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HE FED THEM TO HIS PIGS _ Robert Pickton · The conspiracy

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  Speaker 1: Crime, conspiracy, murder, cult, your mom. Just kidding, we're not
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  Speaker 1: talking about your mom. But we are talking about murder today. Specifically,
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  Speaker 1: serial killers. Specifically, the Piggy Palace killer, the pig farmer killer,
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  Speaker 1: the butcher. We're talking about Robert... For those of you
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  Speaker 1: who don't know who Robert Pickton is, in 2001, Robert
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  Speaker 1: Pickton was charged for murdering 26 women, dismembering them, and
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  Speaker 1: feeding them to his pigs on his pig farm in
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  Speaker 1: Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada. Although, Pickton claimed to have
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  Speaker 1: killed 49 women between the years 1983 and 2002. And
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  Speaker 1: this quickly became the largest serial killer investigation in Canadian history.
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  Speaker 1: And this one hits really close to home, literally, because
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  Speaker 1: I lived 30 minutes away from where this took place
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  Speaker 1: and I was alive. We're not gonna talk about how
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  Speaker 1: old I am, but I remember all of this happening.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember vividly how this investigation absolutely shook the
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  Speaker 1: city and neighboring cities to their core. It was terrifying
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  Speaker 1: to know somebody so close to home was committing these
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  Speaker 1: atrocities against mothers, daughters, sisters, aunties. And it struck fear
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of people for a really long time
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  Speaker 1: because this was an extremely long, drawn-out investigation. was my
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  Speaker 1: weird awakening into not liking true crime, but being interested
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  Speaker 1: in true crime. When I was a little tyke and
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  Speaker 1: hearing about the story, I just wanted to catch them
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  Speaker 1: all like Pokemon and throw them into Satan's fire or jail.
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  Speaker 1: So that's actually why I ended up taking criminology in
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  Speaker 1: university because I really wanted to, you know, catch criminals.
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  Speaker 1: And alas, I dropped out and became a hairdresser instead
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  Speaker 1: and then randomly became a YouTuber. And I think we've
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  Speaker 1: come full circle because now I'm talking about it. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm making the best of both worlds, but I digress.
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  Speaker 1: Let's unbuckle our seat belts, go Mach 5 down a
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  Speaker 1: dirt road, slam on the brakes, deep dive through the
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  Speaker 1: windshield into this pig pen of a story. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: to it. So, Robert William Picton was born on October 24th, 1949,
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  Speaker 1: in British Columbia, Canada. And a middle child of three!
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  Speaker 1: I've never not wanted to be a middle child more
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  Speaker 1: in my life. But anyway, he was born to Leonard
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  Speaker 1: and Louise Picton, and he was raised on his family-owned
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  Speaker 1: pig farm in Port Coquitlam. His father was a farmer, obviously.
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  Speaker 1: And when he was younger, he met his 16-year younger
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  Speaker 1: wife in a coffee shop. in poor cool Quillen. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's so sweet. They probably like touched hands when she
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  Speaker 1: passed him a muffin or something and they looked into
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  Speaker 1: each other's eyes and saw how beautiful one another were
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  Speaker 1: and then they fell in love. Isn't that such a
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  Speaker 1: nice little meet cute story? Isn't it? Isn't it? Well, no,
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  Speaker 1: because they were both pieces of rotten shit. like their son,
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  Speaker 1: like mother, father, and son. All these people are POSs,
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  Speaker 1: all right? Robert Pickton's parents would make even Satan raise
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  Speaker 1: an eyebrow or two, if you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: So let's talk about Robert's mommy, Louise Pickton, first. So
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  Speaker 1: Louise was, let's just say... a kooky lady? And I
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  Speaker 1: don't think there's really any pictures of her on the internet.
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  Speaker 1: If there are, we'll put them up, but if not,
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  Speaker 1: I have a description for ya. By the time she
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  Speaker 1: was a mid to older adult, and not even older adult,
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  Speaker 1: she was in her 30s, all of her teeth had
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  Speaker 1: rotted out of her mouth because she just didn't take
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  Speaker 1: care of herself. She didn't brush her teeth, she didn't
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  Speaker 1: go to the dentist, and it's not because she wasn't
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  Speaker 1: well off. These people had money. They were just disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: The way I describe this family, it will be so
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  Speaker 1: much like Texas Chainsaw Massacre. If you guys have ever
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  Speaker 1: seen that movie and that family, how just gross and
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  Speaker 1: visceral and terrible they are. It is that like verbatim.
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  Speaker 1: It's like they were trying to be these people. And
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  Speaker 1: not only were her teeth rotting out of her face
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  Speaker 1: in her late thirties to mid forties, but also all
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  Speaker 1: of her hair fell out, which it's fine. Like it's
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  Speaker 1: fine if your hair falls out, it doesn't really matter.
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  Speaker 1: But The fact that she's just a terrible human being,
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  Speaker 1: it just makes me think she looked like that old,
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  Speaker 1: decrepit ghoul from the movie The Taking of Deborah Logan. terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: But to make up for the lack of hair on
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  Speaker 1: her head, she had a sick goatee, let me tell you.
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  Speaker 1: And a sweet mustache, according to people that she knew.
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  Speaker 1: So basically, just picture this. And to boot, her choice
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  Speaker 1: of attire, according to her friends, okay, would be a
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  Speaker 1: house dress, over top, a very loose jeans, and the
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  Speaker 1: largest scum boots possible. So she was just waddling around
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  Speaker 1: the farm. She looked like a little gremlin, man. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's kind of funny. But again,
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  Speaker 1: she's a terrible person, and we'll get to that. And
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  Speaker 1: she also was extremely short. Again, not that that matters.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just describing her to give you a picture. And
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  Speaker 1: there's not much known about Leonard Pickton and his appearance
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  Speaker 1: and how he was, because he was a pretty standoffish
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  Speaker 1: kind of father. You know, one that you want approval from,
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  Speaker 1: but you can't get, and he just beats the shit
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  Speaker 1: out of you. He's a- every time you try to
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  Speaker 1: talk to him. That was Leonard Pickton. That's basically all
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  Speaker 1: the description we have. But both of Robert's siblings inherited
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  Speaker 1: Luis's stunning good looks. But Robert was said to have
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  Speaker 1: inherited his dad's rat face. And you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: because look at this guy. Piece of shit. Rat faced.
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  Speaker 1: So it wasn't exactly the Hemsworth family, but I digress.
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  Speaker 1: So this good-looking farm family not only housed chickens, ducks,
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  Speaker 1: and dogs, but their main animal on the farm was,
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  Speaker 1: can you guess it? That's right, pigs. And when I
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  Speaker 1: say housed, I don't mean they kept them in separate
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  Speaker 1: farms or sheds. I mean they physically had these animals
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  Speaker 1: walking through their house, shitting and peeing in their house.
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  Speaker 1: And they would never clean it up. They would just
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  Speaker 1: wear their boots in the house. So this is just
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  Speaker 1: the most disgusting house you've ever stepped foot in. This
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  Speaker 1: is basically the worst case in hoarders history because what
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  Speaker 1: they were hoarding was shit. Which makes sense in hindsight
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  Speaker 1: because the entire family had shit personalities. Am I right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So the kids have to slop 200 pigs twice a day.
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  Speaker 1: And if you don't know what slopping is, that's basically
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  Speaker 1: just feeding the pigs slop. And by doing that, the
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  Speaker 1: stench and slop and just pig manure, everything would just
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  Speaker 1: stick to these kids. And they'd be coming home from
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  Speaker 1: school and doing this and going back to school. So
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  Speaker 1: the kids were known to just smell like shit, which
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I just kind of feel bad. He had
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  Speaker 1: to work on a farm. I live in a farm town,
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  Speaker 1: so that's actually very common. But usually kids shower. But
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  Speaker 1: little Robert Pickton was scared of water. So we never showered.
