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Talks to Si Hart about his choice of Full Circle (3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Which I've now lost count of how many times I've said that in my
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  life. It's quite a lot.
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  I'm hello. We're back for part. 3 of Full
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  Circle. Hello Joe.
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  Hello. I'm did you tell Dexter that I
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  did? I'm good.
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  Is he still with us only? Just not for much longer.
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  Some would say it's just as others, you know?
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  Absolutely Baker certainly would If you have a type of you've to
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  work out with me, beginning of this episode.
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  Well, as I said, this was a story that I had on cassette.
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  So we recorded the soundtrack to This, and me and my sister used
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  to play a game in the living room, where we would throw all
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  the cushions on the floor. And then we would play the
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  Cliffhanger to Part 2 at the start of part 3, where you can
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  hear all the spiders scuttling around and we'd have to jump
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  from all. Christian's.
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  The spiders didn't gets us. Pretty much the same as hot.
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  Lava only with spiders, you know, my God glowing eyes, jump
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  up, only spiders. Let's play a game of it now.
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  Oh no. I've already spilled water on
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  your carpet. I don't want to break your
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  soldiers grave. Well looks I I believe there is
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  a fair amount of exposition. It is we're going to get a lot
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  of information from the heart. Yeah so you pay attention, I'm
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  paying attention because I need you to absorb it and then put it
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  across to me in a way that I'll understand.
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  Okay, that's fine. My audio cassette of this story
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  eventually broke but part 3 for some reason survived and managed
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  to copy pop free before the tape disintegrated.
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  So they got chewed up because they were played so often.
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  So part three. I know incredibly well.
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  So we're okay. You have tape.
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  Recordings of all stories. No, for zolly.
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  I only ever did this one and then you never did any others.
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  I did a few later on. So when I got a copy of the
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  green deaf, which was lent to me by a school friend of my
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  sisters, I had to give the tape back.
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  So I recorded that. So my dad, as I said had the
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  stereo connector It's a to the TV, so I could record the
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  soundtrack to that. And I did a couple so that I
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  could listen to them when I was a teenager.
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  And so I can't remember which are so I did.
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  But of robots of death was one Robles.
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  Definitely, definitely. One always going to say, what
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  the hell did stay a Decay ever do to you?
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  Well, I had the talking book of of State of Decay, which was dr.
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  Hall, State of Decay, read by Tom Baker.
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  Doctor and his two companions Romana, and canine were lost.
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  It wasn't the first time that they didn't know that adric was
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  there. And I enjoy the fact, does he
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  barely feature in that book? He's yes.
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  My canine he doesn't feature a lot.
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  So very strange name. So yeah.
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  So I but yeah, bizarrely. We never fought to do this and
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  actually we got a video, recorder recorder fairly early.
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  So we got one ready for must have been around Christmas 1982.
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  So I'm from Arc of infinity onwards.
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  I was recording each night's episode watching it recording
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  the next episode over that one because we only had a few
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  technology. Yes, I've heard your Tales of
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  tragedy. Yeah, so using the endings of
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  stories and then I was allowed to keep the five doctors because
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  that was such a special story that I was allowed to be kept on
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  tape number two. So that was, that's why, you
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  know, that one is that, I don't know.
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  Exactly. Because I just watch them.
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  Watch them, watch them, watch them.
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  Watch that. That's okay but so this part
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  three of this one, I know. No really.
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  Well well there is a fact, you know that for the 60th
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  celebration. I am thinking of doing some with
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  the five doctors you know how to keep it under my hat run right
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  now but basically I'm evolving you.
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  All right, okay. That's very happy to be there.
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  I can pretty much rope you in 20.
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  Just tell me and I'll be there. Well sighs, should we head into
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  part 3? Do it and find out what Is all
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  the mysteries of the Starliner. Well, you better kept me in jail
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  in five, four, three, two, one off we go.
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  Here we go. I can remember as well.
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  There was a review in sfx magazine for the East, based
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  Trilogy. And the like the conclusion of
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  the review was this isn't just sticky back plastic.
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  Officer, who is that? You remember, fondly and sort of
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  pattern, its head? This is genuinely great
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  television. And I read that before I watched
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  it, and I was like, really. And I just remember being blown
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  away by the production value of Full Circle, State of Decay and
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  warriors gauge true and they're all all brilliant in different
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  ways. That's what I love.
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  There's no story quite like Warriors Gates.
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  Interestingly, this is the smoothest production, isn't it?
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  Yes, State of Decay went through revisions.
