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Twister (1996) and Twisters (2024) with Closeted History and Schizophrenic Reads · Left of the Projector

• 1:29
  Evan: Nathan and Destiny, thank you both for being here today.
• 1:32
  Destiny: Yeah, thanks for having me on.
• 1:34
  Nathan: Thanks so much for having us.
• 1:35
  Evan: Yes, yes. And as I was mentioning in the opening, we were talking about the
• 1:40
  Evan: 1996 film Twister and by extension the 2024 sequel, remake, something from this year, 2024.
• 1:51
  Evan: And I have back on the show, I have Destiny from Closet History.
• 1:55
  Evan: And I have Nathan, the host of Schizophrenic Reads.
• 1:59
  Evan: Do you want to maybe tell us about your podcast briefly before we talk about
• 2:04
  Evan: storms and weather and wind?
• 2:08
  Destiny: All right. Sure. Thank you. So, yeah, as Evan mentioned, I have a podcast.
• 2:15
  Destiny: It's called Closeted History.
• 2:17
  Destiny: And we talk about queer and trans history from a leftist perspective.
• 2:22
  Destiny: Perspective, just trying to, you know, build more awareness and share some of
• 2:28
  Destiny: our stories with the rest of the community.
• 2:30
  Nathan: And my podcast is called Schizophrenic Reads. It is just a nonfiction book podcast
• 2:36
  Nathan: where I talk to authors and readers of nonfiction books that I really like.
• 2:39
  Nathan: It's temporarily on hiatus, but there's a bunch of back catalog and it'll be
• 2:44
  Nathan: coming back someday, maybe at some point.
• 2:46
  Nathan: I'm still reading books, but just trying to find time to record.
• 2:49
  Nathan: And so I'm never going to stop talking about books. So eventually you'll see
• 2:53
  Nathan: more episodes in the feed.
• 2:55
  Evan: Yes. But you can also check out, you know, both of your your content aside,
• 2:59
  Evan: as you said, from from the podcast.
• 3:01
  Evan: And it's funny, I was just looking at your story about a book that I guess is
• 3:05
  Evan: from this year that you're about to start.
• 3:06
  Evan: And I'm like, oh, man, I have not heard of that book. And I just wrote it down.
• 3:09
  Evan: It was when the clock broke that you just posted about. I was like,
• 3:12
  Evan: oh, man, that sounds really awesome.
• 3:13
  Nathan: Yeah, it's about like conspiracy theories in the 1990s. And it's it's like it's
• 3:18
  Nathan: it's amazing so far. I've only been through the introduction,
• 3:21
  Nathan: but I'm already like completely fixed. I had to drop it to get on this call.
• 3:25
  Evan: That sounds like my exact kind of kind of thing.
• 3:28
  Evan: But for the purposes of this podcast, we'll be talking about the Twister movies, as I mentioned.
• 3:34
  Evan: And I thought as a, you know, fun joke to start, I was I like I don't usually do this.
• 3:40
  Evan: I was reading the tagline that IMDb give, which is different from the actual
• 3:44
  Evan: movie tagline, I think. and then whatever there was on the poster. And so...
• 3:49
  Evan: I actually rewatched it just before we came on the original from 1996.
• 3:54
  Evan: And it says that the tagline is two storm chasers on the brink of divorce must
• 3:59
  Evan: work together to create an advanced weather alert system by putting themselves
• 4:03
  Evan: in the crosshairs of extremely violent tornadoes, which I suppose is pretty accurate.
• 4:09
  Evan: And I'm curious if the studio hired you to write one for the sequel.
• 4:13
  Evan: I guess we'll call it a sequel. It is a sequel, but loosely based on the original
• 4:17
  Evan: with some nods. you know what would you uh what would you come up with and it
• 4:21
  Evan: could be a terrible version.
• 4:23
  Nathan: Well i think my tagline for the first movie if
• 4:26
  Nathan: i have to rewrite the tagline for the first movie i would just
• 4:29
  Nathan: simply ask does wind make you horny because
• 4:32
  Nathan: i think that's really like the essence of twister you
• 4:35
  Nathan: know the the the original movie but if i had
• 4:38
  Nathan: to um i had to do the tagline in
• 4:41
  Nathan: the same respect for twisters the the
• 4:44
  Nathan: new sequel I would probably ask you know a respectably are you horny for cowboys
• 4:52
  Nathan: because I think really this it goes beyond just like the phenomenon of wind
• 4:56
  Nathan: this is really a this is a southern epic story I think in some sense and cowboys are kind of the crux of,
• 5:03
  Nathan: the whole machinations of what's happening in that film so i think it changes
• 5:08
  Nathan: slightly but i think those are really that's really the heart of the issue of
• 5:11
  Nathan: of why we watch these movies i think horny.
• 5:14
  Destiny: Weather uh i don't know if i can top that um maybe for the first one just we've
• 5:22
  Destiny: got cows And then for the sequel, quote unquote,
• 5:28
  Destiny: what's the line that Tyler says?
• 5:33
  Destiny: You don't face your fears, you ride them.
• 5:38
  Evan: Yeah, I hadn't considered it as being like such a hard on the cowboy thing,
• 5:42
  Evan: but we'll definitely we'll talk about that.
• 5:45
  Evan: And I guess we'll also talk about whether it's actually a sequel or it's just
• 5:48
  Evan: kind of like, I don't know, like a reimagining in modern times.
• 5:52
  Evan: I guess it doesn't really make much difference.
• 5:56
  Evan: But I guess to start on the first movie, given it's been, let's see,
• 6:01
  Evan: 30 years. Is this the 30-year anniversary?
• 6:03
  Evan: I guess that was the way they did it, bringing out 30 years.
• 6:06
  Evan: Do you think the original... Let's forget about the CGI and some of the ridiculous
• 6:10
  Evan: goofs and things that turn and spin the wrong way.
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  Evan: Do you think that the first one holds up as just a classic 90s disaster era film?
• 6:18
  Destiny: I mean, yeah, I think so. I'm as I already shared with both of you.
• 6:23
  Destiny: I'm very partial to the movie, but I think that it holds up.
• 6:27
  Destiny: I think that it has like a pretty solid story, really great side characters
• 6:33
  Destiny: that become part of the movie.
• 6:34
  Destiny: And it's just like a summer blockbuster disaster movie definitely represents its time as well.
• 6:42
  Destiny: So I feel like it holds up today.
• 6:45
  Nathan: I feel like it's almost aged better than you would kind of expect.
• 6:50
  Nathan: And we'll talk about some of the visual aspects of this movie, but it's grimy.
• 6:55
  Nathan: It's heartfelt. It's interesting. It's sexy.
• 6:59
  Nathan: It's got basically this often compelling character like moments throughout the
• 7:04
  Nathan: film that it never like lends itself to just being a disaster movie.
• 7:08
  Nathan: It's very much like a humor, human centered story.
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  Nathan: And I think throughout it, you can like wildly cheer for the characters as much
• 7:16
  Nathan: as you can cheer for the like the storms to tear shit up.
• 7:19
  Nathan: So So I think it's just like a perfect summer blockbuster in some sense.
• 7:23
  Nathan: And yeah, I think it's one of those, you know, one of those 90s kind of movies
• 7:29
  Nathan: that I would still rewatch, you know, 10 years from now.
• 7:32
  Nathan: And it's definitely like in, I would say, kind of the pantheon of best disaster
• 7:37
  Nathan: movies of all time, because I think disaster movies, by and large,
• 7:41
  Nathan: have often been, you know, phenomenons of the moment, and then they are,
• 7:45
  Nathan: they are completely forgettable.
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  Nathan: And so this one is just one that I think like has it stuck.
• 7:49
  Nathan: It stuck the landing in such a way that it's still watchable,
• 7:52
  Nathan: you know, almost 30 years later.
• 7:54
  Evan: Yeah, I don't think you can say that about like Armageddon or something like
• 7:57
  Evan: that. I'm not a Armageddon.
• 7:59
  Destiny: 2012.
• 8:00
  Evan: Yeah, like there was so many of those movies. I actually had forgotten that
• 8:04
  Evan: there was a made for TV movie by Fox called Tornadoes that was released the
• 8:08
  Evan: same year as Twister as, you know, some attempt to just, I don't know, run off of that.
