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TEEN GIRL CHEERLEADER DEAD ON CARNIVAL CRUISE SHIP, FBI JOINS INVESTIGATION · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous little teenage girl
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Speaker 1: cheerleader dead on a carnival cruise ship tonight, the FBI
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Speaker 1: joining the investigation. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Eighteen year old Anna Kapner, a brilliant straight A student
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Speaker 2: from Titusville, Florida, embarks on what is meant to be
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Speaker 2: a celebratory cruise, marking the end of her high school journey.
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Speaker 2: This trip is supposed to be a joyful escape. Unaware
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Speaker 2: of what is to come.
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Speaker 1: This little girl was a high school cheerleading star, a
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Speaker 1: star in so many ways. She had all as she
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Speaker 1: was already set to go into the military, had already
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Speaker 1: spoken to recruiters, had her mind made up to serve
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Speaker 1: her country. Now she's dead on a cruise ship. You know,
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Speaker 1: maybe I'm the crazy on here. Straight out to Susan
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Speaker 1: Hendricks joining us. You know her well investigative journalist who
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Speaker 1: shot to fame on hl N and then her close
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Speaker 1: coverage of the Delphi double murder. She even wrote a
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Speaker 1: book in all her spare time, Down the Hill, My
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Speaker 1: Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi Susan Hendricks. This
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Speaker 1: little girl should be on her way to college or
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Speaker 1: into the military. How is it so many people keep
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Speaker 1: dropping dead on cruise ships. Look at her, She's a baby.
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Speaker 3: Yeah she is.
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Speaker 4: And I was looking through her TikTok last night. I
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Speaker 4: have a daughter around the same age, and you see
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Speaker 4: just how young and full of life she was, with
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Speaker 4: the dances going on this cruise, with her grandmother loving
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Speaker 4: to do that. I even saw on her TikToker dancing
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Speaker 4: with her grandmother, full of life, her grandmother calling her
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Speaker 4: Anna Banana, so much ahead of her, And really what happened?
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Speaker 4: That's what we're trying to piece together.
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Speaker 1: Susan Hendricks. We have taken the twins on a lot
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Speaker 1: of cruises, okay, like four five Disney cruises. That's my comparison,
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Speaker 1: a Disney cruise where everything is in a controlled environment.
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Speaker 1: I guess you could. I wouldn't, but you could let
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Speaker 1: your children run wild. But I just don't understand how
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Speaker 1: a young teen girl ends up dead and we can't
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Speaker 1: even get the right time of death. Isn't it true,
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Speaker 1: Susan Hendrix, that at first we were all told this
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Speaker 1: little girl died eleven eight, But now we're learning they
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Speaker 1: even had the date wrong by twenty four hours. She
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Speaker 1: died eleven seven, around eleven seventeen A m. Isn't that true?
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Speaker 5: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: And the cruise ship docked back when it was supposed
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Speaker 4: to on Saturday. So we're learning now you're right, eleven
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Speaker 4: seventeen on Friday. We're trying to piece together exactly what happened.
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Speaker 4: But it seemed like she loved cruises. She was excited
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Speaker 4: to go. They were looking forward to it. How did
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Speaker 4: she end up dead?
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Speaker 3: What happened to her?
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Speaker 4: It feels like everyone's tight lipt.
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Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you the FBI on it. Now. That's
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Speaker 1: never a good thing when you have the FBI picking
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Speaker 1: through your trash and going over your movements. Joining me
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Speaker 1: there on the scene is private investigator Robert Crispin. He's
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Speaker 1: joining us at the Port of Miami, where so many
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Speaker 1: cruise ships depart, including this one. He is the owner
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Speaker 1: and founder of Crispin Special Investigations. But that's just part
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Speaker 1: of his story. He was with the former Federal Task
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Speaker 1: Force Officer US Department of Justice DEA in that jurisdiction,
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Speaker 1: Miami Field Division, former Homicide Crimes against Children, and he's
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Speaker 1: at Crispininvestigations dot Com. Crispin, this is right up your alley,
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Speaker 1: but I can't stress it enough. In a moment, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to go to our friend Joe Scott Morgan on this, Robert.
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Speaker 1: They can't I mean, did they know their tail from
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Speaker 1: a hole in the ground a cruise ship investigating a
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Speaker 1: potential homicide and they don't even get the time of
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Speaker 1: death even the day of death right. Do you know
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Speaker 1: how many witnesses are now lost forever because they didn't
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Speaker 1: get the TOD time of death down twenty four hours
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Speaker 1: plus Crispin, who was with her on eleven seven? We
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Speaker 1: don't know what was she doing, what did she eat,
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Speaker 1: what did she drink? Did she leave on a port adventure?
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Speaker 1: It's all gone, Crispin.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, this is why the FBI is involved.
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Speaker 6: And when you get twelve nautical miles off the coast,
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Speaker 6: pretty much up the entire coast, it's international waterway. And
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Speaker 6: the problem is these types of cases, Nancy, an issue
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Speaker 6: for the FBI.
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Speaker 5: Why Because the problem.
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Speaker 6: With these cuse ships are the clime scenes that are
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Speaker 6: moving constantly. If you have evidence that was just rounded out,
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Speaker 6: it's in five thousand feet two that's the problem for the.
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Speaker 1: FBI joining us an all star panel to make sense
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Speaker 1: of what we're learning tonight, Straight out to death Investigator,
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Speaker 1: professor of Forensics at Jacksonville State University, the author of
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet, and you can hear him now
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Speaker 1: on a hit podcast Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, thank you for being with us. It's a
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Speaker 1: death investigator's nightmare. It's a floating crime scene. How did
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Speaker 1: the little girl die? Who was with her? What time
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Speaker 1: did she die? Not just the cod cause of death,
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Speaker 1: the manner of death. And just like you heard Robert
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Speaker 1: Crispin say accurately, those guests, over five thousand of them
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Speaker 1: on this particular cruise ship have scattered to the four
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Speaker 1: core of the Earth. They weren't all even from the US.
