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The Kenny Report | 4 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to another week here on the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Tonight, Labour's crazy budget lies swallowed by the media and
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  Speaker 3: too many voters. They claim to be fighting for the young,
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  Speaker 3: but it's the young who'll pay the price. A harrowing
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  Speaker 3: first day of public evidence at the Royal Commission in
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  Speaker 3: the wake of the Bond Eyed terror attack. Jewish Australians
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  Speaker 3: tell us about the threats and abuse they still endure.
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  Speaker 1: I'll catch up with a novice one Nation politician.
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  Speaker 3: Are they about to win a seat in the Federal
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  Speaker 3: lower House for the very first time? All that plus
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  Speaker 3: Sophie's Worth in London and gem and Tone Uni and
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  Speaker 3: Caroline Russo on the big stories, as well as the
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  Speaker 3: Green senator posting his drug test.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: The Federal budget is just eight days away and I
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  Speaker 3: can tell you here right now what it will be
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  Speaker 3: all about.
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  Speaker 1: It will be all about spin and politics.
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  Speaker 3: The economy will suffer, Australians will suffer in the medium
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  Speaker 3: and long term because Anthony Albanisi and Jim Charmers only
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  Speaker 3: care about political fixes. They just have no grasp of
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  Speaker 3: the economics and no idea about how to build a
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  Speaker 3: prosperous and secure future for young Australians. They don't want
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  Speaker 3: to produce jobs, they want to win votes. They want
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  Speaker 3: to protect their own jobs. Their approach is truly Orwellian.
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  Speaker 3: You know, war is peace, freedom is slavery. Ignorance, ignorance
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  Speaker 3: is strength. That it's their approach as they deny reality
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  Speaker 3: to spin for votes, and ignorance is their strength actually,
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  Speaker 3: as they spew forth nonsense through millimeter deep social media
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  Speaker 3: and a largely gormless national press gallery. Look at this
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  Speaker 3: set piece dross from yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for time, Thanks good to be with a year
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  Speaker 4: on from Labour's landslide victory, the Prime Minister takes a
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  Speaker 4: stroll and take stock with gen Z and millennials in mind.
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  Speaker 4: The government set to overhaul the property tax breaks, encouraging
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  Speaker 4: investors into the market.
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  Speaker 5: The truth is that young people feel like they're not
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  Speaker 5: getting a fair crack.
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  Speaker 3: At the moment, the PM summons the media for a
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  Speaker 3: walk around the lake. He tells them the political line
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  Speaker 3: he wants to run, all to soften up the media
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  Speaker 3: and the public for a broken election. Promise about not
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  Speaker 3: changing negative gearing arrangements.
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  Speaker 6: Remember this categorically negative gearing is off the table.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's off the table.
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  Speaker 1: Ah.
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  Speaker 3: But fast forward to a year after the election, when
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  Speaker 3: labor is running out of your money to spend, and
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  Speaker 3: the PM summons the media one by one so they
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  Speaker 3: can all run the same labor spiel about putting it
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  Speaker 3: back on the table. All reported independently, they would say,
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  Speaker 3: but all wittingly or unwittingly, just cogs in the Albanezy
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  Speaker 3: government spin machine.
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  Speaker 5: One of the things that young people say to me,
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  Speaker 5: but also importantly parents and grandparents. They'll say, I'm really
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  Speaker 5: worried that, particularly older restraints worry about the grand kits.
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  Speaker 5: One of those key principles is that everyone should get
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  Speaker 5: a fair crack at advancing in their living stands in life,
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  Speaker 5: and young people at the moment feel like they don't
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  Speaker 5: have a fair crack at the housing market.
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  Speaker 1: It becomes about integrity, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, why would people believe a promise given on
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  Speaker 7: an election campaign.
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  Speaker 5: What you'll see in the budget is a range of
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  Speaker 5: measures that are consistent with the values that we took
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  Speaker 5: to the election.
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  Speaker 3: All sweetness and light on the shores of Lake Bodley Griffin,
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  Speaker 3: isn't it. I'd like to see him do that around
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  Speaker 3: some of the suburbs I know and its values.
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  Speaker 1: He took the election. He took to the election.
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  Speaker 3: Notice that he didn't promise stuff, He just promised values. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: well I remember some of those values. One of them
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  Speaker 3: was two hundred and seventy five dollars off our annual
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  Speaker 3: electricity bills, when in fact they've gone up by three
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  Speaker 3: times that or what the value of investing in housing
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  Speaker 3: didn't He promise to protect that value too, but that
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  Speaker 3: will be.
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  Speaker 1: Cut in the budget. We're told, Oh, I get it.
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  Speaker 3: The values he's talking about are Labor party values. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: he promised labor values, that is, whatever labor can do
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  Speaker 3: to win power and keep it. And our old mate
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  Speaker 3: Richo taught us all about those values. They are described
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  Speaker 3: very simply by him as whatever it takes. And so
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  Speaker 3: this year's spin is that labor is taxing some people
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  Speaker 3: more to help younger Australians. It's going to increase taxes
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  Speaker 3: on people who already building their lives and pretend that
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  Speaker 3: this will help young people to build their lives. It
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  Speaker 3: is a lie, it is economically self defeating, but it
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  Speaker 3: is a political line. They will run feverishly on social
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  Speaker 3: media right through next week.
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  Speaker 6: We recognize and respect the really big contribution that older
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  Speaker 6: Australians have made and continue to make to our country
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  Speaker 6: and to our economy. But a lot of Australians, and
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  Speaker 6: particularly younger Australians, are finding it really difficult to get
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  Speaker 6: into the housing market.
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  Speaker 3: Sure they are because you've made everything from labor to materials,
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  Speaker 3: from electricity to approvals more complicated and more expensive. And
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  Speaker 3: because you've brought in record numbers of immigrants. Yeah, that's right,
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  Speaker 3: during a housing crisis, you've brought in millions more migrants
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  Speaker 3: to boost demand for housing. So now Labour will increase
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  Speaker 3: the taxes on how investment. Forget the jargon about you know,
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  Speaker 3: cutting capital gains, tax discounts or limiting negative gearing arrangements.
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  Speaker 3: In short, these changes just increase taxes on housing investments.
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  Speaker 1: That means two things.
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  Speaker 3: Rents will go up, so those young people who are
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  Speaker 3: struggling to get into the housing market now will have
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  Speaker 3: to pay higher rents while they try to save. And
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  Speaker 3: it will reduce investment in housing, so there'll be less
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  Speaker 3: supply and therefore housing prices will continue to rise. It
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  Speaker 3: is economic madness, which is why Labour tried at once
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  Speaker 3: decades ago when Treasurer Jim Charmer's hero Paul Keating was Treasurer.
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  Speaker 3: But Keating had to scrap those changes less than two
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  Speaker 3: years later because of those obvious unintended consequences. It's madness
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  Speaker 3: for labor to do this to our housing sector again.
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  Speaker 1: But here we go.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently it's all for the young'uns, only they are the
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  Speaker 3: ones who will suffer most. I'll come back to that
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  Speaker 3: in just a moment, because i want to show you
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  Speaker 3: how normal language just doesn't matter anymore to these people.
