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Katie Johnson and Donald Trump: Examining the Claims and the Silence · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. The San Francisco Chronicle has an article today
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Speaker 1: about Katie Johnson, the girl who accused Donald Trump of
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Speaker 1: assaulting her with Jeffrey Epstein, but then pulled the lawsuit
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Speaker 1: back and voluntarily dismissed it. Now, of course, there's been
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Speaker 1: a ton of questions about who Katie Johnson might be
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Speaker 1: or if she even exists, And I wish I had
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Speaker 1: an answer for you. I do not, But what I
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Speaker 1: will say is this, like everything else in this case,
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Speaker 1: everything else when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein, the line
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Speaker 1: between what's real and what's not real is always blurred.
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Speaker 1: And we have to recognize that there's going to be
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Speaker 1: people out there that are scandalous as fuck that are
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Speaker 1: going to try and piggyback off of what Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: was up to, the crimes he committed, and try and
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Speaker 1: use that for their own gain. So what are we
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Speaker 1: left with, Well, basically we're left with a Gordian not right,
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Speaker 1: and it's up to us to try and untangle it. Well,
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Speaker 1: today we're going to talk a little bit more about
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Speaker 1: Katie Johnson, and I'm going to leave it up to you, folks,
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Speaker 1: to believe or not believe whatever you want. Again, it's
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Speaker 1: my job to open the door, and if you decide
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Speaker 1: you want to walk through that door, that's up to you.
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Speaker 1: So let's get started talking about Katie Johnson, and let's
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Speaker 1: try and separate some of the truth from some of
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Speaker 1: the bs. Recently, one of the questions that I've been
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Speaker 1: asked about quite often is who is Katie Johnson? And
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Speaker 1: my answer is I wish I knew. Besides what was
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Speaker 1: reported about her and the lawsuit that was filed and
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Speaker 1: then dismissed against President Trump, there isn't much to go on. However,
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Speaker 1: in light of the new circumstances surrounding Donald Trump and
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Speaker 1: his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, you knew that it wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be long before this was brought back into the spotlight.
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Speaker 1: So the first thing we need to get out of
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Speaker 1: the way is that the lawsuit was dropped by Katie Johnson. Now,
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Speaker 1: of course, there are a lot of allegations about her
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Speaker 1: being intimidated or her being pressured, But the truth it is,
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Speaker 1: while that is certainly a possibility, we don't have any
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Speaker 1: evidence of that. What we're left with, like with most
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Speaker 1: situations involving Jeffrey Epstein is more questions than there are answers.
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Speaker 1: And the reason that that matters, and the reason people
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Speaker 1: keep circling back to her name, is because her story
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Speaker 1: represents something that sits right at the heart of the
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Speaker 1: entire case, the space between what we know and what
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Speaker 1: we can't prove, between what seems obvious and what we
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Speaker 1: are technically allowed to say out loud. Every time this
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Speaker 1: conversation comes up, the ground beneath it feels unstable, like
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Speaker 1: the moment before an earthquake, when everything is too quiet.
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Speaker 1: It's unsettling to consider that a woman could stand up
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Speaker 1: and accuse two of the most powerful men in America
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Speaker 1: of something so horrific and then just disappear from the
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Speaker 1: public record without leaving a trail to follow or answers
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Speaker 1: to hold onto. The silence around her isn't just a
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Speaker 1: lack of information, It's its own kind of signal. It
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Speaker 1: forces you to sit with the discomfort of not knowing,
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Speaker 1: and it demands you recognize the machinery of power that
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Speaker 1: has always operated behind the scenes. In the Epstein saga, Look,
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Speaker 1: I have no idea what happened or didn't happen, and
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and pretend otherwise, just
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Speaker 1: as sound authoritative. I don't know if she was telling
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Speaker 1: the truth, and I don't know if she fabricated the
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Speaker 1: whole thing out of fear or confusion, or desperation or
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Speaker 1: something darker. What I do know, because history has beaten
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Speaker 1: it into us like a hammer, is that when Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein's name enters the equation, the normal rules of reality
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Speaker 1: stop applying. And look, that's not paranoia. It's a documented
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Speaker 1: pattern stretching back decades. Things that should make sense suddenly don't.
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Speaker 1: People who should be easy to find somehow disappear, like smoke.
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Speaker 1: Records that should be public get sealed. Evidence that should
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Speaker 1: be preserved, winds up, destroyed, Cameras that should be working
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Speaker 1: suddenly malfunction. Guards who should be awake conveniently fall asleep.