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Speaker 7: So what do you do first, Well, you tried to
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Speaker 7: get access to the area where she was actually living
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Speaker 7: in that cabin that I assumed that she was in
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Speaker 7: there with her grandmother. Bits of evidence that are contained
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Speaker 7: therein all the stuff that was in her baggage. But
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Speaker 7: here's one of the problems, Nancy. Once that stuff is
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Speaker 7: removed out of there, you lose all contexts for the
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Speaker 7: rest of the investigation. Here's another problem. We don't have
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Speaker 7: an established timeline you had mentioned earlier. Has she ingested anything?
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Speaker 7: What kind of meals did she take on board? Who
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Speaker 7: was she hanging out with on the ship? Was there
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Speaker 7: anybody that could have slipped her something at some point
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Speaker 7: in time? Did she have access to alcohol when she's
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Speaker 7: in international waters? So all of this works out to
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Speaker 7: be just an absolute nightmare scenario. The upside here, though,
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Speaker 7: I think, if there is any is that when they
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Speaker 7: put in, they put in to Miami, and Miami Dade
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Speaker 7: has one of the finest medical examiner offices in the country,
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Speaker 7: so they are going to be working this case from
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Speaker 7: a medical legal perspective, and we're talking about toxicology, and
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Speaker 7: we're also talking about a physical examination here because we
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Speaker 7: want to try to rule out, if we can, any
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Speaker 7: kind of trauma that might be there. That's one of
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Speaker 7: the reasons we're waiting. We don't have a cod yet,
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Speaker 7: but they're also waiting on talks, and therein might lie
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Speaker 7: the answers. J.
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Speaker 1: Scott, This is a morbid question, but it must be asked.
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Speaker 1: Where our dead bodies stored on a cruise ship? They
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Speaker 1: actually have a location for.
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Speaker 7: Them, Yeah, they do. Having worked in New Orleans for
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Speaker 7: many years a major port, I work several cases coming
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Speaker 7: off of ships, everything from tankers to cruisers, you name it.
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Speaker 7: Even out on oil platforms. There are locations where bodies
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Speaker 7: can be stored. Sometimes they're referred to as a cool room.
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Speaker 7: Other times I've actually had remains that were placed into
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Speaker 7: a literal deep freeze. And so it's going to vary
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Speaker 7: from uh structure to structure or from platform to platform.
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Speaker 7: With a cruise ship, though, they have a dedicated area
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Speaker 7: most of the time, and that's a big that's a
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Speaker 7: big issue, Nancy, because in the medical legal world, we
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Speaker 7: want to try to put the body into stasis in
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Speaker 7: depth so that you're not going to have or you're
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Speaker 7: gonna you're not going to have any kind of degrading
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Speaker 7: of the remains because that's going to compromise evidence as well,
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Speaker 7: and how well was the body protected. You know, I
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Speaker 7: begin to think about elements like trace evidence. It drives
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Speaker 7: me nuts thinking about this because you're going to have
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Speaker 7: people that are unversed in this area. They're going to
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Speaker 7: be handling her remains and this is your primary bit
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Speaker 7: of evidence here I'm not being disrespectful to the dead,
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Speaker 7: but you know and I know that that's the issue here.
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Speaker 7: You have to protect this body at all costs because
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Speaker 7: they're in lie all of the answers.
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Speaker 1: Just got Morgan joining us death investigator with literally thousands
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Speaker 1: of death investigations under his belt. Scott, you just said
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Speaker 1: the condition of the body. Let's just think for a moment.
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Speaker 1: You know how small the cabins are on these cruise ships.
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Speaker 1: Think of her. She's basically in a tin can in
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Speaker 1: a closed room in the Caribbean hot as h E
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Speaker 1: double l. You know the implications that has for eight
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Speaker 1: dead human body. You lose evidence with every minute that
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Speaker 1: ticks by.
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Speaker 7: Yes, you do. And that's one of the major problems,
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Speaker 7: particularly when you begin to think about her tissues. And
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Speaker 7: just let me kind of lay this out. This is
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Speaker 7: they're going to be three the body in total is
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Speaker 7: going to be examined. Her body will, but there are
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Speaker 7: three major areas you're looking at anatomically here with a
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Speaker 7: person this age that suddenly passes away, the heart, the lungs,
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Speaker 7: and the brain, and so you want to be able
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Speaker 7: to preserve those so that you're not going to have
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Speaker 7: any decomposition or degradation of the body to the point
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Speaker 7: where it's going to compromise any kind of evidence that
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Speaker 7: you can recover that rest therein. That's why it's so
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Speaker 7: important to be able to keep this her remains so
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Speaker 7: that they are as intact as you possibly can until
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Speaker 7: Theme in Miami can retrieve the remains and examine them
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Speaker 7: as they should be examined.
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Speaker 1: Joining us now, Spencer Aarenfeld. He is the lawyer for
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Speaker 1: the family of Dulcy White, another woman that dies at sea.
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Speaker 1: He is known as the cruise ship lawyer, and for
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Speaker 1: a reason, he takes on these seemingly impossible cases and
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Speaker 1: actually wins them, not on behalf of the cruise ship,
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Speaker 1: on behalf of the families. Spencer, I wouldn't trust a
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Speaker 1: cruise ship investigator as far as I could throw them.
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Speaker 1: Not that they're evil people, I mean, for Pete's sake,
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Speaker 1: they don't even have the right day of death, much
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Speaker 1: less time of death. We had to get a medical
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Speaker 1: examiner in the States to give me a time of death.
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Speaker 1: I mean, really, if they can't even do that, did
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Speaker 1: you hear Joe Scott Morgan, he's the professor of forensics,
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Speaker 1: describing what all has been lost because if they're ineptness Nancy.
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Speaker 8: The security officers on cruise ships are really nothing more
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Speaker 8: than glorified mall cops. Most of them have little to
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Speaker 8: no training in law enforcement, in forensics and investigation. This
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Speaker 8: is one of the primary problems that people have on
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Speaker 8: cruise ships is they expect that they're actually being guarded
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Speaker 8: by a police level security force. These are men and
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Speaker 8: women primarily from the Philippines, from Indonesia, who could have
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Speaker 8: been a bartender, could have been a dishwasher, but they
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Speaker 8: got a job on the security.
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Speaker 4: Stop.
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Speaker 1: Please stop. Okay, my ears are bleeding. You've made my
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Speaker 1: ears bleed. Did you say the cruise ship investigators were
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Speaker 1: a bartender back on the island and now they're the
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Speaker 1: investigator on the cruise ship.
