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The Late Debate | 31 March · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late Base. Well thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: Son James McPherson with Danika de Georgio and Caleb Bond,
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  Speaker 1: who I have to tell you, I think of the
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  Speaker 1: most musical people, a spy, you know. Every night, right
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  Speaker 1: before we come on here, these two are singing songs,
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  Speaker 1: and usually the ones I've never heard.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 3: So we were tonight and I was singing Diana by
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  Speaker 3: Paul Anchor and James McPherson here, and I don't say
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  Speaker 3: this to insult him, but you are older than the
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  Speaker 3: both of us, and we keep singing these songs that
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  Speaker 3: predate us, and you don't know what they are. What's
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  Speaker 3: going on?
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  Speaker 1: If it's not Billy Joel or Elton John, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know it. What more would you need to know?
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  Speaker 2: A jukebox classic hit? And he has no idea? Diana,
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  Speaker 2: Paul Anchor, come on with tell what You're so old?
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  Speaker 3: I've been told, I know. Remember last week we promised
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  Speaker 3: Janika would sing. We finally made her do it.
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  Speaker 1: Thee goochief as a duet with you every night is
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  Speaker 1: an education on the Late Debate, Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 1: The BBC says there's too many dogs getting around the UK.
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  Speaker 1: Has the whole Man's Best Friend thing gone too far?
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump unveil's plans for his presidential library. It's typically modest,
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  Speaker 1: of course, but how does it compare to Obama's? And
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  Speaker 1: theater goers now can't watch Romeo and Juliet without first
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  Speaker 1: being given a trigger warning. Have we become the softest
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  Speaker 1: generation in history? And when I ask that question, I'm talking,
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  Speaker 1: of course about Caleb and Danika's generation on my own.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to all of that shortly, but first, here's
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  Speaker 1: a question for you at home. Can you tell the
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  Speaker 1: real Justina Allen from the AI generated deep fake justin
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  Speaker 1: to Allan? Check out this video doing the rounds on
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  Speaker 1: social media showing the Victorian Premiere talking about whether character
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  Speaker 1: references should be considered by courts during sentencing.
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  Speaker 2: If you commit a crime like that, you don't have
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  Speaker 2: good character and you don't deserve glowing references.
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  Speaker 3: And I would know, like because my own character is
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  Speaker 3: pretty questionable.
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  Speaker 1: Now, for those up the back, the video was obviously
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  Speaker 1: a fake. Don't ask me how I know what about
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  Speaker 1: this photo also going viral on social media today. It
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  Speaker 1: shows the Victorian Premier standing in front of eight flags
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  Speaker 1: including the Pride flag, the trans flag, and the Palestinian flag.
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  Speaker 1: Now people were slamming just Into Ellen on social media
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  Speaker 1: for this another example of Victoria being ruined by a
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  Speaker 1: woke premiere. But of course, like the video I showed you,
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  Speaker 1: that image was also fake. Now experts are worried videos
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  Speaker 1: and images like these could cost Justin to Ellen the
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  Speaker 1: next election. Now I agree these are a problem. They
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  Speaker 1: might be the least of just Into Ellen's worries, so
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  Speaker 1: I would.
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  Speaker 2: Say so at this point, But you know what the
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  Speaker 2: thing is I feel like, and again we're not starting off.
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  Speaker 2: This is this show tonight talking about people's ages here,
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  Speaker 2: but we have to talk about it. I think this
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  Speaker 2: would probably catch an older generation out more than a
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  Speaker 2: younger because I don't know about you both, but I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I am very aware when something is fake
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  Speaker 2: and when it's not, you just know. I mean, you're
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  Speaker 2: not going to have just Into Alan putting out a
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  Speaker 2: video like that where she's swearing and carrying on. And
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't put it past us into Alan to stand
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  Speaker 2: in front of the many flags that you know of
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  Speaker 2: of every man and their dog. But she's not going
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  Speaker 2: to stand in front of a Palestinian flag. Let's be honest.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, well, if Burke did it, then I'd go
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  Speaker 2: that's undy about right.
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  Speaker 3: You'd like to think so. And I get you that
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  Speaker 3: you say you think you could pick out the fake
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  Speaker 3: in the lineup, but then you have examples like this,
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  Speaker 3: And we showed it to you a couple of weeks
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  Speaker 3: ago when it first came out. This is a clip
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  Speaker 3: put together by AI of Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt
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  Speaker 3: killed Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: He was a good man, he knew too much about
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  Speaker 1: our Russia operations.
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  Speaker 3: He had to die.
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  Speaker 1: And now you die too.
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  Speaker 3: Now if not for the dialogue, that looks pretty damn really,
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  Speaker 3: I got to say.
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  Speaker 1: That totally fooled me. I thought it was more redeeming
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  Speaker 1: fighting with that.
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  Speaker 3: That is pretty realistic, I have to say. And it
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  Speaker 3: will only get better from here, and I don't mean
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  Speaker 3: in the Tony Blear sense, but it will get better.
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  Speaker 3: This AI deep fake technology, and I really worry that
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  Speaker 3: it will get to a point where, yes, you can
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  Speaker 3: completely fabricate things in a political sense, you could completely
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  Speaker 3: fabricate something that you or you or I have said
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  Speaker 3: on television, and all of a sudden people believe we
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  Speaker 3: have said things that we have never said, and whether
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  Speaker 3: you like it or not, you then kind of have
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  Speaker 3: to answer to that and say, well, I never said
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  Speaker 3: that that was a fake. You know, you'd want to
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  Speaker 3: hope it he's actually a fake, not a David Spear's
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  Speaker 3: style fake, when he of course is video of him
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  Speaker 3: snorting coke and he said, actually it was a deep
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  Speaker 3: fake and del you're done in court for supplying drugs,
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  Speaker 3: so maybe don't try it on if it's not fake.
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  Speaker 3: But this will become so common now. I worry about
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  Speaker 3: what it will do for the justice system. Whether you'll
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  Speaker 3: have evidence being given to police and evidence being admitted
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  Speaker 3: in court rooms that isn't real. And if it becomes
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  Speaker 3: so good that it's hard to tell, this will become
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  Speaker 3: the next vanguards. They'll have to have these forensic people
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  Speaker 3: trying to work out whether everything is real or not.