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Speaker 1: And every time we try to understand what actually happened,
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Speaker 1: we hit an in visible a wall that someone built
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Speaker 1: long before we ever started asking questions. And that's why
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Speaker 1: it feels impossible to dismiss anything out right when it
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Speaker 1: comes to Epstein. If this story has taught us anything,
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Speaker 1: it's that certainty as a luxury that nobody gets. You
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Speaker 1: learn quickly that expecting the unexpected is in cynicism, it's survival.
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Speaker 1: It's a defensive reflex. After watching the truth get twisted, suffocated,
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Speaker 1: and buried over and over again in broad daylight. Every
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Speaker 1: time someone says that couldn't possibly be true, we end
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Speaker 1: up watching that exact thing unravel in front of us
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Speaker 1: six months later. Every time the public is told to
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Speaker 1: stop digging, something huge breaks loose that proves they were
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Speaker 1: trying to bury it. Every time a lead looks dead,
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Speaker 1: it turns out to be the one that matters. And
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Speaker 1: when a case, or a witness or a trail suddenly disappears,
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Speaker 1: it usually means we were getting too close to something
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Speaker 1: someone never wanted exposed. So do I know who Katie
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Speaker 1: Johnson really is or what did or didn't happen to
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Speaker 1: I don't, and I'm not going to pretend I do
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Speaker 1: to score points or try to play the hero. What
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Speaker 1: I do know is that silence is not an answer,
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Speaker 1: and disappearance shouldn't be closure. And we don't get to
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Speaker 1: shrug and move on just because the story makes powerful
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Speaker 1: people uncomfortable. We don't get to forget because it's messy
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Speaker 1: or complicated or frightening. We don't get to surrender simply
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Speaker 1: because someone decided we've seen enough. There's a reason people
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Speaker 1: are still asking questions. There's a reason her name still surfaces.
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Speaker 1: There's a reason so much energy has been spent ensuring
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Speaker 1: nobody can say anything definitive about her. None of that
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Speaker 1: happens around nothing. So look, what I do know is
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Speaker 1: that we're going to keep digging in search of the
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Speaker 1: truth wherever it leads us. And that isn't a thread
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Speaker 1: or a promise to anyone except the truth itself. It's
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Speaker 1: a refusal to let silence have the final word. It's
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Speaker 1: a refusal to accept that unanswered questions are the same
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Speaker 1: thing as resolution. It's the belief that if a story
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Speaker 1: still burns after this long, it's because something underneath the
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Speaker 1: smoke has not finished revealing itself. We owe it to
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Speaker 1: the survivors, we owe it to the public, We owe
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Speaker 1: it to the integrity of history itself, and we owe
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Speaker 1: it to every person who was told to shut up,
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Speaker 1: sit down, and disappear for someone else's convenience. So that
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Speaker 1: leads us to the question, who is Katie Johnson? And
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Speaker 1: did she ever exist? Today's article is from the San
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Speaker 1: Francisco Chronicle and the headline a California woman accused both
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Speaker 1: Epstein and Trump? Did she ever exist? The author of
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Speaker 1: this article is Raheem Hosani. In the stacks of documents
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Speaker 1: that Congress released from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein are
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Speaker 1: numerous communications about one of the late sexual predators less
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Speaker 1: credited accusers, a California plaintiff who once used the name
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Speaker 1: Katie Johnson. Nearly a decade ago before Donald Trump became
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Speaker 1: the Republican Party presidential nominee. The plaintiff accused him and
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Speaker 1: Epstein of raping her when she was a teenager in
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Speaker 1: the nineties. Under the name Katie Johnson and representing herself,
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Speaker 1: the plaintiff leveled the accusations in federal court in San
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Speaker 1: Bernardino County, then twice more in New York as Jane Do.
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Speaker 1: The lawsuits were short lived, the first dismissed, the others withdrawn,
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Speaker 1: and the mystery of Katie Johnson simmered mostly in fever
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Speaker 1: dream corners of the Internet, where those eager to believe
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Speaker 1: the worst about Trump interact with salacious content creators and
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Speaker 1: qa non conspiracies and look like I've said from the jump.
