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136. [Texas] The Babysitter Killer · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome, bless this mess in the True Crime Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care. Here's Stu say hay Stu, Right, all right,
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  Speaker 1: we're back this week and we are going to be
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  Speaker 1: covering an episode from Who the Bleep Did I Marry?
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  Speaker 1: The Babysitter Killers? Do What?
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  Speaker 2: Say What? Episode? I don't know you didn't write that down? No, wow,
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  Speaker 2: that's terrible.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Anyways, it's what that's the name. They can look
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  Speaker 1: at it if they want to watch it. Anyways, we
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  Speaker 1: were watching some true crime stuff over the weekend and
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  Speaker 1: this one came up and it was pretty interesting, kind
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  Speaker 1: of crazy story, a little ridiculous, yes, a little ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's what you're going to get on who the
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  Speaker 1: Bleep Did I marry?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Or anything that Susan Luci host, you know, she's like
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  Speaker 1: Affairs that Kill or something like that. And then the
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  Speaker 1: one last time that Stu thought I was making up
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  Speaker 1: Wives with Knives, I showed it like, see this is
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  Speaker 1: it Wives with Knives. I hope to be featured on
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  Speaker 1: that show one day.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I'll do what I can.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, so we're back this week, so we're gonna so
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna putting an episode this week.
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  Speaker 1: I know we were doing every other week. We're putting
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  Speaker 1: out an episode this week and then we're gonna try
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  Speaker 1: to put one out the next week. But we have
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  Speaker 1: some logistical challenges with recording, so it might be delayed
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  Speaker 1: next week or we might skip next week. But that's
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  Speaker 1: just what it is. It is what it is. It
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  Speaker 1: is what it is. That's what they say, is to.
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  Speaker 2: Do, that's what they do. Say all right, you just
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  Speaker 2: put this one in the can and save it till
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  Speaker 2: next week.
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  Speaker 1: You can't tell you can't, you can't say the other things,
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  Speaker 1: and then just say that and then I'll put the
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  Speaker 1: episode out.
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  Speaker 2: Are like, oh, I guess I did what she did
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  Speaker 2: with suggested.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, maybe you guys will see. So if you're.
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  Speaker 3: Listening to this this week, which is one week after
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  Speaker 3: Gabby Potito ended, then we did it my way if
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  Speaker 3: we listen. If you're listening to it, it's been two
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  Speaker 3: weeks since Gabby Patito ended, you're we're doing it.
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  Speaker 1: Stu's way, So check your calendars. Yeah, if you're that concern,
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  Speaker 1: if you haven't already stopped playing the episode at this point,
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  Speaker 1: but we got the download so still counts.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm tired tonight. Well, I've worked till seven pm last night,
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  Speaker 1: and I normally I do not normally work. I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not in one of these roles where I'm working
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  Speaker 1: like people are like, oh, I work like sixty hours
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  Speaker 1: a week or something. No, I work my forty and
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  Speaker 1: I'm usually done. But every once in a while, like
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  Speaker 1: every every probably every six weeks or so, I have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that is due all at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, and people move schedules and so. Anyway, so
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  Speaker 1: I had to work till seven last night, and then
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  Speaker 1: I had to drive to New Mexico today, which is
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  Speaker 1: just exhausting.
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  Speaker 2: Yawn, Yon, I gotta say yon, because I yawned. You
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  Speaker 2: didn't Oh, I.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't say I thought you were just saying what I
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  Speaker 1: was saying was boring. It is, okay, Well what'd you
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  Speaker 1: do today? Stupid?
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  Speaker 2: Move on? I clean the pool, yawn, took the children out.
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  Speaker 1: To do things, and that's about it.
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  Speaker 2: Kept them all alive all day.
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  Speaker 1: You kept them all alive anyways. All right, So if
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  Speaker 1: I forget to post on the TikTok. I forget to post.
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  Speaker 1: I get sucked into that algorithm if I'm in that
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  Speaker 1: app too long. That's why we're late on this right
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  Speaker 1: now recording, because I sat down and I started in
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  Speaker 1: the TikTok and that the Chinese government, they sure know me. Well,
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  Speaker 1: they just.
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  Speaker 2: I got you, They got me.
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  Speaker 1: They get me good every time then. Anyway, So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: so we thank you all for your support and everything,
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  Speaker 1: and so let's go ahead and get into this week's
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  Speaker 1: episode Out of Texas. So with this episode, we meet
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  Speaker 1: Brian Cargill. Now, Brian was born in Wichita Falls, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: His parents did divorce after three years of marriage and
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  Speaker 1: he ends up living with his mom full time. Now
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  Speaker 1: his mom, she was a single mother. They struggled and
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  Speaker 1: they just moved a lot. They moved around a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he went like twenty damn schools between elementary and
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  Speaker 2: high schoolers.
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  Speaker 1: Well it wasn't twenty it was he ended up in
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  Speaker 1: six different schools by the time time he graduated.
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  Speaker 2: I thought he went six and elementary, and then he
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  Speaker 2: moved like three times and jail.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it was nine and then another No, I thought
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  Speaker 1: he said it was like he moved a whole He
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  Speaker 1: moved like a not a normal amount of time.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't watch the same episode.
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  Speaker 1: Then, okay, whatever, God, the one, the one?
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  Speaker 2: What do I don't know? Whatever it was, I don't remember.
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  Speaker 1: The Brian laundry one. You said that they said something
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, I didn't catch that anyway. So
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  Speaker 1: basically though, he his mom was a single mother. You know,
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  Speaker 1: she's having to move around, change your jobs, things like that.
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  Speaker 1: They moved schools a lot. Stu's doing the single lady
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  Speaker 1: dance over there. He just be thankful. This is an
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  Speaker 1: audio program. There are no cameras rolling right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we have faces made for audio podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: Did you just say that about me?
