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Global Reset Closer Than You Think - Bob Hoye #6288 · Financial Survival Network

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  Speaker 2: And welcome.
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  Speaker 3: You are listening to the Financial Survival Network. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 3: Carrie Lutz. Well, silver prices trading at thirteen maybe fourteen
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  Speaker 3: year high is at this point I just looked at
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  Speaker 3: my screen thirty six and a half bucks. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: finally the world's catching on. But someone who's caught on
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  Speaker 3: a long time ago, who's actually predicting history before it
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  Speaker 3: gets written.
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  Speaker 2: Bob hoy, Bob. Great to have you back on the show.
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  Speaker 4: Hi, Carrie.
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  Speaker 5: Good to be with you and our listeners out there.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely and it's always great to connect with you. So
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  Speaker 3: let's not talk about politics or the politics in the
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  Speaker 3: direct outcropping or outgrowth of economics.
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  Speaker 2: What's happening now? Where are we now?
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  Speaker 3: I mean we got thirty three hundred dollars gold that
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  Speaker 3: seems to be resistance at this point, thirty six and
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  Speaker 3: a half bucks silver. We're talking us, of course, where
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  Speaker 3: does that leave us?
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  Speaker 5: Well, we'll just this has been a great financial bubble.
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  Speaker 6: And the first one was the South Seat bubble in
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  Speaker 6: seventeen twenty and then the ones that followed, like.
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  Speaker 5: Twenty nine was number five, were number six, and each
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  Speaker 5: of them carried It is remarkably similar patterns as you
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  Speaker 5: went through it, although although the speculating public doesn't have
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  Speaker 5: a roadmap, it is able of doing it. Within this,
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  Speaker 5: you have.
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  Speaker 4: Real gold price.
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  Speaker 5: Deflated by the CPI rather into inflation, and.
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  Speaker 6: In a great bubble, in the final stage of it,
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  Speaker 6: the final year, the deflated pricycled from.
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  Speaker 5: And then it goes up, and the go.
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  Speaker 6: Goes real price has been going up. And then also
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  Speaker 6: I like to use gold divided by this TRB commodity
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  Speaker 6: in this and I assume that the CRB is.
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  Speaker 4: A proxy for mining costs. And in this case, you.
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  Speaker 5: Don't have to focus focus on the dollar price of gold.
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  Speaker 4: You look at the deflated price of gold.
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  Speaker 6: And if gold bullion is outperforming the mining costs in
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  Speaker 6: the gold mining business is making money, isn't it so?
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  Speaker 6: And that has been the case in all of the
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  Speaker 6: post bubble depressions. Everything else is under pressure base metals, industry, commerce, agriculture,
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  Speaker 6: but goals real price going up makes the gold mining
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  Speaker 6: sector very viable, and so it is.
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  Speaker 5: It's important to follow Goes real price.
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  Speaker 7: And then the next one is the real price of copper,
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  Speaker 7: representing base metals all together.
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  Speaker 5: And uh, copper real price goes up with the bubble
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  Speaker 5: and down with the bust. And to give you idea
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  Speaker 5: of how copper stocks.
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  Speaker 6: Can can do, our base metal stocks can do the
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  Speaker 6: eighteen seventy three boom.
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  Speaker 4: We usually we.
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  Speaker 6: Stumbled on an index of mining and smelting companies from
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  Speaker 6: that period, and that index had a high of around
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  Speaker 6: four hundred.
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  Speaker 5: In seventeen eighteen seventy three, and fifteen years later it
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  Speaker 5: was down to about forty.
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  Speaker 6: The the base metal miners were disaster by that measure.
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  Speaker 6: And then the other one that you get is that
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  Speaker 6: gold the senior currency becomes chronically firm, and of course
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  Speaker 6: US dollar is the senior currency, and countries like Argentina
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  Speaker 6: that oh huge amount to dollars into doing payable in
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  Speaker 6: New York really don't like the firm dollar. And this
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  Speaker 6: is what really firms said that if you've got the
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  Speaker 6: bubble over, and then the world financial.
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  Speaker 5: System turns to servicing debt.
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  Speaker 6: And if most of the debt or a majority of
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  Speaker 6: the debt has been written in US dollars doing payable
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  Speaker 6: in New.
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  Speaker 5: York, that's what makes a chronically firm senior currency. And
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  Speaker 5: it's it's going to be exasperating.
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  Speaker 6: To the Federal Reserve, who's the only policy they the fence.