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  Speaker 3: And it gives a level of plausible deniability to people
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  Speaker 3: when they actually say and do things that are wrong,
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  Speaker 3: because they will turn around and say, well, it's a
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  Speaker 3: deep fake. It's up to you to prove it's not.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, there are no protections in Australia
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  Speaker 2: currently for anything for misleading political advertisements. There are no protections.
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  Speaker 2: And they tried it over in the US a couple
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  Speaker 2: of years ago when there was a deep faith of
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  Speaker 2: a Kamala Harris election campaign, and so California actually tried
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  Speaker 2: to implement legislation around that, but it was overturned by
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  Speaker 2: federal court because of the infringement of freedom of speech.
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  Speaker 2: So again, I don't know what you can legally do
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  Speaker 2: to try and combat this other than questioning everything that
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  Speaker 2: you see online. And again, you know, we can call
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  Speaker 2: just into Alan many things, as we do call just
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  Speaker 2: into Alan many things. But I give us some credit.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that she's going to stand in front
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  Speaker 2: of a Palestinian flag.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned people been concerned about deep fakes
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  Speaker 1: of Kamala Harris, because I would have thought any video
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  Speaker 1: where it shows her talking coherently is clearly a deep fake.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned the problem with court cases calib We spoke
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  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago about family court now having
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  Speaker 1: to employ digital forensic people because so many people are
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  Speaker 1: fudging text messages and emails, creating fake ones in order
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  Speaker 1: to mislead the court system. It's a major problem. The
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  Speaker 1: other problem here on social media is you tend to
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  Speaker 1: consume social media very quickly. You don't spend it's literally
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  Speaker 1: seconds that you look at an image and then you
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  Speaker 1: flick through. So it's very easy to get tricked by
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  Speaker 1: something because you don't give thought to social media. It's
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  Speaker 1: just it washes over you without much analytical or critical
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  Speaker 1: fool I do.
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  Speaker 2: Agree, but I still maintain I think this would catch
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  Speaker 2: out an older generation more like, for example, my dad
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  Speaker 2: will sometimes send me videos and I know that they're
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  Speaker 2: deep fakes, but he'll go, oh, wow, did you see this?
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  Speaker 2: And it's so you can tell that it's fake. You
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  Speaker 2: just know that it's fake. So that's I think that
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  Speaker 2: they're probably most vulnerable to believing what is onculated with
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  Speaker 2: the technology correct, and I understand that absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: You know that the image of just Into Ellen's standing
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  Speaker 1: in front of all those flags. I won't name the politician,
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  Speaker 1: but there was a politician today who retweeted that mocking
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  Speaker 1: just Into Allen. I checked later in the day and
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  Speaker 1: it had since been deleted, so clearly that politician had
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  Speaker 1: realized belatedly, oops, I just propagated a fake.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, and we should all be more careful on these
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  Speaker 3: things now we're talking about blights on humanity, AI being
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  Speaker 3: one of them. How about dogs. Go and ask the
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  Speaker 3: BBC they reckon they are.
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  Speaker 4: Are we all becomeing two dog friendly from coffee shops,
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  Speaker 4: restaurants and retailers like I here, Zarah and John Lewis.
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  Speaker 4: Dog friendly spaces are becoming easy to come back. People
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  Speaker 4: who are allergic to dogs are afraid of them, say
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  Speaker 4: that the rise of these dog friendly spaces is a concern.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, the dog friendly spaces now look to be fair.
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  Speaker 3: I do think there is a point to be made
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  Speaker 3: here about dogs being let into too many places. I
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  Speaker 3: think there is an issue with people now treating dogs
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  Speaker 3: like their children. Basically, they think they should be able
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  Speaker 3: to take them anywhere at any time, and if you
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  Speaker 3: have a problem with their dog, it's like you've insulted
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  Speaker 3: their child. I mean, please, people, get over yourselves. But
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  Speaker 3: of course it has come amongst a broader discussion that
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  Speaker 3: has been happening in the UK recently. And I'm not
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  Speaker 3: saying this is why the BBC has done this particular story,
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  Speaker 3: but it has come at the same time as there's
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  Speaker 3: been discussions in the UK about the fact that a
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  Speaker 3: lot of minority groups are scared of or don't like dogs,
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  Speaker 3: and for religious reasons in the case of Islam, have
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  Speaker 3: an issue with dogs. You had DEFRA, which is the
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  Speaker 3: Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs in the UK,
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  Speaker 3: just last month put out a report saying that the
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  Speaker 3: countryside was too white and amongst the research it had
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  Speaker 3: done was to say that perhaps dogs need to be
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  Speaker 3: kept under tighter control in the British countryside in order
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  Speaker 3: to make people from minority groups feel more comfortable in
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  Speaker 3: the British country side. There was another report that was
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  Speaker 3: done a couple of years ago in twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 3: for the Welsh government about these matters that said that
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  Speaker 3: dogs make the countryside unsafe for certain minority groups. So
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  Speaker 3: there's a bit going on here. But I must say
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  Speaker 3: I do think that dogs are allowed in too many places.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're given too much rain and control over
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  Speaker 3: public spaces. Now it is of course up to a
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  Speaker 3: private operator to decide what they want. If you want
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  Speaker 3: to have a dog friendly cafe or a dog friendly restaurant,
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  Speaker 3: you're within your rights to do so. But I feel
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  Speaker 3: like a lot of dog owners sort of have an
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  Speaker 3: expectation now that their dogs will be able to go anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: Their dog can go to Bunnings, their dog can go
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  Speaker 3: inside the cafe, the dog can go inside the pub. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I mean I don't take my cat down to Bunnings.
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  Speaker 3: I don't take my cat down to the pub. Why
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  Speaker 3: does the dog get that treatment?
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  Speaker 1: You don't like that, do you?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: I don't look, I'm actually firstly, can't just point out
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  Speaker 2: great to see the BBC really covering the big issues
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  Speaker 2: at the moment. Terrific. Well done to the taxpayer funded department.
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  Speaker 2: There No, look, I'm actually four dogs in public places.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you why. If you go to Europe, you
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  Speaker 2: go anywhere in Europe. The dogs are always with their owners.
