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Episode 220: Coup D'Etat (SG-A 2.17) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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Get into Gate episode two hundred and twenty two, twenty two. It's not
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quite that yet, but the Gate team is here. My name is Mitch,
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there's Brendan, there's Maddie. Holds you Hello, Hello. So with
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the French guy from last week, you could be bitch. That's what I
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was gonna say, bitch. In Jesus Christ, we're we're less than thirty
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seconds in. I'm copping a spray from the other side of the desk.
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Up a pitch, this one on a croissant um. He says, zero
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point module in French, just like the zipium. What would a French guys
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sound like in the Simpsons? And you've got a poa, it's points yes,
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nom NOMOI and then I'll probably get your way. And Brenda and I
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we're on a Kotiki tour and like every you go and you can talk English,
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and they said, look, when you go to France, they know
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that you can't speak French. But it's really rude if you don't have a
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crack, like go in there and throw it bonjour um croissant and some bloody
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YOUNGI in soup, please like have a go at. At least a couple
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of words, chuck us some frog legs for God's likes a beer? What's
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his? What warm wine? Give us a lager? Slap me on the
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Australian shorts on the way out. Wow, I just can google friends late.
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I just put it in English friends zero point module and it gave me
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module point zero. Well done, zero has a little above the e.
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Is the Internet starting to play dumb? So we stopped being worried about how
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advanced it's getting, and then all of a sudden comes self aware. Yeah,
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yeah, it's like these idiots, they just need to not even know.
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We've seen the movies. We know a little bit. Okay, seems
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you start looking like Arnold Schwartzney go where we know some shit's about to go
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down. We are here to talk about the episode called Maddie. It's French.
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Jesus, Oh, we are so ridiculous. In Trouble okay, it's
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as it reads, Taylor and Ronan find a wanted list and it's on a
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missing team member's name, along with those of Shepherd and McKay. Shepherd and
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McKay's team is taken hostage by Jenny accomplices. Their plan is to negotiate for
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Atlantis's jumper ships. Now we are must negotiate with the Jennia before it's too
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late. Finally, a bloody snopsis actually reads like a synopsis should negotiation.
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These little depds apologize. I'm slapping a d Maddie. Written by Martin Giro,
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directed by Martin Wood. I a little homework for you, Mitchell years.
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I've never done this before. I had to use a second piece of
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peppier in my notes. I wrote a synopsis for the episode for everybody.
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Oh good, yeah, okay for everybody. So you didn't do it on
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Chat two pt No, I wrote this myself, even the last week's efforts.
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You're like, no, I can do better. Being So, they
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capture Lawn's team, then create an elaborate deception with fake burnt bodies so they
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can lure more Atlantis people to the same location, correct only to not capture
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them, but let us recover the fake bodies with more people from Atlantis.
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And then they call Atlantis saying we saw you and make up an elaborate coup
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story with an empty ZPM that relies on us double crossing each other so that
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they could then capture the team they didn't capture at the start plus a couple
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of more random guys using a magic knockout gas and then use them as leverage
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for their lives in exchange for jumpers, but sends through a bunch of terminally
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ill patients, including Radiem's sister, as fake leverage so that Redeemed can double
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cross Cowan's double cross by going through with the fake coup that he made up
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earlier by using an atomic bomb hidden under the city instead of just using magic
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knockout gas that he has. What is so difficult about that? Oh?
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And all this considering the last time we saw the Juni we kind of had
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a truth of them yea, and even Weird talks about it in this episode
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because they gave they gave his nuclear weapons the last time we saw them.
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Gear what the man? What the actual that's impressive, I'm going to confuse
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them, very impressive. Is this where we bring in that line from Knives
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Out Too? It's like it's brilliant, It's just done. It's just so
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did was it anything to do with the ancient Jean in the end, because
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that was the kind of hypothesis that they're the people that got that were on
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the list or something they wanted to capture as many Atlantius people with the gene
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so that they could study them and learn their own way to make the gene,
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so that when we definitely are going to give them ten jumpers, they
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can turn them on, even though they're like nineteen twenties era technology and there's
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no way they'd actually know how to fly them, or that we'd actually give
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them to them. Or how do they know which members of the team actually
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got the ATA gene in the first place, or why did when they were
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sending the terminally ill people, why didn't they send the magic gas to knock
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everybody in Atlantis out? Yeah, and they just take and then take them.
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Yeah, that would have been good. Yeah, I think, I
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think Guiro, Yeah, that's right. The radiation. Yeah, Martin Guiro
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does sum everything up for us in the in the audio commentary. See again,
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I just felt like there's there's so much explanation required to make this script
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go. But I just feel like, I know, I like it.
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I know I like this episode a lot. It's just in the writing of
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it, it was just like, oh right, and like lines like this,
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it's like, you know, like why didn't you fall down from the
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gas like, well, I injected you with the stuff that I you know,
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I've injected myself with the stuff I was just injected you. It's just
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all those little housekeeping stuff that really sometimes, you know, as a writer
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of these episodes, you're like, you just get because bore down with day
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with dynamic dialogue. Yeah, you just want you want to have fun.
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You want to have like fun back and forth, and you just get kind
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of beaten down with the logistics of the reality of your story and making it
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clear. You know, Oh my god, my mind could Bay was that
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bullshit pop and never showed himself in the face like that. That's hilarious,
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man, he pot that I wouldn't have fun and like the writers drink coffee
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dRIT stories about Jeopardy and yeah, like your partner that with the audio you
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played a couple of weeks ago. I guess, okay, I'm I'm not
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I'm not a great writer, Like, yeah, is that him said that.