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  Speaker 6: There is only no one policy depreciation and whatever is
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  Speaker 6: going on now, the remedy is to depreciate the currency.
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  Speaker 6: So here you have you're going to have the frustration
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  Speaker 6: of the Federal Reserve not being able to depreciate its
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  Speaker 6: own currency.
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  Speaker 4: I mean policy making will be by the bye. So
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  Speaker 4: so that's that one. And then and so this it
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  Speaker 4: all adds up two and the four key points are.
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  Speaker 6: I say that in aggregate they are marking the transition
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  Speaker 6: from a great financial bubble to a great depression.
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  Speaker 5: And I'll use that term meaning that, you know, a
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  Speaker 5: great depression. But and but within this, as I say,
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  Speaker 5: and to.
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  Speaker 6: Repeat, the gold mining becomes very prosperous and it's wonderful.
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  Speaker 5: And actually the big gold rushes when there was surface alluvial.
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  Speaker 6: Gold available to discovered eighteen ninety five or eighty ninety seven,
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  Speaker 6: the Klondike eighteen forty five, the California gold Russias, Well,
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  Speaker 6: they were a natural phenomenon because you had a high real.
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  Speaker 5: Price for gold and the world knows it.
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  Speaker 6: And then at the same time, with a great depression,
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  Speaker 6: you had a huge number of men unemployed.
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  Speaker 5: So then that's where when alumia.
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  Speaker 6: Gold was discovered at a surface, they prospectors they went
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  Speaker 6: to California.
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  Speaker 8: In eighteen forties, and then in the Klondike in eighteen
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  Speaker 8: ninety eight or whenever that one was in ninety seven.
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  Speaker 6: So it's fascinating that the great gold gold rushes in
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  Speaker 6: history have occurred with high unemployment.
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  Speaker 5: And a high price for gold. So now would once
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  Speaker 5: look for another great gold rush.
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  Speaker 6: Probably all of the major surface gold alluvial gold deposits
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  Speaker 6: have been found, probably.
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  Speaker 4: And so there's not going to be that kind of
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  Speaker 4: a rush. So it seems to me that.
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  Speaker 5: The gold rush could occur in the stock markets.
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  Speaker 6: For a big gold star gold companies, Middland sized ones,
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  Speaker 6: and even juniors.
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  Speaker 5: And this is where.
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  Speaker 4: More than a year ago we put together a.
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  Speaker 5: List of how they look like promising junior gold stocks.
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  Speaker 5: They were included produced small producers, reproduction.
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  Speaker 9: And boss them outright edecoration items and some of those
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  Speaker 9: have done rather well.
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  Speaker 10: And one of our the lists on that it's called
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  Speaker 10: Casego Resources, and I am involved with the company it now.
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  Speaker 11: It has coming into visibility because it's cut and training.
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  Speaker 5: Up and out of the h exchange here and onto
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  Speaker 5: the ts X and that then opens the marketability for
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  Speaker 5: the company greatly. At the same time, the company is
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  Speaker 5: preparing for UH drilling down in. The property is in
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  Speaker 5: Colombia and close to the Brazilian border, so it's quite
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  Speaker 5: a bit south there, and the locals like us, and
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  Speaker 5: even there's a little content like it's an amusing.
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  Speaker 4: A little story care the local contingent of FAARC, the
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  Speaker 4: sort of terrorist.
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  Speaker 6: Group from Peru or wherever there's a local little contingent
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  Speaker 6: of fa r C there and the local natives in
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  Speaker 6: our camp it's like them because they.
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  Speaker 5: Keep the environmentalists away. So everything is.
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  Speaker 12: Fine for that area of Columbia to be working in.
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  Speaker 6: And the company's stock has just started to increase in volume,
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  Speaker 6: as it said, because it gets it's coming out of
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  Speaker 6: the age and there's work started, so there's actually quite
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  Speaker 6: an increase in volume in the stock here today.
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  Speaker 5: So that's one of our lists.
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  Speaker 13: That have moved in this week to the forefront.
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  Speaker 4: So pass that on to our listeners.
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  Speaker 2: Very exciting.
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  Speaker 3: So is there any way for these brilliant bureaucrats to
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  Speaker 3: actually rescue the system or is it too far gone?
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  Speaker 5: Oh? Overall? No, I think it is what.
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  Speaker 6: I call, and I haven't published this yet, what I
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  Speaker 6: call it tyrannical century.