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Speaker 8: The entire training they've had in being a security guard
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Speaker 8: is generally the training that the cruise line gives them.
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Speaker 8: They're recruited in these countries and they apply for different
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Speaker 8: positions and that they get a job in security, then
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Speaker 8: the cruise line trains them themselves. They usually have no
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Speaker 8: military part.
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Speaker 1: You're killing me. You just gagged me. Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I just opened a whole can of worms.
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Speaker 1: Right there, you're hearing Spencer Aaronfeld talking the cruise ship
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Speaker 1: lawyer Joe Scott. Do you know how hard I had
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Speaker 1: to train to go on crime scenes as a district
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Speaker 1: attorney and assistant district attorney. How hard did you have
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Speaker 1: to train to be a death investigator? And now I
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Speaker 1: got a bouncer from some bar from the Caribbean, and
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Speaker 1: that's the cruise ship security. That's the investigator.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and here's another piece. If you like that one,
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Speaker 7: let me give you this one as well. We work
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Speaker 7: in a world now in forensic science where we're talking
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Speaker 7: about molecular evidence. Now, so to my colleague's earlier point,
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Speaker 7: where there's no manner of death ruled at this point
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Speaker 7: in time. If we're talking about a homicide here, we
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Speaker 7: start to get off in areas like DNA. We treat
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Speaker 7: scenes many times now, Nancy, those of us that are professionals,
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Speaker 7: as if we're going into surgery. You know, you see
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Speaker 7: us in the taiex suits with the hoods on and
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Speaker 7: the gloves and the booties and the mask and all that. Well,
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Speaker 7: there's a reason we do that. It's because the evidence
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Speaker 7: many times is very very fragile, and when you don't
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Speaker 7: when you don't have specific evidence at a scene that's
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Speaker 7: going to point o something, just like Comer, just like Coburg.
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Speaker 1: No eyewitnesses, no confession, nothing, no fingerprints, no footprints, no nothing.
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Speaker 1: And if it had not been for molecular forensic evidence,
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Speaker 1: a quadruple homicide would have gone unsolved. There was no motive,
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Speaker 1: There was no connection that we knew of between Coburger
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Speaker 1: and his four victims. The state was just hanging in
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Speaker 1: the wind. We were gone until people like you came
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Speaker 1: in with molecular evidence. Think about it, The evidence was
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Speaker 1: found on the snap of the hilt of a knife
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Speaker 1: and got him dead in the water because of molecular evidence.
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Speaker 1: There is no way that investigators on this cruise ship
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Speaker 1: got molecular evidence.
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Speaker 7: No. I just hope that they didn't compromise those things
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Speaker 7: that are there. Sometimes it's better just to keep your
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Speaker 7: hands off. But we know that that didn't happen because
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Speaker 7: in fact, they have to take care of the body.
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Speaker 7: That goes back to what you said earlier about play
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Speaker 7: the body in a location that is at minimum cool,
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Speaker 7: hopefully colder more like what we have actually in the morgue,
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Speaker 7: because at that point time we can cease or slow
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Speaker 7: down the process of decomposition. And also it secures the body.
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Speaker 7: How do I know where her remains were on that ship?
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Speaker 7: That other people didn't have access to her body? You know,
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Speaker 7: you go to the m's office and look, you're going
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Speaker 7: to have to pass through several layers or or gates
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Speaker 7: of security in order to get access to a body.
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Speaker 7: You're talking about a rolling city here with five thousand occupants,
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Speaker 7: just like our colleague said earlier, that are in the wind.
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Speaker 7: They're gone. Now, Nancy, how are you going to track
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Speaker 7: them down?
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Speaker 5: You know?
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Speaker 1: May to Spencer Erinfield the cruise ship lawyer, Spencer, let
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Speaker 1: me tell a story about what happened to us on
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Speaker 1: a Disney cruise through no fault of Disney. So you know,
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Speaker 1: they have like a tween hangout. I believe it's called
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Speaker 1: the Edge, which is edgy, where like if you're eleven
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Speaker 1: ten to say fourteen, you can go there and pretend
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Speaker 1: you're eighteen, right, and you play games. Believe me, I
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Speaker 1: stoop the whole thing out. They play games, they watch
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Speaker 1: Disney movies of course, and they have like kool aid
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Speaker 1: and pretzels, and there is a guard at the door.
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Speaker 1: The only entry exit. I checked the whole thing out.
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Speaker 1: So we went on another Disney cruise and John Lucy
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Speaker 1: wanted to come back from the edge and come to
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Speaker 1: the room. So I was already in my pajamas, shorts
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Speaker 1: and a T shirt and went to edge to go
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Speaker 1: get her. I bring her back with strict instructions to
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Speaker 1: John David, do not leave until I get back. He's like, sure.
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Speaker 1: I go back forty five minutes later, get Lucy all set.
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Speaker 1: He's not there. He was with a little friend from
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Speaker 1: our hometown and they left together. He thought it would
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Speaker 1: be okay, because I always say travel in a group.
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Speaker 1: I was running in my pajama up and down the
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Speaker 1: hallways of the Disney Cruise line, trying to find John David,
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Speaker 1: because you know how fast somebody could have dragged him
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Speaker 1: into one of their rooms, molested him and killed him,
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Speaker 1: just like that, out of all those thousands of rooms.
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Speaker 1: I went berserk. Now, granted, that was all on John David,
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Speaker 1: not on Disney. In fact, we went on another Disney
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Speaker 1: cruise after that that following summer, where I would not
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Speaker 1: I had a handcuffed to me. He could not leave
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Speaker 1: Lucy here, John David here, no matter where they went.
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Speaker 1: I was there, Spencer. This is so wrong, and people
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Speaker 1: wonder why I'm so angry and upset. This is I'm
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Speaker 1: not mad at the investigator who doesn't know what he,
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Speaker 1: she or doing. I'm mad because this is the only
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Speaker 1: thing left that we can do for this little girl.
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Speaker 1: This is it is to solve her case. Spencer.