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  Speaker 2: I will go into shopping centers when I've been overseas, cafes, restaurants, pubs,
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  Speaker 2: the hairdresser getting your makeup done. The dog is always
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  Speaker 2: with its owner. Now, I just think that we need
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  Speaker 2: to just move with the times. People love their pets.
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  Speaker 2: People are very attached to their pets and Caleb to
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  Speaker 2: be to be fair, they are treated like children and
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  Speaker 2: to some people they are the number one companion. For
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  Speaker 2: many adults in this country, it is a combat for loneliness.
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  Speaker 2: Go out and buy yourself more.
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  Speaker 3: Like cats companions at home, but I don't take them
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  Speaker 3: out on the leash and expect them to be leading
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  Speaker 3: into the pub when I go to a happy hour.
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  Speaker 1: If cats aren't social dogs.
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  Speaker 2: That's just sorry, Caleb. But cats are just gross, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they lick themselves, pops.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so bod dogs takeing it, dump on the grass,
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  Speaker 3: don't it.
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  Speaker 1: But if you've seen dog owners walking around, I feel
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  Speaker 1: sorry for them at the beach or parks and they're
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  Speaker 1: carrying little plastic bags and they're trying to pick up there.
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  Speaker 2: But you do the right thing, you know, And I'm
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  Speaker 2: not if you've got a if you've got an uncontrolled,
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  Speaker 2: you know, mungrel of a dog out of a beast,
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  Speaker 2: please don't let it out the house, right, keep it
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  Speaker 2: inside the house. But for most I mean I'm talking
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  Speaker 2: like poodle breathes. Smaller dogs, they should be able to
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  Speaker 2: go anyway. They're not a problem. They're not a hindrance.
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  Speaker 2: And you know the BBC's go A lot of people
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  Speaker 2: have got phobias of dogs, Well that's your problem. If
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  Speaker 2: you're a phoebeia of a dog, too bad, Well you're
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  Speaker 2: not going to go outside because you've got a phobia
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  Speaker 2: of spiders. I mean, come on, don't get your.
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  Speaker 1: It has to be clear you're not an equal opportunity
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  Speaker 1: dog person. Would you would say certain dogs could go
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  Speaker 1: into a shopping center or a restaurant, but other dogs should
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  Speaker 1: stay outside, depending on size and temperament.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about if you have a mongrel beast, right,
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  Speaker 2: that's got a problem with constant barking, do not bring
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  Speaker 2: it into a shopping center. Right. But if you got
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  Speaker 2: that's the.
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  Speaker 3: Rule, we'll get the decerbil meter out once.
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  Speaker 2: You know when your dog's a mongrel, Come on, you
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  Speaker 2: know when it's a beast. You know when it's out
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  Speaker 2: of control.
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  Speaker 3: Is always thinking their dog is the exactly you're expecting
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  Speaker 3: people to then follow the rules themselves. It's like telling
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  Speaker 3: people that you know your kid is should shout up
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  Speaker 3: or whatever. Oh no, you can't say that about my kid.
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  Speaker 3: My kids the best things in slaves bread. There's no
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  Speaker 3: way he'd do anything wrong. They treat their dogs like that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry they do.
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  Speaker 2: It's a companion, Caleb. It's a companion for loneliness. And
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  Speaker 2: I do not see why you can't be sitting at
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  Speaker 2: a cap and the dog, and the dog is sitting.
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  Speaker 3: Next loneliness, go and talk to a human being at
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  Speaker 3: the cab.
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  Speaker 2: Some people prefer the company of dogs.
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  Speaker 1: Is it not a business opportunity here, Caleb that certain
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  Speaker 1: restauranteurs or cafe owns, or indeed airlines might provide services
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  Speaker 1: for people like you who don't want correct So there's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's opportunity to let the market decide.
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  Speaker 3: And I agree that the market should be able to
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  Speaker 3: decide on that matter. But it is also fair to
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  Speaker 3: raise the point. I think that perhaps we've jumped the
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  Speaker 3: shark a little bit in terms of dogs being treated
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  Speaker 3: as though they are human beings. They are animals. They're
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  Speaker 3: not human beings, and so they don't necessarily deserve the
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  Speaker 3: right automatically to be in all the same spaces as
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  Speaker 3: human beings. What you do in your home was none
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  Speaker 3: of my business, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they
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  Speaker 3: should be where all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Well, look, I think sometimes dogs have better to chat
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  Speaker 2: to than human beings. Well replaced two with.
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  Speaker 3: Dogs and Andrew mount Batten wins probably.
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  Speaker 2: The moment Andrew loves a Teddy or two.
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  Speaker 3: Well, but the poor Corgis Queens Corgies have ended up
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  Speaker 3: with Andrew right. I know I've been ragging on dogs here,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm going to defend the dogs on that point.
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  Speaker 3: They don't deserve the dogs should be getting a story
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  Speaker 3: on the A b C about how they're entitled to
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  Speaker 3: Andrew free space.
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  Speaker 1: I'll counter that with wasn't that all fit? They're a
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  Speaker 1: great dog lover, so.
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  Speaker 2: Very good point. I'll look from one extreme to another.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: I'm going to quote some literature here, O, Romeo, Romeo,
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  Speaker 2: wherefore art thou Romeo? Yes, there we go. I know
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  Speaker 2: I've got from singing to literature tonight. Look, of course,
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  Speaker 2: that is a classic line from Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet,
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  Speaker 2: the story of two star cross lovers who just can't
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  Speaker 2: be together. They fall in love, but then they commit suicide,
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  Speaker 2: going from yearning to dying. It takes you on a
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  Speaker 2: whole raft of emotions, doesn't it. Well? Look trigger warning
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  Speaker 2: because the woke left and now coming after the montagues
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  Speaker 2: and capulates. No literally trigger warning Romeo and Juliet on
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  Speaker 2: London's West End has been given. Would you believe a
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  Speaker 2: trigger warning for grief and revenge? As you can see
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  Speaker 2: this on your screen right now, The online box office
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  Speaker 2: warns theater goers the performance contains strobe lighting. The show
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  Speaker 2: deals with themes of grief and revenge and includes descriptions
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  Speaker 2: of violence. I mean, really, I did have to laugh.