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  Speaker 12: And if we just.
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  Speaker 6: Take a look of history since the early nineteen hundreds.
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  Speaker 5: It's been wars.
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  Speaker 11: Conductive upond countries, and then that's been the bearcrats and
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  Speaker 11: politicians will conduct the war against their own citizens. So
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  Speaker 11: it's been wars and chronic currency depression, inflation and intrusion
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  Speaker 11: in private life and each of these.
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  Speaker 13: But this is the third one, Terry. The first one
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  Speaker 13: was with Rome in the third century. And you say, okay,
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  Speaker 13: well where's your price index? Well, you don't have a
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  Speaker 13: price index.
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  Speaker 6: But the Romans were very good at documenting their currency depreciations.
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  Speaker 6: And there was one horrendous depreciation where.
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  Speaker 5: Our currency was a five.
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  Speaker 9: And no.
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  Speaker 5: Denomination with fifty.
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  Speaker 6: Silver and it ended up with three denomination.
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  Speaker 4: With just a silver wash.
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  Speaker 14: And then that court inflation went wild, and Diocletian was
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  Speaker 14: the emperor then, and he was he had an able
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  Speaker 14: administration and wanted to do things, so he put on
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  Speaker 14: price and wage controlled and that turned out to be a.
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  Speaker 5: Disaster, and then the whole thing collapsed, marking the end.
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  Speaker 6: Of the first Tyrannical century. Then the next one started
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  Speaker 6: in fifteen hundred when all of the silver and gold
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  Speaker 6: bullions started to come over from the New World and arriving.
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  Speaker 4: In Seville support of civilia. Spain was the supreme power.
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  Speaker 5: Then and it was unprecedented wealth.
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  Speaker 4: But this shows you what governments are like. The greatest
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  Speaker 4: windfall in history was not enough. They had to brawl
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  Speaker 4: like man and depreciate the currency, and that then marked.
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  Speaker 2: The end of.
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  Speaker 4: Spain as the supreme power. It just collapsed.
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  Speaker 6: And the next one started in the early nineteen hundreds.
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  Speaker 6: You had all of the stories about Marxism and Leninism
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  Speaker 6: and theories, and.
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  Speaker 4: You also had governments in Ain becoming.
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  Speaker 5: Overactive and resorting.
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  Speaker 4: To the printing brash shore we say currency evaluation and
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  Speaker 4: it's run its course. But twenty years.
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  Speaker 5: And we should look for guidance on this one is England.
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  Speaker 15: And the.
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  Speaker 5: Into the early thirteen hundreds because it did it. It
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  Speaker 5: was you know, it had it did all of the
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  Speaker 5: inflation things. And then oh sorry, early sixteen others, and
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  Speaker 5: then that's when the reform started. People just said enough
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  Speaker 5: big doll and England.
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  Speaker 6: Had a very gentle reform and it was wonderful.
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  Speaker 4: They called it. The following year Rater described it as
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  Speaker 4: a glorious revolution, and they gained The year following.
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  Speaker 5: They came in with their Bill of Rights. So what
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  Speaker 5: we're looking for now is another glorious revolution.
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  Speaker 9: And politics in the reading countries really could do with
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  Speaker 9: another glorious revolution and send I think it is underway.
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  Speaker 6: So this is the big picture stuff on on that.
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  Speaker 5: And so what this means is that quite likely a
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  Speaker 5: couple of decades of depression.
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  Speaker 6: The usual three to four year business cycle prevails, but
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  Speaker 6: recovery is are week and the recessions are noticeable.
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  Speaker 4: But for those in gold business and those who appreciate
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  Speaker 4: societal freedom, it's going to be getting into very very
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  Speaker 4: good times.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's always winners, there's always losers. I just want
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  Speaker 3: to share with you an experience I had. I actually
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  Speaker 3: was in Spain, visited Madrid and looking at it viewing
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  Speaker 3: it from the historical lens of this was the greatest
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  Speaker 3: empire on earth, the wealthiest, and they managed to blow
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  Speaker 3: it and collapses, economic collapses, wars. Finally the Spanish Revolution,
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  Speaker 3: Franco becomes the dictator, and then he dies in the seventies,
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  Speaker 3: and then it opens up. And I was in Madrid
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  Speaker 3: and looking at it through that lens, it's amazing to me.
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  Speaker 3: The city works, it is clean, it's safe in most places,
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  Speaker 3: and the traffic is not terrible. The infrastructure is really great.