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Speaker 8: Well, probably Nancy, and I agree with you. The most
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Speaker 8: important evidence for me would be the surveillance video. These
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Speaker 8: cruise lines are wired like casinos from Boust, with high
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Speaker 8: definitions CCTV covering all the common areas, covering the elevators,
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Speaker 8: covering the dining rooms, the pool, the night bull. And
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Speaker 8: my question is where's the CCTV. In my experience, and
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Speaker 8: I've sued Carnival thousands of times, they will either not
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Speaker 8: have all the CCTV or failed to preserve it, which
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Speaker 8: is why I think the FBI boarding the ship the
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Speaker 8: minute it got to Fort Miami was essential for the
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Speaker 8: preservation of the CCTV. They're going to get it off
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Speaker 8: the ship and the FBI will take possession of it
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Speaker 8: before Carnival destroys it, loses it takes over it. I
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Speaker 8: think the cameras are going to tell a lot of the.
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Speaker 9: Story of what happened to her senior year at Temple Christians,
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Speaker 9: and it paints her parking spot to match your favorite
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Speaker 9: movie Clueless and is ecstatic be back on the field
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Speaker 9: cheering for the Lions. Licensed to boat Ann scoobas she
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Speaker 9: enjoys making tiktoks with her friends and brother. Anna plans
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Speaker 9: on joining the military. In fact, she's waiting on the
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Speaker 9: results of her ASVAB testing to determine which jobs will
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Speaker 9: suit her best.
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Speaker 2: Anna's grandparents gift her a spring cruise as an eighteenth
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Speaker 2: birthday gift. Anna enjoys the experience so much she books
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Speaker 2: a six day trip with stops in Oto Rios, Jamaica,
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Speaker 2: the Grand Caymans, and Cosimo, Mexico. Anna Kefner is known
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Speaker 2: for her infectious spirit and love for people, with dreams
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Speaker 2: of serving her community through military service. That's why what
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Speaker 2: happens on her trip devastates all.
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Speaker 7: And know her.
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Speaker 1: How long had this little girl been dead in her
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Speaker 1: room if that's where she was actually found.
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Speaker 10: Lindsay Allison, a passenger staying just down the hall from
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Speaker 10: Anna's room, remembers crew responding to a medical call around
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Speaker 10: eleven am Friday morning.
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Speaker 8: Security never left. They guarded the room very well.
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Speaker 10: Though she doesn't know what happened, Alison can imagine the
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Speaker 10: terror that ensues when your vacation turns into a floating prison.
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Speaker 8: You're out in the middle of the ocean.
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Speaker 4: You can't go anywhere, you can't get on land, you
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Speaker 4: can't sleep.
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Speaker 10: Early Saturday, the last day of the Horizon's voyage, a
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Speaker 10: passenger is found dead. The cruise ship returns to port,
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Speaker 10: asking passengers to disembark quickly. The FBI now investigating the death.
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Speaker 1: From our friends at Fox thirteenth Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: Another debacle at sea, a case that may never be solved.
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Speaker 1: Now of this little cheerleader eerily reminiscent of the so
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Speaker 1: called Missing Groom, Captain Michael.
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Speaker 3: May I give your attention please, every person may have
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Speaker 3: gone overboard last night.
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Speaker 10: George Smith and his bride spend the night gambling with
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Speaker 10: friends they met on the Royal Caribbeans Brilliance of the Seas.
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Speaker 10: When the ship's casino closes, the group heads to the club,
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Speaker 10: but Jennifer leaves after a drunken argument with George. By
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Speaker 10: the time the club closes at three point thirty, the
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Speaker 10: young men have to carry George back to his room.
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Speaker 10: At four, around four thirty, neighbors here a sickening thud,
21:15
Speaker 10: which investigators believe was George's body slamming against a lifeboat
21:20
Speaker 10: canopy before falling into the ocean below.
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Speaker 1: I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that my
21:25
Speaker 1: son was murdered on that cruise ship.
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Speaker 3: There's so much evidence, it's overwhelming.
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Speaker 8: It's just been a complete and awful nightmare for my family.
21:37
Speaker 1: That last bit from our friends at forty eight hours,
21:41
Speaker 1: I personally investigated the George Smith missing groom case. Just
21:47
Speaker 1: Gott Morgan, you also have studied the case. I spoke
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Speaker 1: with his mother, his sister at length, went through all
21:54
Speaker 1: of the evidence. There is no way did you know
21:57
Speaker 1: they tried to climb he fell over the rail when
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Speaker 1: the friends' friends that he just met in the bar
22:03
Speaker 1: that night and they were all drinking absinthe, which you
22:06
Speaker 1: know I believe it's outlawed, and certain jurisdictions so powerful.
22:10
Speaker 1: They left him in his room and the rail to
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Speaker 1: George Smith's balcony was chest high and there were several
22:20
Speaker 1: rails so nobody could just fall over the side. He
22:25
Speaker 1: was thrown overboard and the evidence is overwhelming that he
22:31
Speaker 1: was murdered. I agree with his mother that you just
22:33
Speaker 1: heard speaking. But it's never been solved because everyone scattered.
22:38
Speaker 1: As I said, to the four corners of the earth.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you took a look just at that image of
22:42
Speaker 7: the blood deposition alone. You know, how has that explained?
22:45
Speaker 7: And again, this is another great example of how can
22:48
Speaker 7: the scene be processed or secured? Because I'm not thinking
22:52
Speaker 7: I misspoke when I said processed. I would not expect
22:56
Speaker 7: security on one of the ships to process a scene.
22:59
Speaker 7: But they even understand basic scene security, how you lock
23:04
Speaker 7: down an area once you get there, and you understand
23:07
Speaker 7: the value and how delicate this evidence is, you know,
23:12
Speaker 7: to get back to port in order to allow those
23:15
Speaker 7: that are professionals to work the scene, to interpret the scene.
23:19
Speaker 7: So now you've got a fantastical story about this, this
23:23
Speaker 7: fellow going over this rail that's chest high. These rails
23:26
Speaker 7: are designed this way for a reason. It would take
23:30
Speaker 7: him being propelled in order to get over the side.