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Speaker 1: We don't know. We have to go on what's been said, right,
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Speaker 1: We have to go on the actions that were taken
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Speaker 1: inside the court. And when you file a lawsuit and
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Speaker 1: then you have it dismissed the first time by the
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Speaker 1: judge and then it's withdrawn by you two times, people
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Speaker 1: are gonna have questions right now. Of course, there's a
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Speaker 1: lot that goes into it. We have no idea what
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Speaker 1: was going on behind the scenes. We don't know if
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Speaker 1: there was pressure or intimidation or any of it. Certainly
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Speaker 1: valid question, and look, I'm not saying that that occurred.
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Speaker 1: I have no idea. Like I said in the opening,
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Speaker 1: I wasn't there. I don't know. What we're trying to
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Speaker 1: do now is get to the bottom of it right
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Speaker 1: one way or the other. It's still not clear who
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Speaker 1: Katie Johnson was or if she ever existed, though someone
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Speaker 1: professing to be her contacted me in twenty sixteen when
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Speaker 1: I first reported on the lawsuits. Yet, thanks to emails
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Speaker 1: released last week by Republicans on the House Oversight Committee,
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Speaker 1: we know that Epstein was at least aware of her accusations.
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Speaker 1: And that's true when you read the emails. Epstein certainly
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Speaker 1: was aware of the accusations. But like I've said from
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Speaker 1: the jump, there are people that have tried to benefit
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Speaker 1: personally from all of this by claiming that they were
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Speaker 1: abused when they weren't, So we always have to keep
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Speaker 1: that in mind as well. In April of twenty sixteen,
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Speaker 1: Epstein forwarded Reuter's report request for comment about Katie Johnson's
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Speaker 1: lawsuit to several people, including attorney Alan Dershowitz and former
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Speaker 1: White House counsel Katherine Rumler. To Tom Barrock, a Trump
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Speaker 1: campaign advisor who is now the president's ambassador to Turkey,
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Speaker 1: Epstein wrote, nuts, but I thought you guys should know.
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Speaker 1: To journalists Michael Wolfe, Epstein wrote, here we go. So, look,
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Speaker 1: there's some smoke there right now. Does that mean that
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Speaker 1: it's all true what Keady Johnson said? Of course not,
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Speaker 1: but there's certainly some smoke there. And I think that
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Speaker 1: more answers are necessary. And I think there's a common
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Speaker 1: theme here, and that's that Michael Wolfe is involved in
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Speaker 1: just about everything Epstein was up to. So when are
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Speaker 1: we gonna get Michael Wolfe under oath in front of Congress?
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Speaker 1: Because it's obvious to me that he was a lot
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Speaker 1: more than just a journalist trying to get information. In
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Speaker 1: November twenty sixteen, two days after Trump's election, Epstein forwarded
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Speaker 1: a daily mail story about the lawsuit being withdrawn in
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Speaker 1: New York Federal Court to several friends and associates. New
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Speaker 1: York Times financial reporter Landon Thomas Junior responded, you called
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Speaker 1: it and asked Epstein about his stock portfolio. Melanie Walker,
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Speaker 1: a neurosurgeon and Gates Foundation alum, offered her condolences and
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Speaker 1: asked if Epstein even knew the trouble plaintiff. Epstein replied.
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Speaker 1: Note to another sympathizing confidant, Virgin Island's tax attorney, Erica A.
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Speaker 1: Keller Hall's, who would receive Epstein's final will, Epstein wrote,
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Speaker 1: it's funny. Don't lose your sense of humor, And when
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Speaker 1: Epstein told Deepak Chopra the lawsuit had been dropped, the
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Speaker 1: New Age guru replied, good over a signature line that
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Speaker 1: included a Carl's bad address and promoted Chopper's book Radical Beauty,
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Speaker 1: How to Transform Yourself from the inside Out. Another one
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Speaker 1: of these scuzzballs, who's up here on an ivory tower
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Speaker 1: preaching to the rest of us? Meaning Deepak Chopra. But
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Speaker 1: yet he's over here palin around with Jeffrey Epstein. Huh.
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Speaker 1: With Trump on Wednesday, signing Congress measure to require the
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Speaker 1: Justice Department to publish the remainder of the Epstein files,
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Speaker 1: there could soon be additional belles of materials to sift through.
