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131: From ER to Energy Healing: Dr. Tina Hills on Trauma, Fascia & Quantum Medicine · The Reverse Aging Club with Meredith Oke

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Meredith Oke: Tina. Tina Hills, welcome to the QVC podcast.
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Dr. Tina Hills: So happy to be here with you today. I've been
5:08
waiting for this.
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Meredith Oke: Oh, I'm so excited. It's going to be really fun.
5:13
You know, when you went through the program over
5:16
at iaqb, you brought so much energy and
5:20
experience and amazing stuff to the table. So I'm
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glad. I'm excited to dig into it.
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Dr. Tina Hills: Well, you filled a very large gap. You brought
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everything together with the information that you
5:30
provide when you start looking at the full
5:33
spectrum of health. And so, man, I was glad to
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find you.
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Meredith Oke: Oh, I'm so glad because. And that was. That's
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exactly it. Right? It's just like, it's just that
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program is just meant to be like a bridge for
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people like you who have so many pieces. And then
5:50
it's like, okay, there's just this, like, there's
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some fundamentals that some brilliant people have
5:57
figured out that, I mean, I don't teach it above
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my pay grade, but I want all of you to learn it.
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And yeah, people come in and if that's their gap
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that they're missing, it's like, oh, and they're
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supercharged with like all the stuff that they've
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been studying for years.
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Dr. Tina Hills: Yes, yes.
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Meredith Oke: Amazing. So, okay, so you are an md, ER doc.
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Dr. Tina Hills: I'm a do do.
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Meredith Oke: Okay.
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Dr. Tina Hills: Plus. But yeah, I'm a do.
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Meredith Oke: Explain. Explain how that all works.
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Dr. Tina Hills: Your traditional background, osteopathy, broke
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off of the allopathic back in the 1800s because
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the gentleman who started it said, you guys are
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killing my family with your poisons. I got to
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figure out how to heal the body. And so when you
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go through osteopathic school, you go through the
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standard medical training, but it's a more of a.
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You're open to a little more holistic and hands
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on. So you learn about 40 different techniques in
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how to work with the body manually. You still
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learn all the pharmacology, all the
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pathophysiology exactly the same. And then you,
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when you get out of residency, you can either
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attend an allopathic residency or an osteopathic
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residency. So you just have more options, more
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training.
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Meredith Oke: Oh, that is so cool. Because. So I just assumed
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because you worked in an ER that you had an md. I
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did not know that you could be a do and be
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working in er. That is cool.
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Dr. Tina Hills: We have full rights in the US and most of the
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world. We do. There's a couple places where you
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don't, but yeah, it's full rights.
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Meredith Oke: Amazing. Okay, so how so. So you chose to do the
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osteopathic residency route. And then. And then
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what happened? And how did you even end up there?
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And why were you even like, yes, osteopathy?
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Dr. Tina Hills: Because I didn't go to medical school until I was
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32. I was, you know, I was in exercise
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physiology. I was a semi professional athlete in
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powerlifting. And as my career started to come to
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an end in the powerlifting, I had to say, man.
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And then I got a master's degree in computer
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sciences while I was doing that. So I was working
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in the real world.
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Meredith Oke: We've got a polymath on our hands, people. Okay?
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Dr. Tina Hills: My brother said, you're not too old to go back.
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So I went back to school. And then because of my
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age, I'm like, I got to get a job where I go to
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work and go home. I don't want to be in a clinic.
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I don't want to be tied to a pager. So I said,
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oh, let me do er. And so ER is super amazing
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because our specialty is trauma and
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resuscitation. That's our true specialty. But by
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training, we have to be a jack of all trades,
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because you have to be able to take care of
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anything that walks in the er, and you have to
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know enough to speak to your consultants and the
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admitting physicians. And so you have to have
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this real wide breadth of information. When I.
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When I started all this, I was, you know, you're
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really gung ho. You're all into the drama and
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trauma, and as you get to this side of it, you're
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like, I'm done with that part. How do we actually
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help ourselves now? And so that's what drove me.
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And I had a. In 2019, I just hit the point where
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I had the perfect job, I had the perfect house, I
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had the perfect partner. And everything came
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crashing down because our nice little hospital
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was bought out by a conglomerate. And I had. I
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came home from work every day questioning, why am
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I having to use childhood survival skills to go
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through work? And that put me on this big, long
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path now it's been five years now of who am I and
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why am I here? And those are the two fundamental
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questions that you have to get to if you start a
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healing journey. Because you are not your job.
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You are not the person that. You're your parent.
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You are a parent, but that's not who you are.
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It's just a. A role you play. And it really put
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me down onto this. Like, how? Why am I doing
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this? I have to back up one second, though,
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because the Very first lesson I learned was from
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my spouse when I learned it was okay to be happy.
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Oh, anything started, it's such a big one, happy
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for no reason. And I learned that lesson just
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before these other very harsh ones came along
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because I had to know the contrast. If I had not
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learned that it's okay, I would have stayed in
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the oh, wo is me. I'm just fighting the fight.
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But it made me know that no, things are
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different. We can treat people differently, we
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can feel differently about ourselves. And it was
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about that time that ayahuasca first came around
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my on my email and came in calling, knocking on
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my door. And it took me about two years to go do
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that. In the meantime, I was dealing with my own
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traumas and how, learning how to get it out of my
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body, how to start healing my body with what I
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ate and things like that. And so it just kind of
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moved down this nice spectrum of I'm either going
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to manage my decline, because when I started
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this, I was almost 50 pounds overweight, blood
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pressure pushing, blood pressure pushing,
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diabetes, incredibly unhealthy. So I said, I'm
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either going to manage my decline or I have got
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to change what I'm looking at and say, how do I
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create health? Because it's two completely
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different ends of the spectrum, completely
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different thought pattern. When we came onto the
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to the quantum biology, I had been looking at it
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for a little bit before I found you guys, and it
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just started making logical sense. When you look
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at the pharmacology and things like, it makes
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sense to make you feel better in short term, but
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when you're sitting in the ER after 20 years
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almost, we figured out probably about a hundred
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thousand patients, probably two to three times
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that in family members. 10,000 deaths that I've
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had the honor of being with, and I've had my own
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near death. And so when you start to move from
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this perspective of I know all these things are
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going on, and then you find something in the
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plant medicine world that shows you the rest of
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the energy and the importance of the energy. Then
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you want to come back and put it all together and
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say, here, this is how you can do this in
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something called integration. Integration is
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where you simply take all your lessons and start
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applying it to your life. So what the. When I
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went, we started our program, we said, we sat
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down because my spouse is an ER nurse. We sat
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down and we said, okay, how do we combine these
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two things? These have to merge because the
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knowledge is here. They're just not taking it far
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enough. To heal anyone. And so we started out
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with, well, when somebody comes in with a code,
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how do we get them to be alive if they're dead?
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When they get to us, how do we make them come
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alive? You know, because everything's on a
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spectrum. They're not dead dead yet. They're just
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dead. We can still get them back if that makes
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dead.
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Meredith Oke: Ish. Not fully dead. Okay.
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Dr. Tina Hills: And so what we did. Excuse me, what we did is we
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said, okay, the very first thing that we have to
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do when someone comes into the error is create
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coherence. Very first thing. Because when someone
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goes into a cardiac arrest, their heart is not
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beating in a proper rhythm. We have to get that
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rhythm back. Nothing can happen in the body
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without a heartbeat. You can have a heartbeat
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with no breath, but you cannot have it the other
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way around. And so we said, okay, how do we
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create coherence? And so we went through all
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these, this deep dive into what creates coherence
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in the body and put it in our program. And then
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we looked at, you know, the quantum biology,
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circadian rhythm. And so we just got, we were
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just able to meld them together to, and help
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people shift their perspective from that decline
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to the incline. Both of them are hard, they're
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both work. But the, the work of becoming healthy
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is so much more fun and so much more benefit to
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the outcome of your life that you forget about
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this other stuff and you won't, you just won't.
