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• 0:09
  Speaker 1: This is the bulk reform it.
• 0:14
  Speaker 2: Well, surely now the Liberals realized they faced total destruction
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: from One Nation. First, the Liberals has smashed the South
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: Australian election.
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: Not just by labor.
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: The Liberals won just five seats there while One Nation
• 0:29
  Speaker 2: won four. And now last Saturday, and I was in
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: the area, One Nation won the by election for the
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: federal seat of Farah. In fact, it humiliated the Liberals
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: and the Nationals too, One Nation's David Farley winning twice
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: the combined vote of those two coalition parties that had
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: held that seat for seventy eight years.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: Leader Pauline Hansen was rocking.
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  Speaker 2: It at the One Nation Party party party. Now let
• 1:07
  Speaker 2: me stress how astonishing this result is. A coalition vote in.
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: Farrer Haved in just one year.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the Liberals can't survive this by sticking to business
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: as usual, you know, just a trim here, a little
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: policy tweak there. And it must already be clear that
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: they cannot survive under leader Angus Taylor. If they're if
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: they are going to survive, step one to recovery is
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: going to be to have to get rid of him.
• 1:41
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: I know it's a tough call. You know Taylor's only
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: been leader for three months. YadA, YadA, all the excuse
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: I heard them all on election night. But let me
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: show you something. Angus Taylor leaving the Liberal function at
• 1:54
  Speaker 2: Aubridy's Commercial Club on Saturday night after conceding defeat, he
• 1:57
  Speaker 2: spoke briefly to someone on the way out, but then
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: walked the entire width of that room without one of
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: the diehard liberal supporters still there shaking his hand and
• 2:07
  Speaker 2: saying hello, even meeting him.
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: In the eye, A dead man walking.
• 2:14
  Speaker 2: I'll show you something more that speech Taylor gave that
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: night to the fifty or so supporters and officials who
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: still bothered to turn up. Was there anything he said
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: or in the way that he said it that tells
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  Speaker 2: liberals this is the man to excite the voters, this
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: is the.
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: Man with the vision.
• 2:33
  Speaker 2: Instead, there was another of Taylor's dumb slogans.
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: Aren't you sick of all that alliteration? For too long?
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: We have been a party of convenience, not of conviction,
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: whom conviction not convenience. Now, look, Taylor's absolutely right.
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: The Liberals do need to speak with conviction and not
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: slogan conviction. I mean real conviction, like Hanson did again
• 3:03
  Speaker 2: to her supporters celebrating that same night nearby at Aubrey's
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  Speaker 2: Bended Elbow Pub in a real party of the working class.
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  Speaker 4: I'm seeing Australians here from hundreds of you, the millions
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  Speaker 4: are watching her tens now and I believe it's.
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  Speaker 2: Giving them a hope. Now, if you want conviction not convenience,
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  Speaker 2: Hanson is of course that person. She was against mass
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: immigration and multiculturalism and the global warming cult when it
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: sure was not convenient. In fact, the political class, you
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: might remember, made her pay a huge.
• 3:43
  Speaker 1: Price for it.
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  Speaker 2: Hanson was kicked out of the Liberal Party, she was
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  Speaker 2: denounced as an extremist, and as recently as last weekend
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  Speaker 2: some clown in the Sydney Morning Herald sneered again that
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  Speaker 2: she was a racist. But now millions of Australians are
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: agreeing with her. Yes, mass immigration has swamped Australia, multiculturalism
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  Speaker 2: has divided Australia, and the global warming cult has beggared Australia.
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  Speaker 2: And oh gosh, there's and If Taylor saying on Saturday,
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  Speaker 2: yes the Liberals must be the party of conviction not convenience,
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  Speaker 2: and yes we need to slash immigration. Yes, we need
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  Speaker 2: to get the right immigrants, and yes we must stop
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: this zero madness.
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  Speaker 1: But is that Taylor.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking from conviction or convenience because in the past he
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  Speaker 2: actually was the Minister for emissions reduction do you remember that?
• 4:36
  Speaker 2: And he was saying back then, oh, I don't question
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  Speaker 2: the global warming science when he should have, and he
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: went along with the elevated immigration in takes of that
• 4:44
  Speaker 2: time too. He's only changed his mind now because clearly
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  Speaker 2: Hanson has forced him too.
• 4:50
  Speaker 1: Because it's convenient.
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  Speaker 2: But mister convenient had another slogan on Saturday for you all,
• 4:58
  Speaker 2: you know, more speaking like a flim flam man and
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  Speaker 2: not someone speaking from the heart.
• 5:04
  Speaker 4: If the vote sprays, then labor stays, and if labor stays,
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  Speaker 4: then Australians pay.
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  Speaker 1: Seriously, who speaks like that?
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  Speaker 2: And he said that slogan three times like it was
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: you know, this was the punch through line. I mean
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  Speaker 2: slogans as claims is that are so unconvincing and this
• 5:32
  Speaker 2: one actually turned out to be wrong for the night.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the vote in Pharah.
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  Speaker 2: It's sprayed now all those conservative parties and one nation
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  Speaker 2: still won.
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  Speaker 1: It beat the Teal candidate.
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  Speaker 2: It'd been a favorite to win, someone who was a
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  Speaker 2: climate catastrophus had been backed by teal Senator David Pocock
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  Speaker 2: by till Master on one climate two hundred by half a
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: million dollars from the left wing Get Up Activist group.
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: By the way, it's the message there to the liberals,
• 5:58
  Speaker 2: you can beat the teals from the right, and you
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: don't have to move to the left. But the whole debate,
• 6:05
  Speaker 2: you know, that's the whole debate. Isn't that that we
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: keep hearing right now from the liberals. I mean, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we must move.
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  Speaker 1: To the left.
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  Speaker 2: No, we must move to the right, which proves my
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  Speaker 2: point right, no convictions.
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  Speaker 1: They just want to win. The only debate for many.
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  Speaker 2: Of them is, you know, whether to pretend to be
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: labor light or pretend to be conservative. When you're probably
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  Speaker 2: asking why don't they just fight for what they damn
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  Speaker 2: believe and let the chips fall where they may fight,
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  Speaker 2: like Hanson has risk even jail or worse criticism from
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: the ABC, just fight and be yourself. Now does any
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: Talor seem like that kind of fighter to you? Well,
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: I don't think he does to even many.