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I'm pretty sure he's self defrecating, so it makes it okay. No,
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he's so strange. Oh god, you have to like, I just
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want to come up with stuff. But then then I realized what I wrote
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was dumb. I've I've got to invent a magic gas, like a clear
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magic gas that knocks people out that you can be cured with an injection,
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and then explain to the audience how but then how does the guy not fall
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asleep? All right? Apparently created another problem. Apparently in one of his
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first drafts, the ZPM wasn't in the box, or it was in the
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box, but on top of it was a was a gas mask, and
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then the gas was going to come in, and then there was just one
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gas mask for Shepherd to put on, and then they would have had that
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conversation, and brad Wright had to be like, he's not going to have
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that conversation with him just because you gave him a gas mask. You have
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to knock him out and then tie him up and then he'll have the conversation
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with you. Mike it just can you just play that audio again and just
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just that first bit, just you just hear it in the first second.
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You just hear him go at his own writing. You know, there's a
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lot of great soundbites I will have to put up on the board from piece.
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Yeah. And then also, um, apparently now I've I've seen this
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this this episode come in in two thousand and six. I've seen it a
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lot, obviously, not not as much as the good episodes of Atlantis um
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Brendon. You've seen this episode multiple times. We'll get to Mitch's first time.
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I thought, as a minute, but I just want to unload on
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all this show. I feel like I missed this disc because I don't remember
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the last two two or three episodes. Do you remember the really the really
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crucial part stop plot pouring of all the Jedi where Cowen has an elite guard
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of Jedi in like separate outfits. Yeah, introduction of, of course,
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the elite guards, and they're different kind of costumes and stuff, the elite
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guard. So apparently when when McKay and Shepherd meet cow and like in the
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tunnel, those guys around him, they're just not normal Jeni. They're elite
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guard Jeni because they're in different outfits, but they're in the background in a
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dark tunnel where you can't actually see them, and they look no different to
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any other run of the mill Jeni. They're the ones that you had with
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the sticks and ship when they're fighting the first time we but Redeem is one
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of them. He's not an elite guard, Yeah, because I don't know
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if you remember Mitch So the main guy in this episode, Redeem, Yeah,
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he redeemed him. He was back in the Storm and the Eye.
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He was like Collier's like right hand manned guy. And then there was like
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eight points in this episode where they went, well, Collyer's dad, wing
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boy. We definitely wrote this episode this way and in no way did we
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change it because Robert Darvey was available, so we definitely didn't rewrite it with
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Redeem instead of Colia because it was supposed to be Colia the whole time.
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Even the previously on was and I don't want to, you know, jump
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straight to my thoughts. I want you guys to finish first. Yeah,
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but like the previously one was such a it was a pizza. There was
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just a bit of everything all thrown together, and it was like, how
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how was this forming a story? Because you know, you're much like Colia's
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face because you like eight seconds, Yeah, it's just a lot. And
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I'm like, well, he goes, oh, what are these things called?
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Oh the jumpers? Oh, we'd love to get my hands on them.
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And it was just like you know, the Colia, like the I
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double feature thing. I'm like oh shit, hang on, so what do
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we And then even when it when it started and I was like, have
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I hang on a second? No, I haven't missed an episode, but
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I think, god, god, damn it, this feels like this is
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picking up on a story from life last week as well. So this this
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episode of Stargate also set a record for the longest tease in Stargate history.
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Explain what pre from the opening scene until seven minutes? So originally it was
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supposed to end when six originally gonna give you your heart right up and six
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of course, I'm sorry something about Mary. Oh oh wow, I haven't
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seen that. I don't have to rewatch that when he picked up the hitchhiker
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that ends up being the serial killer. I don't remember that at all.
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And he's what's the seven minute ads? Seven minute abs? Oh yeah,
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yeah, okay, of course until someone comes up six minute abs, yo,
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six minute abs can't do anything. Six minutes now, I remember,
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now, I remember? Um? So yeah, it was supposed to end
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when like um, when shepherd like discovers the dog tags on lawn body and
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they decided not to remember that people will carry it a mitch lawn you remember
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law, But he was like he ever stated when the thing is it might
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he might be dead, and then it turns out eleven minutes into the episode
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that's not his dead body. Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought.
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I'm like, and the dog tags weren't burnt. I like, I like
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Lawn enough for him to get a send off. I actually like this.
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My thing is is My first note on this episode was, Mitch, did
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you believe Slash remember who Lawn? Yeah? That he was dead? No,
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I definitely remember who he But you know what, I might not have
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been able to put the name to the face because I feel like that was
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part of the previously on as well. It was like showing just some random
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Laurn. He's like, yes, sir, and then they just cut to
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something else. I skipped past that. Yeah, lawn mow it get it
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the lawn oh convision. Yeah, that's a weird name. I got to
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say my notes, it's a very minimal. Peter Deloise was he named because
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we were first introduced to Lawn back in Enemy Mine and uh, Peter Delowis
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named him after like a friend, a friend, Lawn Dart. Yeah.
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I mean he becomes a more pivotal role later on Good in Atlantis like him.
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But yeah, yeah, I do too. Yeah, he's it's almost
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like he's the head of SG two in a way that SG two never existed,
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because yeah, yeah, that's yeah. But also, can anyone in
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this room tell me his first name? Michael Alex I'm going to look at
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that, Lauren, get it snl brilliant. Should have done it. They
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should have done that. Yeah, Evan, apparently I'm just letting this now
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to Evan Lawn Lawn. That's four little girls and the children from my wife,
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I mean one from my children. It's French. You'll love the show.
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You'll love the show bread and just give it a chance. Like there's
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nothing funny about being a lesbian. Okay, okay, I'm sorry, so
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many funny things. Yeah yeah, no, no, no, no,
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no, we're not going to fall for that. Only prostitutes have two glasses
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of wine at lunch. Well, then buy me a bow and dry me
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to arena because I am open for business. Is that a Simpson? God,
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it must be a great chance. Oh you know what we need to
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do. Okay, I'm just Roseanne never got him set him off for a
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second moment. Every yeah, we know, we know, don't explain it.