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  Speaker 2: No, you said we have said. I said me have
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  Speaker 2: faces you I would never Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Brian took a real interest in buildings and structures
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  Speaker 1: and decided to study architecture in college. After graduation, he
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  Speaker 1: ended up working in Dallas, Texas. Now, Brian he always
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  Speaker 1: wanted a stable life with a good career, and just
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  Speaker 1: like that traditional nuclear family. And this was a dude
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  Speaker 1: to a lot of how he grew up. He just
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  Speaker 1: craved like stability, you know, get married for life, have
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  Speaker 1: a baby, live in one place, things like that. So
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  Speaker 1: he did end up marrying young, but just after a
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  Speaker 1: few years, his wife she's.
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  Speaker 2: Like a one out going to the club, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting out. Well, he was very upset about this
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  Speaker 1: and just felt like he was, you know, part of
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  Speaker 1: another broken family, which they did not have children yet,
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  Speaker 1: so there's that plus as they got out before then, well,
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  Speaker 1: Brian went through the divorce and about nine months after
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  Speaker 1: it was finalized, his friend at him up on a
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  Speaker 1: blind date with a woman named Kimberly West.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Kimberly was a twenty seven year old receptionist. His friend
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  Speaker 1: said she was pretty and vivacious and he they just
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  Speaker 1: thought that they would be just a great match. And
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  Speaker 1: when Brian showed up for the date, he was pleasantly
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  Speaker 1: surprised because she was good looking. You know, he didn't
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  Speaker 1: have to you know, pretend, and you know, and Brian
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  Speaker 1: is like so so when they showed the pictures, I
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  Speaker 1: think he looks better now that he's older. In the
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  Speaker 1: in the in the episode. Yeah, but when it was younger,
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  Speaker 1: he looked like he played dungeons and dungeons and dragons.
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  Speaker 1: That's all.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna cheetos.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so cheetos?
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  Speaker 2: Is that what they eat when they're playing dungeons?
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea what I mean. I'm I'm into
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  Speaker 1: Harry Potter and stuff, but I draw the line at
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  Speaker 1: dungeons and dragons. Is it called D D, D and
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  Speaker 1: D yes? Okay, did you play it? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Requires effort.
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  Speaker 1: Uh. One of my brothers, some of his friends were
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  Speaker 1: a little weird and they played it and everything. One
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  Speaker 1: of them wore like a trench of coat, you know,
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  Speaker 1: which was bad timing because of you know, Columbine and everything,
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  Speaker 1: like not a good.
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  Speaker 2: Nath Yes, oh, thank goodness.
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  Speaker 1: The other guy, he the one guy had a brother.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not even going to go into it because it's disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: We won't talk about it. So anyways, so he meets
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  Speaker 1: Kimberly and on this blind date and she's pretty fun.
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  Speaker 1: Everything that he was expecting. Well, they also had just
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  Speaker 1: a you know, like quite a few things in common
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  Speaker 1: because Kimberly was recently divorced and she was going through
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  Speaker 1: a custody battle, so he could relate to that he
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  Speaker 1: was just divorced and everything like that. Now, over the
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  Speaker 1: next few weeks, Kim and Brian they continue to grow close.
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  Speaker 1: They were talking on the phone all the time. Well,
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  Speaker 1: he said that he started to fill this connection with
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  Speaker 1: Kim that he just didn't have with his ex wife,
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  Speaker 1: and he felt that it was a very romantic relationship.
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  Speaker 1: I think he was very a tracted tours.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, he was.
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  Speaker 1: Lusting actual Kimberly. So they end up going after they're
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  Speaker 1: talking on the so they go on the first date.
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  Speaker 1: They're talking on the phone a lot. Over the next
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  Speaker 1: few weeks, they decided to go on this second date,
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  Speaker 1: but it.
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  Speaker 3: Was actually at a divorce support group is where they
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  Speaker 3: decided to go.
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  Speaker 1: Like, why the fuck now.
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  Speaker 2: No red flag? Red flag?
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of red flags.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was a circus.
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  Speaker 1: They say, red flags just look like flags whenever you
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  Speaker 1: got your rose colored glasses on. Really, yes, you get that,
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  Speaker 1: you understand, Okay, So he's there's there's some red flags
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  Speaker 1: going on. But they have decided to go to this
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  Speaker 1: divorce support group. I guess because they both were coming
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  Speaker 1: out of divorce and this was just something they were
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  Speaker 1: going to go do together. Start dating at the divorce.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe he was dating for a marriage, and he's like,
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  Speaker 2: I got to go do the things she's interested in doing.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe because it was her group, because you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: here soon, it was her group, So Brian, he gets
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  Speaker 1: there early and he goes in like a normal person.
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  Speaker 1: He grabs a seat. He saves one next to him
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  Speaker 1: for Kimberly. Uh, we're gonna start calling her Kim because
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  Speaker 1: that's what I typed, because I couldn't because Kimberly is
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  Speaker 1: much longer name than you know. I shortenessed to Kim anyway,
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  Speaker 1: So Kim, he seats.
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  Speaker 2: Are you sure Kim is okay with us?
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  Speaker 1: O can fuck what Kim wants to. Maybe we should
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  Speaker 1: care though she's crazy, So he puts he saves the
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  Speaker 1: seat next to him, like a normal a normal thing
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  Speaker 1: that you would do well. Kim arrives and immediately Brian
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  Speaker 1: knows there's something off about this whole thing. She was
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  Speaker 1: visibly angry when she walked in.
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  Speaker 2: Been there, I've seen that.
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  Speaker 1: She's visibly angry. And she goes in and she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: sit next to him in the seat that he's says,
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  Speaker 1: she sets across from him and then just glick. I
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  Speaker 1: can imagine with her arms crossed. It's something similar I would.
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  Speaker 2: Do to stew Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Stu's felt that those daggers before coming out. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: I could see.