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  Speaker 3: They keep building and extending their subways. So perhaps countries
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  Speaker 3: can come back from the abyss. Although obviously this was.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Spain seemed to miss some of the nastiness of
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  Speaker 5: the eighties. And also it's interesting that Philip. I guess, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: King and Emperor Philip, what's the powerful guy in the
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  Speaker 5: big Spanish boom. That's why the Philippinanes are cast the
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  Speaker 5: Philippines named after it, right.
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  Speaker 3: It's amazing, like so obviously I wouldn't call them exactly
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  Speaker 3: a world power.
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  Speaker 2: They're one of the pigs. After all.
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  Speaker 3: The debts out of control there, just like everywhere else
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  Speaker 3: in the world. I think what many people don't get
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  Speaker 3: is that every country of the world is drowning in
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  Speaker 3: the up to their eyeballs and debt, with the exception
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  Speaker 3: of Russia. So whatever happens the global reset, it's got
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  Speaker 3: to happen for everyone. It can't just happen for one.
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  Speaker 3: I was just at the Bitcoin conference in Las Vegas,
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  Speaker 3: and let me tell you, Bob, there was more money there,
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  Speaker 3: you know, sponsored by Blackstone, and it's just rolling in
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  Speaker 3: cash like you cannot believe, you know, these booths it
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  Speaker 3: was wasn't in the convention.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, in a winning game. It's the amount of whilst
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  Speaker 5: generated is stangering it is.
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  Speaker 3: I have a what was a relatively small position, but
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  Speaker 3: it keeps getting bigger and bigger. I have a theory
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  Speaker 3: about this, and I'm going to run it by you.
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  Speaker 3: They can't reset the system to gold and silver if
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  Speaker 3: they just They're never going to do that because it
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  Speaker 3: means kind of giving up control. You know, there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of reasons not to do it. But if you
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  Speaker 3: look at the greatest performing asset in the history of
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  Speaker 3: the man, perhaps it's bitcoin ten cents ten cents fourteen
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  Speaker 3: years ago would now be worth about one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: seven or eight thousand dollars. Who's to say it can't
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  Speaker 3: go a hundred or a thousand times more. And what
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  Speaker 3: if the United States was sitting on the largest pile
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  Speaker 3: of bitcoin of anybody in the world. We knew they've
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  Speaker 3: seized it from numerous drug dealers, money lunderers, you name it,
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  Speaker 3: everybody they are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just sitting on them.
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  Speaker 5: I got to point out therey that with the Great
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  Speaker 5: Reformation have I been calling it, they the public will
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  Speaker 5: force the Federal Reserve to go to a gold standard
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  Speaker 5: gold convertibility. Yeah, and they And of course in England
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  Speaker 5: they went off of seventeen.
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  Speaker 6: Ninety seven Napoleonic crazy period, they stop payments, went off
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  Speaker 6: gold or with a financial crisis, and then oh yeah,
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  Speaker 6: eighteen nineteen or so they pledged to get back on gold, and.
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  Speaker 4: I think by eighteen twenty five they were fully.
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  Speaker 5: Fully on gold convertibility for there or pound.
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  Speaker 2: And that might well be the case.
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  Speaker 3: But what I really believe is going to happen here
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  Speaker 3: is that bitcoin will go to somewhere between ten and
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  Speaker 3: fifty million per coin. The US will then turn around
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  Speaker 3: and seek to pay off their debt using a bitcoin
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  Speaker 3: based coin, And that I believe is how this thing ends,
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  Speaker 3: rather than a collapse, which which in modern world we
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  Speaker 3: can't have it. We can't have a currency, a global
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  Speaker 3: currency collapse, because how do you get back from it?
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's no way to ever.
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  Speaker 5: He's someone that I entertained myself with carriers, as they say,
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  Speaker 5: a chain as the example, they oh dollars due on
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  Speaker 5: debt due and payable into New York. So the the
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  Speaker 5: amount of money the debt bubble is effectively a short
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  Speaker 5: position of US dollars because if you have brought money
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  Speaker 5: in New York, that loan is due and payable in
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  Speaker 5: US dollars in New York, in London area in New York.
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  Speaker 4: And this has been.
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  Speaker 5: The case in the past where the you know, earlier
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  Speaker 5: it was sterling pound sterling and and.
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  Speaker 4: London was the financial center. And this is the way
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  Speaker 4: it works.