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: Liberals. Those of them are still left.
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  Speaker 2: I mean Holly Hughes was a Liberal senator and so
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: she lost the pre selection last year. Bought a pub
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: in Rydal in the new Southwest Central Table and she
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: invited Hanson to speak at the pub next weekend.
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: Sold out which Liberal leader would sell out there? Now?
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  Speaker 2: The Liberals won't survive this unless they now look like
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  Speaker 2: the change they claim to want, unless they are that change,
• 7:24
  Speaker 2: the blend for that change. That's true. I know some
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  Speaker 2: there that are fighters. I respect them. At Angus Taylor,
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: time's up already. Just a ps to that I said
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  Speaker 2: by Nations Winnim Farah is a disaster for the Liberals,
• 7:45
  Speaker 2: and it clearly is, but it also gave them left
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: a huge smack. And the reason we're not talking about
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: it also being you know, a disaster for labor is
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: that labor this time didn't even dare run a candidate.
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: It did last year, but this time too scared of
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: the voters. Can you imagine how the Albaniz government would
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: have gone in Pararh after interest rates went up for
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: a third straight time, and after it led in Islamic
• 8:07
  Speaker 2: state wives and children, And then there was the Teal
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: backed independent who was running as One Nation.
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: She did get thrashed.
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  Speaker 2: Now what's more, the Greens vote it halved again in
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  Speaker 2: just one year, it halved and without labor, this time
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: running and taking votes away from it. So yes, it's
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: true that One Nation is most of all a huge
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: threat to the Liberals and Nationals, But like Njor Faraja's
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: Reform Party in Britain, it's also taking votes off labor
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  Speaker 2: because one Nation really is you know, forget that old
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: you know, left versus the right business. It is a
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  Speaker 2: party of the working class taking votes from both sides,
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  Speaker 2: and even more now a part of the working class
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  Speaker 2: than labor.
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  Speaker 1: Is One Nation.
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  Speaker 2: MP Bannaby Joyce, the former Deputy Prome Minister, sent message
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  Speaker 2: about exactly that to premise Anthony Albanisi on Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: Western Sydney Here we come.
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  Speaker 2: But Albanisi, I couldn't believe what I was listening to
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  Speaker 2: on the ABC this morning. He actually blamed the Liberals
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: and Nationals for creating this one nation threat. You know,
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: he actually had the height to say, oh, look, the
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: Liberals were wrong to pick up on the issues that
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: are driving this white hot anger against the ruling class,
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  Speaker 2: against all the ruling parties.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the issues like the.
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  Speaker 2: Mass immigration that have been pushed on them for decades
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  Speaker 2: from now, the important many years and the importing of
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  Speaker 2: foreign troubles and the cost of living crisis.
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  Speaker 4: I think the Liberal Party and National Party made a
• 9:46
  Speaker 4: big mistake legitimizing one nation and saying in adopting many
• 9:52
  Speaker 4: of their policies but a lighter version of them, and
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  Speaker 4: then following that up by giving damn preferences. They were saying,
• 10:01
  Speaker 4: effectively that it was okay to vote for one nation
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  Speaker 4: rather than the traditional conservative parties.
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  Speaker 2: The Liberals didn't create one nation, you know, by legitimizing it.
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  Speaker 2: It created one nation by demonizing it and ignoring the
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  Speaker 2: issues it was raising. And here's how bit easy now saying, oh,
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: the Liberals shouldn't listen to the people, shouldn't encourage the people,
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: don't give the people what they demand. No, he says,
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: you know, apparently the big parties must all be just
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: like labor and ignore the working class. Meanwhile, the Albaniza
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: government faces another nightmare. It's run out of money and
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: it's got a budget to deliver tomorrow, so it's going
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: to break two more promises to try to make it
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  Speaker 2: all add up.
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: Now. Just one year ago, Albanez he told.
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  Speaker 2: Us to trust him, he'd keep that fifty percent tax
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: discount on capital gains and keep the negative gearing arrangement
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  Speaker 2: used by so many strands to build a nest egg.
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  Speaker 2: And he was angry that anyone should doubt that such
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: an honest man might actually be laying. Do you rule
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  Speaker 2: out changes to negative gearing if elected?
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  Speaker 5: Yes or no?
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  Speaker 3: Andrew, you asked me that before twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: With respect.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure you asked me because I was our s
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  Speaker 3: Lots of times I told people we wouldn't make changes
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  Speaker 3: the proofs in the pudding, Andrew, if we were going
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  Speaker 3: to make changes, then why haven't we?
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  Speaker 2: M m ah Whitey And a year later and his
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  Speaker 2: budget tomorrow will scrap both the capital gains tacks discount
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  Speaker 2: and negative gearing. Because you're supposed to believe, well, circumstances
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: have somehow and suddenly changed in just one year.
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  Speaker 6: If governments changed their mind or changed the position that
• 11:59
  Speaker 6: they previously held, the responsibility is on government to explain that, well,
• 12:04
  Speaker 6: the government gets a range of information all the time,
• 12:07
  Speaker 6: and we have to consider that and make decisions based
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  Speaker 6: on it.
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  Speaker 2: You're also supposed to believe that the governor is something
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  Speaker 2: so worried about something it calls generational inequity was essentially
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: parents stealing from their children, today's generation rubbing the next.
• 12:25
  Speaker 7: Why are you about to break a promise?
• 12:27
  Speaker 4: People are frustrated issues like inter generational equity. People are
• 12:32
  Speaker 4: worried that a younger Australians are never going to get
• 12:35
  Speaker 4: a crack at home ownership.
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: It so dishonest.