23:35
Speaker 7: And so that's that's one of these things. It's a
23:38
Speaker 7: fantastic example of what a potential train wreck these deaths
23:41
Speaker 7: are at sea, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: And of course there had been arguments the night before
23:46
Speaker 1: he had a huge argument with his fiance. Well, they
23:48
Speaker 1: had just gotten married, this is their honeymoon. She Jennifer,
23:52
Speaker 1: I could recall her name, was spotted on cam like
23:56
Speaker 1: sitting in a hallway completely drunk, just you know, had
24:00
Speaker 1: been totally overserved. Long story short. I don't think she
24:05
Speaker 1: had anything to do with his death, but I believe
24:08
Speaker 1: he was murdered potentially by people he was with at
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Speaker 1: the bar that night. And when I say, by the way,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, that the real was chest high, that's chest
24:16
Speaker 1: high on me, not on you. Okay, I'm five to
24:19
Speaker 1: one and a half. You're like, what six two or
24:22
Speaker 1: six three, so it would be different. But still it
24:26
Speaker 1: was to a height. He didn't just fall over. He
24:29
Speaker 1: had to be, as you said, propelled. And part of
24:31
Speaker 1: the problem Doctor Angela Arnold with us psychiatrist. You can
24:36
Speaker 1: find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Doctor Angie
24:40
Speaker 1: is the family never will know what happened. And here
24:46
Speaker 1: with this little cheerleader, we see the same thing all
24:50
Speaker 1: over again with Anna terrific Nancy.
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Speaker 3: It's a form of trauma that this family will never
24:58
Speaker 3: be able to get over. That's why, you know, that's
25:01
Speaker 3: why we have funerals and things like this. It's for
25:03
Speaker 3: people to process the death of someone. But if you
25:06
Speaker 3: never ever know what actually happened to that person, you
25:10
Speaker 3: can never fully process their death, and so they will
25:13
Speaker 3: all be traumatized by those in ways that we don't
25:18
Speaker 3: even realize for the rest of their lives. It's true,
25:21
Speaker 3: it's very sad.
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Speaker 2: Anna is mourned by classmates and teachers at Temple Christian.
25:25
Speaker 2: Mister Bruner writes a heartfelt note. Your curiosity, your gentle spirit,
25:29
Speaker 2: and the way you cared for those around you made
25:31
Speaker 2: a lasting impression on me and on everyone who knew you.
25:35
Speaker 2: Anna's family parks her car in the parking spot for
25:37
Speaker 2: the last time. The white key is stacked high with
25:40
Speaker 2: bouquets of Anna's favorite flowers.
25:42
Speaker 1: Susan Hendrick is joining US investigative journalists and author. Susan,
25:46
Speaker 1: there's something that's so poignant about that photo of her
25:50
Speaker 1: car in her little parking spot. Seniors get their own spot,
25:55
Speaker 1: and she painted hers after her favorite movie Clueless. Her
26:00
Speaker 1: car was still part there and then everyone began putting
26:03
Speaker 1: flowers on it, and it reminds me, Susan, you and
26:07
Speaker 1: I have both lived in the South. How it's very typical.
26:10
Speaker 1: You'll be driving along the interstate and you'll see a
26:13
Speaker 1: cross covered in flowers. It's all that's left. The family
26:18
Speaker 1: is so bereft. All they can do is go put
26:21
Speaker 1: flowers on her car. It's just it's heartbreaking to me.
26:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I see that car, I think of a
26:29
Speaker 4: teenager with their whole lives ahead of them, and the
26:31
Speaker 4: school decided, hey, we're going to keep that car there.
26:35
Speaker 4: It's staying put for now. And you see all the
26:37
Speaker 4: memorials that young girl's best friends thinking she was just
26:41
Speaker 4: here what happened? And as doctor Arnold was talking and
26:45
Speaker 4: Joe Scott, I'm thinking, is that the place to commit
26:49
Speaker 4: the perfect crime? That floating vessel. I mean, it's blocked off,
26:53
Speaker 4: it's already back out at sea. Passengers are shuffled off
26:56
Speaker 4: and there's no answers.
26:58
Speaker 1: Okay, Robert Crisp and is joining us at the Port
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Speaker 1: of Miami, the departure spot for all of these cruises
27:06
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Okay, Robert Crispin, get ready, it's not
27:11
Speaker 1: just Anna that dies at sea. Now we've got Dulcy White,
27:16
Speaker 1: a loving wife and mom who apparently is overserved, falls
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Speaker 1: over the edge and the boat doesn't even go back
27:24
Speaker 1: to look for her.
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Speaker 10: Dulcy White, a loving wife to Terry, a mom of
27:29
Speaker 10: three nursing patients in West Berlin, New York. When Dulcy's
27:33
Speaker 10: daughter Meghan suggests they take a girl's trip, Dulcy immediately
27:36
Speaker 10: suggests a cruise.
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Speaker 9: Dulci a Meghan decide on a four day Taylor Swift
27:41
Speaker 9: themed cruise to Nasau and Royal Caribbean's Cocoa Key. The
27:45
Speaker 9: cruise promises themed efense, friendship bracelet exchanges and a clever
27:49
Speaker 9: T shirt in my cruise era for fifteen hundred per person.
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Speaker 1: I mean to you, Robert Crispin, what could be more
27:55
Speaker 1: fun than that? A Taylor Swift theme cruise without all
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Speaker 1: all the girls, the young teen girls running around exchanging
28:02
Speaker 1: those friendship bracelets, and some grown man I've seen wearing
28:06
Speaker 1: the tailor's with her whatever. So much fun, so innocent.
28:11
Speaker 1: But the allegation tonight is she was horribly overserved and
28:17
Speaker 1: fell overboard and the ship didn't even turn around to
28:21
Speaker 1: go find her nothing. They just let her drown. What's
28:25
Speaker 1: the likelihood we'll ever gonna find her body?
28:29
Speaker 5: That's never gonna happen In an open sea in the
28:31
Speaker 5: middle of nowhere. You know, Nancy.
28:34
Speaker 6: Everything starts off so exciting and everyone's happy when I
28:37
Speaker 6: get on this cruise ship. But the problem is when
28:40
Speaker 6: somebody falls off and the cruise ship pilot does not
28:44
Speaker 6: turn the vessel around, and Williamson turn and Anderson turn,
28:49
Speaker 6: that didn't happen. That allegation alone is sickening and it
28:53
Speaker 6: makes people not want to get out a cruise ship.
28:55
Speaker 6: God forbid something happens.
