Latest / Ignition - an AEW Podcast / AEW ALL OUT Preview & Predictions
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- 0:00Speaker 1: 10, 9, ignition sequence start, 6, 5.
- 0:05Speaker 2: 4, 3, 2, 1, 0, all engines running.
- 0:21Speaker 3: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
- 0:23Speaker 3: Ignition with the AEW Fan Hub Community Podcast Team. This
- 0:28Speaker 3: is Kelson, and this is our all-out preview and prediction show.
- 0:32Speaker 3: And I got to tell you, I had to practice
- 0:34Speaker 3: that a few times because that's a mouthful for me
- 0:36Speaker 3: to get out of my mouth without tripping over my tongue.
- 0:39Speaker 3: There are certain things that I just can't get past,
- 0:41Speaker 3: and that is one of them. All-out preview and prediction show.
- 0:45Speaker 3: We're going to be talking about the match card for...
- 0:49Speaker 3: all out and making our predictions. Not only are we
- 0:52Speaker 3: going to be predicting the winners, but we're going to
- 0:54Speaker 3: be predicting what storyline events may happen, debuts, returns, anything. Anything.
- 1:02Speaker 3: But before we go on with that, I did want
- 1:05Speaker 3: to say that during AEW Dynamite and Collision, remember it's
- 1:09Speaker 3: a three-hour show tomorrow night, we are doing a live
- 1:13Speaker 3: chat on the AEW Fan Hub subreddit. So be sure
- 1:18Speaker 3: to join us on that Again, make sure to set
- 1:21Speaker 3: your DVR so you don't miss anything. Normally, after Dynamite,
- 1:25Speaker 3: our buddies over at the Everything Pro Wrestling podcast, Colin
- 1:32Speaker 3: and Derek. Wait.
- 1:35Speaker 4: You said Colin.
- 1:36Speaker 5: It's Conrad.
- 1:38Speaker 4: Conrad.
- 1:39Speaker 3: Colin and the guys. They're doing their AEW. Dynamite and
- 1:47Speaker 3: AEW collision review, however, however, a couple of announcements with that.
- 1:53Speaker 3: Since it's a three-hour show, they're actually going to be
- 1:55Speaker 3: doing it, doing the review show Thursday at 7 p.m.
- 2:00Speaker 3: Eastern time. They're not doing it after the show like
- 2:03Speaker 3: they normally do. And it's going to be Conrad and
- 2:07Speaker 3: Everyone Loves a BJ. That's his name. Don't come down
- 2:11Speaker 3: on me. That is his name. Everyone loves a BJ.
- 2:15Speaker 3: They call him BJ, of course, but, you know, that's it. And,
- 2:19Speaker 3: of course, this show is the AEW All Out Prediction Show.
- 2:25Speaker 3: We have AEW All Out Prediction polls currently at the
- 2:28Speaker 3: top of the AEW Fan Hub subreddit. Go on there.
- 2:33Speaker 3: Go on there and make your picks. All you have
- 2:35Speaker 3: to do is you'll see these graphics. If you're watching
- 2:38Speaker 3: us on YouTube, you'll see these graphics at the top
- 2:41Speaker 3: of the subreddit. You click on them, you can vote.
- 2:44Speaker 3: There's already been hundreds of votes. Guys, I want to
- 2:48Speaker 3: ask you a question. I've already talked way too much.
- 2:53Speaker 3: And well, before we get into that, little Freddy Fingers
- 2:56Speaker 3: is in the chat. And he said people in charge
- 2:58Speaker 3: allowed for let's see, what does he say? People in
- 3:02Speaker 3: charge allowed for Warner Brothers to sell to Paramount. What
- 3:06Speaker 3: do you think? I don't think we have enough information
- 3:10Speaker 3: yet on that, little Freddy fingers. And I kind of
- 3:15Speaker 3: want to wait until next week to talk about that
- 3:20Speaker 3: so that we can get more information. There's just a
- 3:22Speaker 3: lot of discourse and stuff being thrown around right now.
- 3:26Speaker 3: And I really don't want to get into it on
- 3:28Speaker 3: the preview show. I hope that answers your question. But anyway,
- 3:33Speaker 3: back to the predictions. Guys, we've got, what do we have?
- 3:38Speaker 3: Eight matches on the main show and two on the
- 3:41Speaker 3: tailgate brawl? Yep, yep. Do you think that's enough? Do
- 3:45Speaker 3: you think they need to add more?
- 3:46Speaker 6: No, that's enough.
- 3:47Speaker 2: No problem. We're keeping it simple. We just had a
- 3:51Speaker 2: big feud, so a more abbreviated affair might be welcome.
- 3:56Speaker 7: I wouldn't mind some kind of multi-women brawl. match on
- 4:01Speaker 7: the tailgate for all. Other than that, I think it's
- 4:05Speaker 7: a good card.
- 4:06Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we have almost, we've got quite a
- 4:11Speaker 3: few titles being defended or title holders wrestling. I mean,
- 4:15Speaker 3: Moxley isn't defending his title, but he's going for the
- 4:17Speaker 3: world championship. Mercedes Monet has got a broken nose. She's injured.
- 4:21Speaker 3: She's out. What else? Who else is not defending?
- 4:26Speaker 6: The TBS.
- 4:28Speaker 2: Persephone.
- 4:30Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Persephone. Yeah. Would you be... I don't
- 4:35Speaker 3: want to see Persephone on the pre-show. I don't want
- 4:40Speaker 3: to see her on the tailgate brawl. I want to
- 4:42Speaker 3: have a proper match in the main show. Do you
- 4:47Speaker 3: think it's necessary for Persephone to be in the show?
- 4:53Speaker 4: I don't know if I'd say it's necessary, but I
- 4:56Speaker 4: definitely would say... like to see it, and I think
- 4:59Speaker 4: it would help to, you know, show they do care
- 5:03Speaker 4: at least a little bit about women's wrestling in the
- 5:05Speaker 4: TBS title.
- 5:07Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. That's one of the things
- 5:09Speaker 3: that I definitely want to see is, you know, more
- 5:15Speaker 3: women's matches.
- 5:16Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree. I don't think they need it, but
- 5:20Speaker 6: I would like to see it added.
- 5:21Speaker 2: Yeah, with the... I didn't... With Mercedes being out of
- 5:27Speaker 2: the show, do they have a replacement for versus Willow?
- 5:33Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to be talking about that just a
- 5:36Speaker 3: little bit later on. But it is going to be
- 5:38Speaker 3: Willow versus Tecla.
- 5:39Speaker 2: Nice, nice.
- 5:40Speaker 3: I'm surprised you didn't know that. You've been under that
- 5:43Speaker 3: rock again, Jess?
- 5:46Speaker 2: It's been a time. I've been kind of bulldozed lately.
- 5:49Speaker 6: Okay.
- 5:50Speaker 3: I'm putting it in position. Time out. All right. Well,
- 5:55Speaker 3: let's get on with the show. Let's get on with
- 5:57Speaker 3: the actual show. Let's start making our predictions. I guess
- 6:03Speaker 3: the main event, which it has been confirmed, it's the
- 6:05Speaker 3: main event. Will Ospreay defending the AEW World Championship against
- 6:09Speaker 3: Jon Moxley. What do you guys think here? Do you
- 6:12Speaker 3: think that there's any chance Moxley wins? Zero.
- 6:18Speaker 2: None. I mean, this match was made for me. These
- 6:20Speaker 2: are my two favorite wrestlers right now. I love them both.
- 6:24Speaker 2: There is no chance Mox is winning.
- 6:26Speaker 8: Yeah, negative 0%, like negative 5% or something.
- 6:31Speaker 6: No way he takes that title.
- 6:33Speaker 2: It's going to be emotional as heck, though.
- 6:35Speaker 3: Why do you think that?
- 6:38Speaker 2: Why wouldn't it be? These two have really fraught history
- 6:44Speaker 2: over the past several months. The mentor-mentee relationship, and that
- 6:51Speaker 2: broke down. And then they sort of maybe mended a little, like,
- 6:55Speaker 2: with the whole thing all in. And things seem all
- 7:01Speaker 2: tense with the Death Riders. There's a lot of stuff
- 7:04Speaker 2: swirling around this match that could make it interesting.
- 7:07Speaker 3: I can see what Boxley's been saying in the promos. Miz,
- 7:10Speaker 3: this is for you. What has he been saying in
- 7:12Speaker 3: the promos? Something like, he's not afraid, he's not worried
- 7:16Speaker 3: about winning, he's afraid of... Osprey losing or something like that?
- 7:21Speaker 3: Is that what he's saying? I can't remember, honestly. Nobody?
- 7:27Speaker 4: It's something like that. It's one of those.
- 7:30Speaker 4: Sometimes Mox gets a little... Philosophical? out there with his promos,
- 7:36Speaker 4: and it's like, I kind of remember the overall of it,
- 7:40Speaker 4: but I can't remember anything really specific, because it's kind
- 7:45Speaker 4: of like, You're like, huh?