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: You know, if this government is so worried about intergenerational inequity,
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: why is it racking up massive debt and deficits for
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: years to come to give today's generation handouts that tomorrow's
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: generation they're going to have to pay for. Join me
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  Speaker 2: and Michael Kroger former President, Victor in Liberals is Steve Conroy,
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  Speaker 2: former Labor senator and Cavint min is the gentlemen. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: to you both. Michael. First of all, what is Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albanese's promised worth.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's worth nothing and the guy's a liar. And
• 13:17
  Speaker 5: just as Labor demonized Scott Morrison in the lead up
• 13:20
  Speaker 5: to the twenty two election and demonised Peter Dutton leading
• 13:23
  Speaker 5: up to the twenty five election, you know everyone saying, oh,
• 13:26
  Speaker 5: that's so unpopular, can't vait for the little part of
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  Speaker 5: the leaders. It's unpopular because Labor deliberately targeted them and
• 13:31
  Speaker 5: undermined them. The Liberal Party federally should for the next
• 13:35
  Speaker 5: two years say of Albanezi, this guy's a lion of
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  Speaker 5: fraud and his word can't be trusted, he can't tell
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  Speaker 5: the truth, and they should demonize him in the same
• 13:45
  Speaker 5: way that Labor did it to Dutton and Morrison. And
• 13:48
  Speaker 5: by the way, they didn't have much to be demonized about,
• 13:51
  Speaker 5: but Labor did it. Anyway, Look what this guy's done.
• 13:54
  Speaker 5: We've seen all the clips that you've shown, and the
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  Speaker 5: others which we've all seen are the fifty times, etc.
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: And this guy is a liaron of fraud and is
• 14:02
  Speaker 5: his treasurer and the Federal Liberal Party should point this
• 14:05
  Speaker 5: out Andrew for the next two years.
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's true, Stephen how Bits, he claimed to
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: have said fifty times that he would not cut capital gains,
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: discount and negative gearing.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: Now he will. What is this word worth?
• 14:24
  Speaker 8: Wellre's no question if, as expected and heavily reported, now
• 14:28
  Speaker 8: that they make these changes, they will lose some paint.
• 14:33
  Speaker 8: No question that the sort of tactics Michael's just described
• 14:38
  Speaker 8: will be the go to position and for a desperate
• 14:40
  Speaker 8: angless Taylor, the only good news, as you've described as
• 14:43
  Speaker 8: his dead man walking and no one will taking any notice.
• 14:45
  Speaker 8: But look, frankly, I'm a fan of Andrew Hastis. I
• 14:48
  Speaker 8: think he's a very honorable human being, and he's already
• 14:52
  Speaker 8: said that he would support these sort of changes, and
• 14:56
  Speaker 8: you know, Andrew's, you know, the future of the Liberal Party.
• 15:00
  Speaker 8: I think that it'll be a very interesting couple of
• 15:04
  Speaker 8: months where you know, Jim Chalmers said, and now Albo
• 15:09
  Speaker 8: has said, we've got to make this case and we've
• 15:11
  Speaker 8: got to make it hard in the face of what
• 15:13
  Speaker 8: will be a ferocious attack from the conservative media and
• 15:16
  Speaker 8: a ferocious attack, albeit led by a poodle in Angus Taylor.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Well, honestly, this is the same government that promised to
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: cut up our bills for two hundred and seventy five dollars.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: It's the same government that promised not to change those
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: tax cuts going to the first selection. It is not
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: just a bunch of liars. They are shameless liars. Their
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: word is worth nothing now. But Michael just picking up
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: on a point there that you know Stephen touched on.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: It's all very well.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: To condemn the government for being liars, and they should be.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: But what the Liberals actually reverse these changes? Should they
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: promise to?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I hope they do, and of course they should
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: promise to. You know, one of the things the Federal
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: Parliamentary Party should do is to follow Kerry Packers old maxim,
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: which is you're not spending it well well enough to
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: warrant being given anymore. And they should say blank right out.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: Under the Taylor government, there are no tax increases, zero
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: tax increases. We've got to go about cutting government spending.
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, government spending has gone through the roof from
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: you know, twenty four and a bit to twenty six
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: point nine a percentage of GDP.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: You know, Taylor.
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: Charmers has spent like a drunken sailor. And Taylor ought
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: to have a principle we're not increasing taxes. We're going
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: to reverse these and no tax increases under a Tailor government.
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: I mean. One final point on this er is this
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  Speaker 5: the Federal Parliamentary Liberal Party and National Party have've actually
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: got to start announcing serious economic policies. As I've said
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: to you over the months, the next election could be
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: year and a half away. There's no point you know
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: this naval gazing.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: We've got to do better.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: We've got to look at our principles and get back.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: To the power for the mind.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: We know all that, We know all that. The Federal
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: Parliamentary Party got to start coming out with some serious,
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  Speaker 5: serious policies and if Saturday's result going from forty three
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: to twelve doesn't tell them that, then they can't be helped.
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: So a really good start would be Angus Taylor's budget
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: reply on Thursday night to lay down some serious markers
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: about where his government would take this country.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I want to come back to you on that one, Michael.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: But Stephen, you know we are talking about, as I
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: did at the start of the show, this being a
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: disaster as it is for the Liberals and as Michael
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: just alluded to there. But let's not forget that Labor
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: didn't have the guts to run the Candida this time,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: because if they did, they would have got absolutely slaughtered
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: as well, and we'd be talking about them as well,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: wouldn't we.
• 17:55
  Speaker 8: Well, look, there's a very well worn political maximum. When
• 17:59
  Speaker 8: you opponents are brawling in the middle of the street
• 18:03
  Speaker 8: under spotlights, you step back and you let them keep
• 18:05
  Speaker 8: doing it. So I don't Labor pulled out because it
• 18:08
  Speaker 8: was scared. I think it was absolutely the smart political
• 18:11
  Speaker 8: decision because now we have nothing but complete chaos.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: You know, are they forming a coalition?
• 18:18
  Speaker 8: Are they not forming a coalition?
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: No, We've had spokespeople from both sides of that debate
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: inside the Liberal Party. In twenty four hours we've got
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: Barnaby saying, well, wait, don't actually want to form a
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: coalition with you?
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: It stick coalition.
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: So the arrogance and hubris of one nation is great
• 18:35
  Speaker 8: to watch, and the complete debarcle that is the federal
• 18:39
  Speaker 8: opposition has been great to watch. So I don't accept
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: your premise this was the good dodge political good dodge.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: It is good in.