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  Speaker 2: There was a quote in the article online from a
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  Speaker 2: woman called Alca Siegel Cuthbert. She is the director of
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  Speaker 2: campaign group Don't Divide Us. She was asked how theater
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  Speaker 2: goers or attendees would cope with life, and it's a
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  Speaker 2: good question. How would they cope with life if they
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  Speaker 2: are triggered by themes of revenge and grief? For goodness sake? Now,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but when I go to
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  Speaker 2: the theater, or to the movies, or to go and
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  Speaker 2: see something in the arts realm, I actually want to
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  Speaker 2: be taken on a journey. I want to be able
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  Speaker 2: to decide for myself what I want to feel, what
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  Speaker 2: emotions I want to feel. I don't want to be
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  Speaker 2: told trigger warning you might feel emotions because of grief
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  Speaker 2: and revenge. I mean, who cares? But the woke have
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  Speaker 2: been going after Shakespeare for years. I was having a
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  Speaker 2: look at this. In twenty twenty one, the Globe Theater
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  Speaker 2: devoted an entire page to cautioning adults about suicide, fake
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  Speaker 2: bud and stage combat. But it gets worse. They're also
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  Speaker 2: targeting Shakespeare. At the University of West England, they issued
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  Speaker 2: more than two hundred trigger warnings, would you believe at Shakespeare,
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  Speaker 2: including storms, extreme weather and popping of balloons. And that
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: is where we're at in society right now.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: I've got to believe this is a publicity stunt by
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: the theater to try and get media attention for free,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: because firstly, everyone knows the story of Romeo and Juliet right,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: so it's not so much a trigger warning as a
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: spoiler alert that's not going to spoil anything because we
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: all know what's going to happen when we buy our ticket.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Surely they have not done this because they believe their
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: audience are so soft that they're going to melt as
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: the story of Romeo and Juliet is portrayed before them.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: This is a publicity stunt to get themselves in the
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: paper tick and to get themselves discussed on TV tick.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Well done to the publicist.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what year Romeo and Juliet was first published, right,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: fifteen ninety seven, so we've had, you know, more than
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: four hundred years to get across the contents of Romeo
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: and Juliet and the fact that it deals with the
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: grief and revenge. I mean, have we become so infantilized
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: now that we have to be warned about absolutely everything?
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know they rate the films and the
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: TV shows and whatever, you know, m or MA or
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: PG or whatever, sexual references or mild violence or sex
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: scenes or whatever it is, right, things that you know
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: if you were a parent, and that they're basically there
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: for the benefit of parents. Actually, aren't they to say,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: you know, would I wouldn't I take my kid to
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: this film? Or you know, would I take my granny
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: to some film that's full of six scenes? Maybe not?
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: That's what it's there for. Why did you laugh at that?
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know what you'll take Redy to, but grief
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: and revenge? Like, what are they going to do now
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: when you go and see a film, it's going to
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: say someone cried in this film, just in case you
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: know you have an issue with people crying, someone dies
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: in this film. I think get over it.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: That the paper did some investigation right to come up
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: with other stage productions that had produced trigger warnings. And
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Backstairs Billy that was a play about the late Queen
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth and the Queen Mother, and it contained a trigger
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: warning that alerted people to the fact that the play
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: contained and reflected quote attitudes, language, and conventions of the
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, which are apparently nineteen seventies. You can't have
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: anything from there because it's upsetting. I wish there'd been
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: a trigger warning. The other week when I went and
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: saw Ryan Gosling's new movie Hail Mary, a trigger warning.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: This movie will make you fall asleep and regret you
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: ever spend the price on the ticket with.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: If you are so offended by going to the cinema
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: or theater to watch something to do with grief and revenge,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: then you shouldn't be going to the theater.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Don't get however, and you should have been going.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't been leaving your house clearly, and maybe you
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: need to go and get some help.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Oh for goodness, And I know I raised this a
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago. It's like on the episode the
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Germans in forty Towers Now, like you can't watch that
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: without being warned at the beginning that you know he
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: does the funny walk and there's references to the war
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: through Germans. I mean, for goodness sake, get over it.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: This stuff was written ages ago, and now we're going on. No,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: but maybe today it doesn't hold up. It doesn't matter
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: it was written years ago. You know what you're in
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: for when you turn it on. Surely we can all
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: just get on with our lives that are being warned
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: about every as though it were all terrible. I think
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: it actually makes people weaker because it suggests that there
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: is something wrong with, or something potentially wrong with a
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: play or a film or whatever that deals with revenge
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: and grief that might be sprung on you. I mean,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: have a spoonful of cement. Tough for up people.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Well here's a trigger warning for anyone thinking of moving
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to Victor Harbor. The local council doesn't like you if
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: you're over sixty. The South Australian government won the last
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: election promising that people over sixty wouldn't need to pay
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: stamp duty on a new house if they were downsizing.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: The Victor Harbor Council sought an exemption to this. They
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: wanted older people in Victor Harbor to have to pay
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: stamp duty on a new house because they wanted to
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: discourage people over sixty from moving in they were trying
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: to lower the median age. Now I should point out
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: the median age in Victor Harbor is sixty compared to
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Adelaide just thirty nine. But older people, of course didn't
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: take well to that, and so now the Council has
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: issued a groveling apology for discriminating against older South Australians
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: say they were very sorry to have offended them and
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: to have made people over sixty feel unwelcome in Victor Harbor.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure how they got away with this legally.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: For instance, if they had said we don't think a
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: policy that helps LGBTQ people throughout South Australia should apply
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to Victor Harbor because we've already got too many gay
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: people we want less of them. Or if they'd said
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: that about any other demographic in society or hell, would
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: have been raised and possibly someone dragged off to a
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: discrimination tribunal somewhere. This one seems to have just sort
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: of slipped under the carpet a little bit. They've made
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: the apology and gotten away with something that probably would
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: have wound them. As I said in legal trouble had
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: it been any other group in society.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Well, because you can flog old people. You know, they've
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: been pay too much tax their whole lives. How dare
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: they contributing to the country. I mean we should eat
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: a little more tax out of them in their final years.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, employees come on. Victor Harbor in South Australia
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: is known as God's Waiting Room. It's a seaside town
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: that a lot of people retire to. What's wrong with that?