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Speaker 1: Representative Rocanna of Santa Clara, one of the architects of
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Speaker 1: the bipartisan petition, said that he expects the files to
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Speaker 1: reveal the identities of hundreds of rich and powerful men
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Speaker 1: who knew of Epstein's crimes, cover them up, and possibly
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Speaker 1: participated in them. And I have a feeling that a
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Speaker 1: lot of those names you're gonna hear are all names
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Speaker 1: that we've talked about previously. Now, of course, there's probably
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Speaker 1: gonna be some bombshells, no doubt about it, But for
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Speaker 1: the most part, most of the names are going to
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Speaker 1: be people that we're familiar with. I think we need
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Speaker 1: to know what his exact relationship was. Conna said of Trump,
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Speaker 1: but again, this is not just about the president, and
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Speaker 1: I think people need to keep that in mind. Of course,
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's playing a huge part in this, but I
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Speaker 1: think a lot of that has to do with the
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Speaker 1: cover up right. If he would have been upfront from
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Speaker 1: the beginning, it would have been embarrassing. But if he
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Speaker 1: has nothing to hide as far as criminality, then let
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Speaker 1: the dice fall where they may. He should know that
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Speaker 1: his supporters are going to back them no matter what,
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Speaker 1: so he should have been honest, right, come forward, do
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Speaker 1: the right thing a man. Is that too much to ask,
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Speaker 1: for fuck's sake, Just be a man and do the
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Speaker 1: right thing. Take your licks when they're coming. But of
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Speaker 1: course not right. His little fragile, bruised ego is more
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Speaker 1: important than getting to the bottom of this. Now, chew
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Speaker 1: on that for a little while and tell me that
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Speaker 1: doesn't make you want to vomit. Years after he became
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Speaker 1: a convicted sex offender and cultural pariah, Epstein strategized with
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Speaker 1: then Trump advisor Steve Bannon about how to position Trump
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Speaker 1: with European leaders, arranged get togethers with Silicon Valley Trump
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Speaker 1: donor Peter Thiel, and traded friendly emails with former Israeli
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister Ehud Barack, liberal academic Noam Chomsky, former Treasury
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Speaker 1: Secretary Larry Summers, and others. All of these people we
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Speaker 1: knew about. And I think this is kind of a
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Speaker 1: wake up call for a lot of people who thought
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Speaker 1: that the whole story about a handful of elites running
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Speaker 1: the world was bullshit, breaking news, folks. It's true. Now,
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Speaker 1: maybe not the way that some people explain it, right,
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Speaker 1: But the real masters of the universe, and I've said
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Speaker 1: this from the very beginning, are the financial sector. They're
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Speaker 1: the ones that are pulling all the strings on everything
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Speaker 1: that happens. Do you think any of these people get
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Speaker 1: elected without the blessing of the financial sector. And I
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Speaker 1: know people love to point to Obama and say, look,
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Speaker 1: he had no scandals, this, that, the other thing, cool, whatever.
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Speaker 1: Do you know how many bankers that dude had as
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Speaker 1: part of his cabinet, as part of his inner circle.
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Speaker 1: It goes on and on. This transcends parties. The real
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Speaker 1: people that are in control are the people that were
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Speaker 1: backing Jeffrey Epstein financially and covering for him. Now, if
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Speaker 1: that doesn't make you want to jump off a building,
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Speaker 1: I have no idea what will. Rather than settle the
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Speaker 1: nature of Epstein and Trump's relationship, the materials fan conjecture
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Speaker 1: about it, Epstein alleged that Trump knew about the girls.
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Speaker 1: In a January twenty nineteen email to Wolf. In a
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Speaker 1: February twenty sixteen email, Wolf told Epstein that he was
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Speaker 1: the Trump bullet for the people behind Katie Johnson. The
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Speaker 1: same was supposed to be true of her looking for
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Speaker 1: Katie Johnson. It was the bombshell that didn't detonate. In
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Speaker 1: April of twenty sixteen, in the final months of an
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Speaker 1: axis tilting presidential election, of person using the name Katie
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Speaker 1: Johnson filed a one hundred million dollar federal lawsuit accusing
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Speaker 1: Trump and Epstein of sexually assaulting her when she was thirteen.
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Speaker 1: The allegations outlined in Johnson's six page complaint were explicit
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Speaker 1: and echo charges made for years against Epstein, a connected
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Speaker 1: financier who snared countless girls with false promises to pray
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Speaker 1: of dax and ugly threats. But the allegations against Trump,
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Speaker 1: accusing him of active participation in Epstein's child rate parties,
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Speaker 1: well that was new. Ye had no shit. It was new,
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Speaker 1: and of course it set off a firestorm. And at
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Speaker 1: the time there was so much going on in the media,
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Speaker 1: so much back and forth, so much Trump did this,
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Speaker 1: Trump did that. This was kind of you know, drained out.