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That's fine. Um, what I like is literally every grad that we've
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played from that show, since he introduced the audio from it here on the
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podcast, you have reacted that exact same way. I'm like, I would
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love to interview your neighbor. What is he like when he watches a forty
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two minute episode half like this? Watching the episode, it's funny to me
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because I mean, there's nothing funny about being lesbian, has nothing to do
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with this episode. I know two of the grabs. Two are the three
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that you've played, have nothing to say. Yeah, I think they're from
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the same episodes that I hope. So yeah, I'm just I am though,
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I am not even low key. I'm very impressed about the fact that
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this is a cool tie. You're like, hang on a second, how
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can I introduce a girl in seven seats? How many seasons of that show?
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With seven plus the Netflix reboot? Okay, yeah, of the eight
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seasons of that show. They said it's French once and I know which episode.
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Shit, that's impressive. Yeah, which way you slice it and dice
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it? That's very impressive. Having said that, the fact that you're just
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littering up my board here with audio that. I'm like, Oh, I
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can't wait to see what What does nothing funny mean? Two glasses? What?
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Okay? Elite guard. You know we've played that, Guiro. I
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would be very surprised if that would have been something to do with Gilmore girls,
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Guiro hostages. There's weird and Shepherd. That would be surprising. Oh
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that one that's a present for Brendan paying Attention is one as well. Oh
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you mentioned that now this is actually, um, nothing else. I forget
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who it was. But someone wrote into the podcast years ago, um as
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an addition. They referenced this episode as an addition to has Reef been paying
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attention? Because this was back I think before we even had like the good
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bits of audio for for Reese when he did get it right. Um,
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this was only when we just had ref Your father made you wrong, you
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stupid son of a bitch. Your father read you right one And yes,
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I mean you used that one on me whenever the mems. Yeah, gimmere
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girls. Um. But someone suggested this one as as a potential reward for
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Reese if he was still on the podcast. Oh that was a long con
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thank you years ago. Well done. Yeah, I think I remember that
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one coming in Hey there's a line here. M I was like, I
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don't know you, Watcher of Atlantis. So it's been that I'd forgotten about
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it. And it was only when I watched the episode and I heard it.
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I went, oh, yeah, that's right. That's why I don't
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have the name of whoever wrote it in. But whoever wrote in about it,
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you know who you are. Well, this is a shame rest Instagram
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long enough to we'll send it to him. Yeah. Yeah, we promised
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him we'd be finishing four years and it's been six. About halfway through.
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We don't understand maths. Is it seven now? Is it seven? Now?
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It will be in July? Yeah, wow, that's crazy. Sorry,
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folks shouldn't have to deal with us anymore. I've got some more stuff
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about Garo being shit if you want. Yeah, it's like, seriously,
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my notes are just plot points. Yeah, because they didn't make sense to
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me. Yeah, Like how like how when they're about to invade the shed
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thing and Shepherd goes men with stunners take point and the only person in the
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entire shot holding a stunner is McKay. Everyone else is holding like p nineties
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and stuff. Yet the next scene when they storm the building, they've all
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got stunners, like we're going to go in hard, yeah, and we
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got stunners. Don't kill anybody unless you have to. And all these military
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guys like I'm gonna have to kill someone and make sure. And they're all
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wearing clear oakleys for some reason, except for McKay and Shepherd, who are
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wearing yellow okeleys. Wow, what is that lead team? You know?
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Does that? Does that help you? Well? In the audio commentary,
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they said, apparently to the status thing, like the main characters have to
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have something slotly different, that's what they didn't all just have clear. But
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why do they have them one in the first place? Well, bullets hurt
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your eyes sometimes just when you're invading. Yeah, only when only when you
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know you're going to shoot yea yeah, yeah, they're or a shooting range.
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Yeah, but they just wear them for this episode. They've never worn
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Yeah, they never before and they never wear them ever again. A bit
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of fresh, you know, fresh drop off from the devil and what is
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the what is the lab? How does the yellow help? Does that make
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you better at stunning cases? In LCD screen? Then they can see that,
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Oh it's like that warm like when you turn your phone onto night mode
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and when you're lying in bed, don't blind. Yeah, okay, yeah,
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well I'm yeah garro shit. And again you know, Brad Wright comes
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in saves the day. Originally in the script, the whole uh terminally ill
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thing was not part of it. It was just they were hostages and call
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our account was more than willing to trade the lives of twelve Jeni for a
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puddle jumper. And Brad said, yeah. But for us, you know,
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there's a weird kind of dilemma where you know, if they're terminally ill
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and that's why he sent them, then there's this strange thing for us.
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It's like, are we helping these people to make them, you know,
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currency again or are we just helping them because that's what we do. So
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it's a really neat moral dilemma and kind of you know, additional twist in
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the last last little bit, except it wasn't a moral dilemma at any point
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at all. I did like the doctor saying, this is what we do.
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Love, Oh, why should fought to donkey normal cancer? She didn't
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believe it can't save all of you. That's the moral dilemma. Yeah,
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I can't save all of them m hm, but the twelve that came through
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fine. And then at the end they're like, We're like, yeah,
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we can save a bunch more of your people if we wanted to, if
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we wanted to, you know, if we whoever you don't kill or just
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like can you make your shielding better? Yeah, dumb asses, like we've
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told you a year ago. Yeah, hey, but I mean on the
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on the on the positive side, Taylor got a new top that's nice from
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Susanne's. Well, no, I was maybe she got it from the from
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the people from Emancipatient because it was like a little like velvet chun Lee.
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You could see a belly button. Yeah, gave me chun Ley vibes.
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Yeah right, she got a new, little, new little teal velvet top.