- 7:48Speaker 3: What did I miss? Ah, crap.
- 7:50Speaker 2: The long and short of it, I think, is that
- 7:54Speaker 2: Mox sees Will as the successor he's been looking for
- 7:58Speaker 2: since he started the Death Riders, and obviously has a
- 8:03Speaker 2: soft spot for him, but that does not sit well
- 8:06Speaker 2: with the likes of Pac and Gabe Kidd. So we're
- 8:12Speaker 2: seeing dissension in the ranks of the Death Riders for
- 8:14Speaker 2: the first time. which is interesting.
- 8:17Speaker 3: I've seen some people on social media saying this is
- 8:20Speaker 3: the end of the Death Riders. It may be the
- 8:23Speaker 3: beginning of the end, but I don't see it as
- 8:24Speaker 3: the end. What do you guys think? Is the dissension
- 8:28Speaker 3: going to come to a head on Saturday night?
- 8:32Speaker 4: Probably. Probably. I feel like it's going to, and I
- 8:37Speaker 4: think it needs to.
- 8:38Speaker 8: Yeah, personally, I don't see it coming into it, and
- 8:42Speaker 8: definitely not at this pay-per-view.
- 8:43Speaker 5: And don't forget, we have blood and guts coming, so
- 8:46Speaker 5: we don't know exactly who is going to be.
- 8:49Speaker 6: Is it going to be.
- 8:50Speaker 5: Jon Moxley's Death Riders or Jon Moxley teaming up with
- 8:55Speaker 5: Will Ospreay? So that's the million-dollar question.
- 8:58Speaker 2: Maybe it'll be a figure, sort of like what happened
- 9:01Speaker 2: with the NWO on the modern scale. Obviously, there's still
- 9:06Speaker 2: people who are loyal to Mox. But as long as
- 9:10Speaker 2: Mox has a soft spot for Will, it's going to
- 9:14Speaker 2: rub Gabe and Pac and their ilk the wrong way.
- 9:21Speaker 2: So we may see a fissure along that line.
- 9:24Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the one thing that I've noticed lately,
- 9:27Speaker 3: and correct me if you think I'm wrong, but I
- 9:30Speaker 3: have noticed that the Death Riders have been interfering at
- 9:35Speaker 3: the end of practically every match. I mean.
- 9:40Speaker 3: You know, dark matches probably they're out there interfering on.
- 9:43Speaker 3: I mean, they're really busy.
- 9:45Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 9:46Speaker 5: Collision, they were very, very busy.
- 9:48Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 9:49Speaker 3: Go ahead.
- 9:51Speaker 4: It's getting to be a bit much at this point, honestly.
- 9:54Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of like the NWO from WCW back
- 9:57Speaker 3: in the day where it was just like, come on.
- 10:00Speaker 3: I mean, even the Don Callis family, which is much
- 10:02Speaker 3: bigger than the Death Riders, isn't involved in every single
- 10:06Speaker 3: match like the Death Riders have been. It just seems
- 10:09Speaker 3: that way. Of course, they're not involved in every single match.
- 10:11Speaker 3: It just seems like they are. But anyway, do you
- 10:14Speaker 3: see any kind of.
- 10:16Speaker 3: Surprise returns or debuts in this match? Anything make sense?
- 10:26Speaker 9: Depending on if the Death Rider would be in the
- 10:31Speaker 9: corner of John, who would be in the corner of Will?
- 10:36Speaker 9: Would it be like Francesco, the United Empire?
- 10:43Speaker 5: Who could it be?
- 10:47Speaker 3: You know, the only person that comes to mind, and
- 10:48Speaker 3: I don't know if you think that this is the
- 10:50Speaker 3: place for him to come in, it's been reported by
- 10:53Speaker 3: Fightful confirmed that Ilya Dragunov is signed with AEW. Is
- 10:59Speaker 3: this the place for him? And does he go for, like,
- 11:01Speaker 3: the Continental Championship in November?
- 11:04Speaker 7: That would definitely be interesting. Would you have him, I guess,
- 11:09Speaker 7: coming out after the match?
- 11:11Speaker 3: Maybe if the Death Riders do a beatdown. Go ahead, Jess.
- 11:15Speaker 2: I could be wrong, so bad on me if I
- 11:19Speaker 2: wasn't quoting here, but wasn't there issues going on with
- 11:21Speaker 2: his visa or something, and that's why they haven't officially
- 11:26Speaker 2: announced him as All Elite yet?
- 11:28Speaker 3: I have heard something about the visa. But the visa's
- 11:31Speaker 3: going to come around. It may have already come around.
- 11:35Speaker 2: I'm just saying if it's still a problem, we may
- 11:38Speaker 2: not see him at this show.
- 11:40Speaker 3: That's true. Any other thoughts about Will Ospreay versus Jon Moxley?
- 11:44Speaker 3: Because apparently this is the most cut-and-dried match we're probably
- 11:47Speaker 3: going to see in this pay-per-view as the main event.
- 11:52Speaker 3: All right, well, let's move on. Guys, I got to
- 11:56Speaker 3: tell you, when it comes to renders, this render of
- 12:00Speaker 3: Kazuchika Okada has gotten the most comments I have ever
- 12:04Speaker 3: seen about a render. I wish all of you, not
- 12:07Speaker 3: only the people here today, on this podcast with us,
- 12:11Speaker 3: but people that are listening, the happiness and joy that
- 12:15Speaker 3: Kazuchika Okada is emoting here in his render. That is
- 12:20Speaker 3: the most adorable picture of a wrestler I have ever
- 12:24Speaker 3: seen in my life.
- 12:25Speaker 2: That poop-eating grin is adorable.
- 12:29Speaker 3: I tell you. And the contrast of Tommaso Ciampa sitting
- 12:33Speaker 3: there looking like Just, he's pissed off at the world.
- 12:37Speaker 4: But he peed in his cornflakes.
- 12:39Speaker 3: Yes, it is. Exactly. Very well said. But this match
- 12:43Speaker 3: is for the AEW International Championship. I don't know. I
- 12:51Speaker 3: think that Tommaso Ciampa has a chance. What do you
- 12:53Speaker 3: guys think? Please.
- 12:56Speaker 2: He deserves it. I voted for him.
- 13:00Speaker 4: I'm giving him like a 10% chance.
- 13:01Speaker 8: I'm going with like 30%. I would love to see
- 13:05Speaker 8: Ciampa win the belt and, you know, go into maybe
- 13:08Speaker 8: even a feud or just let Okada go on to
- 13:11Speaker 8: bigger pastures.
- 13:12Speaker 6: But I would love to see it. Doubt that it
- 13:15Speaker 6: will happen.
- 13:16Speaker 3: My biz, if you say going on to bigger pastures,
- 13:19Speaker 3: do you think the C2 is what you're looking at
- 13:23Speaker 3: with him? Or a world championship run?
- 13:26Speaker 8: I would love to see him in the tournament. I
- 13:31Speaker 8: would love to see a full-fledged loaded C2 for once,
- 13:34Speaker 8: meaning Omega, Okada, if you could get them all in there.
- 13:39Speaker 8: But either way, Okada needs to go up to the
- 13:41Speaker 8: C2 or even into the heavyweight scene. I think that
- 13:45Speaker 8: his run with his title right now has kind of
- 13:47Speaker 8: ran its course. So I would love to see Ciampa
- 13:51Speaker 8: leave with it. I just don't see it happening right now.
- 13:54Speaker 3: I mean, look, I agree with you. I mean, the
- 13:56Speaker 3: World Championship scene, Hangman Adam Page still can't, you know,
- 14:02Speaker 3: challenge for that. Are we going to see Moxley just
- 14:06Speaker 3: continually challenge or Omega continually challenge for the World Championship?
- 14:11Speaker 3: Has Okada ever challenged for the World Championship at AEW?
- 14:16Speaker 6: I don't think so.
- 14:17Speaker 3: At least not on a pay-per-view. This is something we
- 14:21Speaker 3: would want to see. Ospreay versus Okada.
- 14:25Speaker 4: Yes, please.
- 14:27Speaker 3: Again.
- 14:28Speaker 2: Give me it.
- 14:28Speaker 3: I know. WrestleDream's in Orlando, is it not?
- 14:32Speaker 8: Yes, it is.
- 14:34Speaker 3: Yeah, Barry is going to this show. I think that
- 14:38Speaker 3: he would be more than happy to see Okada versus
- 14:43Speaker 3: Ospreay at WrestleDream. I'm sure. What was that?
- 14:51Speaker 2: I said, who wouldn't be happy to see that match?
- 14:54Speaker 3: Right, yeah.
- 14:56Speaker 8: I mean, you must not be a wrestling fan if
- 15:00Speaker 8: that match doesn't get you excited.
- 15:03Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I mean, Okada's, I mean, he's damn good.