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  Speaker 2: The whole thing, but I just poke in pride.
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  Speaker 1: I know. Stu just continues to poke and prode until
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  Speaker 1: I like snap, and then I'm on snapped, and then
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  Speaker 1: I'm on knives with wives, and then you're not worried
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  Speaker 1: about who the bleep did I marry? You're like, this
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  Speaker 1: bitch has got a knive and she's snapped. Anyways, go
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  Speaker 1: on with what I'm just working in all the names
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  Speaker 1: of the shows. Oh, Deadly Affairs, that's the one that
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  Speaker 1: Susan Lucci host. Is she still alive?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe?
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  Speaker 1: Anyways, So afterwards, Kim confronts Brian in the hallway of
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  Speaker 1: this like outside you know, it's usually they're meeting at
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  Speaker 1: like a church or a schools there in this hallway
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, and she confronts him saying that it was
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  Speaker 1: her group, and then he should have not gone in
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  Speaker 1: without her. He should have waited, He should have stood
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  Speaker 1: out there and waited. Maybe she's right, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sorrying to think maybe she was right. She then just
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  Speaker 1: grabs his face. He says, she grabbed my face. She
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  Speaker 1: kisses him, and then she storms off like he should
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  Speaker 1: have exited stage left immediately after this. He should not
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  Speaker 1: have stayed around.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds exciting to me.
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  Speaker 1: That's well, that's what I was saying. He was a little,
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  Speaker 1: you know, dorky looking, and Kim was you know, uh pretty.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't see a lot of pictures of her when
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  Speaker 1: she was younger, but she was attractive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll kicked this cup.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and so this is like probably some like passionate excitement.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he made it sound like they had this
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  Speaker 1: kind of passionate relationship, and so he was. He was
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  Speaker 1: there for it, even though it was crazy. Well, he
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  Speaker 1: does think this is weird. However, he does.
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  Speaker 2: Give him a chub sounds like a half chubb. Might
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  Speaker 2: be a fall on chub, we don't know, but he
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  Speaker 2: sounded when he was talking about it, he sounded a
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  Speaker 2: little excited about the story, like it was going back
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  Speaker 2: to it and thinking.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was. He was into it for sure, a
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  Speaker 1: little bit a little rough, you know. So he continues
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  Speaker 1: to see her and they didn't even really talk about
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  Speaker 1: this incident, which I can I can imagine.
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  Speaker 2: They just never talked about it ever again got on
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  Speaker 2: this show.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, imagine it's just like this uncomfortable moment, and
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  Speaker 3: so he's just like, I'm not gonna bring it up,
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  Speaker 3: or she's not gonna bring.
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  Speaker 1: My chob was.
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  Speaker 3: Was in her leg, Okay, I was. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: why I felt this so funny. Anyways, get it together,
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  Speaker 3: get it together, okay. So le Stu was saying. Brian
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  Speaker 3: said that it just awakened passions in him, that these
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  Speaker 3: were his words that he did not know he had,
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  Speaker 3: and he quickly fell in love love. I think he
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  Speaker 3: was thinking with a different head.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Carrington, I remember we went and watched that. We
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  Speaker 1: went to that comedy show, didn't we yat on Rouge.
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  Speaker 1: Stud's getting after me about my TikTok. I just want
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  Speaker 1: to say, if an entire government is out to get me,
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  Speaker 1: how am I supposed to? Stuart? You spend all your
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  Speaker 1: time on the stupid build a blog thing or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: build a bear or whatever it is, the little screwing
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  Speaker 1: things and unscrewing things and like moving things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm building the gate, I'm building the gazebo. I'm
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  Speaker 2: painting things, and yes I play.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm doing other things too, but sometimes I like
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  Speaker 1: to just mindlessly scroll. Stewart, Okay, I'm writing a podcast episode,
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  Speaker 1: all right, just just get on with it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, fine. Brian and Kim are a few months
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  Speaker 2: and of their relationship. Kim's going through her custody battle
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  Speaker 2: with her ex, and she asked Brian to come and
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  Speaker 2: be a character witness on her behalf in the courtroom
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  Speaker 2: red flag, probably at least number two that we know,
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  Speaker 2: probably fifteen that he hasn't said anything about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like, maybe if you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: get your child, why would you bring in your boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: for the last couple of months. Yeah, and why don't
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  Speaker 1: you have other people to be the character witness ones?
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  Speaker 1: You don't have to like trap with your you know, Vagina.
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  Speaker 2: You're Kitty, your Jingo taking the skin boat to tune
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  Speaker 2: it down.
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  Speaker 1: That's a quote from what was it? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Can we just get that Brian agrees for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: We know why, Stewart, we know why. I see previous
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  Speaker 1: line awaken passions in him.
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  Speaker 2: So he's there at the courthouse m H. And Kim's
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  Speaker 2: other friend is there to support her friend.
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  Speaker 1: I would like to use the bunnies.
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  Speaker 2: Around that bunny quotes. Yeah, yes, because this friend slips
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  Speaker 2: Brian Kim's psychological profile. He said it had a ton
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  Speaker 2: of words and diagnoses, diagnoses that he did not really understand.
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  Speaker 2: But he did say that she was diagnosed with borderline personalities.
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  Speaker 1: It also said he also said it said narcissism. And
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  Speaker 1: it's like, those are not those are not a big,
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  Speaker 1: you know, therapy psychiatrist's words. Those are everyday things that
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  Speaker 1: people I understand. I don't have to be a psychiatrist be.
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  Speaker 3: Like borderline personality disorder that's not good, narcissists, that's not good.
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  Speaker 3: But he was.
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  Speaker 1: He acts like he was so confused by it all,
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  Speaker 1: all the big words.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So he immediately showed it to her and he's like,
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  Speaker 2: I ain't doing this no more. We're breaking up. Just kidding.
