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Bubba Page: Building a Life Around Faith, Family & Business · Becoming

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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Here Brotherhood podcast, and we are
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Speaker 1: so thrilled to have Bubba Page sitting here with us.
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Speaker 2: Yes, let's do this. I'm stoked.
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Speaker 1: So Bubba is just somebody I look up to so much.
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Speaker 1: Lots of people already know Bubba. He's got a reputation
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Speaker 1: that precedes him as as an entrepreneur and just all
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Speaker 1: around great human and very social and outgoing and friendly.
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Speaker 1: Do you consider to consider yourself an extrovert? Okay, I
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Speaker 1: fill you up.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get energized.
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Speaker 2: Yeah people, for sure. That's awesome.
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Speaker 1: So, I mean, I know a lot of people already
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Speaker 1: know you, but for those who don't, maybe just give
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Speaker 1: us the quick you known rundown of who's who's Bubba?
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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, you said that you look up
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Speaker 3: to me, Mike, I look up to you. You are
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Speaker 3: an incredible human. We got to bond, so everybody knows.
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Speaker 3: We got to bond at an amazing retreat and that
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Speaker 3: just like, I don't know how you can go through
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Speaker 3: a retreat like that there were only six of us, right,
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Speaker 3: and not leave feeling like we are brothers for life.
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Speaker 2: Totally.
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Speaker 3: So that was an incredible experience. I totally highly recommend
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Speaker 3: go to a retreat with Mike because he's just does
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Speaker 3: an amazing job.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Okay, little story about me. I'm an entrepreneur by trade.
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Speaker 3: I've turned investor at influence do WC. But which I
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Speaker 3: did start. Yeah, so I started a couple of years ago,
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Speaker 3: and essentially I'm just writing checks into companies alongside my
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Speaker 3: network of investors, write a little bit larger check together,
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Speaker 3: and then we bring influencers to help grow that company faster.
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Speaker 3: So we have some influencer expertise that maybe a lot
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Speaker 3: of venture capitalists don't have. But even more importantly than
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Speaker 3: you know, being an entrepreneur first and built and sold
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Speaker 3: and built and failed and then cashload and now investor,
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Speaker 3: is that I'm a dad of eight eight kids or boys,
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Speaker 3: four girls arranging close to five to fifteen. So we
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Speaker 3: just crammed him in in ten years twins at the
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Speaker 3: very end. That is like the highlight of my life
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Speaker 3: or these kids. It's unbelievable. I'm a faithful man. I'm
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Speaker 3: a God fearing man. So that's like the ultimate priority
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Speaker 3: in life, my relationship with God and Jesus, and I
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Speaker 3: try and want to do his will. I want to
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Speaker 3: do what he wants me to do. That's like my
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Speaker 3: goal in life is if I can be an instrument
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Speaker 3: in his hands, and even being on something like this,
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Speaker 3: hopefully I just hope and I pray that I can
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Speaker 3: share something that he wants me to share that affects
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Speaker 3: at least one person and if that's if that's how
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Speaker 3: it works, then hopefully I'm doing the right thing. So
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Speaker 3: you know, leading in with my life more on this
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Speaker 3: God's side and my love for Jesus and scripture study
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Speaker 3: and worship in temples. Other people might call it a
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Speaker 3: holy sanctuary or their synagogue or something where I go.
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Speaker 3: I just I feel it's not a I should go.
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Speaker 3: It's like I need it. I need it now in
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Speaker 3: my life because I feel like I get so much
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Speaker 3: additional strength. I feel like I get clarity direction, not
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Speaker 3: just for spiritual matters, but for my temporal matters, for
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Speaker 3: for businesses and for relationships and with my kids. I
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Speaker 3: feel like I get so much more out of my
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Speaker 3: life when I when I put God first and and
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Speaker 3: try to listen and hear the promptings or inspiration as
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Speaker 3: I as I think through it. So let's see who
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Speaker 3: else am I? I love the outdoors absolutely love the outdoors.
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Speaker 3: I love to adventure. I love CrossFit. That's been like
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Speaker 3: my newest I've only been doing it for two years,
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Speaker 3: but I love it. I think physical fitness is such
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Speaker 3: a core element of our being of ourselves because my
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Speaker 3: belief is that we came from a place with heavenly Father,
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Speaker 3: and we got to come to this earth and receive
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Speaker 3: a body. And in receiving this body, like when I
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Speaker 3: when I die, my body will stay on the earth,
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Speaker 3: but someday I'll get to be resurrected, and when I do,
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Speaker 3: I get this body back. So I wanted to care
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Speaker 3: of it and I feel like it's part of that
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Speaker 3: temple that we've been given, and so cross has been
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Speaker 3: one of those things. I'm like a trail runner, a
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Speaker 3: mountain biker, love all things, you know. I played volleyball,
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Speaker 3: love it. That was like my sport. I grew up
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Speaker 3: playing in Northern California, which is where I'm from. But
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Speaker 3: taking care of my body is a big deal. So
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Speaker 3: I do exercise so that I can eat. Don't get
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Speaker 3: me wrong, I'm not like a health nut from a
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Speaker 3: diet standpoint, but I love taking care of the body
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Speaker 3: the best way I can. I love, engaging with people,
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Speaker 3: being around people, total extrovert. I think that's definitely a thing.
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Speaker 3: And if I can help people, I think, and then
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Speaker 3: I'll be done. I think God has given me a mission,
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Speaker 3: and the mission that I feel prompted to do is
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Speaker 3: to the core value around the core value of that
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Speaker 3: mission is around self reliance. And to me, He's given
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Speaker 3: me gifts and talents and assets and a network within
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Speaker 3: entrepreneurship and investing to be able to help people achieve
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Speaker 3: a level of self reliance. And to me, the word
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Speaker 3: self reliance is more about having sufficient for your needs mentally, spiritually, physically,
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Speaker 3: you know, temporarily, financially, all of those things, so that
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Speaker 3: then you have an abundance to share with others. And
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Speaker 3: if I can teach through entrepreneurship and investing or include
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Speaker 3: others in that, then they can help other people around
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Speaker 3: the world. And if I can do that while bringing
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Speaker 3: people to Christ in one way or another, I think
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Speaker 3: I'm fulfilling the calling I've been given on this earth.
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Speaker 3: So that is my goal. I just shared a lot.
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Speaker 2: That's so good.
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Speaker 1: There are so many things that I was like, we
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Speaker 1: could dive into that and that and that and that
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Speaker 1: we got time.
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Speaker 2: Let's go. That's me.
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Speaker 3: That's Bubba. I was that baby. The name stuck. My
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Speaker 3: real name is not Bubba. People ask all the time.
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Speaker 3: Real name is brand Brand. I just I'm never called
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Speaker 3: I probably won't even turn if somebody calls me. And
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Speaker 3: it's a great name, there's nothing wrong with the name.
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Speaker 3: But literally been called Bubba my entire life. It's on
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Speaker 3: my My Mission plaque. I served a mission for the
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Speaker 3: Church and Jesus Christ to Brazil and it says Elder
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Speaker 3: Bubba page like I've always been Bubba.
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Speaker 2: It's your given name.
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Speaker 3: Now I know.
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Speaker 2: It's okay, weird thing. That's so funny.
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Speaker 1: Okay, it's not on your birth certificate it is, but
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Speaker 1: every other legal document probably has.
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Speaker 2: Hey, where in.
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Speaker 1: Brazil the furthest South? Cos I was in no way?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Did you ever hear the phrase like but dodge.
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Speaker 2: Chick at the end?
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Speaker 3: Okay? So that was totally the So I was in
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Speaker 3: the furthest South. You could go next to Uruguay and
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Speaker 3: these were like the cowboys.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, they were the ones.