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  Speaker 2: Fact, you know, But then, Stephen, don't just wonder now
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: on that. You know where the Liberals would have done
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: a smart political move to say no, please, National Party,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: your turn to run for farreh supicide. They might of
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: douglass that same thing too. That might have been a
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: smart move. Michael the Pharaoh bye election. Yeah, well, I
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: think it would have made. The more I think about it,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: the more that would have been a smart move. Indeed,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: and Michael laughing tells me I'm dead right, Michael, But seriously,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: the Pharaoh by election. Does this prove I know it's
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: only been there three months, but does this prove that
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor has absolutely finished as a leader. I noticed
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: some exasperation that I assume came from your listening to
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: is one of the worst speeches I've ever heard on
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Saturday night, And in fact, the woman who replaced Susan
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Lee pointed out on Saturday the things are worse under
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Taylor than they were under her and the party must
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: indeed change your day.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: Well, look, Angus Tyler can start on Thursday night. That'll
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: be a year since the last election, and they've had
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: enough time to reflect on why they lost in twenty
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: twenty two. In twenty twenty five, I'm sure they've done
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: some deep thinking about policy and Thursday night where would
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: be a good place to start in his budget reply?
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: And if I ring as Taylor, I'd be giving as
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: John Howard did five or six Headland speeches, serious speeches
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: on the future of the country under a Taylor government.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, I hear more than anything I hear from
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: people they don't know what the Liberal Party stands for
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: these days. Not quite so in Victoria, because I think
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: Jess Wilson's carving out her own very good niche. But
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: federally people say, I don't know what you guys stand for,
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: and Taylor's got to start putting meat on the bones.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: There's no point waiting any longer.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: I mean a year's gone by since the last election,
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: and as I said, the next one's not that far away,
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: so the suit of the better and Thursday night would
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: be the time.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Andrew Well, I noted your praise for Jess Sir Wilson
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: in Victoria, the Liberal leader there, but have to say
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: much as people say, well, she's much better as a leader.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: The polls two party preferred do not as yet show
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: a great dividend to the party, not a great improvement.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: So I think we need to see a lot more
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: there as well. Michael Krog Receiver Conroy, thank you very
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: much to you both. We'll see, I know, but she
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: needs to pull a finger out there after the break.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Labor in Britain is also smashed in election just last
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: week Thursday by a revolt of the working class.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: There's a pattern here, Greg Sheridan.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: After this, now, this one nation style revolution is not
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: just happening here in Australia, This big fu to the
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: ruling class, to the politicians, the bureaucrats, activists and journalists
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: who have run a kind of exclusive political club and
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: run the country to the ground, smashed the workers. This
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: fu is brilliantly summed up in The Australian Today by
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: cartoonist Johanna Sleek in the country that gave us the
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: big Banana and the big Marino, and the big praw
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: out from Albury the big Finger. But in America we've
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: seen the same thing. Of course, Donald Trump leading a
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: revolt against what he called the swamp. And in Britain
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: last week another astonishing working class revolution that you think
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: a Marxist would love, was of the fact that most
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Marxists these days are employed or funded by governments. In
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Britain's elections last week for local councils plus the parliaments
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: of Scotland and Wales, the Labor governor Keith Stamer was humiliated.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I mean Labour lost more than eleven hundred councilors. The
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Conservative Party, the other party of government, they lost five hundred,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: and the anti immigration reform Party of Nije Varaj, in contrast,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: won more than fourteen hundred seats. This was a massive,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: massive defeat for the so called parties of government. Join me,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: it's the country's top foreign affairs rudder. Greg Sheridan of
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: The Australian, Greg, great to see you again. Voters here
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: in Britain are flocking to these new working class parties
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: that are none of the above. They're not backing the
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: government parties of the left and right.
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: Why is that, well, Andrew, It's great to be with you.
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: This is a big phenomenon right across the Western world. Trump,
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: Nigel Farraj and Pauline Hansen are evidence of the same phenomenon,
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: and you can see it in Europe as well, with
• 23:24
  Speaker 9: Georgia Maloney and Francine.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Le Pen and so on.
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: A whole swag of voters are saying politics doesn't work anymore.
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: Not just that it doesn't work for us, but they're
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: saying it doesn't work.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Here's a headline.
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: I write about this tomorrow, but no one else seems
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: to have taken out of the Pharaoh by election. Sixty
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: five percent of voters in Pharaoh voted for parties and
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: candidates who reject net zero. Nigel Faraj and the British
• 23:51
  Speaker 9: Conservatives both reject net zero. They're about fifty percent between
• 23:55
  Speaker 9: the two of them.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Are the vote.
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: Donald Trump won the popular vote acting net zero. Yet
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: every jackass and gala in Australia tells you that to
• 24:05
  Speaker 9: reject net zero is electoral suicide. Now, I think conservative
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: parties have not been very conservative and they've constantly let
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: down their voters. So the voters finally said, well, if
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: we can't get changed through you, we're going to throw
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: you bums out. We're going to try somebody else. And
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: you know, Trump, Argent Hanson are very different, but they're
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: all evidence of the same phenomenon.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Look, you make a very good point, and don't forget
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: you know, net zero. Of course, those policies hurt the poor.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Most people can't afford to put on the heating for
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: God's sake, or you know, drive car afford petrol now
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: at the moment. And then there's also mass immigration, which
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: hurts poor suburbs most, the lack of integration and any
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: associated chrime.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's funny.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: So now you've got the word class because in all
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: these countries it's the same sort of people, working class
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: people sneered at his rednecks who are protesting. Isn't this
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: what Marxists have dreamed of, revolutions of the working class.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Why aren't marx of supporting it.
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: Well, that's right, So the Marxists have become the middle class.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: Kim Beasley Senior had that great line, the labor line
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: used to be the Labor Party, used to be the
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: cream of the working class, and he said in his
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: time it had become the dregs of the middle class.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Well, the dregs of the middle.