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  Speaker 3: Their lies are so blatant that their words do not
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  Speaker 3: make any sense.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this from today.
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  Speaker 6: What you will see in the budget is, in gross terms,
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  Speaker 6: there will be more dollars in savings than dollars in
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  Speaker 6: revenue upgrades. There will also be more dollars in savings
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  Speaker 6: than dollars in tax reform. In the May budget, we
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  Speaker 6: will include bigger than usual gross savings than in previous updates.
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  Speaker 4: It'll build on the one hundred and fourteen billion dollars
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  Speaker 4: delivered to.
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  Speaker 3: Date, more money saved in the budget than raised in
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  Speaker 3: new tax grabs, more savings on top of the one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and fourteen billion dollars already say this is absolute
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  Speaker 3: balder dash. As I've shown you before, When the Finance
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  Speaker 3: Minister ran that line and sent it estimates, she was
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  Speaker 3: forced to admit there were no net savings. In other words,
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  Speaker 3: what she was claiming as one hundred and fourteen billion
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  Speaker 3: dollars worth of savings was just money shifted from one
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  Speaker 3: area of spending to another. And yet Labor keeps up
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  Speaker 3: with this spin, these outright lies about spending, restraint, savings
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  Speaker 3: and responsible budgets. Let's go to their own budget papers,
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  Speaker 3: their own numbers, and check out my favorite part of
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  Speaker 3: budget paper on the historical data, and it shows us
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  Speaker 3: year on year how much the federal government has spent,
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  Speaker 3: and every year Labor has been in power, spending has
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  Speaker 3: increased by tens of billions of dollars by about one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty dollars a year since they were elected,
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  Speaker 3: and not just in dollars spent, but as a share
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  Speaker 3: of the economy. Spending has grown from less than twenty
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  Speaker 3: five percent of GDP to over twenty seven percent, which
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  Speaker 3: means this government has delivered no savings.
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  Speaker 1: It has continued to.
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  Speaker 3: Tax and spend at record levels, and debt has gone
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  Speaker 3: up to unprecedented levels, now topping one trillion dollars one
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  Speaker 3: thousand billion dollars.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the rub.
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  Speaker 3: Remember this mob are trying to spin to young Australians
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  Speaker 3: that they are on the side of the young. They
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  Speaker 3: are fixing the economy for the young. The diametric opposite
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  Speaker 3: is true. All of Labour's record debt is just deferred
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  Speaker 3: taxation for the young. Labour's thousand billion dollars of debt
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  Speaker 3: will have to be repaid in coming decades by young Australians.
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  Speaker 3: Labour is racking up that debt now to buy their votes,
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  Speaker 3: and then they'll have to pay for it. It's a
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  Speaker 3: dodgy brother's scam. The young should not be stupid enough
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  Speaker 3: to fall for it, but of course many of them
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  Speaker 3: get their news from TikTok and Instagram and the ABC.
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  Speaker 3: They might be falled into voting for their own demise.
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  Speaker 3: It is the young who will pay Labour's higher rents
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  Speaker 3: and higher house prices. It is the young who will
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  Speaker 3: be locked into a slow economy, burdened by union rules
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  Speaker 3: and work from home mentality that undermines national productivity growth.
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  Speaker 1: It's the young who will carry the burden of.
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  Speaker 3: Record electricity prices, adding to their cost of living and
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  Speaker 3: undercutting the economy. Power prices that will only go higher
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  Speaker 3: still on the back of Labour's renewables experiment, and it's
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  Speaker 3: the young who will have to repay Labour's debt, which
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  Speaker 3: has been chalked up now through a range of policies
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  Speaker 3: that Labour claims will help the young get ahead. Labor
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  Speaker 3: masquerades as the friend of the young, but it is
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  Speaker 3: their worst enemy. Sadly, many of them might not work
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  Speaker 3: that out until they were no longer young, and it
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  Speaker 3: is all too late. The Royal Commission into the Bondai
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  Speaker 3: Islamus terrorist attack and the rise of anti Semitism in
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  Speaker 3: this country began public hearings today. We heard some context
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  Speaker 3: from the commissioner.
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  Speaker 8: The sharp spike in antisemitism that we've witnessed in Australia
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  Speaker 8: has been mirrored in other Western countries and seems clearly
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  Speaker 8: linked to events in the Middle East. It's important that
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  Speaker 8: people understand how quickly those events can prompt ugly displays
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  Speaker 8: of hostility towards Jewish Australians simply because they're Jews.
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  Speaker 3: But it was members of the public we needed to
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  Speaker 3: hear from first up, and this is already harrowing stuff.
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  Speaker 1: SHANEA.
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  Speaker 3: Gutnick's father was shot dead in that Bondai massacre, yet
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  Speaker 3: still since then she's been targeted by death threats and abuse.
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  Speaker 9: Many messages don't affect me personally, However, the ones where
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  Speaker 9: my own life should have been taken up Bondai that
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  Speaker 9: did feel like a real sucker punch in the gut,
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  Speaker 9: and that unfortunately paints the real picture of what we
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  Speaker 9: live with. The comments on a daily that will have
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  Speaker 9: to explain to my children that someone doesn't like you
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  Speaker 9: simply for the reason that you are Jewish.
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  Speaker 3: Now, thankfully, also Alex Rivchin, who you know well from
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  Speaker 3: this program, well he told the Commission and the country
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  Speaker 3: about what it must deal with. That is that many,
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  Speaker 3: many warnings, many please and calls for action were ignored
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  Speaker 3: repeatedly in the months and years before the Bondai atrocity.
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  Speaker 10: And I addressed the media and I said that there's
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  Speaker 10: an evil work in this country and that's through and
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  Speaker 10: later we're going to wake up and someone's going to
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  Speaker 10: be dead. And this was January, and by December on
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  Speaker 10: that same road three kilometers down, I know it's three
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  Speaker 10: kilomes says to jog it frequently into Bonda Beach. On
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  Speaker 10: that same road there was a horrific massacre which has
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  Speaker 10: transformed as permanently.
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  Speaker 3: Richard has been a victim of graffiti attacks at his
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  Speaker 3: former home and he spoke about how his own children
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  Speaker 3: are living with the fear of these attacks. It's just
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  Speaker 3: traumatic stuff. Australian children should never have to live like this.
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  Speaker 3: A number of witnesses throughout this inquiry will be anonymous
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  Speaker 3: to the public. This is understandable, but it's also an indictment.
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  Speaker 3: It shows how vulnerable Jewish Australians feel in their own country,
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  Speaker 3: in the here and.
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  Speaker 11: Now, precisely what we're seeing in Australia now. We saw
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  Speaker 11: in the UK many many years ago the rise of
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  Speaker 11: anti Semitism, radical Islam. Police doing nothing, government doing nothing.
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  Speaker 11: We really didn't want to raise Jewish children in that environment.