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: I mean people want to retire, they want to go
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: somewhere nice to live out the twilight years of their lives,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: and they want to do it by the beach. What's
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: the council got to complain about. I don't know. I
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: suppose because maybe they have to provide a few more
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: services to elderly residents or whatever. But get over it.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's what your town is built on. Victor
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Harbor is built on two things. Elderly people and tourism.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: People go down there for road trips and whatever during
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: summer because it's a nice place to go. It's only
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: ninety minutes from Adelaide, so it's an easy place to
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: get to and it's a place that people retire to.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: That's what Victor Harbor is and the council turns around
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: and says, all you people living in our council who
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: are paying rate and keeping this council afloat, we think
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: you're too old and we need more young people here. Well,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: could you be any ruder to your resonence?
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I agree. Look in terms of that, I don't think
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: they handled this very well. As you said, this is
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: meant to be like a retirees community. The average age
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: is sixty. The council had initially argued that they wanted
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: to lower the median age simply because they don't have
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: enough GPS and health services to cater for what is
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: an aging population in Victor Harbor. That that was their argument.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I don't think they've handled this great, but I also
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: am not opposed to the policy as such. I mean,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I think it should be more attractive for younger people
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: when it comes to the housing market, because there is
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: obviously a perception that the older people who are aged
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: sixty and above, which is this is what this was targeting,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: have got their first homes, they've their homeowners, they've probably
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: got multiple properties, or they have owned a property at
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: some point in their lives. So why not make it
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: attractor then for younger people.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: So you're seeing you agree with what the Victor Harbor
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Council was saying that.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they handled it correctly. I'm just
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: saying I'm not necessarily opposed to a policy like this
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: that you know what, if you think it's discriminatively, maybe
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: it is. But we've got to make it more attractive
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: for younger people. That's all I'm saying.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: That they've handled it better.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Look, I don't think they handled it properly, but maybe
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: just come out and own it and say this is
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: what we're doing. Which is but.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Sorry, So the idea that well, not an idea, it's
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: policy that the South Australian government is going to provide
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: a stamp duty exemption to those over sixty to downsize.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: You disagree with that.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Well, the point I'm trying to make is I think
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: we need to make it more attractive for younger people
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: when it comes to housing. That's all I'm saying. So
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: do I think that they've handled this correctly?
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: No, I'm not talking about the Victor Harber Council. No,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about the policy itself. Yeah, that those over
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: sixty who want to downsize get an exemption from stamp duty.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Do you agree or not?
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: But what about younger people? That's the argument I'm trying
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: to make.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: But what about younger people?
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Well, but the point is, the point is this is
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: meant to be more attractive for younger people, to p
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: more younger people into Victor Harbor, right, that is the
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: point of this policy.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. The point of the policy more broadly from
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: the state government is to get older people out of
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: large houses they can get younger people into them.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that. But what I'm saying is, in
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: this case, the council had initially argued that they wanted
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: to lower the median age, so they were trying to
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: make it more attractive for younger people. That was the
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: whole point of it. And I'm not saying that I
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: necessarily agree with this policy, but what I'm saying is is, yes,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: it can be seen as discriminatory. I'm not discriminating against
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: people of a certain age by no means. But what
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I'm saying is is that if this is the policy
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: to try and make it more attractive to a younger generation,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: than I'm all for it.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: So what they should have done was the local council
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: should have come up with some incentives to encourage younger
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: people rather than taking away from older people something that
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: all of their contemporaries enjoyed but not in Victor Harbor.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I think they should have targeted young Yeah, targeted.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I think so, because look, I don't know the population.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not actually sure what the population is of Victor Harbor,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: but the majority it does account for a number of
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: older people in that area. Now, if you are running
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: out of resources in that area to cater for an
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: older generation, then you do have a problem. And to
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: be fair, Australia has an issue anyway with an aging population.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: This isn't just to do with the Harbor. But I
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: just think that there needs to be more attractive policies,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: that's all I'm saying.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Well, Victor Harber wanted to banish old people in the UK,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: the Tories want to banish cousin marriages. I think that's
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: probably a more reasonable policy. Tough to be perfectly frank,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: this has been bubbling away in the UK for a
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: little while now. It really kicked off a big time
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: about a year ago when the NHS put out a report,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: that is, the public Health Service in the UK put
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: out a report suggesting that there were benefits to cousins
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: being married and it was apparently discriminatory to advise the
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Health service to people against marrying their cousins. Now you
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: might be scratching your head and going, what the hell
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: would that be discriminatory? I mean, it's pretty straightforward, isn't it,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: and that you would advise people not to have marriages
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: and therefore probably children with their cousins. But no, in
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: the UK these days, apparently it is discriminatory and culturally
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: insensitive to bring up these issues. As we found out
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: from independent mp Ikbal Muhammad about a year ago when
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: this was being discussed, we.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Should try to step into the shoes of those who
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: perhaps are not from the same culture as ours. The
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: reason the practice is so common is our ordinary people
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: see family intermarriage overall as something that is very positive,
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: something that helps build family bonds and helps put families
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: on a more secure financial foothold.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know about you. If I want to build
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: family bonds, I go to Christmas lunch, I don't marry
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: my cousins. But that is the argument that is being
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: run so the Tories and now saying the Conservative Party
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: in the UK that they will look to ban the
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: cousin marriages in the UK. I'm sure it will open
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: up all of those arguments again. And we should note
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: that what mister Muhammad there is referring to is the
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: fact that in some communities in the UK there are