• 8:13
  Evan: I couldn't find it online in my like two minutes of looking.
• 8:16
  Evan: I'm sure that exists somewhere.
• 8:17
  Evan: I don't remember watching, but I remember them promoting it. And yeah,
• 8:20
  Evan: I mean, I think that the talking about the first one being like kind of grimy and very,
• 8:24
  Evan: I don't know, it's like all of the scenes as you know, the it starts off like
• 8:29
  Evan: both films have kind of like the first similar opening in the sense of having the main character,
• 8:34
  Evan: you know, have a tragic event from their childhood of losing their case of Twister, her father,
• 8:40
  Evan: and then the case of Twister is like a bunch of her friends.
• 8:42
  Evan: And actually, this is a fact that I just learned that I have to share because it was crazy.
• 8:46
  Evan: So do you know who plays her as a child in the movie? I just learned this.
• 8:50
  Destiny: Alexa Vega?
• 8:51
  Evan: Alexa Vega, who is the, so you already know this. So she was in all the Spy
• 8:56
  Evan: Kid movies, but her father was a CIA informant.
• 9:00
  Destiny: Oh, shit.
• 9:00
  Evan: That was a little nugget that I learned today that I don't know.
• 9:03
  Evan: Not that it makes any, that makes no difference to this conversation other than
• 9:06
  Evan: I just thought that was an interesting fact.
• 9:09
  Destiny: I mean, that makes Spy Kids a little bit weirder.
• 9:12
  Evan: That would be a perfect nugget to bring up if I ever discuss Spy Kids,
• 9:16
  Evan: which I know the perfect person would.
• 9:18
  Destiny: You got to bring Thomas on for.
• 9:19
  Evan: Yeah, you're in my mind. He's the Spy Kid expert. But yeah, so I mean.
• 9:25
  Destiny: Yeah, they love that movie.
• 9:25
  Evan: But I think you're right, Nathan. And I think it's like very kind of,
• 9:28
  Evan: um, it feels like very much like trapped in that mid nineties kind of,
• 9:33
  Evan: uh, like nineties magic of summer blockbuster.
• 9:35
  Evan: Like the, the new one just didn't have that same feeling.
• 9:38
  Evan: It was like very polished and shiny.
• 9:42
  Evan: And I don't know, like everyone, no, no one is like sweating,
• 9:45
  Evan: you know, in the original, you see everyone kind of like the first instance
• 9:48
  Evan: when you see, um, what is the actor's name? I would, we were just talking about this earlier.
• 9:52
  Evan: Uh, Philip Seymour Hoffman, like he's just dressed in like grimy clothes.
• 9:55
  Evan: Like it fits his character perfectly his name's dusty like everything about
• 9:59
  Evan: the original is just um just perfect i love it i'm.
• 10:03
  Destiny: Glad that you agree.
• 10:04
  Evan: Yeah i mean i watched it maybe a few weeks ago when we first talked about doing
• 10:09
  Evan: the episode maybe it was right around when i saw the the new one and then i
• 10:13
  Evan: watched it earlier today i'm like man this is um i've also watched a bunch of
• 10:16
  Evan: bill paxton movies recently and i also just love bill paxton too such a good yeah that's.
• 10:22
  Destiny: Actually that's It's my Hollywood dad. My dad used to look like him whenever
• 10:27
  Destiny: he was younger and not overweight and going bald.
• 10:33
  Destiny: But yeah, he used to look just like Bill Paxton. So I used to call him my Hollywood dad.
• 10:40
  Evan: I don't know. I don't know if there's other things about the first one that...
• 10:45
  Evan: I mean, I guess we can talk about it in general.
• 10:47
  Evan: But one of the things I was thinking about too is the beginning of the film
• 10:50
  Evan: after the kind of the opening when you know it flashes to the
• 10:53
  Evan: modern moment and you have you know bill paxton's character
• 10:56
  Evan: you know going to see you know helen
• 10:59
  Evan: hunt did i say helen hunt that's not who i meant to say that's her
• 11:02
  Evan: helen hunt yeah i yeah helen hunt and that like goes to the tagline of like
• 11:07
  Evan: you know he needs to have her sign the divorce papers he's with his new you
• 11:10
  Evan: know his new uh fiance or whatever and like the music in the background i like
• 11:15
  Evan: i wish i had i didn't do any real research into the soundtrack other than who had written it.
• 11:21
  Evan: But it's like, it's I don't know, it's like very light rock sounding.
• 11:25
  Evan: I don't know, it just the score was really, was really awesome.
• 11:29
  Evan: And it fit perfectly with all like the slow kind of building of the movie.
• 11:33
  Evan: So maybe I'll stop talking and let you both talk about the original movie.
• 11:36
  Nathan: I think the soundtrack from both of these movies is something like that I have come to really enjoy.
• 11:43
  Nathan: I think the I think there's something about like the tonal shift between these two projects.
• 11:48
  Nathan: And there is more of kind of this like
• 11:51
  Nathan: ambiance that has set with the the original twister
• 11:54
  Nathan: movie that i think like lends itself to kind of the more horror
• 11:57
  Nathan: aspects of what this movie is because i think it is
• 12:00
  Nathan: it's certainly a blockbuster but i think it like probably blends into
• 12:03
  Nathan: the horror genre a little bit neater than the twisters sequel does however the
• 12:08
  Nathan: twister sequel very much falls in line with like the cowboy essence of it because
• 12:13
  Nathan: it is almost essentially the entire album is uh made for the movie songs from
• 12:19
  Nathan: like the up and comers of the new wave of country music.
• 12:22
  Nathan: And so it kind of puts this perfect, you know, tonal like shift into this pop
• 12:27
  Nathan: kind of country, like country rock, like festivity in some sense.
• 12:33
  Nathan: And so you have like the rodeo scenes, but you also have like quieter moments with ballads playing.
• 12:37
  Nathan: And so these soundtracks are very different and distinctly unique to each individual
• 12:43
  Nathan: movie, which I absolutely love.
• 12:45
  Nathan: And so I think for me, I've really fallen in love with the new wave of country music.
• 12:51
  Nathan: So I was ecstatic when we had some like, unique songs from Tyler Childers and
• 12:56
  Nathan: things like Charlie Crockett blasting at the very end of the movie.
• 12:59
  Nathan: And so that was something that just like, I think, amps the audience up where
• 13:04
  Nathan: in Twister, to the movie, the first movie, it's more about like setting you
• 13:09
  Nathan: kind of tonally back from the movie.
• 13:11
  Nathan: And so I think like, both serve their purpose, because I think these movies,
• 13:15
  Nathan: while being sequels, I think are much more of just like IP sequels.
• 13:19
  Nathan: And they're not really like, I think even I would call into question like the
• 13:23
  Nathan: idea of spiritual sequels, because I think they have like different kind of
• 13:27
  Nathan: tonal focuses of these projects.
• 13:29
  Destiny: Yeah, yeah, I really like the the score for the first one.
• 13:33
  Destiny: I think that it's like, almost like a character of
• 13:36
  Destiny: its own within the movie because it like it really does
• 13:39
  Destiny: help tell the story um and
• 13:42
  Destiny: van halen did some of the songs for the movie so you know you can obviously
• 13:46
  Destiny: see the the rock influence there with the second one the sequel that i i don't
• 13:54
  Destiny: even personally really like country all that much i i feel like i'm really picky
• 13:59
  Destiny: about the kind of country that i
• 14:01
  Destiny: like to listen to and like i enjoyed it it felt very um very like indicative
• 14:07
  Destiny: of like the the region and the message that like they were trying to send and
• 14:12
  Destiny: definitely with like the cowboy uh imagery i i thought that it was really well done as well i.
• 14:19
  Evan: Saw just now that it reached the number three on the country billboard charts
• 14:23
  Evan: the the um the album i guess or the soundtrack of the new one And the first
• 14:28
  Evan: one, the soundtrack from the original sold over, it went gold.
• 14:31
  Evan: It sold 500,000 copies, which that.
• 14:35
  Evan: Now it doesn't surprise me. I feel like in other episodes, Nathan,
• 14:39
  Evan: we've done, I think it was when we were talking about the original Twilight
• 14:41
  Evan: movie, we always end up getting into the soundtracks.
• 14:44
  Evan: I had also looked at the main song, the Van Halen track was recorded for this,
• 14:52
  Evan: which I didn't realize, I guess, that they were recording music in 1996.