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  Speaker 11: We could see where it was going.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: My view, my view very strongly based on all of
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  Speaker 3: the evidence that we've been over in detail on this
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  Speaker 3: program for two and a half years now, and that
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  Speaker 3: is that our government has been negligent. In fact, it's
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  Speaker 3: inflamed due hatred by demonizing Israel, and it has abandoned
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  Speaker 3: Jewish Australians. Let's hope the Royal Commission has the courage
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  Speaker 3: to detail this disgraceful lack of leadership. Just before we
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  Speaker 3: talk more about the Royal Commission, let me show you
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  Speaker 3: something from London. In the wake of the shocking target
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  Speaker 3: stebbing of two Jewish men in the suburb of Golders
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  Speaker 3: Green last week. I want to show you some comments
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  Speaker 3: from a British rabbi and high school teacher a couple
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  Speaker 3: of days after the attack. He just returned from taking
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  Speaker 3: British kids to Auswitz. While they were at that death camp,
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  Speaker 3: he got the news from London.
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  Speaker 1: Ever, listen and out.
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  Speaker 12: Of respect, I step outside the barracks and I'm in Auschwitz.
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  Speaker 12: And I want people to understand this because sometimes in
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  Speaker 12: numbers we miss the personal narrative. Everyone's got family WhatsApp group.
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  Speaker 12: As a Jew, I go on to my family WhatsApp
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  Speaker 12: group and I ask, are you okay? Are my family
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  Speaker 12: still alive? I get pictures and videos.
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  Speaker 1: From the community.
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  Speaker 12: I zoom in at the bodies, the legs, the clothes
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  Speaker 12: that can be seen to try and identify its that
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  Speaker 12: my own family and every single Jew in our community
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  Speaker 12: did that yesterday. I then have to take a group
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  Speaker 12: of forty teenagers in Auschwitz outside the gas chambers, sit
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  Speaker 12: them down, explain to them what's happened in their community,
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  Speaker 12: and say you might need to check on your parents
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  Speaker 12: just to see.
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  Speaker 13: If they're okay.
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  Speaker 12: And people need to see the connection between these two.
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  Speaker 1: Things, telling and sickening stuff, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: Jewish families in the UK and in Australia in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty six are having the same conversations that Jews had
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  Speaker 3: in Germany and Poland in the nineteen thirties. Let me
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  Speaker 3: bring in Joel Bernie, who's the executive manager of the
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  Speaker 3: Australia Israel and Jewish Affairs Council.
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  Speaker 1: Good to catch up with you again, Joel.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to talk about this Royal Commission, the public
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  Speaker 3: hearings happening today.
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  Speaker 1: Now, these are.
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  Speaker 3: Issues that you and I and all the viewers of
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  Speaker 3: this program have discussed at length and in detail over
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  Speaker 3: more than two years. But it was so important to
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  Speaker 3: see through this commission some of the reality of the
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  Speaker 3: life for Jewish Australians and also the points about warnings ignored.
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  Speaker 3: All of that put on the record before the Royal Commission.
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  Speaker 14: Well, thank you for having me, Chris. And again, what
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  Speaker 14: a harrowing day was having to hear testimony for a
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  Speaker 14: number of just regular Australians and the impact of their
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  Speaker 14: lives with the explosion of anti Semitism that we've experienced
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  Speaker 14: over the past couple of years in Australia. And I
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  Speaker 14: was so struck by you know, Peter hallis a Holocaust survivor,
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  Speaker 14: and then hearing hearing our mate Alex. You know, both
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  Speaker 14: families fled a Jewish persecution. Peter's family survived the Holocaust
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  Speaker 14: and came to Australia for a better life. Alex's family
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  Speaker 14: were fleeing persecution in the former Soviet Union, where Jews
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  Speaker 14: were not able to live freely as Jews, and they
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  Speaker 14: came to this great nation of ours, this beautiful country
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  Speaker 14: where a fair go was for everybody and where everyone
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  Speaker 14: was allowed to be who they wanted to be. And
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  Speaker 14: we lived through a golden era as the Jewish community,
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  Speaker 14: as a diaspora Jewish community of prosperity and strength and
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  Speaker 14: integration and became just like you and me, just regular Assis.
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  Speaker 14: And now we have to hear these stories of this
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  Speaker 14: great impact on the lives of regular Australians. Whe're just
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  Speaker 14: going by their day by day. Something as simple as
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  Speaker 14: going to work or sending your kids to school has
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  Speaker 14: become a very difficult issue for many of us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so difficult.
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  Speaker 3: I want to explore that a bit more, but let's
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  Speaker 3: first have a listen to another one of another comment
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  Speaker 3: from one of the anonymous witnesses before the commission today.
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  Speaker 11: My family and I no longer want to live in Australia.
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  Speaker 11: We don't feel safe here, we don't feel welcome. We
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  Speaker 11: never expect synagogues to be burned down, We never expected
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  Speaker 11: Jews to be hunted on Bondai Beach. We really didn't
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  Speaker 11: expect this sort of thing in this country. This was
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  Speaker 11: the safest place in the world for Jews.
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  Speaker 3: Look, Joel, this fear now in Australia is palpable. You
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  Speaker 3: will know it more than I could express. But I've
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  Speaker 3: met with Jewish people in Melbourne and Sydney who have
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  Speaker 3: said they're actively contemplating leaving. In fact, one family I
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  Speaker 3: know has left had a young bloke in Melbourne, much
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  Speaker 3: younger than me, successful, smart bloke, asking me to give
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  Speaker 3: him the case for why, as a Jew he would
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  Speaker 3: have a safe and secure future in this country, asking
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  Speaker 3: me to convince him why it would be okay to stay.
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  Speaker 3: Give us your thoughts on well, give us what you
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  Speaker 3: know about how many Jewish Australians have actually left here
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  Speaker 3: because they believe they will actually be safer either in
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  Speaker 3: Israel or in the United States.
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  Speaker 14: So I've been asked this question a number of times
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  Speaker 14: over the past two and a half years, Chris, and
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  Speaker 14: unfortunately I've given a different answer depending on the period
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  Speaker 14: of time. So early on in the piece, when it
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  Speaker 14: became clear that things were going and miss and government
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  Speaker 14: wasn't really listening to us, a number of people raised
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  Speaker 14: concerns about how bad things could get. And let's not
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  Speaker 14: forget that, mainly in Melbourne, but also in Sydney. The
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  Speaker 14: foundation of our community is built on Holocaust survivors that
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  Speaker 14: were the first in our communities to read the rioting
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  Speaker 14: on the wall. So as we've progressed and things have
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  Speaker 14: got worse and culminated in the worst terror attack in
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  Speaker 14: Australia's history, killing fifteen people on the fourteenth of December
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  Speaker 14: last year, you would have to understand that many people
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  Speaker 14: in many Jewish Australians are contemplating whether or not. They
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  Speaker 14: can actually be free to practice their Judaism in a
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  Speaker 14: safe environment here in Australia. And if they choose to
• 20:34
  Speaker 14: be openly Jewish and embrace the customs that have been
• 20:38
  Speaker 14: the essence of our survival for at least three and
• 20:41
  Speaker 14: a half thousand years, many people will think about going elsewhere.