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: large proportions of people who marry their cousins. For instance,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: one study in twenty thirteen in Bradford, and this is
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: a long running study, found that in Bradford, which is
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: in West Yorkshire in England, that sixty percent of Pakistani
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: babies or babies with parents of Pakistani origin were born
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: to either first or second cousins. Now they followed that
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: study up again in twenty twenty three. It now sits
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: at forty six percent, so it is slightly lower than
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: it was, but it is still extremely high. That same
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: study also found that the likelihood of birth defects was
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: doubled if a child was born to a first or
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: second cousin. So it seems a common sense point of
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: view that you would outlaw cousins getting married, and yet
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: we have these arguments being around it somehow culturally insensitive.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it's not culturally insensitive. What about the children
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: who are put at higher risk because of this.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I mean I thought this was a note let's just
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: be a no brainer exactly.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: The first word with the second word of the headline
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: is what gets me Conservatives considering ban on cousin Marritt.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Why are they considering this? Isn't this an obvious policy
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: position to take? And clearly this has been motivated by
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Nigel Faraja's Reform Party because he will take a strong
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: stance on this. The Conservatives could have done something about
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: this when they were in government, they chose not to.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Now they're considering doing something about it as a sop
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: to those who would be tempted to support UK. So
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: you know, you can wings all you want about the
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Labour side of politics or indeed ikbal Mohammed and his views,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: but the Conservatives at this point, to my mind, aren't
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: much better if they're not prepared to take a stance
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: on no exactly.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: But also, I mean we're talking about birth defects. It's
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: actually going to be a burden on the taxpayer. If
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: you've got all these cousins inter breeding, who's going to
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: have to pay for the health services? The public health
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: service is going to be an absolute burden on the
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: British taxpayer among everything else. Well, look, the European Union,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: it seems, has finally come to its censors after years
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: of runaway and out of control migration policies where basically
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: members of the EU you don't even recognize themselves anymore.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Finally it's cracking down on illegal migration. Now at the moment,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: about eighty percent of asylum seekers who go to go
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: to Europe illegally end up staying there because European leaders
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: have absolutely no idea what to do with these people. Well,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: now the block has come up with a solution. It
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: is set to open return hubs to Africa where rejected
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: asylum seekings can be held there. So this is akin
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: to I guess an offshore detention center and offshore processing unit.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: And under these regulations migrants can be detained for up
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: to two years and monitored through electronic tagging systems. Now,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: the German Interior Minister, his name is Alexander Dobrint, said
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: the EU would look to swiftly enact the policy. He said,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: we aim to have reached agreements with third countries by
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: the end of this year to take the next step.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: The establishment of these return hubs. Look to be honest. Firstly,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I'm shocked that the European Union was even able to
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: come to a decision on this. I mean, we know
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: woke leaders, like for example, in France that they seem
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: to have this open door policy when it comes to
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: illegal migration. Macron loves an illegal migrant by the sound,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: so I can't believe they've actually come to an agreement.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: But finally a line in the sand has been drawn.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Now they are ready do this. They've got one in
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Albania that houses migrants from Italy. So I will say
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: congratulations to the attack in Prime Minister Georgia Maloney, who
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: was actually at the forefront pushing for this. I mean,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: she is one of the only European leaders with a spine,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: so good on her for saying enough is enough. She's
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: ahead of the curve. And I actually think that this
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: is a win for conservatism. We finally have some sort
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: of conservative policy when it comes to saying enough is enough,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: we've got to close our borders.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: This really shows up Keir Starma, doesn't it, because of
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: course she could not make the Rwandan thing happen after
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: talking it up. But that's what he's done. Really, He
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: keeps taking stuff a tough stance on immigration and then
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: walking it back. He gets the headline, then he does nothing.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: So he wasn't prepared to send illegal migrants to Rwanda.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Now the EU were prepared to send illegal migrants to Africa,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: and shows up just how slack the UK leadership have been.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, everything old is new again, right, and the
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: waves of illegal migration that you have had through that
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Europe basically allowed to happen and then all of a
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: sudden that, oh no, we've got a problem. Now I'm
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: going to do something about it. I mean, they should
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: have been able to see this coming, but it is
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: now so close to their faces that they have no
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: choice but to deal with it. You know, I don't
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: think they've necessarily had to come to Jesus moment. They've
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: just realized that it's gone beyond any comprehension now and
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: people aren't taking it anymore. So they've been forced to
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: do something about it. But the Albanians, the chaps who
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: have been sent off into the Albanian system, I wonder
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: how they're going with the chicken nuggets over there, because
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: remember the case in the UK, they couldn't deport the
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: fellow because he's like the taste of Albanian chicken nuggets.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: So I one day all these people are dealing with
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: the chicken nuggets over there, whether or not they're enjoying
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: the food, we.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Will forever remember that man, very very fondly. Hey, before
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: we go to a break, I want to show you
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: what Donald Trump's presidential library is slated to look like.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: He's just released some video images will put it on
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: screen for you. He's proposing to build a fifty story skyscraper,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: which is very Trump. It'll contain a life sized replica
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: of Air Force one. Plus there'll be a statue, a
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: golden one at that of Donald Trump raising a fist.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I think there's two statues that are part of it.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: It's quite elaborate and exactly what you'd expect from Donald Trump.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I actually think it looks magnificent, especially when you compare
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: it to the monstrosity that Obama has built, because his
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: presidential library really sums up the the ideologies of the
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: two different presidents.
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  Speaker 2: It's miserable, doesn't it, that one? You know how over
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: budget it was. The Obama one was slated at about
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: three hundred million US dollars and it ballooned out to
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: eight hundred million dollars.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Why because he proposed that thirty five percent of all
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: suppliers had to be from minority groups. And they had
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: hel with it, and it blew out by millions and
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: millions and millions.
