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Did Congress Just Read A Letter Written By Aliens? · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 3: That was always the funniest part.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just a sign that says fuck you
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Speaker 3: in big that's literally all that combination of words means. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So but that sign has gone away and we will
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Speaker 2: too soon. But in the meantime, oh man, have people
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Speaker 2: been clamoring for us to cover what we're covering today.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm not surprised. I mean, this is right up
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Speaker 3: our alley.
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Speaker 2: It is prime cospiracy, the show content.
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Speaker 3: It is, even though I heard about it and I thought,
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Speaker 3: I feel like, if there was actually anything do this,
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Speaker 3: I would be hearing even more, and yet there wasn't.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the reasons we haven't jumped on this
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Speaker 2: as quick as people want is because I'm kind of
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Speaker 2: tired of hearing the government being like, hey, look at
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Speaker 2: these videos they mean something well like yeah, I get it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and especially and this one is like, I mean,
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Speaker 3: we'll get into it, but it's mostly just the newest
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Speaker 3: one was mostly just a guy who heard a thing yeah,
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Speaker 3: or says he heard a thing yeah, Like that is
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Speaker 3: just not that compelling on its own.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like this because it happened on TV
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Speaker 2: in front of the government. Yeah, people are a little
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Speaker 2: more excited about it than they maybe need to be.
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Speaker 3: But like, you know, a lot of people have gone
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Speaker 3: in front of Congress for a lot of dumb things.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like steroids in baseball.
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Speaker 3: Oh exactly, Yeah, we need to be promoting steroids in baseball.
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Speaker 3: I think I think that was the point. Okay, I was,
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Speaker 3: I was trying to figure out the Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Of course, a House Oversight subcommittee held a hearing on
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Speaker 2: UFOs aka UAPs, which, up until researching this, I thought
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Speaker 2: UAP meant unidentified aerial phenomena.
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Speaker 3: Oh does it does not?
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Speaker 2: It means unidentified anomalous phenomena.
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Speaker 3: That that has to be new, that must be that
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Speaker 3: has to be a change, because I have heard the
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Speaker 3: aerial part.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe for me when we were recording.
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Speaker 3: Maybe no, but separately.
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Speaker 2: Because I think I just always I mean, that makes sense.
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Speaker 3: But also though on the other hand, and look, you know,
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Speaker 3: I call them UFOs because I am a child of
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Speaker 3: the X Files, you know, I of course, I'm just
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Speaker 3: it's not gonna stop. But like I understand, wanting to
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Speaker 3: be more specific, and a lot of these things aren't
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Speaker 3: just aerial, so it makes sense that it's not unidentified
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Speaker 3: aerial phenomenon.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they sometimes go in the water, exactly, so it
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Speaker 2: could be unidentified amphibious yes, phenomena exactly, or aerial phenomenon,
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Speaker 2: so you just go with anomalists.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, or anomalists yeah.
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Speaker 2: Finally the government makes a decision.
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Speaker 3: I agree on.
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Speaker 2: I mean, sure we are on the same page.
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Speaker 3: I've got way more things to be mad about than
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Speaker 3: what we're calling.
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Speaker 2: So this hearing happened at the end of July. This
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Speaker 2: is a quote from Rep. Representative Robert Garcia, who was
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Speaker 2: the top Democrat on the subcommittee. This is from his
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Speaker 2: opening statement.
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Speaker 3: Are the sheer number of parts.
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Speaker 2: Wait, I don't know why I made him a pirate?
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Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry, legitimately, just.
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Speaker 2: To carry over from the band podcast we record called
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Speaker 2: you don't even like this band, where anytime I read
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Speaker 2: a Mick Fleetwood quote, I assume.
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Speaker 3: That he's talking like a pirate's pirate voice.
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Speaker 2: You might let me let me try that again. The
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Speaker 2: sheer number of reports, whistleblowers and stories of unidentified anomalist
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Speaker 2: phenomena should raise real questions and warrant investigation and oversight.
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Speaker 2: And that's why we are here today. UAPs, whatever they
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Speaker 2: may be, may pose a serious threat to our military
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Speaker 2: or civilian aircraft in that must be understood. Sure, what
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Speaker 2: I love about all of this is For the longest time,
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Speaker 2: people have been like, well, once aliens come to the planet,
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Speaker 2: and once UFO starts showing up, we're all going to
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Speaker 2: be completely united, Like that's just going to bond humanity together. Sure,
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Speaker 2: and even before they're really here, there are already two
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Speaker 2: very distinct camps right when it comes to what's happening. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: right now, there's this camp, which is that, hey, we
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Speaker 2: need to study these because they're probably a threat. And
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Speaker 2: then there's like Stephen Greer who's like, no, those people
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Speaker 2: who are telling you that these are a threat, they're
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Speaker 2: the real threat.
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Speaker 3: Well, and that's fair also, And that's the thing. I
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Speaker 3: don't trust anyone.
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Speaker 2: I don't really trust Stephen Greer, and I oh, obviously
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Speaker 2: don't trust the government. Course, like it all feels like
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Speaker 2: k fabe, like aliens are turning into the WWE, where
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Speaker 2: there's one side that's saying one thing, another side saying
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Speaker 2: the other thing, and it feels like everyone's kind of pretending.
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Speaker 3: It's more like it's just turning into a thing that
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Speaker 3: is talked about in America, which is by definition means
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Speaker 3: it's gonna like bring out people from every angle, which
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Speaker 3: is right, the American dream kind of.
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Speaker 2: It's the American way. It is, like it's not a
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Speaker 2: thing that is uniting us. It's a thing that we
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Speaker 2: are finding ways to be divided over.
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Speaker 3: It's one of the things I really liked about. Do
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Speaker 3: you ever watch or read Contact? First of all, No, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: I saw the movie Contact. It's a great movie, and
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Speaker 3: that is what it's about. Like, you know, everybody's gonna
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Speaker 3: kind of look at this a different way, and you know,
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Speaker 3: you just kind of hope that there'll be enough Jodie
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Speaker 3: Foster's looking for the truth, that we'll figure something out
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Speaker 3: and we won't, you know, kill each other over something stupid.
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Speaker 2: But we're gonna kill each other over something stupid, I.