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Speaker 3: Wrangling the cows where all the meat and the shoe
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Speaker 3: Hosco came from.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Cool.
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Speaker 3: So when you go to like a Rhodesio grail or
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Speaker 3: a Braza grill or something that's like just brings back
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Speaker 3: a sweet part of my heart.
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Speaker 2: Nice. That's so.
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Speaker 3: I love the Brazilian people. They're good people.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm so glad you clarify the name thing because
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Speaker 1: I actually wasn't going to ask you that. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's your given name. Okay, let's let's
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Speaker 1: jump in a little bit too. I know there's there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of places we could go. One thing that
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Speaker 1: I just when you when you talked about your practices
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Speaker 1: kind of your you know, the physical wellness component, the exercise,
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Speaker 1: the spirituality. I've noticed a few times just following you
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Speaker 1: on on social channels, like I love that you're you're
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Speaker 1: really open and public about your faith and about your
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Speaker 1: even just your fitness and your routines and you'll post,
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Speaker 1: you know, you're at the gym and you're working out
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Speaker 1: and you'll post something about it. And the ones that
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Speaker 1: I've noticed that have really stood out to me, and
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Speaker 1: maybe it's because it's not as common is you're like
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Speaker 1: either arriving at or leaving the temple and you'll just
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Speaker 1: hop on the camera and or on your phone or
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Speaker 1: whatever and just say, hey, here's something I learned or
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Speaker 1: here's something that's important to me. And those stand out
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Speaker 1: to me because I just I don't see those as
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Speaker 1: off right of like somebody literally leaving their their temple
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Speaker 1: experience and then just hopping on and sharing a thought,
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Speaker 1: insight or whatever. I guess where that's leading me is like,
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Speaker 1: maybe tell me a little bit about that, and how
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Speaker 1: does it feel to sort of step into vulnerability and
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Speaker 1: sharing those things which are maybe more commonly kind of
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Speaker 1: just kept private if you will.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I feel like the four key areas
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Speaker 3: of my life faith comes first, family, fitness, and finance.
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Speaker 3: So those are just for.
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Speaker 2: Us, you know.
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Speaker 3: And so when I think about and this has come
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Speaker 3: more in my adulthood and as I mature in myself
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Speaker 3: and build my own confidence, that when God has asked
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Speaker 3: me to share my faith, at first, I was like, Hell, no,
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that. That's scary, Like, I
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Speaker 3: am not going people are gonna hate, They're not They're
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Speaker 3: gonna critical critical, gosh like, and a lot of people, look,
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Speaker 3: Mormon is the common term that people use. Yeah, a
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Speaker 3: lot of people will say, well, Mormons aren't Christian. It's like, Okay, well,
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Speaker 3: hold on, if are the name of the actual church
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Speaker 3: is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints.
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Speaker 3: We worship our God, the Father in Jesus Christ. So
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Speaker 3: if you believe in Jesus, I believe you're a Christian
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Speaker 3: because that is the term of what Christian means. Christ
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Speaker 3: is in the name, and and I just felt inspired.
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Speaker 3: It was probably the first like foray into sharing my
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Speaker 3: faith was on a YouTube video that I did with
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Speaker 3: my now ex wife, and it was called what do
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Speaker 3: Mormons Believe? And we took a deep dive into all
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Speaker 3: kinds of like crazy stuff, what's going on in the temples, garments,
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Speaker 3: the underwear that we wear, the magical underwear that people
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Speaker 3: talk about right the temples, Joseph Smith, polygamy, tithing. I mean,
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Speaker 3: we took a deep dive and we spent almost an
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Speaker 3: hour on this YouTube video and it's you know, it's
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Speaker 3: like six hundred thousand views now. And what I just
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Speaker 3: did was I led people to go to the come
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Speaker 3: onto Christ dot org website. And if you go to
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Speaker 3: the common to come unto Christ dot org, all of
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Speaker 3: those questions can be answered. So if you're listening and
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Speaker 3: you're like, what is all that stuff you just said?
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Speaker 3: Go to come onto christ dot org because look, I'm
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Speaker 3: not the expert, but I can share at least my
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Speaker 3: beliefs and my thoughts. And some people are uncomfortable sharing
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Speaker 3: what's most private to them, and I totally understand it
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Speaker 3: and I respect it. Like if you haven't felt compelled
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Speaker 3: to share your experiences that are private to you, then don't.
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately or fortunately, however you want to look at it.
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Speaker 3: I have literally felt like it's been a calling given
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Speaker 3: to me by God that I am supposed to get
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Speaker 3: outside of my comfort zone and share things that are
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Speaker 3: so near and dear to my heart. And as I
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Speaker 3: do that, now I'll share a little coveat. I grew
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Speaker 3: up in San Francisco, in the Bay Area of California,
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Speaker 3: and you spent some time in there. It's such a
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Speaker 3: wonderful place. But I grew up around mostly non you know,
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Speaker 3: people who don't didn't share the same faith. I'd say
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Speaker 3: majority you were Christian, but like, but all all kinds
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Speaker 3: of faiths, and I loved all of them. I was
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Speaker 3: friends with everyone. There was no like I can't be
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Speaker 3: friends with you because of a certain belief that was ridiculous.
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Speaker 3: I'd go to church with other people at their churches
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Speaker 3: and enjoy and learning about it. So I feel like
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Speaker 3: I was given this gift of understanding and of loved
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Speaker 3: other people no matter what their beliefs, no matter what
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Speaker 3: their you know, gender or color or whatever, it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 3: I just and I'm so grateful for that because I
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Speaker 3: don't know if everybody gets a chance. And growing up
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Speaker 3: in the San Francisco area, you were just exposed to
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Speaker 3: a lot of diversity, right, and which was a huge
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Speaker 3: blessing to me. And so today when I when I
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Speaker 3: share my faith online, that fear that I have had,
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Speaker 3: it'll still creep in every every so often because of
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Speaker 3: you know, of hate that may come because sharing something
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Speaker 3: that's sensitive and not everybody believes the same things. And
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Speaker 3: that's okay. I've just now come to know that, Look,
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna love others whether or not they love me,
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Speaker 3: because that's my duty. Right. We love God, we love ourselves,
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Speaker 3: we love others. That's the greatest commandments. And if I
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Speaker 3: can do that, then I'm fulfilling a covenant and a
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Speaker 3: promise that I've made with my God. And if I
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Speaker 3: can follow Jesus's example to love those that it doesn't
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Speaker 3: matter what they're beliefs, and I just would ask for
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Speaker 3: that same level of love and respect back. And I
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Speaker 3: know I won't always get it sure, And I've grown
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Speaker 3: a little bit thicker skin over the years and being
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Speaker 3: in my forties now it's like, I guess I can
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Speaker 3: handle that. So, you know, I did get outreached by
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Speaker 3: people who manage social media for our church, and they
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Speaker 3: asked like, how are you doing it? How are you
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Speaker 3: you know the same kind of question, how are you
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Speaker 3: feeling about it? Could you help others to understand how
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Speaker 3: they could? And I thought to myself, I'm happy to
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Speaker 3: help in any way, shape or form. But my thought was,
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Speaker 3: it takes like an internal conviction. I really believe you
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Speaker 3: have to feel called to do it. And you know,
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Speaker 3: serving my mission in Brazil, you know, obviously it was
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Speaker 3: two years of volunteer. I look at it as like
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Speaker 3: a tithe of my life. It was between the ages
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Speaker 3: of nineteen and twenty one, and you know, ten percent
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Speaker 3: of my twenty year life exactly. It was two years,
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Speaker 3: and I gifted that I paid my own way. I
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Speaker 3: didn't receive any renuneration to go on that mission. I
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Speaker 3: actually paid to be there, sacrifice, going to school, sacrifice,
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Speaker 3: time of my career. You know, Relationship eighty had none
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Speaker 3: of that. It was just solely focused on serving those
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Speaker 3: people in Brazil and bringing a love and a joy
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Speaker 3: and a light to them that maybe they didn't see otherwise.
