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Sharri | 27 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Good evening.
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Speaker 2: Well, first tonight I can reveal the outgoing Climate Change
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Speaker 2: Authority chair Grant King had spoken about a secret society
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Speaker 2: working to overturn the government's ban on nuclear energy with
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Speaker 2: views like this. Is it any surprise he was sensationally
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Speaker 2: axed by Chris Bowen.
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Speaker 1: This is a fascinating story.
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Speaker 2: It's been big news this week that Chris Bowen replaced
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Speaker 2: the chair of the Climate Change Authority with Matt Keene.
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Speaker 2: It turns out Bowen's views on energy weren't aligned with
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Speaker 2: the outgoing chair, Grant King. I'm going to show you
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Speaker 2: video footage right now where King speaks about a secret
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Speaker 2: society working.
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Speaker 1: On nuclear policy.
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Speaker 2: But not only has Chris Bowen replaced him four years
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Speaker 2: into his five year term, but the Climate Change Minister
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Speaker 2: also launched an inquiry examining his integrity and potential conflicts
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Speaker 2: of interest. It turns out, behind the scenes, Grant King
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Speaker 2: had been advocating for nuclear energy for years. Have a
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Speaker 2: look at this footage the first time it's aired, where
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Speaker 2: King says he was becoming increasingly frustrated by parts of
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Speaker 2: the energy debate. He says very clearly that there's no
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Speaker 2: good or bad energy and that nuclear should be part
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Speaker 2: of the mix.
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Speaker 3: There's still a great desire to define good fuels and
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Speaker 3: bad fuels, and that's not going to help us get there.
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Speaker 3: We need absolutely everything working for us, and that also
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Speaker 3: includes nuclear. So if we want to get into a debate,
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Speaker 3: it's important that we throw nuclear into the mix and
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Speaker 3: say astraight. He's going to have to come to grips
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Speaker 3: with that issue, and it's going to have to decide
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Speaker 3: whether or not it lifts that regulatory prohibition and allows
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Speaker 3: the innovation and the investment that's now happening, particularly in
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Speaker 3: small modular reactor technology to be applicable here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: So that's the outgoing chair of the Climate Change Authority,
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Speaker 2: who Chris Bowen has just replaced with Matt Kean Grant
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Speaker 2: King saying right there, as you saw in twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 2: just a year before the Albaneze government was elected, that
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Speaker 2: nuclear should be part of Australia's energy mix and that
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Speaker 2: nuclear energy is important. The chair works closely with Chris Bowen,
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Speaker 2: who has a very different view on nuclear, and so
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Speaker 2: does the senior team in the Albanese government.
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Speaker 4: It's not just certain nuclear is expensive to build, it's
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Speaker 4: also that to make it work, it needs to force
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Speaker 4: out the cheapest form of energy, renewables.
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Speaker 5: We can continue with the transition to renewable energy, or
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Speaker 5: we can get distracted again by the nuclear fantasy proposed
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Speaker 5: by those opposite.
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Speaker 4: What they have is a plan to erect the future,
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Speaker 4: a plan to drive investment out that is needed to
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Speaker 4: provide energy security and the lower prices.
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Speaker 2: But that's not Grant King's view, and in fact he
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Speaker 2: said he was increasingly frustrated by parts of the energy debate.
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Speaker 3: So increasingly, and I must say the last month or
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Speaker 3: two I've become increasingly frustrated with the terms blue and green,
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Speaker 3: because blue and green imply there is a better way
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Speaker 3: of making carbon free hydrogen. For example, we've used the
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Speaker 3: term green hydrogen than there is blue hydrogen. Makes no difference.
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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, it's a carbon hydrogen,
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Speaker 3: it's clean hydrogen.
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Speaker 2: But he went further in the speech, with Grant King
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Speaker 2: saying that the ban on nuclear in Australia should be
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Speaker 2: lifted and that a secret society was working on campaigning
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Speaker 2: the government over this.
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Speaker 3: That prohibition has to be lifted and there is a
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Speaker 3: secret society of people out there trying to figure out
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Speaker 3: what conversation they had with government to lift that prohibition.
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Speaker 2: And in comments that also would have been at odds
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Speaker 2: with Chris Bowen, Grant King advocated carbon storage.
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Speaker 3: Everything that reduces emissions is good. There's no good or
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Speaker 3: bad reductions of emissions, and there tends to be. And
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Speaker 3: the classic example here is gees sequestration. I mean, every
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Speaker 3: time that term is mentioned among some parts of the community,
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Speaker 3: it's and oh my god, event how could we possibly
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Speaker 3: talk about that? It's neither good nor bad. If we're
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Speaker 3: storing carbon and storing carbon safely, that's as good as
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Speaker 3: reducing emissions in some other location. And you can't get
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Speaker 3: to net zero any other way than recognizing that that
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Speaker 3: duality exists.
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Speaker 2: Well, with views like this, is it any surprise that
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen replaced Grant King with Matt Kean a year early.
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Speaker 2: Kean was conveniently on the same page as his new master.
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Speaker 6: In order to bring nuclear into the system, it would
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Speaker 6: take far too long and would be far too expensive
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Speaker 6: for New South Wales. Now, I didn't want to bankrupt
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Speaker 6: the state and I didn't want to put those huge
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Speaker 6: costs onto families.
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Speaker 2: Well, Chris Bowen is so radical that being energy agnostic,
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Speaker 2: as Grant King clearly is, is a crime. To Grant King,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to matter which energy methods are used
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Speaker 2: as long as the emission's reduction targets are reached. But
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Speaker 2: labor has this illogical ideological opposition to nuclear. And then
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Speaker 2: there was also the complaint against Grant King by the
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Speaker 2: far left think tank the Australia Institute in May last year.
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Speaker 2: Instead of just dismissing the complaint as nonsensical, the Albertezer
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Speaker 2: government actually launched an inquiry into its own climate change authority.
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Speaker 2: Share Now political veteran Dennis Shanahan had this brilliant report
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Speaker 2: in The Australian this week where he writes about how
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Speaker 2: Grant King was shockingly subject to an integrity probe. He
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Speaker 2: writes that in May last year, the Australia Institute asked
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Speaker 2: mister Bowen to investigate potential conflicts of interest at the CCA,
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Speaker 2: the Climate Change Authority, and particularly mister King. To Mister
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Speaker 2: Bowen also said members of the Climate Change Authority Board
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Speaker 2: should not also be employed by companies or organizations that
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Speaker 2: could be affected by the CCA's recommendations. After a departmental review,
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Speaker 2: mister Bowen told the Australia Institute aspects of the regulations
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Speaker 2: about potential conflicts of interest were not in keeping with
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Speaker 2: requirements and changes had been made. So this is all
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Speaker 2: what has unfolded behind closed doors, Chris Bowen ordering a
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Speaker 2: humiliating inquiry into his own Climate Change Authority chair based
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Speaker 2: on complaints from a radical left wing think tank. Now
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Speaker 2: we know the Climate Change Authority itself is aiming for
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Speaker 2: an emissions reduction target between sixty five and seventy five
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Speaker 2: percent by twenty thirty five. I've shown you those documents
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Speaker 2: and that's ambitious given the twenty thirty target of forty
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Speaker 2: two percent is unlikely to be met to experts. But
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Speaker 2: it seems Chair Grant King wasn't green enough. Chris Bowen
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Speaker 2: doesn't want energy agnostic. He doesn't want to even consider
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Speaker 2: the advice of his top experts. He's driven purely by ideology.