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You won't do it anymore. And as simple as that,
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I, I.
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Meredith Oke: Really like this framing of it, managing the
14:27
decline versus investing in your health, because
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I think it does a lot of things. One of the
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things is like, we're so often told like, oh, oh,
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you're having that happen. Yeah, you're in your
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30s. Oh, you're having that happen. Yeah, you're
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in your 40s. Oh, you're having that happen. Yeah,
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you're getting old. Oh, you're. And it's like,
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yeah, like all of these symptoms we're told are
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just quote, unquote, normal. And it's like, just
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because. What's the phrase? Just because it's
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common doesn't mean it's normal.
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Dr. Tina Hills: Yes.
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Meredith Oke: And so that would be the managing of the decline.
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Right. It's like nothing we can do. This stuff's
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just all going to happen. Want, want, want. But.
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And then sometimes the bridge out of that into
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the other one you're talking about, where we were
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creating our health is through trying to manage
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symptoms. But you're right, it's a huge Mind
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shift. It's not just like, oh, I'm going to get
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to the root cause to fix this symptom. Then it's
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like once you're down at the root, you got to
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move over to that other side. And then you stop
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doing things like expecting every practitioner
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you meet to be the last one you'll ever need in
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your life. And start to realize that this is like
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an ongoing non linear lifetime journey.
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Dr. Tina Hills: Just like we do not age linearly. We cut, we're
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coming around, we start our slow decline around
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44 is what they say, you have a clunk, I drop and
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you have another rose around 60. But if you look
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at that, that's right at the time when most
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people really start having symptoms, in that
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early 40s to mid-40s, you start having symptoms,
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you start to realize, oh my gosh, I can't do what
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I used to do. But let me tell you now, that heart
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attack, that stroke, all of those things that
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you're having in your 50s and 60s started when
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you were 20. They did not start when you were 50.
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It was, it's not a shock. It's not a shock to
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anyone except for who it happened to because it's
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been going on. We could have told you back at 20
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you were going to have this heart attack, but you
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wouldn't listen, you know, and so it's just
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funny, it's how you start to bring things
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together with that. But, you know, and we figured
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out that nobody is going to heal you. You are
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fully responsible for your state of being. And
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it's not just your physical state of being, it's
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your emotional, it's your spiritual, which I
16:37
don't mean religious in that, I mean like your,
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your connection with yourself and the divine and
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your energetic. You have to take care of those
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things. Not just your mental and your physical,
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but we also need to learn that our mind is simply
16:49
a computer processor and that our body is driving
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the show. Because your body holds trauma, your
16:55
fascia. We are a fascia being. We are made of
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fascia. That's all we are. With a bunch of, with
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some organs, it suspends some organs. It's water
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fashion that makes water, makes fascia mixed up
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with a little sand, you know, that's all we are.
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And so you have to consider, I'm an energetic
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being. How do I feed my energetic being? How do I
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clear that? And that's where that plant medicine
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has really brought in the tools and how to clear.
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Because when you go, when you start to heal
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yourself, we really want to focus on if you
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really back up. Global view, hydration,
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remineralization, detoxification on those five
17:32
levels. And then you. We give stem cells to give
17:36
somebody a really big boost and turn around in
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that health. It really pops you over that little
17:39
hole, that heel that you get to. But integration
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and support, you're the one that has to do it
17:45
all. It is a solo journey. You cannot take it by
17:49
yourself. You can't. You need help, you need
17:53
support. You need guidance for someone who's been
17:55
there. You need somebody on your side that's
17:57
saying, man, are you sure you want to eat that
17:59
hamburger today? Because that may not be the best
18:01
for you. People that call you out on your junk,
18:04
you got triggered. The trigger tells you where
18:08
you need to heal. It's not the fact that you got
18:09
triggered. That's no problem. Turn it around on
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yourself and say, okay, why was I triggered? How
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did that make me feel? Where was it in my body?
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When's the first time I felt that? Take it all
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the way back and then put your hands on your body
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and say, man, I'm sorry you had to go through
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that. I'm sorry you had to go through that. And
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be kind to yourself. This. You know, I really.
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Biohacking is a big thing right now. I don't
18:33
particularly care for the term because I think
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we're really moving out of the state of fear and
18:37
pushing and driving and into this state of love
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and kindness and support. So we try to push
18:44
people back over to this, just like we do for
18:45
that health. Because when you're in that bubble
18:48
of health, that's what you feel and that's what
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you have.
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Meredith Oke: So you've mentioned plant medicine and
18:56
specifically ayahuasca. So tell me a little bit
18:59
more. Like, what was your impression of it before
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you did your deep dive? How did you change your
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mind about it when? What happened when you tried
19:09
it? Because it sounds like some things.
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Dr. Tina Hills: It is. It is an experience. So, like I said, we
19:16
had. It was introduced to me. It just came across
19:18
on Instagram or email. I can't even remember what
19:20
it came, but I just saw it. And I was like, oh,
19:21
that's really interesting. I wonder what that is.
19:24
And I looked it up and I said, okay, well, that
19:26
sounds interesting. Put it away. Didn't think
19:28
about it again. Two years later, it was over and
19:31
over. And so we say that it's calling you. It was
19:33
calling me to come visit. We went down to Costa
19:36
Rica to a resort there and participated in the
19:40
ceremonies with Taido Juanito he's out of
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Colombia. He's one of the main. He's like a
19:45
seventh or eighth generation shaman out of
19:47
Colombia. And when you go into ceremony, it's
19:50
actually really, really kind of like being in the
19:52
er. It's dark rather than light, but it's dark,
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it's loud. There's people crying and screaming
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and laughing and running around and dancing.
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Meredith Oke: This all makes sense to me.
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Dr. Tina Hills: Smoke and light, it was just fun stuff. But when
20:07
you go in, you have to do ayahuasca, especially
20:11
with people who know what they're doing, because
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this is a traditional medicine that's about 5,000
20:16
to 10,000 years old. And these people have been
20:18
working with this medicine since they were
20:20
children. And so they really know the intricacies
20:23
and how to deal with the medicine. But you go in
20:26
and you have, you go in, you have a cup of
20:29
medicine. It's in a little shot, you know, a
20:32
little shot glass, just one cup at a time. And
20:35
then you go and lay down on your mat. And it's
20:37
just a, like a twin mattress that you have set
20:39
up. There's. There was about 80 people in our
20:41
group. After you drink the medicine, you go lay
20:43
down in it and you sit there for about an hour,
20:45
quiet. It's called the noble silence. Everyone's
20:48
quiet. And then the action starts, the music
20:51
starts, the vomiting, the singing and dancing.
20:54
You're getting blessings from people. But when
20:57
you do plant medicine, what it does is it's. It's
20:59
kind of like ketamine in the error. It
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dissociates you from your ego and turns off your
21:03
thinking mind. It takes off all your filters so
21:06
you can see a different reality. It's almost,
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it's the closest thing that to a near death that
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I've had because you, all of your filters are
21:12
gone and you can see what's actually happening
21:15
around you. And it shows you what's in your body.
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To get the trauma out of your body. Your sig3
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gene determines where you store trauma. Ayahuasca
21:27
is, it goes in, it actually maps out your DNA.
