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Talks to Daniel, Lucy & Dave about their choice of Planet of Evil (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast. You join us for a final episode
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  on Zita minor and I'm here with Joe and Dave and Lucy and we're
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  all enjoying it, immensely I think and quite surprised how
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  quickly it's gone. Mmm, it's really you know, these
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  episodes are really, you know, coming through, thick and fast
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  and it's almost a shame. It's the last one.
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  So, We spoke earlier on about how when we first saw this but
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  has our opinion of it changed over the years, have we have we
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  always loved it or did we not like it or Joe?
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  What do you think? No, actually because I had a
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  quick look at the review. I wrote on this about ten years
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  back on my taco reviews website and I gave it an 8 out of 10
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  then. So I think I've always quite
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  like this. Yeah, I've always liked plenty
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  of evil. Okay, Lucy.
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  Well I only watched it in the last couple of years as far as I
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  can remember. So I haven't had very long to
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  change my opinion of it but no I liked it I liked it from the
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  beginning. I do I'm always up for an
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  in-studio jungle as well as we've been saying.
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  This is a really good jungle. I like I like the characters and
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  the way the Dynamics between the characters and the performances,
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  especially Sorenson who's just fabulous.
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  And I'm definitely up for the sort of phony Jekyll and Hyde
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  thing to so yep. I enjoyed it.
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  And Dave, what do you think? I've always liked this one.
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  I think it's one of the underrated tones as we discussed
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  earlier. It's just overshadowed for a
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  fake product people and the other ones in the season, but
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  know my pain is not changed on the stories first type of watch
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  the thickest, bloody brilliant. So, The end of the last episode
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  salomeh has gone full rimmer in that episode of Red Dwarf.
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  Which is it turn, which one a quarantine isn't it?
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  Where he has Mr flibble. He's gone full Mr. Flibble
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  honest and Sorenson has gone. Full Jekyll and Hyde and poor
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  old Sarah. The doctors unconscious and
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  Sara's nose list Lanes, very good at their heavy breathing.
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  Thing is she's being as she's been there.
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  Just about to be jettisoned out. So I think, I think we should
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  start part for and Dave would you like to counter sympathies?
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  Yes, sure, five, four, three, two, one.
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  Let's go. The only problem with this title
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  sequences that the light on top of the tower, this looks a bit
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  weird it looks bit fake but yeah.
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  How can kids not be scared about that picture of Tom Baker.
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  He's actually in the episode is great and a reassuring presence.
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  Hmm. Yeah, I must have only been
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  about 19 or something, but I was more excited than scared to be
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  honest. When I saw that the for all God,
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  this looks really exciting. The talus is coming up and yeah.
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  Oh, he's been his. I actin generate I if if you if
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  you can't afford them to spend out too much money on a cosplay?
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  Can I suggest if you've got from your childhood?
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  The old Connect Four game, just get two of the red counters and
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  stick them in your eyes, Bingo. You Professor Anderson?
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  Lex comfortably, a quick dose of conjunctivitis or sort you out.
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  You want your, right? You if you like your eye to look
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  like a pickled grape, I can definitely not recommend having
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  conjunctivitis hamsters budget cosplay.
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  Yeah. Oh yeah, we go.
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  Forcing him down on the lever. Yep.
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  There we go. She's Sarah.
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  That's why Barry. Let's cast this Laden because he
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  said that she was the only. She was the only actress they
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  saw who could convey being scared and being brave at the
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  same time. Hmm.
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  Sent out. This is the cabal Dixon help.
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  There isn't anybody except I seem to remember there was a
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  shadow on the wall. Yeah, sorry.
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  Sorry, Lacey. No, I wasn't even say, it's
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  really the use of the use of Shadows of not showing the
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  thing, like you had the whole of the almost, the whole of the
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  first episode before you saw the division effect of the
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  antimatter. And now we've seen the, the
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  creature sort of looking around corners.
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  Has. And we saw it bending over to
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  homes body but we haven't seen much of it.
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  So the the anticipation of it is more scary than the thing.
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  Arriving is taking control asks, offing look really scary as
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  well? Yeah, they could look a bit
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  comic and they, but they don't, they look know that same worse.
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  I think it's obvious. They've only got the one though.
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  I don't know. I could be wrong, but yeah.
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  They say this pair together out on this link.
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  That just magic and that's yeah, that's Tom getting, you know,
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  can I just look a little bit? Can I just because the way he
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  saw clambered out of it, sort of legs came up, over for over his
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  head and it's just, yeah, that's David milolii.