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Speaker 2: Now we're going to come back to that story in
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Speaker 2: a moment with my panel. The revelation that the Climate
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Speaker 2: Change Authority Chair had advocated for a secret society to
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Speaker 2: look at overturning the government's ban on nuclear energy, we'll
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Speaker 2: come back to that in a minute. But also Tonight,
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Speaker 2: the ob and easy labor government treats convicted felon Julian Assange.
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Speaker 1: Like a hero.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's a far cry from Julia Gillard's tough stance
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Speaker 2: when he first dumped those classified documents fourteen years ago.
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Speaker 7: I absolutely condemn the placement of this information on the
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Speaker 7: WikiLeaks website. It's a grossly irresponsible thing to do.
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Speaker 2: Also on the show Tonight, Disunity consumes Labor Albanesi's prophetic
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Speaker 2: response to Fatima payment crossing the floor and Donald Trump's
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Speaker 2: wild demand to Joe Biden ahead of Tomorrow's presidential debate.
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Speaker 2: But now let's bring in Tonight's panel Perth Lord Mayor
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Speaker 2: Basil'samplus and The Australian's National Affairs editor Joe Kelly.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both, Basil.
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Speaker 2: This is quite a big revelation that Grant King, the
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Speaker 2: chair of the Climate Change Authority, who Chris Bowen has
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Speaker 2: just asked a year before his term was up, with
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Speaker 2: Matt Keane, and it turns out that their views weren't
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Speaker 2: quite aligned. That Grant King had advocated for nuclear he
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Speaker 2: called it, in his words, important and even said the
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Speaker 2: government's ban on it should be overturned.
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Speaker 1: What do you think.
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Speaker 8: Fancy getting somebody who is not politically aligned in an
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Speaker 8: important position like this, and then that person not necessarily
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Speaker 8: agreeing with the ideology or thoughts of the government of
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Speaker 8: the day, and then their contracts suddenly ending a year earlier.
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Speaker 8: I love that term he used, energy agnostic. I would
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Speaker 8: have thought that's exactly what you want in somebody in
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Speaker 8: that sort of position, somebody who doesn't have a predisposed
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Speaker 8: view towards one form or another, one form of energy
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Speaker 8: and any of the climate debate and can assess it
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Speaker 8: as it was. That's what we had in Chairman King.
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Speaker 8: But now he's gone, and I think that departure is
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Speaker 8: revealing less about him and more about the government who
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Speaker 8: have been there as he's gone a year early.
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Speaker 2: Joe, your colleague Dennis Shanahan wrote about this, and it
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Speaker 2: seems that Grant King did have quite a sensible position
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Speaker 2: that nuclear energy should be part of the mix that
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Speaker 2: is energy agnostic, as Bazil just spoke about. But do
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Speaker 2: you think, Joe, that Bowen's energy response is looking increasingly irrational?
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Speaker 2: But particularly he's just outright opposition to nuclear when he
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Speaker 2: can't put.
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Speaker 1: A reason on the table apart from the cost of it.
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Speaker 9: Sherry, I think it's pretty hard to tell at this
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Speaker 9: stage how the nuclear debate will unfold. This will be long,
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Speaker 9: a very long debate. I think Peter Dutton has engaged though,
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Speaker 9: in crash through or crash politics. This is very big, bold, audacious, brash.
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Speaker 9: I think there are political risks for the Coalition in
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Speaker 9: putting out this plan. I think the most significant risk
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Speaker 9: is that they've put out a plan they'll never be
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Speaker 9: able to legislate or get through a hostile Senate if
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Speaker 9: they do win government. There's no bipartisan support. There is
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Speaker 9: that prohibition which Grant King mentioned. Perhaps Peter Dutton thinks
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Speaker 9: that because his plan is so big and bold that
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Speaker 9: if he does win majority government, he can shame Labor
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Speaker 9: into accepting his electoral mandate. But I don't think there's
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Speaker 9: any guarantee of that. Remember that Labour went to the
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Speaker 9: election in two thousand promising to roll back the GST,
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Speaker 9: so I think it is high stakes. But the other
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Speaker 9: point is this doesn't happen for a long time. I
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Speaker 9: don't think nuclear is going to turn many votes at
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Speaker 9: the next election. People are going to be more concerned
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Speaker 9: about what's happening now to bring down power prices, and
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Speaker 9: I think that's where the Coalition needs to fill in
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Speaker 9: the gaps.
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Speaker 2: But isn't that what Peter Dutton's doing here. He's trying
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Speaker 2: to link energy to the cost of living. He's trying
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Speaker 2: to say that Labour's plan on renewable energy is what's
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Speaker 2: pushing up power prices, Basil. Don't you get the sense
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Speaker 2: that that is part of Dutton's strategy when he wants
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Speaker 2: to keep speaking about nuclear because he is linking those
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Speaker 2: two issues energy and cost of living, no.
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Speaker 8: Doubt about that whatsoever. But also even more simplistic than that,
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Speaker 8: he is providing an absolute contrast between his leadership style
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Speaker 8: and the leadership style of the Prime Minister. One of conviction,
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Speaker 8: one of you know what you get if you vote
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Speaker 8: for me. You're not certain what you're going to get
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Speaker 8: if you continue to support the Prime Minister. And so
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Speaker 8: I think what he's trying to do in addition to
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Speaker 8: that point Sherry is create an impression with people. If
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Speaker 8: the big issues come up, if inflation continues to rise,
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Speaker 8: if interest rates continue to go up, which one of
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Speaker 8: the two of us seems likely to take decisive action
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Speaker 8: on whatever the topic of the day is. And that's
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Speaker 8: I think what he's really able to, or has been
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Speaker 8: able to so far, provide that distinction between his leadership
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Speaker 8: style and the Prime Minister's leadership style.
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Speaker 2: And it does look like cost of living is going
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Speaker 2: to continue to be a major issue for the rest
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Speaker 2: of this year. I mean the inflation data that we've
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Speaker 2: seen just this week, Joe, inflation has risen to four percent,
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Speaker 2: where now you've got economists talking about one or potentially
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Speaker 2: even two rate rises this year.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't so long ago.
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Speaker 2: It was the start of this year Labor was anticipating
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Speaker 2: there'd be an interest rate.
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Speaker 1: Cut at the end of this year.
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Speaker 2: So do you think the political debate Joe Kelly is
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Speaker 2: going to start to center on whether it's the labor
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Speaker 2: budget that's doing this because this is where Peter Dutton
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Speaker 2: tried to take it in question time today.