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  Speaker 1: Just red flag. And their father, Leonard, would also smell
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  Speaker 1: like pig shit all the time. And he would earn
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  Speaker 1: the name Piggy from the locals. But he didn't seem
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  Speaker 1: to care. He actually liked it. It's like when you
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  Speaker 1: insult somebody nicely, but then they're just too dumb to understand. Like...
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  Speaker 1: Someone went with their natural musk today, hey Leonard? And
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  Speaker 1: Leonard's just like, oh yeah, thank you so much. I
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  Speaker 1: can smell you from 10 feet away, Leonard. Wow, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Must be really strong. Leonard, you smell like shit. So
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  Speaker 1: the Pictons in general live somewhat of an isolated life
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  Speaker 1: on the farm, and the children especially, spending most of
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  Speaker 1: their time with the pigs and with each other. The
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  Speaker 1: eldest daughter, Linda, did have a bit of a social
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  Speaker 1: life and she was out of the house more than
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  Speaker 1: the boys. But the boys, mostly when they were young,
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  Speaker 1: just hung out with each other and with the pigs.
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  Speaker 1: Red flag. Number two? Three? I don't know. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to keep track. And Linda was not surprisingly the
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  Speaker 1: only one in the family that turned out somewhat normal
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  Speaker 1: because her parents actually like let her go out and
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  Speaker 1: hang out with friends and bought her new clothes, new dresses.
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  Speaker 1: She was like the princess of the family, kind of
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  Speaker 1: a princess of a filthy family. But the boys basically
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  Speaker 1: spent their entire childhoods in the slop. And this was
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  Speaker 1: partially because they actually wanted to be at home with
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  Speaker 1: each other, but especially Robert, because Robert, red flag number
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  Speaker 1: who the fuck knows, was obsessed with his mommy. Oh no,
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  Speaker 1: oh no. We know serial killers that are obsessed with
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  Speaker 1: their mommies. Uh-oh, Ed Gein, Ed Kemper. Oh, Ed's. I
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  Speaker 1: guess this is Robert. I don't know. Either way. I'm
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  Speaker 1: seeing patterns. I'm seeing patterns. They're gonna keep happening. Robert,
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  Speaker 1: like many other serial killers, had a very unhealthy attachment
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  Speaker 1: to his mother, Louise. And the only relationship he shared
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  Speaker 1: with his father, like I said before, when he even
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  Speaker 1: bothered to acknowledge Robert's existence, was to beat the shit
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  Speaker 1: out of him and be verbally abusive as well. And
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  Speaker 1: Robert was, let's just say, not the sharpest tool in
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  Speaker 1: the shed. He was known for only taking special ed
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  Speaker 1: classes when he was in school, and he would drop
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  Speaker 1: out when he was a freshman in high school. So
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  Speaker 1: between always smelling like manure, being antisocial, loving his mommy
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  Speaker 1: a little bit too much, and not being the brightest
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  Speaker 1: monkey in the barrel. Robert Pickton got picked on quite
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  Speaker 1: a bit, believe it or not, which I don't condone bullying,
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  Speaker 1: but now that I know that this man literally is
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  Speaker 1: the worst human being alive, I don't really give a shit.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the ways he would cope with being
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  Speaker 1: bullied would be to go home and hide in a
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  Speaker 1: fresh hog carcass until he felt better. So it's like
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  Speaker 1: The Revenant, except he didn't do it to live. He
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  Speaker 1: did it to... I don't even, I don't, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: There's so, I... I don't know. Guys, I... I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I look like a freaking dweeb with my glasses,
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  Speaker 1: but I literally can't see if I'm in focus or not.
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  Speaker 1: And I cannot see the document that I wrote. So
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  Speaker 1: I got to go back to the glasses and sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Sexy secretary, criminal Chris coming at you. Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Now at 12 years old, Robert would have an important
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  Speaker 1: moment that happened in his life that he would go
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  Speaker 1: on to tell anybody that would listen as he became
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  Speaker 1: an adult. Robert at 12 years old would go to
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  Speaker 1: a livestock auction with $ 35 of his own money that
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  Speaker 1: he saved up. And for those of you who don't know,
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  Speaker 1: livestock auctions are where you buy animals often to either
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  Speaker 1: have on your farm or just to butcher. Anyway, he
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  Speaker 1: would go to that livestock auction and he would spend
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  Speaker 1: his $ 35 on an adorable little calf to raise. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: like a little cow. So cute. I love it. And
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  Speaker 1: he would go on to raise this calf for a
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  Speaker 1: few weeks and he was loving it. He was having
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  Speaker 1: a good time. And then one day he would come
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  Speaker 1: home from school and he would look for his calf
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  Speaker 1: and he would say, dad, where's my calf? I can't
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  Speaker 1: find it. Do you know where I put my calf?
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  Speaker 1: And his father would say, Oh, son, have you looked
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  Speaker 1: in the barn? And little Robert would say, No, father,
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  Speaker 1: but I will. Thank you for letting me know. So
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  Speaker 1: he walked over to the farm and he looked for
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  Speaker 1: his little cow companion. And when he opened the doors
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  Speaker 1: to the barn, he saw he gazed upon his spotted
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  Speaker 1: friend hanging from his feet from the ceiling with his
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  Speaker 1: throat cut bleeding into a bucket on the ground. And
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  Speaker 1: as he started to realize that his calf compadre had
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  Speaker 1: been butchered beyond belief, he heard a little chuckle from
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  Speaker 1: behind him and it was his father. who was just
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  Speaker 1: playing a fun little prank on little Ricky. Like, can
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  Speaker 1: you imagine? Can you imagine your father doing that? So
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  Speaker 1: as you can see, you can really start to smell
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  Speaker 1: the cereal pot of stew brewing. No, boiling, I think. Like,
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  Speaker 1: can you imagine your dad calling you downstairs to prank you,
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  Speaker 1: and he's just hiding behind the corner, and he's about
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  Speaker 1: to scare you when you come down, and he's like, ah! Also,
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  Speaker 1: taxidermied the cat on the kitchen counter. Am I right? No?
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  Speaker 1: Too far? fair. Anyway, I do feel bad. I feel bad.
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  Speaker 1: That's f * * * ed up. That's f *
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  Speaker 1: * * ed up to witness as a kid. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's probably not going to make or break you as
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  Speaker 1: a serial killer necessarily, but I can't imagine experiencing that
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  Speaker 1: as a child. Like, there are plenty of people that
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  Speaker 1: are raised in less than ideal situations, and even on farms. Like,
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  Speaker 1: if you live on a farm, you know that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the pets and stuff have to get butchered
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  Speaker 1: and stuff, and these people grow up being normal people
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  Speaker 1: and don't end up, you know, butchering almost 50 women,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm not going to give him any... leeway, if
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  Speaker 1: you will. So when Robert was 14, he and his
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  Speaker 1: family would move to a different pig farm in Coquitlam,
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  Speaker 1: British Columbia, Canada, which was just about like 20 minutes
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  Speaker 1: away from Port Coquitlam. And Linda, Robert's older sister, would
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  Speaker 1: take this opportunity to get the fuck out of town, man.
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  Speaker 1: She went to Vancouver to stay with friends and relatives
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  Speaker 1: and she was like, bye bitches, y'all are fucking disgusting
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  Speaker 1: and I'm peacing out this bit, bye. 10 points for Linda.