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  Letting Tom do. Do some, you know, bit of bit of
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  funny, comedy acting a little bit and now Tommy's realize it.
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  Now, the doctor is realizing that it's because Sarah's been
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  Sarah consents, the chain Change of the antimatter, you see socks
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  and she called it. Yeah, yeah.
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  Right back to episode one, isn't it?
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  Well yes, in the forest. Yeah.
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  Who descend to the level of brute?
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  I think he's well on the way there.
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  What's really clever is how structured this is because that
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  the first episode climax is on the the reveal of the creature,
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  a second episode leading up to like, was down the whole.
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  The third episode is kind of source.
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  And changing. And then the fourth episode,
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  they sort of Go full zombie movie, don't they have all the
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  electronic men? Yeah, going through the doors
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  and that it's based on the siege.
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  Yeah. It is, isn't it goes from?
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  Yeah, from the only thing is, one of the things about the
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  Hinchcliffe area that seems to be, is that there are a few
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  stories where you get all the locations shooting in the first
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  couple of episodes. And then by the end of it, by
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  the last episode, everything's all in the studio.
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  You get that with Genesis of the Daleks that you get that with
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  Talons Wang qiang as well. They obviously put the bulk of
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  the location filming already. Eating fill me in the first
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  couple two or three episodes and then the last episode is all in
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  the studio. Yeah, I don't know.
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  Sir, is that something that's do?
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  You notice that it, whether that's something from, just this
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  era, or was it sort of all all these?
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  I like to start with a bang, don't they like to start with my
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  expensive opening Genesis is the most obvious example where most
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  of episode one is on location and then none of episode six is
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  it's all down in the bunker. Yeah.
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  But then again, in this location isn't the location.
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  Well I think they couldn't they did consider eating like sort of
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  yeah I suppose. So yeah but that was part.
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  I suppose that was possibly part of the constraints that they
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  were under two to do things in. In chunks, maybe just the way
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  and unnecessarily just saw Tom, they're celebrating the flashing
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  light and the door Commander down.
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  Yeah, it could be like a hobby, isn't that, right?
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, suppressive. And we also had, what's his
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  name? Salim are saying, oh, what we're
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  gonna do now? We're all going to die.
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  Give an order. You're in charge.
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  Now. Yeah.
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  Grow up without person looking at him like, yeah.
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  How did you ever get this job? Yeah.
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  Talk to the right people or sorry.
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  I shouldn't see that. Oh, he's found the doctors found
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  the flask. Yeah, I like to think that for
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  schinsky, sent a letter to to the head of the restaurant,
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  space Fleet and said, Dear Sir, you misread, my my request.
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  I said I wanted to work on a spaceship with a salad bar.
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  The doctors found the antimatter that Sorenson had and he's
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  adding the stuff to it to make it.
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  You think he'd have a swig? Wouldn't you told by her loves a
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  drink? Yeah, he may be mad, but he's
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  not stupid either. It just shows as well though it
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  was happening. This Silence has been.
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  So that's a big city. Yeah, it's being.
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  It's turning to Mush piss. Yes.
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  Didn't know. Did anybody major, which Was a
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  direct sequel, to this story written by Simon missing him?
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  No, no, sorry. Well, I didn't either.
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  I'm curious. Have you read that you?
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  I have. Yeah.
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  And I'll tell you what, entirely missed the point because like
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  most of the Virgin stroke BBC books, it was extremely graphic,
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  and violent, and a bit, a dull. So, this goes for like subtle
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  scares, you know, and smart writing, and there it is like
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  They basically, they're go to my restaurant and it's this
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  horrible, like policed environment, where everyone's
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  tortured, and it's just a nasty read.
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  Yeah, not great. You miss the point.
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  That's dr. It's a fifth doctor about Nissa
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  Nissa gets taken over by the, but the antimatter, and because
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  every monster She really gets the rough Edge in those virgins.
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  Yeah, you adventure books, doesn't she passed?
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  Doctor books. Is your vampire one as well.
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  Yeah, that's all for coming out, isn't it?
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  Yeah, something weird happened. In the noise, isn't it?
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  Where they just like being horrible to everybody.
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  But now the doctor doctor is telling effectively telling
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  Sorenson that he has to kill himself Would you seek dark for
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  a we? Yeah.
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  That's what he's quick. He's completely serious.