28:57
Speaker 10: Dulcie and Meghan depart Miami on board the Allure of
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Speaker 10: the Seas. Dulcy decides to sclurge on a drink package
29:03
Speaker 10: as well, opting for Royal Caribbeans Deluxe Beverage Package so
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Speaker 10: she doesn't need to pay for individual drinks.
29:10
Speaker 9: Royal Caribbeans Deluxe Beverage Package can cost more than one
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Speaker 9: hundred dollars per day, not including an eighteen percent gratuity
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Speaker 9: charged at the end of the cruise.
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Speaker 2: Dulcy White eagerly boards the All in On Taylor Swift
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Speaker 2: Cruise with her family, expecting to have a wonderful weekend
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Speaker 2: filled with all her favorite songs. Little does she know
29:30
Speaker 2: this trip will soon turn into a tragedy.
29:33
Speaker 1: That's right, it's not just that gorgeous teen girl cheerleader
29:38
Speaker 1: Anna Kepner that dies at sea. Now a mom of
29:42
Speaker 1: three dead and the boat didn't even turn around to
29:45
Speaker 1: try and look for her body. Why joining us an
29:50
Speaker 1: all star panel, you know, I just want to be
29:52
Speaker 1: clear about something to Robert Crispin, former DEEA former vice.
29:57
Speaker 1: That's where this comes in. Ford j who's joining us
30:00
Speaker 1: there at the Port of Miami and the States. It's
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Speaker 1: against the law to overserve someone who is obviously inebriated.
30:09
Speaker 1: What those rules don't apply on a cruise ship, you.
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Speaker 5: Know, Nancy, You would think it does, but it doesn't.
30:14
Speaker 6: And sadly enough, even though they're inebriated, they're staggering, their
30:18
Speaker 6: slurge speech, their bloodshot, watery eyes, they're still getting alcohol served.
30:22
Speaker 5: Why because they got the wristband on. It's the deluxe
30:26
Speaker 5: all you can drink. What happens they get them back
30:29
Speaker 5: to their room.
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Speaker 11: They end up dying or something bad, really bad happens
30:34
Speaker 11: to these people, and there's no accountability, you.
30:36
Speaker 1: Know, part of it though, Doctor Angie Arnold joining us,
30:39
Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrist. I think when you get on a cruise ship,
30:42
Speaker 1: I kind of did it with the twins. Of course,
30:45
Speaker 1: we're all teetotalers. Sadly we're not in the party. But
30:48
Speaker 1: you think you're safe. You're surrounded by children, adults don't
30:54
Speaker 1: get to come like just on their own pervs wandering around,
30:58
Speaker 1: I don't think anyway, and you just feel totally insulated,
31:02
Speaker 1: especially on a Disney cruise. And I'm wondering if that
31:06
Speaker 1: has anything to do with the attitude on cruise ships.
31:09
Speaker 1: You think, oh, I can drink as much as I want.
31:11
Speaker 1: All have to do is walk to my room.
31:13
Speaker 3: Well, Nancy, what I was thinking about was this, once
31:16
Speaker 3: a person has had a certain amount to drink, they're
31:20
Speaker 3: really not in control of their cognition at some point,
31:24
Speaker 3: so they're being overserved. And they really don't realize that
31:30
Speaker 3: they're being overserved because the alcohol is affecting their brain
31:35
Speaker 3: so they're no longer capable of making good choices. That's
31:39
Speaker 3: why in the United States it's illegal to overserve people.
31:42
Speaker 3: So it's really quite a shame because they can ask
31:46
Speaker 3: and ask for more, but Nancy, they're not aware of
31:49
Speaker 3: what they're doing.
31:51
Speaker 8: And then something tragic.
31:52
Speaker 2: Like this happens Tuesday night. Do we'll see and Meghan
31:55
Speaker 2: grabbing drinks along with pizza. Meghan is socializing with other fans,
31:59
Speaker 2: doesn't notice her inebriated after ordering drinks back to back.
32:02
Speaker 2: By seven point thirty, another passenger has taken note of
32:05
Speaker 2: Doolsey's glassy eyed slurring and struggling to maintain balance. The
32:09
Speaker 2: concerned passenger escorts Doolsey back to the room.
32:12
Speaker 10: Megan returns shortly after and is shocked by how intoxicated
32:16
Speaker 10: her mother is. She's never seen her mother in this
32:19
Speaker 10: kind of state. The mom and daughter start getting ready
32:22
Speaker 10: for bed. To save space, the pair leave their suitcases
32:24
Speaker 10: out on the balcony, so they have to venture out
32:27
Speaker 10: to grab fresh clothes.
32:28
Speaker 2: Nine p forty, Meghan notices Duolsey out on the balcony
32:31
Speaker 2: and assumes her mom is grabbing pajamas. When she next looks,
32:34
Speaker 2: she sees Doolsey sitting on the railing of the balcony,
32:37
Speaker 2: her feet dangling over the edge. Before Meghan can get
32:40
Speaker 2: to her, Doolsey slips off the balcony and Megan can't
32:43
Speaker 2: catch her as she falls into the water below.
32:46
Speaker 1: Oh my stars, straight out to the cruise ship. Lawyer,
32:52
Speaker 1: Spencer Erenfeld, you're the lawyer for Doulcy White's family. I'm stunned.
33:00
Speaker 1: She was served so much she could barely walk. Everybody
33:03
Speaker 1: let it happen. Then she falls over board. Her daughter
33:08
Speaker 1: races to catch her and couldn't make it. Is it
33:11
Speaker 1: true the ship didn't even turn around after the daughter
33:15
Speaker 1: raised the alarm.
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Speaker 8: Well, the case has just been filed, Nancy. We don't
33:19
Speaker 8: have all of the ship position logs. We don't have
33:22
Speaker 8: the captain's logs. So I have what the family has
33:25
Speaker 8: told me, which there was a delay in initiating the
33:29
Speaker 8: man overboard protocol. But once we start taking depositions and
33:34
Speaker 8: getting all of the data from the ship, I could
33:37
Speaker 8: answer that question specifically. But the allegation from the daughter
33:42
Speaker 8: who watched her mother fall to her death is that
33:45
Speaker 8: the ship did not stop, did not contact the US
33:49
Speaker 8: Coast Guard or Bahamian Coast Guard immediately, and did not
33:52
Speaker 8: initiate rescue efforts timely. But I also wanted to say this, Nancy,
33:58
Speaker 8: and I've investigated one hundred of man overboard cases. The
34:03
Speaker 8: common denominator is always alcohol, and in most cases, the
34:08
Speaker 8: over service of alcohol and cruise line do have a
34:11
Speaker 8: legal responsibility under federal maritime law to not overserve visibly
34:19
Speaker 8: intoxicated passengers. The problem is this perfect storm of the
34:24
Speaker 8: all you can drink drink package encourages people to want
34:29
Speaker 8: to get their money's worth because they've already prepaid it.