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  Speaker 1: We love Linda, boss ass bitch. She got out of
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  Speaker 1: there at the right time, let me tell you what.
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  Speaker 1: Because this would be the farm where all of the
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  Speaker 1: heinous crimes and atrocities would take place in the years
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  Speaker 1: to come. And this place literally looked like a horror
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  Speaker 1: movie set. It's like the biggest horror movie trope location
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  Speaker 1: you've ever seen. Like this is a farm you would
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  Speaker 1: see when you're walking by and be like, somebody definitely
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  Speaker 1: got murdered in that farm, I tell you what. Did
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  Speaker 1: you guys hear that scream? And this land was literally
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  Speaker 1: littered with quicksand spots that you could very much potentially
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  Speaker 1: die in if you stepped in. And to top it off,
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  Speaker 1: there was a creepy, smelly lagoon at the back of
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  Speaker 1: the property. Really, all that was missing was a creepy
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  Speaker 1: guy in overalls that preyed on helpless women. Am I right? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's this guy. Again, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, man. That's all
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  Speaker 1: I could think of. So this farm had over 700
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  Speaker 1: pigs on it. 700. 100 pigs. And a couple hundred
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  Speaker 1: chickens stuffed into a couple different sheds and barns. And Willie,
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  Speaker 1: aka Robert, and Dave, just about to be out of
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  Speaker 1: high school, were slopping the pigs three times a day
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  Speaker 1: at this point. So they'd slop in the morning, they'd
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  Speaker 1: slop at lunchtime from school, and they'd slop at night,
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  Speaker 1: and they'd slop at night. That's hard to say. All
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  Speaker 1: while never taking a shower. Well, Dave sometimes took a shower,
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  Speaker 1: but Robert literally never took a shower. He would have
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  Speaker 1: to be forced to take it. and no one was
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  Speaker 1: really doing that. So this guy was a piece of
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  Speaker 1: shit that smelled like shit. It's just shit. And just
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  Speaker 1: like at the other farm and house that they had,
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  Speaker 1: they would continue to let animals come in and out
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  Speaker 1: of their house as well. Pissing and shitting and eating
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  Speaker 1: whatever they could find. And at 15, Robert would get
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  Speaker 1: kicked out of high school for showing his nudie magazines
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  Speaker 1: that he brought. Like the ones where like you hold
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  Speaker 1: it up and it, and like the girl's wearing a dress,
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  Speaker 1: but then it drops down and then it shows her bosoms.
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  Speaker 1: He got kicked out of school for that. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like kids don't get kicked out of school. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like that's not that bad. I mean, again, he's a
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  Speaker 1: piece of shit, but I don't think that's that bad.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, his mother was very happy because she got
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  Speaker 1: to spend more time with her son and she had
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  Speaker 1: a full-time employee on the farm now. Now, Dave, Robert's brother,
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  Speaker 1: on the other hand, was at this point getting very
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  Speaker 1: popular amongst his peers. He had more of a social group,
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  Speaker 1: he dated girls, he showered, but he was not an
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  Speaker 1: innocent guy, to say the least. And his rap sheet
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  Speaker 1: started when he was only 16 years old. In 1967,
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  Speaker 1: at the age of 16, Dave was driving his truck
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  Speaker 1: and he would hit a boy walking home from school.
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  Speaker 1: It was a 14-year-old boy named Tim Barrett. And after
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  Speaker 1: hitting him, he would severely injure Tim Barrett. And Tim...
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  Speaker 1: was lying on the ground, but Dave would hop back
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  Speaker 1: in his truck and drive straight home and not call
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  Speaker 1: for any help. And after he drove straight home, he
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  Speaker 1: told his parents what had happened. And what did they do?
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  Speaker 1: They called the cops, right? They did the right thing, right?
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  Speaker 1: They called the cops and said, oh my goodness, my
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  Speaker 1: kid hit another kid and it's just terrible and we
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  Speaker 1: need to figure this out. Nope. Leonard, Dave's father, went
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  Speaker 1: to his truck, cleaned off all the blood, and began
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  Speaker 1: to fix it as to cover up the crime. And
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  Speaker 1: Luis went Mach 5 down the dirt road to where
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  Speaker 1: Tim Barrett was and proceeded to roll him off the
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  Speaker 1: road while he's barely conscious, dump him off into an
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  Speaker 1: embankment that was slightly flooded, and hope that no one
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  Speaker 1: would find him and that he would just die. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is kind of where I'm saying that his parents
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  Speaker 1: were pieces of shit. And that is precisely what would
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  Speaker 1: happen when Tim was found a few days later. The
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  Speaker 1: truck hitting him is not what caused his death. He
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  Speaker 1: died by drowning. So Louise Pickton actually killed this kid.
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  Speaker 1: And the only reason why we know that is because
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  Speaker 1: Louise later on in life told one of her friends
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  Speaker 1: this is what happened. So this is just a family
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  Speaker 1: full of psychopaths, a family full of just filthy mongrels.
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  Speaker 1: And despite being fairly well off with their farm business
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  Speaker 1: and with their meat locker business, where they would hold
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  Speaker 1: processed meat for people to come and pick up to
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  Speaker 1: consume later on, or hold meat that they butchered for people,
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  Speaker 1: this family would still go to local dumpsters and just
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  Speaker 1: hoard anything they could find. And eat anything they could find.
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  Speaker 1: These people were rich. Like, they were well off into
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: millionaires at this point, but they were just just Fucking filthy,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know how else to say it. So if
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: you were to go onto this property, there would just
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: be garbage everywhere, and the house would just smell terrible.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: So by the early 70s, the Picton brothers were starting
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: to establish their career paths on the farm. And these
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: are the careers that they would continue to have for
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: the rest of their lives, or until... Somebody went to jail.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Dave was working in demolishing and construction, and Robert was
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: working as an apprentice butcher. Red flag. And it was
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: also at this time that Robert would gain the hobby
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: of writing to pen pals. Oh, that's fun. I used
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: to write to pen pals. That was very fun. I
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: loved doing that. And his favorite woman to write to
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: was Connie Anderson, who lived in Michigan, USA. And when
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Robert was 24, he would take a road trip for
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: the first time out of the country and go to
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Michigan to meet Connie IRL. N-G-L-L-O-L-X-O-X-O Gossip Girl. Sorry. And
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: shortly after he got down there, they actually got engaged,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: but it did not last long at all because Robert
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: needed to go back to the farm in Canada, and
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Connie had a job where she couldn't leave in Michigan.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna say this, Connie, you dodged a bullet, alright?
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Or should I say a psychotic, mass-murdering, corpse-feeding human butcher?