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I was just staring at her belly button the whole time. You gotta
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use the air quote, sunny when you when you say when you say belly
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button quotes belly But I was trying to I was trying to be lowed much
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like this episode. Yeah, we approved that she is is the planet like
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Earth's best negotiator, didn't you, because because when well after she met with
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redeem and then when talked to Um Shepherd. She's like, he's lying about
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something. Oh so good, so good. She knew she knew from the
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start something was up. So what was the point of this? Uh,
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just thinking about it from Guiros perspective. He comes in, he's sitting there,
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he's got a blank screen on his computer. He's like, all right,
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he says, Stargate episode, What am I going to do? Jen,
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I, that's something that someone else made up. I can make I
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can create this, and then I'm going to get they want puddle jumpers?
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That's the episode? Did they never want puddle jumpers before? They only ever
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want C four? Yeah, puddle jumpers in the eye where allies with them
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now? And they gave us two nukes, one of which changed shape between
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seasons. Um, we never got back to them about whether they worked or
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not because we've faked our own deaths. But suddenly now the jen I know
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that we used our puddle jumpers to deploy them, and you need magical powers
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to use them. So we're going to steal the ships that we can't fly
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and don't know how to fly yet, but we'll figure out a way because
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we're Yeah, he didn't. He's like, oh, that creates a plot
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point, but instead of backtracking yeah, he just pushes on yeah and just
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well he said tangled web and then buys it all back like obviously. It's
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like so they allude to like the the headshots, like there's the little wanted
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posters for all the people like in the town. Remember Tamber Taylor Ronan how
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they were almost in this episode m And they go to the town and then
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there's that whole really long scene in the bar where the guys like, don't
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talk to you, and then he sends his other girl to talk to him
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later and give a bag and it has headshots in it. So it's like
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the Jeni have been like hunting for these people. So it's like someone gave
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up to the Jenni that they were there. So they managed to capture Lawns
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team. But they had some pre burnt ready to go bodies. But they
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must have been freshly burnt, because otherwise, why would we believe that they
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were them? Because the girl, when she's like the doctor Chick when she's
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bringing it in at the start of the episode, says, well, I've
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only been gone like half an hour when I heard the shooting, So why
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didn't they just take Lawns Team as hostages and say we weren't jumpers. Well
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they could, they didn't need the burnt bodies, That's what I mean.
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When when they already had Lawns Team. So when Shepherd's team came, why
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didn't they just take them hostage in the exact same way they took Lawns Team
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hostage. Did they use the magic gas on them? No? Right,
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not not the ware they to believe. But they also once Shepherd's team got
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there, when it cuts back to the control room and Shepherd's explaining that too,
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we are you see like ten guys carrying them all on the stretches.
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So they all would have been taken to the planet as well, along with
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Shepd's team, because Shepherd's team would have had to have taken them and shown
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them where it was. So they took Lawn's Team and then at some point
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they would have been at least eight to ten more people on that planet in
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the same spot. They managed to get the one up on Lawn's team.
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And they have magic invisible gas that makes you sleepy. They have Cosby gas.
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They could have Cosby gassed everybody. But then the only thing Shepherd had
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to say. Later on, when he gets double cross from the double cross
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Is he says, well, Cowen, why didn't you take me and Rodney
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when we came to see you? And he's like, well, twelve are
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better than two. But he already had four and could have had twelve away
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about four minutes into the episode if he just stayed in the same area.
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Yeah, yeah, it's very he just wants to have fun, Maddie,
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leave him alone. So old mate, what's his name? The which one?
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The double Crosser, Cowen, the big guy, redeem Yeah, sorry,
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the Redeemer. Um, so he is from the get go he was
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with Cowen, like even though he was against him, but like that was,
27:33
yeah, his planned to get Cowen to where he got him to blah
27:37
blah blah. You know he always planned to double cross count Yeah yeah,
27:41
I know. But like was like when Cowen shows up in this episode in
27:47
the same place as redeem and he's like, ah, yeah, we're working
27:49
together this whole time, Like gotcha, that was planned from pre the episode.
27:55
So like him showing up because he was the only the only way he's
27:56
going to get Cowen out of his little bunk is with the you know,
28:02
the enticement of women, get some jumpers out. Yeah, it wasn't like
28:04
he was doing his own thing for his own purposes. And then along the
28:07
way he's like, hang on a second, I can speed this whole thing
28:11
up. By the way that these events have unfolded. I can use this
28:15
as as as part of my thing against Cowen and the other thing again,
28:18
because he had it. He had a nuclear bomb planted under the building the
28:22
whole time. Yeah, he has magic gas. Ye that he could have
28:26
just like sprayed in Cowen's little bunker. Yeah, and they just walked up
28:30
behind him. Gone. Yeah, because especially the net at the end of
28:33
the day, it was a bloodless coup because no one there died, Like,
28:37
oh, what's the twelve people back there don't count? And it's like,
28:41
well not if you don't know, if you're not I'm a you can
28:44
entire planet to kill twelve people. So he very much could have had a
28:48
bloodless coup. He would have just done the Cosby gas into the presidential suite.
28:53
Yeah. Yeah, but then I'm sure, I'm sure, you know,
28:57
if you give Giro enough time, like well, you know, if
29:02
if redeem was injected with that stuff that he injected Shepherd with then I'm sure
29:07
Cowen's been injected with it too, So maybe that injection just makes you permanently
29:12
immune to the Cosby gas and it's not just like a booster shot or something.