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Speaker 3: And I and we preached Jesus. That's all we did.
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Speaker 3: You know, we'd knock on doors. Technically in Brazil, we
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Speaker 3: did a lot of clapping.
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Speaker 2: Yep, you clap at the cla.
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Speaker 3: I think it's so funny. And then we just ask
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Speaker 3: and say, hey, we're here messengers of Jesus Christ. Can
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Speaker 3: we talk to you about them? And not everyone, but
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Speaker 3: there were a lot of people that were kind and
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Speaker 3: loving and would let us in. And if you've ever
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Speaker 3: seen those missionaries out there, they were wearing the white
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Speaker 3: shirt and ties and they have a little plaque. Be kind,
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Speaker 3: be nice. Look, they're just trying to do their best.
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Speaker 3: They're they're out there volunteering their time. They they're not
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Speaker 3: getting paid, like this is a hard effort. And they're
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Speaker 3: someone's children like mine who are out there. And so look,
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Speaker 3: you don't have to believe and get baptized and join
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Speaker 3: the church, but just be kind and if you feel comfortable,
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Speaker 3: like have them share a five minute message with you,
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Speaker 3: because it'll make their day to be able to like
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Speaker 3: share something about Jesus with you. And if you feel
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Speaker 3: even compelled, invite them in and give them a treat
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Speaker 3: or a drink or a little like meal. Like these
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Speaker 3: are young adults that are trying to figure out life
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Speaker 3: and to have us some kindness out there. I just
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Speaker 3: posted there was a message from a woman in Brazil
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Speaker 3: or in Germany, Andrea, I believe her name. She wrote
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Speaker 3: me this long message a DM, which I usually don't
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Speaker 3: get to see all of my dms, and so but
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Speaker 3: I saw this one, which it was meant I was
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Speaker 3: meant to see it. And she said, look, I've been
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Speaker 3: following you for years. I'm not a member of your faith.
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Speaker 3: I'm Catholic, which is great. And she said, but I
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Speaker 3: saw your missionaries on the train today and I realized
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Speaker 3: that that those are the people you've talked about. So
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Speaker 3: I talked to them. I gave them my number. They
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Speaker 3: were so happy to talk to me. And I'm inviting they,
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Speaker 3: she said, I'm inviting them in for a meal in
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Speaker 3: my home. Nice and and I'm like, you got to
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Speaker 3: be this is in Germany, this is so cool. So
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Speaker 3: I get messages every so often from people who are
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Speaker 3: sharing their experience with maybe the missionaries, or or maybe
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Speaker 3: they've watched me go to the temple. And there was
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Speaker 3: a woman who hadn't been for forty years. She had
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Speaker 3: gone before, but had decided that it wasn't her thing,
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Speaker 3: and after watching me go weekly for I mean, it's
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Speaker 3: been nine years, but I didn't start posting about it
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Speaker 3: until about maybe three years ago, going as often as
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Speaker 3: I can weekly. I can't say it's every single week,
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Speaker 3: but almost every she said that she felt compelled that
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Speaker 3: she needed to go back again. So she met with
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Speaker 3: her church leader, she got the temple recommends for her
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Speaker 3: to be able to go back, and she wrote me
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Speaker 3: the message saying, the day she got her temple recommend
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Speaker 3: I'm going to get my temp recommend. I've been watching
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Speaker 3: you go to the temple. It's inspired me to go,
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Speaker 3: and I'm like, these are the reasons why I'm online. Yes,
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Speaker 3: I talk about business, entrepreneurship and investing. Yes I want
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Speaker 3: people to become self reliant and have abundance, but truly
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Speaker 3: I want to bring people to Christ and if I
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Speaker 3: can do that through all these other means, then I'm
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Speaker 3: doing I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. And so
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Speaker 3: to hear these messages. If you've had these other messages
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Speaker 3: or feelings or thoughts or experiences, please share them with me,
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Speaker 3: DM me on Instagram, orf your on LinkedIn, share them
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Speaker 3: on LinkedIn or whatever platform you're on, because that is
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Speaker 3: what motivates me to get back on and to you know,
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Speaker 3: expose some of these private pieces of my life. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and it helps me know that I'm on the right path.
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Speaker 3: That was a long answer to your question.
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Speaker 2: No, that's awesome.
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Speaker 1: I mean it's to have found your purpose in especially
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Speaker 1: in kind of the social media world, the influencer world.
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Speaker 1: I'm not as deep in that world, but i've certainly,
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Speaker 1: you know, as as a branding person and in marketing,
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Speaker 1: and you know, like social is a huge channel and
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Speaker 1: it's so impactful at least in business, but then the
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Speaker 1: way that it can be so impactful in personal lives
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Speaker 1: and in fulfilling your mission and increasing your reach I
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Speaker 1: think is really quite profound. Something that didn't exist even
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Speaker 1: not that many years ago, really right, and at the
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Speaker 1: audience size that's available now and so I just admired
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Speaker 1: the way that you step into your mission, your purpose,
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Speaker 1: and into vulnerability, because sharing those most sacred things, as
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Speaker 1: you mentioned, like it can feel scary, and it can
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Speaker 1: be subject to criticism or to hate or to you know,
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Speaker 1: resistance or whatever whatever that may look like. And so
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Speaker 1: I just appreciate that. And I also am cognitive of
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Speaker 1: the cognizant of the fact that it was about what
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Speaker 1: a year a year plus ago when we got together
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Speaker 1: and had that amazing retreat experience, and you mentioned already
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Speaker 1: once in passing your you mentioned your ex wife how
18:43
Speaker 1: you guys had made it, you know, content together, and
18:46
Speaker 1: you together had a pretty big audience. And then the
18:50
Speaker 1: marriage started to unravel, and then the fear and the
18:55
Speaker 1: pressure around that of like, hey were these kind of
18:58
Speaker 1: public facing figures and where this couple and really prided
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Speaker 1: yourselves in your family and in your marriage, and then
19:06
Speaker 1: the marriage starts to fall apart and everything that that meant.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think that in and.
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Speaker 1: Of itself, is hard enough to go through a process
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Speaker 1: of your marriage unraveling and then a separation and a divorce,
19:20
Speaker 1: let alone that you've got I don't know how many
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Speaker 1: thousands of followers that like that see you as this
19:29
Speaker 1: unit and then there's this big change and it can
19:31
Speaker 1: just that additional pressure. I have no idea what that
19:35
Speaker 1: must have felt like.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, combined it was about two million followers across all platforms. Yeah, Okay,
19:42
Speaker 3: I could laugh now I cried before. Don't get me wrong. Sure,
19:46
Speaker 3: but you know what that was scary is I'll get out.
19:49
Speaker 3: I did not want to make a public I did
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Speaker 3: not want to go that route. I can say now,
19:54
Speaker 3: I'm grateful because to me, vulnerability it breeds connection. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and whether it's online or in person, any form of vulnerability,
20:06
Speaker 3: which is now as I'm in this new weird singles
20:09
Speaker 3: dating world as in my forties so weird, vulnerability is
20:14
Speaker 3: like a non negotiable. So tip for anyone that I
20:18
Speaker 3: go out, I go out with vulnerability breeds connection and
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Speaker 3: that is a must have in my future relationship. And
20:27
Speaker 3: I feel like being vulnerable online will drive a connection
20:32
Speaker 3: even through a screen. And you know, as you were
20:37
Speaker 3: saying the experience we had a year ago, I'm just
20:40
Speaker 3: gonna give a shout out anyone who hasn't been with
20:43
Speaker 3: Mike or your wife before and done breath work, which
20:50
Speaker 3: to me before this retreat that I went with Mike.