34:33
Speaker 8: And the crew members are incentivized to serve and keep
34:38
Speaker 8: serving because that's how they get tips. So the cruise
34:42
Speaker 8: lines pay these folks below a minimum wage. They're not
34:45
Speaker 8: subject the federal minimal minimum wage laws, so they're paying
34:50
Speaker 8: these guys pennies on the pennies per hour. And if
34:53
Speaker 8: they can get a dollar two dollars five dollars tips
34:56
Speaker 8: per passenger fifteen times an hour, they're gonna keep serving
35:02
Speaker 8: and scarming and sport. And it's really a recipe for disaster.
35:13
Speaker 1: Crime stories.
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Speaker 12: With Nancy Grace.
35:17
Speaker 1: To Sidney Summer joining US Crime Stories, investigative reporter, what
35:21
Speaker 1: about Williamson and Anderson? Those are two distinct maritime maneuvers
35:28
Speaker 1: that are to be employed when someone is a quote
35:32
Speaker 1: man overboard. Right.
35:34
Speaker 12: That obviously did not happen in this case. It feels
35:38
Speaker 12: like Royal Caribbean did nothing to try and save Doolcy.
35:42
Speaker 12: Despite Meghan's quick report of what happened to her mom.
35:46
Speaker 12: Meghan says she felt hopeless and that no one did
35:49
Speaker 12: anything in any timely manner. After she reported her mom
35:53
Speaker 12: fell overboard.
35:54
Speaker 10: Megan immediately reports her mother's fall overboard to crew members,
35:58
Speaker 10: but the ship does not perform a Williamson or Anderson
36:01
Speaker 10: turn to return to the man overboard location, and no
36:04
Speaker 10: rescue boats are launched. The crew doesn't even immediately report
36:08
Speaker 10: Dulcie missing, though her fall was caught on the ship's cameras. Eventually,
36:12
Speaker 10: cruise from the Royal Bahamas Defense Force and the US
36:15
Speaker 10: Coast Guard search for dulci employing helicopters, but Dulcie's body
36:20
Speaker 10: is not recovered.
36:22
Speaker 13: She did overdo it, just trying to maybe get her
36:26
Speaker 13: money is worth. I don't know. It saddens me that
36:29
Speaker 13: that is my last memory of her.
36:33
Speaker 2: From CBS, Dulce White falls from the balcony after allegedly
36:37
Speaker 2: being served one too many drinks. Her body is never recovered,
36:41
Speaker 2: leaving her family and friends in shock and mourning.
36:44
Speaker 10: Dulce White's family files a lawsuit, claiming the cruise line
36:48
Speaker 10: overserved her alcohol and delayed an emergency response. The filing
36:52
Speaker 10: alleges Dulcy was served seven drinks in six hours and
36:56
Speaker 10: eight minutes despite obvious signs of intoxication. The cruise line
37:00
Speaker 10: is accused of failing to comply with statutes enumerated in
37:03
Speaker 10: US maritime law when they failed to launch an adequate
37:06
Speaker 10: search for Julcy.
37:08
Speaker 13: It will haunt us for the rest of our lives.
37:12
Speaker 13: I feel that the over consumption of alcohol and the
37:16
Speaker 13: over service of alcohol was the cause of this.
37:21
Speaker 1: Now, for my friends at CBS, the daughter literally haunted
37:24
Speaker 1: the rest of her life because she didn't catch her
37:27
Speaker 1: mom before she fell overboard. Was it her fault? No,
37:30
Speaker 1: but I'm sure she has survivor guilt. And these two
37:34
Speaker 1: that we've highlighted tonight, Dulce and Anna, they aren't the
37:38
Speaker 1: only ones. Does the name Amy Bradley ring a bell?
37:41
Speaker 1: Because I will never forget it.
37:43
Speaker 3: Amy Bradley was twenty three and she was on her
37:45
Speaker 3: family vacation.
37:47
Speaker 9: The water was crystal clear. Her life is good, everything
37:51
Speaker 9: is great.
37:51
Speaker 8: Taught us here tomorrow.
37:52
Speaker 1: They went to bed.
37:55
Speaker 8: Around five thirty in the morning.
37:56
Speaker 9: I saw Amy on the balcony six o'clock again, she
38:01
Speaker 9: wasn't there.
38:02
Speaker 1: He said, I've been looking for Amy and I can't
38:04
Speaker 1: find her.
38:05
Speaker 8: And we check every inch of the ship.
38:08
Speaker 1: The captain came in. He says the FBN, they've search Gord,
38:14
Speaker 1: daughter's not on this bank.
38:16
Speaker 4: Now years have passed and we've had so many sightings.
38:20
Speaker 1: I saw her that from our friends at Netflix. Amy
38:24
Speaker 1: Bradley is missing. To be told by the captain, your
38:29
Speaker 1: daughter's not on this boat. How do you know that?
38:31
Speaker 1: How do you know she's not on the boat. I mean,
38:34
Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, you're joining us from port of Miami. How
38:37
Speaker 1: big are these behaymoths?
38:39
Speaker 11: They're massive, They're massive, and Nancy, if they told him that,
38:44
Speaker 11: then they knew something. They looked at the cameras, they
38:47
Speaker 11: saw a fall, they knew something.
38:50
Speaker 5: But how can you tell someone.
38:51
Speaker 6: That when you haven't even done an investigation, if you
38:54
Speaker 6: don't see your falling off the boat on a cruise ship.
38:57
Speaker 1: You know, the ship from which Anna Kevin went missing
39:04
Speaker 1: was monstrous huge. There were thousands and thousands of not
39:10
Speaker 1: only cruise ship passengers. I tried to add it up.