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  Yeah. As Christopher H bid, Mead and
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  Terrance dicks battled it out and Tom Baker and lalla Ward,
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  battled it out as well. Or having a Marvel.
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  Yeah. Depending on what they are.
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  Yes and then obviously Warriors Kate was a absolutely there too?
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  Yeah. Awesome.
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  Now. Yes.
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  So actually this one was quite smooth as Paul Joyce and Graham
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  Harper and anyone that knows all right.
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  I'll talk just picked up the camera and said well let's
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  direct this thing, you know. And I'm in Matthew waterhouse's,
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  amazing book, blue box, boy. I'm he talks about problems, he
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  had sat in the third person, he's pretentious and it's
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  wonderful. I love it.
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  But he says about the problems, he had with Peter grimwade and
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  the direction, and the tensions because it's Grandma was
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  neurotic and difficult, think you can hear it in their
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  commentary, you know, because Waterhouse It's p.m. off it up
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  both in the commentary haha and he's having a go at him in that.
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  Yeah, no not Peter Moffat. Peter grimwade.
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  I'll Peter greenaway. Oh okay.
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  Thank you fancy do. I think that might have been
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  part of the problem here because you know what is also very
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  pretty inside that those Dreadful pajamas?
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  No no, you see him in a leather jacket.
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  Back in the huh? He was very cute.
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  A few Wars. Yes, it's got a little snug
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  knows, he's me that camera just glided effortlessly across that
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  course, dude. There's some dynamism in my
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  audio recording in that scene where we're addressing.
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  I don't know. I think we're you can hear me
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  saying, I think they're going to Gallifrey attention to what was
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  going on. None of this survives.
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  No, you can't hit my dad singing, along with the theme
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  tune, when he came in and, and things like that.
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  So we could, we could sell these.
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  We can Market these things now, you know.
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  Okay. So the doctor is starting up to
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  Easter. Yeah, look at the looks Tom's.
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  Giving him a bit of good. Good side I going on there.
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  Immediately realized there's something up.
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  Yeah and he's working it out. That's the bit.
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  We obviously get so angry. He has to go to the sides and
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  then he goes, it's been ready for years and even towards us
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  files, doesn't he? And you see this panel
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  underneath? I said, I drive.
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  Ya ready to go? Yeah.
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  I think actually this is the episode with all the big drama
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  is. Yeah.
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  This is the drama that the confrontations.
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  Yeah. Which is quite good for a pulp
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  free because usually that's all a part for things.
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  So it seems running around the spot more, lots of information
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  but it's quite a lot of running around in part 4.
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  I still had those drama there though because they've put
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  family link between a drink involved.
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  Yeah and there's the danger. I just don't think that if you
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  will ask can sell. No sadly not.
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  It looks very sad for a second and he goes, oh, I've got this
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  bit of equipment for you. I guess you're fucking Brother
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  for God's sakes. Never mind.
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  He's very jolly in a state of decay.
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  Jesus considering, yeah, pop it away in the console room.
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  Like, that's just because he can't walk properly on camera.
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  Has this fella George Baker. Has he been in another dr.
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  Justo. No, he never did another
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  dumpster who but and he he sort of the lighter side of the
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  decide yesterday and he's obviously curious dads and he's
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  had to renounce us that he could be a decider.
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  I'm on it is covered in spider. Yes, that icky.
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  Oh, no location were calls on us to show that they're on their
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  way to keep reminding that they're using CSO as well.
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  Yeah, it makes not to make it look, long hard or yeah, that's
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  great. Because it's really interesting
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  the other day I was watching Jim Henson's the Storyteller.
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  Yeah, right. Hmm, which was made on like a
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  film budget and it's all done. The single camera.
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  Every shot is lit to Perfection with the most sort of Exquisite
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  up-to-date special effects. You could find.
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  Yeah, that was made. I think me it's too late 80s,
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  and we did have a discussion about Doctor Who and how it
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  looks so much better than Doctor.
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  Who Bots. Then it made me sit back and
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  say, actually, what they achieved on Doctor?
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  Yes, when it was on a hundredth of the budget, the same three
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  weeks overdue through these stories in the studio is, that's
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  what real Valentine said. The amount of dogs are who they
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  made compared to storytellers, only like they ever sewed,
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  sacrifice. And then we don't build over
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  like a month, you know? Making 28 episodes here.
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  Ted. This quality always got lovely
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  hairy chest. I don't know.
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  No. But I bet he's got his is flap
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  open on a sure. Hope this is this is yeah on
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  what he's saying Romano Romana. And it's great.