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Speaker 3: Mean, absolutely, just but hopefully not this probably.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So these hearings they were very long, like we
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Speaker 2: might get into more of them later. Like I didn't
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Speaker 2: watch all of it, but I don't know, I'm already
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Speaker 2: so tired of this.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think we're at a point. You know,
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Speaker 3: we've kind of since you know, it was twenty nineteen
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Speaker 3: that the big releases of twenty seventeen, there was a
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Speaker 3: time six years that's weird. No, So it's been since
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Speaker 3: then that the big the Navy videos came out and
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Speaker 3: we kind of had a big step forward in our
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Speaker 3: collective understanding of this phenomenon, right, And now we're just
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Speaker 3: at a point where until another big thing with interesting
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Speaker 3: evidence comes out, you know, there's just not much else
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Speaker 3: is gonna come out until you know, like we just
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Speaker 3: need the next big thing, if there's gonna be one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're kind of at that point where a lot
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Speaker 2: of people who dismissed the idea of UFOs, right, their
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Speaker 2: dismissal always centers around, well, where's the evidence? Right, and
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Speaker 2: it's like, well, now you're seeing it like this is
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Speaker 2: actually the government coming out and being like, look.
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Speaker 3: At this thing, right, this is some weird thing that
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Speaker 3: we don't know what it is specifically.
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Speaker 2: And even still there are people like, all right, well
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Speaker 2: what's the evidence?
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Speaker 3: Well yeah, and the thing is there.
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Speaker 2: We do still need.
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Speaker 3: Like much more concrets as compelling. Is a lot of
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Speaker 3: these things that we've seen been you know, we're still
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Speaker 3: waiting on the defining the Oprah shot, you know to
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Speaker 3: quote Nope, like we're still waiting on that. We don't
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Speaker 3: have that yet. We've got a lot of really compelling
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Speaker 3: things where if you are already in on UFOs or
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Speaker 3: on the fence. You're seeing this and you're like, well,
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Speaker 3: that's that's something that I've not seen before. This is
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Speaker 3: this is very compelling, but like the average person, like,
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Speaker 3: you know, it doesn't give enough of a shit to
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Speaker 3: like Ford to move their dick, you know, like they're
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Speaker 3: just they're staying.
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Speaker 2: Flaccid, and like that's understandable. Yeah. Absolutely. If the American
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Speaker 2: government really is like pulling off some kind of false
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Speaker 2: flag thing here and they were hoping that seeing this
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Speaker 2: footage was going to like unite us in some way
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Speaker 2: or like become our defining problem in life, they shouldn't
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Speaker 2: have made the rest of life so shitty for so
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Speaker 2: many people. Yeah, exactly, because there are so many people
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Speaker 2: in this country. I would argue me among them, and
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Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. Sure, Like I don't have nearly the
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Speaker 2: struggles that so many people in this country have, right,
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Speaker 2: but even I have enough that I'm like, yeah, fuck
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Speaker 2: a UFO, Like that's just like a metal bird to
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Speaker 2: me at this point.
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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, like, look, I would love for aliens
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Speaker 3: to come to Earth and kill me specifically, that is
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Speaker 3: what I would like for. You know, I'm the I'm
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Speaker 3: the girl from an Independence day who goes up with
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Speaker 3: her sign to the the LA is like, yeah, beat
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Speaker 3: me up, baby, just immediately killed. Like that's my vibe
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Speaker 3: when it comes to aliens. And until that point, you know,
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Speaker 3: I got fucking bills to pay. Yeah, Like it's tough, man.
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Speaker 2: It's like, just if you need to start your one
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Speaker 2: world govern just fucking do it. Just don't bother me
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Speaker 2: with this UFO shit.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely. Will it take care of my student loans? Will
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Speaker 3: it give me healthcare? Okay, I don't care. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. When we first saw these videos in twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 2: it's like, are they gonna impeach Trump?
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Speaker 3: Exactly?
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Speaker 2: If not, I don't give a fuck what they're here for.
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Speaker 3: They've actually got the cure for COVID up there, but
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Speaker 3: we keep shooting them down exactly.
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Speaker 2: So we are talking about these hearings, so we should
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Speaker 2: get into them, Yes, And we're just gonna talk about
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Speaker 2: some of the big takeaways from this that everyone is
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Speaker 2: talking about. And the first one, the big one, is
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Speaker 2: that the American government is quote absolutely in possession of UAPs,
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Speaker 2: and that comes from David Gruscious, a former US intelligence official,
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Speaker 2: So you know you can trust him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's thirty six years years old and looks
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Speaker 3: like he has a lot of experience.
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Speaker 2: I'll he says, thirty six going on my age.
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Speaker 3: Like look, as we're recording, I turned thirty six tomorrow,
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Speaker 3: and it really I saw a picture of this guy
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Speaker 3: and it really made me feel better about where I'm at,
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Speaker 3: you know, looks wise.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's because you don't watch sports, That is probably it,
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Speaker 2: because if you watch sports, you would hear thirty six
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Speaker 2: year olds being described as the most heroic people of
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Speaker 2: all time for just getting themselves out there. It's like,
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Speaker 2: can you believe this guy's still walk? Yeah, he's got
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Speaker 2: his walk thirty six and it's like, fuck, I would
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Speaker 2: kill to be thirty six. Yeah, I was in so
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Speaker 2: much better physical shape.
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Speaker 3: I thought you were saying that I look better because
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Speaker 3: I don't watch swoms.
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Speaker 2: Like probably that too, probably maybe especially you're from Indiana.
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Speaker 2: All your teams suck right now, so yeah, it'd be
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Speaker 2: wead times.
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Speaker 3: Literally would not know they would gun to my head.
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Speaker 2: So you're not a big Benedict Metherin fan.
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Speaker 3: I mean, well I love Ben, you know, but just
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Speaker 3: personally I don't know his work.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, the American government is in possession of UAPs,
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Speaker 2: Like yeah, like.
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Speaker 3: Probably if one has crashed, we probably didn't have it.
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Speaker 2: The problem with this and it's not a problem, but
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Speaker 2: like Harry Reid said this in twenty seventeen, Yeah, like
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Speaker 2: he when we first got these articles about these UFO videos,
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Speaker 2: that was one of the main talking points was Listen,
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Speaker 2: we got all this stuff in a storage facility, and
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Speaker 2: if anyone can say they know where it came from,
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Speaker 2: they're lying. Sure, Like that's I'm paraphrasing, but that was
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Speaker 2: Harry Reid's general quote. Yeah, and it really does, at
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Speaker 2: this point feel like the government is giving us the
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Speaker 2: same information over and over and over and expecting us
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Speaker 2: to react to it differently at some point. Yeah, kind of.