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There's been studies, there's been tons of
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studies. This, especially in Europe, it goes in,
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it maps out your DNA, finds that trauma, and it's
21:37
sitting in your water, your fascia, and it kind
21:39
of brings it into your bowels or into your tears
21:42
or wherever it needs to go so that you can purge
21:44
it out. And so it's literally you're purging
21:46
energetic waste out of your body. It's just that
21:49
stagnant water, you know, It's. It's stagnant. So
21:52
it grows things in there. You hold things in
21:53
there. It's bound up with the fascia, you know,
21:57
so you have. If you can imagine, you have all
21:58
your easy water, you have your fascia bound up
22:01
around from an injury. So I. I spray. Just say
22:04
somebody spraying their ankle, it twists the
22:05
fascia up because that's your shock absorber.
22:08
That fascia holds £2,000 per square inch. And so
22:11
as that binds, it kind of gets stuck, then it
22:14
gets adhered, then it gets dehydrated and
22:15
crackly. So as you go into that fashion, you
22:18
start to release it. You release that energetic
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trauma. The water let the flow come in, Blood
22:24
vessels start to flow, nerves start to FL. Flow.
22:27
Because we. The majority of our nerves are in our
22:28
fascia. It's not in our brain. You know, it's
22:30
like 100 times more in our fascia. And so when
22:34
you work with ayahuasca, then you start to deal
22:37
with those energies on a different level. Because
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now I'm familiar with my body. If I go on a
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journey, I know where I'm going, I know how to
22:45
get there, and I'm comfortable getting there
22:47
because I'm. I'm not distracted by all the
22:49
visuals. I take the visuals in, I say, okay, how
22:51
do I learn from this? And. And then you just
22:53
start to apply those through integration, because
22:55
you learn. And it may not be that night, it may
22:59
be a year later, where you go, oh, my gosh. I had
23:01
that ceremony that told me this was going to
23:02
happen. And so then you go through, and it just
23:05
stays with you. And the medicine's always with
23:07
you once you have it. But we do the same thing
23:10
with ketamine. We've used it in the ER to do
23:12
things like this. I had a guy who came in for
23:13
shoulder dislocation. Ketamine. You give it in,
23:16
the IV shuts off the ego, separates you from your
23:19
mind. You're still awake. I can talk to you, you
23:21
can hold a conversation, but you have no clue
23:23
what's going on. Had a guy came in for shoulder
23:25
dislocation, gave him some ketamine while he was
23:29
there. He said, I'm suicidal. I'm incredibly sad.
23:33
So I said, all right, man, let's help you out.
23:35
While I was reducing his shoulder, and Troy
23:37
happened to meet my spouse, happened to be
23:38
working with me. We said, all right, let's get
23:40
this guy turned around. So we started telling him
23:43
all these things about, you are loved, you are
23:45
worthy, and just going down this list of you love
23:48
your body. You love yourself. You're worthy of
23:50
that love. When he. And then I kept him overnight
23:53
to monitor him when he woke up the next day. And
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as we're starting to talk to him, he's like, man,
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I feel fantastic. I feel great. I've never felt
24:00
this good in my life. You know, it just because
24:02
he had the opportunity to somebody tell him, man,
24:04
you're okay. And I want to tell everybody that
24:07
you are okay. You're perfect just the way you
24:09
are. You're just in your process.
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Meredith Oke: Yeah, we all are. And so do you think that. That
24:17
those messages of love sort of penetrated his
24:23
consciousness differently because you'd given him
24:25
the ketamine for his shoulder and his ego was out
24:27
of the way? Is that what you're saying?
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Dr. Tina Hills: Absolutely. Because then doesn't have any defense
24:32
against that. He doesn't have that thought
24:34
because that's the ego telling you that, right?
24:36
And so it does. He doesn't have that thought of,
24:38
man, I want to kill myself now. He has that
24:40
thought of, wait a minute. I don't want that
24:42
anymore. Now, hey, I want to go have a good day
24:45
today. I don't want to do that anymore. And it's
24:48
where you get that you can. You short circuit the
24:50
neurals, and it's that neuroplasticity, right?
24:53
And so you can short circuit those. Those little
24:56
loops. And that's what the medicine does. It
24:58
helps you short circuit the loops. So instead of
25:00
staying on that little roller coaster of up and
25:02
down, I'm suicidal, it says, nope, I'm done with
25:04
that now. Now I get to make this new loop. And
25:07
you only have to stop for something once to start
25:09
neuroplasticity. And so it makes it a very easy
25:11
process once you know how to do it, you know. So
25:15
even one of the best examples of that are your
25:17
spinal reflexes. And spinal reflex. You touch the
25:20
stove, you pull your hand away so you don't get
25:23
burned. That message never makes it to your
25:25
brain. It goes from your hand to your spinal cord
25:27
and back out for you to respond. You have reef
25:31
emotional reflexes that are just the same. So,
25:34
you know, somebody triggers you. You lash out and
25:36
say something, and then in your mind, you're
25:37
going, holy crap. Why'd they say that? I didn't
25:39
want to say that to them. I didn't mean to say
25:40
that you feel badly. But it's a loop that comes
25:44
from your spinal reflex to protect you. And so
25:47
when you. What we want you to do is kind of take
25:49
a step back, push Things off of you. This is what
25:52
we do in the er. Like, if I got caught up in the
25:55
drama of everything, I could not keep track of
25:57
anyone. Because if I'm saying, oh, their blood
26:00
pressure is low, everybody agrees their blood
26:01
pressure is low, but we're stuck in that. We
26:03
can't get anything accomplished. And so for me,
26:06
and what I teach my. My clients to do is take
26:09
that issue, push it off, set it over here where
26:12
you can look at it with some. Some distance, and
26:16
then you say, okay, what are my solutions? And
26:19
you focus on the solution, because then you have
26:21
action, then things are changing. You're not just
26:23
stuck in this endless loop of, oh, my gosh, this
26:25
is happening, and ruminating. You have to stop
26:28
ruminating and move through it, Emote emotion,
26:31
move it through your body. It's a lot, isn't it?
26:37
Meredith Oke: Yeah. So you've. You've talked a lot about trauma
26:42
being stored in the fascia. Could you explain
26:45
sort of your understanding of how that works, how
26:49
the structured water in our body holds trauma and
26:51
how we can unfold it?
26:54
Dr. Tina Hills: You think about the body. The body's like a
26:56
quantum computer. And you have data that's stored
26:59
in water molecules, your DNA molecules, your
27:01
fascia, which is water. And then you have
27:03
microtubules. So if you think your. Your brain is
27:06
your computer, your. Your network system, your
27:10
Ethernet hardwire is your nervous system, and
27:12
your fiber optics are your fascia. And so things
27:16
travel in a quantum with quantum speed. It's
27:19
biophotons, bioacoustics. It is. It's everywhere
27:24
in your body because it's what you are. And what
27:27
happens is that fascia gets bound up and it keeps
27:30
that trauma in there, because when you have. And
27:32
it doesn't have to be big, it can be small. My
27:35
mom yelled at me, and they didn't yell at my
27:37
sister, and we were doing the same thing. It
27:38
doesn't have to be anything big, but it's a shock
27:41
to the body. And so it walls it off. And that
27:44
data is stored in there. And then we. If it
27:47
doesn't, if it's not dealt with, we. We apply
27:49
layers of protection. Layers, layers, layers. And
27:53
it's just data that's stored in that water.
27:55
Literally in quanta.
27:59
Meredith Oke: Yeah, I mean, that. That makes so much sense, you
28:03
know, and it's. Yeah.
28:04
Dr. Tina Hills: Onto DNA. They've shown they can download video
28:06
onto DNA and replay it. It's just data. It's just
28:10
information.
28:11
Meredith Oke: Right.
28:11
Dr. Tina Hills: Energy. It's just light information. We're light
28:14
information. Our bodies are light bodies. And so
28:17
when you put that, you're just. It's like a
28:19
quantum computer. Quantum computer, yeah.