- 15:09Speaker 3: And we all know Ospreay's good. And if they do
- 15:12Speaker 3: this right, man.
- 15:16Speaker 4: Well, and those two just have such amazing chemistry in
- 15:20Speaker 4: the ring together.
- 15:21Speaker 2: I've said for a while, that at this later stage
- 15:24Speaker 2: in his career, Okada is pretty much phoning it in,
- 15:28Speaker 2: but Okada phoning it in is better than a lot
- 15:31Speaker 2: of wrestlers trying.
- 15:33Speaker 3: I don't like the term phoning it in with Okada.
- 15:36Speaker 3: I think that Okada is out there simply, he's earned
- 15:39Speaker 3: to do what he wants to do, and I think
- 15:43Speaker 3: what he wants to do is have a boatload of fun.
- 15:46Speaker 4: Yeah, and Okada always shows up for the big matches, like.
- 15:53Speaker 7: You know, he may on TV kind of hold back
- 15:57Speaker 7: a little bit, but even then I wouldn't call it
- 15:59Speaker 7: phoning it in. But when it comes pay-per-view time or
- 16:03Speaker 7: big show time, you know, you can depend on him.
- 16:07Speaker 4: You're getting the Rainmaker. You're getting a four-star match minimum.
- 16:13Speaker 6: I definitely agree.
- 16:15Speaker 8: Another thing I would add in, I think a lot
- 16:18Speaker 8: of Okada's AEW runners just been transitioning. I think when
- 16:23Speaker 8: it's time for Okada to be on the top, he'll
- 16:26Speaker 8: be able to cut full-fledged promos in English.
- 16:30Speaker 6: His confidence will be there.
- 16:32Speaker 8: I think a lot of this was just finding his
- 16:35Speaker 8: groove in this style of industry. But I don't think
- 16:39Speaker 8: he's laid anything down. I think if anything, he's kept
- 16:42Speaker 8: himself fresh for when it's that time.
- 16:44Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. Look, I don't remember where
- 16:47Speaker 3: it was because I posted it quite a bit. I
- 16:49Speaker 3: posted a short video of Okada versus Mark Briscoe, where
- 16:54Speaker 3: Mark Briscoe bit Okada's finger after Okada flipped the crowd off. And,
- 17:00Speaker 3: of course, Briscoe bit him with the middle part of
- 17:04Speaker 3: his mouth where he doesn't have any teeth, and it
- 17:07Speaker 3: did nothing to Okada. And then he moved it over
- 17:10Speaker 3: to his molars and chomped down, and Okada screamed. And
- 17:14Speaker 3: it was funny. It was meant to be funny, and
- 17:17Speaker 3: it was funny. But people on social media, at least
- 17:20Speaker 3: one person I saw, said, look what Okada has been
- 17:22Speaker 3: reduced to. Do you think Tony Khan told Okada to
- 17:26Speaker 3: do that? No, this is something that Mark Briscoe and
- 17:29Speaker 3: Okada did. Again, Okada has earned a right to be
- 17:34Speaker 3: goofy or whatever the hell he wants. If Okada wants
- 17:37Speaker 3: to have a bloodbath match, he's going to have a
- 17:39Speaker 3: bloodbath match. He earned it.
- 17:42Speaker 4: Okada has always been... goofy like I mean there was
- 17:46Speaker 4: a time in New Japan where he was carrying around
- 17:49Speaker 4: balloons and dyed his hair Kool-Aid red for no reason
- 17:53Speaker 4: at all and was just it's like what are you
- 17:57Speaker 4: doing he's had all he's done goofy he used to
- 18:01Speaker 4: do a springboard arm bar or a forearm and yell
- 18:05Speaker 4: Scooby Dooby Doo.
- 18:09Speaker 2: Yeah I saw somebody I saw somebody say once that
- 18:13Speaker 2: Okada is a comedy wrestler cursed to be the greatest
- 18:17Speaker 2: wrestler alive. It is!
- 18:21Speaker 4: There's a reason he loves teaming with Toru Yano.
- 18:25Speaker 6: Oh boy.
- 18:25Speaker 4: Right.
- 18:26Speaker 3: Right.
- 18:27Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 18:27Speaker 3: Well, I've always said that Okada, you know, in his
- 18:30Speaker 3: AEW run, Okada's a walking meme. You can take any
- 18:34Speaker 3: picture of Okada and put it in a meme and
- 18:36Speaker 3: it works.
- 18:37Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 18:40Speaker 4: This red dirt is just the best thing ever.
- 18:44Speaker 3: I just want to take him home and cuddle with him.
- 18:46Speaker 3: I mean, I want to feel that aura.
- 18:51Speaker 4: You know?
- 18:53Speaker 6: Not the aura.
- 18:54Speaker 8: One thing I would say is I think Okada came
- 18:59Speaker 8: out here in like a lose-lose, which means if he
- 19:03Speaker 8: came out here and just was the rainmaker, the best
- 19:06Speaker 8: wrestler in the world, they would say he can't cut promos.
- 19:09Speaker 6: He doesn't.
- 19:10Speaker 8: He can't talk. He's not doing anything with a microphone.
- 19:14Speaker 8: And now that he's showing personality, they're saying, oh, he
- 19:18Speaker 8: isn't the same wrestler. I just have a funny feeling
- 19:22Speaker 8: once he puts it all together, we're going to get
- 19:26Speaker 8: the best of both worlds.
- 19:27Speaker 3: Yeah. If Ciampa does win this match, it'll be interesting
- 19:31Speaker 3: to see who he, you know, who's his challenger. But
- 19:36Speaker 3: by the same token, it's the same thing with Okada.
- 19:38Speaker 3: Who's his challenger? Well, Fletcher.
- 19:41Speaker 2: Sorry.
- 19:44Speaker 4: Exactly.
- 19:44Speaker 2: Yeah, Kyle Fletcher.
- 19:45Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe. I wouldn't mind Mike Bailey.
- 19:50Speaker 10: Also.
- 19:50Speaker 8: He definitely needs to be pushed into some titles pitches soon.
- 19:55Speaker 3: Yeah, well, anyway, let's move on because Jess alluded to
- 20:00Speaker 3: this match earlier. It's going to be Willow Nightingale versus Tecla.
- 20:04Speaker 3: The winner of this match gets the AEW Women's World
- 20:08Speaker 3: title shot. at WrestleDream. One thing that I wanted to
- 20:12Speaker 3: bring up is that even say, just hypothetically, let's say
- 20:15Speaker 3: that Willow loses this match. She is the former AEW
- 20:18Speaker 3: world champion who did not exercise her rematch clause. So
- 20:25Speaker 3: she could possibly insert herself in this match. There's a
- 20:28Speaker 3: lot of people saying that they think that the WrestleDream
- 20:30Speaker 3: match may be a three-way. I hate that idea. I
- 20:35Speaker 3: really do. I hate it too. Willow Nightingale got her
- 20:38Speaker 3: one-on-one with Mercedes Monet. Tecla should get a one-on-one with
- 20:41Speaker 3: Mercedes Monet.
- 20:45Speaker 7: I have convinced myself that this match was going to
- 20:50Speaker 7: be the triple threat match. And you have Willow, or
- 20:56Speaker 7: you have Mercedes pin Willow, and then you get Tecla
- 21:00Speaker 7: versus Mercedes at WrestleDream.
- 21:04Speaker 4: So, obviously, you can guess who I am. think he's
- 21:07Speaker 4: going to win.
- 21:09Speaker 3: So you think Tackler's going to win? What about everybody else?
- 21:16Speaker 8: I got a kind of a double opinion, but I
- 21:19Speaker 8: believe Willow's going to win this match.
- 21:21Speaker 6: But I.
- 21:24Speaker 8: Still do believe there's a possibility this does end up
- 21:29Speaker 8: being a three-way. Mercedes decides to clear herself. I guess
- 21:34Speaker 8: we'll see kind of how this week goes. But I
- 21:37Speaker 8: think this is an opportunity to debut someone, and not
- 21:42Speaker 8: even for the title picture, to just have a good
- 21:44Speaker 8: feud after this match.
- 21:46Speaker 6: But Willow's the winner I'm picking.
- 21:49Speaker 3: Well, when you say debut someone, Miz, who are you
- 21:51Speaker 3: talking about?
- 21:53Speaker 8: I think that you could, even with Willow winning, I
- 21:57Speaker 8: think you can debut Kyrie here. for a Tekla feud
- 22:02Speaker 8: going forward, which would be a top-tier feud right under
- 22:07Speaker 8: the belt, which means, you know, one of them would
- 22:09Speaker 8: be going up, probably Tekla, but one of them would
- 22:13Speaker 8: be coming right back for a title shot after. But
- 22:16Speaker 8: I think this is a Kairi spot to debut because
- 22:19Speaker 8: if she does sign a dual contract, that means that
- 22:23Speaker 8: she could have a problem with Tekla solely based on stardom.