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  Speaker 2: He did not. He was not so sure or he
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  Speaker 2: believed the friend are he believed what wait, no, wrong?
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  Speaker 1: Kim told her that told him that that her ex
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  Speaker 1: paid off the psychiatrist to falsify the results. Yes, the profile, yes,
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  Speaker 1: which like wait a minute, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There's another red flag. I mean, what's Brian.
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  Speaker 1: Thinking, yeah, Brian's thinking Stu.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian, He's not sure he's believing Kim. But since
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  Speaker 2: Kim lost in court that day she lost custody to
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  Speaker 2: the ex, He's like, hey, I ain't got to do nothing. Now,
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  Speaker 2: He's like, I ain't got to bring it up. She
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  Speaker 2: don't want to talk about it. I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get late.
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  Speaker 2: I want, you know, some some comfort sects tonight. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Brian and Kim continue to date, but according to Brian,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Kim became very volatile in this relationship and he felt
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: like he had to walk on eggshells around her so
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: that he didn't set her off and she wouldn't be like,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: why are you so stupid? Like all the time?
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Shut up?
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: He's saying that because because I just said.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: That off air, off recording. He's so annoying.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Why just because I got lost on where my when
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I was raiding? Yes, Finally, after five months together, Brian
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: decided he was going to break it off.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: This is only five months, people, We're only We're only
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: five months. He's been through divorced support group, He's been
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: assaulted in the hallway with the aggressive kissing and the
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: face holding.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Probably penis grabbing, but he didn't say that she probably
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: grabbed his penis when she did it too.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: He was trying to keep it pg for the kids.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: He's gone to court for her custody battle to be
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: a character witness. Found out she's crazy. All of this
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: is all in five months. I mean, she really packs
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: it in.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you can't say she's not trying.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: No, she's trying to make it on a Discovery channel,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: a true crime episode.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: That's what it sounded like to me. So Brian decides
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: he's going to break it off, but he done broke
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: it off and Kimberly won too many times stuid because
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: she says I'm pregnant Brian, oh, and he's like he
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: was like, oh Jesus. So he immediately has a sense
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: of dread, and he had a bad feeling about the
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: future with this woman. But he didn't want to walk
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: away from his girlfriend, who was now pregnant with his child.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: He didn't necessarily want to marry him, and he told
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: her that they didn't have to get married, but she
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: said that if he didn't marry her, he would never
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: see her or the child ever again.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: So they became engaged.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: She won yes, So they got engaged in June of
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, married in a small ceremony in New Mexico.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: It was Brian's mother's house.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I was just a New Mexico stud probably passed Brian's
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: mom's house.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Did you wave?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Brian put on a brave face, but he was not
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: excited about the wedding.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: After the nuptials, I can't believe he admitted this one.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: He admitted that he went to the back of the
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: house somewhere and he just wept.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: He said he had a good cry. God bless him.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: But I wouldn't tell anybody that let me take that
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: one to the grave. Yeah, I would if nobody saw
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: me doing it. And they couldn't say no, I really no.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about. Sometimes the fan
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: sounds like someone crying.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Anyway. So a few months after the wedding, Kim gives
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: birth to their son. And this son's name is Jamie.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: And at first there wasn't There was like a time
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: of peace. It was short lived, but it was even Yeah,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: a little short time of peacefulness right after the baby came,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and he's got you know, they're a little high from
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: having the baby. Maybe this is gonna work. Maybe she
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: just you know, she has the child, Maybe she's gonna
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: straighten up, be different.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because hormones and a after birth are just they
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: just level right on out.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they do. STI Stuve's been in the receiving end of.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: End of I don't even know what you're like. What
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I don't even remember what you're actually like when you're
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: not pregnant and hormonal.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Probably this right now, Stuart, Oh.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: This is the best it can as good as it's
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: gonna get.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: No, because I tried to explain to Stuart that they
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: say it takes two years for your hormones to level
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: out after you have a baby. Well, I just kept
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: getting pregnant and everything, and then I was pumping the
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: whole time.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: So that's your I was pumping, I guess, Oh.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: My god, Jesus Christ. Okay, moving on, moving on. So
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: they have this a little bit of time that it's peaceful,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: but it didn't last long, and just a few weeks
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: later they had a major incident. So Brian just decided
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: he had he'd been having a day, you know, with
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: old Kim. So he goes and locks himself in a
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: room just trying to get away from the arguing. And
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: this is when Kim picks up a hammer threw it
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: at the wall where it lodged in there.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: That's not true. What she came kicking the door. She's like,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: you get your ass out of the motherfucker. So she
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: was banging on the door, kicking the door.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Is that?
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: What is this really happening? Just making this up?