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Speaker 10: Oh, core inflation, the Reserve Banks preferred measure is at
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Speaker 10: four point four percent, the highest level this year. Minister,
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Speaker 10: Why do Australians have to live in fear of yet
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Speaker 10: another rate rise under this hopeless government?
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Speaker 11: The government has to do its bit and we've got
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Speaker 11: a government here who has been reckless in three failed budgets.
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Speaker 11: It hasn't done what needed to be done. We've got
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Speaker 11: sixteen percent growth in spending in the next two years
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Speaker 11: in this budget, driving the budget off a cliff. It's
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Speaker 11: a big spending but.
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Speaker 2: Sorry about that, Joe Kelly. So clearly that is the
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Speaker 2: coalition's argument. They're saying that it's the budget that is
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Speaker 2: to blame for the rise in inflation. Do you think
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Speaker 2: that has credibility?
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Speaker 9: Well, it's not just me who thinks that argument has credibility, Sharry.
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Speaker 9: Last week the Reserve Bank, the Reserve Bank Board released
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Speaker 9: its statement. It contained a new and I think very
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Speaker 9: revealing line saying that it was concerned about the final
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Speaker 9: budget outcomes. So this is the federal and state government
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Speaker 9: budget decisions contributing to expansionary settings which will make the
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Speaker 9: reserve banks jobs harder over time. So I think that
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Speaker 9: there is you know, a number of people who are
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Speaker 9: very concerned about this. Just recently it was Warren Hogan
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Speaker 9: sort of out on his own saying that he was
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Speaker 9: predicting a rate hike in coming months. But he's now
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Speaker 9: been joined by others financial markets sort of about you know,
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Speaker 9: fifty to fifty that there will be a rate hike. Now,
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Speaker 9: if that happens, I think that is a political catastrophe
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Speaker 9: for labor. It will be used mercilessly by Peter Dutton
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Speaker 9: and Angus Taylor to attack their budget as being inappropriate
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Speaker 9: for the time. And I think there'll be a lot
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Speaker 9: to those arguments, and this is where the election will be.
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Speaker 9: I think cherry this cost of living issue absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Now let's have a look at Juliana signs.
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Speaker 2: It's been twenty four hours that since he's arrived in Australia.
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Speaker 1: We covered it here last night.
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Speaker 2: Already eyes are now on the US and there's now
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Speaker 2: calls from some of his supporters, some massage activists, pressure
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Speaker 2: that they're putting now on the US to pardon a
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Speaker 2: sanch And this is a call that his own lawyer,
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Speaker 2: Australian barrister Jennifer Robinson reiterated today.
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Speaker 12: Of course, the word pardon has been discussed over the
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Speaker 12: last number of years. It is something that I think
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Speaker 12: press freedom groups are talking about already because of the
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Speaker 12: precedent that was set that it would be the right
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Speaker 12: thing to do to give him a pardon, given the
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Speaker 12: free speech implications of what just happened and the chilling
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Speaker 12: effect of that prosecution.
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Speaker 1: What we're interested in is not.
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Speaker 12: Just a pardon for Julian, but in changing the law
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Speaker 12: to make sure that no other journalists can be prosecuted
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Speaker 12: in this way under the Espionage Act.
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Speaker 1: Basil. What do you think about this?
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Speaker 2: I mean, as far as I'm concerned, he's a convicted
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Speaker 2: criminal who put lives at risk. He's not a journalist.
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Speaker 2: He didn't go through this carefully. It was a document dump.
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Speaker 1: What do you reckon?
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Speaker 8: And he played guilty. Let's not forget that. I mean,
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Speaker 8: he is free and back in Australia today, and most
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Speaker 8: people would say fourteen years is long enough. We're pleased
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Speaker 8: that this saga is over and pleased that an Australian
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Speaker 8: is back on Australian soil after that ordeal. But much
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Speaker 8: of that ordeal he put himself through by not facing
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Speaker 8: the court or extradition, as were the requests upon him
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Speaker 8: when a hit in the Ecuadorian embassy, and then obviously
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Speaker 8: did jail time in the UK. He pled guilty to
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Speaker 8: one case of obtaining and disclosing national defense documents and secrets.
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Speaker 8: He pled guilty. So why do you get a pardon
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Speaker 8: if you are guilty?
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Speaker 6: No?
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Speaker 2: Well, exactly very good point, Joe. What do you think
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Speaker 2: of the Albanezi government's response to this. We've seen both
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister and Penny Wong refusing to comment on
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Speaker 2: his actual crime. They just want to move past it
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Speaker 2: and instead take credit for the fact he's back in Australia.
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Speaker 9: Look Sherry, I was really struck the contrast in sort
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Speaker 9: of the political optics now the comments from Anthony Alberanisi
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Speaker 9: and the comments from Julia Gillard which you played before.
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Speaker 9: I think one of the key issues is what Julian
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Speaker 9: Assange does next. I was reading that he said that
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Speaker 9: he thought that there was a contradiction between the Espionage
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Speaker 9: Act and the First Amendment upholding free speech, freedom of
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Speaker 9: the media and so on, which I don't think is
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Speaker 9: particularly good sign. I think the question is, you know,
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Speaker 9: is he going to return to form? And I think
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Speaker 9: one of the risks is, given a sense of triumphalism
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Speaker 9: from supporters and the rhetoric from the government, he may
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Speaker 9: feel encouraged to do that.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 9: I think the government really has to get the balance
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Speaker 9: right here, and certainly they would respond very forcefully against
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Speaker 9: the dumping of hundreds of thousands of top secret documents
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Speaker 9: of an Australian flavor. So I think the government has
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Speaker 9: to get the balance right in relation to this, and
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Speaker 9: I don't think it hats Yeah, it seems like Albani.
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Speaker 8: He's loved, No, he's loved and loathed in almost in
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Speaker 8: almost equal measure. Lots of people despise what he did,
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Speaker 8: lots of people supported him.
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Speaker 1: What he should do is.
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Speaker 8: Go on the speaking circuit, put away wiki leaks forever
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Speaker 8: and go and earn some very substantial money and enjoy
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Speaker 8: his life. After fourteen years of really self imposed exile
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Speaker 8: and incarceration, he should leave that life behind him, move
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Speaker 8: forward with his life and let's be done with it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if only that was the case. In fact, I
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Speaker 2: think we're going to see more of him than appen.
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Speaker 2: I had Jeffrey robertson on the show last night and
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Speaker 2: he says that Julia Sange is looking at an autobiography,
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Speaker 2: So there's going to be a lot of Assange to come, unfortunately.
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Speaker 2: Basil Zemplis, Joe Kelly, thank you both for your time.
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Speaker 2: Now coming up, I'm going to show you those comments
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Speaker 2: what Julia Gillard had to say in full when Assange
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Speaker 2: first released his classified documents, plus Dave Sharma will let
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Speaker 2: loose on Alberanzi's week leadership on this matter. Plus the
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Speaker 2: stage is set for the first US presidential debate.