29:18
But yeah, so I think like at which point he's made Shepherd immune
29:22
to that gas from this point on ye forever' By the way, we never
29:26
see this gas ever again. Well, I mean as the first time it's
29:32
with all this all that happened, I'm like, okay, Like I was
29:33
coming in tonight and I'm like, I don't really know what we're going to
29:37
talk about this episode, Like it just sort of things happen, and but
29:40
it was listening to you guys just sort of rightly so fullward apart and go,
29:45
well this doesn't make sense. I'm like, oh, yeah, it
29:48
really doesn't. But like it just yeah, just sort of it flew on
29:52
and it's weird. It's like, you know, you hear that thing about
29:52
the there's a couple of films. I'm just trying to think what the most
29:56
recent one is, but one they always go back to say that I think
29:59
the first Indiana Jones film, right is The Lost Ark, And they say,
30:03
you watch that film that story, you take Indiana Jones out of it,
30:07
it all still happens exactly the same way. Right. You're gonna hate
30:10
where they brought that up, Mitchell. Yeah, where is it? Your
30:11
favorite show, The Big Bang Theory. Yes, but there's a more recent
30:15
film. I'm trying to think of what it was. And they said,
30:18
if you take oh, the Batman, actually Matt Reeve's Batman, they said,
30:22
if you take Batman as a character out of that story, the plan,
30:27
the Riddler's plan still goes on exactly the same way. Batman was just
30:30
sort of a passenger. Nothing he did along the way because Batman stuffed up
30:33
from the start when he when he misinterpreted the mole or whatever. Yeah,
30:38
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So like this isn't quite that.
30:41
But at the same time, this coup we're saying could have happened off
30:45
screen. Yeah, we could have caught up with the Jedi in the same
30:48
episode and go, oh yeah, um he's gone Rode, this happened,
30:55
you know what, Actually, Shepherd, we are strange, crazy thing.
30:57
I told him that I I was going to get some jumpers for you guys.
31:02
So he let me come to his palace and uh, I gassed him.
31:06
Yeah, I wouldn't believe it. He fell for it, dumb shit,
31:07
Like the plan was the same without us. It just could have happened
31:11
completely outside of the episode. We don't need to watch it. Um.
31:15
I've always thought that about the Jedi, such a boring and that was the
31:19
race that was. That was my first thought when this popped up, and
31:22
they're like, oh, it's got to do with the Jedi, and I'm
31:25
oh, I've got to kip. I keep an ear out for that now
31:27
because you guys like every time they pop up in Atlantis, because they're like
31:30
an Atlantis's version of Blah in SG one, where it's just like who can
31:36
trust? Yeah, right, So it's like, yeah, I mean I
31:40
was just now I was gonna remember, um remember Boring, Remember the guy
31:42
I remember the one of people from like twenty ten and two thousand and one.
31:45
Oh yeah, yeah, Boring Boring. They're like, they're like those
31:48
people, but at least sgu one had the sense to only make two episodes
31:52
about them. Yeah exactly. And they and they factored in like time travel
31:57
and lit around that were way more powerful. They had like cool shit.
32:00
They could turn Jupiter into a sun and cool stuff. Yeah. Yeah,
32:04
because these guys are just like shitty nineteen forties weapons. Yeah, and they
32:08
went, oh, this this episode really relies on the menacing nature and the
32:13
history we have with Robert Darvey. He's not available, so let's just push
32:16
on without him, or even the fact when when redeem shows up, you
32:20
talking a lot about the Junia and then name dropping other characters like Colia and
32:24
then Cowen and then cole Mini's just sort of there and I'm oh, cool,
32:29
I'm glad he's back, because as I'm trying to remember all the Jeni
32:32
stuff that I have already seen, I couldn't remember whether you guys said,
32:36
yeah, they don't get him back again, like that character seems to be
32:38
important, but they don't get him back. Aga. Well, so here's
32:40
the thing. So the last time we saw Cowen was in the storm when
32:46
Weir has to go at the end of season one and negotiate for the nuclear
32:52
weapons, col Minie was unavailable. Yeah, so that's why she had she
32:55
Remember she was tied up in the chair with the blind poonds. Yeah,
33:00
she was just dealing with just some other random extra they got off that episode.
33:02
So they realized that they weren't going to have Cowen as regularly as they
33:08
needed him, so they got him back for this episode to kill him.
33:15
They just killed him off screen. You never mentioned his in Next Generation.
33:19
Well, that's because he's more importantly in Deep Space nine. There you go.
33:27
Well it's um, it's actually because there's something funny that well, I
33:32
guess funnies for you guys to decide, not me. But there's a character.
33:37
There's a there's a race of characters in Star Trek called the Jenni,
33:40
and they're a genderless species. So when when Craig and I were gen gen
33:50
Z or gen z Jen, we're we're open to interpretation. Um, So
33:55
when Craig and I were doing up a card podcast, we do that make
33:59
it so podcast. We actually finished the episode with Okay, that's it,
34:02
girls, guys, and Jeni's that covers everybody. We need a reverse.
34:13
That's one because you're referencing how you used a Jeni reference in a Star Trek
34:20
podcast. Yeah right, so many layers. Hey, I have one interesting
34:24
to it. Yeah, okay, now we're going to reverse it. Hey,
34:34
Sexy, I didn't know I could work them off like that. Okay,
34:37
all right, Okay, this this, um, dare you? Um,
34:45
I do have one bit of look In a normal episode, it wouldn't
34:49
be interesting trivia, but it is the only bit of interesting trivia I could
34:53
find in this episode. Remember that really pivotal doctor character at the start,
34:58
the nervous girl that that um walks us into where the bodies are Do I
35:06
no? And um no, no no, but I do? And she
35:09
was just I'm like what, I don't trust, I don't care about.
35:14
And then there's that later scene where like Ronan and Taylor interrogator for some reason
35:17
like she oh, yeah, right, yeah, that was stupid. You're
35:22
stupid, You're stupid, bitch, you woman. I was finally I was
35:28
waiting for something fun times it would have been there. I had done it,
35:31
and I would have people I didn't know I could do a good Ronan.