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, because he was locked in the room, so she
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: was kicking the door.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: She did.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: He's like, fine, he walks out, and he walks out,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: and then she whips the hammer at him.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought she whipped the hammer in the wall
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: while he was still in there and he came out.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: No, he said, it almost missed his head. Oh, it
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: did miss his head, almost hit him, whizzed by his
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: ear or something embedded in the wall.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And then she told him that not to remove it.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: He was going to take the hammer out. She said, no,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: don't take it out, as if it was just to
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: be left there as a warning.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Thinking that's the warning. Yeah, and every time you walk
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: by that, remember what this bitch is capable of doing.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and doing all this with like a newborn baby
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: in now it's just insane. So a few more months
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: passed and it finally all came to a head when
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Kim punched Brian in the face. They were in the car.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: She just punches him and he immediately files for divorce
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: to He's like, okay, I'm at my that was like
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: the last straw. Okay, she's actually she's punched me. Now, baby, no, baby,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I got to get out of this this thing now.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Brian would now go through a tough custody battle as
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the other exes went through, and Kim was just to
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the point where she was just harassing Brian at work,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: calling him incessantly. He sat up to fifty times a
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: day she was calling. And then you know, back then
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: she's calling and it's going through a yeah, like a raceist.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: It's not like he's she's blowing up his iPhone or whatever.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, we don't even have desk phones at work anymore,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Like we don't have those phones. Nobody has those. So
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: she's actually having a contact receptionist to buzz through to him,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: and so the everyone at work.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Knows it's your wife.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Again, Brian, could you please stop telling your wife to
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: call from calling the office. Yeah, So it's it's becoming
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: awkward for him at work and everything, and everybody knows
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: he's having.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: To deal with this and he's having marital issues.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm sure that at that point he had to
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: tell everybody at works, Hey, this bitch is crazy. I'm
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: trying to divorce her, but she has my baby.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: So and I no, I ain't got no money for
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: an attorney to fight the custody.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: So yeah, well, no, he had, he had money, but
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: he was. The problem was is that Kim wasn't working
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and Brian was paying her rent for her to live in.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: About seventy five percent of his paycheck was going to her,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: leaving him only a small portion for him to live
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: in an apartment. Stuff. So he was I don't know
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: if he wanted to go to the point at that point.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he was ready to do the
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: full you know, cut you off, get a lawyer, because
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: the problem is she had the baby. You know, that's
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: in bitches.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Back then, mama always get the mama's Well, she lost custody.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Other one, so no, they don't always get it. But
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: she had to be pretty fuck up pretty hard to
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: lose one, especially back then, because I don't feel like
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: they gave the it's more today they see that there's
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: two sides of the story. But I feel like there
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: was a time when it just was always default the mom,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: unless the mom was really terrible.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety five, the custody battle was finally settled,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Brian and Kim ended up with shared custody. Kim quickly
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: started using the sun as a way to control Brian,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: as bitches will do be like, bitches be doing that. Yeah,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: he said that he would go to pick him up.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: She wouldn't let him. She'd call him out of the
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: blues like, hey, you're gonna come get him when it
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: wasn't his time. When it was his time, she'd withhold him.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Just basically happen with him. Now. As the years went on,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Brian was concerned for his son's safety because Kimberly was
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: a ratic and he wasn't sure what he could do.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: It's not like he can go without an incident. You
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: can't just go to the judge and say, how I
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: just want to redo custody because it could go either way.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: After you spend a shit ton of money.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and unless he has, you know, it seems like
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: it does take a lot, even if the child is
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: saying that something's happening. I don't feel like they take
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: the kids, you know, because they could be or they
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: could be one of them could be manipulated by the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: other parent and everything that. So he doesn't have any actual.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Dad gives me chocolate after dinner. Mom done.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm gonna go. Yeah. So they don't know which,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: you know, I guess they have to kind of determine
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: whether the if he would have to go one to
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: go down that whole route of his son now being
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: interviewed by like CPS things like that, which is probably
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: traumatizing in and of itself.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Well, then there's Kim. So one day Kim decides to
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: snap and she attacks.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Decides to snap. Well, she made a decision.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: And know what was that thing you said the other day?
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: That was, I don't know what I'm going to do
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: with this, but I have plans for it.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, you think for I made a video about my
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Goodwill purchases and I.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Said, I don't know why I bought this ball, but
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I have plans for it.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: I said, I don't know why I bought this ball.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure what I'm doing with it. And then
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I turned around and said, but it was a good deal.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: But I have plates. No, I don't. I don't know
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: what my plans are, but they will. They're there, They're
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: floating in the universe.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Kim deciding to snap a sarcas.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, that this cat just busted up into
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: this room and scared this shit out of me. I
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: swear to god, I thought we.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: We're going to be on an episode of a true
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: crime podcast.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, we got to go handle Jinks because he's crying.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, So Kim snaps and she attacks the eleven year
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: old kid. So we've gone eleven years now from the
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: time that he was like, effet, I'm out of here
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: to this point in time. Now. What she actually does
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: is she takes a belt and she slips it over
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: his neck with the belt through the buckle part and
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: just starts pulling on it, choking the kid from behind,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: and he's like blacking out and he finally gets away,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: tells his dad about it. Brian's like what the hell.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: He calls CPS. They have physical evidence. He's got bruising
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: on his arm, bruising on his necks from where she
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: attacked him, and the judge finally gives Brian full custody
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: of his son, but in the infinite wisdom of the judge,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: they give Kim unsupervised visitation.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: How is that?
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Even I don't understand. This is what I feel like.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: This is one of these judges, the way that they're
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: letting her because remember she lost custody with the previous one.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: But this judge seems to be like one of these
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: that no matter what the mother does, we're just going
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: to side with the mother. Yeah, because there is no
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: way in hell they would give a dad unsupervised visitation
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: if he choked out one of his children. There's no,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: absolutely no way.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: No, you're going to get a supervised vegetation at a
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: facility or somebody's got to be there or something. Yes,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: So Brian's worrying for his son every time he had
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: to drop him off with Kim. In the meantime, in
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: the interim, Brian somehow has time to meet another woman
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: and gets remarried again for the third time.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: This is the love of his life, he says, which
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I yes, which I think I think you would know, Stu.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: What next time? No, No, this time is the charm.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Kim just gave up on men altogether. I mean, actually no,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: she didn't. She got in another relationship, got her another sucker,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: had another child, and then ended up getting divorced or
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: on our way to divorce, and in a custody battle
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: with that fella as well.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're on rinse and repeat. At this point,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: we're just literally the same story, different chapter, We're not.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: She does the same thing, and I can't believe these
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: guys keep falling for this. I guess she maintains it
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: under the wraps for but she was crazy with Brian
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: right off from the beginning, I feel like, and he
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: just shows.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Him like he was a little excited about it.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I know he was. She must pick a certain type
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: of guy that's gonna fall for this. You know.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Well, she didn't throw the hammer at their head until
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: they're already married.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Well, she's already had the baby.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's just got them on lock down with
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: the rain, got the baby out, and then she chucks
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: the hand were at him, and it's like, oh shit,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: what did I do?