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Speaker 3: Although you know, again I have a hard time lumping
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Speaker 3: David Grush and his testimony in with that because you know,
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Speaker 3: of how scanty what he says actually is.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, it seems like Harry Reid had a little
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Speaker 2: more like actual hands on knowledge, yes, of what was happening.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, He's been like trying to figure this shit out
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Speaker 3: for decades.
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Speaker 2: That's the big problem with this testimony. When people are
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Speaker 2: getting so excited about it, like, hey, the government just
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Speaker 2: said UFOs are real. It's like, nah, this one guy,
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Speaker 2: this single guy, UFOs are real, right, And that's a big,
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Speaker 2: big difference, and not just that he admits in his
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Speaker 2: testimony he's never seen any of this. Yes, it's just
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Speaker 2: him conducting interviews, yes, with people who've seen it. And
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Speaker 2: at that point it's like, well, why haven't you seen it?
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Speaker 3: Right? And why are you here? Why are you the
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Speaker 3: one like blowing the whistle on this hearsay?
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Speaker 2: And you couldn't get a single one of those people
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Speaker 2: to come forward and testify, like, not one like your
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Speaker 2: courage under fire didn't inspire someone else, Like I don't
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Speaker 2: trust this guy.
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Speaker 3: I absolutely don't trust this guy.
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Speaker 2: He testified that he led a Defense Department effort to
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Speaker 2: analyze UAP sightings and reports and was informed of a
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Speaker 2: multi decade Pentagon program that collected and attempted to reconstruct
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Speaker 2: crashed UAPs. So he led that Defense Department effort, right,
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Speaker 2: but also has never seen a UAP?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 2: So who did? Right?
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Speaker 1: Like?
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Speaker 2: Who saw him that exactly? That's that's a good question,
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Speaker 2: like your your underling, Sam, but like you just like
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Speaker 2: didn't get to see him. That makes zero sense.
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Speaker 3: You know, he's like, well, they requested the anonymity or whatever.
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Speaker 3: It's just like, I'm sorry, this is not going to
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Speaker 3: pass muster for me. I've heard this enough from better
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Speaker 3: sources than you, Like I'll take a you know, we
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Speaker 3: can't disclose from a Harry Reid or whatever, but I
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Speaker 3: don't know who you are, buddy.
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Speaker 2: He did say that this program is above congressional oversight
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Speaker 2: and bankrolled by a misappropriation of funds, which that doesn't
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Speaker 2: sound like our intelligence community at all.
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that could be describing any number of things.
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Speaker 2: But also that is kind of the thing like we've
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Speaker 2: heard so much about like black budgets and like black ops. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: so now this guy can just be like, well, it's
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Speaker 2: black ops. It's above Congress. That's why you don't know
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Speaker 2: about it. And I don't doubt that there are projects
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Speaker 2: like this, they exist above the scope of Congress.
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Speaker 3: I don't doubt that there are projects like that. But
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Speaker 3: do you think that UFOs would be one of them.
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Speaker 3: I feel like they'll put that on like whatever crazy
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Speaker 3: neutron bomb or whatever the fuck they're building, like that's
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Speaker 3: what they're going to be keeping away from Congress. I
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Speaker 3: don't know that they give enough of a shit to
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Speaker 3: keep UFOs away. But I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I think the only reason they would And this is
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Speaker 2: obviously a big argument that people who are interested in
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Speaker 2: this make, which is that we've recovered technology from alien
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Speaker 2: crashes that would like fix our client change issues. Sure,
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Speaker 2: and we've just kind of suppressed that so we can
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Speaker 2: keep selling oil for all these years, and like people
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Speaker 2: have died in the process.
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Speaker 3: It's just that My problem with that is my problem
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Speaker 3: with a lot of the way that people think about
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Speaker 3: UFOs is I just don't understand how you think that
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Speaker 3: we would be able to use any alien technology if
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Speaker 3: they're traveling across galaxies, you know, Like.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's more the propulsion systems. Sure, in
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Speaker 2: the crafts themselves, right, How.
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Speaker 3: Would we know how that works?
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know exactly, but I also don't
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Speaker 2: doubt that.
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Speaker 3: I mean people will be studying it, definitely, people.
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Speaker 2: Who would study it and figure it out. And the
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Speaker 2: thing is, if we did figure that out, like in
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Speaker 2: like the fifties or sixties, yeah, and we were like,
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Speaker 2: but we got all these engines that run on gas
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Speaker 2: that we need, sure, like keep selling that would be
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Speaker 2: a pretty huge scandal. But at the same time, what
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Speaker 2: would we the people do about it? Right, Like if
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Speaker 2: the government came out and was like, listen, we've actually
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Speaker 2: had the means to fix climate change for decades and
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Speaker 2: we just didn't do it. I feel like as a country,
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Speaker 2: on both sides, our response would be, oh, so you
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Speaker 2: can fix climate change, Yeah, it would be great, Please
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Speaker 2: do it. Then, Yeah, it wouldn't be oh but all
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Speaker 2: these people died and now we have to like try
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Speaker 2: you as war criminals, like that never happened.
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Speaker 3: That would be secondary.
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Speaker 2: I think everybody's first reaction.
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Speaker 3: Would be please, please keep the planet from its.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like people like us would be like, oh but
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Speaker 2: all those yeah, like people probably died from climate change.
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Speaker 3: I mean it's tough to say. People get mad about,
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Speaker 3: you know, horrific crimes against humanities. True, so we don't know,
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Speaker 3: but I think everybody's first reaction would definitely be please,
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Speaker 3: if you would not mind.
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Speaker 2: And I've said it before that has always been like
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Speaker 2: my secret hope about climate change is that, like, we
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Speaker 2: have the technology to fix it, but also rich people
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Speaker 2: are like, well, we're not just gonna waste all this oil,
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Speaker 2: right right, Like we're gonna raid this fucking planet before
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Speaker 2: we fix it, right, And maybe that's where every society
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Speaker 2: before us has gotten to the point where they're like,
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Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna raid the planet for as long
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Speaker 2: as we can and then we'll fix things. Yeah, and
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Speaker 2: then like a minute before they fix things, the planet
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Speaker 2: just explodes.
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Speaker 3: I mean, look, that's probably what will happen.