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Speaker 1: We'll look at all of that coming up on the
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Speaker 1: show Welcome Back.
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Speaker 2: Well, what would Julia Gillard and Hillary Clinton think of
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Speaker 2: the way Alberanizi has reacted to Julian Assange this week.
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Speaker 2: As you know, Julian Assange last night returned to Australia
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Speaker 2: a free man after pleading guilty to espionage. He's now
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Speaker 2: a convicted criminal, yet he traveled by private plane with
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Speaker 2: our top us and UK diplomats Steven Smith and Kevin
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Speaker 2: Rudd personally escorting him. Anthony Alberizi boasted that he was
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Speaker 2: the first person Assange spoke to back on Home Soil,
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Speaker 2: and the Prime Minister even posted a photograph of their
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Speaker 2: call on social media and repeatedly took full it for
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Speaker 2: his release. Labor, the Greens and the Teals have also
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Speaker 2: been singing his praises. A hero, they say, a truth teller.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, Julian Ostange is a
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Speaker 4: Walkley Award winning Australian journalist who did his job.
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Speaker 5: Julian Assange was a political prisoner and his freedom took
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Speaker 5: a political solution.
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Speaker 8: Journalism is not a crime.
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Speaker 7: Telling the truth should never be a crime.
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Speaker 1: Well, this is.
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Speaker 2: A far cry from how Julia Gillard reacted as Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister when Assange first started releasing classified documents.
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Speaker 7: I absolutely condemn the placement of this information on the
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Speaker 7: wikileiks website. It's a grossly irresponsible thing to do and
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Speaker 7: an illegal thing to do.
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Speaker 12: The AFP is investigating whether any Australian laws have been broken.
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Speaker 7: I can respect whistleblowing if your motivation is to right
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Speaker 7: wrong motivation. His motivation, as stated, is a sort of
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Speaker 7: anarchic here. It all is just have it, and I
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Speaker 7: don't have a great deal of respect for that.
21:16
Speaker 2: She was unequivocal because he is an anti Western anarchist.
21:21
Speaker 2: It is convenient for Albin EASi to forget now that
21:24
Speaker 2: Assange is a convicted felon and that he was also
21:28
Speaker 2: accused of rape, and he never faced up to those allegations.
21:32
Speaker 2: Assange was also accused of endangering the lives of servicemen
21:36
Speaker 2: and women by failing to redact any information from his
21:40
Speaker 2: document dump.
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Speaker 1: He compromised the.
21:43
Speaker 2: National security of the Five Eyes Security Alliance.
21:48
Speaker 1: Yet Albin Ezi doesn't mention this.
21:51
Speaker 2: So what signal does this send to others who may
21:54
Speaker 2: want to leak classified national security information that could benefit
21:58
Speaker 2: our enemies and put the lives of our undercover operatives
22:02
Speaker 2: on the line. But it's also curious that the labor
22:05
Speaker 2: left celebrate Assinge despite the fact he was accused of
22:09
Speaker 2: colluding with Russia by releasing Hillary Clinton's emails in yet
22:14
Speaker 2: another major document dump, and Hillary herself called Assange a
22:20
Speaker 2: tool of Russian intelligence.
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Speaker 10: I think Cassange has become a kind of neolistic opportunist
22:28
Speaker 10: who does the bidding of a dictator.
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Speaker 13: I mean, he's a.
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Speaker 1: Tool of Russian intelligence.
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Speaker 12: And if he's such a martyr of free speech, why
22:37
Speaker 12: doesn't WikiLeaks ever publish anything coming out of Russia.
22:41
Speaker 2: There's so much information about Assange, so much, too much
22:45
Speaker 2: that I have time for now. Yet, as Chris Kenny
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Speaker 2: said the other day, Assange has now become a hero
22:51
Speaker 2: of the woke left and the loopy right. Or to
22:54
Speaker 2: discuss this, let's bring in now liberal senator and former
22:57
Speaker 2: ambassador to Israel and Dave Sharma Day of Welcome to
23:01
Speaker 2: the program. Look, what do you make of Labour's response
23:04
Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister's response to Julia Sange's return.
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Speaker 14: Frankly, Shari, I've been appalled by it. This is not
23:13
Speaker 14: someone for whom we should be rolling out the red
23:16
Speaker 14: carpet and scattering rose pedals and sending our most senior
23:20
Speaker 14: diplomats in the United States and the United Kingdom as
23:23
Speaker 14: personal escorts to a company him back to Australia. Yes,
23:27
Speaker 14: we owe a duty to him as an Australian. Yes
23:30
Speaker 14: he's been through a criminal justice proceeding. But the idea
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Speaker 14: that he should be lauded as some sort of returning
23:35
Speaker 14: hero by the governor of the day is odious and sickening,
23:39
Speaker 14: and it sends a terrible message about how we treat
23:42
Speaker 14: the gravity of the crime of which he was convicted
23:45
Speaker 14: and some of the charges that were leveled against him,
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Speaker 14: including those of sexual assault in Sweden that you referred
23:50
Speaker 14: to in your opening remarks.
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Speaker 2: Look, Assange wasn't wrongfully detained like cheng Lei or Kylie Morgil,
23:57
Speaker 2: but this is a very different category. He chose for
24:01
Speaker 2: years to avoid countries that do have fair judicial systems
24:06
Speaker 2: or extradition treaties.
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Speaker 14: Well, absolutely, and yeah, I mean you'll remember that the
24:12
Speaker 14: reason he took refuge or sanctuary in the Ecuador in
24:15
Speaker 14: embassy in London was to avoid being extradited to Sweden
24:19
Speaker 14: to face sexual assault charges. So the seven years he
24:22
Speaker 14: spent in the Ecuador in embassy in London was about
24:25
Speaker 14: avoiding facing sexual assault charges in Sweden, and then the
24:29
Speaker 14: subsequent years he spent has been about avoid facing the
24:32
Speaker 14: consequences of his actions irresponsibly dumping classified information on the
24:38
Speaker 14: open web in a way that compromise not only the
24:43
Speaker 14: national security of Western nations, but a number of well
24:46
Speaker 14: meaning individuals who were acting as supporters of Western countries
24:50
Speaker 14: in countries where they would face danger from their details
24:54
Speaker 14: being reveled. And this is highly response irresponsible acts to
24:57
Speaker 14: have done. As Julia Gillard pointed out at the time,
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Speaker 14: the idea that this sort of action should be celebrated
25:03
Speaker 14: or lauded is I mean, it shows a government that's
25:06
Speaker 14: completely lost its own sense of moral compass and lost
25:11
Speaker 14: sight of what is the national interest here of which
25:13
Speaker 14: they are meant to be the foremost guardians.
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Speaker 1: I mean.
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Speaker 2: Juliana Sange's lawyers keep saying that no one was harmed
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Speaker 2: as a result of his document dump, that the US
25:25
Speaker 2: government hasn't been able to produce or name anyone who
25:29
Speaker 2: was put in harm's way.