28:23
Meredith Oke: And I love this way of talking about it because
28:24
it's very. Not emotional. I mean, I'm. I think,
28:31
you know, being able to experience our emotions
28:33
as key to being a healthy person. However,
28:37
sometimes we can attach too much to a certain
28:40
concept. So we're just talking about trauma as
28:43
information encoded in the body that's having a
28:45
certain kind of outcome that makes it much more.
28:51
It's got a more objective feel to it. And it's
28:54
like, okay, so what are some things I can do to
28:56
release it? That's it. That's all. And we have
28:59
this idea that, like, oh, no. Like, I've been
29:01
traumatized or my kids can't get traumatized or
29:03
no one. The trauma's there forever, and it's
29:05
going to impact me for the right. And it's like,
29:07
no, correct. You can heal it.
29:10
Dr. Tina Hills: You can get rid of it. Because if you are put
29:14
here to go through this process when you are a
29:18
child, you have all of your story. Everyone has a
29:21
story. The beginning of the story is all the
29:24
drama. The back half of the story is your hero
29:28
journey. My good friend Kevin Call talks all
29:30
about it. It's your hero journey. You come out
29:32
and you say, okay, I've learned all these things.
29:35
All of the tools that you learned as a child, you
29:37
turn around and say, okay, I don't have to rely
29:39
on them to survive, but I have them in my back
29:41
pocket if I need them. And all you're doing is
29:44
gaining wisdom and tools and learning what your
29:46
boundaries are. And, you know, so I like to look
29:51
at it objectively. There are emotional. There are
29:55
very emotional moments. I mean, I've had people
29:58
where I'm doing myofascial release or fascial
30:00
maneuvers on them and shoulder. Like out here,
30:04
just in the fascia wasn't even on a muscle, not a
30:06
joint. I had a hold of something very not fun for
30:10
the patient. And as that lets go, there's
30:14
actually a loud pop almost so you would hear if
30:16
you popped your neck. But it's out in the fascia
30:18
that pots. There is a flood of emotion and
30:21
instant relief because it's now gone. The
30:25
restriction, the containment has been let go. So
30:30
now there is more flow, sound, light, water and
30:34
movement. That's what the body wants, and it
30:37
wants that flow. We are water beings. We don't
30:40
want stagnation. So the primary thing in letting
30:43
go of trauma is going to be fascial maneuvers,
30:46
because you have to Manipulate it out of the
30:47
body. Internal trauma has to be healed from the
30:50
inside out. That's our mental speak. All that
30:53
junk we've done to ourselves, the physical. All
30:56
the junk. I mean, just everything you do to the
30:58
internal body, sometimes that external trauma has
31:01
to be healed from the outside in. So let's say if
31:04
I had my trauma, sexual abuse, that was just the
31:07
backdrop to my story. And so now, as I'm working
31:10
with. I have Troy work on me. She's doing work on
31:13
my abdominal area. And it's almost like you took
31:16
a black dagger out of my lower abdomen. And it's
31:20
that relief of, oh, my gosh, there's the energy
31:22
that is gone. I don't have to carry that anymore.
31:26
It becomes more of a memory than an experience
31:29
that you're still experiencing 30 years later or
31:33
however old you are, you know, so it makes it a
31:36
very interesting and much more beneficial
31:39
treatment when you can go through all of those
31:41
areas, because we talk about root disease, root
31:44
causes all the time, but it's not. It's the
31:46
seeds, the little seeds of trauma that start to
31:50
develop those roots and give rise to roots. And
31:53
so when you get to that little seed down there,
31:56
you can have healing on all these different
31:59
levels.
32:01
Meredith Oke: Right. The seeds of trauma.
32:04
Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah. Body keeps the score, right? There's a
32:06
whole book about it.
32:07
Meredith Oke: Yes. Yeah, there is. And it's. It's interesting
32:11
to watch. Just sort of in the popular
32:14
consciousness, the idea of trauma was just
32:16
something that was never just discussed. Then it
32:18
was discussed, and now it's sort of like front
32:22
and center, but in a way where it's like, oh,
32:24
you. You have trauma and you were triggered. We
32:27
have to reconfigure society to never trigger
32:30
anybody ever. And it's like. I don't know that
32:34
that's necessarily, like, what you're saying.
32:36
It's like, no, we need to heal ourselves so we're
32:39
not so easily triggered.
32:40
Dr. Tina Hills: Well, yeah, it's your trigger. Your trigger is
32:42
just simply showing you where you need to heal.
32:45
Yeah. That's all it is. It doesn't have to be
32:48
some big dramatic event. I mean, sometimes it is.
32:50
I still have. I still break down and cry. You
32:52
know, if I have, it comes in, you feel it, you
32:56
experience and let it go. Because what's coming
32:58
is going. But also true. What's yours is yours,
33:01
what's mine is mine. No passingada. And when
33:04
you're triggered, you start to lash out at
33:05
people, and that's not okay, because that's not
33:08
their fault. It's what you hold inside that you
33:12
need to handle. And when you handle your stuff,
33:14
then you can turn around and look at everybody
33:16
else with compassion and say, let me help you
33:18
through yours. And that's the difference. And
33:21
that's the integration is because you have to
33:24
start to spread it out and create that butterfly
33:26
effect and the overall shift in the consciousness.
33:30
Meredith Oke: Yes. And that integration piece is so important.
33:33
I'm glad, I'm glad that you've brought it up so
33:35
many times, because I do find, and I think so, I
33:39
think there's a part of the journey where we are
33:41
just in information collecting mode. We're in
33:46
knowledge expanding mode. But then at some point
33:50
that needs to translate into something real. So I
33:55
can read. You know, I remember I was like reading
33:59
about why you would wear blue blocking glasses if
34:02
you were on a screen at night for like months
34:05
before I actually went on the Internet and
34:07
ordered some and put them on my face. So there
34:10
was the integration. So, like going outside in
34:14
the morning, blocking light, like that's an
34:16
integration. But I think it's also. And the one
34:21
where we get a little more tripped up is some of
34:23
this other stuff that you're talking about. The
34:26
internal monologues, the way we see the world,
34:28
the belief systems. Like, it's, it's, you know, I
34:31
know people who can talk about that stuff, they
34:33
can write about that stuff, but they're not. But
34:37
it's not being applied.
34:40
Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah.
34:40
Meredith Oke: And we're not being integrated.
34:42
Dr. Tina Hills: Our practice, our daily practice is integration
34:46
because we've taken. We. We've put ourselves in a
34:49
constant ceremony because it's made such a
34:52
difference in our lives across the board. And so
34:55
every day we are, you know, and it's a practice,
34:57
and it's what you develop. It's what you develop.
35:00
You know, you. The coherence thing, meditation,
35:04
you have to meditate, you have to have that quiet
35:06
time, talk to your body, bring it back into
35:09
communication. The breath work. If you control
35:11
your breath, you can control everything because
35:13
it's that you take a little inspiration, hold it
35:16
for a second, give yourself a long exhale.
35:19
Stimulates your parasympathetic, pulls you out of
35:22
Fight or Flight, gives a little bit of space and
35:25
lets you actually make a decision instead of a
35:27
reaction. And so, you know, number one, we're
35:30
gonna. We gotta pull you out of Fight or Flight.
35:34
That's that meditation, breath work. Learn how to
35:36
get your body out of that. And the, the easiest
35:39
way to do it is take an inhale and then a longer
35:41
exhale because it stimulates that vagal nerve
35:44
that comes right here and turns it into
35:46
parasympathetic fight or flight is down, chills
35:50
out the body. It says, everything's okay. Let's
35:53
see what we're doing now. You know, and I think
35:55
that's one of the greatest things about the ER
35:57
too, is because it's made me. It. It teaches you
36:00
how to speak, how to think with logic in
36:03
incredibly emotional situations. Yes. Come and
36:06
see me, Ari. It's not a good day. If they see
36:08
work, it is not a good day. It is not. And so,
36:12
you know, it's. It's been an experience and it's
36:18
one that we. We're so excited to share because it
36:21
has changed everyone that we talk to about this.