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Am I right? Anyway. So Robert would inevitably go back
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: home and continue working on the farm, and continue working
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: as a butcher. And finally, in 1978, Leonard Picton, Robert's father,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: would pass away at the age of 91. And the
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: year after, his mother, Louise Picton, would pass away as
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: well at the age of 67 with the cause of cancer.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: And you know what that means when both the parents
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: are dead. Bring out the will! I don't care, they're
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: pieces of shit. So at this time, the farm and
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: the property, despite it being absolutely disgusting and full of garbage,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: was worth a whopping million dollars in 1979. And each
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: child would individually get $ 90, 000. And Robert's siblings would get
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: the money right away, but Robert would have to wait
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: until he was 40 years old to receive that $ 90, 000,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: which was really interesting. But Robert, being his mommy's favorite,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: would receive an extra $ 20, 000 upfront immediately. And we don't
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: really know why that is, but we're assuming that she
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: just wanted him to remain working on the farm, and
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: she was his favorite, so she gave him a little
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: extra cash. I don't really know. So this is when
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Robert and Dave would start their junkyard on the Picton property.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: They would basically start going around and buying used cars
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: and scrap metal to put on the farm. And his
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: meat business was also starting to grow in the community
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: as well. For the business, he would go to animal auctions,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: buy animals, take them back to the farm, and butcher
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: them for the locals. Whether it was cows, goats, pigs, llamas,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: and even emus. I don't know who the f *
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: * * is eating emus up here. I've never seen
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: one in my life, but you're.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: F * * * ed.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really care about the emus. They're
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: like giant dinosaurs, and I'm terrified of birds, so... But
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: what his customers didn't know is that Robert would save
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of money by picking out animals that often
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: were like sickly and diseased and were filled with sores
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: and pus, which is so disgusting. But he's a business
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: savvy man. I gotta give him that. And Robert's method
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: to butchering these animals would be either to cut their throat,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: or shoot them in the head with a nail gun
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: to end their life. And then he would punch a
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: hole through their ankles and string them up upside down
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: to bleed them out into a bucket. And after that,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: he would proceed to dismember the animal and butcher it.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: And this would be the almost identical process carried out
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: by Robert Pickton to murder the dozens of women in
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: this slaughterhouse as well in the years to come. And
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: body parts of these women would accompany animal parts as well,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: as Robert would bury them in 40-foot holes around the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: entire property. Not only was he about to murder dozens
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: of women in the near future, but he would also
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: use this property for other criminal activity as well, including
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: running a chop shop for the Hells Angels. And for
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: those of you who don't know, the Hells Angels are
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: essentially a very large criminal biker gang that is very
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: prevalent to this day. I actually know people who have
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: ended up in the Hells Angels, and these crimes span
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: anywhere from money laundering, car theft, murder, etc. to get
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: into this gang. So just not great people. to associate
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: yourself with. Except if you're a serial killer, sounds about right.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: So in 1980, Robert Pickton would start taking the excess
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: animal parts to a rendering plant in Vancouver, British Columbia,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: which is about 20 minutes away from Coquitlam, and it
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: was called West Coast Reduction. Essentially, a rendering plant is
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: where you take animal parts that are not fit for
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: human consumption and they ground them down into a paste
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: of sorts that they can use in cosmetics, soap, paint, etc.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: And I bet you can guess where this is going.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Remember when I said he butchered women and got rid
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: of them in the same way he got rid of
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: the animal parts? Yeah. So there was literally human remains
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: being dropped off at this rendering plant and unknowingly processed
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: by the people at the rendering plant and shipped out
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: around BC and all of Canada. And whatever scraps he
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: did not take to the rendering plant, he fed to
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: his pigs. And it just makes me sick to my
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: stomach too. I can't even imagine the amount of disrespect, disdain,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: and just disregard for human life Like I said in
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the beginning, these are mothers, these are daughters, these are sisters,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: and he's just disposing of them like animal scraps. I
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: truly hope this man is just rotting away in jail
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: with the never-ending existential dread and fear of the fact
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: that he is going to be burning in an eternal
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: flame for the rest of his godforsaken death. You know,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I have the utmost sympathy for the victims and their families,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: and I just... Always wanna reiterate that. Anyway, so after
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Robert would drop off the scraps at the rendering plant,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: he would be only a block away from his future
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: hunting ground, which was East Hastings, Vancouver, which was a
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: strip in which homeless and prostitutes were roaming in the hundreds.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: It was also known as the prostitute stroll and still
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: is to this day. Most of you won't know this,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: but I know this very intimately because I've spent a
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: lot of time in Vancouver. It's really not that far
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: from me. And I also on a yearly basis, go
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: down there to give out food and clothes to the
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: homeless there. But this street is in horrible condition. It
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: is extremely unfortunate, and I feel bad for a lot
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: of these people. I know, you know, a lot of
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: people can't control what happens in their life, and a
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: lot of people can, but it's just extremely sad going
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: to this street. I know a lot of people that
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: have visited here, and they see these tastings, and it's like,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: it's like The Walking Dead. to be honest. So this
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: strip was essentially a serial killers playground, especially at this time.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: And the police, quite frankly, did not give a flying
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: fuck what happened to any of these people on East Hastings.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: So it was basically a free for all. And we
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: do know that another serial killer working around the exact
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: same time, Gary Ridgeway, was said to have picked up
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: at least a few victims on East Hastings. And we
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: know that because when the police caught him, they would
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: find a map in his truck with the exact location circled.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And another serial killer that was active at the time,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Gilbert Jordan, was working in this area and was said
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: to have murdered numerous female prostitutes, specifically indigenous women, which
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: was and still is a massive problem in British Columbia, specifically.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Not only to- but just in regards to Indigenous women
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: in general. We have what's called the Highway of Tears
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: in British Columbia, and over 40 Indigenous women have gone
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: missing and have been murdered on that highway, and there
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: has been little to investigate it. And it's just heartbreaking. Like,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I really hope that I can bring some sort of
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: light to that. Like, it's just, I feel so bad
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: for the families of these women and for the victims themselves.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: But this was very common in that time and in
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: this location. And also it was common throughout the states
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: as well, especially in California with African American prostitutes as well.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: The police just didn't care. And that's what's so heartbreaking
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: about the story. And that's how Robert Pickton was able
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: to murder for so many years because the judicial system
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: was so flawed and people... weren't considered as people if
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: they did a certain job, which is absolutely bullshit. And
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I truly hope that anybody that has family that has
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: experienced this gets justice one day. So in saying that,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: let's continue. So the RCMP, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the Canadian FBI, if you will, these guys, I know,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: we never updated the uniform or the transportation. I don't
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: get it either. Anyway, the RCMP did try to help
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the Vancouver Police Department in the early 90s during this investigation,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: starting Project Eclipse with a team of profilers in Vancouver.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: But it ended up not really going anywhere because the
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Vancouver Police Department didn't know at all what to do
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: with their findings, because they're idiots. I don't want to
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: say that about all of them. This is very, like,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: when I talk about the Vancouver Police Department in a whole, like,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: they neglected and they were not good in this case,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: but that comes down to the higher-ups. Like, I'm sure
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: that there were so many wonderful police officers that really
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: wanted to make a difference in the situation, but they
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: can't do anything if the higher-ups don't provide funding and
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: don't assign them to these cases. So when I talk
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: about the Vancouver Police Department being neglectful, I'm talking about
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: a few certain people that were prideful, ignorant, spiteful, and neglectful.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: And it was even more frustrating because Kim Rosmo, a
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: world renowned profiler, worked within the Vancouver Police Department. But
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: everyone around him in the department despised him and refused
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: to work with him just because he was a profiler
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and a higher up and he worked his way up
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the ranks a lot quicker than the police officers did.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: And it just reminds me of like every Criminal Mind
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: episode when the FBI shows up to that small town
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: police precinct, and the police chief is just like, what
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: are you guys doing in our town? We don't need you. Uh, well,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: there's a guy running around that has killed 15 people,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and you're sitting in your chair with your, getting your hand,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: while googling a very specific corn site that your wife
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be too happy you're looking at. Isn't that right,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Big Chief Daddy 69? How did you know that? We're
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the FBI chief. We're always watching. Anyway, Rosmo developed what
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: is known as geographic profiling, which essentially states that serial
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: killers often start within an area that they know best
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and slowly over time work their way further and further
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: outside of their comfort area in killing people. He literally
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: built an entire topographical computer program based off of this theory.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: And it was incredibly helpful worldwide. Like, people were using
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: it everywhere. But the Vancouver Police Department... They're too smart.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: They didn't need him. Nah, we're good. You built that.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: You built that. You spent years developing that and it's
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: worked for everybody else. Nah, we're good. Thanks, Zoe. That's
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: nice to know, but no. And considering that this is
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: exactly how Robert Pickton's case worked with him working within
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: his area and then working his way out, if they
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: did use Kim's method, they definitely would have caught Robert
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: a lot sooner. So we don't know for sure if
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: this was Robert Pickton's first victim, but it's a very
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: high chance. that Wendy Louise Allen was Robert Pickton's first
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: victim because she was last seen being picked up by
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Robert on March 30th, 1979 and would never be seen again.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: And she would be the first of many over the
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: next 20 years. His next victim was Rebecca Guno, who
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: disappeared on June 22nd, 1983, followed by Yvonne Marlene Abagosis
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: on New Year's Day, 1984. So you'll notice how the
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: time periods between murders slowly gets shorter and shorter. He's
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: waiting a long amount of time to start, but then
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: you see how he gets more and more comfortable and
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: sees that the police aren't really caring or not really investigating,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: so they'll start to... become a lot more frequent. And
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: in 2004, a former sex worker reported that she did
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: report a friend that underwent an assault and a disappearance
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: all the way back in 1984 on East Hastings, but
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: it was never investigated. And that's a pattern that'll keep
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: happening as well. A lot of sex workers noticed that
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: their friends were going missing and would report it. The
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: reports would not get investigated. So back on the farm
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: at this time, this started to become a place to
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: hang out for criminals, basically. It It became the place
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: to be for lowlifes in Coquitlam. It was a place
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: to drink, to party, and commit crimes. Am I right?