35:35
You would have sucked bud Can Dick remember his race. You would have
35:43
sucked Master. I'm gonna give you the setid and drip. So we've seen
35:52
that character before, we've met her before. That's Doctor Lindsay show. She
35:57
had that pivotal scene back in the first episode of season nine of SG one,
36:02
when Cam is interviewing people for potential members of to B SG one.
36:07
Oh yeah, and she's the one that's like, oh, I can speak
36:09
each and when he says stuff, she like says back to him in Anchi
36:15
that yeah, yeah, that's her. So she's come along on the dead
36:16
list or something. Yeah, presumably yeahah, she's come over on the dead
36:20
lists. Okay, yeah, well second string staff member. Yeah, because
36:24
they they didn't plan on her being stup the same character, but she auditioned
36:32
and they hired her. She can't be yeah, oh you've already been on
36:37
the show. We'll just we'll just make you that the same character, which
36:39
is weird because they never see her again. We never see her again.
36:43
But we also they also specify in this episode Lawn's job is to escort her
36:47
once a month to come to the planet where it is, and then she
36:52
has to teach people how to grow crops better because she's a botanist and a
36:59
geologist and she was auditioning to be on SG one well as a botanist.
37:07
Yeah yeah, that line. Just what you're just saying, that reminds me
37:10
of a line. You know, it's set up, but I just I
37:14
hate those moments with characters where they have to explain shit to the audience in
37:21
dialogue that they would never have, right. He's like, oh us position,
37:24
yeah on that planet people, Yes, um, the such and such
37:29
people from the planet this where. Yeah, we're sending the SG two team
37:32
essentially over there to where help them with their growing the crops because of their
37:37
recent harvesting issues. Yes, yes, yes, tell me more. John,
37:39
I'm like, get no one talks like that? Can we not hear
37:43
that at any other? Like, I don't know, do we need to
37:45
even most of that. It's like in TV when they jus a new character
37:47
and it's like people will just drop the person's name in the middle of conversation
37:52
with that person. Yeah, like it just doesn't happen. Yeah, it
37:55
does. Some people do that. I've noticed. Oh really, when they're
37:59
talking to you, they'll say your name like two or three times straight.
38:04
I think it's like, my boss does that? See we do it in
38:07
here because it's it's a audio medium. Yeah. So it's like, if
38:10
I'm talking specifically to Brendon to miche, I will say your name, But
38:14
yeah, in general conversation, you don't. How often would you call your
38:19
wife by her name? I almost never do. Do you get the baby,
38:24
you're a babe personally Bub. If I throw out like a like a,
38:30
I will never get a babe or what what what's her name for you?
38:34
Sorry? Just going I think I get, I think I get,
38:37
I think I get Boo. Actually, well that's cute, but they're both
38:39
almost done, like sarcastically ironically. Yeah. Yeah. If I want to
38:44
really throw something, I throw a twots. I love twits. I prefer
38:46
I'd prefer. I'd like you to to to pivot specific like exclusively to Twitts
38:52
over Bub. It's just it's a little bit cardinal pell for me. Oh
38:55
no, it can't be wolf Raine Bub because if you say like that,
39:00
yeah, yeah, yeah, and I do. But he also says a
39:04
condescending way. He says it to enemies. He doesn't say it to like
39:07
you've never seen Wolverine, Jean, she's my wife or she's just like bub
39:13
wow not Sarah, I mean Jean. Yeah, I thought, well,
39:20
you know, in his own clause, he's real, he's real, mutant
39:23
powers, he's got no gag reflex, you know, even to its if
39:29
I say to it, and you know me and my movies where I got
39:30
that from the first Turtles live action movie Casey Jones calls April and Neal time.
39:43
Oh, I like times in that movie. Yeah, that's I think
39:45
that might be the only time I've ever heard that word. Change approved.
39:49
Yeah, let's pivot away from Bubba. And so I started throwing it out
39:52
there to Sarah and she likes it. I'm like, I kind of use
39:54
it because I assumed you'd find it like a defensive like Betty Boop. I'd
40:00
called Betty Boop twots. Yeah that's true. Suck. Yeah, they did.
40:02
They say it in Roger Rabbit. I think that's where I got that,
40:07
and it was meant to be insulting. But she likes it because she's
40:10
not native English speaking. Yeah. Yeah, I'd like to be called choke
40:15
Me Harder. That's that's my pet name. I like people to call me.
40:19
Call you check me out. Yeah, okay, no, I get
40:22
it. Change your contact on my phone, choke me hard please. Like
40:27
you're doing a lot of messages from choke Me Harder. Yeah, absolutely,
40:30
but I'll bet well, look he's sending through voice messages and photos. Shit.
40:36
Yeah. So I did just like from the start in the in the
40:38
like yeah, very extended. Was that still part of the extended prologue.
40:43
Perhaps I don't know. There's so much going on on that prologue what We're
40:45
Shepherd called we are Toots. Yeah, where she just like over explained something
40:51
that they both knew very well what each other was talking about. Yeah,
40:54
so just got me a little bit offside from from the get go there.
41:00
You know, you know, you just hate it when you're writing a script
41:01
and you've just got to explain, explain. I have to actually write that.
41:06
I'm going to write it. That is shit. I just want to
41:09
shop to work and get paid. I just want to like mash the keyboard
41:14
like fat Homer Simpson trying to dial the phone and then pick up my paycheck
41:16
at the end of the week. But even old Matte like, okay,
41:19
we see him redeem he's probas hey, I know your secret. You don't
41:22
want me telling anybody. And then he gets there and he's sort of got
41:27
this big shit eating grid on his face, going, hey, I was
41:30
just following orders. I bear no ill will towards you people. I've got
41:34
no hard feelings, Like dude, say it less creepy, and maybe we'll
41:37
think about believing you. But at the end, one thing I was surprised
41:43
about was that that was actually his sister. Yeah. Everything else that we've
41:47
heard from any of these people in this entire episode has been a lie.