• 14:56
  Evan: Maybe I don't remember when. I don't know my Van Halen history, I guess.
• 14:59
  Evan: But looking through the people on this, it has Van Halen, Lisa Loeb,
• 15:03
  Evan: Goo Goo Dolls, Shania Twain, Stevie Nicks.
• 15:06
  Evan: It has a lot of classic Soul Asylum.
• 15:09
  Evan: It has a lot of albums or bands you would expect to see.
• 15:13
  Evan: And it fits perfectly with everything that happens, like the songs that are
• 15:17
  Evan: playing when they're in their car driving and when they're in the town and everything. It's all perfect.
• 15:24
  Evan: And I think that actually brings me to a point that I was going to mention that
• 15:26
  Evan: you said, Nathan, is that it's not really a sequel.
• 15:29
  Evan: It's really just kind kind of going off of an IP, you know, and I think that's,
• 15:33
  Evan: I think we discussed this in one of our other episodes too.
• 15:35
  Evan: Maybe I don't remember which one, but just about how movies nowadays are either
• 15:39
  Evan: like a sequel or from an IP, their remakes, which I guess is,
• 15:44
  Evan: this is not a remake, you know, superhero movies.
• 15:46
  Evan: And then, you know, some other movies that kind of the, whatever is left after
• 15:51
  Evan: those three are completed.
• 15:52
  Evan: And I don't know, I don't, I didn't really like any of the little nods they
• 15:56
  Evan: tried to put for the original,
• 15:59
  Evan: twister in twisters and i didn't feel like calling it kind of just like its
• 16:03
  Evan: own separate movie about twisters i think it's a better way to do it than say
• 16:07
  Evan: it's a sequel because it's just not.
• 16:09
  Destiny: Well i think that like i was watching some behind the scenes stuff for the the
• 16:14
  Destiny: new movie and that's kind of the way that they're like pitching it is that it
• 16:19
  Destiny: is an entirely different movie that they've you know like given their nods by
• 16:24
  Destiny: adding in some of the easter eggs but that sorry i'm gonna let
• 16:27
  Destiny: that car go by but they said that
• 16:30
  Destiny: you know it is a separate movie and they have some of the easter eggs that you
• 16:35
  Destiny: know kind of nod to the first one but at least from my understanding is that
• 16:40
  Destiny: you know they're trying to pitch it as like a different movie which i guess
• 16:43
  Destiny: technically it does have a different title so it works but i don't know yeah.
• 16:48
  Evan: What will the third one be called because i hear they're already thinking of
• 16:51
  Evan: another one is it like twister sisters.
• 16:53
  Destiny: Are you serious yeah.
• 16:55
  Nathan: I'm sure it'll It'll be like Twister's Doomsday or something,
• 16:58
  Nathan: you know, it'll be a one word title with a one word subtitle is kind of what I guess.
• 17:02
  Nathan: But this is my like best case scenario for what the the genre of spiritual or IP sequels can be.
• 17:10
  Nathan: Honestly, not to say this is like a perfect movie, but this is not a movie that
• 17:14
  Nathan: is solely focused on being produced in order to cater to the crowd of people
• 17:19
  Nathan: wanting just Easter eggs.
• 17:22
  Nathan: Like there's a couple in there but they're minor and they're
• 17:25
  Nathan: like not huge parts of the plot you can go into
• 17:28
  Nathan: this movie without seeing the first it doesn't really matter so not
• 17:32
  Nathan: everything in this movie hinges on the success of the first one I think really
• 17:37
  Nathan: this is just like in economics simply put it's just like the fastest way they
• 17:42
  Nathan: could ensure that people would go watch this movie like they were just ensuring
• 17:45
  Nathan: their audience more than they were like doing anything in order to you know
• 17:51
  Nathan: control the audience expectations and and really
• 17:54
  Nathan: what you have is this is ultimately like whatever
• 17:57
  Nathan: plot lines that you would say are like similar in some
• 18:00
  Nathan: fashion are also basically just similar across the
• 18:03
  Nathan: disaster movie pantheon like i i think it's more so that a lot of these man
• 18:08
  Nathan: versus nature like lineages have kind of a similar storytelling method and so
• 18:13
  Nathan: there yeah there you can talk about the similarities all you want but i think
• 18:17
  Nathan: these are um i think tonally and also just like.
• 18:21
  Nathan: Aesthetically these are very distinctly different movies and i
• 18:24
  Nathan: think a lot of us that are big movie fans are so sick
• 18:28
  Nathan: and tired of sequels we were just like
• 18:31
  Nathan: kind of fed up like maybe we went and saw i went and saw the wolverine uh deadpool
• 18:37
  Nathan: movie and i just i couldn't get myself to fucking care about it at all but twisters
• 18:41
  Nathan: you know it's a 30 year sequel but it was actually like fun and unique And they
• 18:45
  Nathan: told an interesting story with interesting characters that are like unique to this plot.
• 18:49
  Nathan: And so, yeah, I think as long as Hollywood is transfixed on needing IP,
• 18:55
  Nathan: this is how I would want them to use IP.
• 18:57
  Nathan: Like if you're going to use it, at least, you know, invent characters,
• 19:01
  Nathan: invent a story, invent situations that are not just pulled exactly thread by
• 19:06
  Nathan: thread from the original.
• 19:08
  Nathan: And luckily, I think that's what we got. And so I, I mean, at least in some
• 19:13
  Nathan: sense, I just appreciate it that they did try to be original,
• 19:17
  Nathan: because a lot of movies, a lot of sequels out there aren't even there's really almost no attempts.
• 19:22
  Nathan: It's like some things are almost shot for shot what they were 30 years ago.
• 19:26
  Nathan: And this is, you know, this is people at least making an attempt at reintroducing
• 19:32
  Nathan: the like disaster genre into, I think, a more serious thing,
• 19:36
  Nathan: because we had the Roland Emmerich movies of like the 2010s.
• 19:39
  Nathan: And those were just like schlock to the
• 19:42
  Nathan: extent that uh roland emmerich i don't know
• 19:44
  Nathan: is even directing anymore like i i can't tell you
• 19:47
  Nathan: the last thing he did and i think it's just because he made like
• 19:50
  Nathan: seven movies in a row that like fucking nobody cared about and so it's nice
• 19:55
  Nathan: to see um especially like the genre of climate fiction or climate change movies
• 20:00
  Nathan: uh which we can get into like the philosophy of that which i think you're gonna
• 20:05
  Nathan: have a point on but um i think we just need more of those. I think we need more nature stories.
• 20:10
  Nathan: And so I was fucking pumped to go to this. I had like the highest expectations possible.
• 20:15
  Nathan: And for the most part, like I walked away like, yeah, it was fucking cool.
• 20:18
  Nathan: Like movie of the summer. Like I was glad I saw it.
• 20:21
  Nathan: Encourage my friends to go see it because ultimately, like, you can have a lot
• 20:24
  Nathan: of interesting conversations about like, how we like conceptualize and talk
• 20:28
  Nathan: about climate change and nature and all that type of stuff. But you can also
• 20:31
  Nathan: just like enjoy this because it's a silly thing.
• 20:34
  Nathan: Kind of fun time with uh seeing some sexy people uh really try their hardest
• 20:40
  Nathan: not to get blown over in the wind
• 20:41
  Nathan: and i like that's that's good enough for me too as a as a moviegoer do.
• 20:45
  Evan: You think this the second one was going for a different audience
• 20:48
  Evan: being that it kind of had this more country tone to
• 20:50
  Evan: it than the original which i think was just you know
• 20:53
  Evan: summer blockbuster it made 500 million dollar 500 million dollars the first
• 20:58
  Evan: one the new one made 350 but still not you know it didn't make quite as much
• 21:03
  Evan: on the original budget but do you think it's like a different audience or you
• 21:07
  Evan: think they're still just going for anyone who will see summer blockbuster trying
• 21:10
  Evan: to bring that back i don't know i think like in a demographic.
• 21:12
  Nathan: Sense no it's kind of like the both of these and often summer movies are are
• 21:17
  Nathan: solely situated on the backs of like late teenagers and early 20 year olds like
• 21:22
  Nathan: that that's just like kind of the prime demographic for these types of movies
• 21:25
  Nathan: um but i think like Specifically,
• 21:28
  Nathan: this movie is speaking more to the interests of the teenagers.