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Speaker 2: That is almost certainly what will happen. Anyway, we'll be
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Speaker 2: dead by then, hopefully maybe all Right, the next big
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Speaker 2: takeaway non human biologics. He said that, like Trump, we're
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Speaker 2: found at a crash site. And this is where the
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Speaker 2: problems with Grutch's testimony come into play, right, because he
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Speaker 2: straight up says he's never seen a UAP, He's never
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Speaker 2: seen these non human biologics. But he did interview a
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Speaker 2: bunch of people who told him about this.
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Speaker 3: But I and again, I, you know, I just don't
22:23
Speaker 3: see how that's any different than so many of the
22:28
Speaker 3: reports that we've heard in the past, like somebody heard
22:32
Speaker 3: from somebody else who said they saw an alien or whatever.
22:36
Speaker 2: It's kind of how Stephen Greer's stuff works, absolutely, like
22:41
Speaker 2: so much of it is, well, yeah, a source told me,
22:44
Speaker 2: and it's like you are making a documentary right now.
22:48
Speaker 2: Show me something right that that source showed you that
22:52
Speaker 2: has convinced you that this is real. Yeah, and so
22:56
Speaker 2: much of this guy's testimony is just well, yeah, I
22:59
Speaker 2: interviewed people and they told me it's like they might
23:02
Speaker 2: be lying. Y.
23:03
Speaker 3: I mean, look, man, like this is the thing we've
23:05
Speaker 3: had blue Book since the fifties. Yeah, so like you've
23:09
Speaker 3: got to come at me with a little bit more
23:12
Speaker 3: of a solid testimony than Project Bluebook from the fucking fifties.
23:17
Speaker 3: I'm sorry it's been seventy years because yeah, this is.
23:21
Speaker 2: Kind of the same claim from Roswell, which is yeah,
23:25
Speaker 2: oh yeah, Roswell people, jesus, yeah, we found alien bodies
23:29
Speaker 2: in one of these crashes. Yeah, and now this is
23:31
Speaker 2: just another guy saying that, but he's saying it to Congress, right,
23:36
Speaker 2: So now people are like, oh, the government just admitted
23:39
Speaker 2: aliens are real, and it's like, nah, this guy did.
23:43
Speaker 3: I'm blaming c Span. They started all this, They showed
23:46
Speaker 3: us all of the stupid shit that happens at Congress
23:49
Speaker 3: all day, and so now we just expect that it's
23:53
Speaker 3: all newsworthy.
23:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all real, and so yeah, I don't know it.
23:58
Speaker 2: It really does to me feel like there could be
24:01
Speaker 2: some like Richard Dody Mirage, man, shit happening here, I
24:05
Speaker 2: mean maybe where this guy is like on the forefront
24:10
Speaker 2: of this and so people are coming to him and
24:13
Speaker 2: being like, yeah, man, you're not gonna believe what I saw.
24:16
Speaker 3: But is he Like I get that's definitely drue and
24:21
Speaker 3: he's definitely the target of that shit now, But like,
24:25
Speaker 3: I had never heard of this fucking guy until he's
24:28
Speaker 3: and I keep up with this stuff to an extent,
24:31
Speaker 3: you know, doing this show. So yeah, I don't know.
24:35
Speaker 3: I mean, it could be. It could also just be.
24:38
Speaker 3: Congress has a long history of hearing testimony from whack ups.
24:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, for lack.
24:43
Speaker 3: Of a more sensitive term.
24:45
Speaker 2: Where's Tom DeLong in all this? Oh, why isn't he
24:49
Speaker 2: being interviewed?
24:50
Speaker 3: Exactly? This guy's thirty six years old? What's his age again? Huh?
24:56
Speaker 2: Tom DeLong? Fucking alien? Are real from playing guitar while
25:03
Speaker 2: he's testifying? That would be great, I mean it'd be fine.
25:06
Speaker 2: I was never a big Bunk one eighty two fan.
25:08
Speaker 3: I mean I was ever huge, but I like their
25:10
Speaker 3: famous songs.
25:14
Speaker 2: So yeah. He at one point testified that what he
25:19
Speaker 2: and his wife had seen was very disturbing, but also
25:22
Speaker 2: had testified at other points that he hadn't really seen anything.
25:25
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it sounds like he's saying that what
25:29
Speaker 3: he's using what he's seen to mean what he has
25:33
Speaker 3: read and heard from these eye witnesses, which to me
25:38
Speaker 3: is not accurate.
25:40
Speaker 2: And when he was asked for more details, he was like, well,
25:43
Speaker 2: I can't share them because they're too sensitive. Of course,
25:47
Speaker 2: but then there's all these like magazine interviews with him
25:50
Speaker 2: before this where he goes into a whole bunch of detail,
25:54
Speaker 2: but something about being like in front of the government
25:58
Speaker 2: and being under oath. I don't even know. Was he
26:01
Speaker 2: under oath?
26:01
Speaker 3: I don't know.
26:02
Speaker 2: But now all of a sudden, it's all, oh, it's
26:06
Speaker 2: too sensitive right for me to talk about.
26:09
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry, I'm sorry. That's again this is not
26:13
Speaker 3: passing for me. I'm not accepting it's too sensitive anymore. No.
26:18
Speaker 2: It reminds me of when Congress finally tackled the real
26:22
Speaker 2: issue plaguing America, which is steroids in baseball, and Sammy
26:28
Speaker 2: Sosa testified in front of Congress and was like, knowing, glace,
26:34
Speaker 2: I know, no, No, I have baseball been very, very good,
26:38
Speaker 2: and it's like I've seen you in commercials where you're like, hey,
26:41
Speaker 2: I'm Sammy Sosa for Chicago land Ford Dealers, and then
26:46
Speaker 2: you get him in front of Congress and he's like, Eh,
26:48
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. But
26:51
Speaker 2: like this guy too, Like you've given all these interviews
26:54
Speaker 2: and now you get in front of Congress and you're like,
26:56
Speaker 2: it's too sensitive for me to talk about I mean
26:59
Speaker 2: you talk it to Vanity Fair, right, where is.
27:03
Speaker 3: The better place to talk about these sensitive matters? If
27:07
Speaker 3: it's that sensitive, they'll make sure it doesn't leave the
27:11
Speaker 3: congressional hearing room, right, you know, Like it's fine, man,
27:17
Speaker 3: You're in front of the people who need to hear
27:19
Speaker 3: the stuff.
27:20
Speaker 2: So the next big takeaway, very dramatic moment, Gretch testified
27:26
Speaker 2: that he'd been the subject of quote, very brutal retaliation
27:31
Speaker 2: as a result of his allegations.