20:52
Speaker 3: I had never done it before. That was my first experience,
20:55
Speaker 3: and I'll be honest, I thought that stuff was woo woo.
20:59
Speaker 3: I was like, this is for me. I'm this, you know,
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Speaker 3: masculine man. I don't need this kind of thing. I'll
21:04
Speaker 3: get over my feelings or emotions. No, like the way
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Speaker 3: you did it in such a christ centric way I have.
21:12
Speaker 3: I have shared your name with so many people expressing
21:17
Speaker 3: how it cracked my soul and my heart open in
21:20
Speaker 3: a way that I had never felt before. And what
21:23
Speaker 3: was so fascinating so breath work, for example, the way
21:26
Speaker 3: I mean, you can describe it way better than I can,
21:28
Speaker 3: But for me, it was just an experience of connecting
21:31
Speaker 3: with God in this format of deep and quick breathing
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Speaker 3: that allowed my body to get into a different state
21:39
Speaker 3: and that I had never felt before. Kind of scary
21:44
Speaker 3: to get that vulnerable. The tears were just flowing like crazy,
21:49
Speaker 3: and my communication with God was just so deep and clear.
21:55
Speaker 3: When we were done, I wrote, I think it was
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Speaker 3: six pages in my journal of just this download, this
22:01
Speaker 3: revelation that came as inspiration from God, and it was
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Speaker 3: because of your process, and it's not just I don't
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Speaker 3: think I've done breathworks since and it hasn't There hasn't
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Speaker 3: been that deep of a connection. And I've done it
22:16
Speaker 3: with you, and it's deeper. So you've got some amazing
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Speaker 3: talent and gifts that God has given you, and you
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Speaker 3: and your wife specifically, that that allow the spirit of
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Speaker 3: God to be in the room to fill the soul
22:29
Speaker 3: of that person. And if you come with this open mindset,
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Speaker 3: willing to be vulnerable, willing to just to just kind
22:37
Speaker 3: of surrender to God and to speak to Him in
22:41
Speaker 3: that ultimate depths in almost what I would call a
22:44
Speaker 3: mighty prayer. The Scripture's talk about this mighty prayer where
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Speaker 3: you're pleading and you're expressing gratitude, and like that connection
22:54
Speaker 3: it changed my life for the future. I started to
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Speaker 3: recognize from that retreat moving forward that I needed to
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Speaker 3: not shove my feelings down anymore, to not just like
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Speaker 3: push everything away yea and keep moving forward, because that's
23:08
Speaker 3: basically what I did for forty years, shove any type
23:11
Speaker 3: of hurt feelings or any type of emotion down. And
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Speaker 3: you know what, I'm tough, Let's go figure it out
23:16
Speaker 3: and solve a problem. But to now learn to be
23:19
Speaker 3: more in touch with the emotional side. And you know,
23:22
Speaker 3: people might look at masculinity as this, like you know,
23:26
Speaker 3: beards and tattoos and cigars and fast cars. Right to me,
23:30
Speaker 3: that's exactly the opposite of true divine masculinity. And our
23:36
Speaker 3: our ultimate example of masculinity, divine masculine is Jesus Christ.
23:42
Speaker 3: Jesus is the absolute example of what it means to
23:47
Speaker 3: be masculine. It's part of a mission that I have
23:50
Speaker 3: now this you know that I've talked about. I'm starting
23:54
Speaker 3: something called Fatherhoodmovement dot Com where we have to collaborate
23:58
Speaker 3: with here brotherhood because they're there's so much goodness, and
24:02
Speaker 3: I think we're being compelled by God to help men
24:06
Speaker 3: recognize in families, recognize that healing is a must. This
24:11
Speaker 3: is not a only women heal or only feminine men
24:17
Speaker 3: are in touch with their emotions. Not true. The true
24:20
Speaker 3: masculine man is able to be in control of their emotions.
24:25
Speaker 3: They don't lash out, they don't have crazy anger fits
24:29
Speaker 3: because they're able to learn self mastery. And that self
24:33
Speaker 3: mastery is how you lead in your home. It's how
24:38
Speaker 3: you lead with your spouse, it's how you lead your children.
24:41
Speaker 3: You can't be chewing out and yelling at your kids,
24:45
Speaker 3: and that is not leading. Now, don't get me wrong,
24:48
Speaker 3: we've all been there. Yeah, but hopefully we feel a
24:52
Speaker 3: prick in our heart that God's telling us after you
24:56
Speaker 3: have that experience and saying you need to apologize, and
25:00
Speaker 3: masculine man will be able to feel that, go and
25:03
Speaker 3: apologize and try their best to not do those things again.
25:07
Speaker 3: And I was in a podcast recently they talked about
25:10
Speaker 3: even sexual discipline, and I won't go into the same
25:12
Speaker 3: level of depth, but a true masculine man has sexual
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Speaker 3: discipline as well. This is something where you know, thinking
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Speaker 3: that you're this manly man and you can go sleep
25:22
Speaker 3: around and be with women all the time. I'm sorry,
25:24
Speaker 3: that is not how God wrote this script. He gave
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Speaker 3: us a strict command that a relationship between a man
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Speaker 3: and a woman from a sexual standpoint should be within
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Speaker 3: the bonds of marriage.
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Speaker 2: I'll get hate for that, and a sacred thing. It's
25:39
Speaker 2: not a casual thing.
25:41
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's the deepest level of connection you can have
25:45
Speaker 3: with an individual. Your souls are connecting at a totally
25:49
Speaker 3: different level. Yes, there's chemicals, there's chemistry happening the physical,
25:54
Speaker 3: which is magical. Don't get right wrong. I like it
25:57
Speaker 3: just as much as anybody else, all right, But but
26:01
Speaker 3: the soul spirit to spirit connection is so grand. I
26:07
Speaker 3: mean it is. This is what I believe Heavenly Mother
26:10
Speaker 3: and Heavenly Father has gifted us as one of our
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Speaker 3: greatest gifts on the earth for those of us who
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Speaker 3: have received bodies and are able to have those relationships.
26:20
Speaker 3: But it's so sacred, and the world has created a
26:23
Speaker 3: media frenzied sexual sexualization that it's casual and that it's
26:29
Speaker 3: for whoever, or.
26:30
Speaker 2: It's a conquest even right, this idea of like you.
26:33
Speaker 3: Feel manly because no, come on. I want to empower
26:39
Speaker 3: women to know that they can say no, that they
26:43
Speaker 3: don't have to give that part of themselves outside of
26:46
Speaker 3: the bonds of marriage, and not even have to in marriage.
26:49
Speaker 3: And that's mutual thing. Just to be very clear, that'll
26:52
Speaker 3: be taken out of contact that watch. But that men,
26:58
Speaker 3: we need to have that self mastery and to know
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Speaker 3: that God will empower us with his power if we
27:08
Speaker 3: uphold this covenant and promise as Christians to treat women
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Speaker 3: in the way that they should be treated. They are
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Speaker 3: daughters of God, they are daughters of our heavenly Father
27:20
Speaker 3: and heavenly Mother. And you know, it's something that I
27:24
Speaker 3: feel like I'm only scratching the surface on for me
27:28
Speaker 3: of understanding the unbelievable importance and sacredness of divine feminine
27:36
Speaker 3: and of motherhood. And look, I'm a father of eight.
