly one who I think was a very good man.
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  Speaker 2: What about the Prime Minister? If I can James Ashby
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  Speaker 2: with all the resources of the Australian Federal Police, and
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: you know, you know better than anyone the protection that
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: most electorate officers have, he's tail twenty's leg, shutting down
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: his office and walking away because of aggressive pro Palestine protesters.
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  Speaker 14: Well, this is what happens when you continue to pander
• 46:36
  Speaker 14: to the left. They just want more and more and
• 46:39
  Speaker 14: more and more, and it never ends. Despite him saying
• 46:42
  Speaker 14: he's going to recognize Palestine as a state, despite allowing
• 46:47
  Speaker 14: three thousand Palestinians into the country on protection visas or
• 46:51
  Speaker 14: holiday visas I think they were at the time, it's
• 46:54
  Speaker 14: never enough for the left and they just keep pushing
• 46:57
  Speaker 14: and pushing. It's disgraceful to think that the Prime Minister
• 47:00
  Speaker 14: is hardly over there, to be honest, and I know
• 47:03
  Speaker 14: that because the PM you'll often find is in Canberra.
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: That's where he lives these days.
• 47:07
  Speaker 14: So a lot of these protesters are simply terrorizing the
• 47:11
  Speaker 14: staff within that office. And I don't care whether you're
• 47:13
  Speaker 14: from Labor, the Greens, or Liberal or One Nation. No
• 47:17
  Speaker 14: one should be targeted, particularly staff when you're elected member
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  Speaker 14: here in this country.
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: It's only getting worse.
• 47:25
  Speaker 14: And look at who are the biggest losers year constituents
• 47:27
  Speaker 14: at the end of the day, because they won't have
• 47:29
  Speaker 14: a door to go and walk through when they've got
• 47:30
  Speaker 14: woes or issues that need dealing with at a federal
• 47:33
  Speaker 14: level from a politician, more importantly, the number one politician
• 47:37
  Speaker 14: in this country, the Prime Minister.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Let's go to those huge rallies in London on the weekend.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Officially they say over one hundred thousand people. Nick, you
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: and I know London. Well, you look at the aerial
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: shots a dy it looks a hell of a lot
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: bigger to be than one hundred thousand people. These were
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: marchers to they say, you unite the Kingdom. And obviously
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: a big part of this was the reaction in Britain
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: against mass migration. What do you think the message is
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: here for our politicians.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I think that feeling is as strong here as
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: he did in the UK, as he did in Germany,
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: as it is right across the western world pretty much.
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: I think this is a crisis for multiculturalism. I think
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: this whole state run multiculturalism thing has reached its end.
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: We need to think again, and we need to listen
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: to people who actually feel the effects of this. You know,
• 48:31
  Speaker 7: you don't see it in vore clues, for instance, but
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: if you go out of the western suburbs of Sydney
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: out to say Liverpool or those sort of regions, they
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: have to put up with the effect on house prices
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: and everything else that goes along. I think that it's
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: so easy for the political class to say, oh, you're
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: all a bunch of racists and just shut up.
• 48:50
  Speaker 8: Well you can see.
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: That people have been reluctant to speak up to now,
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: but they're coming out now and this will not stop.
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: And the point you made earlier to Andrew Hasty, the
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: Coalition needs to get on top of this issue because
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: this will be a burning issue in the next election
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: and if they don't then they will lose votes to
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: somebody who will take this issue seriously.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Let me play a quick grab from the Secretary the
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: United Firefighters in Victoria. Peter Marshall have.
• 49:20
  Speaker 12: Listen, areas of Melbourne don't have fire trucks because this
• 49:25
  Speaker 12: government will not invest in him. And as we hear
• 49:28
  Speaker 12: Tom's spin. So at the end of the day, this
• 49:30
  Speaker 12: is a government that's got a terrible policy that they're
• 49:33
  Speaker 12: not being honest with the public about. They're lying to
• 49:36
  Speaker 12: the public about the fire protection they've got and they
• 49:39
  Speaker 12: need to actually me vaide accountable. How do you do that?
• 49:42
  Speaker 12: Go to where it matters, go to the people that
• 49:44
  Speaker 12: elect them into parliament.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: You've got the police fighting against labor. You've got the
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: firefighters now fighting about to launch to be a campaigned
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: on Sunday and running all the way through the next election.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: You've got the farmers fighting against labor. It's a pretty
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: rotten in Victoria. James.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, But as the sad part is, this is a
• 50:03
  Speaker 14: premier who's likely to get re elected. Peter, go figure. Look,
• 50:07
  Speaker 14: the firefighters have had troubles in Victoria ever since I
• 50:10
  Speaker 14: can remember coming back into the Federal Parliament in twenty sixteen.
• 50:13
  Speaker 14: I've seen this play out. But it was the firefighters
• 50:16
  Speaker 14: that copped at the hardest during COVID as well, a
• 50:19
  Speaker 14: lot of them have only just been able to return
• 50:22
  Speaker 14: to work, those ones who refuse to get the JAB.
• 50:24
  Speaker 14: So no wonder they're turning on this government. And I
• 50:27
  Speaker 14: hope that the CFA and the state firefighters really really
• 50:32
  Speaker 14: do have an impact on this state election and turf
• 50:35
  Speaker 14: this damn terrible labor government out.
• 50:39
  Speaker 6: Here.
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  Speaker 2: Jens, I leave there, see you both next week. That's
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: it for me. James McPherson up next.