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  He says, we buy our power to experiment that cost of total
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  responsibility. So that's a great feeling.
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  You have to take I may have misquoted because it's gone off
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  the screen now but you have to take responsibility for what's
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  happening to you and what you're going to do to everyone else and
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  eject yourself or yeah, get off the ship you know it's like he's
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  not even looking at him. He says Passive?
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  Yeah, because that still because he's gone through.
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  There's no, there's no point in Rage anymore.
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  He's gone through that and gone out the other side and what's
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  left is and he's talking to him as a scientist as well.
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  When he comes in, he says you're ill.
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  You thought you'd made a. You thought you'd made a vaccine
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  but it's not going to work. It's too late and now he's gone
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  Bonkers. Oh god.
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  Look! Yes.
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  Well this is it this is what made me think of hindle as well.
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  It's like, he's completely. He's reached completely the end
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  of his capabilities and he hasn't got anything left except
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  to go nuts and kill himself effectively because if you, you
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  know, is it when he opens that it's going to take him of it so
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  he's completely lost it. Did you notice there another
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  Advantage for that split level set was?
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  They could put the cameras up there and shoot down.
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  So that Studios film massive. Yes.
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  And you get the view from the view from above and of evil.
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  Yeah, David malan, anybody's brilliant.
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  Will you get the sense of it as a real physical space, don't
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  you? Because there's the corridors
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  and then the hatch is coming down and it feels like something
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  that you could actually walk through.
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  Did any of you watch the Tom Baker years when that came out
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  yesterday told by a cat watching a load of clips of himself and
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  having a great time doing it. And trying to remember, well one
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  planet of evil comes up, it's a clip from episode 4, where is
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  going? Is this what it says?
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  because my We watched that episode of Star Trek when we
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  were studying Jekyll and Hyde, because my a level English
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  teacher was a huge fan of the original series Star Trek.
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  So, she brought the video in and we watched it in class and we
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  were waiting for the moment with the hand, but it's too late.
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  He's gone. It's super clever that bit
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  because obviously, it's been established what that lever
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  does. So he's there trying to commit
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  suicide. And then we know he's been fully
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  taken over by the antimatter creature.
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  When he actually goes, no, Oh yes, you know, but it's all
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  done. There's no dialogue is not, it's
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  not talking down to people. You just figure it out.
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  What's the action that's playing out?
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  I like that. It's treating the audience with
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  a bit of intelligence. Yeah.
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  You know, it's none of that. He was the doctor all the time,
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  you know, like blog. He's got to be stopped.
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  Yes, Tom because if because if he shoots sons in with that they
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  all get mobilized. Hmm, nobody taking down email or
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  however many. He said, yes, here's a live
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  reading in a minute though. It kind of goes, no solemn are,
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  don't use the atomic accelerate all as well.
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  I ate just sounds a bit bored by here.
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  Yeah, well, this is a point where you Said that you've said
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  that several times, is this simple, ridiculous things that
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  don't make any sense several times and you've just kind of
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  had enough I suppose. Oh, here we go social effect.
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  Now when high end of this effect, this was a bit on the
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  Tom Baker your statement Tom sees this button that you know
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  if it's all because yield is something sudden the corner is.
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  Yeah. And he literally just whatever's
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  the eyes go even wider that though.
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  Yes. Perhaps, you didn't sit, maybe
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  you didn't see it. The first timer.
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  I mean, we don't know if you want, But don't they have about
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  that sort of that special effect where you sort of like Sorenson
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  splitting off. It's not something they do in
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  sort of like 70s music videos like Bohemian Rhapsody.
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  Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Yeah, I live absolutely tells
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  you what's going on as well, doesn't it?
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  Yeah. I need an ND saying you things
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  could get worse. I don't believe.
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  It's their ever said enough as well.
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  I think we all adore Visions. Get this point I already did.
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  He's found is good. It's almost like it's a, the
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  moral of the story is, don't be a salomeh, be a visit to be of a
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  schinsky. It's nothing else you and you
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  get to survive to the end credits after that's always good
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  advice, you know, don't guess. But yeah, the other thing about
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  wyszynski Z the, the you get the sense that it's support of their
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  there, a military operation, they've come from militaristic
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  society. But talking about that, the
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  novel that you were just talking about and it's a horrible place.
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  Everyone's get getting tortured but this man is part of it.
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  Yeah. So if he's part of it, then that
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  doesn't quite convinced. Does it know?