27:40
Speaker 3: I absolutely love fatherhood and Fatherhood Movement dot com as
27:45
Speaker 3: a program will hopefully help men and help women to
27:49
Speaker 3: have a group that they can be with and have
27:53
Speaker 3: these types of discussions overcome certain challenges. If you've been
27:56
Speaker 3: living a life that maybe hasn't been as covenant with God,
28:00
Speaker 3: you can stop right now. You can change your life
28:03
Speaker 3: immediately and turn yourself to God. And this concept, I
28:09
Speaker 3: know the rest of the world may think I'm crazy,
28:12
Speaker 3: but if you really read the scriptures and if you
28:14
Speaker 3: really study the sacredness of that marriage covenant, I think
28:21
Speaker 3: you'll also find, like I have found that sacredness, especially
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Speaker 3: within sexual relations, that you should wait until marriage. And now,
28:31
Speaker 3: luckily there's a lot of scientific studies that are coming
28:34
Speaker 3: out showing how some of the red flags you may
28:38
Speaker 3: see in a relationship are hidden behind the chemical when
28:42
Speaker 3: you do have relations before marriage, that you have these
28:46
Speaker 3: chemicals that are going in your mind that hide these
28:49
Speaker 3: red flags that you maybe would have seen before, and
28:54
Speaker 3: then talking about like the dopamine and the endorphins and
28:58
Speaker 3: the process of staying and not even talking about STDs
29:03
Speaker 3: or like any of that stuff of keeping yourself pure.
29:08
Speaker 3: But I think more and more it's starting to come out.
29:11
Speaker 3: It has been hidden by media that that is not
29:14
Speaker 3: the cool thing. But I think Christian music is becoming
29:18
Speaker 3: more popular. I think Christian you know a study, is
29:20
Speaker 3: becoming more popular. And maybe it's not even the popularity,
29:24
Speaker 3: that's not the right term. People are starting and willing
29:27
Speaker 3: to share because it is a vulnerable thing. I'll get
29:31
Speaker 3: hate for the stuff we're talking about, I have no doubt,
29:34
Speaker 3: but I have to share it. I feel like I
29:39
Speaker 3: feel like this is what God wants us to talk
29:40
Speaker 3: about because it's just not talked about very often. So
29:44
Speaker 3: I know I went on a tangent. I'm soap boxier,
29:47
Speaker 3: but I just believe so strongly that if we can
29:50
Speaker 3: live a biblical life, that we can follow what's in
29:54
Speaker 3: the scriptures to the best of our ability. And look,
29:57
Speaker 3: I failed just as much as everyone else, and I
30:00
Speaker 3: repentance just as much as everyone else. I am not
30:03
Speaker 3: trying to come on a high horse and say that
30:04
Speaker 3: I am holier than now. That is not what I'm
30:07
Speaker 3: trying to do, because I fail every day and I
30:10
Speaker 3: don't hear his word every single day, and it drives
30:14
Speaker 3: me crazy when I don't, and I recognize it, and
30:16
Speaker 3: I'm like, dang it, let me go ask for forgiveness again,
30:20
Speaker 3: because I didn't do that thing right, or I didn't,
30:23
Speaker 3: you know, reach out to that person that I felt
30:24
Speaker 3: prompted to reach out to, or I didn't say that
30:27
Speaker 3: kind thing that I should have said, or I didn't
30:30
Speaker 3: pick up the socks when I walk by him and
30:32
Speaker 3: I felt prompted to pick up the dang socks. It's
30:34
Speaker 3: as little things like that that I think. I think
30:37
Speaker 3: God gives us this inspiration, and as we heed, we
30:40
Speaker 3: hear it, and we act upon it, he'll give us more.
30:43
Speaker 3: And the more we respond to that inspiration, the more
30:46
Speaker 3: he's willing to give, the more trust that we build
30:49
Speaker 3: with God, and it gets bigger and bigger, and so
30:52
Speaker 3: it comes a point where he knows, no matter what
30:55
Speaker 3: he's going to tell us, that we will listen. Think
31:00
Speaker 3: about what God can do to someone who is willing
31:02
Speaker 3: to hear every word, no matter how crazy or difficult
31:06
Speaker 3: it might sound, and act upon it and do it
31:09
Speaker 3: so as long as it is good. Yeah, and follows
31:13
Speaker 3: his principles. That is how he builds his army. Because
31:18
Speaker 3: Satan's built his and our Satan's army is powerful and
31:22
Speaker 3: they are surrounding us all day every day. They don't sleep,
31:27
Speaker 3: they don't need to go to school. They are just
31:30
Speaker 3: twenty four to seven attacking. And we are meant to
31:33
Speaker 3: be warriors for Christ. And he's building an army, and
31:37
Speaker 3: he's calling us to be a part of his army
31:41
Speaker 3: because we have to be able to combat the adversary
31:45
Speaker 3: and his temptations. And holy cow, he's done a great job.
31:49
Speaker 3: And he's tearing families apart, and he's attacking men. He's
31:52
Speaker 3: attacking women, he's attacking children. He's getting through our phones,
31:56
Speaker 3: he's getting through social media, through the internet, through feeds,
32:00
Speaker 3: you know, and he's doing a heck of a job.
32:03
Speaker 3: He said, who knows how many eons of time to
32:06
Speaker 3: learn his craft? And you know, we're here with a
32:11
Speaker 3: more powerful structure God, Jesus. He has the power to
32:18
Speaker 3: overcome anything that Satan has. And yet a lot of
32:21
Speaker 3: times we don't call in his name. Yeah, we don't
32:25
Speaker 3: reach out to him when we're struggling or we hear
32:29
Speaker 3: this temptation, we feel it and we act on it,
32:32
Speaker 3: and then we're ashamed and we don't call in the
32:35
Speaker 3: name of Jesus to repent and ask for forgiveness to
32:37
Speaker 3: overcome it, and we go down this downward spiral that
32:41
Speaker 3: Satan slowly but surely takes us down. And it's so
32:47
Speaker 3: I've been there. I've walked down that path. I've made
32:51
Speaker 3: the choices that are I'm not proud of, and I've
32:53
Speaker 3: had to use Jesus Christ's blood and his atonement to
32:58
Speaker 3: become clean again. And it's a day practice. I just
33:02
Speaker 3: believe so wholeheartedly that that all of us, anyone listening,
33:07
Speaker 3: can can and should. Jesus is waiting for you to
33:12
Speaker 3: use his atonement. It's like this gift that we've been
33:16
Speaker 3: given where you know, if heaven's here and everything we
33:20
Speaker 3: can do on our life through our works right, faith
33:23
Speaker 3: is work. Faith without works is dead, is my belief.
33:27
Speaker 3: So we do as much as we can, but Heaven's
33:29
Speaker 3: here to get back to our fathers. Here. This gap
33:34
Speaker 3: is filled with Jesus. He's the one who fills that gap,
33:37
Speaker 3: and if we can incorporate Jesus in our life to
33:41
Speaker 3: fill that gap, it's a must. He is the only way.