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Brian is now not the only person that
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Kim was trying to make miserable. So she has, you know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: her first ex she has her next ex, and then
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: now she has her new ex husband and custody battle
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: to focus on.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: She's got a lot of shit to spread around, a
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: lot of hatred to spread around. So not everybody's feeling
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: the full brunt of it.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Yes they are still concerned, but they're not feeling it
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: full force. Now she's going through the custody battle. She
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: had primary custody of their child, which I can't believe. Again,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: why are we not referencing the other situations.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: But maybe the fellow didn't know, or maybe he was
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: more fucked up than she was.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Somehow I doubt it. So she needed to find a
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: babysitter for the four year old while she was at work,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: because she did go in to school and become a
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: registered nurse. She actually did go get a job. At
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: some points, I can't.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Imagine being land in the hospital room and she rolls
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so a friend mentioned a woman named Walker who
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: might be able to help. Cherry was a thirty nine
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: year old woman that was mentally operating at a sixth
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: grade level, but she was capable of watching, you know,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: a child for a short period of time to make
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: some money.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, she actually lived by herself.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she lived on her own everything, So she was
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: she she was capable. She just but she did have
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: she did have to have an aid that would stop
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: by the house daily. But she was independent and she
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: was capable of taking care of a child. Now, Kim
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: quickly took advantage of Cherry because she was, you know, mentally,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: you know, operating at that sixth grade level. And so
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: she this is like prime picking for all crazy Kim
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: over here. So she starts leaving with her son with
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Cherry for days at a time, not paying her, not
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: leaving any food. Cherry was on a fixed income, so
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: she would often have to just not eat so that
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: the child could eat. Like she was a really nice
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: lady and she she but she didn't understand the full
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: capacity of what this woman was was doing. So this
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: aid is still stopping by at this time, but they
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: didn't really go into that dynamic. But I'm guessing the
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: aid she is an independent adult, so I mean, there's
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: only so much the aid can do. She can come
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: by and see. But if Cherry says it's okay with
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: the son, that she leaves the sun with me for
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: several days and she's okay with it, she's an adult,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: and there's only so much I would say.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I got it.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So what Kim was doing with the child, dropping
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: him off and everything like that and leaving him for
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: days on end got back to the ex husband because
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Cherry did eventually stop watching the child, and then the
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: ex husband found out about it. They're going through this
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: custody battle. So Cherry is actually subpoenaed to testify about
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Kim's treatment of the child, the dropping him off, not
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: leaving food, just her general behavior.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Now, how long have you left her? How long was
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: she leaving the child with you? And blah blah blah.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Cherry was like, oh shit, Yeah, she's in
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: a She's like, oh shit.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I'm about to get about it's the third child.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which I don't understand. She doesn't, but I do
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: understand though she doesn't care about these children. She cares
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: about the power that these children hold over these men,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: is what she cared. She could care less about the kids, obviously,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: not care less. Could not care less, you know, stud.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Say, child support and the power.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, I think she mainly she really enjoys she gets
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: off on that power trip that she gets.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I'm sure she wanted the cash too.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: On June eighteenth, twenty ten, I may sixty days before
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Karen Stuart met Kim twenty ten for the History Books,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Kim began frantically calling Cherry and she called her seventy
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: times in one day. She is also frantically calling Brian
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: and he let it go to boysmail. She left a
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: message asking if he had been subpoena and what he
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: was going to say. Now. Brian didn't think much of this,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: and he went about his weekend like whatever.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he was actually in the car with his
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: you know, new wife, and they were headed off for
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: a weekend together. So he's like, I cannot I cannot
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: deal it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: I love making, okay.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I cannot deal with this crazy right now. Center to voicemail.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not today, Satan you know.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be terrible. He'd be talking her on the phone.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Drive off the road, die because your ex wife is
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: calling you. You know what I'm saying, No, I don't.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Can you relate?
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: No? I cannot Okay, I did not die. On June nineteenth,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: a pizza delivery guy came upon a body on the
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: side of the road in White House, Texas. Police arrive
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: at the scene and find a badly charred body. They
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: assess the crime scene and see that there is an
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: unburned coffee creamer on the ground by the body, one
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: of the little ones you get at the gas station
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: or at the hotel or whatever.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I used to drink the little creamers
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: at the luby. We used to go to Luby's for
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Sunday or whatever, and they used to have those creamers.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: You'd drink the half and half right out of the
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: little content. Oh.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I used to drink those things. Yep, that was my fate. Yes, Stuart,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I still remember doing that, and it was they were
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: so good. That's wrong with me? It might be I
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe, well, because I'm an adult, I'm like,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't drink half and half creamers, you know,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: at a table at a restaurant. That's inappropriate. Maybe I should,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: But I can get the kids to do it.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Stop it. The body was unidentifiable due to the state
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: of the victim. They put out information to the public
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: to see if they can find out who this might be.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: If there's anybody who's got somebody missing, they ain't seeing
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: it in a while. They can't find them Meanwhile, a
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: pastor and his wife Gethrie and run Walker had contacted
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: police because they had not heard from their daughter in
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: more than twenty four hours, Cherry or They're saying that
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: their daughter is normally in contact with them multiple times
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: a day. Police tell them about a body that was found.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: They're in the worst. They head to the police station
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: and through dental records, they discover that it was their daughter, Cherry.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Now, while this is going on, Brian is contacted by
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Kim's mother.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Even Kim's mother no bitch is crazy.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, telling him that she believes that Kim may have
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: had something to do with Cherry and is worried for
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Brian and Jamie's safety. They decided to go into hiding
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: until they can find the police, can find Kim and everything,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: because this could be an escalation. She's just gone off