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  And you've got, you've got the impression that Salim all was
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  the exception rather than the rule.
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  But is that, is it, the novel, making it out that it was the
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  other way around. Actually vicinity was the
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  exception. Well, I think even with a
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  hard-on for violence in the 90s and they fought for everybody
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  wanted and it was just all a bit misjudged with it in with the
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  harm even though he's Quite a sort of you know when a minor
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  character he gets a little bit of dialogue where he saw
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  moaning, but he has to carry the samples back out again.
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  You carrying One Way, carry them back way and just that, gives
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  that little bit of background color to, what could be a very
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  one-dimensional character. So it's and then that in turn
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  makes you feel sad when he gets killed.
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  So yes. Yeah.
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  They think it's. Yeah.
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  You know, Zeta major weapon or ester of being a militaristic.
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  Dictate dictatorship is a bit. Yeah.
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  You you're right. Joe, it completely misses the
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  point. How do you imagine?
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  They do the special effect of that anti, man, because that be
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  a minute ago where he came through the door.
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  They saw a little, like, they were made our silk.
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  It was really, it was the same at the, it was the, the effect
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  that of the creature on the planet.
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  He's now turned into the orange or red.
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  Computer effect, rather than a person it looks really
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  impressive, though. It should look a bit Pony,
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  shouldn't it? Because it doesn't, I'm not
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  sure. But I think they shoot the
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  character shoot, the, the character on all the actor,
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  Honor on the CSO screen and it's sort of the, and if they liked
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  it really brightly or something, and that's how they get the, the
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  outline of it, And the, how you get the sort of the lines of
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  the, you know, so you get the sort of shape of it but not the
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  whole substance of it. Yeah, it might have thought.
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  Looked very awkward on leak that that but lately.
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  Yes, yeah, yeah. Well, it's supposed to be the
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  regression. The regression.
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  Isn't it because he says, he will regress to a brute.
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  So there he is. There's another one.
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  Oh, that's the actual one sailor.
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  Imagine that tighten up on your door for a day, honestly.
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  Two runs his teeth. Oh, that's my life.
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  Must be that, that beaten in bottom, where they make a
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  cocktail, at of all kinds of things that you really shouldn't
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  drink, and he says he's going to call it the Esther rantzen.
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  Why? Because it pulls your gums back
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  over your teeth. Why is he unconscious now?
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  So the doctor shortened him. Yeah, sure.
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  Sure. Him and luckily, luckily, this
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  stunning still at the stun gun still worked on the Anti person,
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  so he's taking the taking them off the ship.
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  I think the original ending for this, they were saying was that
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  Sorenson was supposed to just die.
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  Yeah, and I can't remember if it was Philip Hinchcliffe a robber
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  times or someone said no, no, we should have a more optimistic
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  ending than that. And that's why the characters
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  brought back. I think the most sensible pinch
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  lifia. I was in school.
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  If yeah, Robert of just having killed off, Yeah, he's a pretty
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  flimsy in, as we find out in, get up that hill.
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  But by all accounts, Elizabeth faith and says, in her
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  autobiography, that this was a, such a happy set, like that that
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  everybody involved quite often is, I think the case that people
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  start eight, do that partly is a sort of reaction to doing
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  serious stuff that people just kind of feel almost
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  subconsciously that they're gonna that they got to have a
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  laugh that they going to be get on with each other and have fun
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  Whispering about these Duffer's though because she says that her
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  two favorite stories to work on. The monster a Peloton other.
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  So I'm not saying this is a Duffer but is considered sort of
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  like we said this all the Lesser yeah yeah well sir Peloton and
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  this partly time fly as well. Was a complete Riot to work up
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  or you can imagine that gone. Yeah I think is I mean something
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  you get a script like time flight and then you turn up on
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  the studio day and you've got that set with a false
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  perspective and you've got that little model conquered, that's
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  on the some a tray of sand and dirt.
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  The supposed to be and you get one wheel that looks like it's
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  kind of a Reliant Robin. Let alone a Concorde and I say,
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  bring in the monsters and I was walking towards walking and
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  you're like God or we better ask them just to laugh.
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  Yeah, I'm probably being naive, but they call they call the
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  Janet Fielding refers to those characters that the, the be a
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  crew. As crispin's, boys.
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  What's the time? Do you know what, what's, what's
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  that? Is that?
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  Yes, because all the Us were gay.
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  So okay. Right?
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  Yeah, the guy in EastEnders. Wasn't it was one of them?