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Just kidding. And this would be the most ideal crowd
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: to be associated with for Robert Pickton and Dave Pickton.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Because all of these people didn't give a single f
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: * * * what they were doing. To be fair,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: most of them didn't know what to extent that they
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: were doing these crimes. But still, they didn't care. They
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: just used them for their property basically and piggybacked off
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: of them. Am I right? It's a terrible joke. But Dave,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Robert's brother, like I said before, was the social one
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: of the two. And he would be the one to
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: socialize with everybody. And everybody would kind of just keep
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: their distance from Robert because he was widely known as
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: just f * * * ing weird. And he would
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: never let anybody go into his room, which who the
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: f * * *? Basically, Dave was the cool brother,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: and Robert was the really weird brother that just came
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: along to hang out because your mom said he had to,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: and people just tolerate him because they had to. Now,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: despite being a weird, smelly f- Robert always managed to
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: maintain at least one relationship with a woman at a
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: time and a non-violent relationship at that. And one of
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: those women was Tanya Carr. She would end up moving
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: in with Robert when he eventually moved into a trailer
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: on the property for 18 months. 18 months this woman
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: endured this man's stench and presence. But during these 18 months,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: it was said and is kind of widely known that
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Robert didn't murder anybody during this time or within about
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: a three year, there was about a three year gap
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: between him murdering people. So her presence clearly changed something
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: within him. I'm not sure how that works, but unfortunately
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: she would leave and shortly after that murders would start
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: up again. So from 1992 to 1995 there wasn't any
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: murder happening that we know of. of, but I think
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: after Tanya left this might have triggered something within Robert
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and shortly after he would take four women to his
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: farm and they would never be seen again. And the
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: only reason we know that is because of a survivor
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: by the name of Tracy gave testimony about it. Tracy
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: was approached by Robert on these tastings in 1995 and
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: he was looking for a BJ. Gross. And Tracy said
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: she almost didn't get in the truck because the smell
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: was so rancid. But Alas, she did end up getting
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: into the truck, and Robert picked him, would drive the
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: 30 minutes back to his farm, where they went to
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: his trailer, which she said didn't smell much better than
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: his truck. Anyway, something that Tracy did notice was that
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the trailer was filled with women's clothing and jewelry, which,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: red flag, number... No, but she ignored that and she
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: went back, did her job. And then when it came
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: time to pay her, Robert would look for his wallet
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: and then accuse Tracy of stealing the money from him.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: He would then grab a knife and put it up
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: to her face and cut two buttons off of her shirt.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: But she was able to talk him down and he
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: ended up driving her back to East Hastings. But on
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the drive home, he would brag about how he was
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: a white knight and a savior of and would try
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: to give them a second chance by getting them off drugs.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: And if he didn't get them off drugs, or if
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: they relapsed after he tried to save them, he would
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: murder them. He just blatantly confessed to this woman that
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: he had killed multiple women. And this is something that's
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: very common amongst serial killers, especially ones that go after
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: women of the night, if you will. They have like
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: this white knight savior complex. and then they also have
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: this god-like complex that they can rid people that are
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: less than them from the earth, and Picton was very
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: much one of these killers. So going back in time
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: a bit, Robert used to have a friend when he
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: was a child named Lisa Welds, and they would eventually
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: grow up kind of separated and apart, and then Lisa
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Welds would end up actually having a kid with Dave Picton,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Robert Picton's brother, and she would end up living on
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the property and becoming very close with Robert as well. like,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: as friends. And he would kind of listen to whatever
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Lisa said. Lisa was the only one that could convince
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: him to f * * * ing shower. So they
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: were very close. And she also remained steadfast that she
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: did not know any of the crimes that were happening
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: when they were happening. Which, like, come on. She was
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: even quoted as saying, You know, I always had it
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: in the back of my mind that Willie was a
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: serial killer. I was never afraid of him myself. I
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: knew he would never hurt me, but everyone else... Wow.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: But she says she didn't know that he was doing anything,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: but she had a really good idea. Hey, maybe listen
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: to your instincts. All right. I don't know. I don't know.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe look around a little bit. I don't know. So
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: this is now around the time where Dave and Robert's
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: parties on the farm were getting bigger and bigger. And
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: they were selling a lot of meat during these parties.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: and finding a lot of success. So they figured, hey,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: might as well make this into a proper establishment. And
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: that is when the Piggy Palace would become a lucrative
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: business on the property. And it would be at this
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: time where Robert's victim count is now getting into the teens.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: at this point. But this place was legit. They had security, food, bartenders,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: live music, a dance floor. Like this place held a
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: lot of people. On a good night, the boys would
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: be bringing in ten to forty thousand dollars. Like this
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: was the place to be. And these Piggy Palace parties
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: weren't only attended by like low-life criminals at this point.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: They were attended by like off-duty officers and just regular
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: locals at this point. Like this was like the Piggy
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Palace was the place to party, you know what I'm saying?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: So in 1995, a victim of Roberts was found for
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the very first time out of all of his victims
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: so far. unrecognizable and unable to be identified because all
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: that was found was one half of her skull that
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: was cut in half. And this was found in a
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: lagoon of sorts off of the property. So she was
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: considered a Jane Doe. But by the time she was found,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: it's probable that Robert had killed almost 20 women at
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: this point. And when police would go and investigate this
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: piece of evidence, they would note that the skull was
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: cut in half and it was cut in half with
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: a saw. And it was assumed that it was done
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: by somebody with a butchering history. Hmm, who do the
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: cops know that they are friends with that butcher things
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: on a regular basis? It's right there! It's fine. And
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: they would find a particular substance on the skull that