- 22:28Speaker 3: That's true. Don't forget, also, Mara Sade, and a lot
- 22:33Speaker 3: of people were speculating that she would join Mercedes Monet
- 22:39Speaker 3: and be Mercedes Monet's, like, partner or faction mate or whatever.
- 22:43Speaker 6: I would love it.
- 22:45Speaker 3: You know, because FIFO is reporting that she is signed
- 22:49Speaker 3: with AEW, and according to she... Yeah, she outed herself. Yeah,
- 22:54Speaker 3: she outed herself on social media, saying so, basically.
- 22:58Speaker 4: So.
- 23:00Speaker 3: because she put as seen on AEW in one of
- 23:03Speaker 3: her social media graphics and I immediately went back because
- 23:07Speaker 3: she was Jakara Jackson in WWE and I immediately went
- 23:11Speaker 3: back to see if maybe back in the dark days
- 23:15Speaker 3: if she had performed in AEW or even ROH in
- 23:20Speaker 3: the early days you know that Tony Khan bought it
- 23:23Speaker 3: and no she has never appeared in either ROH or
- 23:26Speaker 3: AEW so yeah she outed herself.
- 23:29Speaker 8: Yeah, she's a full-fledged product of this system. She's only been,
- 23:34Speaker 8: I believe, in the WWE, that system, that's it, other
- 23:38Speaker 8: than since she left.
- 23:39Speaker 6: So, yeah, she did. She gave a thumbs up to AEW.
- 23:43Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm going to be honest with you,
- 23:47Speaker 3: and I said this before, I absolutely hated the fact
- 23:51Speaker 3: that Willow Nightingale was in that match at All In
- 23:54Speaker 3: against Mercedes.
- 23:56Speaker 4: I agree.
- 23:57Speaker 6: Because it was taken from somebody.
- 23:59Speaker 3: You know, I mean, Tecla put that division on her
- 24:03Speaker 3: back and ran with it. And then at the biggest
- 24:05Speaker 3: show of the year, she was reduced to drinking and
- 24:08Speaker 3: standing on an announcer's table. Now, don't get me wrong.
- 24:12Speaker 3: She may have had prior commitments that A.W. knew about
- 24:15Speaker 3: well in advance. And, you know, maybe in February, A.W.
- 24:20Speaker 3: knew that Tecla wasn't going to be available for all in.
- 24:23Speaker 3: It's just that that was just the wrong match. Willow Nightingale.
- 24:30Speaker 3: As I put the live chat, whenever she shows up,
- 24:32Speaker 3: I just put boo.
- 24:34Speaker 8: I am.
- 24:35Speaker 3: I'm a fan of Willow Nightingale. I am 100 percent,
- 24:39Speaker 3: 100 percent sick of seeing Willow Nightingale, you know, because
- 24:44Speaker 3: she's getting pushes for no reason whatsoever. And it just
- 24:47Speaker 3: bothers me. I want to see somebody else get a shot.
- 24:50Speaker 3: The A.W. Women's Division is stacked. It's stacked. Let somebody
- 24:55Speaker 3: new get a shot. We can't just keep going Mercedes, Willow, Tecla, Mercedes, Willow, Tecla.
- 25:04Speaker 3: It's the same way you can't just keep going Will Osprey,
- 25:07Speaker 3: Jon Moxley, Jon Moxley, Will Osprey. I want to see
- 25:11Speaker 3: something new. I want to see somebody else get a chance.
- 25:15Speaker 8: I think something that hurt Willow, and I could be wrong.
- 25:20Speaker 8: You guys let me know if I'm mistaken. I think
- 25:23Speaker 8: the way that her TBS title run ended, then the
- 25:28Speaker 8: way she got boosted up from there, it just didn't
- 25:34Speaker 8: feel right. It seemed like even I think there was
- 25:39Speaker 8: a promo cut on her that she tricked her way
- 25:43Speaker 8: to a title shot.
- 25:44Speaker 6: It just seemed a little sketchy.
- 25:46Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm going to say something really controversial here. Saturday
- 25:50Speaker 3: night on Collision, Zeta Steele, Who did she wrestle? I've
- 25:55Speaker 3: drawn a blank.
- 25:56Speaker 6: Tecla.
- 25:58Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that's right, Tecla. And during that match, in
- 26:01Speaker 3: the chat on the AEW Fan Hub subreddit, I said,
- 26:04Speaker 3: this just might be the best women's wrestling match on
- 26:10Speaker 3: TV that I've seen in a long time. Zeta Steel's
- 26:14Speaker 3: 22 years old. She's going to be a superstar.
- 26:18Speaker 6: She's incredible. Yes, she is.
- 26:19Speaker 3: The way that it's weird is that she's a natural heel,
- 26:24Speaker 3: but she's been a babyface in both ROH and AEW.
- 26:28Speaker 3: That's a little disconcerting, because I did notice her back
- 26:31Speaker 3: when she was in the indies. And she's really good
- 26:36Speaker 3: as hell. She's really good on the mic. She really is. So,
- 26:44Speaker 3: let's get back to this match. The What are the
- 26:47Speaker 3: picks here?
- 26:48Speaker 5: It's Tekla for me all the way.
- 26:51Speaker 3: All the way.
- 26:52Speaker 5: I have nothing to say except that I agree with
- 26:55Speaker 5: one of them. I think it's Mob about the transitional
- 27:00Speaker 5: thing with Willow.
- 27:01Speaker 1: I mean, the way she left, she's supposedly injured. She's
- 27:08Speaker 1: coming back in the beginning of July. She's winning the gauntlet.
- 27:12Speaker 2: She goes to Montreal.
- 27:13Speaker 1: And I see her win when I wanted Tekla to win.
- 27:16Speaker 1: and go to All In and face Mercedes was like,
- 27:19Speaker 1: what the hell is that?
- 27:20Speaker 5: So she got an incredible match at All In, don't
- 27:23Speaker 5: get me wrong, but no.
- 27:25Speaker 4: It's Tecla.
- 27:27Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I love Willow, but enough
- 27:32Speaker 2: is enough. But let somebody else have it for me.
- 27:38Speaker 8: I feel like that match should have been marinated and
- 27:42Speaker 8: relived down the road because we know the history with
- 27:45Speaker 8: the two. It's already kind of set in, you know,
- 27:48Speaker 8: Mercedes coming to AEW from the New Japan match to AEW.
- 27:53Speaker 8: It all adds up, but I think we're all in
- 27:55Speaker 8: agreement that Tecla deserved that shot versus Mercedes, and Willow
- 28:00Speaker 8: should have been later down the road.
- 28:02Speaker 7: For sure, and Tecla wins, and You know, they say
- 28:07Speaker 7: absence makes the heart grow fonder.
- 28:10Speaker 4: I think Willow needs just a little time away. Not
- 28:13Speaker 4: like it needs to be gone for, you know, six
- 28:17Speaker 4: months or something, but a month off, you know, just
- 28:22Speaker 4: after the loss.
- 28:23Speaker 3: I think it.
- 28:24Speaker 4: Would help with, you know, some people feeling like, okay,
- 28:29Speaker 4: we've had enough. Like, we want different people. Like, let
- 28:33Speaker 4: her take some time away. come back, you know, fresh
- 28:37Speaker 4: and all that good stuff.
- 28:38Speaker 2: And she needs to.
- 28:39Speaker 1: Yeah, she needs to take care of her hand, her
- 28:43Speaker 1: broken hand.
- 28:45Speaker 3: Yeah, well, look, the way I look at it is this,
- 28:47Speaker 3: and I don't want to presume to speak for everybody,
- 28:49Speaker 3: so please, if you disagree with me, jump right in.
- 28:52Speaker 3: But I think we all like Willow.
- 28:54Speaker 6: Yeah, of course.
- 28:55Speaker 3: I think it is just a simple fact is that
- 28:59Speaker 3: she's done nothing to make us dislike her. It's the
- 29:03Speaker 3: booking that she's been getting. that has made me, at least,
- 29:08Speaker 3: kind of sick of her. I don't think that she
- 29:11Speaker 3: needs to take two, three, four months off or whatever.
- 29:14Speaker 3: I think what she needs to do is do what
- 29:17Speaker 3: most wrestlers do, is that you have a feud that's
- 29:21Speaker 3: a non-title feud. And what better time to do it
- 29:25Speaker 3: than now? Because Blood & Guts is coming up in November.
- 29:28Speaker 6: That's right. Yeah.
- 29:31Speaker 8: I have one question for everyone, actually. And this just
- 29:36Speaker 8: kind of goes into what everyone's saying a little bit,
- 29:40Speaker 8: but I'm not sure if you thought about.
- 29:41Speaker 6: It this way. Is Willow a better chaser than a holder?
- 29:45Speaker 5: Chaser.