41:52
And then she comes to and she's like, oh, hi, yah,
41:53
well where am I. I'm like, I'm to that guy. I'm blonde
41:57
girl, Redeem Yeah, and with like redeem, I know that word.
42:00
Yeah, she's supposed to be a scientist. She's so dumb. She's very
42:07
radiated. That's true, so radiated. So I assume when when we said,
42:13
hey, we've got these people here, will we'll do a straight swap.
42:15
We've even got redeemed sister, I expected him in just the background and
42:19
be like, it's my sister, you idiot? What truth? Yeah,
42:27
but no, they had to put that in so that then we could buy
42:30
back the idea that Redeem would actually let our people go yeah yeah yeah,
42:36
So I like, yeah, that was. As soon as she says I'm
42:38
redeemed sister, I'm like, okay, yeah, there's actually and I don't
42:45
say this lightly. I would rather a forty minute box of shame just reading
42:51
anything and everything than actually watch one of the special features on this DVD,
42:59
which is Martin Martin Guiro's it's a special purely about him becoming an actor.
43:07
And he's apparently like a background extra in this that's kind of fun. And
43:13
he's called his name, his character's name is Danger Beckett. The thing is,
43:20
he's actually more funny in a comedic sense on camera than he's a good
43:24
writer, whereas Cooper's just terrible on both accounts. But this is this is
43:32
you know, Cooper's apprentice. Yes, this is apprentice. Yeah, do
43:37
it? This is the this is the general grievous to to Cooper's palpatine.
43:46
I couldn't call him more because that's an insult to mall. Yeah, um,
43:52
I've got a present for you, Brendan let Um. There was the
43:54
there was that little um which we're getting a lot of lately, is a
43:57
little the little button scene at the end just between up and we are yeah,
44:00
yeah, we are so much sexual tension. Well, it's funny you
44:05
mentioned that they were just during the commentary talking about you know what what happened
44:09
when you know after the episode faded to black? Are they going? What
44:13
do you think you think they hook up at the end off screen in this
44:15
episode? Well you should see him as soon as I say cut. They
44:17
just dive in there, all over each other. They can't keep their hands
44:21
off each other. There you go, Well, I think that's one way.
44:28
That's pretty obvious. Elizabeth, get your tongue out of my year or
44:31
Elizabeth, please stop? John? Can I call you? Choke me harder?
44:43
Rodan comes in, You're an idiot? Idiot like it. It held
44:47
on Weir for so long. He walked out of the room and she just
44:51
like goes back to a computer and just no, we just watch paperwork,
44:57
like, yeah, the score slowly picks up, just looking paid work,
45:01
look at the screen and I'm like, and something happened and yeah it ends
45:08
on her. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're short. This has still
45:13
got seven seconds. Sorry, chief, you do pick those safety something.
45:21
Read the report more interestingly. Just pop your thumb down there. Yeah,
45:27
that's a good job. Move your eyelids more than a normal human would know
45:32
this reading or, as Peter DeLuise would say, act harder better sits can
45:46
be making fun of we are yeah, comes around. It Just it felt
45:53
like they were trying to make it as if it was her episode. When
45:57
they end on her, she's come to some kind of realization she's back where
46:00
she feels safe, blah blah. I'm like this, this wasn't very little
46:05
to do here. Nig's a hard man. Well yeah, and it's all
46:07
it stretching for time. There were those moments where Cowen's like, yeah,
46:12
we're gonna shoot him. Hey, you've just waste your time. McKay's in
46:15
fifteen minutes, go kill him, kill him please, And then for far
46:20
longer than it would have taken old Matte to Wes, They're back in the
46:23
in the control room and she's just kind of like staring at the screen,
46:30
listening out, waiting for like an update. And I'm like, yeah,
46:34
this is usually when you people do something, Yeah that stops that from happening.
46:38
Okay, sure something is going to happen on that planet. That's going
46:43
to stop it from happening. But you don't know that. The script knows
46:45
that. And that's why the script is allowing you to stand there and do
46:49
absolutely if you, if you, if you flip the camera in one eighty
46:53
and look at we as screen, what she actually hidden behind these She's actually
46:58
got a live feed from the men's room of lawn showering. He's back.
47:01
I would have loved little button on the scene could be launch shopping going,
47:06
hey, um, can I can I get my dog tags back? Can
47:08
I? Do we get them off there? If you can find child body.
47:13
She's like, I've hidden them inside me somewhere. You've got three guesses.
47:20
I'm wait wait wait wait wait wait one of those one of those were
47:27
those boxes called the Cristmas ones where you advent. I'm a I'm a human.
47:31
Actually I've tried to do it, sexy old. I'll help you,
47:40
lawn. If you want your dog hugs back, I've hidden them somewhere on
47:49
or in my person. You've got three guesses. Just think of me as
47:55
a human advent calendar. I don't know what for your finger and break the
48:05
thing open and get the prize out. The prize, the prize inside the
48:08
advent calendar is his dog tags and the holes are her holes. Yes,
48:13
that was that was where I was going with that. See, I'm all
48:17
on board the weird lawn love train. I'm down with that. Let's let's
48:24
let's peat and um and let's make it that and I'm all on board.
48:29
I'm gonna kill shepherd. And all of a sudden, she just like she
48:30
looks away and then gets a little glimpse at the showers, just like,
48:34
oh, I never Shepherd might be dying. I've never found lawn more a
48:38
track. Wow, and I reckon. I reckon lawns hairless from like the
48:44
neck down. I reckon. And I think I think we would like that
48:49
like a dolphin, you know. Yeah, whereas you know, Shepherd is
48:52
quite the ute individual. M this is the monkeys, that's what she This
48:58
is what she was actually looking at Major lawn. It's the baby dig from
49:06
scary movie. I know who who? Who do you out of? Out
49:15
of lawn? Mackay and Ronin? Who do you reckon? Like does the
49:21
mangina at parties? You reckon? There'd be a lot there to tuck back.