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Speaker 1: What's your response to.
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Speaker 14: This, Well, firstly, I'd say that this matter never went
25:36
Speaker 14: to trial, and I think those are the sorts of
25:38
Speaker 14: details that would only be revealed at trial. But beyond that,
25:42
Speaker 14: I mean, even if you accept that assertion, what they
25:45
Speaker 14: have done is expose methods, systems, operating procedures which compromise
25:50
Speaker 14: the effectiveness and the capability of Western national security services
25:55
Speaker 14: and intelligence services. So it has undoubtedly undermined our national security.
25:59
Speaker 14: I would be surprised if individual human sources were not
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Speaker 14: compromised by the dumping of that information on the web
26:08
Speaker 14: as well. I don't think you can there's any way
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Speaker 14: you can spin this as being some sort of harmless,
26:15
Speaker 14: victim free act of you know, noble journalism. I think
26:19
Speaker 14: it's the complete antithesis of that.
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Speaker 2: What about this argument that a signed was used by Russia,
26:26
Speaker 2: as Hillary Clinton says, as a proper gander tour. We
26:30
Speaker 2: know he was given a television show on Russian state
26:34
Speaker 2: TV for a time. He interviewed a Hesbala terrorist. He
26:38
Speaker 2: called him a freedom fighter, So he does seem to
26:41
Speaker 2: be this anti Western figure we values that aren't shared
26:46
Speaker 2: by most Australians.
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Speaker 14: I think that's exactly right. I mean, as Hillary Clinton
26:52
Speaker 14: pointed out, I mean, he hasn't been revealing, you know,
26:56
Speaker 14: the private wealth of you know, the senior members of
26:59
Speaker 14: the politbureau standing committee in China, for instance. He hasn't
27:01
Speaker 14: been revealing, you know, whereas Pruden stashed his millions, and
27:05
Speaker 14: the nepotism that is unfolding in Russia today. None of
27:08
Speaker 14: those things that are the targets of his leaks. It's
27:10
Speaker 14: all focused towards the West. He was used by Russia today,
27:14
Speaker 14: he hosted a show on Russia Today, and the leaks
27:17
Speaker 14: that he was allegedly involved in from Hillary Clinton the
27:20
Speaker 14: Democratic National Committee's Private Service in twenty sixteen undoubtedly did
27:25
Speaker 14: damage to her presidential campaign. I mean, this is someone
27:28
Speaker 14: who shouldn't normally be someone who's held up by the
27:32
Speaker 14: progressive left. But we're in this perverse sort of moral
27:35
Speaker 14: universe where he's become a cause celebrity of the progressive
27:39
Speaker 14: circles in Australia and elsewhere in the world. And I
27:42
Speaker 14: just think it's so upside down. I can't really make
27:48
Speaker 14: sense of it.
27:49
Speaker 2: It's kind of quite similar to how Albanezi has reacted
27:53
Speaker 2: since the harmas Terra attacks on Israel. And you saw
27:57
Speaker 2: Julia Gillard's comments in Josh Breidenberg's documentary, and also how
28:02
Speaker 2: strong she was as a supporter of Israel when she
28:04
Speaker 2: was Prime Minister, and she's increasingly looking more centrist, you know,
28:10
Speaker 2: showing leadership. She shows Albanisi up quite frankly for being
28:14
Speaker 2: weak out of the radical left.
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Speaker 14: I think that's right. And I think if you need
28:20
Speaker 14: to figure out what this government's going to do on something,
28:22
Speaker 14: you need to look at what the Greens are calling for,
28:24
Speaker 14: and you find that the government is just a few
28:26
Speaker 14: steps behind them. So, you know, restore funding to UNRA,
28:30
Speaker 14: the Greens call for that. A few weeks later the
28:32
Speaker 14: government does it call for Julian Losandra's release. Well, the
28:35
Speaker 14: labor government's there a few steps behind them, you know,
28:39
Speaker 14: criticize Israel. Labor government's there, recognize the state of Palestine.
28:42
Speaker 14: Labor government is there or getting there. I think this
28:46
Speaker 14: is entirely their prison. I mean, I think they're focused
28:48
Speaker 14: only on electoral politics and domestic politics. And alban EASi,
28:53
Speaker 14: being a creature as he is from the inner West
28:56
Speaker 14: of Sydney, has always been focused on the Greens as
28:58
Speaker 14: his main political threat, and he's brought that view to
29:01
Speaker 14: the national stage and the national interest, which is what
29:04
Speaker 14: he is paid to look after. What his job is
29:07
Speaker 14: seems to be a second order issue to him compared
29:10
Speaker 14: to how does he politically position himself in the Labor
29:13
Speaker 14: Party to save off the threat from the left. I mean,
29:16
Speaker 14: it's no way to run the nation.
29:17
Speaker 2: No, and he does seem to have those inner West
29:20
Speaker 2: left leaning sensibilities at heart. Dave Sharma, thank you very
29:23
Speaker 2: much for joining me tonight. Such a good interview. Now
29:27
Speaker 2: it's all hands on deck for Joe Biden's team before
29:30
Speaker 2: the presidential debate, which is tomorrow at eleven am our time.
29:35
Speaker 2: The White House has confirmed that sixteen eights have been
29:38
Speaker 2: in a lock up with Joe Biden to prepare at
29:41
Speaker 2: Camp David. So, the main aim for this debate for
29:45
Speaker 2: Joe Biden, who's eighty one, will be to get through
29:48
Speaker 2: an hour and a half without mixing up world leaders
29:51
Speaker 2: forgetting his train of thought freezing.
29:53
Speaker 1: Up or falling over well.
29:56
Speaker 2: So look ahead to the debate from a US Studies Center,
29:59
Speaker 2: fellow Stephen Loosely joins me. Now, Stephen, thank you very
30:02
Speaker 2: much for your time. So do you think this would
30:05
Speaker 2: be a success for Joe Biden if he just gets
30:07
Speaker 2: through the hour and a half of the debate without
30:10
Speaker 2: any mishaps.
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Speaker 15: Well, one of the fascinating developments in the weeks leading
30:16
Speaker 15: up to this Atlanta debate debates have been the fact
30:20
Speaker 15: that the Trump team spent a lot of time trashing
30:24
Speaker 15: the president's debating capabilities. At one stage, Donald Trump said
30:29
Speaker 15: he was the worst debate he'd ever faced. That actually
30:36
Speaker 15: had as a consequence the setting of the bar so
30:38
Speaker 15: low for President Biden in the debate that the Republicans
30:44
Speaker 15: have moved away from that and have started to talk
30:47
Speaker 15: about the president's capacities at the lecton. I think this
30:51
Speaker 15: is an important waystation in the presidential election campaign, Charry,
30:56
Speaker 15: and I think what the Democrats are looking at the
31:00
Speaker 15: reasons they ask for this debate to be held so
31:02
Speaker 15: early is to approach on the basis of Joe Biden
31:08
Speaker 15: performing as well as he did in the State of
31:10
Speaker 15: the Union, which was not anticipated, but it was very fiery,
31:15
Speaker 15: very lively, and he had the added benefit of being
31:17
Speaker 15: abused in the bluechers by Marjorie Tayler Green. So I
31:22
Speaker 15: think what the Democrats are looking for is not just
31:26
Speaker 15: to have the president on his feet in ninety minutes,
31:29
Speaker 15: but to have the president win this debate out.