• 21:34
  Nathan: So it's not just about retaining the audience that was built with Twister.
• 21:39
  Nathan: It's about telling the story that young 20-year-olds now and not the 50-year-olds
• 21:43
  Nathan: that would be that would have loved the first one.
• 21:46
  Nathan: It's about still finding that young audience for this one.
• 21:48
  Destiny: I think also that the director definitely had kind of a hand in that.
• 21:54
  Destiny: Lee isaac chung he also directed minari
• 21:58
  Destiny: um and so which i've never seen but i have heard really good things about and
• 22:03
  Destiny: the score is beautiful but i think that because that movie is also about oklahoma
• 22:09
  Destiny: as well right yeah so i think that like just in the way that he represented oklahoma both
• 22:17
  Destiny: in Minari and in this movie that like,
• 22:20
  Destiny: you know, it did kind of speak to, um,
• 22:23
  Destiny: to an audience that may not have
• 22:25
  Destiny: been necessarily like really targeted previously, if that makes sense.
• 22:30
  Nathan: When I think even by like putting the story like in Oklahoma and obviously tornado
• 22:35
  Nathan: alley, you can't really like tell your story really beyond the borders of that.
• 22:39
  Nathan: But it's a like, it's a movie that feels like it actually is shot there.
• 22:42
  Nathan: Like, and I know a lot of it was so, So but it's like one of those movies that
• 22:46
  Nathan: I mean, I think you watch a lot of big blockbusters and they're like,
• 22:49
  Nathan: we're in New York City and you're like, you're in nondescript city.
• 22:51
  Nathan: This city has no character.
• 22:53
  Nathan: You're on a soundstage or if you're
• 22:55
  Nathan: not on a soundstage, you're in fucking Toronto like we we know you are.
• 22:59
  Nathan: And this one was like, oh, this like especially the kind of the nature shots
• 23:03
  Nathan: of like the plains of Oklahoma.
• 23:05
  Nathan: And I think they used a lot of like Northwest Texas in it as well.
• 23:09
  Nathan: But it actually feels like they took the time to film on location.
• 23:13
  Nathan: And I know it's like silly and pedantic but that's like a high mark of blockbuster cinema.
• 23:19
  Evan: It never happens anymore.
• 23:20
  Nathan: Yeah, it never happens anymore. They're not on whatever the Disney plus people are using. They're like
• 23:25
  Nathan: your fucking tube thing or whatever and they're not green screening every fucking
• 23:30
  Nathan: shot in the movie like it's like oh they they spent some time literally outdoors
• 23:35
  Nathan: and it's like i gotta give them a hand for that because so many other movies
• 23:40
  Nathan: are are just ignoring the like the beautiful part of filmmaking i.
• 23:44
  Destiny: Think that that kind of like is a a nod to the first movie because there was
• 23:49
  Destiny: so much practical, like use of practical effects in the first movie.
• 23:54
  Destiny: And I really, really enjoyed the balance that they had in this movie,
• 23:59
  Destiny: because I was afraid that, you know, because of today's climate in Hollywood,
• 24:04
  Destiny: that it would they would rely too heavily on CGI.
• 24:07
  Destiny: But I was very pleasantly surprised that they did film a lot of it on location as well. Yeah.
• 24:13
  Evan: And part of that was, I think, I know that the director you mentioned,
• 24:16
  Evan: And the original movie was filmed mostly on location, even though they didn't
• 24:20
  Evan: want to because it was obviously cheaper to film it somewhere else.
• 24:24
  Evan: And that was the same thing.
• 24:25
  Evan: I think they filmed most of it just, you know, of it was doing all the driving
• 24:29
  Evan: scenes through over a dozen different, you know, towns in Oklahoma.
• 24:33
  Evan: Like, I have to also agree.
• 24:35
  Evan: I think you don't see that kind of thing anymore. Like everything is filmed
• 24:38
  Evan: in, you know, British Columbia or Georgia or, you know, in a studio.
• 24:42
  Evan: And to actually do it that way, I mean, it gives the movie more of a – you actually
• 24:46
  Evan: feel like you're in Oklahoma during the movie as opposed to it just being nonsense.
• 24:53
  Evan: And I wonder actually if the only parts that wasn't filmed on location were
• 24:57
  Evan: like the New York scenes at the beginning of the movie when they go to her –
• 25:02
  Evan: she's working at, I guess, NOAA in New York City.
• 25:04
  Evan: And I wonder if that was actually just filmed in a set or something.
• 25:08
  Evan: But the Oklahoma scenes all were pretty good. Good. And I actually,
• 25:11
  Evan: unlike you, Nathan, I went in with like really, really low expectations and
• 25:14
  Evan: they were actually, I would say they were exceeded because they were low, but I'd,
• 25:18
  Evan: would say like it's a fun movie and i think it's um you know that brings me
• 25:22
  Evan: back to you know 16 seeing a movie like this in the theater in the summer it
• 25:27
  Evan: was just just that's what i want to see in the summer i.
• 25:29
  Nathan: Also want to give like a little bit of a disclaimer because the trailer for
• 25:32
  Nathan: this movie i think is way way misleading because i think it makes it seem like a uh,
• 25:38
  Nathan: otherworldly disaster film like especially because they've got that line about
• 25:42
  Nathan: like the two tornadoes combining and you think it's going to become this like
• 25:45
  Nathan: thing that like is so far beyond the pale of reality.
• 25:50
  Nathan: And that's not to say it doesn't like break the barrier of reality at some points,
• 25:53
  Nathan: but it never gets into a point of like, we created an EF like 85 tornado.
• 25:59
  Nathan: No, it's like, no, it's still, it's still pretty like grounded in like what
• 26:03
  Nathan: could conceivably happen or probably like what will inevitably happen in our era of climate change.
• 26:09
  Nathan: So that was something I really appreciated because the trailer makes it seem like it's like,
• 26:13
  Nathan: yeah, they might take a rocket to space at some point it's like kind of like
• 26:17
  Nathan: tonally how they represented like the craziness of tornadoes and it's like no
• 26:22
  Nathan: it's actually like they did like a fairly decent job with the science and like it's.
• 26:26
  Evan: Not sharknado or something like that.
• 26:27
  Nathan: Yeah exactly.
• 26:28
  Destiny: The filmmakers actually they said that they
• 26:31
  Destiny: made adjustments to like you know the um the destruction that the tornadoes
• 26:37
  Destiny: would create the winds um that they made adjustments based on um like climate
• 26:44
  Destiny: change and how the environment has really changed and made these storms a lot stronger.
• 26:50
  Destiny: And that, you know, a lot of it was shot in Oklahoma, but Tornado Alley has
• 26:55
  Destiny: actually grown significantly in the last, you know, 30 years since the first movie was made.
• 27:02
  Destiny: And so I really love that they kind of like held true to that and showed weather accurately.
• 27:10
  Destiny: You know, the trailer does kind of like play it up a little bit,
• 27:13
  Destiny: but I think that increasing the destruction and showing the way that climate
• 27:19
  Destiny: change has impacted our storms was a really important point in the movie that I enjoyed.
• 27:24
  Evan: I guess that's a good time to talk. I didn't know that.
• 27:27
  Evan: That's interesting because one of the criticisms, I guess, like the online criticism,
• 27:32
  Evan: even for people who hadn't even seen the movie or just heard about it,
• 27:36
  Evan: was that there was no references at all in the film about climate change,
• 27:41
  Evan: about increasing of tornadoes because of climate change.
• 27:45
  Evan: None of those things were mentioned.
• 27:47
  Evan: But then in part, because that conversation happens and everyone's complaining
• 27:51
  Evan: that there's no mentions of climate change, it ends up bringing up the conversation
• 27:55
  Evan: of weather and climate change.
• 27:58
  Evan: So I guess you end up getting the conversation in some sense.
• 28:01
  Evan: But I don't know what you both make of the lack of doing that.
• 28:05
  Evan: And especially given what you said, at destiny of the director that the movie
• 28:09
  Evan: minari so apparently when he pitched the the sequel he,
• 28:12
  Evan: took scenes from the original Twister and his own movie, Minari,
• 28:16
  Evan: which apparently had like a tornado watch scene in Oklahoma.