49:28
That's the same Hey slams, he's drink down. Figure this out.
49:34
In the fourth year on the Run, you want to me, he did
49:44
a full like Gollumn situation. He's out there in the forests. He found
49:47
a mirror out there and he's just tucking buffalo build in the basket, cuts
50:00
kills it, kills a wraith and just scalps it and wears its dreadlocks over
50:04
his own. And that's his feet episoddddding. I'm runa then he keeps a
50:12
wraith alive. He's like, you're gonna be me and I'm gonna tuck it.
50:15
I'm gonna be someone else on the run. Any questions questions? Do
50:28
the first three and half? Oh no comes down? Oh longest intro ever?
50:44
Anyway, do you want to be hi me? I wait for Batman.
50:59
Then I don't even go ron and I just went for it's lorn.
51:05
This is a funny, as would you. It's not the size of the
51:22
hair. I mean, that's that's true. Have I still got that thing?
51:28
I think you guys to the chat the other day, you know what
51:34
makes that. But Elizabeth's just like, oh my god, he's the man
51:38
small dicks, like a disability man. Somehow that makes it. Yeah,
51:50
she has a weird fetish where it's like the smaller dick, the more,
51:53
the more sexual she finds it. I think Becket had had the little dick
52:00
though. I think I think back it be like he's dick out just it,
52:10
don't poke it well, you know, like I said on the drive
52:20
in, I'm like, what are we going to be talking about tonight?
52:22
Anyway? I didn't think it would be covering this sort of ground that's left
52:25
Life finds a Way all right, that's episode two and thewenty of Getting to
52:35
Gates Do Get Atlantis? Oh my god? So excited for next week?
52:39
Next week? Yeah, this Mantle, Oh my god. It's in the
52:46
running for my top three. I'm just putting it out there season nine okay,
52:52
right, not all time, but for the season nine for our rank.
52:59
I think it'll make an appearance in my top three. The Delaware's directed
53:02
episode written by Alan McCaw i Shrek Fart of Donkey Alan Hall Hallon, Hallon,
53:12
Oh, I love the quantum surge that like soundbites have taken now that
53:16
we're back, like back in the studio. Yeah, yes, and I've
53:19
got other people's audio in front of me, so I just pick and choose.
53:22
And you're working the buttons more lately, so it's like you're just more
53:24
confident. Yes, there's a lot of stuff. Other stuff is really specific
53:30
to the show that I work, and I just wouldn't make any sense.
53:31
It's another one. Give us one of those that don't make China. No,
53:37
that would have been really good last week. No, we as a
53:39
big fan of tiny China, wouldn't work Tiny China. That's that's that's Little
53:51
Italy and it's Chinatown. No we as a fan of little I'm not.
54:00
I'm going to set you up again. He's a fan of tiny Three Days
54:06
Differ. The three days Buzz has been playing sous say the word cox.
54:10
I don't have that, so sorry, play something else, okay, because
54:15
that was a good game. That's our prime minister saying his last name.
54:19
I can go some alban Easy tonight, just a nice spaghetti alban easy.
54:22
I reckon the still open. You could pick up us. Yeah, excuse
54:24
me, Yeah, I'll have a large thank you fresh freshly, freshly great
54:30
tis than though I don't I don't do with that. There you go.
54:34
Whoa, that's sorry, that was Maddie. That was weird watching No you
54:38
know he's Ron and tucking himself that funny yea. So many other buss gott.
54:49
I hope there's at least a little, tiny, tiny slipper of event
54:52
diagram of people in Brisbane that listen to us and also are aware of the
54:57
show that I'm working on radio, because some of this is go it's gonna
55:00
kill actually, yeah, jump into a slipping to a DMS or emails or
55:05
I think I would actually love to know how many Brisbane listeners listen to Mitchell's
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Breakfast. I will guess a fat zero Maddie does. That's one look I
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listen. I listened intently from about seven forty when I get out of the
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shower, okay, till about eight twenty. That's fine, that's standards.
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I put it in just so you know. I'm I'm out of the shower,
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so I'm only wearing a towel. Essentially, listen to you just wearing
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a towel. Give it to me. Yeah. I listened, and then
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they for the news in Sport and then they pop a cheering on im like
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Jerry He's something for just does close off his new album, this one album
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sub tracked. This is the first single man new album. What's it called?
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Subtract because you know that he's he's he's done all the maths on things
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so far, He's done every track that he possibly can. An awful Jesus
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Christ. They play this every three hours on the dot. I don't get
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it. I don't get it. And we've got a big picture of him
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in the in the office here. As soon as you come out of the
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lift and walk up four flights today we did it. Yeah, yeah,
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I'm painting the wrong picture and Brenda's don't fight. I don't get it.
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I don't get it. He's on the top of this pen too. Hey
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yeah, yeah he does. He does like two or three songs with them,
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and I don't like them. Oh you remember that they sucked. It
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was like when Lady Gaga had a country face. Yeah, well he's favor
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His favorite artist is Eminem growing up. That's how we got rid of his
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list, mate, haven't you heard, Well, clearly you have. Yeah,
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it's something new and have in common. Yeah, limb, we both
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suck at playing music. Now, this guy hilarious. Did you see do
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you guys see that thing where someone like um did an Eminem song just using
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little grabs from movies, this whole thing. What do you have that?
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I heard the they got AI to make a song of Eminem loves Cats.
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It's hilarious. Could not stop laughing. Yeah I saw that. Yeah,
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so dumb, so funny. Should I go out and some more cheering?
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Oh yeah, okay, dance with my ass glues, get geek h get
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