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  Our bewildered all the kids. Yes.
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  When they come out. You think after the first or
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  second time, we just tear his way in there, you know, where is
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  she? So that's nice as well as you
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  got Kira and Logan who are father and daughter.
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  Thank you. So those family elements.
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  Yeah, that's nice. It that is all the way through
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  season 18, isn't it? We ask you got Miss and her
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  father, you've got meaner and angle and more it.
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  Although that's turned out to be a face yet.
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  False family link, doesn't it? It's really family in my closet
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  everywhere is No sign of Decay is all the peasants do.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  It's yeah. It's Ivo.
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  And his son taken away. Some or is Caterers and Keep On
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  Truckin there, definitely is. And to get on her, auntie.
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  And those are, those are sort of all the emotional moments
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  because someone always ends up dying.
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  Yeah, that was fun enough time on Vanessa ends up dying Vash
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  ends up dying. So all they made family members
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  specifically for the purpose of creating some drama, this is a
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  great bit of music as well where it comes out.
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  Here. I think that case that would
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  benefit from being shot on film. Yes, but their film work has
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  been extraordinary in this, so I won't complain too much.
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  Oh, that's why I said I do, they do some experiments.
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  I don't know. They do experiments on the
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  spider. Obviously, Dexter does the
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  experiment on the monster child. And it's interesting because if
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  that didn't happen. Yeah, then we wouldn't get our
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  twist know exactly. So it moves the plot along and
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  it basically even the doctor has a terrible reaction to it.
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  That's the missing piece of the puzzle.
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  So it kind of having a morally ambiguous character like Dexter
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  in this prevents the doctor from having to do something appalling
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  exactly in order for the plot to make sense.
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  And we also got the mystery of what's happening to Romana.
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  So we just have to see whether doctors going to collect her.
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  So she's she's conscious and talking.
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  But she doesn't know who the doctor is.
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  Who are you? Yeah, that's really eerie
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  because Yeah, or just because she should know who he is.
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  So as a child that was really, I think don't like it is scary.
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  Colorful veins. Yeah, face.
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  That's really creepy and she gives one of the most phenomenal
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  screams in the whole of the when the marshals yanked up bald.
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  Yeah. They love their Tardis scenes
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  inside. Susan, don't like that.
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  Was a lovely shot from the interior door.
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  Looking into the console room to be fair.
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  You didn't need to have that shot.
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  I know you could have just come in this room, but there's a
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  sense of going from one place. Yes, exactly to another.
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  Yeah. And to be fair Doctor Who has
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  been doing extended Tardis things way back to season Once.
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  Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of those when we
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  did the web Planet. Remember those are my keys in
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  there for two. To episode how she's the come
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  down from the wall. Yeah, it's all I we haven't seen
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  root of a sort of rest rooms and bedrooms in the Tardis before.
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  It's so interesting that he can't show the appropriate
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  amount of sort of said, no concerns for he Taps.
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  Her doesn't it? Because some other doctors
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  Woods. Yeah.
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  But Tom, isn't that kind of doctor?
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  And he, he set that up. And this is someone you've been
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  He cares really deeply for because you can see it.
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  And it, I know some of that is real life leaking over into
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  that. But now he still nowadays that
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  it we are well over. Yeah, and you wouldn't, but it's
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  just that and that for Toms doctor is a huge amount of
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  emotion, shooting for a screen. Yeah.
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  Lovely. We were saying that includes the
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  death with. Yeah, it's almost at a bit of
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  texture. I've got a bit of camera
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  movement in a scene that would be very static, otherwise, Three
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  decide only free time. So it's basically saying, can I
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  go ahead and you know that he's got the permission?
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  Yeah. But they for those.
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  Yeah. So does he want to share the
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  secret? I don't know.
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  It's interesting. Isn't it?
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  Because that might the the burden see the Mast child there
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  with the veins without strong light on it.
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  That looked like a real creature.
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  Well, as much as these things can oh yeah, what I really like
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  in James Breeze, performances, that you've got moments like
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  this where he's obviously troubled and but also he turns
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  on leadership bit when when the scrutinies on him, but I do love
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  it when he's like it goes look for that whole rigmarole of
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  like, you know, you've disobeyed orders.
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  There will be no punishment. Yeah.
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  It is great and that. Again it's all about the
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  ceremony and then being above everyone else.
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  Look at this shot now. Yeah, the camera moves through
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  the crowd pass as a over the kids.