36:24
With sunlight, the water, just the things that
36:28
we've been mentioning, it changes their lives
36:31
instantly. But people need to know, again, it is
36:34
not a quick fix. You can have immediate results,
36:37
but it takes about a year, it really takes a good
36:41
year to have your body make that turn all the way
36:45
to this direction. And walking down the health
36:47
route, you know, it just takes a little bit of
36:49
time. And so be patient with yourself.
36:52
Meredith Oke: Yeah, yeah. And remember, it's a journey. I
36:55
think, you know, we all want to find the smoking
36:58
gun, the root cause, the one thing that is
37:01
responsible for all the bad stuff that's
37:03
happening to our health. But it's. Yeah, it's
37:06
multifactorial, it's ongoing, it's nonlinear.
37:09
I've been hearing from a lot of people lately who
37:11
are. Who started doing all of the circadian
37:14
things and then just had incredible insomnia
37:18
descend upon them.
37:22
Dr. Tina Hills: Interesting.
37:23
Meredith Oke: And it turns out they had some emotional. There
37:27
was an emotional trauma layer.
37:30
Dr. Tina Hills: Sure.
37:30
Meredith Oke: And it was, like, sitting underneath. So when
37:33
they got every. You know, their body was in
37:36
rhythm and everything was working. It was almost
37:37
like, oh, okay, it does.
37:41
Dr. Tina Hills: It will do that.
37:41
Meredith Oke: Here comes a few more things for you to deal
37:44
with. And you are going to be awake all night
37:46
until you do you deal.
37:48
Dr. Tina Hills: With it because it's going to come knocking on
37:49
your door. But fasting does that to you. If you
37:52
go on any kind of food cleanse or fasting, it
37:54
brings all of that to the. To the surface because
37:56
it's getting all that junk out. And fast can be
37:59
incredibly emotional because you're releasing and
38:02
you're letting go of all that. All the toxins.
38:05
Meredith Oke: Yeah, right. Yeah. This is a really important
38:09
thing to bring up now that we're. Now that we're
38:11
talking about it. So I was thinking about it a.
38:13
The insomnia but now you're talking about the
38:14
fasting. It's like. And that's why we talk about
38:16
it non linearly. So we could do all of these
38:20
things to get our body back in balance and to
38:26
have our, our rhythms functioning properly. And
38:29
it's like, because our body's experiencing that
38:33
safety and that coherence, there may be all kinds
38:37
of surprises. And it's like, why am I worse? I'm
38:41
doing all the things.
38:43
Dr. Tina Hills: But you're not worse.
38:44
Meredith Oke: You're not worse.
38:45
Dr. Tina Hills: You're not worse.
38:46
Meredith Oke: You're releasing better.
38:47
Dr. Tina Hills: Because now your body says, I'm safe enough to
38:49
handle this.
38:50
Meredith Oke: Yes.
38:51
Dr. Tina Hills: And that's, you know, have a friend. Phone a
38:54
friend. Yeah, someone that you can trust. Someone
38:58
that you. That has been through it already.
39:01
Someone who can guide you to the next step.
39:03
Because, you know, with Troy and I, what we
39:05
really focus on, we had this, this great
39:07
relationship because we worked before we were
39:09
together. And so it really let us have this trust
39:12
and this completely different perspective of what
39:14
a relationship is going to be. And so what we.
39:17
When we've got, while we've gone down this path,
39:19
it'll be like one of us gets a little bit ahead
39:22
and then we say, okay, come on, catch up. So it's
39:24
kind of this stepwise pattern and we've done that
39:26
with each other the whole time. Okay, I found
39:28
this. This is really working. This isn't working.
39:29
Let's try this. And we kind of pull each other
39:31
along. And so I liken it to rolling a ball
39:34
appeal. She's in her bubble, I'm in my bubble.
39:37
We're pushing the ball together, and we have to
39:40
keep it even going up the hill. And so everything
39:43
we do is focusing on that. We don't look behind
39:46
us. If something comes up from behind, we say,
39:49
man, that really, that was kind of sucked. We got
39:51
to get over that. Let's. How do we get over this?
39:53
And we work through it and then we just keep
39:55
pushing that ball because it's a lot more fun to
39:58
play games with that ball than it is to think
39:59
about what happened in the past. But we've
40:02
already dealt with it, so we're not ignoring it.
40:05
We've already moved through it and let it process
40:08
through our bodies and, and, and our emotional
40:11
state. And like, okay, if I had this happen when
40:14
I was a child, here's the tool I learned that I
40:17
had. How can I make that a beneficial tool? Get
40:20
rid of the ones that no longer serve. Don't use
40:23
them anymore. Tools being all of the things we've
40:29
talked about your emotional sport. Just different
40:31
tools that you gain.
40:34
Meredith Oke: Yeah. And I think people are drawn to different
40:38
things. And you know, like, I was very drawn to
40:42
tools that were very cerebral and word oriented
40:47
because that's how I, you know, that's how I'm
40:49
cognitively oriented. So things where I would,
40:53
would do a lot of writing, a lot of journaling, a
40:56
lot of like writing down my thoughts and
40:58
questioning them on paper and other people, I was
41:01
like, this is amazing, Try it. And they were
41:03
like, I, I hate this. I'm. It's. What are you
41:05
talking about? Like, this is useless. But I found
41:07
it, like completely change, transformed my life,
41:11
like in a profound way. But that's what I was
41:13
drawn to. So.
41:15
Dr. Tina Hills: But that was your patient, right? So it's your
41:18
quiet time, it's your time with yourself. It's
41:20
reflection and, and so it works for you. That
41:24
does not work for me.
41:27
Meredith Oke: That's what I learned. So other people, you know,
41:31
like. Yeah, like my brother, for example, he, he
41:34
started like running marathons. Just being in
41:39
constant, like being, being in physical movement
41:42
all of the time. And that's, that's his play,
41:44
that's his meditation practice, I would say.
41:47
Okay, you mentioned something earlier that I want
41:49
to circle back to and then I'm going to open it
41:53
up because this is a podcast interview and also a
41:57
QVC Pro member event. So we have a few people on
42:02
Liselle Violeta. If anyone has questions, put
42:05
them in the chat or you're welcome to jump on if
42:09
you want to unmute yourself to do that. So I'll
42:13
circle back to you in a second. But Tina, you
42:16
mentioned earlier that you worked for a small
42:19
local independent hospital that got bought by a
42:22
conglomerate and a lot of things changed. Tell
42:27
us, like, what changed? How is it different? What
42:29
did you learn about the healthcare system in that
42:31
experience?
42:33
Dr. Tina Hills: I was, well, I was, you know, I was, I was safely
42:35
protected in the military for a long time, so I
42:38
didn't have to deal with the reality of what was
42:41
going on in the hospital system. And so we had
42:43
the last physician owned hospital in Texas and it
42:46
was a private group and it was a democratic
42:49
group. And when the conglomerate came in first,
42:52
they took that group, they bought the group
42:54
first. And they totally dictate how you can
43:00
practice medicine. You don't have free thought
43:04
anymore on how you practice. There's very certain
43:06
things that you have to do. Everything is on a
43:09
time. You have two minutes to see a patient, you
43:11
have five minutes to start a chart, you have one
43:13
hour to get them to just, just everything was
43:15
like timed and if you didn't make those, that
43:17
you're getting in trouble for not making those
43:19
time. It was just a completely different
43:21
environment.
43:22
Meredith Oke: And you're used to. I'm used to giving self love
43:26
messages to the depressed guy with a dislocated
43:28
shoulder. And they're like, no, you have two and
43:30
a half minutes.
43:32
Dr. Tina Hills: Yes.