• 28:19
  Evan: And that was like his pitch to get the movie made.
• 28:22
  Evan: And then I think Spielberg helped, you know, push it across the finish line.
• 28:25
  Evan: But that's, do you think that these studios just said like, you can't do this?
• 28:30
  Evan: Because it doesn't seem like it's the kind of thing that Lee Isaac Chung would
• 28:34
  Evan: avoid unless he just figured, I don't know. I don't know. What do you think?
• 28:39
  Nathan: Well, I think like one of the important points of this is like,
• 28:42
  Nathan: to me, I've had this same kind of feeling about Civil War and Twisters is both
• 28:51
  Nathan: like essentially these directors set out to make an a political movie.
• 28:55
  Nathan: And that's like what they've talked about in the press.
• 28:57
  Nathan: And it's just not possible. It's not a feasible endeavor to make a political
• 29:03
  Nathan: art, no matter how you frame it.
• 29:06
  Nathan: And in doing so you just make yourself
• 29:09
  Nathan: seem silly uh and and that's ultimately
• 29:12
  Nathan: i think where we found ourselves where i think the director
• 29:15
  Nathan: is being told by shareholders in the you know production companies of like this
• 29:19
  Nathan: isn't a political movie and whether the director like believes that or not and
• 29:24
  Nathan: whether you know the director of uh civil war believe that or not they they
• 29:27
  Nathan: have to go out and say like this is not political and you're like okay okay
• 29:31
  Nathan: i'm gonna going to watch the movie. Oh, it is political.
• 29:33
  Nathan: And there is a moment in Twisters where Daisy Edgar Jones's mom makes reference
• 29:39
  Nathan: to the fact that storms are getting bigger and they're coming more frequently.
• 29:43
  Nathan: So there is kind of like a subtle nod to the actual scientific nature of tornadoes.
• 29:50
  Nathan: But in every real sense, the bad guy of Twisters, to spoil it for people,
• 29:56
  Nathan: is private property ownership.
• 29:59
  Nathan: It's investment firms that are buying up damaged lands.
• 30:02
  Nathan: And if you know anything about what is happening in the climate landscape of
• 30:06
  Nathan: this country, that's literally also what is happening.
• 30:09
  Nathan: It takes a real life situation and buries it in some... They're not talking
• 30:16
  Nathan: about Maoist politics with land reclamation or anything like that.
• 30:20
  Nathan: But it really is very much situated on the realities of what these devastating
• 30:25
  Nathan: effects of climate change are doing.
• 30:27
  Nathan: And it's devastating people's equity by tearing up their home,
• 30:31
  Nathan: insurance companies dropping out of these regions, and then buying the land
• 30:35
  Nathan: for cheap, and then you're left with absolutely nothing.
• 30:37
  Nathan: And so sure, it doesn't have a YouTube video essay five minutes in where it
• 30:44
  Nathan: explains the politics of climate change. But if you just watch the movie...
• 30:49
  Nathan: It is political. It talks about the realities of climate change.
• 30:52
  Nathan: And I think also, I think what people want is this forward and very obvious
• 30:59
  Nathan: political message where I think if anyone actually does any research into climate change,
• 31:05
  Nathan: climate change is a subtle thing. It's a long-term thing.
• 31:08
  Nathan: It's a thing that spans over decades and decades, and it happens in the most
• 31:12
  Nathan: mundane and uninteresting ways.
• 31:14
  Nathan: And sometimes when you pair a disaster story with that, what you have is the
• 31:18
  Nathan: effects of climate change is just people losing their houses.
• 31:21
  Nathan: And that's as serious as it can get.
• 31:23
  Nathan: And those are the stories that I think are also important because those are the very human stories.
• 31:27
  Nathan: So I take a lot of offense to the like, it's not political, because I think
• 31:31
  Nathan: that's a lot of people's way of just shifting the conversation away from the
• 31:37
  Nathan: like, the really kind of boring ways that this is political.
• 31:41
  Evan: Oh, so I was just going to mention briefly is In talking about the villain of
• 31:45
  Evan: Twisters, Anthony Ramos' character, I believe his name is Javi in the movie,
• 31:53
  Evan: he's working for this company or this person who's the one buying up all the land.
• 32:00
  Evan: And the only point I was going to make is it's also very realistic in a sense
• 32:04
  Evan: of someone who's just trying to get by.
• 32:07
  Evan: This is a job he's able to get from this company, having served in the military,
• 32:14
  Evan: and this is what job he's able to get.
• 32:16
  Evan: And he's just kind of looking the other way because this is livelihood for him too.
• 32:22
  Evan: So I think it's very real in the sense that people will work for these companies
• 32:28
  Evan: because they have nothing else. They have no other option.
• 32:30
  Evan: Then the same thing goes with they're going to take advantage of these people.
• 32:35
  Evan: And I think one of the major upcoming issues and problems related to climate
• 32:40
  Evan: change is the loss of land where people can live in, especially in Asia and
• 32:46
  Evan: other places and islands.
• 32:47
  Evan: And there's going to be mass migration. People are going to lose their homes.
• 32:50
  Evan: So the fact that losing their homes is like the thing that they're taking advantage
• 32:53
  Evan: of is actually, as you said, it's like the perfect thing, but it's not like
• 32:57
  Evan: a sexy thing, you know, to talk about.
• 32:59
  Evan: It's not like a, I don't know, I can't think of a better, better thing, but yeah, that's all.
• 33:06
  Destiny: I think that the climate change aspects of the movie kind of speak for themselves.
• 33:13
  Destiny: That, like you said, Nathan, it doesn't necessarily have to be like an in-your-face kind of thing.
• 33:18
  Destiny: And I think that lots of really good political movies subvert these themes.
• 33:24
  Destiny: And that's what makes them fun to analyze and talk about on podcasts.
• 33:30
  Destiny: But visually, I think that,
• 33:33
  Destiny: It's being represented in the way that the storms are much more destructive
• 33:38
  Destiny: and the iconic line from the second movie of, we got twins.
• 33:47
  Destiny: The storms are bigger. They are destroying more square miles.
• 33:56
  Destiny: Like you know that like just from a
• 33:59
  Destiny: scientific perspective like they are larger and so
• 34:02
  Destiny: i think that it's well represented in the movie um and i i too share your sentiments
• 34:10
  Destiny: about um civil war that i i really don't think that there is a way to make uh
• 34:17
  Destiny: art not political and you know even even as we're talking about all of this,
• 34:21
  Destiny: that like, I think about our own intersections,
• 34:26
  Destiny: like as people and that it is now and is going to continue to be an issue.
• 34:32
  Destiny: And especially like you said, Evan, like for folks that are more on like islands
• 34:38
  Destiny: or in the global South that they're experiencing the brunt of that right now, unfortunately.
• 34:44
  Nathan: And I think with like the climate change thing, it's also, So there's like a
• 34:47
  Nathan: really subtle line in the movie where like the town has kind of been destroyed.
• 34:51
  Nathan: It's like the third town in the movie or whatever, but it's kind of been destroyed.
• 34:54
  Nathan: And someone just like kind of exclaims, like, I don't know how we build back
• 34:57
  Nathan: again. And that's what climate change does.
• 34:59
  Nathan: It's just like this repetitive action. And I mean, it's not the tsunami that takes out the house.
• 35:06
  Nathan: It's like the constant flooding that makes you have to leave the area.
• 35:09
  Nathan: And like, I think people want the disaster story to be just like this profound
• 35:14
  Nathan: act of nature. Instead, it's just these small...
• 35:18
  Nathan: Iterative things that continuously happen uh but
• 35:21
  Nathan: i also want to draw like a little bit of connection to i think uh
• 35:25
  Nathan: something that i loved about this movie and it's a really like
• 35:28
  Nathan: silly thing to love about this movie but about like how um how the material
• 35:33
  Nathan: lives of the characters are like hyper realistic in some sense like you have
• 35:38
  Nathan: daisy edgar jones who's just like this flourishing academic who then just gets
• 35:42
  Nathan: stuck in like an office space of like the national weather services And you're like,
• 35:45
  Nathan: oh, yeah, that's kind of like the kind of collectively it like culture subsumes you.
• 35:51
  Nathan: And then you have Javi, who's just like, he wants to do actual science and he
• 35:55
  Nathan: wants to do actual research.