- 29:47Speaker 8: Because I think in my mind, Willow's the one you
- 29:51Speaker 8: want to cheer for, but when she gets there, it's
- 29:55Speaker 8: kind of like it changes things a little bit. It's
- 29:58Speaker 8: like I almost feel like It's the Cody effect. It's
- 30:01Speaker 8: like the chase is better than the run.
- 30:03Speaker 3: Well, you could also call it the Hangman Adam Page effect.
- 30:07Speaker 6: Or that.
- 30:07Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
- 30:08Speaker 2: Or that. That's actually true of a lot of faces.
- 30:12Speaker 4: True. As I say, the money is in the chase.
- 30:14Speaker 4: You don't... You know, traditionally, you didn't see a lot
- 30:18Speaker 4: of long face championship run. You would see a longer
- 30:24Speaker 4: heel run.
- 30:24Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 30:26Speaker 4: Because people are more interested in coming to see a
- 30:32Speaker 4: bad guy hopefully get beat than they are seeing a
- 30:38Speaker 4: good guy beat down another person they don't really believe
- 30:44Speaker 4: is going to challenge him that much.
- 30:47Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Like, look, when I was growing up, you know,
- 30:50Speaker 3: with the Dark Ages... you know, when my buddy Jesus,
- 30:53Speaker 3: you know, was wandering around. During the wrestling matches, it
- 30:59Speaker 3: was not uncommon to see guys like Ole and Gene
- 31:03Speaker 3: Anderson hold on to the tag team titles as horrible
- 31:08Speaker 3: heels for months and months and months at a time.
- 31:11Speaker 3: And you would root for somebody like Dusty Rhodes and
- 31:16Speaker 3: whoever his partner was to beat them. And eventually they would.
- 31:20Speaker 3: But they would keep those titles for maybe two weeks
- 31:23Speaker 3: and then drop them again. Wrestling is built on the chase,
- 31:28Speaker 3: not the faces holding the belts. And it's been that
- 31:31Speaker 3: way for a long time.
- 31:33Speaker 2: I was going to say, it goes back to pretty
- 31:39Speaker 2: much all forms of storytelling. The most basic story you
- 31:43Speaker 2: can imagine is there's an evil king or emperor or
- 31:47Speaker 2: general or some evil guy in power. who is defeated
- 31:52Speaker 2: by the hero, and they lived happily ever after. It's
- 31:56Speaker 2: not usually told the other way around.
- 32:00Speaker 3: Right. Well, unfortunately, in the world of professional wrestling, like
- 32:04Speaker 3: I said, it's been this way for a long time,
- 32:06Speaker 3: the heels are the superstars, because they're the ones that
- 32:10Speaker 3: have the glory. It's really bad, you know, when you
- 32:14Speaker 3: think about it. It's really, if you have children watching this,
- 32:18Speaker 3: like your family, It's a really bad lesson to teach
- 32:22Speaker 3: your kids because the Eagles generally do get the glory,
- 32:25Speaker 3: you know, so whatever. Well, let's move on because we've
- 32:29Speaker 3: got several more matches to go on. And we're actually
- 32:31Speaker 3: going to talk about a dynamite match because you've got
- 32:35Speaker 3: Swerve Strickland in the new level, the new deal, as
- 32:39Speaker 3: I like to call them, against the demand. And the
- 32:43Speaker 3: winner of this match will be the AEW World Trios champion,
- 32:48Speaker 3: And the winner of this match will go on to
- 32:51Speaker 3: All Out to defend that AEW Worlds Trios Championship. And
- 32:56Speaker 3: we're going to get to that match at All Out
- 33:00Speaker 3: in our next segment. But right now, what I want
- 33:03Speaker 3: to focus on is who wins this match between Swear
- 33:07Speaker 3: Strickland and the new level. I almost said New Deal again.
- 33:12Speaker 3: And the demand.
- 33:14Speaker 4: When you're in demand, you get to make demands. and
- 33:19Speaker 4: I would like to demand wins, but I know it
- 33:24Speaker 4: probably isn't going to happen.
- 33:25Speaker 3: That almost made sense. Go ahead, Miz.
- 33:28Speaker 8: Double down with you. Maybe this is just a want,
- 33:33Speaker 8: but I think that the demand should probably win this,
- 33:38Speaker 8: and we should get the new level to the tag
- 33:42Speaker 8: division where they're supposed to be. It's a nice little booster. But,
- 33:48Speaker 8: I mean, I think send those titles back to Ricochet
- 33:52Speaker 8: and the demand would be the better move.
- 33:54Speaker 2: Ladies? And that sounds about right. I see the demand,
- 34:03Speaker 2: the new level and Swerve holding on a little bit longer,
- 34:07Speaker 2: but it shouldn't be too much longer because, yeah, we've
- 34:10Speaker 2: got to move the new level onto the tag division
- 34:13Speaker 2: where they should be.
- 34:13Speaker 4: Right. Val?
- 34:16Speaker 11: I'd swerve a new level, retaining and go on to
- 34:20Speaker 11: face Brodito and Hangman. And we're going to talk about
- 34:25Speaker 11: after the match.
- 34:27Speaker 3: You know, I'm kind of in a conundrum here because
- 34:29Speaker 3: on one hand, as I said earlier, let's build new stars. Well,
- 34:34Speaker 3: Ricochet is definitely not a new star. The Gates of
- 34:37Speaker 3: Agony are definitely not a new stars, but together they
- 34:39Speaker 3: kind of are new. So why not build them up
- 34:43Speaker 3: and give them the win? But by the same token,
- 34:46Speaker 3: when you look at All Out, Swerve Strickland and the
- 34:49Speaker 3: new level against Hangman Adam Page and Brodito would be
- 34:54Speaker 3: a money match, much more than the demand against Hangman
- 35:00Speaker 3: Adam Page and Brodito. So based on that, I got
- 35:04Speaker 3: to go with the match I think people want to see,
- 35:06Speaker 3: and that's Swerve and the new level against Hangman and Brodita.
- 35:11Speaker 4: Amen.
- 35:13Speaker 2: Also, while we're on the subject, is it just me,
- 35:16Speaker 2: or has Rico been slipping promo-wise lately? I don't know
- 35:23Speaker 2: if something's up with him, but his last couple promos
- 35:26Speaker 2: that I've heard of have been kind of.
- 35:29Speaker 12: I think that comes down to, Jess, what it comes
- 35:32Speaker 12: down to is that Ricochet is a better solo artist
- 35:38Speaker 12: promo than he.
- 35:39Speaker 3: Is in a team. And somebody needs a mute because
- 35:42Speaker 3: we're getting all kinds of echoes. So that's my opinion,
- 35:46Speaker 3: is that I think Ricochet is just a better solo promo.
- 35:50Speaker 3: Let's move on to the actual match over at All Out. Again,
- 35:54Speaker 3: the winner of Swore Strickland and the new level against
- 35:57Speaker 3: The Man will battle against Hangman, Adam Page, and Brodito.
- 36:01Speaker 3: Are we going to have a new AEW World Trios
- 36:06Speaker 3: champion after All Out?
- 36:08Speaker 6: No.
- 36:08Speaker 3: You still think that Swerves and the new level are
- 36:12Speaker 3: going to retain? Yes.
- 36:13Speaker 5: And I'm making a prediction.
- 36:16Speaker 3: Go for it.
- 36:17Speaker 1: I'm predicting Kenny's coming back, and he's going to challenge
- 36:20Speaker 1: for the trios with the Young Bucks.
- 36:23Speaker 3: Okay. You have to work Kenny in there somewhere. Bravo
- 36:27Speaker 3: to you.
- 36:28Speaker 2: It's the only time I'm going to say his name tonight.
- 36:32Speaker 3: For those that don't know, I mean, Val's... social media
- 36:37Speaker 3: name is Miss Omega fan 43. Uh, and my favorite.
- 36:42Speaker 3: And so she has, uh, a long history of, we
- 36:48Speaker 3: used to have a guy to use for whatever reason
- 36:50Speaker 3: used to love Ricky Starks. And, uh, and he used
- 36:55Speaker 3: to bring up Ricky Starks. We could be talking about
- 36:57Speaker 3: a women's match and he would bring up Ricky Starks
- 37:00Speaker 3: and be like, what the hell does Ricky Starks have
- 37:02Speaker 3: to do with the match between Julia Hart sky blue?
- 37:06Speaker 6: I know you know the Ricochet. Ricochet has a fan
- 37:09Speaker 6: that does that, too.
- 37:10Speaker 4: Speaking of women's matches, you know who really needs a match?
- 37:14Speaker 4: Mina Shirakawa.
- 37:15Speaker 3: Jeez.
- 37:17Speaker 2: I mean, we all have our quirks. I knew a
- 37:20Speaker 2: guy once who was a huge fan of world-famous Lord Yoshitatsu.
- 37:25Speaker 4: Oh, God.
- 37:25Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
- 37:29Speaker 4: We don't talk about okay but.
- 37:31Speaker 10: The reason why i brought kenny up is that i
- 37:34Speaker 10: read online that he will come back and he wants
- 37:38Speaker 10: to work with.