27:33
Speaker 3: He could barely walk into the hearing.
27:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like again, citation needed, right, what do
27:38
Speaker 2: you mean?
27:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, how about it's clearly wasn't physical retaliation. So what
27:44
Speaker 3: what happens?
27:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like did you lose your job? Did? Like we're
27:51
Speaker 2: government agents following you, Like what just tell us right,
27:55
Speaker 2: what you mean and.
27:57
Speaker 3: If it happened, yeah, and if it didn't, then what
28:00
Speaker 3: are we talking about this?
28:02
Speaker 2: And he also claimed to have knowledge of quote, people
28:05
Speaker 2: who have been harmed or injured in the course of
28:08
Speaker 2: government efforts to conceal UFO information And again, well, who
28:15
Speaker 2: are they who? And you know, I'm like sure, because
28:19
Speaker 2: maybe all I have been confronted with for the past
28:24
Speaker 2: six years at least, is person after person making documentary
28:30
Speaker 2: after documentary about what the government is up to and
28:35
Speaker 2: how dangerous it is to talk about this. And it's like, well,
28:39
Speaker 2: why are there fifty fucking Amazon documentaries about this? Why
28:45
Speaker 2: isn't Stephen Grier dead? Why isn't this guy dead? Why
28:50
Speaker 2: aren't all of these luminaries in the field fucking dead?
28:55
Speaker 2: And don't tell me it's because they're too high profile?
28:59
Speaker 2: The government murdered fucking RFK Malcolm x Fred Hampton. There
29:06
Speaker 2: is no such thing as someone being too high profile
29:10
Speaker 2: for this government to fucking murder. Yeah, so why are
29:14
Speaker 2: none of these people dead?
29:15
Speaker 3: Well? And I'm like, you know, it's like he claims
29:18
Speaker 3: that people have been harmed or injured. I'm like, yeah, probably,
29:21
Speaker 3: but I need more than that. I need more than
29:24
Speaker 3: you saying that it happened. I need a name or
29:27
Speaker 3: an event.
29:28
Speaker 2: Like can we never get names? No, we get whenever
29:33
Speaker 2: there's like a famous UFO sighting, we get the names absolutely,
29:37
Speaker 2: Like we know the people who saw it, like what
29:40
Speaker 2: they experienced.
29:41
Speaker 3: Eddian Barney Hill.
29:42
Speaker 2: Give me the name of one person murdered by the
29:46
Speaker 2: government over their UFO knowledge.
29:49
Speaker 3: Well you know, of course you're not going to know
29:51
Speaker 3: their names because the government never let them get to
29:55
Speaker 3: that point. You know, they found out that it was
29:57
Speaker 3: actually that all those other sightings they were fake, but
30:00
Speaker 3: the real ones that that's who they kill.
30:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I want to believe.
30:05
Speaker 3: That's free, by the way, you can have that. I
30:10
Speaker 3: want to believe me too that this is all true.
30:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it all like on both sides. On the
30:19
Speaker 2: side this guy's on, which is that aliens are real
30:23
Speaker 2: and we need to investigate them as a threat, and
30:26
Speaker 2: then the Stephen Greer side, which is, well, aliens are real,
30:30
Speaker 2: but there's not a threat and the government is just
30:32
Speaker 2: telling us they are a threat. And it's like, I
30:35
Speaker 2: don't know, have you met all the aliens? Like some
30:38
Speaker 2: of them might show up and fuck you up, pal, maybe,
30:41
Speaker 2: But either one of those sides is lying or everyone's lying, right,
30:48
Speaker 2: and this is just all the government. And I'm kind
30:52
Speaker 2: of leaning toward this just being all the government, Like.
30:56
Speaker 3: I think it's a dash of that and the dash
30:59
Speaker 3: of you know, this is a long running enterprise, like
31:02
Speaker 3: people are have been making money making UFO claims for
31:06
Speaker 3: decades and it's not gonna stop anytime soon. And you know,
31:10
Speaker 3: maybe some of these people are telling the truth and
31:12
Speaker 3: maybe they're not, but you know, that's just gonna keep going.
31:15
Speaker 3: And that's fine. But you know, when you're in front
31:19
Speaker 3: of Congress, that's where I say, I need a little
31:22
Speaker 3: bit more than you might put in your book.
31:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, or at least say the same stuff you say
31:29
Speaker 2: in interview, right, Like, how are you comfortable saying it
31:32
Speaker 2: in the press but not in front of the government
31:35
Speaker 2: where you're encouraging other whistleblowers to come forward.
31:39
Speaker 3: I mean, let me, you know, I might be wrong,
31:42
Speaker 3: but I don't know if you can get perjured in
31:46
Speaker 3: a vanity fair interview.
31:48
Speaker 2: That's true. That's a very good point. And yeah. Congressman
31:52
Speaker 2: Tim Burchett asked Grush if he has any personal knowledge
31:58
Speaker 2: of people who'd been murdered over this, and He said
32:01
Speaker 2: he quote directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities.
32:05
Speaker 2: Who are the appropriate authorities?
32:06
Speaker 3: Yeah in that case, what does that mean? Yeah, like legitimately,
32:12
Speaker 3: I need to know what that means.
32:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you're saying that.
32:16
Speaker 3: You know that people have been harmed or injuries. You
32:19
Speaker 3: said that, and then now once somebody's say asking you
32:22
Speaker 3: to verify, you're like, well, I directed people who knew
32:27
Speaker 3: that to the right place. Yeah, I don't actually know that.
32:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sketchy, it's some sketchy testimony.
32:37
Speaker 3: Yeah.
32:37
Speaker 2: There was also testimony from Ryan Graves, a former Navy pilot.
32:43
Speaker 2: He told the panel that he felt military pilots are
32:46
Speaker 2: not adequately briefed on UAPs and are unprepared to respond
32:52
Speaker 2: to encounters with them.
32:53
Speaker 3: Sure.
32:54
Speaker 2: He claimed that commercial airline pilots have spotted UAPs also,
32:58
Speaker 2: which I mean, and that would stand a reason.
33:01
Speaker 3: If it's happening as frequently as people are claiming, then
33:03
Speaker 3: sure probably.