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: meant that this piece of bone was kept in a
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: freezer for a very long amount of time before it
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: was discarded. And later on, when Robert would eventually be caught,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: they would find a rib bone on Robert's property that
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: would match the DNA of the skull, so we know
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: it was Robert's victim. And they would find two other
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: heads cut in the exact same way as the skull,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: found in the swamp in one of Robert's freezers as well.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: But those heads were found on the farm in 2002.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: And the skull from the swamp was dated all the
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: way back to 1994. So that just shows that he
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: was already in this comfortable killing routine for the past
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: 10 years, using the same methods on his most recent victims.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: And we don't know how this head ended up off
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: of his property, given that it was the only piece
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: of evidence that was ever found off of his property.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: My guess is that he was probably dropping something off
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: at the rendering plant and found that this head was
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: in there and maybe threw it out the window or something.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. And I don't think we'll ever know.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: And we do know that Robert would never take heads, hands,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: or feet to the rendering plant because they were too
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: recognizable and he didn't want to run the risk of
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: people seeing that. So he might have just taken the
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: head by accident. I don't know. Like when you forget
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: your keys. I don't know how that works. So by
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: early 1997, Robert's victim count was almost at 30 at
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: this point. And it was at this time the women
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: of the night were getting more and more apprehensive about
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: getting into Robert's vehicle or anybody's vehicle at that point.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: especially going to a much further location like Coquitlam, because
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: it was about 30 minutes away. But Robert didn't really
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: have an issue with this, because he would just offer
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: them a lot more money than they would sell their
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: services for. And he would also offer them drugs on
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: top of that as well. Because at this point, Robert
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: was a millionaire. Dave and Robert were doing very well
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: with the Piggy Palace, the meat locker, the chop shop yard.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: They were doing very well for themselves. So he was
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: able to throw money at whatever he wanted. And if
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: he ended up murdering somebody, he wouldn't have to pay
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: them at all. But this is one of my favorite
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: parts of this story. So one night, Sandra Ringwald, a
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: boss-ass queen bitch. She's not a bitch. She's awesome. A
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: working girl from East Hastings got into Robert's truck and
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: took the half an hour trip back to his pig farm.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Once they entered his trailer, she took notice that a
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: large kitchen knife was just sitting on the kitchen counter.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: And then she proceeded to go back into Robert's bedroom,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: which was just a gross mattress on the floor. And
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: she would have intercourse with him. So after her services
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: were complete, Robert would go to pay her. And Sandra
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: would ask to use his phone so she could call
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: her pimp to say that she was done her services.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: and that she was on her way back to East Hastings.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: And while she was looking at the phone book to
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: look up her pimp's number, she would feel that Robert
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: was approaching her from behind and before she could do anything,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: he grabbed her right wrist and slapped on handcuffs. But
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: before he could grab her left wrist, she flung around
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: and went into full bad bitch beast mode and started
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: to beat the shit out of Robert. And while she
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: was doing this, she recalled the knife that was on
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: the kitchen counter and she would pick it up and
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: start slashing at Robert. slitting his jugular and stabbing him
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: in his face through his cheek, cutting some of his
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: jawbone and breaking out some of his teeth. Fuck yeah,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: it's fucking metal, dude. And although she got these blows in,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Robert was just fucking Frankenstein and just kept coming towards her.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: So Sandra realizing she had no other option, she just
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: ran and busted through Robert, busted through the trailer door,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: and got outside. But Robert would follow quickly behind her
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: and wrestle the knife out of her hand and end
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: up stabbing her twice in the abdomen. Luckily, he was
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: starting to get weak from blood loss, so she was
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: able to wrestle the knife back from him and wrestle
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: off of him and sprint towards the public road while
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: carrying her intestines in her hand like I would have
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: given up to be honest I I don't know if
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I have the strength to do like this woman is
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: my goddamn hero all right so she's running with a
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: knife carrying her intestines waving down a car and this
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: older couple would come and pick her up and she
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: would be absolutely frantic and not knowing if she was
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: going to live or die she would point back at
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: the farm and and say, if I die, that man
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: killed me. This couple would take her to the hospital
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: and police would show up as well. She would tell
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: them the story and they would go back to Robert's farm.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: And you just, this is a happy ending, right? Oh
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: my gosh, they are gonna catch him because he did
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: all this bad stuff. No, no, of course not. Of
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: course not. The police would go to Robert's farm and
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: see him dying in a pool of his own blood
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: and take him to the hospital. But unfortunately, Robert was
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: able to easily talk his way out of the situation
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: and just say that Sandra held him at knife point
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: because she was robbing him and it was just in self-defense.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: But the police would actually do something and charge him
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: for attempted murder. But when the day of court came,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Sandra didn't show up to testify because she was absolutely
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: petrified of what Robert and Dave, his brother, might do
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: to her if she didn't win the trial, if it
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: didn't go her way. So Robert got off scot-free and
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: would continue to kill for four more years. But at
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: this time, word had spread about what Robert had done.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: So you'd assume every working girl would be wary of
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: giving Robert any business, but it was this time also
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: that he would hire on a con artist prostitute by
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: the name of Gina Houston that would aid in the
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: flow of nonstop working women doing services for Robert and
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: getting murdered. So they met in 1993 and they quickly
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: became partners. Robert would pay her rent and give her
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: extra cash and Gina would promise the- institutes that she
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: knows this man with a ton of money, a ton
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: of drugs, and a good time. And usually about 50%
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: of the time they would agree to go. And of course,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: when it came to testifying, Gina denied that she ever
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: knew that Robert was killing any of the women, even
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: though she was said to have known over 30 of
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: the women that were never seen again. So she's just like...