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: Class now are all university academics, and they are the
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: labor heartland. That's what labor really cares about. That's where
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: it really lives and breathes. Almost everything the contemporary left
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: does hurts poor people. It, you know, takes rigor away
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: from education. Well, poor people can't afford private tutors for
• 25:53
  Speaker 9: their kids. It over regulates the labor markets, so there
• 25:58
  Speaker 9: are no entry level jobs. Level jobs are the jobs
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: that poor people use to get out of poverty. I'm
• 26:06
  Speaker 9: strongly in favor of immigration, but our immigration has been
• 26:10
  Speaker 9: way too big, like Britain's and completely indiscriminate. The Conservatives
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: are too scared to say there is a big problem
• 26:18
  Speaker 9: with a minority of Muslim immigrants. So Angus Taylor won't
• 26:22
  Speaker 9: even say that, he won't even really take on the
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: fight about net zero. But here is one big lesson
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: out of the populist era. Center right parties that don't
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: fight die, and you know, just center Price made them
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: fight on the voice and they won. The polls were
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: against them when they started. Then they won the public
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: argument and they won a big victory.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: But even now, even with all.
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: The talk about despair and existential crisis and everything, I
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: don't see any fight from the You see it from
• 26:53
  Speaker 9: Matt Canavan, but he's only just begun, but I don't
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: see any real fight. I mean, once they rejected net zero,
• 26:59
  Speaker 9: they've hardly meant ever since.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: A very good point because Matt has been new toed
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: but becoming lead of the Nationals, he's going to play
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: the game. I wonder whether the Nationals should cut their
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: ties to this anchor that's the Liberals. And fortunately there's
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: no reason that the Nationals couldn't have done what one
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: nation is doing instead, that they could have been the
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: party of revolt like that.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: But it's their people.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: We're going to move on quickly, Greg to the war
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: in Iran, you know, has caused such dangerous shortages of
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: fuel and to our inflation rate. Donald Trump sense to
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: suggest he was close to a peace steal, but this
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: morning said it was off for your own's counter office,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: totally unacceptable.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Where is this going.
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: Well, Andrew, I think this is in quite a dangerous
• 27:48
  Speaker 9: phase now. Plainly there are deep divisions in the Iranian government.
• 27:54
  Speaker 9: But those divisions are not helping the Americans. They're not
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: helping the West. They're paralyzing the Iranian and I thought
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: the blockade would hurt the Uranians, and I think it
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: still will, but it might take longer.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: It's clear.
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: I think that Trump does not want to resume bombing
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: on a massive scale because the Iranians still have missiles
• 28:15
  Speaker 9: and drones and could still hurt other Golf Arab countries,
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and others, which would make
• 28:22
  Speaker 9: the oil shortage even worse. So I think we're at
• 28:25
  Speaker 9: a kind of a standoff.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Iran is not.
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: Going to give up its existing nuclear material, but more important,
• 28:31
  Speaker 9: it's not going to give up control of the Strait
• 28:33
  Speaker 9: of Hormuz, and the US is not going to go
• 28:37
  Speaker 9: back to bombing. It looks like although it's unpredictable, but
• 28:40
  Speaker 9: it is going to maintain the blockade.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: So that really suggests to me that.
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: We're going to get a lot more economic damage for
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: a long time. And Trump is certainly keen to get
• 28:50
  Speaker 9: a deal now. But the Iranians, I think they feel
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: that time is on their side. They can put up
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: with pain better than the Americans can. They might just
• 29:01
  Speaker 9: string this out. But the danger of miscalculation from either
• 29:05
  Speaker 9: side is very strong.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: But it's hard to.
• 29:07
  Speaker 9: See where a deal, where a deal actually comes from
• 29:12
  Speaker 9: in the current circumstances.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I think that's absolutely correct. A lot of the Iranian
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: so called moderates, I mean they're moderate extremists opposed to
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the extremist extremists, don't dare suggest a piece deal with
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Trump for fear of well, imprisonment or even worse. But
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: from the hard liners, Greg Sheridan, always great to talk
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: to you, Thank you so much for your time. I
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: have to say too, by the way, that there's another
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: player in this war, and that's Israeli premise of Benjamin
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Ettia who suggested yesterday, well, actually we might actually send
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: troops on the ground to go and snash the uranium
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: that Iran has a richer for nuclear weapons. So I
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: don't think this war is finished one way or the other.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: And Donald Trump may not have the final say break
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: what I'm not allowed to tell you about the crime
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: that shocked the nation, plus the expenses scandal that the
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Albaniza government trade to bury that's just exploded.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: As you know, there was.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: An horrific incident in out of Springs last month, and
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: you may be wondering by so few people speak frankly
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: about it in the media. A five year old girl
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: allegedly taken from a home and killed allegedly by a
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: man whose details I am, for legal reasons unable to
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: give you. And there are other things too about this
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: ghastly tragedy that paint a familiar and disturbing picture. The
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: child's father was in jail, the crime occurred in shandy
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: camp and lots of rubbishness lying around. The girl's home
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: was dirty, with lots of empty booze bottles that you
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: reportedly slept on a mattress on the floor. When police
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: arrested the alleged killer, they were attacked. Some of the
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: crowd then looted shops and this more.