• 35:56
  Nathan: But like, at the end of the day, he's got to take like whatever money he can get.
• 35:59
  Nathan: And then you have Tyler, the male protagonist, Glenn Powell's character,
• 36:04
  Nathan: who is making it as an actual storm chaser, but he's only doing so because he's
• 36:09
  Nathan: a fucking influencer and he's selling his whole essence.
• 36:13
  Nathan: He's selling himself as a brand. And what you have is this really interesting
• 36:17
  Nathan: thing where, you know, Kate or Daisy Edgar Jones's character doesn't like the
• 36:22
  Nathan: fact that he's a he's an influencer.
• 36:24
  Nathan: And then you realize, like, no, he's like he puts on a show for people,
• 36:27
  Nathan: which is like also what influencers do.
• 36:29
  Nathan: And so I think it's just like the beautiful portrayal of like people living
• 36:33
  Nathan: like actual economic lives within this universe.
• 36:36
  Nathan: And like, that's not that's not even something that I would say is a.
• 36:41
  Nathan: Super practical part about the first movie like they're all just kind of slightly
• 36:45
  Nathan: well-funded researchers and
• 36:47
  Nathan: you're like i don't were they in the 90s i don't i don't know for a fact.
• 36:51
  Evan: That's true.
• 36:51
  Nathan: But like i'm gonna guess it probably.
• 36:53
  Evan: Wasn't yeah that is that yeah that goes off of like the the part of javi and
• 36:58
  Evan: yeah the i thought was also interesting is uh glenn powell's character also
• 37:03
  Evan: you kind of when you when when daisy acre joe's kind of sees like peels back
• 37:07
  Evan: that they're actually helping the towns they're in.
• 37:10
  Evan: They're not just doing it simply to sell t-shirts.
• 37:13
  Evan: They're selling t-shirts so they can also inevitably give water and supplies to the towns.
• 37:19
  Evan: They actually do care and it shows that his persona might be different,
• 37:23
  Evan: which I don't know. You could probably... I don't know if that's the case with all influencers.
• 37:27
  Evan: Some of these influencers, that might just be... I know there's a show they're
• 37:31
  Evan: putting on, but in some sense, it could be they're also maybe not great people,
• 37:34
  Evan: but it does seem like he is, you know, actively trying to help his, uh, his community.
• 37:40
  Evan: And, and it's actually a good thing you mentioned the, the first move.
• 37:43
  Evan: I don't think we mentioned it that much, but one of the, I think the best parts
• 37:46
  Evan: about the first movie, one of the things I love is just the, the cast,
• 37:51
  Evan: which as you said, it's just like kind of a bunch of very nineties,
• 37:54
  Evan: early two thousands people that were in, you know, lots of things as small parts
• 37:58
  Evan: with the exception of maybe Philip Seymour Hoffman, who became a,
• 38:01
  Evan: you know, fairly big, big, big star,
• 38:03
  Evan: but it's all just a bunch of people who are friends that I think they mentioned
• 38:08
  Evan: at some point early on, like their grant money was going to run out, but it seems like they.
• 38:13
  Evan: Can do a lot with their grant money.
• 38:15
  Evan: You know, I don't know. They're, they've, they're filling up tanks of gas for,
• 38:19
  Evan: you know, RVs and cars and they're building this scientific,
• 38:23
  Evan: you know, the Dorothy container.
• 38:26
  Evan: I don't know. It seems that almost seems a little weird.
• 38:28
  Evan: More unrealistic than the uh the sequel which is for the sequel in quotes which
• 38:33
  Evan: i can't believe i'm saying but i think it's true.
• 38:35
  Destiny: Yeah before we move like onto the characters kim
• 38:38
  Destiny: i just want to say that like the villain in the
• 38:41
  Destiny: new one he looks like the guy
• 38:45
  Destiny: from fairly odd parents um dale
• 38:49
  Destiny: demodone like i laughed the entire time when every like scene that he was in
• 38:56
  Destiny: the movie and i i just wanted to clarify like for hobby is it his business or
• 39:02
  Destiny: like evan you said that like it was just like a job that he got i i thought
• 39:07
  Destiny: it was his business right was.
• 39:09
  Evan: It his business.
• 39:09
  Nathan: No he like he like works for someone because he remember he has to like go off
• 39:14
  Nathan: frequently to like make calls and like talk to the to the you know the boss
• 39:18
  Nathan: man but i think uh that that character might have been in the movie or it might
• 39:22
  Nathan: have been like an off-screen character but it's it's hobby is working for
• 39:25
  Nathan: someone hobby's just making a paycheck and this is the only way he can make
• 39:28
  Nathan: the paycheck doing the the stuff that he wants to do i.
• 39:31
  Evan: Think he meets him at one point like in a in a restaurant like he's sitting
• 39:35
  Evan: at a like a table with him and then that's when i maybe i'm making that up.
• 39:39
  Destiny: Yeah the dale dimadone guy yeah right so he.
• 39:43
  Evan: Does he does it a couple times.
• 39:44
  Destiny: Yeah so he like he's like the boss but that like i thought that hobby was the
• 39:50
  Destiny: one that like started the company because you You know, he was,
• 39:52
  Destiny: like, really ambitious.
• 39:54
  Destiny: He was able to, like...
• 39:56
  Destiny: You know get some shareholders like money from
• 39:59
  Destiny: the military and then he started the business which like
• 40:02
  Destiny: he's still being exploited don't get me wrong but that
• 40:07
  Destiny: yeah like i think that it shifts the dynamic a little
• 40:10
  Destiny: bit because he's like almost like petty bourgeoisie um and like kind of loses
• 40:16
  Destiny: his roots a little bit like because in the beginning of the movie he seems very
• 40:22
  Destiny: different from like the person that he's at least trying to personify later on in the movie yeah.
• 40:29
  Evan: It says that it says like his business partner is that guy scott it doesn't i don't remember his.
• 40:33
  Destiny: Oh fake jonas fake.
• 40:35
  Evan: Yeah fake jonas yeah.
• 40:36
  Nathan: Also that's not the character he's the next superman uh david cornstrat is superman yes.
• 40:43
  Evan: That's right so yeah the um.
• 40:44
  Destiny: Okay i just wanted to clarify like before we We got too much into it.
• 40:50
  Evan: No, but I agree with you. I mean, he's still being exploited.
• 40:53
  Evan: I don't think he realized when building this company or going into partnership
• 40:58
  Evan: that he's going to be doing this to essentially help a real estate mogul swindle
• 41:05
  Evan: people out of their land so they can build.
• 41:08
  Evan: He thinks he's doing it to help them in some way.
• 41:11
  Evan: And maybe he doesn't ask the right questions to really look into that.
• 41:16
  Evan: He's just like well you know i now have this business it's uh you know it's
• 41:20
  Evan: going well i'm going to accept that but yeah no i think that's a good it's a good.
• 41:23
  Destiny: Point the other guy doesn't give a fuck i don't know i just keep calling him
• 41:28
  Destiny: fake jonas the upcoming superman i can't remember what his name is in the movie
• 41:34
  Destiny: but yeah he he doesn't care like at all i i feel like i was
• 41:41
  Destiny: not cheering for him at any point in the movie um i was actually other than the fact that he had.
• 41:46
  Nathan: Like a big death scene in the in the final.
• 41:49
  Destiny: Part of.
• 41:49
  Nathan: The movie i really wanted that and we didn't get it and that was to me that
• 41:52
  Nathan: was more disappointing than not getting the kiss at the end of the movie.
• 41:55
  Destiny: Spoiler alert but everyone's talking about it.
• 41:58
  Nathan: It's just a big talking point.
• 41:59
  Destiny: Uh yeah it was kind of low-key disappointed that like they didn't do like an
• 42:03
  Destiny: homage to the first movie and like also have him die in the car and like get
• 42:09
  Destiny: into the blown into the tornado from the first one.
• 42:12
  Evan: Oh yeah. That would have been nice. Well, I actually forgot.
• 42:15
  Evan: I didn't, it's funny when I look at picture of him, like I can't now unsee like
• 42:20
  Evan: him as Clark Kent Superman.
• 42:21
  Evan: It's like, it's, he just looks like him. Then I also forgot he was in Pearl
• 42:25
  Evan: as one of the, um, he was the, the guy who worked at the movie theater in Pearl too.