• 20:45
  Speaker 14: But I will end on this For anyone out there
• 20:47
  Speaker 14: that thinks that the pressure that it is exerted on
• 20:50
  Speaker 14: the Jewish community is going to make us disappear, and
• 20:52
  Speaker 14: is going to make us power, or remove our resilience,
• 20:55
  Speaker 14: or remove our desire to be keen and very very
• 21:00
  Speaker 14: big and impactful personalities in our beautiful nation of Australia,
• 21:04
  Speaker 14: think again. So, on the one hand, I completely understand
• 21:07
  Speaker 14: why people are looking at sanctuary elsewhere, but the majority
• 21:11
  Speaker 14: of our community wants to stay here because we are Australians, Chris,
• 21:14
  Speaker 14: We identify as Australians. We're proud of this nation, we
• 21:18
  Speaker 14: want to be a part of it and we will
• 21:19
  Speaker 14: fight until the end if we have to.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well said, job. But the other point here is
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: this is a battle and a threat for all Australians.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: There were non Jews killed at Bondai Beach There have been,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: of course non Jews killed in terrorist attacks in Australia
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: in the past, and dare I say it will or
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: certainly could be in the future. We need to understand
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: that the threat of Islamist terrorism is a fight for
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: all of us, both for our safety and for social
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: cohesion in this country.
• 21:46
  Speaker 14: Surely it's a critical point, Chris. And the fact is
• 21:50
  Speaker 14: that this Royal Commission is focusing on the trauma and
• 21:52
  Speaker 14: difficulties of the Jewish community. But this is a Royal
• 21:55
  Speaker 14: commission into Australia. This is a question as to what
• 21:58
  Speaker 14: Australia stands for and what it means to be Australian.
• 22:01
  Speaker 14: If you have a community, a minority community, that has
• 22:05
  Speaker 14: to find sanctuary elsewhere outside of our borders, something has
• 22:08
  Speaker 14: gone amiss in this country and so we must focus
• 22:12
  Speaker 14: and we must investigate on exactly what's gone wrong, the
• 22:15
  Speaker 14: triggers in society that have impacted social cohesion on such
• 22:20
  Speaker 14: a dramatic scale.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Because I can.
• 22:21
  Speaker 14: Tell you this, Chris, that even if all the Jews
• 22:24
  Speaker 14: will have to pack up.
• 22:25
  Speaker 15: Their bags and get out of this country, the toxin
• 22:28
  Speaker 15: that has permeated in this country that is attacking Jews
• 22:30
  Speaker 15: will not end at Jews, and you and I both
• 22:33
  Speaker 15: know this, So we as a nation need to understand
• 22:36
  Speaker 15: that this is a countrywide issue.
• 22:38
  Speaker 14: This is a national issue of national importance and if
• 22:41
  Speaker 14: we all want to get on the same track that
• 22:43
  Speaker 14: we all thought we were on, and that is as
• 22:46
  Speaker 14: a fair dink and fair go country that we all
• 22:48
  Speaker 14: embraced and we all loved. I think that we can
• 22:51
  Speaker 14: get there. I'm confident we can, but we need to
• 22:53
  Speaker 14: have a look at it and take a deep dive
• 22:55
  Speaker 14: into exactly what's gone wrong and then take it out
• 22:58
  Speaker 14: because it's a tumor that is really causing some significant
• 23:01
  Speaker 14: damage to a number of people and it's a great
• 23:03
  Speaker 14: country of ours.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Joe, really appreciate talking to you today. Joe.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Bernie there from Ajack the Australia Israel Jewish Affairs Council.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: I want to get to matters more domestic and political now,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: the economy, the budget, the alb and easy labor, government's
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: political spin, and I've going to cross to Zoey Mackenzie,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: the Shadow Assistant Minister for Employment and Industrial Relations.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: But pleasantly, it's not down an optical fiber or a
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: satellite dish she's in the studio with us. Good to
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: see Zoe.
• 23:31
  Speaker 16: It's nice to be here with you, Chris.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: It's good time.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Indeed, it must be the first time. Now I started
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: off talking about the budget.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I'm really quite head up about this.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I think this idea that labor are saying they're there
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: for younger Australians when how can increasing debt and increasing
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: rents be.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Anything that can help younger Australians. Yeah? Do you know
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: what was really interesting?
• 23:54
  Speaker 16: I was actually in this building early on today with
• 23:56
  Speaker 16: News Corp, demographers, experts in particular, and younger generations and
• 24:00
  Speaker 16: what they see and what they want, like you and me,
• 24:03
  Speaker 16: they want financial stability, they want a secure job, they
• 24:07
  Speaker 16: want eventually to own a home. But when this country
• 24:11
  Speaker 16: is careering towards a trillion dollars in public debt, fifty
• 24:15
  Speaker 16: thousand dollars per minute spent on interest alone, how on
• 24:20
  Speaker 16: earth are we meant to tell them that they're going
• 24:22
  Speaker 16: to have a better life. It's thirty five thousand dollars
• 24:24
  Speaker 16: of public debt per person. That's the intergenerational inequity that
• 24:30
  Speaker 16: we're leaving for them, debt for future generations to pay back.
• 24:34
  Speaker 16: You and I both worked for that government, the Howard
• 24:36
  Speaker 16: Castello government that got to know net debt. And I
• 24:39
  Speaker 16: remember that day like it was yesterday. See it into
• 24:42
  Speaker 16: my mind because it changed the conversation about what we
• 24:45
  Speaker 16: could do for Australians, how much we could spend, for example,
• 24:48
  Speaker 16: on vocational education. Scholarships are apprentices, toolkits are apprentices, Australian
• 24:53
  Speaker 16: technical colleges. Those were the things we could do because
• 24:56
  Speaker 16: we got to know net debt. With a trillion dollars debt,
• 24:59
  Speaker 16: how on earth is a young person meant to be
• 25:01
  Speaker 16: optimistic for the future.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: It's extraordin when you think of the turnaround.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Note because not only, of course, did Howard and Costello
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: managed to get rid of all the debt, but then
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Costello started the Future Fund. So we're sinking money away
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: to sort of pay down the expenses of the future.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: This is such an important message to get through to
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: young Australians, isn't it? For your budget arguments pre and
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: post budget arguments has to be around what they're saddling
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: young Australians with.
• 25:27
  Speaker 16: Do you also remember the Higher Education Endowment Fund And
• 25:29
  Speaker 16: so that was another Costello initiative that meant that the
• 25:33
  Speaker 16: perpetual needs for infrastructure spending, our universities would be handled.
• 25:37
  Speaker 16: No more future asks from the Australian government. Each should
• 25:41
  Speaker 16: have done that, and of course Rudd spent it all
• 25:43
  Speaker 16: in his first term.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Look the challenge for the coalition. First, you've got to
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: defeat these arguments. You've got all sorts of pressures on
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: the right with one nation and the rest of it.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: But even if you were to get into government certile
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: spending yep, and there are no big ticket items, a
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: lot of the debt would action in the past was
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: done through some privatizations of Toolster and Quantus and the like.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Can't you because's nothing else to sell?