- 37:41Speaker 5: Um kofi and austin for a very very long time
- 37:46Speaker 5: so This is what we wanted to see.
- 37:50Speaker 10: And I'm crossing my fingers that it's happening very, very.
- 37:54Speaker 6: Very soon. I respect that.
- 37:56Speaker 8: I have a little bit of a different twist on this.
- 38:01Speaker 8: And it's a little bit of the reason why I
- 38:03Speaker 8: think that. Because all that could still happen with the
- 38:07Speaker 8: Elite in the new era, however they want to do that.
- 38:10Speaker 8: But in my gut, it's telling me that Ricochet and
- 38:15Speaker 8: them obviously win the other match. And I think that
- 38:18Speaker 8: they're going to retain it all out because I'm thinking
- 38:21Speaker 8: that Buddy Matthews is going to return and cost them
- 38:24Speaker 8: the match via maybe attacking one of Brody's new friends.
- 38:30Speaker 3: That makes sense. Yeah. So you think Buddy Matthews is
- 38:35Speaker 3: coming back as a heel?
- 38:38Speaker 8: Not necessarily a heel, but at least an angry friend
- 38:43Speaker 8: because your friend is now running around with other people.
- 38:48Speaker 8: Might come off as a hail the first night, but,
- 38:51Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know if he'll necessarily be full-fledged hail,
- 38:55Speaker 8: but I think that is going to cause friction. I mean,
- 38:58Speaker 8: it's something they need to, to me, just my opinion,
- 39:02Speaker 8: there needs to be a spark with Brody over there.
- 39:05Speaker 8: It's just getting, it's dull to me. Like, the Brodito
- 39:08Speaker 8: kind of ran its course. I didn't really understand the hangman.
- 39:13Speaker 6: Part, so.
- 39:15Speaker 8: I feel like Buddy returning right now will cause a
- 39:18Speaker 8: lot of intrigue right there. And I think it's better
- 39:21Speaker 8: to have Ricochet in them with the titles because I
- 39:23Speaker 8: don't see Hangman with Brodito as a trio to me.
- 39:27Speaker 8: Hangman's a solo guy. I don't like it.
- 39:31Speaker 3: You know, I do have to say something. I love
- 39:34Speaker 3: me some Buddy Matthews. I think he's terrific. I could
- 39:37Speaker 3: watch him wrestle all the time. His style is exactly
- 39:41Speaker 3: what I like. He's a brawler, but he's super athletic
- 39:45Speaker 3: as well.
- 39:45Speaker 4: Yeah, he is.
- 39:47Speaker 8: And for anyone that wants to learn how to do
- 39:49Speaker 8: leg kicks, they could learn something. I mean, leg slaps
- 39:52Speaker 8: or thigh slaps, which is so annoying nowadays. But if
- 39:56Speaker 8: you want to do them good, look at Buddy. He
- 39:58Speaker 8: could do them good.
- 39:59Speaker 3: All right. Well, let's move on because we're running a
- 40:03Speaker 3: little short on time. And we still got four matches
- 40:06Speaker 3: to go. For the AEW National Championship, Andrade Alidolo, the
- 40:11Speaker 3: champion defending against Pac. I'm interested to hear what you
- 40:14Speaker 3: guys have to say about this match.
- 40:16Speaker 2: No way. Andrade's way too hot right now. I'm sorry, Pac,
- 40:23Speaker 2: but you're not going over Andrade tonight. And by tonight,
- 40:28Speaker 2: I mean at all hours.
- 40:28Speaker 3: Well, don't forget, Jess, that Andrade still has the contract
- 40:33Speaker 3: for the AEW World Championship, which I would definitely love
- 40:39Speaker 3: to see Will Ospreay and Andrade, but I don't want
- 40:43Speaker 3: that to happen anytime soon. But I think to make
- 40:47Speaker 3: it viable, I think Andrade does have to lose the
- 40:50Speaker 3: AEW National Championship before he goes after the AEW World Championship.
- 40:55Speaker 3: I really do believe that.
- 40:56Speaker 2: Why not Andrade Two Belt?
- 40:58Speaker 3: Well, if anybody knows me from this podcast, I hate
- 41:04Speaker 3: when somebody is carrying around two belts.
- 41:07Speaker 6: Yep, because you can only focus on one.
- 41:09Speaker 3: Right. Plus, we got it. AEW has a stacked roster.
- 41:14Speaker 3: There's no reason for one wrestler to have two belts.
- 41:19Speaker 6: I would agree.
- 41:20Speaker 3: Don't even get me started on wrestlers that carry three belts.
- 41:26Speaker 6: What about 10?
- 41:27Speaker 2: Yeah, what about like Mercedes 15 belt?
- 41:31Speaker 3: Well, that's different because for the most part she was
- 41:34Speaker 3: carrying she wasn't carrying two AEW belts at any one time.
- 41:39Speaker 3: She was carrying belts from Austria, Italy, you know, England
- 41:46Speaker 3: or the UK.
- 41:47Speaker 4: Mexico.
- 41:49Speaker 3: You know, I don't have a problem with that. I'm
- 41:50Speaker 3: talking specifically about I don't want Andrade or anybody to
- 41:54Speaker 3: be carrying around two AEW belts. I just think that's
- 41:57Speaker 3: a waste of the roster.
- 42:01Speaker 2: I know what you meant. I was just being difficult.
- 42:05Speaker 8: Well, I'll be quick with this one. Hayter had to
- 42:10Speaker 8: be Parker. I mean, he's one of those dudes. He's
- 42:14Speaker 8: super impressive. It's just I don't know if he's somehow
- 42:17Speaker 8: hit his ceiling. But no way Andrade loses this match.
- 42:23Speaker 8: I'm going to go with Andrade.
- 42:24Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going with Andrade too. And I'm going to
- 42:27Speaker 4: make a bold call. Match of the night.
- 42:30Speaker 3: Really? Really? I don't know why.
- 42:34Speaker 4: I just have a feeling these two are going to
- 42:37Speaker 4: go absolutely insane for about 17 to 22 minutes and
- 42:43Speaker 4: just have a classic.
- 42:47Speaker 2: I would ask a question, but I know Kelson hates
- 42:50Speaker 2: it when I do that, so I won't.
- 42:52Speaker 4: How you know?
- 42:53Speaker 3: How you know?
- 42:57Speaker 4: Oh, I could be completely wrong.
- 42:59Speaker 6: Yeah, but you could be completely right.
- 43:03Speaker 3: You could be.
- 43:04Speaker 4: It has happened once, twice, 973,000 times.
- 43:09Speaker 3: We used to have a guy on our podcast that
- 43:11Speaker 3: used to predict the women's matches. And I'm not kidding you.
- 43:15Speaker 3: I am not joking with you. It didn't matter. I
- 43:18Speaker 3: don't know. He had a talent. It didn't matter if
- 43:20Speaker 3: it was Rampage, Dynamite, Collision, or a pay-per-view. Whoever he
- 43:25Speaker 3: said was going to win lost on a women's match.
- 43:28Speaker 3: You could go on DraftKings. You could have been a
- 43:31Speaker 3: millionaire based on it. He never got it right.
- 43:34Speaker 2: He was anti-psychic.
- 43:35Speaker 4: Okay.
- 43:36Speaker 3: How can you miss every single women's match? Just unbelievable.
- 43:43Speaker 3: It was just unbelievable. Speaking of women's matches, let's move on.
- 43:48Speaker 3: We've got the newly crowned AW Women's World Tag Team Championships.
- 43:55Speaker 3: The champions, the Brawling Birds, going against the old or
- 44:00Speaker 3: most recent World Tag Team Championships on the women's division.
- 44:05Speaker 3: divine dominion in a Chicago street fight for the AW
- 44:08Speaker 3: women's world tag team championship. Oh God, I got something
- 44:13Speaker 3: to say about this, but I want to hear what
- 44:15Speaker 3: you guys got to say first. Oh, Kelson, you're going to.
- 44:17Speaker 5: Agree with me. So divine dominion it is.
- 44:21Speaker 3: Yes.
- 44:22Speaker 2: Um, I had my cute moment with, uh, Windsor and, uh,
- 44:28Speaker 2: and will winning their championships in the same night and
- 44:31Speaker 2: having a cute little kissy moment.
- 44:34Speaker 4: Um, The moment's passed.
- 44:36Speaker 2: I like the birds, but give my giant goddess women
- 44:40Speaker 2: their titles back.
- 44:41Speaker 4: I will be rooting for Divine Dominion, but I'm predicting
- 44:45Speaker 4: the birds winning.
- 44:48Speaker 8: I'm torn on this one. I don't think Divine Dominion
- 44:53Speaker 8: should have ever lost the titles to begin with, but
- 44:58Speaker 8: the more I look at it, it's like, I don't
- 45:01Speaker 8: know if it's time yet to separate them.