33:45
Speaker 3: He is the light, he is the truth, he is
33:47
Speaker 3: the way. It is his word that gets us back
33:51
Speaker 3: to where we need to go. And I just I
33:54
Speaker 3: want so badly to get there. I want so badly
33:57
Speaker 3: for my children to get there. It's my prayer, even
34:02
Speaker 3: for my spouse, is that we are able to lead
34:06
Speaker 3: and guide our children to come back to our heavenly
34:09
Speaker 3: father's presence someday. And if anyone feels any inkling of
34:14
Speaker 3: some prick in your heart today right now as you
34:18
Speaker 3: listen that call out to God now, right now, pause,
34:25
Speaker 3: call out to God, our Father, tell him what you're
34:28
Speaker 3: grateful for, plead with him for help, and end in
34:32
Speaker 3: the name of Jesus Christ, our Savior, and that prayer
34:38
Speaker 3: will get to him. You may feel that there's a
34:43
Speaker 3: copper ceiling sometimes, but I can guarantee and promise that
34:49
Speaker 3: God hears and answers our prayers, and he does it
34:52
Speaker 3: in his own timing and in his own wisdom. And
34:56
Speaker 3: bad things do happen to good people, and it's in
34:59
Speaker 3: his wisdom why those things happen, and I just look
35:02
Speaker 3: when bad things have happened to me, I just try
35:06
Speaker 3: to ask in prayer what am I supposed to learn
35:08
Speaker 3: from this? I don't want to go through this, the
35:11
Speaker 3: hell that I've been through the last year, I would
35:13
Speaker 3: not wish on anyone, But I've asked what am I
35:18
Speaker 3: supposed to learn? And part of this sharing, this level
35:22
Speaker 3: of vulnerability is some of the pieces I felt like
35:26
Speaker 3: I've been compelled and man, I've been on a soapbach Mike,
35:30
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, my.
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Speaker 1: Friend, No apologies needed, and thank you for sharing. Ah,
35:40
Speaker 1: I just want to take a breath with that.
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Speaker 3: Amen.
35:52
Speaker 1: There was a few things that came to my mind
35:55
Speaker 1: and heart as you were sharing, and one of them
35:58
Speaker 1: was just around this concept of freedom and how discipline
36:03
Speaker 1: leads to freedom as opposed to no discipline actually leads
36:08
Speaker 1: to bondage. And when you were talking about just the
36:11
Speaker 1: standards that we live by, you know, living with purpose,
36:14
Speaker 1: living in accordance to principles of truth, as opposed to
36:18
Speaker 1: just the what I would call the counterfeit of freedom,
36:21
Speaker 1: which is like, oh, I can just do whatever I want,
36:23
Speaker 1: whenever I want, and look at where that might lead you. Right,
36:27
Speaker 1: Like where does it eventually lead? And I look at
36:30
Speaker 1: you as such an example of somebody who lives with
36:33
Speaker 1: discipline so that you are free, and that whole idea
36:36
Speaker 1: of self reliance. It's like, Yeah, if you take these
36:39
Speaker 1: little measured steps throughout your life, you are in a
36:42
Speaker 1: place then of true freedom, not in this counterfeit version
36:45
Speaker 1: of freedom that actually leads to bondage. So that was
36:48
Speaker 1: just something that was impressed upon my mind as you
36:51
Speaker 1: were sharing, and I just wanted to share that if
36:53
Speaker 1: you have anything to say about that feeling.
36:55
Speaker 3: You know, especially young people. Yeah, if we have some
36:58
Speaker 3: young folks that are listening, you know, you're these guys
37:01
Speaker 3: I watch, they're in their twenties. I go and speak
37:03
Speaker 3: to students at universities all the time, and usually it's
37:06
Speaker 3: about entrepreneurship. Interesting, which is great, that's you know, a
37:10
Speaker 3: talent and a skill that God's given me, which is
37:13
Speaker 3: I love. And so I'll go and you know, talk
37:15
Speaker 3: about this entrepreneurship stuff, and I watch as their eyes,
37:19
Speaker 3: their eyes get really excited about the house they can
37:22
Speaker 3: buy some day, the cars they can drive some day,
37:24
Speaker 3: that vacations, and this financial wealth that they can build.
37:28
Speaker 3: And I try, I try my best every time I
37:31
Speaker 3: go and speak to these students to help them remember
37:35
Speaker 3: the priorities that your relationship with God is infinitesimal, more
37:41
Speaker 3: of more importance than any type of money you can get.
37:43
Speaker 3: Because you die, none of that goes with you now,
37:46
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong. God can also give to you
37:48
Speaker 3: with financial abundance to be able to help and support
37:52
Speaker 3: other people too. There's nothing wrong with money. Dave Ramsey
37:54
Speaker 3: wrote a phenomenal book in the Journey. Oh shoot, now
37:57
Speaker 3: I can't remember the exact title, but something around the Journey, okay,
38:00
Speaker 3: And it's about all of these biblical principles of how
38:03
Speaker 3: God does think it's okay to have money. Some people
38:07
Speaker 3: are afraid of it, and they say it's the root
38:09
Speaker 3: of all evil. The love of money, Yeah, is the
38:12
Speaker 3: root of all evil. And that money can be utilized
38:15
Speaker 3: for amazing things to help and support and encourage and
38:20
Speaker 3: love people. But a lot of these younger, you know,
38:24
Speaker 3: students or twenty somethings, they're hearing from the world that
38:30
Speaker 3: this freedom is fast cars, fast women, fast life. You know,
38:35
Speaker 3: all this.
38:35
Speaker 2: Stuff, right, all the dopamine, all.
38:37
Speaker 3: The dopamine, social media, instant gratification in its shallowest forms.
38:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, because there's nothing wrong with dopamine, but
38:45
Speaker 1: it's the way in which yes.
38:48
Speaker 3: And these but I see these young people and they
38:50
Speaker 3: get so excited and they just want that so fast. Yeah,
38:54
Speaker 3: and unfortunately, with the advent of social media, their attention
38:58
Speaker 3: spans are a little bit shorter. Maybe no offense, but
39:03
Speaker 3: you know, there's a little shorter attemption.
39:05
Speaker 2: It affects.
39:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, not just the youth, but I mean they've grown
39:09
Speaker 1: up maybe with certain patterns.
39:10
Speaker 2: But I see adults too. Yeah, we're being conditioned, totally.
39:15
Speaker 3: Being conditioned. And instant gratification is for sure a thing.
39:18
Speaker 3: And as I try to help share with them, like
39:22
Speaker 3: life principles that I've learned, self discipline, self mastery, this
39:27
Speaker 3: delayed gratification, you know, living the way that nobody else
39:32
Speaker 3: will for five years so that you can live I
39:34
Speaker 3: think Dave Ramsey said this to living like nobody else
39:37
Speaker 3: will for five years so that you can live like
39:38
Speaker 3: nobody else can the rest of your life. Especially as
39:42
Speaker 3: an entrepreneur, you scrimp and save and frugal and scrap.
39:46
Speaker 3: You're doing everything you can to not have the nice
39:50
Speaker 3: car or that nice house, or the nice things in life.
39:53
Speaker 3: So that you can just you know, build and create
39:58
Speaker 3: and it may allow you it an opportunity to live
40:01
Speaker 3: like no one else can in the future. Hopefully you
40:04
Speaker 3: do that with intention and in God's way. You know,
40:08
Speaker 3: you build the Kingdom of God first and riches can
40:12
Speaker 3: follow instead of seeking riches first. Is how the scriptures
40:16
Speaker 3: talk about it. But this freedom element that you talk
40:19
Speaker 3: about it is a huge mindset shift that I hope
40:25
Speaker 3: we all, as adults or youth can remember. Freedom comes
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Speaker 3: from obedience. Now that may sound contradictory because they may
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Speaker 3: be thinking politically or police wise or you know legally.
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Speaker 3: You know, obedience like no fight against it. You know,
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Speaker 3: let's be independent and look. As an entrepreneur, I'm the
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Speaker 3: first to want to bend rules, right. I want to
40:49
Speaker 3: figure things out and be creative and thoughtful. But when
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Speaker 3: it comes to God's laws, all blessings are predicated upon
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Speaker 3: obedience to a law, is my belief. When we have
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Speaker 3: God's laws of loving people, loving him, loving ourselves, and
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Speaker 3: loving others. While we obey his laws, the blessings are open.