31:32
Speaker 2: Do you think Biden will definitely be the Democratic candidate
31:36
Speaker 2: who'll face off against Trump or do you think there's
31:38
Speaker 2: any possibility that the Democratic Party might still have reservations
31:43
Speaker 2: about whether they stick with Biden.
31:47
Speaker 15: US politics has taught me over the generations that you
31:50
Speaker 15: can never rule out any eventuality, and we've had extraordinary
31:56
Speaker 15: circumstances like Lyndon Johnson announcing in marnineteen sixty eight as
32:03
Speaker 15: the President of the US that he would not be
32:06
Speaker 15: seeking his party's nomination again. He was not running for
32:08
Speaker 15: president again. That came as a complete bolt from the blue.
32:13
Speaker 15: At the moment, Joe Biden is the Democratic nominee, and
32:16
Speaker 15: it's likely to be endorsed by the convention in Chicago.
32:21
Speaker 15: If we had unforeseen circumstances that could change. On the
32:28
Speaker 15: Republican side, I have no doubt that Donald Trump will
32:32
Speaker 15: go forward as the presumptive nominee, and there's much interest
32:36
Speaker 15: in who the vice presidential nominee will be for the Republicans,
32:40
Speaker 15: and this is quite fascinating in anticipation that he might
32:44
Speaker 15: not win the debate. Donald Trump has announced he's already
32:48
Speaker 15: picked his vice presidential running mate, and he'll announce it
32:52
Speaker 15: in the not to distant future. And that's designed to
32:55
Speaker 15: shift the emphasis away from the debate in the event
32:59
Speaker 15: that it's a disappointing performance for Trump. It's quite clever.
33:04
Speaker 15: Shows that Donald Trump it's not necessarily as confident as
33:08
Speaker 15: he might appear.
33:10
Speaker 2: We saw this week that his spokesperson, he spokeswoman was
33:13
Speaker 2: kicked off CNN when she started to criticize Jake Tapper,
33:17
Speaker 2: who will actually be moderating the debate.
33:19
Speaker 1: Have a look at that moment.
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Speaker 13: First of all, it's so it takes someone five minutes
33:24
Speaker 13: to google Jake Tapper Donald Trump to see that Jake
33:26
Speaker 13: Tapper has stade filter.
33:30
Speaker 1: Ma'am, I'm going to stop.
33:32
Speaker 12: If I'm stating to attack my colleagues, I would like
33:35
Speaker 12: to talk about you body and Donald Trump who you
33:38
Speaker 12: work for.
33:39
Speaker 1: If you are here week on.
33:40
Speaker 5: His behalf and I will have this conversation.
33:43
Speaker 13: I am stating facts that your colleagues have stated in
33:46
Speaker 13: the past.
33:46
Speaker 1: Now I'm sorry, We're going to come back to Caroline.
33:49
Speaker 1: Thank you very much from your time.
33:50
Speaker 5: You are welcome to come back at any point. She
33:53
Speaker 5: is welcome to come back and speak about Donald Trump.
33:57
Speaker 2: Not much a freedom of speech over there at NAN.
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Speaker 2: But Stephen, do you expect that it will be a
34:03
Speaker 2: fair debate with the moderators Jake Tapper and Dana Bash.
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Speaker 15: By and large, Yes, And I think the new rules
34:12
Speaker 15: with the microphones going silent when one candidate has the
34:18
Speaker 15: flaw and the other candidate is to listen, will work.
34:21
Speaker 15: So we won't have the situation as we had with
34:24
Speaker 15: Mike Wallace on a previous debate where Donald Trump endeavors
34:28
Speaker 15: to talk right over the top of Joe Biden, which
34:32
Speaker 15: incidentally did Trump enormous damage in the American heartlund and
34:37
Speaker 15: the Republican Party knows that he may not be able
34:40
Speaker 15: to restrain himself. With one comment made the other day,
34:43
Speaker 15: I noticed, Joe Biden will seek to control the debate.
34:46
Speaker 15: Donald Trump will seek to control himself. That's not a
34:49
Speaker 15: bit way to approach matters. But look what happened on CNN.
34:53
Speaker 15: It's just indicative of the polarization in American politics.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely divide.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, effort for bridge and very little effort to have
35:04
Speaker 15: a civilized discourse.
35:05
Speaker 2: No, indeed, Stephen Lucy Thank you very much for your
35:08
Speaker 2: insights this evening. Now coming up the chilling footage of
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Speaker 2: the moment a nineteen year old armed with knives walked
35:15
Speaker 2: into a labor politician's office. This story we broke exclusively
35:19
Speaker 2: on the show tonight last night, and now we'll give
35:22
Speaker 2: you more details that coming up after the break.
35:29
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
35:30
Speaker 5: Well.
35:30
Speaker 2: More details have now emerged about the story I broke
35:33
Speaker 2: exclusively here last night, the teenager who allegedly entered a
35:38
Speaker 2: new South Wales labor and PA's office armed with knives
35:42
Speaker 2: and a warning.
35:42
Speaker 1: Some of this is quite distressing.
35:45
Speaker 2: There's now disturbing go pro footage the nineteen year old
35:48
Speaker 2: allegedly live streamed during the ordeal, and police say it
35:51
Speaker 2: shows him wearing a helmet, ballistic vest, a knife and
35:55
Speaker 2: a face mask. He's been identified by police as James
35:59
Speaker 2: Patton and has since been charged with terror offenses and
36:03
Speaker 2: intending to kill Newcastle Labor and p Tim Krackenthorpe. As
36:08
Speaker 2: I said on air last night, I received the two
36:11
Speaker 2: hundred page manifesto yesterday. It was allegedly sent to me
36:16
Speaker 2: by Patten. It had the subject heading for you. It
36:20
Speaker 2: was truly terrifying, to say the least, I was very
36:23
Speaker 2: alarmed and we.
36:25
Speaker 1: Notified police immediately.
36:27
Speaker 2: In it, police will allege that he spoke about his
36:30
Speaker 2: desire for a mass killing. It had anti submitted content
36:34
Speaker 2: in the manifesto. He discussed beheadings and he claimed he
36:38
Speaker 2: was inspired by the terrorist Brenton Tarrant who murdered fifty
36:42
Speaker 2: one people. Now, it went for two hundred pages. There
36:46
Speaker 2: was a lot of alarming content in it, as you
36:50
Speaker 2: can imagine, it was really quite something to receive. In it,
36:54
Speaker 2: he also spoke about his plot to allegedly kill a
36:58
Speaker 2: labor politician. Now, I was enormously relieved to hear in
37:02
Speaker 2: the afternoon that this teenager had been arrested, and we
37:06
Speaker 2: should all be so grateful that police acted to move
37:10
Speaker 2: quickly in this Let's bring it now Tonight's panel, Sky
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Speaker 2: News commentator Jason Morrison and former Labor and Graham Richardson.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both. Jason.