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I knew them, I knew them intimately, and
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I saw them all the time, and then I just,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I never saw them after I was with Robert, but
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, who's to say? You know? You're a piece
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: of shit, Gina. So in 1997, Robert would kill the
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: most women he would ever kill in a single year.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: And that number was 14 women in one year. That
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: we know of. And the police, a year later in 1998,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: would say, quote unquote, There is no indication of a
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: serial killer here. What? There's over 30 women that have
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: disappeared from the exact same place, and these police are
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: still in denial of that. Or they just don't care.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: And that is my personal opinion, is that some of
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: the police officers, the higher-ups, just definitely didn't care or
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: prioritize sex workers, and it's disgusting. Now, by 1988, there
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: was a $ 100, 000 reward from America's Most Wanted, not even
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: the police, but a TV show took notice of the
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: whole situation that was going on and even did an
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: expose on it and offered $ 100, 000 Canadian to anybody that
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: could come forward with information about this case. And at
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: this time, they were definitely a few people that could
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: have come forward and completely blown this case wide open.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: And one of them was Robert's friend, Andy Williams. Andy
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Williams had been one of Robert's friends for a while
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: and also lived on the property. A lot of Robert's
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: friends lived on the property. It was really big. But
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: you'll find that a lot of these people that were
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: associated with him at some point lived on the property.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: And for some reason, Robert loved to share all of
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: his secrets with Andy Williams. So one night in 1999,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Robert asked Andy if he wanted to go get some
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: whores from East Hastings. Which, like, as your buddy does,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: you know? And this is the night that Robert would
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: open up and tell Andy what he really liked to
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: do with the... And Robert would show him. So Andy
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: would say that Robert would lift up his mattress and
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: show him the tools that he used to kill these women.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: He would show Andy a pair of handcuffs, a belt,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: and a piece of piano wire with two handles on
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: each side. And then he told them he would pick
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: up the women from the east side and bring them
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: back to his trailer, have sex with them from behind,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: and as he was about to finish, he would slowly
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: grab their arms and take them from behind and handcuff
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: them and then proceed to kill them to death. Then
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: he told them after they were dead, he would take
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: them back to the barn, hang them up by hooking
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: through their ankles, bleed them, gut them, and then dismember
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: them and feed them to his pigs and take the
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: rest to the rendering plant. And after telling Andy this,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: it absolutely freaked him the out. And he skipped town.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: He left. No shit. Robert, a few days later, realizing
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: he screwed up by telling Andy this, tracked down Andy
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: and beat the absolute living fuck out of him within
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: an inch of his life and scared Andy so much
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: that he never went to the cops until later on
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: when Robert was already caught. And another person that witnessed
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Robert's atrocities was Lynn Ellingson, a friend of Robert and
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Dave's that also lived on the property. So one night,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Robert and Lynn would go out and buy some crack,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: as you do with your friends, you know? And they
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: would also go to East Hastings and pick up one
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: of the women of the night to take back and
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: party with and smoke crack with. as you do. So
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: they would go back to the trailer, all smoke crack together,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: and then Robert would eventually take the woman that they
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: got from his tastings back to his bedroom and have
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: sex with her. And while they were doing that, Lynn
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: just went and smoked some more crack, as you do.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: And then when she came back to see where they were,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: she couldn't find them. So she was looking around the
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: property for Robert and would come across the barn and
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: see the light on. So she would walk in and
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: see women's legs hanging from the barn ceiling. Naturally, she
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: screamed and Robert would come up to her, grab her arm,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: take her to the table where he was dismembering the woman,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: and make her stand there and watch as he finished.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: And all Lynn said was that she kept her head
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: down and all she could see was organs and body
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: parts being thrown into a bucket on the ground and
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: a big clump of hair in the middle of the table.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: And by that testimony, we know that Robert was scalping
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: his victims before dismembering them so the hair wouldn't get
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: caught in his saw. And it's just, it's just, this, it,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: this all, it is, all of this makes me nauseous.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I've read so much about all of this and I just, um,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I couldn't eat. I couldn't eat. Like, I, I, like,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: it's just so, so heartbreaking. I can't even express it.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I just, I'm so sorry to the victims of their families.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Just want to keep reiterating that. And Robert, you're a
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: piece of shit and I hope that you die a
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: violent death. Is that too much? Nah. But anyway, this
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: is just screaming, Texas Chainsaw Massacre! I just constantly am
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: just thinking about Texas Chainsaw Massacre, man. But after this incident,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Robert gave Lynn a ton of money for booze and drugs,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and Lynn would stay drunk and high for weeks after this, which, naturally, like,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine witnessing that. And she was scared
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: out of her mind, so she did not go to
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: the police either until after Robert was already caught. But
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: either way, someway, somehow, these stories did make it back
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: to the cops because Andy and Lynn told other people
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: about these stories and they would make it back to
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: the cops, but it would still be another two years
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: before Robert Pickton was charged with any of the crimes.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: They just completely... disregarded these stories as rumors. So by
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: the year 2000, Robert had replaced his con artist her, Gina,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: with an even worse and more evil accomplice, Dena Taylor,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: a terrifying woman to say the least. She, like Robert,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: hated women of the night and was happy to get
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: them off the streets in any way she could, even
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: if it meant sending them to their inevitable demise at
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: the Piggy Palace. She would end up using the same
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: method as Gina, telling the women that this man had
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: a ton of money, drugs, and a good time, but
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: she would say that it was her uncle, so it
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: would be even more trustworthy, essentially. And when Robert was
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: caught a few years later after this, Dina's DNA would
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: be found on over 113 items on the property and
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: crime scene. Like, I don't know if she was slipping,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: sliding through these pig pens, but she was not innocent
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: in any way, and there was zero repercussions for her.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: So in March of 2001, Robert would take another three victims.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: And some people in the VPD were finally starting to
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: take notice and see the pattern that was happening. It
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: only took you 20 years. But despite having blatant stories
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: from people backing up the fact that Robert has murdered
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: dozens of women, that still wouldn't be the reason why
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: they would go to the property and search it. It
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: basically happened on accident. And this is how it happened. See,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Robert Pickton had another friend named Scotty Chubb. Yes, Chubb.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I don't... Anyway, living on the property as well with
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: his wife, Tasha. And one night they got into a
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: domestic dispute and the cops were called and a rookie
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: cop was sent to the scene. And Scotty would tell
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: the rookie that he got upset because his wife was
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: doing pain and he didn't want her to be doing pain.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: And the rookie cop was actually in the drug division,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: so he asked Scotty if he knew who the dealer was,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: and Scotty said he didn't, but the rookie cop would
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: give him his number and say, well, if you know
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: anything further about who's dealing these drugs, just give me
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: a call. So this guy went to a domestic dispute
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: and then just asked this criminal woman abuser if he
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: could help him with his own job, basically. Yeah. Anyway, luckily,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Scotty Chubb would start to run out of money because
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: he was unemployed and he needed some rent money. So
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: he figured he could be a little bit of a
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: snitch and call this rookie cop back and maybe make
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: a few bucks. And who did he have to rat
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: out on? This guy he knew with illegal firearms in
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: his trailer on the pig farm. And who is that?
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Robert Pickton. So the police finally got a search warrant
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: for Robert's farm. All because of his shitty friend that
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: ratted him out for rent money, which is kind of hilarious,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: but just all, just crazy. You know, like all this evidence,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: all the signs, everything, and then it just takes this
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: one idiot to do this. I mean, I'm glad it
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: did happen, but it's just... Insane to me. Like, Selena
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: would never, you know? So on February 6, 2002, the
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: police would go to Robert's farm, would bust down his
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: trailer door and find one illegal firearm, and they would
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: arrest him on the spot. And as they searched the
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: trailer more, they would find a box full of knives
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: and a piece of paper on the floor with a
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: name on it. Heather Bottomley, which was a woman that
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: went missing back in 2001. But that wasn't enough evidence
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: to charge him of anything, so they kept looking. Under
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: a pile of clothes in the trailer, they would find
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: one of the most disturbing pieces of evidence I've ever
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: heard of, and it was a. 22 revolver. with a
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: curved dildo pulled over the barrel. Like, I don't even
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: want to know. I don't even want to know. And
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: they would also find an inhaler in Robert's office with
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: one of the victim's names on it, Serena Abbotsway. And
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: she was last seen on August 1st, the year before.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Although this still wasn't enough to place charges, it was
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  Speaker 1: enough for police to get a property-wide search warrant. So next,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: they would go to the slaughterhouse, where they would find
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  Speaker 1: pig corpses hanging from the ceiling, and women's clothes, jewelry, and...
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  Speaker 1: toys strewn about, but they still hadn't found a body
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: or any body parts yet. So as the forensic team
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  Speaker 1: took to Robert's farm, Robert had got out on bail
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: and they had sent an officer to speak with him
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  Speaker 1: and tried to get a confession out of him. And
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: it did not take long at all for this to
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: hit the media. Like as soon as the cops were
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  Speaker 1: searching the property- this was just it went gangbusters all
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: over the media and i remember it good evening there
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: are growing calls tonight for a public inquiry into the
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: robert picton case as more details emerge picton.
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  Speaker 2: Was charged and convicted of killing six women trade workers
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  Speaker 2: connected to Vancouver's downtown east side. Other gruesome details revealed
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  Speaker 2: DNA of the murdered women found in processed meat on
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  Speaker 2: his farm.