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  Speaker 2: That's what DEI will do to you. I mean, I
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: love the Trump one. I think it's regal. It just
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: it's just so Trump. Oh, I think it's absolutely magnificent.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Why I don't think it's a bit more sandstone or
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: something in everything I build these days is all made
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: a glass, play whatever. Why can't we have some proper
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: architecture back? And now I have to say though, that statue,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: the Golden statue, kind of reminds me of the whole
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Kim Jong thing, you know, Krea, because they put up
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: the statues.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine how the no Kings crowd will react to seeing that.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: I know, terrible, but yeah, why don't we do some
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: you know, old fashioned architecture for once.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: You're a tough crowd, you're a tough crowd.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Caleb Bond, All right, if you think the fuel crisis
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: is anywhere close to being solved, wait until you see
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: tomorrow's headlines. That's next. All right, welcome back to the program.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Let's look at what's making headlines tomorrow, so you get
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: them all first here. And of course, as you can guess,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: the fuel crisis caleb continues to dominate.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Indeed, what a bunch of fuels we are, it says
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: on the front of the Daily Telegraph tomorrow. Don't expect
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: cheaper fuel today or a cut to the GST. Double whammy.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Motor to have been dealt a double whammy blow at
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: the Bowser, with premiers failing to agree on a plan
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: to effectively have GST on fuel and the Albernezi government
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: conceding it could take weeks for its much hyped cut
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: to the fuel excise to bring Bowser prices down, So
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: no relief before Easter. Then on the front of the
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Newcastle Herald, they say fuel excise cut no help for
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: battling farmers. Hey, what about us? Relief at the petrol
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Bowser's on the way for a hundred motorists. But farmers
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: not expecting the federal government's fuel excise cut will do
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: much to ease their price pain Rayworth Lucerne farmer Brahm
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Osbourne said that due to the diesel rebate system for
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: mining and agricultural vehicles. The excise harving would not ease
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: pressures on his family run farm. And try this one
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  Speaker 3: on Versaz on the front of the NT news tomorrow. Gee,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: they're going hard over there, says price gagers could face
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  Speaker 3: jail under historic law under the pump petrol station operas
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: caught price gouging could face two years behind bars Under
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: extraordinary Northern Territory government powers enacted to control fuel prices
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: at the pump brought into play, possibly for the first
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: time since nineteen forty nine. The Price Exploitation Prevention Act
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: gives the government powers to fine or jail petrol station
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: operators and overrule them to set the price at the pump.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: So there's a fair bit to work through there, which
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: is basically, don't hold your breath to get any kind
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: of a cut in the price. Thanks to this reduction
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: in the excise, it's not going to do anything for
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: the diesel the farmers are buying and up in the
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Northern Territory. If you happen to not pass on these cuts,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: you're going to end up in the clink for two years.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Well, let me just summarize the journey that you've just
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: taken us on Caleb wearing a mess. That is all.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: That's what we had to say pretty much. We are
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: absolutely in a mess in price.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Not much to add beyond that. I like the government's
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: force steps. Did you saw those yesterday? About what's the
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: first step? I forget what it was. The second step
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: was get Australia moving. The third step was targeted intervention.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: The fourth step was put your head between your legs
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: and hang onto your seat like your life depends on it.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: We're kind of at that point. I think everyone knows
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: this is going to get a lot worse before it
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: gets any better, and I think we can expect a
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  Speaker 1: lot more headlines like that over the next number of weeks. Unfortunately.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you might be right. Let's take a
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: look at the Australian newspaper headline tomorrow no longer a
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: low debt country. Jim Chalmers is considering increasing government spending
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: in a May budget to quote reflect the times of
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: an oil shock and cost of living pressures, with Westpac
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: forecasting labor could reap sixty billion in windfall revenues over
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: the next five years because of the Middle East War
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: and inflation. The treasurers refusal to commit to delivering net
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: savings package, and the budget comes as former New South
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Wales Premier Mike bed describe the May budget as the
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: most important in recent history, while warning Australia's status as
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: a low debt country was over. I mean we are
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: already in was it three trillion dollars worth of debt?
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Was it? So? Look, you know, I'm curious to know
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: actually about this budget because again conveniently, Jim's using the
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: war in Iran as an excuse for his own failings.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: We've seen record government spending, the subsidies, the energy subsidies
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: have ended, so of course inflation has gone back through
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: the roof. The country is in a mess. Energy prices
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: are high. Let's see what he comes up with.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Hey, well, government spending apparently, well, let's see she'll do
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: great things for inflation.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Right. I just don't understand this, you know, this phrase
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: that this budget will reflect the times? Why start reflecting
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the times? Now? No budget in recent memory has reflected
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: the times. The public service continues to grow, welfare continues
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: to balloon out, we don't spend money on defense, we
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: are ruining our energy sector. But suddenly they've decided, oh,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: we better do something that meets the times. How very convenient.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: If only they'd done that ten year years ago, seven
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: years ago, five years ago, we might have some margin
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: to get through this crisis now. The reason we don't
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: is because up until now they haven't done a budget
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: for the times. They've lived in La la land, thinking
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: will be fine, we'll kick the can down the road.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Never been gained to make a hard decision.
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  Speaker 2: Budget of band aids exactly.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Exactly the problem thing you can get, you know, bugger
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: having a budget for the times. You need a budget
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: for the next twenty thirty years. And what we are
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: talking about, you know, nothing is free, and debt eventually
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: has to be repaid, and certainly the interest payments have
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: to be paid. And who's going to end up paying
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: for all of this. It's not the taxpayer of today,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: it's the tax payer in thirty years time. It'll be
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: to some degree me. It'll certainly be my children, my
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: grandchildren will have to pay for the profligate spending of today.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: It is intergenerational theft. I think Peter Costello has referred
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: to it before. It is exactly what it is. And
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: if they don't do anything about it, they are consigning
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: the future of this country to being completely debt laid
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: and that it is not their fault and not their responsibility.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and after that little monologue calib I'd vote for
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: you if you've rendh that's the vote for the bond part.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: You've got great potential. The front page of the Adelaide
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Advertiser's got a couple of interesting stories. Malley's fees rewarding
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: the richest. Labour's free schooling plan will entrench inequality in
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: the public system principle, say, because the government will cover
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the millions of dollars extra that parents in wealthy areas pay,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: while schools in poorer areas will be locked into the
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: bare minimum. Ahead of the state election last month, the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: South Australian Labor Party pledged to make all public school
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: fees free from twenty twenty seven, in a move that
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: would save families about eight thousand dollars during their children's education.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: It's an interesting policy dilemma. They've made this decision without
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: taking into account that some public schools have more facilities
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: or more extra curricular activities for kids that now will
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: be paid for by the state government compared to other
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: public schools. So now You've got the argument that it's
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: not fair.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: It's like robbing Peter to pay Paul almost.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit. So what do you do you'd
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: be better off with a flat You must be fee
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: that you give to parents to help all of them in.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, what else can you do?