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Speaker 1: It was kind of muted. People were like, you know what,
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Speaker 1: they're going after him with all this Russish shit. They're
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Speaker 1: going after him with this that the other thing probably
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Speaker 1: part of that, But the question is was it right.
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Speaker 1: We don't know. I don't know, and that's all part
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Speaker 1: of the plan. These people thrive in confusion. I've said
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Speaker 1: that from the beginning and I'll continue to say it,
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Speaker 1: like Little Finger and Game of Throne says, chaos is
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Speaker 1: a ladder, and these people they want chaos in everything
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Speaker 1: they do. According to the lawsuit, Epstein loard Kady Johnson
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Speaker 1: to his New York residence behind promises of a modeling career.
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Speaker 1: Over a four month period in nineteen ninety four, She
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Speaker 1: alleged Epstein and Trump took turns assaulting her in increasingly
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Speaker 1: severe ways. A week after Katy Johnson filed her lawsuit,
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Speaker 1: the judge dismissed it for a failing to cite an
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Speaker 1: actionable civil rights claim. It leveled criminal allegations not covered
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Speaker 1: by the federal civil Statute. The dismissal letter bounced back
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Speaker 1: from the address Katie Johnson had given, which Google Maps
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Speaker 1: once showed to be a weathered shack in the desert
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Speaker 1: city of twenty nine Palms, home to the country's largest
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Speaker 1: US Marine Corps base, and little else. The phone number
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Speaker 1: she provided didn't accept calls, so shady, right, Let's just
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Speaker 1: call it what it is, shady, and you can see
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Speaker 1: why people have punched a bunch of holes in her
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Speaker 1: story and why people dismiss it outright. On May tenth,
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, while working at the Sacramento News and Review,
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Speaker 1: I texted the number, asking if it belonged to Katie Johnson.
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Speaker 1: A day later, a response came, who are you Raheem,
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Speaker 1: friend or foe? Gimme info on you please, Thank you. Katie.
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Speaker 1: I responded that I was a reporter attempting to authenticate
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Speaker 1: the information in her lawsuit. Three days later, I received
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Speaker 1: a phone call from a block number, then a text
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Speaker 1: answer your phone from block number. It's me thanks Katie. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's interesting. Right on Kean's twenty sixteen, I answered that call.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't Katie Johnson. The voice belonged to a man
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Speaker 1: who wouldn't give his name and claimed to be working
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Speaker 1: with Katie Johnson, but evaded questions about the nature of
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Speaker 1: their relationship or how I could reach her directly. Because
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Speaker 1: Katie Johnson alleged that she had been sexually trafficked by
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Speaker 1: Epstein and sexually abused by both him and Trump. I
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Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that I wasn't dealing with another exploiter.
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Speaker 1: The call ended abruptly. I think I hung up on him.
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Speaker 1: So again, not looking good right, sounds a bit off.
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Speaker 1: And that's what I said when it was first breaking,
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Speaker 1: that it doesn't seem like Katie Johnson is willing to
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Speaker 1: go through with what she's saying, if she even exists,
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Speaker 1: because we have to make sure that we're being cautious
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Speaker 1: of Charlatan's right. And look, I'm not saying that that's
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Speaker 1: what Katie Johnson is. I don't know that's what we're
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Speaker 1: doing here. We're trying to figure out what's what. But
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Speaker 1: there have been people that have come forward that have
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Speaker 1: been manipulators, people looking for a payday, and you always
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Speaker 1: have to keep that in mind. And when you're dealing
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Speaker 1: with politics, you have to understand that the ops, no
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Speaker 1: matter of the side, they're looking for ways to exploit people,
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Speaker 1: and if they can have somebody filo a lawsuit to
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Speaker 1: try and stop their foe from winning office, they're gonna
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Speaker 1: do that. So we always have to keep everything in
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Speaker 1: mind when we're talking about these devious sons of bitches.
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Speaker 1: Late one night in October twenty sixteen, I answered a
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Speaker 1: phone call from a block number. My mother was on
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Speaker 1: her deathbed, and I braced myself for news of her passing. Instead,
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Speaker 1: it was a man asking if I was still interested
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Speaker 1: in pursuing the Katie Johnson story. I hung up my phone,
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Speaker 1: rang I let it. The man left a during voicemail.