• 26:06
  Speaker 17: Yep?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, how long is.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: It going to take this country, even with the best
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: economic management, to get back to a sustainable position.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I was interesting.
• 26:13
  Speaker 16: I had the conversation with some kids last week. I
• 26:14
  Speaker 16: was meeting with years eleven and twelve on my potential
• 26:17
  Speaker 16: amazing kids, telling them about that moment and what we
• 26:20
  Speaker 16: were able to do as a government, and then thinking
• 26:22
  Speaker 16: to myself, oh, can I ever hope to tell them
• 26:25
  Speaker 16: that this will happen in their lifetime because it's just
• 26:28
  Speaker 16: so much more debt than we had then, And I
• 26:32
  Speaker 16: think you pointed this out at the top of your show.
• 26:33
  Speaker 16: This kind of Allwellian speak where Jim borrows language from
• 26:38
  Speaker 16: Costello himself. Right, Dog Batty's responsible economic management and I'm
• 26:42
  Speaker 16: retiring debt and it's just CODs wallet because if you're
• 26:44
  Speaker 16: listen at.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: That, actually, I've got a clip here, have a listen
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: to this. So I picked this up from his press
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: conference this morning.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: Responsible economic management has been a hallmark of this government
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: and this budget will be our most responsible budget yet.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Responsible I think manager. It has been his hallmark.
• 27:02
  Speaker 16: This this is the responsible economic management. Right, watch that
• 27:05
  Speaker 16: for a minute, sixty six point.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Six billion for a minute on its way when well
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: it hit a trillion dollars in exactly.
• 27:12
  Speaker 16: It makes you feel slightly queasy that this is the
• 27:16
  Speaker 16: legacy of this government is leaving to future dinner.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Right, We'll keep talking about these issues and these policies
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: in coming weeks.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: But the state by election.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: In Victoria on the weekend and your your neck of
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: the woods, the Libs hanging on there seeing off one
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: nation effectively, does that give you some hope for the
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: future that you're starting that one.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Nation may have may have peaked or is that.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: All going to be lost next Saturday, I don't know,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: and they probably win a federal seat.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Look in the end, it.
• 27:43
  Speaker 16: Looks like one nation's picked up about twenty three, twenty four,
• 27:45
  Speaker 16: maybe even twenty five percent of the primary. But it
• 27:47
  Speaker 16: goes precisely to some of the things we are discussing today.
• 27:50
  Speaker 16: When when the prime minister promises people two hundred and
• 27:53
  Speaker 16: seventy five dollar reduction in their bills and they don't
• 27:56
  Speaker 16: get it. There are lots of things that this game
• 27:58
  Speaker 16: have told me. Why get extra taxes on assets in
• 28:00
  Speaker 16: terms of capital gains tax, you won't have any changes
• 28:02
  Speaker 16: to negative gearing, and then we'll we do like next
• 28:05
  Speaker 16: next term, right, pull out the old short and draw
• 28:08
  Speaker 16: and implement it all. Do you think do you think
• 28:11
  Speaker 16: people are unwise to sort of, you know, express a
• 28:13
  Speaker 16: view of a pox on your houses. I don't believe you.
• 28:16
  Speaker 16: I keep doing what you told me to do. I
• 28:17
  Speaker 16: work hard, I get a university education, I try and
• 28:20
  Speaker 16: get ahead, I get a big mortgage. I want to
• 28:22
  Speaker 16: help my kids, and I can't. People are frustrated with
• 28:25
  Speaker 16: us that the world that we promise them is not
• 28:28
  Speaker 16: a world that they're seeing. And this government, frankly is
• 28:31
  Speaker 16: doubling down on the betrayal, so we'll just get more
• 28:34
  Speaker 16: of a verdict that we haven't done a good enough job,
• 28:37
  Speaker 16: all of us. And that's what I've worked One Nation
• 28:39
  Speaker 16: boke down to.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so so. Lack of faith in the
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: major parties across the board and it's your job to
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: rebuild it in the coalition.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us in the studio, Zoe. I appreciate
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Darren McKenzie.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: There, who represents the seat of Flinders in Victoria.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: We're going to get to a break on the other
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: side of that.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Speaking about One Nation, I'm going to catch up with
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: a novice, a One Nation politician. Are they about to
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: win their first ever federal Lower House seat?
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: Now?
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: The Liberals saw off One Nation challenge in the Victorian
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: state by election over the weekend, as we were just saying,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: but this weekend's by election in the federal seat of
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Parah could see another first for Pauline Hanson's party.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: While she sat in the lower House.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: For a term, of course, elected under a Liberal banner,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: even though she'd been disindorsed, and Barnaby Joyce sits there
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: now having switched to One Nation.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: The party never has won a lower.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: House seat at an election in federal Parliament, and that
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: result seems highly likely in Farah, the by election triggered
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: by the resignation of former Liberal leader Susan Lee.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: So let's go to South.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Australia and catch up with one of the seven members
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: elected to for One Nation at its state election in March.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Carlos Quaremba won one of the three Upper House seats.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Carlos. How's a political life.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: As an MP? Treating you.
• 30:00
  Speaker 18: Well, it's been interesting. We only just had the declaration
• 30:03
  Speaker 18: of the vote this morning and we went down to
• 30:05
  Speaker 18: Parliament House. We are still waiting on staffing issues, computers,
• 30:12
  Speaker 18: just general things that I would have thought of parliamentary
• 30:14
  Speaker 18: would need considering. We're starting work tomorrow.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Well, you've got to be a significant part of the
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: opposition there, even though you won't be the official opposition.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: How do you rate the chances of David Farley, the
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: candidate federally in the New South Wales seat of Parah,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: looks very likely to be able to defeat the Liberals
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: in that seat. Given your experience, what happened in South
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Australia and the federal issues running what do you think
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: could see him get over the line.
• 30:46
  Speaker 18: I just think common sense policies, One Nation present and
• 30:49
  Speaker 18: a change from the UNI.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Party in the status quo.
• 30:53
  Speaker 18: The people of Fara tomorrow on the weekend will speak
• 30:55
  Speaker 18: and I think they'll speak loudly and we'll have a
• 30:57
  Speaker 18: new member of Parliament.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to that that happening.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: What are the key policy issues though, that you believe
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: are driving the One Nation vote.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Look, there's a lot of things.
• 31:10
  Speaker 18: I think, a disconnect from politics as usual. People are
• 31:14
  Speaker 18: feeling obviously the cost of living, fuel crisis that's going
• 31:18
  Speaker 18: on the fuel we're talking about fuel rationing potentially in
• 31:21
  Speaker 18: South Australia. Here, it just seems like there's no leadership.
• 31:25
  Speaker 18: There's a vacuum, there's no one actually running the country,
• 31:28
  Speaker 18: and the seams are coming apart, and One Nation is
• 31:31
  Speaker 18: providing that voice for average days Australians to re engage
• 31:34
  Speaker 18: with politics and take control again of their country and
• 31:38
  Speaker 18: their states. So we're looking forward to the election and
• 31:40
  Speaker 18: every other election moving forward.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Well, while you guys in One Nation are riding high
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: for a while, you're creating.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: A lot of strife for the coalition.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Definitely doing a lot of damage to the coalition as
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: you did in the.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: South Australian election.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: But the South Australian Premiere, the Labor Premier, Peter Malanowskis,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: actually sees you as.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: A threat to the labor vote as well. Here's what
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: he said in the wake of the election.