33:05
Speaker 2: Yeah they're up in the sky. Also, So in light
33:08
Speaker 2: of all this, he wants some kind of official reporting
33:12
Speaker 2: process for UAP sidings. This is a quote. There has
33:16
Speaker 2: to be a safe and transparent reporting process for pilots,
33:20
Speaker 2: both on the commercial side, and the military side to
33:24
Speaker 2: be able to report UAPs, and I don't disagree with that, Like,
33:29
Speaker 2: if this is a real thing, absolutely obviously.
33:31
Speaker 3: I mean I think it makes sense that, regardless of
33:35
Speaker 3: what it is, if you see something that you can't
33:39
Speaker 3: explain while you're flying an airplane, you should be able
33:43
Speaker 3: to report it to someone without fear of judgment or
33:47
Speaker 3: persecution or whatever, regardless again of what the thing is.
33:52
Speaker 2: And that's the whole thing he brings up that there
33:55
Speaker 2: is absolutely a stigma around Yeah, being a person who's like, hey,
34:00
Speaker 2: I saw a UFO and I want to tell someone, Yeah,
34:04
Speaker 2: it makes it.
34:04
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, people frown on that, they cast your
34:09
Speaker 3: aspersions on your judgment, and so I think that's totally fair. Like, again,
34:14
Speaker 3: regardless of whether it's aliens or whatever, this just makes sense.
34:17
Speaker 3: It's air safety.
34:19
Speaker 2: And that's kind of the pushback I always have when
34:22
Speaker 2: people are like, well, I'll believe UFOs are real when
34:26
Speaker 2: I see some evidence, and it's like, but lots of
34:28
Speaker 2: people have come forward with what they say is evidence,
34:31
Speaker 2: and you're like, no, I don't, like that's obviously fake. Sure,
34:36
Speaker 2: And it's like, well, who is it going to take
34:38
Speaker 2: to tell you that UFOs are real before you're like,
34:41
Speaker 2: all right, I believe it, Like, is it going to
34:43
Speaker 2: have to be like Jesus.
34:45
Speaker 3: Well, sure, I think for most people. I think most
34:48
Speaker 3: people would say they would need to see it for themselves,
34:53
Speaker 3: which I don't agree with necessarily.
34:56
Speaker 2: But no, like I've never I don't know. I don't
34:59
Speaker 2: think I've ever seen an elephant like in real life.
35:02
Speaker 2: Really yeah, I don't think so, but I know they're real.
35:05
Speaker 3: They are real.
35:06
Speaker 2: Like I've never seen a giant squid.
35:08
Speaker 3: I have never seen a giant squid, but they are real.
35:10
Speaker 2: They exist. They didn't get one on camera for like
35:13
Speaker 2: a long, long long.
35:14
Speaker 3: Time until like I was in high school basically very recently,
35:19
Speaker 3: very recently.
35:20
Speaker 2: I trust that they're real. Yeah, it was cool, Like
35:23
Speaker 2: that can't be the thing. It can't be. Well, I've
35:27
Speaker 2: never seen one, so I know that they're fake. Like
35:30
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's lots of things I've never seen
35:32
Speaker 2: that I know are real.
35:33
Speaker 3: Yep.
35:34
Speaker 2: So I don't know, but I understand the risk, Like
35:37
Speaker 2: I understand like even science, it's been a thing that's
35:41
Speaker 2: been talked about a bunch where like you kind of
35:44
Speaker 2: just don't investigate stuff like this otherwise your peers are
35:47
Speaker 2: going to be like, oh, so you're a crazy person.
35:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes, you know, obviously there are more open minds
35:56
Speaker 3: than others.
35:56
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, and yeah, right now, the FAA, if
36:01
Speaker 2: you contact them and you're like, hey, I saw UFO
36:05
Speaker 2: in the sky, they refer you to like citizen run groups,
36:09
Speaker 2: which I'm assuming means moof on.
36:11
Speaker 3: Maybe that would be weird though.
36:14
Speaker 2: But I mean, who else, Like they're the main one,
36:17
Speaker 2: maybe sei, Yeah, but Seti's just like fucking dishes. It's
36:24
Speaker 2: got to be move on. I don't know who else
36:26
Speaker 2: it would be, Like the government didn't the government sort
36:30
Speaker 2: of set up move on, Like move On is referenced
36:34
Speaker 2: in like really early it's a it's the oldie it's
36:38
Speaker 2: government UFO things and they're still around, Like I can't.
36:41
Speaker 3: They should really go by move app now they should?
36:44
Speaker 2: They should, And yeah, it's got to be them. I
36:49
Speaker 2: can't imagine who else it would be. But it does
36:52
Speaker 2: stand to reason that the government should have some sort
36:55
Speaker 2: of mechanism.
36:56
Speaker 3: Again, it just makes sense. You know, when you're flying
36:59
Speaker 3: a specially for commercial airlines, like your main priority is
37:05
Speaker 3: the safety of your passengers and not being able to
37:08
Speaker 3: report on something that you've seen for fear of stigma
37:11
Speaker 3: contributes to an unsafe environment. Yeah.
37:14
Speaker 2: So there was also testimony from a former Navy commander
37:20
Speaker 2: named David frav Yeah, he's one of the pilots you
37:23
Speaker 2: hear houton and hollerin in those UFO TICTAC videos right
37:29
Speaker 2: that the Navy released. He said when he spotted one
37:32
Speaker 2: of those, his plane was above it and he started
37:36
Speaker 2: descending to see what it was, and that when he
37:39
Speaker 2: did that, this tic TAC shaped craft, which isn't it
37:43
Speaker 2: just an oval?
37:44
Speaker 3: That's fine, sure, but it's the saying tic TAC.
37:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess a tic TAC in an oval art.
37:50
Speaker 3: Right, Like it's oval, but it's describing a three D
37:53
Speaker 3: oval a capsule, Yeah, capsule, a capsule craft. Oh man,
37:58
Speaker 3: that makes it sound like dragon Ball is invading us.
38:00
Speaker 1: Nice.
38:01
Speaker 2: Anyway, he said this craft started ascending toward him. He
38:06
Speaker 2: said it had no visible rotors, wings or exhausted right.
38:09
Speaker 2: He said it started approaching his fighter jet and then
38:14
Speaker 2: it vanished and then reappeared a few seconds later sixty
38:19
Speaker 2: miles away, Which that's pretty neat if it's true. Yeah,
38:24
Speaker 2: this is a quote. The technology that we faced is
38:28
Speaker 2: far superior to anything that we had, and there's nothing
38:32
Speaker 2: we can do about it.
38:33
Speaker 3: Nothing.
38:34
Speaker 2: That's kind of cool.