• 30:57
  Speaker 10: There were six child protection reports in six weeks before
• 31:01
  Speaker 10: the alleged murder of the Aboriginal girl now known as
• 31:05
  Speaker 10: Komingaiant Little Baby, but no investigation by authorities had been launched.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Now we have endless ceremonies telling us to respect Aboriginal culture.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Although when I see this particular case and many others
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: like it, I want to say something about that culture.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: But did you.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Realize how many rules there are for TV people that
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: prevent me from doing that or making it so dangerously legally,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: so dangerous legally that well, it's safer for many to
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: say nothing, although I still push on, for instance, the
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: subscription broadcast television codes of practice warm Sky News and
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: other licensees. They cannot broadcast the program, which is likely,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: in all the circumstances, to seriously offend the cultural sensitivity
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: of Aboriginal torrestraight.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Under the people.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: And of course, if I'm going to tell you in
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: a hypothetical opinion that Aboriginal culture, which seems to exist
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: there are many of the most remote communities, is clearly
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: unsafe for too many Aboriginal children. I mean clearly when
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: the rate of hospitalization of aberageal children from family and
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: domestic violence is ten times the rate of other children.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: That of course is going to offend the.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Cultural sensitivity of some Aboriginal people and activist groups. Of
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: course there's a danger, there's an exception you know to
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: this or no. The law says if you're reporting good
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: faith and with perfect accuracy, and if we don't have
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: a left wing judge wanted to slott us, we can
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: discuss culture. Of course, if you want to risk the
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: legal fees, and many companies don't. Now let me show
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: you how that still works, this stifled debate. You might
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: recall Channel seven Sunrise program eight years ago had a
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: couple of commentators outraged by another child protection crisis. I mean,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Aboriginal children seven times more likely to be in protection
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: than other kids. One of the commentators said, we need
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: another stolen generation is save children? And how there was
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: a scandal She said the foster parents who were white
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: weren't allowed to look after children who were Aboriginal, not
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: when there was a shortage of Aboriginal careers.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, you know there.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Were protests by offended Aboriginal activists and many more white
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: ones of course, and sure enough to the Australian Communications Media Authority,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: which are the policemen overseeing US said, breach of license,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: not truthful reporting, very offensive.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't true.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: That white foster parents couldn't look after Aboriginal children.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Ha, gotcha.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: And sure you know the law does say that Aboriginal
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: child needing protection should, as far as practical, will be
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: placed with a person in the following order of priorities
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: as first of all them member of the child's family,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: and be an Aboriginal person in the child's community in
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: accordance with local community practice. And see any other Aboriginal person,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: any other Aboriginal person. Oh but if none of them
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: could be found, well, yes, of course the child could
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: then be placed with white families, providing that whites could
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: keep them in contact with aberginal culture, et cetera, et cetera,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. In effect, it was very very
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: difficult for white foster parents of raised Aboriginal children, but
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: not impossible, And so that was one of the reasons
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Channel seven went down at screaming heat. You see the
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: mindfield you have to stomp through, that's for the so
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: called stolen generation. The Australian Communications Media Authority have an
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: official loan on that as well, that this alleged policy
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: continues to cause immense pain and division in the community,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: which makes it dangerous for me to say again hypothetically,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, that there's plenty of evidence that many
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: children under that policy were in fact saved from harm
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: or neglect, and maybe authorities should have intervened to try
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: to save com and Jay little baby as well. Hypothetically,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: of course, because we wouldn't want the thought police to
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: take away our license. So it's best to say nothing,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: isn't it, which is what many do while children die.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Joining me, Alisa Goddard, former foreign correspondent, founder of ad
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Only Media and Scarne You Didika di Giorgio answer, Lisa,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: You know, let us be very careful, for God forbid
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: that the broadcast police would shut us down for trying
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: to tell the truth. But anyway, Chris Mitchell, the columnists
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: with The Australian Today, wrote about how reluctant many in
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: the media are to call out what's going on.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: With this case and ones like it. Are you surprised
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: given all the leal hurdles that honesty in this field
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: is so rare?
• 35:51
  Speaker 11: Look Andrew, and thank you very much for the invitation
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: to try and skip through this minefield. Look, I think
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: the problem here for journalists is that we know what
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: the rules are, but we also have an obligation to
• 36:02
  Speaker 11: be open and honest about what is happening in this country.
• 36:05
  Speaker 11: And as a reporter twenty odd years ago, I remember
• 36:09
  Speaker 11: going to town camps and of course you have to
• 36:11
  Speaker 11: go through a whole process to even be allowed into
• 36:13
  Speaker 11: those town camps to.
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: See what is happening. We don't get shown those pictures.
• 36:18
  Speaker 11: We don't get shown the reality that what looks like
• 36:20
  Speaker 11: we've got fellow Australians.
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: And let's face it, that's what Indigenous people are.
• 36:24
  Speaker 11: They are Australians that are living in pretty much third
• 36:28
  Speaker 11: world poverty in these town camps, and we turn a
• 36:31
  Speaker 11: blind eye.
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: The only time it turns up in the media, and
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: when the.
• 36:34
  Speaker 11: Media are brave enough to show these pictures and talk
• 36:36
  Speaker 11: about it is when unfortunately somebody dies, and generally that's
• 36:39
  Speaker 11: either a woman or a young child, and these stories
• 36:42
  Speaker 11: are heartbreaking, and looking at those images of that town
• 36:45
  Speaker 11: camp house, you can't look at that and think that
• 36:48
  Speaker 11: you would want to see any child or any person
• 36:50
  Speaker 11: living in that condition. So that then takes you down
• 36:53
  Speaker 11: the argument of where is all of the government funding
• 36:55
  Speaker 11: going because it's.
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: Clearly not going there.
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: But as someone who has smelt the smells in the camps,
• 37:01
  Speaker 11: who has walked through those town camps, been there at
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: two o'clock in the morning and seen toddlers in nappies
• 37:05
  Speaker 11: that should have been changed hours earlier, out roaming around in.
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: The dirt, it is just it is disgusting. And it's
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: not just the Northern territory. Look at Mount iSER.
• 37:15
  Speaker 11: You only have to go a few streets away from
• 37:17
  Speaker 11: the main street and the Leichhardt riverbed. You've got a
• 37:19
  Speaker 11: town camp pretty much set up in that riverbed. Everybody
• 37:22
  Speaker 11: in the town knows it. It's a huge resource town,
• 37:25
  Speaker 11: but you've got people living in poverty.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this goes the thing.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Danika just picking up on something there, you know, full nappies,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: the dirty house that have showed, the empty drink bottles.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: It is true that the media is very comfortable now
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: with the debate. Where is all the some of the media,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Where is all the money devoted to camps like this
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: by tax payers?
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Where has it all gone?
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Vast majority, it seems from one report has gone to salaries,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: not to obviously doing that much. The point is we
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: should also be talking about why peopleeople aren't doing for
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: themselves what they demanding governments do for them. Doesn't take
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: anyone but themselves to say fix up a house, clean
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: a house, will stop drinking, for instance.
• 38:11
  Speaker 12: No, that's a really really good point.
• 38:13
  Speaker 13: And don't forget millions upon millions has been spent over
• 38:16
  Speaker 13: the years, allocated in budgets after budgets after budgets, and
• 38:21
  Speaker 13: where on earth is this money going?