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Speaker 1: I no longer have so again, folks, look, does that
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Speaker 1: sound like legitimate back and forth play between an accuser
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Speaker 1: and you know, a journalist who's trying to get the
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Speaker 1: story out. Katie Johnson filed and withdrew two more lawsuits
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Speaker 1: that year. Days before the November twenty sixteen election, a
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Speaker 1: planned news conference was canceled in Los Angeles where Katie
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Speaker 1: Johnson was to appear alongside Lisa Bloom, a celebrity attorney
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Speaker 1: who represented other Epstein accusers and also advised Harvey Weinstein. Now, look,
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Speaker 1: I've said from the beginning that Lisa Bloom and her
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Speaker 1: mom not people I trust. Gloria already not people I trust.
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Speaker 1: They're the kind of lawyers that are only in it
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Speaker 1: for the exposure. I'm more into lawyers who were into
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Speaker 1: kicking the shit out of people inside of the courtroom, right,
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Speaker 1: people that are actually trial lawyers who are going to
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Speaker 1: handle business, and these two certainly don't fit the bill.
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Speaker 1: Outside of a purported video floating around the internet, Katie
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Speaker 1: Johnson has never been seen or heard from those around
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Speaker 1: her claim that she's been scared off. The morning of
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Speaker 1: the presser, Katie found out that her phone had been hacked.
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Speaker 1: Evanel golden In, a New Jersey civil litigator who represented
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Speaker 1: Katie Johnson, said via email this freaked her out. She
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Speaker 1: did not go through with the presser and shortly thereafter
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Speaker 1: instructed me to dismiss the lawsuit. There have been a
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Speaker 1: few attempts several years ago to get her to go
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Speaker 1: to the press, but she wants nothing more to do
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Speaker 1: with this anymore. So again, it's up to you, folks, Right,
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Speaker 1: I'm here to present what evidence we have and then
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Speaker 1: you're gonna make the decisions that you make. What I'll
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Speaker 1: say is this, if Katie Johnson does exist and her
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Speaker 1: allegations are true and real, now's the time to come
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Speaker 1: forward because she's never gonna get more support. She's never
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Speaker 1: going to get more people to back her up than now.
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Speaker 1: So if this is real and this really happened, I
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Speaker 1: would hope that Katie would come forward here right now.
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Speaker 1: Of course, none of us are walking in her shoes.
20:48
Speaker 1: We don't know what she's going through, we don't know
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Speaker 1: what kind of life she's lived. You know, if all
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Speaker 1: of this is real, where you know both scenarios here,
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Speaker 1: Because again I'm not gonna bullshit you and say I
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Speaker 1: know one way or the other. I do not, but
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Speaker 1: there's certainly some concerning things both ways. Goldman said that
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Speaker 1: he never actually met or spoke to Katie Johnson. He
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Speaker 1: said he communicated with her through his co counsel, Thomas F. Meeger,
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Speaker 1: a New Jersey patent lawyer who introduced Goldman to the case,
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Speaker 1: and Bloom, daughter of feminist icon Gloria Allred. Goldman said
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Speaker 1: Meager and Bloom were the ones to inform him that
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Speaker 1: Katie Johnson wanted to drop the lawsuit in November of
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. I did not communicate with her directly, Goldman
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Speaker 1: said in an email. So I think probably a good
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Speaker 1: idea to get Meager and Gloria Alread and Bloom under oath,
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Speaker 1: and you know, let's talk about if Katie exists. Now,
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Speaker 1: they don't have to give any other information. But did
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Speaker 1: you ever have a face to face with her? Did
21:48
Speaker 1: you sit down and talk to her? These are all
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Speaker 1: details that are very important, right if you're trying to
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Speaker 1: make a case anyway. Goldman also named a journalist he
21:56
Speaker 1: said that had interviewed Katie Johnson in California and found
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Speaker 1: her credible. To me, that was enough for me to
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Speaker 1: be all in on it. Goldman said the journalist has
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Speaker 1: unpublished anything about Katie Johnson and stopped responding to emails
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Speaker 1: in August. Bloom, who has filed two federal lawsuits in
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Speaker 1: New York against Sean Colmes this year, declined to comment
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Speaker 1: through a spokesperson. Meager said that attorney client privilege precluded
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Speaker 1: him from saying anything, including whether Katie Johnson was a
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Speaker 1: real person. Johnson's other former attorney, Florida litigator Cheney Mason,
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Speaker 1: who represented Casey Anthony, did not respond to messages. I
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Speaker 1: have to be honest, I find all of that shady.