38:35
Speaker 3: It's a good line.
38:36
Speaker 2: It's got like, if there really is nothing right, we'll
38:40
Speaker 2: just do it and let me watch exactly, like, destroy
38:43
Speaker 2: Earth while I'm alive, please, absolutely, like I want to
38:48
Speaker 2: see that.
38:48
Speaker 3: I don't want Earth to keep going after I'm gone.
38:52
Speaker 2: No, why would I want that? People just live in
38:57
Speaker 2: their lives acting like they're happy even though I'm not
39:00
Speaker 2: around it. How could those two things both be true
39:04
Speaker 2: at the same time. I don't get it.
39:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes no sense.
39:08
Speaker 2: So what are the government's thoughts right on this? A
39:12
Speaker 2: top Pentagon official named doctor Sean Kirkpatrick called these hearings insultant.
39:18
Speaker 3: Okay, whatever you say, Sean.
39:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is also a career military intelligence officer, so
39:25
Speaker 2: you know, pick your lesser of two evils here. He
39:29
Speaker 2: was named a year ago to lead the Pentagon's All
39:32
Speaker 2: Domain Anomaly Resolution Office aka ARROW.
39:37
Speaker 3: You know, I know that that is probably evil, like
39:43
Speaker 3: fundamentally evil, but it's it's a pretty cool name.
39:47
Speaker 2: It's a pretty great name, no doubt about.
39:50
Speaker 3: The All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office.
39:54
Speaker 2: And here's where I'm skeptical. Apparently this Department was inten
40:00
Speaker 2: to just centralize investigations into UAPs. Sure, and it's like, oh,
40:06
Speaker 2: so you mean the space CIA, because that's what the
40:10
Speaker 2: CIA was intended to be also, and it's like I
40:14
Speaker 2: don't trust that that much. Sorry.
40:16
Speaker 3: Sure.
40:17
Speaker 2: Kirkpatrick issued this condemnation by way of a letter posted
40:22
Speaker 2: on his personal LinkedIn page. This is a quote, cannot
40:26
Speaker 2: let yesterday's hearing pass without sharing how insulting it was
40:32
Speaker 2: to the officers of the Department of Defense and Intelligence
40:36
Speaker 2: community who chose to join ARROW, many with not unreasonable
40:42
Speaker 2: anxieties about the career risks this would entail. They are
40:47
Speaker 2: truth seekers, as am I. But you certainly would not
40:50
Speaker 2: get that impression from yesterday's hearing.
40:53
Speaker 3: That's that's quite an impression. You know his name, Sean Kirkpatrick.
40:56
Speaker 3: I'd probably go with I couldn't let yesterday's hearing pass
41:00
Speaker 3: without sharing how insulting it was.
41:04
Speaker 2: Either way, I don't trust On. No, I don't trust
41:08
Speaker 2: On at all. Like he's kind of confirming what this
41:13
Speaker 2: guy's saying. For one thing, He's like, well, the anxiety
41:16
Speaker 2: is over researching this. Those aren't unreasonable, Sure, And it's like, well,
41:21
Speaker 2: that's what grush is saying in this hearing.
41:24
Speaker 3: Too kind that's part of it.
41:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, it's it's also that same thing as
41:30
Speaker 2: when like there's a police shooting and that same police
41:34
Speaker 2: department is like, all right, we're gonna investigate it and
41:37
Speaker 2: get to the bottom of it. It's like, all right,
41:38
Speaker 2: but can someone else do it also?
41:41
Speaker 3: Nope?
41:42
Speaker 2: And like this is the Pentagon being like, don't worry,
41:45
Speaker 2: we're looking into what the Pentagon knows about UFOs. It's like,
41:49
Speaker 2: I bet you are.
41:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I don't trust anybody who's job
41:55
Speaker 3: title is career intelligence officer.
41:57
Speaker 2: No. No, And that's the problem. Like everyone on every
42:01
Speaker 2: side of this is at least kind of US intelligence officer.
42:07
Speaker 2: It's like, ah, what if you're all wrong. So let's
42:11
Speaker 2: close by talking about a internet rumor that came out
42:17
Speaker 2: of these hearings, which is the idea that Congress was
42:21
Speaker 2: read a letter that was written by aliens. Sure. This
42:26
Speaker 2: is a claim that started spreading shortly after the hearings ended.
42:31
Speaker 2: It is accompanied by video, which makes it very convincing.
42:36
Speaker 2: And the claim was that the letter in question warned
42:40
Speaker 2: about the Earth's eventual destruction by way of climate change,
42:45
Speaker 2: and that this letter was read during these UFO hearings.
42:50
Speaker 2: It all started with a tweet, like so many other
42:53
Speaker 2: bad things in the world do, that claimed to show
42:56
Speaker 2: video of that letter being read at this hearing. And
42:59
Speaker 2: it's pretty convincing stuff, provided you did not watch the hearings,
43:03
Speaker 2: because if you had, you would recognize immediately that it's
43:07
Speaker 2: a completely different hearings, not from these UFO hearings. The
43:12
Speaker 2: video is from an event that happened ten years ago
43:17
Speaker 2: at the National Press Club in Washington, DC called the
43:20
Speaker 2: Citizen Hearing on UFO Disclosure. Yeah, the Washington Post reported
43:27
Speaker 2: on it at the time. It was not Congress. It
43:31
Speaker 2: was a group of six former Congress members who were
43:36
Speaker 2: paid twenty thousand dollars each to sit down and listen
43:41
Speaker 2: to thirty hours of UFO testimony from UFO experts, who
43:46
Speaker 2: then filmed it and put it online. And they were like, listen,
43:50
Speaker 2: Congress is taken this seriously. Finally, but the letter in
43:56
Speaker 2: question is actually a thing, like we'll link to one
44:02
Speaker 2: of the articles that debunks this, and yes, what they
44:07
Speaker 2: point out is that this letter in question is from
44:09
Speaker 2: a book. It's from a book called The Keepers, An
44:13
Speaker 2: Alien Message for the Human Race by a guy named
44:17
Speaker 2: Jim Sparks.
44:18
Speaker 3: Sure.