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  Yeah, yes, Michael Cashman. Yeah, it's an MP Now, isn't he?
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  Yeah. He was in the EastEnders episode
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  which I didn't watch, but I read about and seen about on Twitter
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  of, but of June. Dr. Cotton's funeral he came,
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  his character came back for that and they let them kiss in that
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  episode because they, yes, let them kiss back in the 80s with
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  the. Yeah, not not eat.
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  I think one of them kissed the other one on the forehead or
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  something in the, in the, in the first episode.
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  I remember it happening at the time.
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  And yes. So he was somebody who I follow
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  follow him on Twitter and he was saying about how it how
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  important it was and how grateful he was that they.
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  And also, I gather that June Brown, from what I read about,
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  her was a great supporter and a lie to her gay colleagues when
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  she's at a time when when other people definitely weren't so
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  they felt that that was appropriate as well.
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  So yeah, here they come, they mount the antenna sort of
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  walking, like, Gumby's out Monty Python They're different like
• 23:22
  organized to me. I don't know if I could see what
• 23:25
  you've made about the oh groans. Yeah, that's the sort of each
• 23:27
  this kind of. Well, it's the thing.
• 23:28
  When people in science fiction, regresses needs the, I play like
• 23:33
  the pro boards. Yes, I like this.
• 23:36
  But coming up with fish and ski and he says The doctor is
• 23:40
  territory like what - yeah, did you know if I do want to be this
• 23:46
  person but when they were a crap in front of the ol.
• 23:49
  Yeah. Did you notice the rock?
• 23:51
  Backdrop was wobbling all over the place.
• 23:54
  No, I didn't really like it. Yeah.
• 23:59
  But then you know they were chucking antimatter around.
• 24:02
  It was still quite. Yeah.
• 24:03
  That's a terrible effect on Rock.
• 24:05
  Yes. Do you think it would look more
• 24:08
  convincing? Fencing.
• 24:09
  If it was all on film, I know this is something that Peter
• 24:11
  Davison. Always says, sure for sure like
• 24:15
  the forest in Creature from the pier and that's all on Phil and
• 24:20
  I just it just looks like it's outside all the time.
• 24:23
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 24:24
  For you kept got lots of contrast in this one with sort
• 24:27
  of the bits that aren't and the bits that are.
• 24:29
  Yeah. And the bits that are look
• 24:30
  amazing and and the bits that aren't look like they're in a TV
• 24:34
  studio. So it's the but I think it might
• 24:36
  be like In the if it was either all it wouldn't necessarily show
• 24:42
  so much, but because you've got both, but like I think even
• 24:46
  though, you know, I will was wobbling when there are fine
• 24:48
  about it. But away from that, I just think
• 24:51
  it is lit sympathetically, and it looks good.
• 24:56
  You just know each other in that, in that ceiling.
• 24:59
  There's also a panels. Did you know his?
• 25:01
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:02
  What the hell? But ceiling pack controls this.
• 25:06
  This was that the same. They have Pertwee Sera or is it
• 25:10
  is a completely new set? The way we use for what 42
• 25:13
  stories think, it's new? I think not sure the Sarah think
• 25:19
  he's dead again. Yeah, yeah, she's always doing
• 25:22
  that. And she yeah.
• 25:23
  So to be fair to her, she'd only just got to know him and he
• 25:29
  nearly died and then regenerated.
• 25:31
  So it does make a joke of it. I'm pyramids of Mars.
• 25:34
  Where? Yeah, well I was dead, didn't
• 25:36
  you? Yeah, you're always do.
• 25:37
  In that, I love the fact that Liz's Sarah is looking very sort
• 25:42
  of Uncertain like yeah, looking back is.
• 25:44
  Yeah, yeah, I thought we were shot of him honestly.
• 25:50
  Oh yes. Threatened her and turn into the
• 25:55
  apprehension. You get the impression that he's
• 25:58
  lost. He's met all these memories been
• 26:00
  affected by this change back because he's very some point of
• 26:05
  told ya. We're not thinking that
• 26:08
  perception that yeah. Isn't it?
• 26:21
  I like the fact that he goes. So know you were going on about
• 26:24
  the kinetic power of planetary forces.
• 26:27
  One you. Yes, thoughts.