• 38:23
  Speaker 12: Where is it?
• 38:24
  Speaker 13: And you've got just Center Nampa Gymer Price who has
• 38:26
  Speaker 13: called for an audit multiple times andrew on every occasion
• 38:30
  Speaker 13: she has been shut down.
• 38:32
  Speaker 12: She's been shut down when it comes to the Royal Commission.
• 38:34
  Speaker 13: And if people are not listening to people like Senator
• 38:38
  Speaker 13: just Center Nampagmper Price, then what hope does anybody have
• 38:41
  Speaker 13: of trying to expose and explain what is going on
• 38:45
  Speaker 13: out there in these town camps. As for your question
• 38:48
  Speaker 13: about the media, I mean, what does it say when
• 38:50
  Speaker 13: the media would rather be sheeps, they'd rather keep the peace,
• 38:53
  Speaker 13: they'd rather say noah, we better not go there, you know,
• 38:56
  Speaker 13: otherwise we might be a bit insensitive.
• 38:58
  Speaker 12: It could be racism.
• 39:00
  Speaker 13: When you've got actual journalists who are out there on
• 39:02
  Speaker 13: the front line, people like Matt Cunningham, for example. You've
• 39:05
  Speaker 13: got Liam Mendez trying to expose what's going on. I mean,
• 39:08
  Speaker 13: I saw when Leam Mendez first published those photos in.
• 39:11
  Speaker 12: The Australian of that town camp.
• 39:14
  Speaker 13: I was reading some of the comments on Instagram and
• 39:16
  Speaker 13: social media pages and people were saying, take that down.
• 39:19
  Speaker 12: That is racist.
• 39:21
  Speaker 13: How dare you lump all Aboriginals into the one group.
• 39:25
  Speaker 13: Take it down, Take it down. Why is everybody so blind?
• 39:29
  Speaker 13: Why do they want to turn a blind die when
• 39:31
  Speaker 13: it's those sorts of images and all it takes is
• 39:34
  Speaker 13: some courage and some will power and perhaps it'll be
• 39:38
  Speaker 13: one less child gone.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Look I've been saying this sort of thing for years
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: about the stolen generations and what fear of the soulen
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: generations has done to average little kids, left so many
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: in danger.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: It's just the disgrace.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: And I think the austraim Press Council has been investigating
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: me in now three times toalking about the stolen generations.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: It's just obscene. What's going on?
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Just quickly should Sports Minister Anika Wellsby sat the Liberals
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: are today demanding just that because she was told to
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: pay ten thousand dollars back to taxpayer for having charge
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: them for dodgy travel claims, especially involving flying a husband around.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: But then there's actually more.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: The Independent Parliamentary Spenses Authority it actually approved in a
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: review of all this another dodgy Wells expense, which she
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: flew to Adelaide on the taxpayer's dime for a birthday
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: party for a friend, but claims she was actually doing
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: work there because she was talking to a friend's husband,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: South Australian Labor Minister Chris Picton, But she said, oh,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: oh sorry, their meeting did not take place as schedule
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: in the afternoon because of a prior meeting.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: We instead held a sideline meeting during function later that evening.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: That sideline meeting happened apparently during the friends party a
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: business chatter of friend's birthday.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: But now the Frinds husband says as repeatedly refused to
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: say that sad I meeting even at the party. You
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: could now, honestly, this is red hot, isn't it.
• 41:12
  Speaker 11: Please Well, it's what you can squeeze in between the
• 41:17
  Speaker 11: birthday cake and the singing, I guess, and it's all
• 41:19
  Speaker 11: taxpayer funded for her.
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: When it comes to this. But the point, the point
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: you have now, right, So if he's.
• 41:27
  Speaker 11: Not backing in the fact that this meeting occurred on
• 41:29
  Speaker 11: the sidelines of this birthday party, then that then makes
• 41:32
  Speaker 11: her you could accuse her of lying. And if she's
• 41:34
  Speaker 11: found to be lying, see what you've got a taxpayer
• 41:37
  Speaker 11: funded liar, a taxpayer funded flyer.
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: It's time that she goes in Albany's.
• 41:41
  Speaker 11: He came into the government saying it's all about transparency,
• 41:44
  Speaker 11: it's all about accountability. Well John Howard came in saying
• 41:47
  Speaker 11: I will clean up this government and what he lost
• 41:49
  Speaker 11: seven ministers and parliamentary secretaries in one year. So come on, Albany's,
• 41:53
  Speaker 11: if you're serious about it, when the accountability and transparency.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Amount of time to nik if it just quickly, I mean,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: does this mean that you can go to any party
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: around the country as long as you spend two minutes
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: over the Canapeese talking business for someone charges of the taxpayer?
• 42:09
  Speaker 13: Well, exactly, a quick thirty second chat on the sidelines
• 42:11
  Speaker 13: to discuss a bit of business and you're in and
• 42:13
  Speaker 13: you're in business. Andrew, just really quickly, I mean, we've
• 42:15
  Speaker 13: got the treasure about to release's budget and he's saying, Oh,
• 42:18
  Speaker 13: we've got to make hard decisions, and yet you've got
• 42:21
  Speaker 13: one of the ministers trapesing about like this.
• 42:23
  Speaker 12: Go figure.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I know Lisa got Denika to Georgia. Thank you very
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: much to you both.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: After the break the strained Labor politician in Britain who's
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: challenging her hopeless leader to take over as prime minister herself.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Back to their British election.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: How the ruling Labor Party last week lost more than
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: eleven hundred seats in elections across the country to councils
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: and to the Scottish and Welsh parliaments. Lost most to
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: the anti immigration Reform Party but also to the Green
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: hard Is. Winning candidates included two transgender people electors of
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Scotland's Parliament. One is not even a British citizen as
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Sri Lankan, and the other is someone who, when the
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Queen was dying, said all she couldn't wait for the
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Queen to kick the bucket and called her Lizard Lizzie.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: The joke she now says.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Other Green candidates who are arrested during the campaign for
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: posting anti Semitic abuse allegedly join me from London is
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Talk TV hosts Samara Gil Samara great to catch up with.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: You interpret those election results for me.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Voters deserting the major parties for the extreme left and
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: the anti immigration right.