• 32:04
  Speaker 19: We saw labor voters going to One Nation and when
• 32:08
  Speaker 19: all that washed out, obviously the Liberal vote collapsed, the
• 32:12
  Speaker 19: one nation vote surged and the labor vote has remained steady.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: But underneath that there are.
• 32:19
  Speaker 19: Parts of South Australia, regional communities, metropolitan Adelaide, particularly in
• 32:26
  Speaker 19: the northern suburbs, where they want people to do better
• 32:30
  Speaker 19: and we just have to remain committed to that task.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's pretty wise to recognize that.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: But do you see this that One Nation could be
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: as big a threat to labor as it has been
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: on the right of politics.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
• 32:43
  Speaker 18: We're connecting with average Australians and a lot of those
• 32:45
  Speaker 18: seats that he's talking about, people like myself, you know,
• 32:48
  Speaker 18: tradees and nurses and factory workers and truck drivers.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: That is where One Nation is picking up a lot
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: of support.
• 32:57
  Speaker 18: It's this belief that the politics as usual is not
• 33:00
  Speaker 18: going to work for the country anymore, and people are
• 33:03
  Speaker 18: now turning away from the major parties as we're seeing.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that the.
• 33:06
  Speaker 18: Labor Party or the Liberal Party actually have it within
• 33:09
  Speaker 18: themselves to course correct and listen to those people. I
• 33:12
  Speaker 18: think now they're just thinking about, you know, more of
• 33:15
  Speaker 18: the elite population, the upper middle class and upper class
• 33:18
  Speaker 18: university educated, and you know that's the backbone of this country,
• 33:22
  Speaker 18: is the hard working blue collar worker, and we're more
• 33:24
  Speaker 18: than happy to represent them.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: I noticed that the candidate in Pharah, David Farley, has
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: been linked to the Labor Party in the past. I
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: think you've seen here that have been links here. He's
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: sort of toyed with a lot of parties. He's obviously
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: running for one nation now. And I want to go
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: to one of your new members in the Lower House
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: in South Australia with the name of Jason Virgo. You
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: can see in this Star Observer a gay magazine article
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: where they talk about him formerly being a marriage quality activist,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: and the story goes on to say that Jason Virgo,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: who served on the Mount Gambia City Council, ran and
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: openly l GBTQIA plus candidate for the Australian Sex Party
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: in twenty ten and twenty thirteen, helped to run rallies
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: for marriage equality and those issues as well. He also
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: served as a secretary of the Mount Gambia branch of
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: the Labor Party and later entered local.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Government, joining the City Council.
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: So he seems an odd fit for One Nation given
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: that he actually ran a Labor Party branch. Are you
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: are you happy with the people of that side of
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: politics getting involved with One Nation?
• 34:33
  Speaker 18: Well, I think we all do silly things when we're younger,
• 34:35
  Speaker 18: we come to our senses, and this is you know,
• 34:37
  Speaker 18: I've only just spoken to adjacent recently. I saw him
• 34:39
  Speaker 18: today and I think he's going to be an invaluable
• 34:42
  Speaker 18: member of the One Nation team and he's going to
• 34:44
  Speaker 18: work absolutely like a trojan horse for the people.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Going on a second, he ran for the Sex Party
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: in twenty ten and twenty thirteen and he's been the
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: secretary of.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: The Mount Gambia branch of the Labor Party.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: That's not someone yet young and stupid as a bloke
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: with obviously leftist political views.
• 35:04
  Speaker 18: Oh look, I think his views are aligning now with
• 35:07
  Speaker 18: One Nation. We've had a lot of discussions about, you know,
• 35:10
  Speaker 18: the direction of One Nation. He's worked really hard as
• 35:12
  Speaker 18: a candidate. None of this stuff was hidden. Everybody knew
• 35:15
  Speaker 18: and they still voted for him and One Nation and
• 35:17
  Speaker 18: he's going to do a fantastic job as a member
• 35:19
  Speaker 18: of Parliament representing the seed of McKillop and One Nation.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: All Right, we shall see.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: We'll have to catch up with the Jeff Virgo Jason
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Virgo at some stage in the future.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Carlos, I appreciate it. Thank you,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Chris Carlos Kuremba.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: There, who's one of the Upper House members for One
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Nation in South Australia. Now, of course we'll have coverage
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: this weekend of that by election in Parah where someone
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: else with links to the Labor Party is running for
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: One Nation. After the break went across to London, we'll
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: catch up with Sophie Ellsworth to get the latest on
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: the anti Semitism crisis there. UK police have charged a
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: forty five year old Somali born man with attempted murder
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: after he allegedly stabbed two Jewish men outside of synagogue in.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: London last week.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Europe correspondent and Sky News contributor Sophiel's we visited this
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: scene and spoke with members of the community.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
• 36:19
  Speaker 20: When I grew up in the North of England fifty
• 36:22
  Speaker 20: odd years ago, people anti Semitic teenagers have beat us up,
• 36:28
  Speaker 20: but that was life and then things have calmed down.
• 36:32
  Speaker 20: But recently it's become permissive the way the current government
• 36:37
  Speaker 20: has been behaving.
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  Speaker 21: Now I'm conscious of every single siren that goes past,
• 36:41
  Speaker 21: thinking has there been another fire attack on a synagogue
• 36:44
  Speaker 21: or has something else happened, Because it's becoming expected.
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  Speaker 1: We don't really see a future here. This seems like
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: it's the beginning of the end for Jews in London.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Let's go to Sophiel's Worth Live from London. Thanks for
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: joining us. That must have been a tough assignment to
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  Speaker 3: give us a sense of what that community is feeling.
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  Speaker 13: Well, Chris, you can hear it in their voices there.
• 37:09
  Speaker 13: Members of the Jewish community I spoke to in recent
• 37:12
  Speaker 13: days following this horrific attack in gold Is Green in
• 37:16
  Speaker 13: North London, they're visibly shaken, they're distressed, they're incredibly concerned
• 37:22
  Speaker 13: and they're on high alert. Chris, there is concern. I've
• 37:26
  Speaker 13: spoken to people in the Jewish community here in the
• 37:29
  Speaker 13: UK that they fear there could be a repeat of
• 37:32
  Speaker 13: what happened at Bondi Beach, and that is terrifying. So
• 37:36
  Speaker 13: we know that the terror alert has been upgraded here
• 37:40
  Speaker 13: from substantial to severe and authorities have been put on
• 37:45
  Speaker 13: high alert. But something may well happen, a terror attack
• 37:48
  Speaker 13: may well happen of greater scale. This is incredibly concerning, Chris,
• 37:53
  Speaker 13: and it feels eerily like what was brewing in the
• 37:56
  Speaker 13: lead up to the Bondai massacre.