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  Speaker 2: And all in the.
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  Speaker 5: Bubble is over. The world changes to paying down debt
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  Speaker 5: and you got to pay it down into the world
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  Speaker 5: financial center in senior currency units. And you know, going
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  Speaker 5: from here's one that Gresham, the great creator from fifteen hundreds,
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  Speaker 5: after which.
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  Speaker 15: Five days some writer guys called it Gresham's law, but
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  Speaker 15: he pointed out in letters he was the financial agent
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  Speaker 15: for the British Crown in the money market in Antwerp,
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  Speaker 15: and he wrote letters to the.
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  Speaker 6: Crown advising and this is where he pointed out that
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  Speaker 6: the worst thing in the world is to be servicing
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  Speaker 6: debt from a weak currency to a firm senior currency.
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  Speaker 4: And at that time it.
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  Speaker 5: Was Antwerp and the Guilder and he actually got through
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  Speaker 5: to the count Elizabeth and they did firm up Stirling
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  Speaker 5: and that.
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  Speaker 4: Made debt service a whole lot better. So this is
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  Speaker 4: this is pretty old stuff, but it's it's it's the
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  Speaker 4: way financial markets work.
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  Speaker 3: Well, everything old is new again. But the dollar has
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  Speaker 3: been weak, you know, it broke a hundred? Is it
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  Speaker 3: coming back up? What's going to happen here?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I thought that they that spoke up to one
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  Speaker 5: ten at year end was celebrating the beginning of Trump's
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  Speaker 5: term of as president. And then that was that it
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  Speaker 5: was overbought.
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  Speaker 6: And then then it got hit, you know, very hard,
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  Speaker 6: in a very fast time.
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  Speaker 4: So our current look now for the.
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  Speaker 5: R DX is it just got trashed and now we
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  Speaker 5: think it can We prefer that it.
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  Speaker 6: Would trade and narrow range sideways for a few months
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  Speaker 6: and we'll see what happens there and then also we
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  Speaker 6: want to keep in mind that a lot of the
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  Speaker 6: good stuff happens as you get into mid year. Remember
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  Speaker 6: the old thing selling me and go Away, and.
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  Speaker 5: All of the great financial bubbles as they occurred in
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  Speaker 5: London peaked in May or June, and then did it
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  Speaker 5: around in the summer months and then got nailed in
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  Speaker 5: the fall beginning in late.
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  Speaker 13: September, and most of them had their dreadful time in
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  Speaker 13: October and.
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  Speaker 4: Then sort of settled out and set a base and
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  Speaker 4: cleared the markets in the middle of November.
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  Speaker 6: It's step one the eighteen twenty five bubble where the
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  Speaker 6: forced liquidation went right through November and actually into the
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  Speaker 6: first week in January. And I couldn't find any reason
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  Speaker 6: for it. It just happened that way.
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  Speaker 5: So we are at the time of the year one
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  Speaker 5: good times may be found. And then beginning in the fall,
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  Speaker 5: you go.
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  Speaker 12: Into October and that typically has been the time if
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  Speaker 12: there's going to be a discovery of a disaster, the
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  Speaker 12: discovery of the meat in the fall.
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  Speaker 5: So that's what we want to keep our eye on, Carrie.
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  Speaker 2: In the fall.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's always then, right, it always happens, it seems like.
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  Speaker 3: But also we had some crashes in March as well,
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  Speaker 3: but we're past March. We're on to We're on to
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  Speaker 3: the bigger and better things here.
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  Speaker 2: Bob.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I know you got this list you hinted at.
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  Speaker 2: How do we get the list?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, just getting sending a request to me, Bob
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  Speaker 5: along at Shaw dot ca A or two. You're off
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  Speaker 5: us and just request the list of juniors, Bob Roy's
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  Speaker 5: list of juniors, and we'll be glad to send it
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  Speaker 5: to you.
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  Speaker 2: Excellent, all right, Bob. It's always a pleasure.
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  Speaker 3: If you've got a question for Bob or myself, you
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  Speaker 3: want that list, Klatcarrie LUTs dot com. I know I've
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: got a couple of requests pending. I'll forward them off
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  Speaker 3: to you, Bob and you can ship them out. Appreciate
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  Speaker 3: your coming on. We will talk to you again soon,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: but the things are definitely getting interesting.
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  Speaker 4: They are kery fun to talk with you.
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  Speaker 2: Now more than ever