37:19
Speaker 2: This sort of manifesto and the fact that the teenager
37:24
Speaker 2: was arrested outside of Labor and PA's office. He had knives,
37:28
Speaker 2: he was reading aloud his manifesto. Look, it just adds
37:31
Speaker 2: to this volatile climate that we're all in at the moment.
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Speaker 16: And it's a reminder of that old saying that the
37:38
Speaker 16: police have with respect to matters terrorism, that you know,
37:42
Speaker 16: the terrorists only got to get it right at once.
37:44
Speaker 16: The police have got to get it right every time.
37:47
Speaker 16: And the information that has come out and is available
37:51
Speaker 16: in some ports is that the police got very good
37:55
Speaker 16: information from the family who were very concerned and very worried,
38:00
Speaker 16: and they acted very swiftly. And good on you and
38:03
Speaker 16: your staff for getting that information to them as well,
38:05
Speaker 16: because that all helps and allows them to react very promptly.
38:08
Speaker 16: They used a little bit of a policing technology methodology
38:11
Speaker 16: to be able to pinpoint his location and they jumped
38:14
Speaker 16: on him fast and they got him. Can I say
38:17
Speaker 16: this is not a criticism of you, Sky News or
38:19
Speaker 16: any other news media, but the release of that video
38:22
Speaker 16: stuff that you've just been able to show it was
38:24
Speaker 16: all in all the news servicess all over the inter
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Speaker 16: I don't get the benefit in the release of that.
38:29
Speaker 16: I just don't. I know why it's there, and it's
38:32
Speaker 16: an exhibit and it will be part of them, but
38:34
Speaker 16: I just don't see the upside of that being shown
38:37
Speaker 16: because it does show, frankly, how fragile things are. This
38:41
Speaker 16: guy has been described as having level two autism. He
38:44
Speaker 16: has no criminal history, and the allegations that he face
38:47
Speaker 16: are grave. I just worry about that being out and
38:51
Speaker 16: about there. I mean, we can handle the truth, but
38:53
Speaker 16: sometimes there are some people that are absolutely nuts and
38:56
Speaker 16: they don't need to see how damn easy Sometimes.
38:58
Speaker 2: It can be well, I think there can be a
39:02
Speaker 2: debate about what we should and shouldn't publish. In terms
39:05
Speaker 2: from my perspective, I didn't publish any of the manifesto.
39:08
Speaker 2: I didn't broadcast it last night. It's lengthy, there's a
39:11
Speaker 2: lot of terrifying detail in it. I didn't broadcast that.
39:15
Speaker 2: Some of that was in the papers today and so
39:19
Speaker 2: and the journalists got it from other sources, not from me.
39:23
Speaker 2: But we've been very careful with what we've published. But
39:26
Speaker 2: in the manifesto he speaks about discussing a lot of
39:30
Speaker 2: these plans on chat rooms. So, look, Rich, are you
39:34
Speaker 2: hoping that police are aware? Counter terrorism police and our
39:39
Speaker 2: AZIO and other intelligence agencies are aware of the chat
39:43
Speaker 2: rooms are able to access them? Because what he speaks
39:47
Speaker 2: about was being discussed in the chat rooms is also
39:50
Speaker 2: very alarming.
39:51
Speaker 17: Oh, it's terrifying, and I'm glad that the police are
39:56
Speaker 17: aware of these chat rooms. I think that they're in
39:59
Speaker 17: front of the aim on this and that's just as
40:02
Speaker 17: well for all of us, because that provides a safety
40:05
Speaker 17: net that we really need. I think that's the one
40:08
Speaker 17: thing this guy proves is how easy it is to
40:11
Speaker 17: be a terrorist, and that's what's scary about it to me.
40:18
Speaker 1: Now, let's have a.
40:18
Speaker 2: Look at this issue at the University of Sydney and
40:21
Speaker 2: the Vice Chancellor, Mark Scott's handling of anti Semitism on campus.
40:25
Speaker 2: As you know, Mark Scott has capitulated to the groups
40:29
Speaker 2: that were running the encampment. He's done a deal with
40:32
Speaker 2: them where they can review some of the research collaborations
40:37
Speaker 2: that the University of Sydney has. This would amount to
40:40
Speaker 2: an Israel boycott. Now, the Jewish groups today have come
40:44
Speaker 2: out and said that they have lost confidence in the
40:47
Speaker 2: capacity of the University of Sydney to provide for the physical,
40:50
Speaker 2: cultural and psychosocial safety of Jewish students and staff members. Jason, Look,
40:59
Speaker 2: this is really concerning leadership from Mark Scott.
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Speaker 16: Extraordinarily, it's extraordinary. I don't get the Mark Scott phenomena.
41:07
Speaker 16: I have not got how someone continues to fall short,
41:10
Speaker 16: and so many roles and obligations and just keeps rising.
41:14
Speaker 16: He has an extraordinary job at this university and he
41:17
Speaker 16: has put Australia. I think he's put Australia's national security
41:20
Speaker 16: at risk by allowing people who clearly have a deep
41:23
Speaker 16: hatred of a certain corner of the community to have
41:28
Speaker 16: some kind of oversight on what the university is doing
41:32
Speaker 16: in delicate research projects.
41:34
Speaker 2: This is bad.
41:35
Speaker 16: And look, you got to hear me through the whole
41:37
Speaker 16: thing here. The old phrase about don't negotiate with terrorists.
41:40
Speaker 16: Now I'm not saying the people on the lawn were terrorists.
41:42
Speaker 16: We're not saying that. But I actually we're saying some
41:46
Speaker 16: of them might think that terrorists are doing a good
41:48
Speaker 16: thing over in the Middle East. But what I do
41:50
Speaker 16: worry about deeply in all of this is that what's
41:53
Speaker 16: the message here. They were breaking the rules, they were
41:56
Speaker 16: breaking the law. There are signs up flashing everywhere saying
41:59
Speaker 16: don't end are in closed landsy You get arrested at
42:01
Speaker 16: Sydney University and Scott does a deal with them to
42:04
Speaker 16: go away, And in the meantime, Jewish students walking around
42:09
Speaker 16: Sydney University campus are scared shitless because they're having absolute
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Speaker 16: romper stomp a look protests going on with radical Islamists
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Speaker 16: chanting ala Akhbar and things like that, which are frightening
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Speaker 16: for them to see. I think there's something real wrong
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Speaker 16: with it.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned that they were chanting alo akba well at
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Speaker 2: their press conference to announce this deal that they've done
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Speaker 2: with Mark Scott. Have a look at the footage we'll
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Speaker 2: show you now.