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Speaker 3: The windows of Heaven are opened, and we can't even
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Speaker 3: imagine the amount of blessings that are poured down upon us.
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Speaker 3: But all blessings are predicated upon obedience to a law,
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Speaker 3: and if that's true, then obedience is what brings us
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Speaker 3: that level of freedom. Again, some are going to throw
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Speaker 3: hate and say, yeah, right, you're obeying the scriptures and
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Speaker 3: that's old stuff. But look, God is the same yesterday, today,
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Speaker 3: and forever what he taught then. And yes, there's some
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Speaker 3: crazy stuff going on in the Old Testament, So I
41:43
Speaker 3: get it, there's some crazy stuff there. But good thing
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Speaker 3: for modern day revelation, for prophets and apostles that we
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Speaker 3: can learn from the Bible and the Old Testament, the
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Speaker 3: New Testament, from scriptures that have come. I believe in
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Speaker 3: the Book of Mormon to be the Word of God
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Speaker 3: is another testament of Jesus Christ. And being able to
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Speaker 3: have multiple scriptures, I believe we will have more scripture
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Speaker 3: that will come out. I don't believe God just had
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Speaker 3: a certain set of prophets when Jesus was around or
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Speaker 3: when Moses around. Why would he have prophits then and
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Speaker 3: not have profits now? There are probably, I believe very
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Speaker 3: wholeheartedly there are scriptures that are hidden away that will
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Speaker 3: come to light at some point that was given directly
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Speaker 3: by revelation to these prophets that were written thousands of
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Speaker 3: years ago, potentially that someday will come to light. We've
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Speaker 3: been told that we will have these hidden scriptures come
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Speaker 3: to light. I can't wait to learn about those things.
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Speaker 3: I don't think God's going to give it to us though,
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Speaker 3: if we don't study the ones we have. So we
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Speaker 3: got to get to know the Bible and the scriptures
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Speaker 3: like now, and then he can give to us even more.
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Speaker 3: But I truly believe that the true freedom. Freedom comes
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Speaker 3: when we are doing God's will. That is what gives
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Speaker 3: us true joy. I think there's a difference between happiness
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Speaker 3: and joy. You know, we can feel happy. I'm a
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Speaker 3: happy person by nature. I'm a glass half full kind
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Speaker 3: of guy. True joy comes from when we're following God's
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Speaker 3: laws and we'll mess up. Everyone does. We all mess up.
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Speaker 3: That is just part of life's purpose.
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Speaker 1: And I just have to add for that. I think
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Speaker 1: that's inclusive of the plan. Like I think sometimes when
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Speaker 1: we get into this idea of obedience, it's very easy
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Speaker 1: to go, oh so if I'm not therefore I failed
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Speaker 1: at this thing, and therefore now I'm going to feel
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Speaker 1: shame or feel whatever, like all the things that come
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Speaker 1: with that. No, that's my belief is that that is
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Speaker 1: inclusive of the human slash spiritual experience that we are
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Speaker 1: having right now, this mortal experience. Those lessons that we
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Speaker 1: learn from our mistakes from not following those laws and
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Speaker 1: we get the consequences of those those are invaluable. I
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Speaker 1: loved the perspective. This was another thing that stood out
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Speaker 1: from what you shared earlier going through your own personal darkness,
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Speaker 1: going through hell. The question is is not why me,
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Speaker 1: which I think a lot of us default to, right,
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Speaker 1: The question is what do you want me to learn
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Speaker 1: from this?
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Speaker 2: Well?
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Speaker 1: What a powerful mind shift of that experience. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: we might feel the y me moments too, and that's okay,
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Speaker 1: there's brand for that, right, But what can I learn?
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Speaker 2: What do you want me to learn from? This? Is
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Speaker 2: so powerful? And that does kind of bring me back
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Speaker 2: to I did.
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Speaker 1: I want to just ask what helped you most in
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Speaker 1: that process of of of divorce and this kind of
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Speaker 1: public facing thing and the and the added you know,
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Speaker 1: pressure that you can feel from that. Anyone who's been through,
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Speaker 1: you know, a divorce knows the pain of that. And
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Speaker 1: then imagine like there's an audience of two million that
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Speaker 1: are all, you know, peering in and going wait.
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Speaker 2: What's going on?
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Speaker 1: You know, just the oh that that could compound the
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Speaker 1: feelings of all those hard feelings that come with it. Right,
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Speaker 1: what do you what do you look at as the
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Speaker 1: things that helped you the most through that process and
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Speaker 1: to get to a place now because I've seen it
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Speaker 1: in you and I feel it from you, this place
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Speaker 1: of feeling at peace and of a feeling of wholeness
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Speaker 1: and a feeling of wisdom and perspective that you gained
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Speaker 1: through going through that. And now there's probably a lot
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Speaker 1: you could say about that, and there's multiple factors. But
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Speaker 1: if if there was just an insight or a thought,
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Speaker 1: especially for those of our audience who might be going
45:24
Speaker 1: through something tough right now, like, what would you share
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Speaker 1: with them?
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Speaker 3: Well, probably half of the audience is going through this
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Speaker 3: according to the statistics, right right, So it's probably a
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Speaker 3: large a large portion of the audience. Right, I'm going
45:36
Speaker 3: to sound like a broken record. The only way that
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Speaker 3: I've been able to get through this with any form
45:43
Speaker 3: of positivity is because I leaned on God. I just
45:47
Speaker 3: don't know how people can do it without. Life is
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Speaker 3: too complicated it's too hard, it's too impossible to not
45:54
Speaker 3: have a faith in some greater being and some greater cause.
45:59
Speaker 3: You know, I have friends believe that it was black
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Speaker 3: before they came and it's black when they leave, and
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Speaker 3: I respect and love them, but it hurts, It hurts
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Speaker 3: my soul to think that that's their belief, because there's
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Speaker 3: in my belief, there's so much more. We did come
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Speaker 3: from somewhere in my belief and that we do go
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Speaker 3: somewhere else after this life. But leaning on God has
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Speaker 3: been the sole source of strength, and being very specific
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Speaker 3: about what that means. To lean on God for me
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Speaker 3: is daily prayer and as sincere of prayer as possible,
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Speaker 3: not just the repetitive prayer that we've all said before,
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Speaker 3: but sincere conversation with my God in the name of
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Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, where he is hearing the depths of my
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Speaker 3: soul and some of it is not happy. That's so
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Speaker 3: important and being real, true authenticity I want If authenticity
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Speaker 3: brings reads connection, I want that more with God than
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Speaker 3: anyone else. I want Jesus to know my heart and soul,
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Speaker 3: and even though he knows it without even me saying it,
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Speaker 3: I believe I feel like it's my duty to say it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and for you it's that process or for us, right,
47:13
Speaker 1: it is that process of knowing ourselves too and then bringing.
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Speaker 2: That to God, to our higher power.
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Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's maybe not anything very surprising to God,
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Speaker 1: but it is for us that process of self discovery
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Speaker 1: and of honesty and authenticity. I love that and that's
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Speaker 1: where we get those deeper connections. So please continue your so.
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Speaker 3: Deep sincere prayer number for sure right away. You can
47:38
Speaker 3: do it anywhere, anytime, any moment. I think it's helpful
47:43
Speaker 3: to be on your knees if you can. I think
47:45
Speaker 3: it's helpful to have a dedicated space to where you
47:49
Speaker 3: can feel that this is like your prayer space. Again,
47:53
Speaker 3: you can prayer, pray anywhere. Yeah, I pray all the
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Speaker 3: time when I'm driving all the time, and I keep
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Speaker 3: my eyes open, you know. But I also think it's
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Speaker 3: special that if you can dedicate a space like literally,
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Speaker 3: in the name of Jesus, dedicate a space. I've done
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Speaker 3: my closet and just said, like Jesus, you know, Heavenly Father,
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Speaker 3: please dedicate this area for me to be a place
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Speaker 3: of worship of sayctity, like of holiness. So that as
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Speaker 3: I come to you, I want to cast out any
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Speaker 3: evil in the name of Jesus, cast out evil so
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Speaker 3: that this can be a holy place. And as I
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Speaker 3: enter into that holy place, there is a different feeling.