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  Speaker 3: Now I'm not very familiar with London, A lot of
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: our viewers will know it very well, but I get
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: a sense there that the Jewish communities tends to be
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: concentrated in certain areas. Are there other parts of the
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: city where there are Islamist elements that might make it
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: more dangerous for people to be Are there areas that
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: are no go zones for different sorts of people in
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: London or not.
• 38:24
  Speaker 13: Well typically, Chris, the north northern parts of London are
• 38:28
  Speaker 13: where there's hugely populated Jewish communities, gold is Green being
• 38:33
  Speaker 13: the most well known or one of the most well known,
• 38:36
  Speaker 13: so they are dotted throughout London. It's obviously a big city,
• 38:40
  Speaker 13: but people are onlt across the city. I was speaking
• 38:43
  Speaker 13: to one business owner who did not want to go
• 38:45
  Speaker 13: on camera, and he said he won't wear his kipper
• 38:48
  Speaker 13: down the street. He's that concerned. He will not visibly
• 38:52
  Speaker 13: be shown as Jewish when he walks down the street.
• 38:54
  Speaker 13: He puts a cap over it. Another woman was saying
• 38:58
  Speaker 13: that she didn't feel safe another Jewish. I'm saying she
• 39:00
  Speaker 13: didn't feel safe walking with a baby down the street
• 39:03
  Speaker 13: because she fears her Jewish identity is a target. This
• 39:07
  Speaker 13: is real, This is a live This has happening, Chris.
• 39:10
  Speaker 13: It's deeply concerning for the Jewish community.
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  Speaker 3: It is just sickening and terrible. It's happening in London.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: It is happening in Sydney and Melbourne as well. Let's
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: have a listen to the UK Conservative leader Kenny bad
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Knock on some of these issues.
• 39:24
  Speaker 22: Palestine is unique in the minds of the hard left
• 39:28
  Speaker 22: as well as Islamic extremists. Those the two groups who
• 39:31
  Speaker 22: are whipping this up. It is unique in their minds.
• 39:34
  Speaker 22: We don't see protests about atrocities in Sudan. We don't
• 39:37
  Speaker 22: see protests about atrocities elsewhere. If people feel that there's
• 39:41
  Speaker 22: something that's happening in Palestine, then it's wrong. I can
• 39:43
  Speaker 22: understand that, but this unique focus on it is really
• 39:47
  Speaker 22: a cover for anti Semitism.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: It's so obvious.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: It's good that she's speaking so openly about the obvious reality.
• 39:56
  Speaker 13: She is, indeed, Chris, But the debate has now moved
• 39:59
  Speaker 13: to whether roy Palestinian marches should be banned, whether march
• 40:04
  Speaker 13: is here completely should be banned, protesting should be banned, Chris.
• 40:08
  Speaker 13: I think that is a very slippery slope when we
• 40:10
  Speaker 13: start going down that road. But this is one of
• 40:13
  Speaker 13: the key debates here at the moment, just days after
• 40:16
  Speaker 13: that attacking Golders Green.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so similar to the debate here, you go from.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: The trouble is they've allowed people to get out there
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: with hateful and threatening protests, and they allow that to
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: get out of hand. So now the only way to
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: stop it is to ban protests altogether.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: It is a real mess.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: But we'll keep tabs through you on those issues because
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: they are so reflective of what's going on in Australia.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: I just want to leap to another issue, of course
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: we know all too well in this country as well,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: and that is border protection and the horrible news that
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: in another channel crossing with illegal migrants trying to get
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: into the UK, two people have died. Tell us about that.
• 40:59
  Speaker 13: That's right, Chris, A teenager and another woman in her
• 41:02
  Speaker 13: twenties died trying to cross the channel. Now there's been
• 41:06
  Speaker 13: eight deaths so far this year, but already, Chris, the
• 41:09
  Speaker 13: latest figure show there's been six eight hundred illegal migrants
• 41:14
  Speaker 13: crossing the channel, which is down from forty one percent
• 41:18
  Speaker 13: so far this year. It's down on forty one percent
• 41:21
  Speaker 13: on the same period. The French have been given thousands
• 41:25
  Speaker 13: or millions of hundreds of millions of pounds should I say,
• 41:28
  Speaker 13: from the British government to intercept these boats and stop
• 41:31
  Speaker 13: them even coming over before they get here. But Chris,
• 41:34
  Speaker 13: I was down in this region, down near Dover last
• 41:38
  Speaker 13: week speaking to locals on the ground about this. Brits
• 41:42
  Speaker 13: are furious about this. They are furious that arellegal migrants
• 41:45
  Speaker 13: are crossing this channel with relative relative ease and then
• 41:50
  Speaker 13: being able to live here, many who do not have
• 41:52
  Speaker 13: any identity or identification with them. This is a serious
• 41:56
  Speaker 13: issue for the Palma government and we know that it's
• 41:59
  Speaker 13: causing him immense problems in the polls.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: It's madness.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: You surrender security for borders, you lose control of your
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: immigration program, social cohesion, and people risk their lives and
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: lose them. It's a shaker. We know it all too well.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Sophie, appreciate it. Sophie's worth their live.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: As ever, from London, we're going to get to a
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: break on the other side, Gematoni Uni and carolinder Asso
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: will join me on all these big issues of the
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: day as well as we'll show the Green Senator being
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: tested for drugs by the police. Lance sought everything out
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: with Gematoniueni from GT Communications on.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: The desk at me.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: As Ever, also carolineer are so joining us from Perth again. Look,
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: we're going to get onto the budget and interest rates
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: which will probably go up tomorrow, and the mess they're
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: making of housing in a moment. But let's start with
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: the gut wrenching stuff first. Out of this Royal Commission
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: into Anti Semitism, the Bondai Islamist massacre.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: In the wake of that, let's.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Start with this anonymous witness evidence about what the Australian
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Jewish people are going through.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: She was in the class when I believe a substitute
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: English teacher was giving a lecture about a book totally
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: unrelated to Israel law Palestinian issues, and for some reason,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: this teacher performed several high hitles salutes. This is not
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: the Australia that I chose to recall her.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a grandfather there, Caroline talking about how.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Tough it is for his grandchildren in this.
• 43:42
  Speaker 17: Country and that there is not something that anyone wants
• 43:47
  Speaker 17: to see in a school in this country. I actually
• 43:50
  Speaker 17: find that evidence that actually makes me feel really quite unwell,
• 43:55
  Speaker 17: because when you send children to school in particular, you
• 43:58
  Speaker 17: expect them to be educated and expec them to be safe.
• 44:02
  Speaker 17: And if that evidence is what that evidence is, then
• 44:06
  Speaker 17: that there is very concerning. But Chris, how many times
• 44:08
  Speaker 17: have we spoken about this since October seven? And there's
• 44:12
  Speaker 17: been this apathy and lots of excuses and not wanting
• 44:15
  Speaker 17: to deal with this issue head on. And essentially what
• 44:19
  Speaker 17: that does is it gives license to people to push
• 44:21
  Speaker 17: that boundary further and further. It's one thing if you
• 44:24
  Speaker 17: want to go out in the streets on the weekend
• 44:25
  Speaker 17: and protest for Palestine or whatever, but there is absolutely
• 44:29
  Speaker 17: no place in this country for that bs to be
• 44:31
  Speaker 17: going on in classrooms. But unless there is firm action
• 44:36
  Speaker 17: taken on these sorts of things, then it's allowed to proliferate.