• 26:30
  Yeah. Oh yes yes I was well fellows
• 26:35
  and Ladies. Sorry that is the end of our
• 26:40
  planet of evil Voyage. I'm going to ask you all now to
• 26:44
  summarize your thoughts on the story and we'll start with the
• 26:48
  Magnificent, Dave Rennie? So on, you're not asking us to
• 26:52
  do for free things, each same figure, 12 things at some point
• 26:57
  tonight. I think it's great.
• 27:27
  I like this sets the performances, the actors are all
• 27:31
  really completely committed to the roles.
• 27:35
  Especially Sorensen is just brilliant and very subtle and
• 27:40
  building to Completely unsubtle, but the way that he's the
• 27:46
  personality of his character sort of degenerates, as the as
• 27:49
  the jaw bone goes on. And also the way that that we
• 27:53
  are slightly ahead of the other characters in knowing what's
• 27:55
  going to happen. So you get more Jeopardy that
• 27:57
  way. So one point one of them will
• 28:00
  say, well if this happens and you know, it's already happened
• 28:04
  if he's got the added. Well, yes, he already has.
• 28:06
  So that increases the Jeopardy and and the regulars are what
• 28:10
  the two regulars are. Fabulous as always.
• 28:13
  So yeah. I really like it and the
• 28:15
  gorgeous, mr. Daniel Noid.
• 28:18
  Not much, I can add to that. Um, well that's right.
• 28:21
  Another is I what are the things about this is that it does have
• 28:24
  a very good ending and that's something that some stories in
• 28:28
  the Hinchcliffe era. Don't, it's either, you know,
• 28:33
  sort of a little bit convenient oh it that's the time control
• 28:37
  from the Tardis or something like that or it's just it you
• 28:40
  know, just everything, you know, is blown up but it's quite a
• 28:45
  quite a good ending and it's a good ending that To show that,
• 28:50
  you know, when Sorenson survives, I think that's it.
• 28:53
  But I think that was a good, a good call from from Hinchcliffe
• 28:57
  to because it gives it a bit bit of a, an optimistic end because
• 29:00
  it is very dark. And, you know, everyone else in
• 29:03
  the cast is, is killed off, but it's very well directed.
• 29:08
  It's very well written, the acting is great, you've got, you
• 29:11
  know, Tom and Liz, absolutely, having a ball and, you know,
• 29:15
  working off each other working so well, Well together, what's
• 29:20
  not to like it's not wretched at all and I hope so.
• 29:23
  If you're listening to this, that we hoped but I hope we've
• 29:26
  managed to persuade, you just to give it one more chance.
• 29:29
  You think you've got our job of what?
• 29:31
  Come after all three of y'all, I'll just say that.
• 29:35
  I think it's kind of easy for Doctor Who to generate a lot of
• 29:38
  atmosphere in history. I think it's very easy for
• 29:40
  Doctor Who to generate a lot of atmosphere in contemporary
• 29:43
  settings. I think it's very hard and I
• 29:46
  think they fudge it. A Other time when they go into
• 29:49
  the future, I think Android invasion is a good example of
• 29:53
  that, and it's all very creepy when it appears to be on
• 29:55
  contemporary Earth, then you can go into the crawl, space ship
• 29:57
  and it all the atmosphere basically just floats away.
• 30:01
  But this is a really creepy genuinely atmospheric science
• 30:06
  fiction story. And then show just how it can be
• 30:09
  done. And certainly was like, the
• 30:10
  design as well. The design work is on another
• 30:13
  level and this story and it shows what can be done with a
• 30:16
  doctor who budget with a little bit.
• 30:17
  Of imagination and a bloody good director.
• 30:21
  Yeah, fantastic stuff. Yeah.
• 30:22
  I'm our Christmas story for nothing.
• 30:24
  You know. Well, I have to say, just thank
• 30:28
  you very much to all three of you.
• 30:29
  I feel like this has been an unparalleled success most
• 30:32
  handsome thought so and the least amount of work I've ever
• 30:36
  had to do for like a holidays. Wonderful, I'm hoping I can
• 30:43
  twist your arm to do another one of these but let's talk on the
• 30:46
  chat and see if there's another Story that we can, we can all
• 30:49
  agree on. But yeah, Dave, thank you very
• 30:53
  much. My pleasure.
• 30:55
  Thanks for calling me back. Yeah, no, I won't be hauled out
• 30:58
  onto your podcast sooner. I okay.
• 31:01
  Thank you very much Lucy. Thank you.
• 31:04
  Thank you, Daniel. Thank you.
• 31:05
  All thank you very much. Have a great time.
• 31:07
  Thanks. Until next time.