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  Speaker 1: Like there was just so many people speculating about this
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: case and there were so many people that were scared
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: as well. So 10 whole days later after searching the
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: property the police would finally found an orange cushion and
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: a mangled metal mesh shower hose both stained with blood
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: and with this DNA found the police would finally have
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  Speaker 1: a match to one of the victims, Mona Wilson, Robert's
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  Speaker 1: last victim. And this would be enough to put him
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: under arrest. So although Robert was arrested, they still needed
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: to figure out where the other 48 women were. So
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: while teams searched his property, the police would absolutely grill
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  Speaker 1: Robert for a confession on a daily basis. And they
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: would also put a cell plant into his cell to
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: try to coerce a confession as well. And you know, Robert,
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  Speaker 1: he loves telling secrets. doesn't he? So after warming up
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: to his cell plant, he did open up a little
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: bit and basically just said how he loved being famous
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: and being in the media. He said to him, quote unquote,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: the whole world knows me all the way to Hong
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  Speaker 1: Kong to everywhere. A very well-spoken scholar. He wasn't that smart.
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  Speaker 1: Another phrase is, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, also is, well, you've got a lot of
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: stuff on me.
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  Speaker 1: No shit. That's why it's hard. And his voice was
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  Speaker 1: also just awful. It was so awful. You couldn't even
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  Speaker 1: understand him half the time. The cell plant at this
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  Speaker 1: point would not obtain a confession, so the cops continued
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: to hound him in the investigation room for weeks. But
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Robert would not budge. Even when they said how his
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: own friends had told the cops that he was murdering women,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: he would literally just say, Oh, they're out to lunch.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: They're just out to lunch. If you don't know what
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: that means, that's a very common Canadian saying, which means like, oh,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: they're crazy. They don't even know what they're talking about. Oh, like,
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  Speaker 1: get out of here. Get out of town. But it's
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: just so dumb. Anyway. But after weeks of hounding Robert,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: one of the cops would say something that would crack him.
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  Speaker 1: And it would be simply this. Willie, you didn't do
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  Speaker 1: a good job of cleaning up those girls' blood. You've
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  Speaker 1: got to agree with me. And Robert would respond. The
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  Speaker 1: streets are now in the hangar. Check yourself. I hope
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  Speaker 1: I'm able to breathe. I'm trying to be soft. Like what?
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: That's what he just kept saying is that he was
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: sloppy and that he didn't clean up right. And although
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  Speaker 1: that's all he said to the cops, once Robert went
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  Speaker 1: back into his cell with the plant, Robert could not
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  Speaker 1: contain his excitement and secrets anymore and would end up
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  Speaker 1: sharing everything with the cell plant. By the end of
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  Speaker 1: the night, Robert confessed to killing 49 women, adding that
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: he almost made it to the big five-oh. That was
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: something he kept saying that he wished he could have
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: made it to 50. So while the confession was happening,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: the cops were continuing to search Robert's property and Robert's
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  Speaker 1: workshops as well. And they would find two five gallon
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  Speaker 1: plastic buckets in one of his meat locker freezers. And
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: they didn't see it at first because it had a
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  Speaker 1: massive film of freezer burn ice. So they would wipe
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  Speaker 1: it down and see the horror that lied within these buckets.
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  Speaker 1: And they would find in one bucket, there was one
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  Speaker 1: head sliced in half, two hands put in one side
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: of the skull, and two feet put in the other
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  Speaker 1: side of the skull. And the other bucket would contain
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: the exact same thing, just of a different woman. And
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: the cops would find even more body parts in the piggery.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: A sewage company would need to pump the piggery for
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: four straight days before it was empty because Robert never
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: cleaned it or emptied it in 20 years. So it
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: was a lot of pig shit. And after it was
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: all pumped out, the forensics team would have to sift
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: through all of it by hand, by hand. Oh my God.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: There were over a hundred people working there day and night,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: for years, sifting through Robert's property piece by piece. And
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: they would find thousands of fragments of not only animal parts,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: but also human remains. But one mystery in this case
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: is that they would never find any leg bones or
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: arm bones out of all of the thousands of pieces
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: of evidence they found, they never found and they never
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: knew where those ended up. And on July 15th, 2002,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: two officers were searching through two of his other freezers
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  Speaker 1: and they found three plastic bags full of ground meat.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: They were originally put into storage for four months by
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: the cops, assuming it was just pig meat, but they
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: would test it and find that it was made of
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: two types of meat. pork, and human flesh. And this
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: ground meat would match two of Robert's victims. And with
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: the amount of ground meat that Robert would sell and
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: give away, it kind of goes without question that there
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: was human remains in this meat. But despite this incredible
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: obvious evidence and the circumstances in which it was, there
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: was no official recall or announcement to the public about this.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: It's just another giant W for the police just to die.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. It was a fucking massive, like knowing
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: this now. And like, I remember hearing about this later on,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: like everybody, it's just, just so disheartening. It's sickening. And
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: like to think that parts of people are in, products
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: or meat. It's like, you can't even wrap your head
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  Speaker 1: around it. Like I just have, I just, I can't,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to even think about. Um, and I'm just
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: so incredibly sorry to all the families. Now, when the
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: preliminary trial happened, Robert was charged with 27 counts of
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: first degree murder. Each of those counts having human DNA
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: attached to them. So like without a doubt, he was
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: guilty of them essentially. But the judge for Robert's case
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: was either grossly incompetent hiding something or just had a
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: hatred for sex workers because this entire trial should have
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: been a slam dunk wham bam thank you ma'am but
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: this judge would straight up say charging Robert with 27
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: murders would take too long and one of the murders
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: he just completely dismissed the one that we talked about
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: in the very beginning that was a Jane Doe because
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: she was never identified so she didn't count to the judge,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: which is disgusting. So he took the now 26 murder
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  Speaker 1: charges down to only six, with the promise that the
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: other 20 would be charged against Robert later on. And
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: the issue with this is that the prosecution team was
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: not able to use any of the evidence in the
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: other 20 cases in the six women trial. So they
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: weren't able to relay information from those cases or make connections,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: which completely took away from the case, which obviously affected
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: the jury and their final decision. And the judge also
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: said that Sandra, the badass bitch that carried her intestines
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  Speaker 1: and knife and got away from that piece of shit
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Robert Pickton, wasn't able to stand trial because she wasn't
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: one of the victims technically. So she wasn't able to
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: stand trial because she didn't fucking die, which I, like,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: reading this, it's just, I can't even, I can't even
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: wrap my head around it. Like, this whole case is
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  Speaker 1: just infuriating. And I mean, the Canadian judicial system is
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: already flawed in many ways, as are many other judicial systems,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: but this case is just... It highlights it so much. Anyway,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I digress. So the defense was able to convince the
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: jury enough that maybe Robert wasn't fully culpable of committing
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: these murders. And he was found guilty of only six
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: counts of second-degree murder. murder instead of the 27 murder
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: charges in the first degree he was first charged with.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: And after the trial, the forensics team would find enough
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: evidence to put Robert's murder count to 33 women. But
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: in 2010, the Canadian Supreme Court ruled that there would
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: be no further trial for Robert Pickton. So Robert Pickton
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: was sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: but now these families go without justice for their family
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: members that underwent the most horrific end of life experiences. Like,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: I just, I wish that these families got justice. and
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: that these victims got justice for themselves, but they didn't
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  Speaker 1: because the system failed them, and it's just heartbreaking. I'm
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: glad this monster is in jail, and we'll never see
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  Speaker 1: the light of day again, and I hope that he's
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: getting beat the shit out of, and I hope that
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: he's thinking about his eternal flame at all times, but
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: it's still incredibly sad that it ended this way. But...
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: That concludes this video and the story of Robert Pickton.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you for hanging around for as long as you did.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: I know this was a longer one, but this case
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: was definitely a tough one to get through given that
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: it was so close to home. But like I said before,
• 58:51
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• 58:53
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• 58:58
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