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Speaker 1: A rich are they chanted that too?
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Speaker 16: Mark Scott's negotiating with. That's who is negotiating.
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Speaker 2: With exactly rich are they chanted that? More than twenty
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Speaker 2: times in the one press conference. There was no Australian
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Speaker 2: ant them or any Australian slogans at all. It was
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Speaker 2: all ala wakba. You know, some of the members of
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Speaker 2: this fringe group have been linked to his book to Rea,
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Speaker 2: it's not a terror organization here, but it is in
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Speaker 2: the United Kingdom and there are calls for it to
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Speaker 2: be recognized as an extremist organization here as well.
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Speaker 1: Rich O, where's Mark Scott? Where's your mate? Elbow? And
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Speaker 1: all of this?
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Speaker 17: Well, I think you know, there's a whole lot of
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Speaker 17: a whole set of levels here where we've failed and
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Speaker 17: whether whether it's at administery, at the university or our
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Speaker 17: political overlords. Just nothing is being done when you can
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Speaker 17: see a danger. And that's that's.
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Speaker 10: Terrifying to me.
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Speaker 17: What we have to do when we see an ugly
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Speaker 17: obvious danger like this is act and act quickly. You
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Speaker 17: can't sit around and watch and say, well, well, well,
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Speaker 17: let's hope we can get them when they try something.
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Speaker 17: That's not much good saying oh, well they killed a
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Speaker 17: couple of people, we got them. I'd much rather those
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Speaker 17: couple of people never got killed.
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Speaker 1: Rich.
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Speaker 2: I also just want to ask you, during your time
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Speaker 2: in Canberra, if someone had crossed the floor, there would
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Speaker 2: have been consequences. What do you think of Albanesi's soft
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Speaker 2: response to labor Senator Fatima Payman this week when she
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Speaker 2: crossed the floor to support the Green's motion to recognize
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Speaker 2: the Palestinian state.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, I thought it was very weak. When the crunch comes,
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Speaker 17: I think that caucus rules observed Labor will over time
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Speaker 17: very well. And I don't understand why on some issues
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Speaker 17: you can say, well look will Caucasus and everything else,
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Speaker 17: but you can have your way on this one. That's nonsense.
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Speaker 17: You're either caucus or you don't, and I think Elbow's
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Speaker 17: made a mistake on this, and I hope he gets
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Speaker 17: a chance to think about it again and make sure
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Speaker 17: he doesn't allow it again, because once you start allowing
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Speaker 17: this then and discipline starts to fall, then I think
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Speaker 17: you're not going to be much of a party in
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Speaker 17: the in our parliament.
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Speaker 2: Although it seems like he said the precedent, now he's
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Speaker 2: not going to be able to expel someone else for
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Speaker 2: crossing the floor because he didn't expel Fadam a payment.
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Speaker 2: Graeme richardson Jason Morrison. I'm sorry we're out of time,
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Speaker 2: but good to see you both now after the break,
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Speaker 2: mortgage holders face an August potential rate rise after the
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Speaker 2: inflation acceleration.
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Speaker 1: This week we'll.
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Speaker 2: Talk about just whether the Prime Minister does care about
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Speaker 2: the cost of living in the economy or is it
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Speaker 2: only celebration of Julian Assange welcome back. Well, while the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister is distracted with Julian Assange, economists are now
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Speaker 2: predicting one or even two into straight rises this year
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Speaker 2: after inflation went up. Let's bring in now Macro Business
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Speaker 2: Chief economist Leith found Nonslin to discuss. Leith, thank you
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Speaker 2: very much for your time. What do you think of
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Speaker 2: the inflation rise this week?
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Speaker 18: Yeah, look, it's obviously a very poor result and it
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Speaker 18: shows that inflation remains sticky. Sharing it doesn't necessarily mean
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Speaker 18: that interest rate's going to rise, although obviously the chances
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Speaker 18: have increased massively. The RBA has got five weeks before
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Speaker 18: the next monetary policy meeting, and between now and then
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Speaker 18: it's going to receive two retail sales prints, the Dune
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Speaker 18: labor market data, as well as the Q two quarterly
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Speaker 18: inflation reports, so it'll have to weigh up that data
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Speaker 18: before it makes a decision on rates in early August.
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Speaker 18: But that said, the figures do show that the albany
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Speaker 18: Is government is making the RBA's job so much harder
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Speaker 18: through its mass immigration policy that's pushing rents through the moon,
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Speaker 18: and also its failures on energy policy. Because energy inflation
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Speaker 18: remains very sticky, it's another one of the key contributors
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Speaker 18: to inflation.
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Speaker 2: Well aside from immigrant policy which we speak about often,
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Speaker 2: and inflation.
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Speaker 1: In rents as well.
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Speaker 2: The Opposition was arguing in Parliament today that Labour's budget
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Speaker 2: is also putting pressure on inflation. What do you think
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Speaker 2: is this a proposition that you agree.
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Speaker 18: With, yes and no. Obviously the subsidies for energy and
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Speaker 18: rents and those sorts of things will reduce prices directly
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Speaker 18: in those areas, but that obviously then puts more money
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Speaker 18: in consumers pockets so they can then spend, which then
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Speaker 18: has other impacts. The bigger problem with it is the
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Speaker 18: budget does nothing to address the underlying causes of this inflation.
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Speaker 18: So for example, you know that the rents, the energy crisis.
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Speaker 18: We have extreme energy shocks in the East Coast here,
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Speaker 18: which is pushing up an energy inflation. So look, look,
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Speaker 18: you know there's a little bit of ins and out. Obviously,
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Speaker 18: I don't think the coalition would want the Federal government
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Speaker 18: to abandon the Stage three tax cuts. They're obviously going
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Speaker 18: to be inflationary as well. So look, I think the
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Speaker 18: federal government needs to do a lot to help the
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Speaker 18: RBA out on the policy front, so that is to
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Speaker 18: cut immigration and also fix the energy market because we
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Speaker 18: are paying extraordinary energy prices in Australia despite the fact
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Speaker 18: that we are an energy superpower. We should have the
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Speaker 18: cheapest energy costs in the world. I think those are
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Speaker 18: the bigger issues.
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Speaker 2: In terms of productivity. I mean We've only got about
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Speaker 2: ten seconds. But what should the government be doing very quickly?
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Speaker 18: Pair back the the NDIS is an absolute productivity drain.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is going to be the biggest cos
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Speaker 2: burden on the budget moving forward, no question. All right,
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Speaker 2: Leith van Ondsen, thank you very much for your insights tonight.
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Speaker 1: Now I'm going to be off for a few weeks.
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Speaker 2: Danika de Georgia will be filling in, so don't miss
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Speaker 2: the show.
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Speaker 1: Keep watching at.
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Speaker 2: Eight o'clock, but just a bit of an annual leave.
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Speaker 2: So thank you very much for your company tonight. And
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Speaker 2: right now he's poor Murray