43:33
Meredith Oke: Wow.
43:34
Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah.
43:34
Meredith Oke: Okay.
43:35
Dr. Tina Hills: So it was, it's just corporate medicine versus a
43:38
private practice almost, you know, just very,
43:40
very different. And a lot of rules, a lot of
43:43
rushing around, a lot of not fun, not fun for the
43:49
patient. You know, it wasn't fun for us, but the
43:52
patients were suffering.
43:54
Meredith Oke: Right.
43:56
Dr. Tina Hills: So I had to get out of there.
43:58
Meredith Oke: Yeah, no, that's crazy because you are someone
44:03
with your body of work who's bringing a lot more
44:06
than just the very specific acute required
44:11
response. You're bringing so much more to the
44:13
table. And that model basically erases any chance
44:17
of that happening.
44:19
Dr. Tina Hills: We made it happen.
44:22
Meredith Oke: You found a way. Yeah.
44:25
Dr. Tina Hills: I Talked to probably seven out of 10 patients
44:27
about some sort of quantum health. And they're
44:30
very open people. People are, are just craving
44:34
something different.
44:35
Meredith Oke: So you are talking to them about this in the AR
44:39
while they're in there?
44:40
Dr. Tina Hills: Oh, yeah, all the time. I would have some
44:44
discharge instructions because I have to meet a
44:45
standard of care. So somebody comes in for a
44:48
urinary tract infection, here's your antibiotic
44:51
and here's your discharge instructions for uti.
44:53
And here's how you get your gut back in shape
44:55
after you take this antibiotic. Because it's
44:57
going to make you have these emotional things
44:59
that's going to make you have these physical
45:00
things. And you need to get your body back in
45:01
gear. It's going to take six months. And so it
45:04
would have that conversation. And so that leads
45:07
you all the way into see the sunrise, get in the
45:09
uva, put your feet on the dirt. You know, it just
45:11
leads you down that path. And so you get to talk
45:14
to a lot of people about it. And everyone, even
45:17
the especially nursing staff, had a friend of
45:19
mine who was a nurse for a long time and ended up
45:21
getting colon cancer at a very young age. And I
45:24
said, man, get out there and start doing this
45:25
circadian stuff. He text me at the two days into
45:29
it, he text me, said, tina, I haven't felt this
45:30
good in 10 years. Wow, two days. It's an
45:34
immediate. That's what say you can have immediate
45:36
results, but the, the actual change of
45:40
symptomology and the disease process takes a
45:42
little Bit longer.
45:43
Meredith Oke: Right.
45:43
Dr. Tina Hills: That takes about that year.
45:45
Meredith Oke: Yeah, but. Yes, but. But your body getting back
45:49
into rhythm can happen right away in the.
45:52
Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah.
45:52
Meredith Oke: So I'm. So I'm. I'm really excited that
45:55
everyone's into it.
45:57
Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah, everyone's. There was very few. And, you
45:59
know, right when you start to talk to someone,
46:00
whether they're going to listen to any kind of
46:02
information outside of Western medicine, but it
46:04
was a good 7 to 8 out of 10 people who were
46:07
hungry for something different.
46:09
Meredith Oke: Amazing. So for anyone listening who does work in
46:13
a traditional healthcare model, tell us again how
46:16
you slide in. You just put it in their
46:20
instructions.
46:21
Dr. Tina Hills: We're going to handle your illness at this time
46:24
with these medicines. But when these medicines
46:26
are done, you need to get your body back into a
46:28
homeostatic place. You have to move it back
46:30
because these medicines are going to do some
46:32
damage while you're taking them. And we got to
46:33
get you back over here where you started. And if
46:37
you continue doing these practices, they'll
46:38
actually heal your body.
46:42
Meredith Oke: And. And people are receptive, Incredibly
46:45
receptive. See, I love hearing that because so
46:50
many people are like, yeah, no, but, you know,
46:51
especially doctors, they're like, nobody cares.
46:53
Nobody wants it. They just want the pill. They're
46:55
not interested. And I'm like, are you sure? I
46:59
feel like they are.
47:00
Dr. Tina Hills: You're interested, especially when you get into
47:03
people who are into any kind of. Of plant
47:06
medicine and kind of know a little bit more
47:10
information about how the system works and the
47:11
game of life works. And people. People don't want
47:15
it anymore. People know it's. It's just a band
47:18
aid. You know, it's really good at controlling
47:21
symptoms, but it's not doing anything else. And
47:24
if you block something that the body's supposed
47:26
to do naturally, it's always a disaster. And
47:29
that's what most medications do in the long run,
47:31
you know, so.
47:34
Meredith Oke: Right.
47:35
Dr. Tina Hills: Have a different perspective, though. Yeah,
47:37
because I've experienced it and I live it every
47:39
day. And now I'm, you know, all of us, all of our
47:43
friend, everybody that we. We get on the same
47:45
pattern. Our business partners, we make sure
47:47
everybody's doing the same thing. We just got
47:49
back from Las Vegas. We were going out there to
47:50
do stem cells, and our business partner sat down.
47:55
She'd been here all week having all the fruits
47:56
and vegetables that we eat. Sat down to have one
47:59
meal. She's like, I can't eat that anymore. She
48:00
was almost sick. And from that point, that was
48:02
her last regular, like, meal with gluten. And,
48:05
you know, all the different things on her
48:07
sandwich, she's like, nope, I can't do it
48:09
anymore. I feel, it made me feel too badly. And
48:11
so people get that shock after they've been
48:13
exposed. And then it's, it's. Then it's a
48:15
complete change.
48:16
Meredith Oke: Right. And so just because people always like to
48:22
know what do you recommend people to eat? And
48:25
then questions. Throw them in the chat or put in
48:28
the chat if you want to come on camera. Okay.
48:32
Food.
48:33
Dr. Tina Hills: We're vegan by choice.
48:35
Meredith Oke: Okay.
48:36
Dr. Tina Hills: And as the vibration of the body increases, as
48:39
the health of the body increases, it really kind
48:41
of chooses for you. I, every once in a while I
48:46
get a really strong craving for some sort of
48:48
meat. And if I don't sat, if I can't satisfy that
48:51
with like mushrooms, beans, something like that,
48:54
that has a little bit higher protein in it, then
48:56
I'll have a little piece. But I make sure I have
48:57
the best of the worst. I typically go with bison
49:00
because I know that's going to be probably the
49:02
cleanest. We don't really eat poultry anymore. I
49:06
don't eat any eggs or dairy at all. Every once in
49:10
a while, Troy will have an egg, they'll throw one
49:12
in there. Just because she loves eggs, but she
49:14
usually regrets it when she's done.
49:16
Meredith Oke: Interesting.
49:17
Dr. Tina Hills: But I tell people you have to figure out what
49:19
your body likes because it depends on where
49:20
you're starting. And so if you eat something, I
49:24
want people to go very clean on their eating. Get
49:26
out of processed foods. If you cannot read the
49:27
label, put it back, you don't need it. Go to
49:31
simple, whole natural foods and then start
49:34
introducing things back. So get really super
49:36
clean for about two weeks. Have an egg, see how
49:39
you feel. Have a piece of cheese, see how you
49:42
feel. And if it makes you feel anything but
49:44
energized and feeling good, put it back and don't
49:46
eat it anymore. Makes it really easy because it's
49:49
you. That's the place where it becomes an
49:51
individual program is the food. Because with like
49:54
cold plunge, thermal therapies, circadian, that
49:57
is across the board, good for everyone. Food is
50:00
where it becomes a little bit more specialized to
50:02
your body. And you have to make that decision,
50:04
but you have to be honest with yourself about how
50:05
you feel. You can't go down and sit, sit and have
50:09
a big meal and then realize. And you just need to
50:11
realize, okay, I'm not going to feel my energy
50:13
core. I'm not going to feel as light. And then
50:16
you kind of weave your way through it and work
50:18
your way through what makes you feel good, you
50:21
don't want to feel bloated, you don't want to
50:22
feel heavy, you don't want to feel sleepy. Those
50:25
are all things that the food is taking your
50:27
energy instead of giving you energy.