22:34
Speaker 1: I find all of it shady. You would think that
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Speaker 1: at least one of the lawyers would respond and be like, look,
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Speaker 1: here's the deal, here's this here is that. Here's the
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Speaker 1: other thing. To some child safety advocates, speculating about the
22:46
Speaker 1: unknowable can distract from what is known. More than a
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Speaker 1: dozen women, from pageant contestants to mar A Lago guests
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Speaker 1: to former employees, have publicly accused Trump of sexual misconduct.
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Speaker 1: Trump has denied them all. Separate juries have found Trump
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Speaker 1: liable for sexually abusing e Gene Carroll in nineteen ninety
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Speaker 1: six and defaming her by denying it, awarding Carroll a
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Speaker 1: total of eighty eight point three million in damages, which
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Speaker 1: is wild, by the way. I mean, the Epstein survivors,
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Speaker 1: for the most part, got pieced off like a million bucks,
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Speaker 1: million bucks each for the most part. Compare that to
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Speaker 1: the eighty eight point three million. Oh boy, that's a
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Speaker 1: lot of dough. Trump's first choice for attorney general, former
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Speaker 1: Republican Representative mc gates of Florida, withdrew over allegations that
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Speaker 1: he sexually exploited a minor. Yeah, allegedly a seventeen year
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Speaker 1: old homeless girl. Imagine that shit, A seventeen year old
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Speaker 1: girl who was working at McDonald's. Attorney General Pound Bondi,
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Speaker 1: who will be in charge of releasing the Epstein, files
23:48
Speaker 1: was Florida's chief legal counsel. When Epstein received a knockdown
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Speaker 1: charge of soliciting prostitution, the Palm Beach Post reported, it
23:56
Speaker 1: all ties together, right, all roads lead to Florida. Like
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Speaker 1: I've said from the jump at Pam Bondi, she has
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Speaker 1: a lot of explaining to do when it comes to
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Speaker 1: all of her ties with Jeffrey Epstein. She likes to
24:07
Speaker 1: play dumb, but man, I'll tell you what. She should
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Speaker 1: know a lot more than she does. Certainly she should
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Speaker 1: know how to pronounce Gallain Maxwell's name by now right.
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Speaker 1: Trump's immigration crackdown has redirected federal agents who investigate child
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Speaker 1: sex crimes. The New York Times reported earlier this month,
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Speaker 1: federal prosecutions for child sex trafficking felt during Trump's first term.
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Speaker 1: According to Syracuse University's Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, including under
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Speaker 1: the laws used to charge Epstein in twenty nineteen, white
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Speaker 1: color prosecutions are also at their lowest in forty years.
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Speaker 1: Let's say policing actually worked, said Kate Diamo, an expert
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Speaker 1: on sexual labor and exploitation at Reframe Health Injustice. If
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Speaker 1: at any point anybody on the right actually cared about this,
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Speaker 1: they'd be pissed. Well, I think there's people on the
24:59
Speaker 1: right that most certainly if there wasn't, there wouldn't be
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Speaker 1: this swelling for support to go against Trump when it
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Speaker 1: comes to Epstein. University of Pennsylvania political science professor Marcy Hamilton,
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Speaker 1: founder of Child USA advocacy organization and a national authority
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Speaker 1: on the clergy abuse scandal, said the Epstein saga is
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Speaker 1: prompting people like her to re explain what cover ups
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Speaker 1: look like. When Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson said last
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Speaker 1: month that he supported the release of credible information regarding Epstein,
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Speaker 1: Hamilton said Johnson was invoking the Vatican playbook for shielding
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Speaker 1: pedophile priests. One hundred percent credible. What does that mean
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Speaker 1: that your friends are going to be protected? Sorry, buddy,
25:43
Speaker 1: that's not how this is going to work this time.