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: the rails, you know when they could be next.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, they're in the show. Yeah, Brian says this. He's like, yeah,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: me and Jamie had to go on hiding for her safety.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: He didn't mention the new wife things like, I mean
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: she had to bring her with her too.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I don't know. She seems to really just
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: focus on the men and the children. I don't she
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have any crazy behavior whenever they move on.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. If they can't find them, maybe
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I'll just get her.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Well anyways, well she might he might have went with them.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: She might have went. Maybe she was I don't know
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: mention it.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: So I'm just curious.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we did note that that they didn't say that
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: the whole family went into hiding, just Brian and Jamie.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: So please go to Cherry's apartment and they find messages
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: on her answering machine from a woman that sounded a
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: bit frantic. They play the voicemail for the AID and
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: she immediately identifies the voice as coming from Kim. Now,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: the AID was worried for Cherry. She had confided in
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: her that Kim was upset about the subpoena because the
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: AID stops by every day, so she'd stop by that day.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Cherry's talking to her about it, and Cherry told the
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: AID that Kim wanted to take her to dinner that night. Well,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: they say it's like, hey, Cherry, don't just stay away
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: from this woman. Lock your door, don't go to dinner,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: don't talk to her, and that I'll see you in
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: the morning and we'll we can go we'll talk this
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: out and everything at that, but just just lock your
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: door and don't go anywhere with Kim.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: So this is all the aide's fault. The aide should
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: have called her parents and like, hey, this crazy bitch
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: is calling your daughter. She wants to take it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they called the parents, though.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: They know the aid did not call the parents or
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: would have came over. They would have came over. So
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: this AA should have called the parent.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: She should have been a little more proactive. Yes, proactive,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: and maybe maybe she felt it was inappropriate, but she
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: should have just called the parents been saying, hey, there's
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: an issue with this crazy Kim lady.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: M hmm.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that ends up being the aid was actually
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: the last person besides the person who did it. Cherry Alive.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Police call to Kim's house and she refuses to speak
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: them to them without a lawyer present, and she will
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: not let them search the home without a warrant. They leave.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: But the good decision Kim, though, just saying is don't
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: let police just come in your house start looking for shit.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: You better come even me if I was you need
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: to have a search warrant. I ain't gonna let you
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: just stop through my house. Have you seen after the
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: search warrants? Now they tear up your house and they don't.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Put anything, just yank drawers out, dump on flipping. No,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I don't give two shoes.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: You're not coming in and destroying my house. You better
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: have a judge sign off on that exactly.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: And no, I'm not going to do a light detector test.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: No, definitely don't do a light detector test.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Police leave, but they keep an eye on Kim while
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: they work to get the search warrant signed. Kim leaves
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: her house because she's frantic. Yeah.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: I don't even think they had to keep much of
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: an eye on her. I think they were literally sparked
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: down the block trying to call the judge to get
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: the search warm in.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: This bitch, this sting dong. She just like leaves the house.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: She's frantically driving. She runs a stop sign, so now
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: she's given them probable cause to pull her over, which
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: they do, and they see one of those exact coffee
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: creamers that was found at the crime scene on the
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: floorboard in her car. With probable cause, they seize her car.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: They take it in to be processed. With a search
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: warrant in hand. They had to cat house when they
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: enter the home, it's disgusting. There's food everywhere. This isn't
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: like messy people. This isn't like dirty laundry.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: This is like hoarders.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is she's horders. Like she's not horder, but
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: maybe the beginning of a horder. This has got just
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: empty food containers and plates and just grosser.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Trash, just everything all over. Just the bed she was
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: sleeping in was just trashed in the.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Mad months since the sheets have been washed. It's ever
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: laundry is completely piled up in the laundry room.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and she had a four year old son
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: like living there with her in this filth.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, So this house is disgusting. Everything is just like
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: you don't want to touch it unless you got gloves on.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: But there is one item in the washing machine.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: And I haven't done a laundry in a year, but
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: there's one item.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: There's a Yes, there's a sheet. They take it in
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: for processing. Other items they were able to cut to
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: cut connect to the crime scene where tire marks on
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: the dirt road that match those on Kim's car. They
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: were identical, identical, the coffee Cramer little capsule, and the
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: fact that she had picked up Cherry for dinner the
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: night before yeap. So all these things lead them to
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: believe that she did this. Kim is their primary suspect.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So on July thirty first, twenty ten, Kim was
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: charged with capital murder and they were going after the
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: death penalties.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Do because that's what I'm talking about.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: This was just terrible. This is the woman that was
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: that was okay uh, This was a woman that had,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: you know, mentally disabled things like that, and she's taken
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: advantage of her and then on top of it, kills
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: her to try to protect herself. They believe that Kim.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: This is what they've had to surmise from because again
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: the body was burned very badly to where it was
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: hard to get any type.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, there was an accelerant use then, so all the
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: physical evidence on the body was destroyed.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: And the manner of death and everything. So they believe
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: that Kim strangled Cherry, wrapped her in that sheet that
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: she had in the washing machine, then dragged her to
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: her car and drove her out to dispose of and
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: then burned the body to cover it up now. During
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the trial, Kim argued this was their the defense's argument. Yes,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Kim argued that Cherriot had a seizure while she was
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: driving to dinner with her and she couldn't save her.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: She had a seizure, couldn't save her. Keep in mind,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Kim is a nurse, So I mean, yeah, So this
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: is what where we're going to go with is that
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: she was afraid she was going to be accused of
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: the murder, so she tried to well accused of that
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: she died under her watch and that Kim was going
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: to be blamed for it. So but if she had
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: a seizure, then you could if this were in fact
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: trick and passed away from that. So it's all bullshit.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I can't believe it. Defense attorney even.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Was like, we're hi, Kim, there's a bunch of I'm
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: still I can't Yeah, I can't believe some of the