• 44:40
  Speaker 17: And a lot of it's very subtle. A lot of
• 44:42
  Speaker 17: it isn't as obvious as a high hitless salute, but
• 44:47
  Speaker 17: it is there, and it has been increasing substantially since
• 44:50
  Speaker 17: October seven. And as much as I hate this evidence,
• 44:55
  Speaker 17: it needs to be out there so that people can
• 44:58
  Speaker 17: understand how pervasive this is.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so important to Jemma.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: You and I have spoken about this a lot on air,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: We've both written a lot about it.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: But the fact that the.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Government has to hear this in a Royal commission, hear
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: about the warnings it ignored, hear about what Jewish people
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: are still going through, hear about the Islamus extremist threat
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: that's still out there.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: It's so important.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: They cannot ignore evidence before a Royal commission, but they.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Will ignore it.
• 45:24
  Speaker 23: Chris, I mean, the best indicator of a future behavior
• 45:26
  Speaker 23: is past behavior. What gives you any confidence? And I'm
• 45:30
  Speaker 23: saying this not politically but objectively.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: If you look at.
• 45:33
  Speaker 23: How the government was dragged to this Royal commission, literally dragged,
• 45:38
  Speaker 23: what if any confidence should anyone have that this administration
• 45:43
  Speaker 23: under mister Albernezi will do anything about it, if not
• 45:47
  Speaker 23: immediately after Bonder, I'm old enough to remember Port Arthur.
• 45:50
  Speaker 23: I'm old enough to remember how instant that action was,
• 45:53
  Speaker 23: how galvanizing it was. I don't understand. I feel as
• 45:57
  Speaker 23: if so many people in the community, the broader community,
• 45:59
  Speaker 23: have already moved on from wonder, I can't move on
• 46:02
  Speaker 23: from it.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: No, No, Well, I don't have any confidence that the
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: government will get anything right. But I do have confidence
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: that the weight of evidence, the weight of the fact
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: that's different force a Royal Commissioner to do two things.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: That is, point out that so many warning signs were
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: not acted upon, that there's been no government leadership to
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: stem this stuff, to nip this stuff in the bard.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: And secondly that they need someone needs to take that
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: action now.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Otherwise Islamist extreme and this is the thing that they
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: will want to avoid. Islamist extremism will continue to run
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: amock in this country. It has to be challenged and
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: that's a full time job for governments and authorities.
• 46:38
  Speaker 23: Absolutely, And it comes back to the first premise, what
• 46:42
  Speaker 23: will it take if they weren't prepared to act proactively
• 46:46
  Speaker 23: on that issue alone. I read the ASO report. It's
• 46:50
  Speaker 23: available online. It's not a secret ASIO report. There was
• 46:53
  Speaker 23: a media conference about it. Curiosity got me.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I read it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 23: Any responsible government would have taken that advice and acted immediately,
• 47:01
  Speaker 23: but they didn't.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: All right, let's switch to the budget.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: If you're looking for something to get a little bit
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: more about fun. Good lord, we'll probably see interest rates
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: go up again tomorrow, Caroline. But we're hearing from the
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: government that is going to fiddle with the housing taxation arrangements,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: even though they promise not to. And Jim Chalmers says
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: that responsible economic management has been the hallmark of their
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: time in power, and we're going to see more of it.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Heaven help us.
• 47:29
  Speaker 17: Brazen, isn't it. And there is a potential obviously, and
• 47:33
  Speaker 17: you know, really the odds are on that there will
• 47:36
  Speaker 17: be an interest rate rights rise tomorrow. There have been
• 47:39
  Speaker 17: plenty of kites flown ahead of the budget in relation
• 47:42
  Speaker 17: to tax policy.
• 47:44
  Speaker 13: But what.
• 47:46
  Speaker 17: Is really, really quite frustrating about all of this is
• 47:50
  Speaker 17: that if we want to increase housing supply, we can
• 47:53
  Speaker 17: build more houses and we can turn down the dial
• 47:56
  Speaker 17: on immigration. This here and Tim Wilson has made the
• 48:01
  Speaker 17: point essentially trying to create an intergenerational fight. Here in Australia.
• 48:06
  Speaker 17: We have a leak in the roof, Chris, and Jim
• 48:10
  Speaker 17: Chalmers wants to fix it by painting the fence pink. Now,
• 48:14
  Speaker 17: if anyone thinks that these changes are going to make
• 48:18
  Speaker 17: any material difference to housing supply, I have a bridge
• 48:22
  Speaker 17: to sell you, or maybe the worst tell you it's
• 48:25
  Speaker 17: just not going to happen. Well, of course it's going
• 48:26
  Speaker 17: to make it worse. But the narrative, this is the narrative,
• 48:30
  Speaker 17: and there are so many very simple things that they
• 48:32
  Speaker 17: could do without mucking around with tax policy. And Chris, ultimately,
• 48:37
  Speaker 17: you know all negative gearing years is deducting your costs
• 48:40
  Speaker 17: from your revenue. That's what businesses do every day of
• 48:43
  Speaker 17: the week. So if you have got property in a
• 48:46
  Speaker 17: company that there is basic company tax principles. So I
• 48:50
  Speaker 17: have more faith in the accountants of this country that
• 48:52
  Speaker 17: I do in the federal government.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Just hopeless, just quickly, We've got to get to this
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Green Senator David she Bridge. Have a look at him
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: submitting not very quite reluctantly to a police drug test.
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: I was just pulled over by police on my way
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: into Marty Grass at Nimber.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Is wanting, yeah, send O to.
• 49:11
  Speaker 22: David Huebridge's my name, O day you.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: Canvas cocaine A used recently, So to be quite frank,
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: if I had, I wouldn't tell you.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: But I haven't. Wow, boy was he out there on
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: this stuff I am.
• 49:26
  Speaker 23: I don't know why you'd be proud of saying to
• 49:29
  Speaker 23: a police officer if I had broken the law, I
• 49:31
  Speaker 23: wouldn't tell you. If I had taken illicit drugs.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't tell you while I'm driving.
• 49:35
  Speaker 23: What I was about to say, More to the point,
• 49:38
  Speaker 23: taking illicit drugs while driving? You want to write yourself off, mate,
• 49:42
  Speaker 23: Drive into a tree, knock yourself out, But what about
• 49:44
  Speaker 23: the damage you would do to other people? And I
• 49:45
  Speaker 23: couldn't help Notice that my name is Senator David shoe Bridge,
• 49:49
  Speaker 23: so he didn't ask you what your job was, just
• 49:52
  Speaker 23: your name.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: We are right out of time.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Thanks Jimmy, Thanks Caroline, television presenter, public.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Relations manager Age horse Rider Peter Quidlin over to you, mhm.