44:18
Speaker 2: And the thing about Jim Sparks and what makes this
44:22
Speaker 2: so interesting to me, there was a point where Jim
44:25
Speaker 2: Sparks was like one of the pre eminent experts not
44:30
Speaker 2: only on UFOs and alien abductions, but also the notion
44:36
Speaker 2: that the government is suppressing alien technology that could help
44:42
Speaker 2: us with climate change. And he made these claims way
44:47
Speaker 2: way back in I think it's ninety six or ninety seven,
44:53
Speaker 2: Like he was saying all of the same things that
44:56
Speaker 2: like Stephen Greer and people of the like are saying now, right,
45:00
Speaker 2: But Jim Spark seems to have just completely disappeared. I
45:05
Speaker 2: can't find anything about him dying. I can't find anything
45:10
Speaker 2: about like work he's done since then. He was interviewed
45:14
Speaker 2: by Art Bell. There's an interview out there, like you
45:18
Speaker 2: can still find that on YouTube. But then he just
45:22
Speaker 2: kind of like vanishes the book he wrote, like the
45:26
Speaker 2: publishing company doesn't mention it anymore. The publishing company also
45:32
Speaker 2: at first it looks like a publishing company still, but
45:34
Speaker 2: then you scroll down and now they're selling watches. There's
45:38
Speaker 2: just like no information out there about this book anymore.
45:42
Speaker 2: But there was a time where people were like this
45:45
Speaker 2: guy seems like he's not crazy, and if you listen
45:48
Speaker 2: to his interviews, he doesn't. He's very matter of fact
45:51
Speaker 2: sure about everything.
45:53
Speaker 3: You know, maybe he just went off the grid. If
45:57
Speaker 3: he's that much of a climate like hardcore climate guy,
46:01
Speaker 3: maybe he like it could be Yeah, maybe he's just
46:04
Speaker 3: like chilling.
46:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, his name's again Jim Sparks. If you're listening, Jim,
46:10
Speaker 2: reach out, because for sure, I want to know what
46:13
Speaker 2: happened to you. It's the same thing as in it.
46:15
Speaker 2: It's the same thing as the guy who wrote the
46:18
Speaker 2: book that we based all of the Jonestown episodes on, right,
46:22
Speaker 2: guy named Michael Myers.
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Speaker 3: Not that one no relation, wait, but the other one both.
46:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's actually secretly related to both government just doesn't
46:31
Speaker 2: want to let you know. And like that guy too,
46:34
Speaker 2: like he's just like in the wind now, Like we
46:38
Speaker 2: talked to the publisher of that book for that episode
46:41
Speaker 2: and the guy's like, yeah, he just like showed up
46:44
Speaker 2: and kind of dropped off his book and we've never
46:47
Speaker 2: fucking heard from him again. It's like, so, is that
46:50
Speaker 2: guy the conspiracy or is Jonestown the conspiracy? And it's
46:55
Speaker 2: the same thing here, Like who the fuck is Jim Sparks.
46:58
Speaker 2: It's just like gone now. So one of the things
47:02
Speaker 2: I've been kind of kicking around for possible bonus episodes
47:08
Speaker 2: for the subscribers is to do like a book club
47:12
Speaker 2: kind of thing where we read a book and talk
47:16
Speaker 2: about it. And, as luck would have it, Jim Sparks book.
47:19
Speaker 2: It's not super easy to find. Yeah, but by that
47:23
Speaker 2: I just mean if you stop at Amazon, it's not
47:26
Speaker 2: super easy to find. You can still get it on
47:28
Speaker 2: paperback there, yeah, but you can also get it on
47:31
Speaker 2: Barnes and Noble as an ebook for like seven ninety nine.
47:34
Speaker 2: And again the book is called The Keepers, An Alien
47:38
Speaker 2: Message for the Human Race by Jim Sparks.
47:40
Speaker 3: Now, is there an audio book?
47:42
Speaker 2: There might be. I have not.
47:44
Speaker 3: I'll have to look that up.
47:46
Speaker 2: Hit.
47:46
Speaker 3: Maybe I could just find some crazy person who's read
47:49
Speaker 3: it all out loud at then.
47:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, there might be an audio book also. I mean
47:56
Speaker 2: Amazon and Audible are both essential Amazon, so might not be.
48:02
Speaker 2: But let's look.
48:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, there's no way that that
48:05
Speaker 3: title hasn't been used a a billion time.
48:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a true crime show also.
48:10
Speaker 3: Maybe search for uh the author Jim Sparks Time Travel
48:15
Speaker 3: is Jim Sparks The Keepers? That can't be it. It's
48:19
Speaker 3: only an hour in twenty six minutes. This is a podcast.
48:22
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but also it seems like it's from twenty
48:26
Speaker 2: twenty three, so maybe Jim Sparks is alive and well
48:30
Speaker 2: maybe either way. I think on our next episode we're
48:34
Speaker 2: going to cover that book totally. And uh, if you
48:37
Speaker 2: the people at home want to follow along, just go
48:41
Speaker 2: find that book and read it and hell yeah, we'll
48:43
Speaker 2: all talk about it on the next episode. Until then,
48:46
Speaker 2: I think we did it. I think so, I think
48:49
Speaker 2: we I think we covered these UFO hearings.
48:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm convinced, Oh totally. I wish there was more,
48:55
Speaker 3: you know, Like I said, when I saw people getting
48:57
Speaker 3: all riled up about new a testimony, I was like,
49:01
Speaker 3: oh cool, I can't wait to see what new evidence.
49:05
Speaker 2: And it really is just a lot more of the same. Yeah,
49:09
Speaker 2: like a lot of what we've heard, but kind of
49:13
Speaker 2: a little bit less. So Olivia, thank you so much.
49:16
Speaker 3: Thank you.
49:17
Speaker 2: Do you have anything to plug before we get out
49:19
Speaker 2: of here.
49:20
Speaker 3: You can find me on X there. People hate people
49:26
Speaker 3: get mad at me when I get mad at you
49:29
Speaker 3: when I when I call it X and when I
49:31
Speaker 3: talk about xing, I find it.
49:35
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what they're calling it now, well else he's
49:37
Speaker 2: supposed to call it. It's not Twitter anymore. Baby on
49:40
Speaker 2: Blue Sky, you call it skeet.
49:41
Speaker 3: Well, no see, and that's one that I refuse. I
49:46
Speaker 3: will never see.
49:48
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, I don't think I have anything to plug. Yeah,
49:50
Speaker 2: fucking whatever, Let's get out of here, Olivia say goodbye, bye,
49:54
Speaker 2: goodbye everybody. We love you. People of Earth. Your planets
50:03
Speaker 2: have to be destroyed.
50:12
Speaker 1: Stretched, stretch, your planets have to be destroyed.