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Really, Then you can't claim that it's making public school
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: free because then there will still be some direct pay
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: on top of it.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: So is it a case of wanting the headline more
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: than policy.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: It's a difficult one to get around, isn't it, Because
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: then I mean, surely now the schools that have lower
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: fees would have an argument to go cap in hand
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: and put their fees up before this happens, so that
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: they can then cash in on it. But then the
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: state govern toll probably turn around and say get nicked.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: So is it really about improving the system. I don't know.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: It's the old argument never run an efficient organization because
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: you'll miss out on government funding if you do. The
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: other interesting story on the front page of tomorrow's advertise,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: which I'm sure Caleb will like, how's that South Australian
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: homes outdo VIC. For years, Adelaide residents have been able
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: to clap back at our Melbourne neighbors with yeah, well,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: at least our houses are cheaper than yours. Well these days, sorry,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: those days are over, as a new report reveals Adelaide's
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: median house price has overtaken the Victorian capitals for the
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: first time. So is that good news or bad news?
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Is that a boast covid?
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: It's good for people like me you own property in Adelaide,
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: I suppose, But it probably says more about Melbourne. I mean,
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean Melbourne is a much bigger city
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: than Adelaide. Clearly it chosen. People are abandoning places like Melbourne.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: They're going to Adelaide and Brisbane and to some degree
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Perth instead.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: You can't be surprised, really can you. Though? When you
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: got just into Alan Do I will say Perth is crowded.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Perth is really crowded. Every time I go back, I
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: am shocked at how many cars are on the road
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: right now. Seriously, So it's happening everywhere.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: You're they're not worried about the fuel crisis over there
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: over on the front of the Camperra Times some other
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: people who want to get hold of your money. Door
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: open for act seat Prime Minister Anthony Our has left
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: the door open to giving the Act an extra Senate seat,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: despite the coalition's populist attack. Isn't that? How do you
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: like that? The populist attacks from the coalition? We know
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: where the Canberra Time sits on this. After Opposition leader
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Angus Taylor blasted the Government for considering expanding the size
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: of the Parliament, calling a press conference on Tuesday to
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: formally oppose the proposal being considered by Special Minister of
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: State Don Farrell. Mister Alberizi chose his words on the
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: contentious matter carefully. Jeez, it was a terrible paragrapher.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: It's just long winter. Where was the very.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Situation all constructed? I'm sorry, Dana Daniel, but you try
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: be a next time. But I mean, seriously, more politicians?
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Do you need more politicians?
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: No?
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Please? No, what'sn't going to do improve anything?
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: It's not just more politicians, it's more politicians from the Act. Yes, people,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: it's a double whammy. All right, we're going to go
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: to a break when we come back. Should overweight people
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: be charged more to fly? And you troops accused of
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: blabbing operational secrets. But wait until you find out who
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: they're blabbing to. It's after the break. It's the job
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: of the National Film and Sound Archive to collect those
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: moments and sounds that reflect Australia, and they've decided the
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: arrest of Jack Carlson in Brisbane in nineteen ninety one
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: is one of those moments and sounds. Gentlemen, this is
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: democracy manifest. What is the charge?
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Eating a meal?
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: A succulent Chinese meal. So there you go. That routine arrest,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: made famous by his eloquent monologue, is now officially recognized
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: by the National Film and Sound Archive as a classic
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: moment in Australian history.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: We missed out one of the best quotes out there
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: was dictor hands off my penis. I'm sure you've seen it.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: If for some reason or another you have not seen
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: that full video, please get on YouTube after this and
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: look it up. Just put in succulent Chinese meal and
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: the whole thing is there to watch. Because the guys
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: sort of was no one really knew who he was,
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: and then he's now. He died a couple of years ago,
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: I think, but in the years before his death someone
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: tracked him down and he started doing social media videos
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: and whatever. I mean, what a true Australian character. It
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: wasn't him, by the way. Who was doing the dine
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: and dashed thing. Was someone who looked like him, and
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: they got the wrong bloke.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he what a brilliant orator, the way
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: that he spoke so eloquently while under so much pressure.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't have to.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Imagine if that had been in you know, twenty twenty
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: two rather than nineteen ninety one, he would have made
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: a fortune and become an influencer. Problem I know.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: All he would have to do is wear a kfe
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: air and Palestinian flag and he would have been in
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: the history.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Who doesn't love a succulent Chinese meal? I have to.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: And there's a horse called democracy manifest too.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Oh well, there you go, there you go. Well, how
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: do you feel about the prospect of a fat tax,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: because that's what's happening over in the US with an
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: airline called South Southwest Airlines. They are charging that customers
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: about fourteen hundred Australian dollars for eight second seat and
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: they're making this mandatory that if you're obese, you're going
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: to have to cough up. And I'll tell you what
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: hasn't gone down. Well, Goome the airport flying suf was
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: with the new plus sized policy for a wishing you look,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: why am I so nervous to fly?
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: I wore my skinniers up there today.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, I hate this experience of flying. I eat. Okay,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: you guys, I need it on the play my seat
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: belts call, don't even extend your ane.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: But I'm on the edge.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I kind of feel like she has a point.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: How do you know if a customer is obese or not?
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how they're trying to figure out what
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: is what. But prior to this policy coming into place,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: basically it was complementary for a second seat.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: If you are obese, if you're bulging onto the other seat,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: you're buy yourself two seats.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: It's not difficult. You should pay for it. Now, what
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: would you expect to find in a strip club? I
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: think you're probably guaranteed to see some big tips. And
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: the tips in this case are coming from us. So apparently, yes, I.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Wrote at a strip club next to like several military bases.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: And something I have noticed is all the military buys
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: are coming in and they're spending all their money, and
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: they're just like it's bad. Like they're like kind of
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: the Pats and they're like just coming in like, oh yeah,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: we're gonna have fun. Like we're getting what is it
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: called deploy We're going next.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Week loose nip sinc. Ships as they But you know,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: there's this business about apparently when things are going to
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: go down in the military in the US, all the
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: pizza shops around the Pentagon sell out, so they can
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: tell something's coming. Maybe this is the new vector as well,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: when they start going to the strip clubs and spending
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: their money. Wars on the way, call it dat.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: All right, that's it from us. Stick around here is
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: readA Pennahey, good night,