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  You take some the whole set. Your I wonder if Greenway sky
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  and I walk I might as well a little yeah, than b cinematic
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  because it does old cookie. If you ever seen him interview,
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  yeah, it sounds very intense, Blasco, not full of nervous
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  energy and apparently that was on the set as well.
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  Yeah, there's a very funny scene where he's trying to placate
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  Barrel read in a video. Darling, darling.
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  We'll be going in a minute. But again, you're shooting up at
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  them so they look more powerful. And shooting down.
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  Come on, the kids. At what point did you realize?
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  Doctor Who had a smaller budget than other shows, not till I was
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  a teenager. So what was the one thing like
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  like when was your first Bad Doctor, Who story?
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  I like, oh, that wasn't as good as I feel, you know?
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  Yeah, that that moment you have when you're like a teenager just
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  Patrol was he really so cheap? It was that was the first time.
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  So you went through all of trial of a Time Lord.
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  She's 22 deciding. I'm going to talk about this.
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  Sorry, but this is Tom at his most ferocious.
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  He says, what is it? That's not scientific curiosity
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  as cold-blooded murder. Yeah, Dexter does.
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  Yeah it does say, I know you can't from the marshmallow,
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  open, his eyes to lalla Ward, her eyes, and you've got the
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  link then between them. And here she goes.
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  I didn't listen to this scream. That's, that's ugh.
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  That's a proper. Primal scream.
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  That is the only thing that's Paul's is seen is I think
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  Matthew will ask looks like he's not quite sure.
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  Why is there? No, he looks a bit confused.
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  I'm my mom watching this scene. As he smashed up the stair.
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  During this is a bit violent, isn't it?
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  It is. He was gonna kill him.
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  Yeah. That's it.
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  They love the, I'm Greenway does, as does a similar scene in
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  Kinder. Yeah, that's right.
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  Yeah, when he has hidden door smashing up the set as well, I
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  think you really knew how to get the drama across.
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  It's just this little bit of poignancy where he sees the
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  doctor on the screen and that's why she always.
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  I'm sorry I'm laughing but it's There's there's a, there's a
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  sort of tragic irony. Yeah.
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  That is that the one person that's been kind to him and he
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  doesn't understand, then he screams.
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  Yeah. They say now yeah, told Micah
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  angry get out of the way everybody.
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  You're all in trouble. Look at that.
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  Look Not an alibi deciders. That's like we're spending
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  because I'm certainly it, fits him again.
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  Yeah. Well as it sort of golf Tim, I
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  think when he was Ill in State of Decay and make loss here,
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  he's feeling it again and it looks marvelous.
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  He's day. What he's literally.
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  I'm going to blame somebody for. Yes.
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  I bet it's not the way he angry. Yeah, I'm so folders out the way
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  round and round. So we're in this should now all
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  way. Uh-huh.
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  This Starliner isn't going anywhere.
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  It's been really for years. I'll Century.
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  So yeah. Not just years.
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  Wow. The green button gentleman.
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  But also is interesting that Logan men sides with the doctor
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  against the other two and he's down on the attack as well.
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  Jutsu. Yeah they've all been made monks
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  of And that's what's so wonderful, is that?
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  So fucking arrogant? Yes.
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  And all they lack is, is the one Vine college and that's
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  wonderful because suddenly it makes them poignant as well.
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  I swear there's a critique on authority figures here though.
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  Absolutely. Because they're all picking
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  themselves up and it's very interesting that knee Fred says
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  earlier on in the stories that that Logan is actually the most
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  respected person in the community above everyone else.
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  And that's why they've once a lighting with dr.
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  Yeah. And he's got a thing.
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  Yeah, he could take this whole civilization down.
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  No one knows how to Pilot this ship, the doctors fights.
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  Uh-huh. But it's such a great twist.
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  Yeah. And it's an interesting way of
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  telling a story because doctor who does, he doesn't usually
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  come from like shocked Concepts that I know it's usually false
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  Jeopardy. Yes.
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  And when it does shocked at, like, you remember the pirate
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  Planet when he realizes the full scale of?
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  Yes, monstrosity about technology, it's great.
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  Every time the show does that, It just doesn't do it.
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  No no usually it's you know kill them now and we haven't gone.
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  As a cliffhanger in this story where it's Jeopardy.
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  Now, the next thing is lalla Ward.
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  Sorry. Oh, man, yeah, and it's not a
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  kill the moment, it's not, it's the drop.
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  The suspense is to come. Yeah, you know, you know, Spider
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  goes look, very like a sponge, Shredded Wheat, is it?