• 42:29
  Destiny: So he just looks like a guy.
• 42:31
  Evan: He just looks like a guy.
• 42:33
  Destiny: Yeah. Yeah, it just looks like a guy like Jonas, like Clark Kent.
• 42:36
  Destiny: So we can go back to the characters of the first one.
• 42:41
  Evan: The cast. Yeah, speaking of like that, like Jonas, you know, he's...
• 42:45
  Evan: What is his name? Cary Elwes. Is that how you pronounce his last name?
• 42:48
  Destiny: I think so. Yeah. He's from the Princess Bride. Yep.
• 42:51
  Evan: Princess Bride, Robin Hood, Men in Tights, Saw series.
• 42:56
  Evan: But yeah, it has Bill Paxton. It has Jamie Girtz. He's like Bill Paxton's new fiance.
• 43:01
  Evan: And it has Lois Smith, who I think she was in, what, The Spider-Man,
• 43:05
  Evan: plus lots of movies, Fatal Attraction. And I can't think of any other movies now.
• 43:09
  Evan: Philip Seymour Hoffman had Alan Ruck from News Radio, Ferris Bueller's Day Off,
• 43:14
  Evan: all like all those not not newsreader i meant spin city um who else is in it zach reiner you.
• 43:21
  Nathan: Got jerry babies and uh patrick fishler
• 43:24
  Nathan: who are like kind of really big character actors in
• 43:27
  Nathan: the early 2000s as well that's kind of like the story
• 43:30
  Nathan: of this movie is outside of helen hunt and bill paxton who
• 43:33
  Nathan: have not had like long lasting careers i think
• 43:36
  Nathan: in some sense or like they're not like still part
• 43:39
  Nathan: part of like a huge zeitgeist but everyone else is like you
• 43:42
  Nathan: know your standard uh character actor from from that
• 43:45
  Nathan: time period so it's one of those things that like you compare and contrast these
• 43:49
  Nathan: two films i i think i probably like the cast of characters uh in the first movie
• 43:56
  Nathan: better because they're just a little bit more vivid and realized in some sense
• 44:00
  Nathan: however i think there's almost more
• 44:04
  Nathan: character arcs in the second movie, like there's more kind of involvement within
• 44:08
  Nathan: the characters themselves.
• 44:10
  Nathan: But in the in the first movie, there's just so much character chemistry between
• 44:14
  Nathan: the teams in between, especially Bill Paxton and Helen Hunt that they're just
• 44:18
  Nathan: the chemistry between them is wild.
• 44:21
  Nathan: So it's a really fun mixture of how you know, you differentiate between like
• 44:25
  Nathan: the two different casts because I mean, while they are going for slightly different
• 44:30
  Nathan: things in their productions.
• 44:32
  Nathan: It also is, it really speaks to like, I don't know, I think there's a lot more
• 44:35
  Nathan: ensemble, like big moments in blockbusters from the 90s.
• 44:40
  Nathan: And, you know, in the like, in the like, our modern era, like the ensemble cast
• 44:45
  Nathan: are pretty much only reserved for animated movies and superhero movies,
• 44:48
  Nathan: you know, like, that's just not something that you get a whole lot of outside
• 44:51
  Nathan: of your two, like, starring roles in like a fucking Jurassic Park arc movie,
• 44:56
  Nathan: which has kind of been, you know, in some way, like redone with twisters.
• 45:01
  Destiny: That's so true. I didn't think about that, that like they are kind of exclusive
• 45:05
  Destiny: to hero movies and animated movies.
• 45:09
  Destiny: The crews were both, you know, very good in each movie. And I think in different ways.
• 45:15
  Evan: Yeah, like in the first one, you have so many people that are part of,
• 45:19
  Evan: you know, Helen Hunt's team, and they all seem to fit like a different,
• 45:23
  Evan: you know, they all have their their,
• 45:25
  Evan: i think you said did you say like they're kind of like fleshed out in a sense of they
• 45:28
  Evan: have personality like especially you know philip seymour
• 45:31
  Evan: hoffman is like his you know his very first scene where
• 45:34
  Evan: he's talking to uh the uh the doctor the new fiance and he's talking about like
• 45:39
  Evan: what the like the the suck zone it's just like it's just it's i mean it's very
• 45:45
  Evan: philip seymour hoffman early in his career and like they all have like their
• 45:49
  Evan: nice little parts to play and And the scene,
• 45:51
  Evan: like when they're at the Aunt Meg's apartment or house, you know,
• 45:55
  Evan: eating and making the giant steak.
• 45:58
  Evan: And that, you know, I was watching that. I'm like, man, I had dinner,
• 46:00
  Evan: but I could go for like a steak that's just like cooked in whatever they're
• 46:03
  Evan: making. I don't know what it was.
• 46:06
  Destiny: Meg, where'd you get all this beef? Oh, you see my cows out front?
• 46:10
  Nathan: I do think if we're going to get a star coming out of, you know,
• 46:13
  Nathan: like we did with Philip Seymour Hoffman out of Twister. If we're going to get
• 46:16
  Nathan: a star coming out of Twisters, I really hope it's the character of Dexter.
• 46:21
  Nathan: I think it's Tunde Ndimbeke, who was the scientist for the crew.
• 46:28
  Nathan: I thought he had a bunch of funny one liners and was just like a really,
• 46:32
  Nathan: I don't know, kind of weirdly energetic character for the second movie that
• 46:36
  Nathan: he was kind of like my star small performance art for that one.
• 46:41
  Nathan: So that's, that's my hope.
• 46:43
  Nathan: But yeah, I think Philip Seymour Hoffman, honestly, might be kind of the standout of,
• 46:49
  Nathan: or he's kind of the glue that holds the whole movie together,
• 46:52
  Nathan: because he's certainly a character that kind of instigates the chemistry kind
• 46:57
  Nathan: of re happening between Helen Hunt and Bill Paxton.
• 46:59
  Nathan: But he's also just this through line for this for the movie that you're just
• 47:03
  Nathan: like you want to hang out with this crew That's why you fall in love with these characters.
• 47:07
  Nathan: It's not just like oh, they've got some cool leading man and
• 47:11
  Nathan: taking charge and and you know helping people understand the science like no
• 47:15
  Nathan: it's just these guys seem like they'd fucking chill like i'd go storm watching with them.
• 47:19
  Destiny: They like genuinely seem like they're friends like the the dynamic between them
• 47:26
  Destiny: like it it seems like they've spent a lot of time together like you're fully
• 47:30
  Destiny: convinced that they've they've gone on you know storm chases with each other yeah.
• 47:34
  Evan: Yeah and i was gonna say about like to agree about the you know philips more
• 47:38
  Evan: often being the main person that kind of makes everything work.
• 47:43
  Evan: I mean, Bill Paxton has been in, especially in the 80s and then to the early
• 47:48
  Evan: 90s, he was in tons and tons of movies.
• 47:50
  Evan: But this is definitely... A lot of them were action movies and maybe thriller type thing.
• 47:55
  Evan: I guess this is kind of like a thriller action horror-ish kind of movie.
• 47:59
  Evan: But it's more like he's playing it more straight, I guess you could say.
• 48:03
  Evan: He's not making one-liners like he does in Aliens or like Predator 2.
• 48:08
  Evan: It's not that same kind of role. He's kind of like the straight laced guy.
• 48:12
  Evan: And so you needed Philip Seymour Hoffman to have some kind of like,
• 48:16
  Evan: not just comedic relief, but just to, I don't know, liven it up.
• 48:20
  Evan: And he's just, he was an incredible actor. I mean, I love Philip Seymour Hoffman,
• 48:23
  Evan: anything he ever did. Yeah.
• 48:25
  Destiny: He was one of the greats.
• 48:27
  Evan: Seriously.
• 48:28
  Destiny: I miss him so much. And yeah, he definitely makes like the whole movie.
• 48:34
  Destiny: But I do think I think that even like, you know, some of the smaller roles are
• 48:39
  Destiny: still good roles like Alan Ruck playing Rabbit.
• 48:43
  Destiny: He does a really great job. Like, you know, the even though there are smaller
• 48:47
  Destiny: roles, it feels like like each person.
• 48:50
  Destiny: Person has their part on the team and that they there's a lot of like synergy
• 48:54
  Destiny: and you know good dynamics between the group none.