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Speaker 1: That's the buzzword of the bishops. That's how the bishops
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Speaker 1: were able to cover up as much child sexual abuse
25:52
Speaker 1: as they did, she said. Goldman said Meager brought him
25:56
Speaker 1: to the Katie Johnson lawsuit motivated by a desire to
25:59
Speaker 1: keep Trump from being elected president. But as we know
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Speaker 1: now he can almost do worse things, and this never
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Speaker 1: seems to affect him. Goldman said, So there is a
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Speaker 1: lot of that at play. I know a lot of
26:09
Speaker 1: people out there really just hate Trump, and I get it, right,
26:13
Speaker 1: I totally get it. But when we're talking about this issue,
26:16
Speaker 1: we have to shoot straight. We have to be fair
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Speaker 1: because if not, it's going to cause more confusion. Look
26:21
Speaker 1: at what's going on already. So everybody has to be
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Speaker 1: treated equally. If you're somebody that was involved, you're on
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Speaker 1: the list. Bro. If you're somebody that was enabling, you're
26:31
Speaker 1: on the list. But we have to be honest and
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Speaker 1: fair when we're going through it. Right, not everybody that
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Speaker 1: was with Epstein was doing the heinous abusing. Not everybody
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Speaker 1: that was with him was hurting girls. So the idea
26:44
Speaker 1: is to dig through all of the muck and get
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Speaker 1: to the clarity. And that's what we're trying to do
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Speaker 1: every single day. Epstein expressed a similar sentiment. In February
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Speaker 1: of twenty sixteen. Thomas the Times reporter emailed Epstein saying,
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Speaker 1: the stories you could tell about candidate Trump, to which
27:03
Speaker 1: Epstein replied, actually, I don't think the voters would care. Well,
27:08
Speaker 1: I think that that is not true. Now some voters wouldn't,
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Speaker 1: but I think we've seen recently that that's not the
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Speaker 1: case for everybody. And I think there is a large
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Speaker 1: block of people that are really questioning what the fuck's
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Speaker 1: going on right now, and I think that's a good
27:23
Speaker 1: thing and that needs to be encouraged. Right people need
27:26
Speaker 1: to break away from their echo chambers. It's okay to
27:30
Speaker 1: question the people in power. It's okay to ask questions
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Speaker 1: that might make people uncomfortable. That's how our republic works,
27:38
Speaker 1: that's how democracy works. And the people that are trying
27:42
Speaker 1: to stop the questions, the people that are trying to
27:44
Speaker 1: shut people up, those are the people that I focus
27:47
Speaker 1: on because obviously you're hiding something. But when it comes
27:52
Speaker 1: to this situation with Katie Johnson, the truth is we
27:55
Speaker 1: just don't know. And so as we close out the
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Speaker 1: conversation for now, I think it's i ortant to acknowledge
28:01
Speaker 1: something that often gets lost when stories like this resurface,
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Speaker 1: the emotional weight of uncertainty. There's a real human toll
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Speaker 1: that comes with trying to make sense of something built
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Speaker 1: on half truths, sealed records, missing witnesses, and power structures
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Speaker 1: designed to outlast outrage. It's exhausting to keep chasing shadows.
28:20
Speaker 1: But what's even more exhausting is pretending the shadows aren't there.
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Speaker 1: We're not dealing with a clean crime scene or a
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Speaker 1: straightforward narrative. We're dealing with a labyrinth that was engineered
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Speaker 1: from day one to confuse, misdirect, and discourage anyone who
28:35
Speaker 1: dared to look too closely. And for me, this isn't
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Speaker 1: about proving anyone right or wrong. It's not about scoring
28:41
Speaker 1: victories or dunking on opponents, or weaponizing trauma for political convenience.
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Speaker 1: It's about refusing to accept that silence and disappearance are
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Speaker 1: acceptable endings to stories that scream for clarity. It's about
28:54
Speaker 1: recognizing that turning away is exactly what the architects of
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Speaker 1: this nightmare have always counted on. They want the public
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Speaker 1: to be frustrated and walk off the field so that
29:04
Speaker 1: whatever is buried stays buried forever. And that's how they
29:07
Speaker 1: survive for decades, and that's why they're pushing back now
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Speaker 1: more than ever. So if there's one thing worth keeping
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Speaker 1: front and center going forward, it's the commitment to continue
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Speaker 1: asking questions without apology and without fear of being told
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Speaker 1: we're reaching too far. Every truth that has ever shaken
29:23
Speaker 1: a corrupt system loose started with someone refusing to stop
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Speaker 1: digging when the ground got hard. We may not know
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Speaker 1: where the trail leads, and we may not know the
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Speaker 1: answers neatly packaged or delivered on queue, but that has
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Speaker 1: never been the nature of justice. Justice is a result
29:39
Speaker 1: of persistence, pressure, endurance, and the refusal to be intimidated
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Speaker 1: into silence. And that's where we stand, not with certainty,
29:48
Speaker 1: not with neatly tied conclusions, but with determination, with an
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Speaker 1: obligation to truth instead of convenience, with the understanding that
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Speaker 1: if we don't keep pushing, nobody else will. Oh we
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Speaker 1: keep going, We keep digging, We keep asking the uncomfortable
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Speaker 1: questions and shining light exactly where they don't want light
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Speaker 1: to shine, and until the truth comes out, we move forward.
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