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  But now okay, I'm going to ask you though because I think some
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  people would say the doctor just playing around with a
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  stethoscope. Not netskope was cool
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  microscope. Thank you microscope for a
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  couple of minutes now. Figuring out the plot.
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  Well, that's not the most exciting Doctor Who's ever been
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  no, but it's, it's needed. That's another thing as well.
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  That happens in Keep On Truckin. We're says, the tree mess.
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  Yeah. And he says, although no, I only
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  know you could die with your honor intact care.
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  Only the console's. Know that if Yashin, there's a
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  lot of familiar truck, they're all there.
• 24:11
  You don't think about them, for what I because this is quite a
• 24:16
  clinically told story. Yes, whereas Keep On Truckin is
• 24:19
  sort of lyrically told, isn't it?
• 24:24
  whereas Waris gate is just hypnotically it is say, it decay
• 24:29
  operatically told visually, told I look at the state of this room
• 24:50
  but it's because She smashed the room up because the marsh child
• 24:58
  has smashed the lab up so it's that we're making that link.
• 25:03
  Yeah. She's going downstairs here
• 25:06
  again is making the noise level. Yeah and the proper industrial
• 25:10
  stairs which I like Yeah. This is really nice because it
• 25:15
  is definitely the dangerous to come.
• 25:17
  Yeah, rather than the danger is now, and it's live up to its
• 25:23
  promise because we get a whole episode of them tearing their
• 25:27
  way for something. This is Paul's versus waistcoat
• 25:31
  from Nightmare of Eden ripped in half.
• 25:36
  Yeah. Broken image translator.
• 25:40
  So, he steals one later. Cheeky little rascal She's gonna
• 25:48
  do. She's got out that door.
• 25:50
  I'm letting me know, huh? You never did answer my question
• 25:55
  though. I never did.
• 25:56
  Did I about Matthew Waterhouse when you think he was his worst?
• 26:01
  And what's his best performance? Oh, oh, oh, speaking of the,
• 26:07
  he's never around when you want to him as one of his mother
• 26:10
  smokes Innovations. The worst.
• 26:13
  But is it actually fall to Doomsday because no one's good
• 26:15
  in Fulton tombs day. People are staring chloride,
• 26:19
  please. GE GE.
• 26:22
  Give me the Tardis key. No, it's best.
• 26:30
  I think it's best might be of shop.
• 26:34
  I think you might be look or police.
• 26:36
  We've got, he's very good in the populace Universe.
• 26:38
  Yeah. And something about him.
• 26:42
  Just him and Tom. What?
• 26:43
  Plus that sequence where he hides under the bike?
• 26:49
  I think. When he and Tom are alone, he
• 26:52
  obviously has got a yes, or a no.
• 26:54
  Sorry, as much as much as he's actually possible.
• 26:57
  Yeah, I do think he's good in this.
• 27:00
  I think he's had bits to it and stay at the K.
• 27:02
  Yes. I think it's already first lady.
• 27:05
  What am I not storage for you already?
• 27:07
  Yeah, I say one's enough. First-night nerves may be the
• 27:14
  first one in front of the camera.
• 27:16
  He suddenly realized he's a lead in a show that he loves and he's
• 27:22
  worked out. The Tom Baker is a monster he's
• 27:24
  not getting on with lalla Ward he's in trouble with everyone.
• 27:27
  He's not being looked after and it does sound like when you read
• 27:31
  that blue box where it was a toxic environment sounds like it
• 27:34
  was Waitin, Sarah Sutton and Janet Fielding both say as well.
• 27:37
  Don't know that things weren't great.
• 27:39
  No. And they were coming in after
• 27:42
  Lord gone. Well, so I are you ready for
• 27:46
  Matthew Waterhouse to not remote as his brother dies in episode
• 27:52
  4? Yep, I am, and I say, contrary
• 27:56
  to something you said earlier about a lot of running around
• 27:58
  them. So for I think he's a really
• 28:00
  strong. I've been is, I think this is
• 28:02
  very strongly plotted story throughout.
• 28:05
  Yeah. Okay, well let's do it.
• 28:07
  Let's do it. And they were coming in after
• 27:42
  Lord gone. Well, so I are you ready for
• 27:46
  Matthew Waterhouse to not remote as his brother dies in episode
• 27:52
  4? Yep, I am, and I say, contrary
• 27:56
  to something you said earlier about a lot of running around
• 27:58
  them. So for I think he's a really
• 28:00
  strong. I've been is, I think this is
• 28:02
  very strongly plotted story throughout.
• 28:05
  Yeah. Okay, well let's do it.
• 28:07
  Let's do it.