- 45:03Speaker 6: Probably not. But that, you got two stars.
- 45:08Speaker 8: So, I mean, since you already took the belts off them,
- 45:11Speaker 8: I kind of would like to see them do more
- 45:14Speaker 8: singles stuff. With that being said, I'm going to say
- 45:18Speaker 8: the birds keep the titles.
- 45:20Speaker 3: I get what you're saying, Miz, but here's the thing, okay?
- 45:24Speaker 3: I like Jamie Hayter, and I like Alex Windsor. I really,
- 45:29Speaker 3: really like them. as singles wrestlers. Together as the Rolling Birds,
- 45:34Speaker 3: they are awful. They have zero chemistry. They're cringeworthy when
- 45:39Speaker 3: I watch them wrestle. They have gotten a little better,
- 45:43Speaker 3: but in no way, shape, or form did they earn
- 45:46Speaker 3: a world championship match at All In. The only reason
- 45:49Speaker 3: they got that match, and if any of you disagree
- 45:53Speaker 3: with me here, you're wrong. The only reason they got
- 45:56Speaker 3: that match is because they're from the UK. And that's
- 45:59Speaker 3: the only reason They won the championship. The other big
- 46:03Speaker 3: thing is that I agree with you, Miz, is that
- 46:07Speaker 3: I do believe Lena Cross and Megan Bain could definitely
- 46:10Speaker 3: be a force in the singles division of the women's division. Plus,
- 46:16Speaker 3: they really don't have any challenge. They went through everybody.
- 46:21Speaker 8: Yeah, that's another problem I've seen. It's like, what do
- 46:24Speaker 8: they do if they get the belts back?
- 46:26Speaker 3: But I do see if the Divine Dominion do lose
- 46:30Speaker 3: this match and the Brawling Birds go on to win,
- 46:33Speaker 3: there's two things that could happen, in my opinion. First,
- 46:37Speaker 3: the women's division in the tag team championship, the contenders
- 46:44Speaker 3: may be more plentiful because there's more women that, realistically
- 46:50Speaker 3: look like they could take on the Brawling Birds other
- 46:55Speaker 3: than the Amazons that are the Divine Dominion. Or, and
- 47:00Speaker 3: this is what I do think is going to happen, unfortunately,
- 47:04Speaker 3: if the Brawling Birds do win it, I think you're
- 47:06Speaker 3: just going to see the women's tag team championship belts
- 47:11Speaker 3: become much, much, much, much less prominent and just squandered
- 47:18Speaker 3: squash matches or something like that.
- 47:20Speaker 6: Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it.
- 47:21Speaker 8: The thing that I got to agree with you on
- 47:23Speaker 8: is kind of my thought process going into it is
- 47:27Speaker 8: not only are they obviously, I think that they just,
- 47:30Speaker 8: maybe not Jamie by herself, but just two for two.
- 47:34Speaker 8: As single wrestlers, I think they could do more on
- 47:37Speaker 8: their own than Windsor and Hayter. But like you said,
- 47:41Speaker 8: the problem is if you give Divine Dominion the bounce back,
- 47:46Speaker 8: Unless you want to throw two top women wrestlers together,
- 47:50Speaker 8: it's kind of hard to beat them. Whereas with the Byrds,
- 47:53Speaker 8: if you just decided you wanted to pull the trigger
- 47:56Speaker 8: with Sisters of Sin, you could make it believable.
- 47:59Speaker 6: If you wanted to do it with.
- 48:00Speaker 8: High End and Maya World, it's believable. It's just harder
- 48:06Speaker 8: to do that with Bane and Cross. So if that's
- 48:09Speaker 8: what we're going to see, I would just prefer not
- 48:11Speaker 8: to see that.
- 48:13Speaker 3: Honestly, Miz, if the birds won, I wouldn't be upset
- 48:17Speaker 3: to see women from CMLL or Stardom being viable contenders
- 48:21Speaker 3: and actually winning it.
- 48:22Speaker 6: Agreed. Agreed.
- 48:23Speaker 3: So anybody else with thoughts on this match? Because this
- 48:27Speaker 3: match here for me, is the weakest match by a
- 48:33Speaker 3: large margin. Nobody? Okay, well, let's move on to the
- 48:37Speaker 3: next match. We've still got two more to talk about.
- 48:39Speaker 3: This one could be a fun match. A lot of
- 48:42Speaker 3: people are thinking, I've seen some people say that this
- 48:44Speaker 3: may be the match of the night. I don't particularly
- 48:46Speaker 3: think so, but I think it could be the most
- 48:48Speaker 3: fun match of the night, which is just as good,
- 48:51Speaker 3: in my opinion. AEW World Tag Team Championship three-way ladder match.
- 48:57Speaker 3: The Young Bucks against Cope and Cage. Against FTR.
- 49:03Speaker 2: Something for the sickos. Young Bucks, please.
- 49:08Speaker 3: Please, please, please. That would mean that Kenny Omega would
- 49:10Speaker 3: not be able to join the Young Bucks for a
- 49:12Speaker 3: triple for the Trios Championship. Why not? Because you don't
- 49:18Speaker 3: want these guys to be... carrying around belts. We just
- 49:21Speaker 3: discussed that, Val. Were you not paying attention?
- 49:23Speaker 2: I know. I know.
- 49:25Speaker 3: We're not double belts.
- 49:26Speaker 2: I know.
- 49:26Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. There is not a wrestler
- 49:30Speaker 3: in AEW that I want to see two AEW belts
- 49:32Speaker 3: around their waist. I think it's FTR's time, myself. Go ahead.
- 49:38Speaker 6: Look, you took the words out of my mouth.
- 49:40Speaker 8: The first thing I was going to say is I
- 49:41Speaker 8: don't think this would be the match of the night,
- 49:43Speaker 8: but it would definitely, because of everything going on with
- 49:46Speaker 8: it and the people in it, be probably the most nostalgic.
- 49:50Speaker 8: But I want to see FTR win this, so I'm
- 49:54Speaker 8: going to go with FTR. I think there's something to
- 49:57Speaker 8: be done with the Bucks in the new level on
- 50:00Speaker 8: the rise to get to the titles. And then once again,
- 50:04Speaker 8: when one of them get the titles, they could revisit it.
- 50:07Speaker 8: But I think right now, the best option would be FTR.
- 50:10Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. It's been fun. I've actually grown more
- 50:15Speaker 2: attached to Cope and Cage as tag team champions than
- 50:18Speaker 2: I thought I would. But it is FTR's time now.
- 50:23Speaker 2: This is going to be a great match. We've pretty
- 50:26Speaker 2: much been promised a TLC match with the serial numbers
- 50:29Speaker 2: filed off. I'm expecting a Sicko's Paradise for this one,
- 50:35Speaker 2: so it should be a great time.
- 50:37Speaker 4: Okay, but it's Cage and Cope, not Cope and Cage.
- 50:41Speaker 4: Get it right.
- 50:43Speaker 3: It's Cage and Cope because Cope is stupid. Let me,
- 50:48Speaker 3: you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but I could
- 50:50Speaker 3: have sworn when this match was first, when the challenge
- 50:54Speaker 3: was first made, it was a tables, ladders, and chairs match.
- 50:57Speaker 3: Now it's just a three-way ladder match. Could that be
- 51:00Speaker 3: because TLC is copyrighted?
- 51:03Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 51:05Speaker 3: That's weird.
- 51:09Speaker 6: Copyright the weirdest stuff.
- 51:12Speaker 3: Maybe that's why that's the point when they did a tables, ladders,
- 51:14Speaker 3: and chairs match in Stardom. She called it a tomato, lettuce,
- 51:18Speaker 3: and cheese match. Or she's just stupid. Because the copyright
- 51:24Speaker 3: laws in America wouldn't be anywhere near applicable in in
- 51:33Speaker 3: uh japan but in my opinion i don't know but but.
- 51:37Speaker 4: I don't know yeah.
- 51:41Speaker 3: That's the boy's you know character especially at that time
- 51:45Speaker 3: was as an unbelievable dicks so do.
- 51:49Speaker 8: You know the wwe probably trademarked it every all the
- 51:52Speaker 8: ways you could put it yeah Do.
- 51:56Speaker 2: You want to risk it with TKO's lawyer team?
- 52:00Speaker 4: I would.
- 52:03Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it is what it is. So we have,
- 52:07Speaker 3: is anybody not giving their pick? I didn't.
- 52:11Speaker 4: I'm going with the Young Bucks.
- 52:13Speaker 3: You're going with the Bucks. Okay, so Val and Chris
- 52:16Speaker 3: went with the Bucks. I went with FTR. Jess, who
- 52:20Speaker 3: did you go with?
- 52:21Speaker 6: FTR.
- 52:23Speaker 3: FDR and Miz, you went with FDR as well, didn't you?
- 52:26Speaker 3: Nobody thinks Cage and Cope are going to walk away
- 52:30Speaker 3: as champions.