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Speaker 3: And when I kneel in humility before my God, I
48:36
Speaker 3: can feel different and I can have spiritual experiences that
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Speaker 3: maybe I wouldn't have driving, although He can give spiritual
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Speaker 3: experiences anywhere, anytime. But I think a key tip is
48:47
Speaker 3: having a dedicated space within your And if you can't
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Speaker 3: do it in your home, because maybe it's not a
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Speaker 3: safe space for you, find somewhere where you can go.
48:55
Speaker 3: Maybe it's your car, maybe you park and that is
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Speaker 3: your dedicated holy space. That's okay too, But do it
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Speaker 3: in the name ask Father, our heavenly Father, and in
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Speaker 3: the name of Jesus, to dedicate that space for you.
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Speaker 3: And as you seek him in that prayer, I believe
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Speaker 3: and can promise you'll feel his love. You'll feel his comfort,
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Speaker 3: and the deeper of the depths of how you go
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Speaker 3: through there is opposition in all things. The deeper you've
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Speaker 3: had to go through despair, the more you'll feel of
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Speaker 3: His love. In my opinion, I feel like that's a
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Speaker 3: true principle in life. So prayer man, this is my
49:41
Speaker 3: learning to feel my emotions. This is part of it, right,
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Speaker 3: allowing them to come. So prayer, scripture study. I know
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Speaker 3: people are gonna say, like, I ain't got time for that.
49:52
Speaker 3: How am I supposed to study God's word? But there
49:56
Speaker 3: is a distinct power that God gives us when we pray,
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Speaker 3: when we study his word, and when we worship, and
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Speaker 3: when we serve others. For sure. But studying the scriptures,
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Speaker 3: even though it's hard to understand because scriptures are they're
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Speaker 3: written in an old time. But if you look at
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Speaker 3: the way they were written, even though the language is
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Speaker 3: sometimes difficult, they were written for us in our day,
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Speaker 3: even though they wrote it hundreds or thousands of years ago.
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Speaker 3: They were doing it seeing us in the future. There
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Speaker 3: were some prophets who saw the end from the beginning.
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Speaker 3: They saw the latter days, they saw the last days
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Speaker 3: before Jesus comes again, and they wrote for our benefit.
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Speaker 3: That's incredible. This is the scriptures are a guide back
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Speaker 3: to our Father's presence, like we must follow what's being taught.
50:54
Speaker 3: And so scriptures study. Again, these are up my tangents.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'd say service to others. For sure. It
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Speaker 3: gets you out of your negative mindset. And when you
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Speaker 3: go and serve others, you realize, you know what, my
51:10
Speaker 3: life isn't that bad. When you go and serve others,
51:13
Speaker 3: there are plenty of other people who have a lot
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Speaker 3: worse than you look. Divorce was miserable and horrific, and
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Speaker 3: and now I look back and I can say I'm
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Speaker 3: grateful for the experience because of what I've learned and
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Speaker 3: who I've become and what the deep dive it's given me.
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Speaker 3: But as I served others, I'm like, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 3: this is nothing. My hell was nothing compared to that
51:33
Speaker 3: person's hell. Nothing. Right like talk about first world problems,
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Speaker 3: there's so much that people are going through. When you
51:44
Speaker 3: go and talk to somebody cuts you off in the street,
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Speaker 3: they're in the grocery store and they're a jerk to you.
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Speaker 2: No idea what's going on?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have absolutely no idea. And that's one thing
51:57
Speaker 3: that people have been vulnerable with me as I've been
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Speaker 3: open and vulnerable, especially online, and they share what they're
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Speaker 3: going through and they look perfect on the outside, don't
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Speaker 3: we All thanks to social we have no idea what
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Speaker 3: people are going through and just please as we love God,
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Speaker 3: love ourselves, love others, have grace, have grace. So many people,
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Speaker 3: even if they offended you, they hurt you to the culture,
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Speaker 3: your core, find a way to have compassion and empathy
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Speaker 3: for them because you have no idea what their upbringing was,
52:36
Speaker 3: like their childhood wounding. They probably haven't been able to
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Speaker 3: work through that pain. And were they triggered by something
52:44
Speaker 3: that you said or did, And then yes, it's not
52:47
Speaker 3: you're You're not in control of how they react to triggers,
52:50
Speaker 3: but we are in control of how we respond to others.
52:54
Speaker 3: And if they freak out and they come chewing you out,
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Speaker 3: what are you gonna do? Because all you can control
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Speaker 3: is yourself. You can't control their response, their reaction there,
53:04
Speaker 3: what are you going to do? And give them some grace,
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Speaker 3: some compassion, and then worship. So these are my four prayer,
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Speaker 3: scripture studies, service to others, and worship. And I love
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Speaker 3: to worship in my church on Sundays, and then during
53:18
Speaker 3: the week I like to go to the Temple. And
53:21
Speaker 3: you know that my church worship on Sundays, it's typically
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Speaker 3: with my children and kids, and and there's a lot
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Speaker 3: going on and there's a lot happening. We sing, we
53:29
Speaker 3: sing songs, we sing praises to Jesus. We have, you know,
53:34
Speaker 3: educational discussions about the scriptures. But I find my solo
53:39
Speaker 3: temple time, my solo worship time in the temple, where
53:42
Speaker 3: I am just connecting directly with God. I'm serving my ancestors.
53:46
Speaker 3: Because we believe that there are ancestors who have passed
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Speaker 3: along that need us to do some work for them,
53:51
Speaker 3: that I'm serving them, and that as I serve these ancestors,
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Speaker 3: that they become part of my army. I truly believe,
53:59
Speaker 3: as I of others in this life as like a
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Speaker 3: you know, hopefully a little angel to them, that I
54:05
Speaker 3: am serving these angels on the other side of the
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Speaker 3: veil who have already passed on in the spirit world.
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Speaker 3: They become my army that helped me combat the evil there.
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Speaker 3: And the more service I can give them, the more
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Speaker 3: service in the temple that I can that I can give,
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Speaker 3: the more power I have from God. I guess I
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Speaker 3: would add from those four daily repentance because I screw up.
54:29
Speaker 3: We all do, and and don't you know, I think
54:32
Speaker 3: a lot of us we expect perfection from ourselves, never
54:36
Speaker 3: gonna happen. Just accept it, surrender never gonna happen. It
54:39
Speaker 3: doesn't mean you can't improve, It doesn't mean you can't
54:43
Speaker 3: say sorry when you need to. It means you know.
54:47
Speaker 3: So much of what we do is our own effort,
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Speaker 3: our own work, our own healing, and seeking love from
54:56
Speaker 3: God and then sharing that love to others. That's the
55:00
Speaker 3: only way I've been able to get through this. Journaling helps,
55:03
Speaker 3: breath work helps, healing, retreats helps. I'm a fan of
55:06
Speaker 3: therapy coaches. I think all of those things can be
55:10
Speaker 3: helpful so long as their Christ centric.
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Speaker 1: Awesome, Bob, thank you so much for sharing your faith,
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Speaker 1: your heart, your tears in this conversation. Just much love
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Speaker 1: and respect for you and appreciate you taking the time
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Speaker 1: to share these things.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love you man, You're doing great work here.
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Speaker 2: Love you too, rather, thank you