50:31
Meredith Oke: That's a really helpful way to look at it because
50:36
I don't, I don't really, I don't bring food up
50:38
much on this podcast as people probably notice,
50:40
for the exact reason you just said. I'm like, you
50:43
know what? I don't know, I don't know what you
50:45
should eat.
50:47
Dr. Tina Hills: All natural foods. You're not going to go wrong.
50:50
Meredith Oke: Yes, I agreed. Yeah, within, yeah, like nobody
50:54
should be eating hyper processed foods or foods
50:57
that aren't real food. But beyond that, I'm like,
51:00
I don't know.
51:01
Dr. Tina Hills: You really want to stay away from seed oils. So
51:05
if you're so again, the best of the worst. So we
51:07
use a brand. I'm going to throw a shout out to
51:09
cfe. They just got bought out so you have to
51:11
watch them now. I got to make sure they don't
51:12
change. They're made with avocado oil, you know,
51:16
so it's like, so you start with, start with
51:18
something that you know and you can start making
51:20
substitutions that you. So instead of a regular
51:23
chip, you get a chip that's made with avocado oil
51:25
and cassava flour. So you're getting gluten free,
51:28
grain free and so you can have that as a snack so
51:31
you don't feel so deprived and you have your
51:34
taste buds change. And so as, as you start to
51:36
clean out your diet, your taste buds change. So
51:39
just you be kind to yourself. Do not beat
51:43
yourself up. I just read a study by Eric Topol
51:47
out of California on Pro and it re just
51:51
reintroduced the, the dosage of protein because
51:54
everybody's still caught up on protein and you
51:56
really want about 0.8 grams per kilogram in a
52:00
day. If you're over 60. Out of his studies, he
52:03
recommended 1.2 grams per kilograms of protein
52:06
because when you get too much protein, then
52:08
you're talking about kidney damage,
52:09
cardiovascular disease, it's too much. Your body
52:12
doesn't need that much. Plus your gut biome makes
52:15
protein. If you clear off all those receptors and
52:19
allow it to use the building blocks, the amino
52:21
acids from fruits and vegetables, you're going to
52:25
have enough protein because your body's going to
52:26
make it. We calculated out our meal one day. We
52:29
had 80 grams of protein and hadn't had dinner yet
52:32
on fruit and a salad and, and healthy and so it's
52:38
like you just need to just kind of change what
52:41
you know and open yourself up to options.
52:45
Meredith Oke: Right. So tell me, tell me, like, how you got
52:49
protein from fruit and salad.
52:51
Dr. Tina Hills: So protein is simply amino acids. The most
52:55
bioavailable protein is beans, legumes and seeds.
53:00
Nuts.
53:01
Meredith Oke: Right.
53:02
Dr. Tina Hills: About 20, 20, 25 of the protein and meat is
53:05
bioavailable. The rest of it gets digested and
53:08
pooped out.
53:09
Meredith Oke: Yeah.
53:09
Dr. Tina Hills: And your body. So your body takes that full
53:11
protein, breaks it down into the amino acids it
53:14
needs, and creates the proteins that it needs.
53:16
Because your body's a protein factory. And so
53:18
it's, It's. If you just eat the parts your body
53:21
can make the protein that it needs, either one is
53:25
fine.
53:26
Meredith Oke: Right.
53:27
Dr. Tina Hills: It's not wrong. Your body's intelligent.
53:32
Meredith Oke: Yeah. And I think that's the, the important thing
53:34
is we, we get a little dogmatic, especially about
53:38
food. We people get dogmatic about everything.
53:43
Dr. Tina Hills: And we really just try to make it as simple as
53:45
possible and still have fun. And that's what it's
53:48
about. You're here to have fun.
53:50
Meredith Oke: You know, you know what? Yes. And that's circling
53:55
back to where we started before. And I, I also
53:58
just want to say, like, I do some of this, like,
54:01
super esoteric people that I have followed or
54:05
read over the years. They do say, they did say
54:09
that as our frequency rises, our need to eat food
54:14
will be reduced and our need to eat animal
54:17
protein will be reduced. I'm not there yet, but I
54:20
do see what you're saying. And so what we want to
54:24
look for is not, is this on the good list or the
54:26
bad list? But how do I feel after I eat it?
54:29
Dr. Tina Hills: Right.
54:30
Meredith Oke: How is my energy? How is this resonating with my
54:32
frequency? Okay.
54:35
Dr. Tina Hills: Changes day by day.
54:37
Meredith Oke: Right? Yeah. And yes, in life moments, I've
54:42
noticed things I used to enjoy and can no longer
54:45
eat. But I do want to talk about. Yeah. The
54:48
having fun. We're here to have fun. And at the
54:51
beginning you said, oh, that moment where. Or not
54:55
that moment, but reaching the point where you
54:56
realized, like, it's okay to be happy.
54:58
Dr. Tina Hills: Yes.
55:00
Meredith Oke: And it's okay to have fun and to make things fun.
55:03
Unless it's impossible. Sometimes is impossible.
55:06
But bounce back to the fun.
55:08
Dr. Tina Hills: Yes. Really, when you, if you give yourself that
55:11
little pause and you can step back and really not
55:15
get involved in the chaos and just really look at
55:18
what's going on, most of it's just hilarious
55:22
because we create our own drama. We do it all.
55:25
It's like we're Creating our story as we go and
55:28
wow, let's make it more fun. And I think that
55:31
together it'll shift a lot faster.
55:34
Meredith Oke: Yeah, I know. And we do. We make up these
55:37
stories. I've had, like, a really busy couple
55:39
weeks and like, I feel these moments where I'm
55:41
like, I've only sanctioned your. And then I'm
55:43
like, what are those things, Meredith? What are
55:45
they? I'm like, oh, I get to interview Tina on a
55:49
podcast. Oh, I get to help fundraise for my
55:51
children's school district. Oh, I get to like,
55:54
write a blog post. Like, these are great things.
55:56
But my mind. My mind likes to take everything and
56:00
just turn it into a storm cloud.
56:02
Dr. Tina Hills: That's what we've been trying to do, you know,
56:05
that's what. That's what everybody has taught you
56:06
what to do. And so it's just change of
56:08
perspective. The first thing that happens, change
56:10
in perspective. And just saying, I'm really okay.
56:14
I don't want to do this anymore because it hurts
56:16
too much. What else can I do differently? And
56:19
people will not change until the pain becomes too
56:21
great, you know, and so don't wait that long.
56:26
Meredith Oke: Yes.
56:27
Dr. Tina Hills: Have fun before it gets too late.
56:28
Meredith Oke: A good marker of growth. It's like, how little
56:31
pain do I have to be in before I make a required
56:33
change?
56:36
Dr. Tina Hills: Perfect. Perfect.
56:37
Meredith Oke: A little bit less each time. Hopefully a lot less
56:40
each time. Quantum leaps. Let's think in quantum
56:42
leaps.
56:42
Dr. Tina Hills: There you go.
56:44
Meredith Oke: Violeta wanted to jump in. Do you want to unmute
56:48
yourself, Violeta? Hi.
56:52
Dr. Tina Hills: Hi there.
56:53
Meredith Oke: Nice to meet you, Violeta. I am. I'm a
56:57
psychiatrist and I have various different roles.
57:01
One is the emergency department. I'm actually.
57:03
The reason I'm not on video is because I'm
57:05
getting ready for my shift soon. And the other is
57:12
neurotherapeutics. So amongst the. The procedures
57:16
is ketamine administration, too.