- 52:32Speaker 1: No, they've been champions the whole time.
- 52:34Speaker 5: Now it's time for somebody else.
- 52:36Speaker 4: Yeah, they've had their belts long enough.
- 52:38Speaker 5: My opinion, they should have lost.
- 52:39Speaker 6: It at all.
- 52:42Speaker 8: And the Machine Guns are trying to prove themselves. So
- 52:44Speaker 8: even without the titles, they can go wrestle them. We
- 52:47Speaker 8: got to have fun without the titles.
- 52:49Speaker 3: We totally forgot about the machine guns. But let's talk
- 52:52Speaker 3: about the last match of the night. That's Darby and
- 52:55Speaker 3: Stephen Borden against Kyle Fletcher and Kevin Knight. This could be, again,
- 53:03Speaker 3: this has no title implications at all.
- 53:07Speaker 2: Yes, they do.
- 53:08Speaker 3: I don't think. They do. It's not on the graphic.
- 53:11Speaker 3: The winner gets the title shot. The winner gets a
- 53:14Speaker 3: title shot, so yeah. I thought it was, but it's
- 53:17Speaker 3: not on the graphic. But anyway, this again could be
- 53:24Speaker 3: the contender for Match of the Night, in my opinion.
- 53:27Speaker 2: Yeah, look at all those youths.
- 53:30Speaker 3: The youths, yeah.
- 53:32Speaker 8: His body's probably double his age, so I don't know
- 53:37Speaker 8: if he's a.
- 53:38Speaker 3: Youth no more. God, yeah. I mean, Darby's an old man.
- 53:43Speaker 3: He's like, what, 33, 34 now? So, I mean, this
- 53:51Speaker 3: match here, to me, it just is one of those
- 53:55Speaker 3: matches that just exudes fun, and it's a showcase for
- 53:59Speaker 3: AEW's young talent.
- 54:01Speaker 2: Yeah, but I have a little.
- 54:02Speaker 5: Problem with it. Where's Motor City Machine Guns?
- 54:06Speaker 4: Where are they?
- 54:08Speaker 10: I need to see them. I know they're in Indies
- 54:12Speaker 10: and blah, blah, blah. But why having this match when
- 54:16Speaker 10: there's other teams that could go on and be the
- 54:19Speaker 10: number one contender?
- 54:21Speaker 5: That's the problem I got.
- 54:23Speaker 3: I think the thing that happened is that they debuted
- 54:27Speaker 3: in Detroit, Val, but they had Indie bookings that they
- 54:33Speaker 3: wanted to honor. But I think the bookings end the
- 54:40Speaker 3: end of this month, if I'm not mistaken.
- 54:42Speaker 6: Okay, that's why.
- 54:44Speaker 3: So, to me, honestly, this is one of those matches
- 54:48Speaker 3: I don't care who wins. I just want to see
- 54:51Speaker 3: the match. I do have to go Kyle Fletcher and
- 54:55Speaker 3: Kevin Knight as the winners of this match, simply because
- 54:59Speaker 3: Stephen Borden got his whole career in front of him,
- 55:04Speaker 3: where Kyle Fletcher and Kevin Knight have paid their dues,
- 55:07Speaker 3: not saying that they're old. They still have their whole
- 55:09Speaker 3: career in front of them as well. But it would
- 55:12Speaker 3: just be an interesting thing to see these two have
- 55:14Speaker 3: to team up one more match for a tag team championship,
- 55:19Speaker 3: which they should lose. But, you know, I want to see,
- 55:23Speaker 3: because this is the discourse of the Don Callis family,
- 55:26Speaker 3: right in front of our eyes. Go ahead.
- 55:29Speaker 6: No, you can go. Go ahead.
- 55:34Speaker 2: No, I was just saying it kind of tickles me
- 55:36Speaker 2: comparing this match to the three-way match. Like, you have, like, three, like,
- 55:42Speaker 2: grizzled veteran teams. Like, even the young bucks at this
- 55:46Speaker 2: point are the mature adult bucks. And then you have, like,
- 55:51Speaker 2: over here is the, like I said, the youths. The
- 55:55Speaker 2: baby tag teams. And it's an interesting little dichotomy I like.
- 56:01Speaker 8: I have a few... I mean, a few opinions on
- 56:05Speaker 8: this match. One, I'd say the first thing I could say,
- 56:09Speaker 8: I think they have the ability because Borden is, I think,
- 56:14Speaker 8: probably more athletic than some people are even paying attention to.
- 56:17Speaker 8: They're kind of caught in that grease look he got
- 56:20Speaker 8: going on. But, so I do think that him with
- 56:24Speaker 8: Fletcher and Knight could do some things. So they have
- 56:27Speaker 8: the ability to maybe kind of show a little bit
- 56:31Speaker 8: more what he could do in the ring. But, As
- 56:34Speaker 8: much as I hate to say this, because I've been
- 56:36Speaker 8: an advocate of the Callis family removing people. Like, I
- 56:41Speaker 8: feel like some of these people need to get out
- 56:43Speaker 8: of the Don Callis family. And I didn't like that
- 56:47Speaker 8: Kevin Knight went into the Don Callis family to begin with.
- 56:50Speaker 8: But I think we could be looking at a Stephen
- 56:53Speaker 8: Borden heel turn here. And another member joining the Don
- 56:58Speaker 8: Callis family.
- 56:59Speaker 3: That crossed my mind, Miz, to be honest with you.
- 57:01Speaker 3: It did. And I'm just trying to squash it.
- 57:04Speaker 2: I don't like that.
- 57:06Speaker 4: It would be kind of funny considering his dad was
- 57:12Speaker 4: the guy that always got turned on. Yeah.
- 57:16Speaker 8: And it's kind of like one of those I learned
- 57:18Speaker 8: from my dad's mistakes moments.
- 57:21Speaker 6: You know?
- 57:23Speaker 8: I just kind of feel that's the way to go.
- 57:25Speaker 8: So that's what I'm going to predict. I think that
- 57:29Speaker 8: Borden joins the Callis family. As much as I would
- 57:32Speaker 8: have just rather seen Dobby defend his TNT title. Instead
- 57:36Speaker 8: of this match, I think that the purpose of this
- 57:39Speaker 8: match is to send Stephen Borden in a different direction.
- 57:43Speaker 3: You know, when Stephen Borden first debuted, I thought about that, Miz,
- 57:47Speaker 3: but here's the thing. Borden has got over with the fans,
- 57:51Speaker 3: and I do believe that putting him as a heel
- 57:55Speaker 3: in any way, shape, or form, especially with the Don
- 57:57Speaker 3: Callis family, would be a mistake.
- 57:59Speaker 6: Because he is.
- 58:04Speaker 3: He is a, you know, natural baby face.
- 58:09Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 58:09Speaker 8: I think they just made the same mistake with Kevin Knight, too.
- 58:12Speaker 8: I think they literally just made this mistake.
- 58:15Speaker 2: He's a hard problem.
- 58:17Speaker 3: Yeah. Anybody else with opinions on this match before we
- 58:21Speaker 3: wrap things up for tonight?
- 58:23Speaker 4: Well, that's Knights to Unite. I got Kyle Fletcher and
- 58:27Speaker 4: Kevin Knight winning it.
- 58:28Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have a problem. Like I said, with
- 58:31Speaker 3: this match, even though it is for a title shot,
- 58:34Speaker 3: I just want to see the match. I just think
- 58:36Speaker 3: this is going to be a great match. It's going
- 58:37Speaker 3: to be a fun match. Yeah. And I hope it's
- 58:41Speaker 3: a straight match with a straight win. I really do.
- 58:43Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 58:44Speaker 8: I would love to see what they would do, what
- 58:46Speaker 8: Borden could do with them if they just complete like
- 58:49Speaker 8: a 15, 20-minute match and let them go out there
- 58:52Speaker 8: and show something.
- 58:54Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, anyway, well, that's our show for tonight. Remember,
- 58:59Speaker 3: tomorrow night, Wednesday night, AEW Dynamite, AEW Collision is a
- 59:04Speaker 3: three-hour show. Set your DVRs and join us on our
- 59:08Speaker 3: live chat on Reddit. We're going to have a lot
- 59:11Speaker 3: of fun tomorrow night. We've got to pace ourselves, man.
- 59:14Speaker 3: These long shows starts out like a house on fire
- 59:18Speaker 3: and everybody peters out as it gets closer to 11 o'clock.
- 59:21Speaker 3: But anyway. Anyway, well, for the AEW Fan Hub Community
- 59:26Speaker 3: Podcast team, this is Kelson. Thanks for joining us. We'll
- 59:29Speaker 3: be back next Tuesday night at 8.45 Eastern Time with Ignition.
- 59:35Speaker 3: Good night, everybody.
- 59:36Speaker 8: Good night.
- 59:37Speaker 2: Good night.
- 59:39Speaker 6: Good night.