• 43:36
  Speaker 14: It's a really really interesting development, actually, because first of all,
• 43:41
  Speaker 14: it seems like Starmer is now holding the country hostage
• 43:45
  Speaker 14: by even still being PM as we speak right now,
• 43:48
  Speaker 14: is just listening to his drivel during a speech that
• 43:51
  Speaker 14: he's just made to the nation, saying that he's going
• 43:54
  Speaker 14: to solve everything. But you're right, I mean, thousands of
• 43:57
  Speaker 14: people in the labors of constituencies losing their jobs because
• 44:03
  Speaker 14: of Keir Starmer's incompetency cannot go unmissed. And you're right,
• 44:08
  Speaker 14: the development is very interesting. Everyone's been telling labor to
• 44:12
  Speaker 14: shift further to the left the last couple of months
• 44:15
  Speaker 14: because Starmer's seen as a real centrist, and by centrist,
• 44:18
  Speaker 14: I mean he doesn't even know where he stands on
• 44:20
  Speaker 14: any issue at all. He can't make up his mind,
• 44:23
  Speaker 14: typical human rights lawyer behavior. But what the country is doing,
• 44:27
  Speaker 14: and what Reform is doing, is saying, no, we've actually
• 44:31
  Speaker 14: had a massive conservative wave. And you're right, in these
• 44:35
  Speaker 14: sort of northern working class forgotten areas, Reform UK has
• 44:40
  Speaker 14: been able to pick up that working class vote that
• 44:43
  Speaker 14: Labour took for granted for so long, and we're just
• 44:47
  Speaker 14: seeing a real shift of conservatism, a turquoise sort of
• 44:50
  Speaker 14: wave that has overtaken the United Kingdom. And it's a
• 44:55
  Speaker 14: really interesting development because yes, while the Greens took a
• 44:59
  Speaker 14: lot of lefty seats in the inner city suburbs and towns,
• 45:04
  Speaker 14: it was a real shift and I think Nigel Farage
• 45:08
  Speaker 14: is probably going to be the next Prime Minister. I
• 45:10
  Speaker 14: mean that's what all of the Poles are now saying.
• 45:13
  Speaker 14: And I think that it's a triumphant win for Reform,
• 45:17
  Speaker 14: but an absolute final nail in the coffin for the
• 45:20
  Speaker 14: Labor Party.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: And the tragedy differently for the Labor Party is the
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: two people most likely to take over from Keir Starmer
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: if they challenge are both from their left when the
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: party clearly needs to move to the right to hit
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: off one nation, which is this is a joke, you know,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: but anyway, but they haven't declared.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: This is the Manchester mayor and burn and.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: This amazing woman it's just who talks from the north,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: who talks with a thick Northern accent and dresses like
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: the lady, but to get them to flush them out
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: of an Australian woman is now British Labor and p
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Catherine West not just saying that Keirths Starmer should quit,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: but she'll stand against him.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Unless some of his likely rivals don't.
• 46:15
  Speaker 14: Right now, his she is that level of inertia in
• 46:19
  Speaker 14: the face of the election defeat that we saw on
• 46:22
  Speaker 14: Thursday is a disgrace.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: So what odds that an Australia now becomes Britain's next
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Prime minister because Angela Rainer refuses to budge to challenge
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: and Andy well, he's not even in Parliament so it's
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: going to be hard for him too. What odds an
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Australian becomes Britain's next Prime minister?
• 46:44
  Speaker 14: I mean the odds are there. She has sort of
• 46:47
  Speaker 14: challenged him. It's quite hilarious because she's a backbencher who
• 46:52
  Speaker 14: no one knows anything about.
• 46:53
  Speaker 12: Genuinely, no one.
• 46:54
  Speaker 14: Had heard her name before this weekend. But there is
• 46:58
  Speaker 14: a real divide between the benchers who are all pretty
• 47:01
  Speaker 14: far left over here and then this sort of cabal
• 47:04
  Speaker 14: of centrist MPs that are actually running the show in
• 47:07
  Speaker 14: this country. So it shows that yes, she probably could
• 47:11
  Speaker 14: get strength by numbers.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: She said that many.
• 47:14
  Speaker 14: People verbally have said that they would support her. Well,
• 47:17
  Speaker 14: I've got something to say to you, Catherine. In politics,
• 47:19
  Speaker 14: a lot of people say one thing and then do
• 47:21
  Speaker 14: the other.
• 47:22
  Speaker 12: I'm not sure if that.
• 47:24
  Speaker 14: You know, she's got this sort of freshness about her,
• 47:27
  Speaker 14: and she's kind of unjaded and does believe that she
• 47:29
  Speaker 14: can maybe take the country. And she's just like any
• 47:32
  Speaker 14: other Australian labor MP. She didn't even check the rules
• 47:36
  Speaker 14: before she even wanted to counter him. What interesting is, though,
• 47:41
  Speaker 14: she's got a weird history in UK politics where she
• 47:44
  Speaker 14: was actually the one to accidentally help bring down Boris
• 47:48
  Speaker 14: Johnson because she asked him during the party gate scandal,
• 47:52
  Speaker 14: which eventually led to his removal. She asked him the
• 47:55
  Speaker 14: question in Parliament, which then prompted the investigation. So strangely,
• 47:59
  Speaker 14: she's sort of this Australian mover and shaker and I'm
• 48:03
  Speaker 14: pretty impressed by it.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: I got to say, oh, well, there we go.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not that the labor left of demonstrated
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: that could run a country and even Australia, but they're
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: going to have a whack at Britain. That's got to
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: be easier. Samara Gil thank you so much in Defure.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. And I got to thank the
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: people who were filled in for me in my two
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: weeks break. That was terrific, Steve Price and James McPherson.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate that I was actually on a holiday
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: in country towns and to all the people I met
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: and gave me such a warm welcome, surprised walking to
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: a pub and it was great. Thank you so much,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: very much appreciated. I saw Australia, the real Australia, the
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: better Australia, the finer Australia, and really loved it. I'll
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: talk about that later in the week, perhaps up next.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Sherry markson good Night