57:20
Dr. Tina Hills: What about. I'm sorry, what about it?
57:25
Meredith Oke: That I administer ketamine as one of my other
57:30
therapeutic tools.
57:34
Dr. Tina Hills: Oh, sorry, tool. Yeah.
57:38
Meredith Oke: Yeah, it is. But the more. And right now I'm. I'm
57:43
actually going to transition somewhat into a mod.
57:49
A model where I can incorporate quantum concepts
57:53
freely, which will be great. But one thing I have
57:58
noticed, even in the current allopathic model
58:02
where I'm administering ketamine, is how its
58:07
limitations and it really doesn't suit everybody.
58:14
And I'm wondering, given your experience or
58:22
exposure, what do. What do people usually think
58:25
about it? When I. When patients come to me, they
58:30
have. They have, you know, thoughts that this is
58:32
going to Address everything or that. It's. It's
58:35
a. It's really like a harmless, harmless agent.
58:43
What's. What has your experience been?
58:45
Dr. Tina Hills: So typically, what will happen is you have that
58:48
breakdown of the consciousness and the. And the
58:51
ego just long enough to get you. Get you in the
58:55
door. That is where the integration comes in.
58:59
Plant medicine is simply a door that opens to a
59:03
different perspective. That's all it's doing.
59:06
Things like ayahuasca can actually get the trauma
59:09
out, but when you have something like ketamine,
59:11
you're overriding those. Those systems that are
59:13
in place so that you can reprogram them. And that
59:17
is why integration is the most important part of
59:20
all of this. Because now I have somebody who is
59:22
vulnerable, and we can say, okay, this is. This
59:26
happens before you ever even give ketamine. You
59:28
have this plan in place, in. Okay, what are we
59:31
addressing? I do body work when I have people on
59:35
it, and so I help get some of that trauma out.
59:37
And as they're coming out, we are talking. We're
59:40
talking about their trauma, what they experienced
59:43
during the journey, how do we apply those things?
59:47
And we really talk a lot about the experiences
59:50
that we've had in both the ER and in our own
59:52
lives. And that's telling. That story of how you
59:55
integrate is going to be one of the most
59:56
important things. You need to experience ketamine
59:59
yourself. So you know what it feels like. Yeah.
1:00:05
Meredith Oke: Opportunities like that for professionals are few
1:00:08
and far between.
1:00:09
Dr. Tina Hills: They are. But, you know, you have somebody with.
1:00:12
There's tons of ketamine clinics that are
1:00:14
starting to pop up. But that may be something
1:00:16
that I would really consider because I wouldn't
1:00:18
do anything that I would ask somebody to do. I
1:00:19
would never send someone to Ayahuasca. I would
1:00:21
never have anybody use psilocybin if I hadn't
1:00:24
done it myself and knew what it felt like.
1:00:27
Meredith Oke: Yeah. And I think perhaps a different. A
1:00:31
different setting maybe, because I think it as
1:00:33
you. Oh, I don't know. But in my current setting
1:00:36
in allopathic medicine, where I practice, it's
1:00:39
definitely not something. I think there would be
1:00:43
some scrutiny.
1:00:45
Dr. Tina Hills: Oh, yeah, absolutely. This is going to be
1:00:47
something that's in a private practice where you
1:00:49
have someone who's really cold, set and set is
1:00:51
really isolated out. It's set and setting is
1:00:55
everything. You have to set the intention. You
1:00:57
have to set the space so that it's calm, it's.
1:00:59
It's inviting, it is safe for that person. And as
1:01:03
they start to go down, they have to be able to
1:01:05
really let go, because people can still kind of
1:01:07
hold on, and it becomes a little bit of a fight
1:01:10
as they go down. But if you have them set, we're
1:01:14
going to have fun today. We're going to do this
1:01:16
work, but we're going to have fun. And the energy
1:01:18
that you bring into that room is going to make
1:01:20
the difference. When I was working on that guy
1:01:22
with the shoulder, I was in a freestanding. I was
1:01:24
called a freestanding er. He was the only one
1:01:26
there, and so I had all the time in the world to
1:01:28
spend with him. And then I had a few patients
1:01:31
trickle in, but my attention was. I had had the
1:01:33
ability to give my patient that. That attention.
1:01:37
And so if I do it now, it's not typically in the
1:01:39
er. It's typically done in right over there on
1:01:43
that couch, actually. Or people can come over
1:01:46
here and they lay down right there and have a
1:01:49
great experience. And it, like I said, just when
1:01:51
you guide them, it depends on how you hold that
1:01:53
space and how you control that space. That. Yeah.
1:01:59
Meredith Oke: Oh, yeah, definitely.
1:02:01
Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah.
1:02:01
Meredith Oke: Thank you.
1:02:02
Dr. Tina Hills: You're so welcome.
1:02:04
Meredith Oke: Thanks, Violeta. Good to see you. All right,
1:02:10
Tina, this was amazing. We'll have to do it again
1:02:13
sometime.
1:02:14
Dr. Tina Hills: All right.
1:02:15
Meredith Oke: And any. Are there any last thoughts coming to
1:02:18
you that you want to share? I think. Feel like
1:02:20
there might be.
1:02:24
Dr. Tina Hills: I think we got it out okay. I think got a. I
1:02:27
think we have a good one for the day. That's a
1:02:29
lot to think about for people.
1:02:32
Meredith Oke: Yeah, it is. We. We covered. We covered a lot of
1:02:34
bases there.
1:02:35
Dr. Tina Hills: We did cover a lot of bases.
1:02:38
Meredith Oke: And so, yeah, just maybe after you listen to
1:02:42
this, go for a little walk, or maybe you're
1:02:44
already out for a walk and let it process.
1:02:48
Dr. Tina Hills: And I'm happy to have people reach out to me and
1:02:51
ask me questions. I'm easy. Really, really super
1:02:54
easy to find me online. And so just reach out.
1:02:58
Meredith Oke: So, yes, let's tell people how to find you. So
1:03:00
you have a private practice. Is that in Florida?
1:03:04
Dr. Tina Hills: It's a concierge, actually. So we kind of go. But
1:03:07
I have heal me backslash. Dr. Tina Hills is
1:03:11
probably the easiest. Our website is being redone
1:03:13
right now, and so it's taken. It's under
1:03:14
construction. That's probably the easiest. Other
1:03:17
than Instagram. It's Progressive Health
1:03:20
Management. PHMX or Dr. Tina Hillsdio.
1:03:23
Meredith Oke: Either one on Instagram. Okay. And yeah, look up
1:03:28
Tina. Connect with her. And yeah, thanks for
1:03:32
being an amazing. An amazing light in the world.
1:03:36
Dr. Tina Hills: You brought this. This knowledge into the world
1:03:39
and exactly when it was needed. Man, and it's
1:03:41
just. Thank you. Thank you. Because you
1:03:44
participated in my healing journey to a point
1:03:46
that I cannot even express my gratitude. You and
1:03:49
Carrie and everybody. And I truly appreciate it
1:03:51
because I wouldn't be here without you. So thank
1:03:53
you.
1:03:55
Meredith Oke: Thank you, Tina. Thank you so much. I look
1:03:58
forward to chatting with you again and covering
1:04:01
even more.
1:04:02
Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah. Talk about something more specific next
1:04:04
time so we can.
1:04:05
Meredith Oke: Yeah, I love to do that. Yeah, do, like, a big,
1:04:07
broad overview, and then next time we can go
1:04:10
deep. Deep. Maybe ayahuasca or something. I
1:04:12
haven't gone deep on that yet.
1:04:15
Dr. Tina Hills: All right, girl.
1:04:16
Meredith Oke: All right. Thank you.
1:04:17
Dr. Tina Hills: Bye. Bye.