39:14
Speaker 1: Let's say the fourteen deck Carnival Horizon sales the carib
39:19
Speaker 1: Caribbean four thousand passengers and fifteen hundred person crew. That's
39:27
Speaker 1: at least fifty five hundred people. And they come in
39:32
Speaker 1: and tell the dad yet she's not on the ship. Okay,
39:36
Speaker 1: and there's more.
39:37
Speaker 4: Now years have passed and we've had so many sightings.
39:42
Speaker 12: I saw her.
39:43
Speaker 11: That's where I was standing.
39:45
Speaker 3: Amy's life.
39:46
Speaker 9: Your taxi driver said, your daughter, he's on this owl
39:49
Speaker 9: and she could have been lured on the ship.
39:51
Speaker 1: I saw in the rest of Bob Barbadis. I said,
39:53
Speaker 1: what's your name? Amy?
39:55
Speaker 7: I was in toros onand girl said, my name is
39:58
Speaker 7: Amy Bradley.
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Speaker 1: I need of I thought that could be Amy from
40:05
Speaker 1: our friends at Netflix. Amy Bradley missing and it's still unsaw,
40:10
Speaker 1: which goes back to Joe Scott Morgan's insistence that you
40:14
Speaker 1: have to solve the case before everyone departs from the ship.
40:17
Speaker 1: Joe Scott, I'm not sure you're familiar with Jackie Castanellis.
40:22
Speaker 1: Another similar cruise chip misshap Well.
40:25
Speaker 14: She was in New York City, waitteressing on her way
40:29
Speaker 14: to becoming a star. She went to some open call
40:32
Speaker 14: auditions and this was one of them for this high
40:34
Speaker 14: end cruise line and Alon Behold. They called her back.
40:38
Speaker 15: They liked what they saw on her and booked her
40:41
Speaker 15: onto the first of what turned out to be three
40:44
Speaker 15: cruises over the course of the next year and a half.
40:47
Speaker 15: That was her really her first big break doing what
40:50
Speaker 15: she loved doing, which was singing and performing.
40:54
Speaker 1: Robert Crispin joining us there at the Port of Miami. Robert,
40:58
Speaker 1: if they can't keep up with the safekeeping of their
41:00
Speaker 1: own employees. She was a performer, right, She was there
41:05
Speaker 1: as part of the performances that the ship puts on to,
41:09
Speaker 1: you know, entertain the passengers. They can't keep up with
41:13
Speaker 1: a star performer. She ends up dead in her room
41:16
Speaker 1: and nobody knows what happened, much less the passengers.
41:22
Speaker 11: Let me tell you some if you've ever been on
41:23
Speaker 11: one of these, they're floating cities.
41:25
Speaker 5: They can't keep track of everybody. They just can't. It's impossible.
41:30
Speaker 1: To you, Joe Scott Morgan, exactly why you were insisting
41:35
Speaker 1: that the case be investigated while everyone is still on
41:39
Speaker 1: the cruise ship, before witnesses can leave like they did
41:42
Speaker 1: in the George Smith case and evidence lost. I mean,
41:46
Speaker 1: they're never going to find Dulcie's body ever.
41:49
Speaker 7: No, no, they will not gone forever and ever. Amen,
41:54
Speaker 7: you know we're covering a similar case as well, not
41:57
Speaker 7: similar in that sense in the sense of the crew lines,
42:00
Speaker 7: but you know, we had the burning man homicide from
42:03
Speaker 7: a couple of months ago and Nancy, there were seventy
42:05
Speaker 7: thousand people at that event. There's a high probability that
42:08
Speaker 7: that will never be solved. Do you know why? That
42:10
Speaker 7: was a non permanent location where people just went into
42:14
Speaker 7: the wind from all over the world. It's identical to
42:17
Speaker 7: the cruise lines as well. You have these people that
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Speaker 7: go down there for fun. They relaxed they should be.
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Speaker 7: You've earned it, you pay for it. You go down there,
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Speaker 7: you want a taste of the good life, and then
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Speaker 7: you begin to indulge in alcohol. You meet strangers. Some
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Speaker 7: of them you don't know who they are, where they're from,
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Speaker 7: You don't know what their intentions are relative to you.
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Speaker 7: And so it's not like working in Atlanta or New
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Speaker 7: Orleans or New York or wherever where you have a
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Speaker 7: static location where you can go out and process a scene.
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Speaker 7: You can go out and canvas and interview people and
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Speaker 7: all these sorts of things. This is an absolute nightmare
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Speaker 7: scenario for everyone involved.
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Speaker 1: Spencer Aaronfield, cruise ship lawyer Dulcy is your what are
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Speaker 1: you going to do? Man?
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Speaker 8: So the first thing we're going to find is the
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Speaker 8: surveillance video. We're going to interview the servers. We're going
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Speaker 8: to find out what they saw, what they knew, what
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Speaker 8: they observed. We're going to get the ship's position log
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Speaker 8: and find out from the moment that the daughter called
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Speaker 8: the bridge and informed them that her mom had gone
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Speaker 8: off the side of the ship, how long did it
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Speaker 8: take the ship to notify the Coastguard, notify the Bahamian authorities,
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Speaker 8: and to initiate any type of man overboard protocols. There's
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Speaker 8: technology available right now that alerts the bridge without having
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Speaker 8: to have a call. It's actually mandated by funeral law.
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Speaker 8: But most cruise lines are not following this and they
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Speaker 8: do not have installed man overboard technology. To my knowledge,
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Speaker 8: the only cruise line that is really fully compliant with
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Speaker 8: that is Disney. But all these new mega cruise ships
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Speaker 8: are coming out that are floating cities. They are doing
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Speaker 8: it in contradiction to US federal maritime law and they
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Speaker 8: do not have man overboard technology. There are so many
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Speaker 8: ways now that passengers who go overboard can be found.
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Speaker 8: A simple air tag can be included on their lanyard
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Speaker 8: so that when they go overboard, they can find them
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Speaker 8: with GPS within seconds. But the cruise lines choose to
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Speaker 8: put their profits ahead of passenger safety, and they don't
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Speaker 8: invest in the technology that they're required to have, and
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Speaker 8: they can easily have to rescue people that go off
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Speaker 8: the side of ships.
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Speaker 1: Two more unsolved cruise ship fatalities. If you know or
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Speaker 1: think you know anything about these cases, please contact Miami
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