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: defenses attorneys use.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Defenses attorneys use yes, yeah, defense attorneys, defenses attorneys use yes. Yes.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I got what she said because it sounded like defense
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: attorneys use yes.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Anyways, Yes, it sounded like that, and then I was
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: repeating it back to hear it in my head and anyways,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: but yes, this is what this is the best they
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: could do. All the evidence was pointing to her, this
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: is the best they could come up with. Well, it
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: did not work. They the jury did not buy it,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: and on May twenty twelve, she was found guilty and
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: the jury did recommend the death penalty. Now currently though
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Kim is still sitting on death row, she's I mean
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: that's been We're thirteen years almost. That's just freaking just
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: do it already.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, get all sparky
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: fired up, let's go.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's lethal injection at this point.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: That's a good thing. I'm not in charge of the
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: death penalty stuff because everybody knows this. Listeners for a while.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: I'm all about it.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, you're all about it.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: We know. And if we can get the chair going
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: or the fire and squad. They got the fire and
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: squad up in Utah.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Anyways, this is just this was a kind of a
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: kookie story with Brian and Kim and everything like that.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: But it's just we weren't sure. Whenever you start the episode,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: you're not sure where it's going to go. And I
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my God, is she going to kill
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the like where I was afraid she's going to kill
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: like the child or something. Yeah, but it's just I mean,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: she's just a terrible person.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Of all the people that she did, they always kill
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: somebody in these things? Are they? Sometimes they're just crazy.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: And I think they always kill somebody? Yeah? Uh no,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: sometimes it's not. One of the ones was the lady
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: found out her husband was like this a rapist that's
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: been large for you know, years that they've been trying
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: to find she found out that's who.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we were watching that one on the guy
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: trying to hang his wife to get rid of her,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: but he failed.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I remember that he felt. Anyways, my point was is
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: that of all the people that Kim's gone through her
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: whole entire life just being a terrible person, just terrible mother,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: all these ex husbands and everything, and this poor lady
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: is the one that ultimately she's already seen me.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what access she asked to
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: other presidents in gin pop and where she's at if
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: she does, Oh.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: She's running a she's running a block. I can tell
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: you that she's.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Hey, girl, let me get your commissary. Yeah, I'll give
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: you a little something, give me some commissary.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyways, all right, well that's our episode for
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: this week. STU, do you have a y'all need Jesus?
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I always have a y'all need Jesus.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: He doesn't actually have one now, but we're going to
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: go find one.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: I got it, you have it, I got it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, whip it out, Jesus. What's wrong with you? Oh
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: my god? Okay, let's do this.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Woman accused of attacking man with a gardening tool after
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: he canceled plans with her. According to police, was it
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: a hoe? It might have been. You were just I
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: saw you jump up when I said gardening. Told you're like, oh,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: this is my shot. This Florida or not Florida, Not Florida,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Florida woman oh Man Coming to us from Fox News
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: by Elizabeth Pritchett, published February seventeenth, A Florida woman is
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: behind bars after she allegedly attacked a man with a
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: garden hoe. Oh it was a ho for canceling. Ho
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: with a hoe for canceling plans? Whether the Polk County
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Sheriff's office said Melanie Davis, aged forty seven, girl, your
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: tool for the show. Had plans to hang out with
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: a man last week when he canceled on her, according
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: to Fox thirteen Tampa Bay. Upset by his decision, Davis
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: allegedly went to his home in Frostproof Frostproof, Florida at
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: around three am on a Tuesday night and began yelling
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: at him from outside.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Girl, you were too old to be shouting at people
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: on a Tuesday night at three am.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: This isn't even It would have been better at least
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: it was a Saturday or Friday. Tuesday.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just a random Tuesday. The alteredication escalated when Davis
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: climbed the fence to his property, pushed through a door,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: and began punching him. Investigator said, this girl is serious.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: At some point she grabbed the gardening tool and hit
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: him with it, which caused a serious cut on his arm.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: She grabbed the hoe, which was the house.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: The man was taken to the hospital while Davis was
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: taken to jail. She has charged with arm burglary with battery,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, simple battery, and criminal mischief.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: And hoe and around.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Davis has a long history with the Polk County Sheriff's office,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: dating back to nineteen ninety seven, when she was first
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: charged with battery at age nineteen years old.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Well, she just needs to be put away. We don't
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: not need this terroristic.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Anger management class, or she needs a sandwich.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Or something, or an exorcism.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Jail record show she has been arrested in Polk County
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: twenty seven times prior to last week's incident. Her previous
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: charges ranged from petty theft to battery causing serious injury.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: The last time she was booked into Polk County jail
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: was in March twenty twenty four, when she was charged
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: with domestic pop isolence on a person over the age
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: of sixty five.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's extra charges for the elderly.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Well, she got out because that was March last year.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: This is ridiculous because at some point she's gonna escalate
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: it up to where she kills somebody. You know. It's
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: like that Kim lady we just talked about. It's gonna
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: she's gonna do it at some point. They need to
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: stop letting her out. They got all these people on
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: like petty petty, like drug charges and stuff sitting in there.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: I'm worried about this crazy bitch.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like twenty seven times domestic abuse and all
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: this other stuff. It's like the person I got for
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: their Yeah, we arrested him for a six d UI.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: It's like, why is this motherfucker stop driving?
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: These people need to be in jail, not to not
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: to because you had some some drugs, you know. Not
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: worried about you. I'm worried about the d w I
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: guy and crazy yeah or not? What her name wasn't Kim.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Melanie and Kim?
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Yes? All right, well that is our episode for the week.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: And yeah, check all the stuff I said at the
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: beginning and rate review, subscribe. I'm getting tired. I'm fading quickly, guys,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I'm fading. I gotta go to bed.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah you did?
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Stuart? What no go to sleep? Anyways?
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Well yeah yeah, yeah, alright, well shoot, what do we say?
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Anything else you'd like to say? Stoo?
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: I would not?
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, bye, everyone say bye.
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