• 48:58
  Evan: Of them mailed it in right like they're all like they were doing like they were
• 49:03
  Evan: doing a great job that's not a really good way to put it but they weren't just
• 49:07
  Evan: you know there just to kind of fill in a spot on the screen they were like they
• 49:11
  Evan: they played their part perfectly it.
• 49:13
  Nathan: Felt like each of them actually had like a character sheet too like there was
• 49:17
  Nathan: something about their character that made them like unique and not just like
• 49:20
  Nathan: you know a nondescript part of team you know there's there.
• 49:24
  Evan: Was something there yeah exactly.
• 49:26
  Destiny: Yeah and i think the first one for me like not only stands out as far as characters
• 49:31
  Destiny: are concerned but also the plot i think that like they followed a much simpler
• 49:37
  Destiny: plot and they were able to execute it a lot better than the fake sequel.
• 49:44
  Destiny: The fake sequel kind of seemed like it had a lot of different plot points that
• 49:49
  Destiny: weren't fully explained or given the attention that I think that it deserved,
• 49:57
  Destiny: especially the whole real estate option.
• 50:01
  Destiny: I think that the three of us, we know that there's not
• 50:05
  Destiny: going to be anything that comes out of hollywood that's you know
• 50:08
  Destiny: anti-capitalist or that is
• 50:11
  Destiny: going to read that way because you know hollywood
• 50:14
  Destiny: is what it is but that i think that some of the plot lines in the second one
• 50:20
  Destiny: got kind of lost um where isn't it whereas in the first one that like they stuck
• 50:26
  Destiny: to a much simpler plot and i
• 50:28
  Destiny: feel like they were able to to pull it off um Because you had the storms,
• 50:33
  Destiny: but then you're also telling the story of Joe and Bill and, you know,
• 50:39
  Destiny: as their relationship grows.
• 50:41
  Destiny: Changes and ultimately grows together.
• 50:44
  Evan: That's true i mean i the the second
• 50:47
  Evan: one definitely is more of a complex movie whereas
• 50:51
  Evan: a lot of those 90s you know action kind
• 50:54
  Evan: of movies and disaster ones
• 50:57
  Evan: like they're not they're not like you know reinventing i
• 50:59
  Evan: mean they're reinventing something but it's very straightforward and
• 51:03
  Evan: i think yeah i i could i agree i could agree with you
• 51:06
  Evan: about the real estate thing not being kind of realized as much
• 51:08
  Evan: as it could have been and some of the you know would it
• 51:11
  Evan: be nice to get more insight into like glenn powell's character
• 51:14
  Evan: you got a little bit about you know him but you kind
• 51:17
  Evan: of got more about daisy edgar jones and kind of her past because you know she
• 51:22
  Evan: opens the movie with that traumatic event losing her friends and then you know
• 51:26
  Evan: overcomes her fear to you know go drive out with this crazy rigged out truck
• 51:32
  Evan: that has like spikes in it like that was
• 51:35
  Evan: the coolest but also craziest truck that i guess could not exist or could it
• 51:39
  Evan: exist i don't know is that possible i also want.
• 51:41
  Nathan: To give a little bit of a shout out to glenn powell's character um because i've
• 51:46
  Nathan: seen a lot of uh online discourse about how glenn powell plays like the perfect
• 51:51
  Nathan: himbo which i think is like a misreading of the character of tyler in this movie like he is very
• 51:58
  Nathan: explicitly not a himbo.
• 52:00
  Nathan: And like, sure, he is hot.
• 52:02
  Nathan: But he is like, the whole kind of motion of his character is that he is like
• 52:07
  Nathan: misunderstood as a himbo. And that is not who he is.
• 52:10
  Nathan: Like he is actually a very smart and caring and thoughtful person,
• 52:15
  Nathan: where those are not like the typical attributes of a himbo.
• 52:18
  Nathan: And so it's like the unhemboification of his character is what makes him like,
• 52:22
  Nathan: endearing and lovable and also like where you want to have a sequel.
• 52:27
  Nathan: Like I think people are asking for a sequel to this movie because you're like,
• 52:30
  Nathan: oh, I would watch the continuation of these two characters' storyline.
• 52:35
  Nathan: Not specifically Javi. I think he's probably the most,
• 52:38
  Nathan: you know misused character and like all are
• 52:41
  Nathan: of the two movies but um tyler and
• 52:45
  Nathan: kate's chemistry is really good it's really fun there's an interesting story
• 52:49
  Nathan: that's happening between them but yeah i've just uh this is just a thing for
• 52:53
  Nathan: the haters that uh have like really been mad at me for calling people out for
• 52:58
  Nathan: calling tyler himbo because you're wrong and i want you to know that you are wrong yeah.
• 53:02
  Destiny: I don't think he's a himbo i like if anything i think that he He displays a
• 53:08
  Destiny: really healthy level of masculinity that like, like,
• 53:12
  Destiny: you know, typically in movies, like the the more masculine character is usually
• 53:17
  Destiny: someone that you're pitted against,
• 53:20
  Destiny: you know, they're the villain of the story.
• 53:22
  Destiny: And so it was really refreshing to get to see someone who is masculine,
• 53:28
  Destiny: but like you said, being vulnerable and is intelligent and overall became this
• 53:36
  Destiny: really great character.
• 53:37
  Destiny: So I think he did a great job too.
• 53:40
  Evan: You well there's also the idea that like
• 53:43
  Evan: i think there's like the stereotype of like oh you know attractive guy
• 53:46
  Evan: from the south like he's not a smart guy and
• 53:50
  Evan: he actually is extremely smart in
• 53:53
  Evan: this movie i mean you're not building this entire empire of
• 53:56
  Evan: the social media presence with hundreds of thousands of followers
• 54:00
  Evan: by being an idiot like that takes a lot of
• 54:02
  Evan: work to do that so yes he's an attractive
• 54:05
  Evan: uh person in the you know attractive but i don't think i i would agree with
• 54:09
  Evan: you nathan i don't think he is and i think his character does have depth like
• 54:12
  Evan: it could have had more maybe you know but that if they wanted to but i thought
• 54:16
  Evan: it was uh you know like you you do see like layers to him and you know if they
• 54:20
  Evan: made a sequel to this with the two of them again i would go see it i.
• 54:24
  Nathan: Do know um you had some questions uh specifically pertaining to the cgi because
• 54:30
  Nathan: i would love to get into that and.
• 54:32
  Evan: Uh i'll.
• 54:32
  Nathan: Let you ask your question but i i basically already have my pre-prepared answer
• 54:36
  Nathan: because i have a very strong opinion on uh outdated cgi.
• 54:40
  Evan: Well okay so yeah so the i guess
• 54:43
  Evan: the question i mean if you look at people online especially
• 54:46
  Evan: the first the first movie twister a lot of folks will say you know the cgi that
• 54:51
  Evan: they use and some of the like there's lots of like goofs like if you go to the
• 54:54
  Evan: imdb page and go to like the goof section there's like 40 or 50 things where
• 54:58
  Evan: something like a sign is blowing the wrong way and this and all these you know,
• 55:03
  Evan: these very specific things.
• 55:05
  Evan: But I guess just the question is like, do you think that the CGI from the original still...
• 55:10
  Evan: Like looks okay i know that there were some practical effects they used and
• 55:13
  Evan: those like i think hold up but what do you think generally about it.
• 55:17
  Nathan: I think it's great i think we need more movies that
• 55:20
  Nathan: look like this i think there's like a realness to
• 55:22
  Nathan: what is happening and sure if you want to hyper focus on the
• 55:25
  Nathan: goofs like you know maybe some of those things could have been corrected and
• 55:28
  Nathan: stuff like whatever i'm not really a stickler for goofs and movies like unless
• 55:32
  Nathan: it's like part of like an integral part of the movie but like um i think what
• 55:38
  Nathan: they did well in this This movie was specifically the lighting just made Twister a horror movie.
• 55:46
  Nathan: Like it very much is set at night where Twisters is mostly a daytime story.
• 55:51
  Nathan: And so it's like when you're watching everything happen, it's a lot less scary
• 55:55
  Nathan: than when you don't know what's going to happen.
• 55:58
  Nathan: And so a lot of that probably has to do with like the practicalness in which
• 56:02
  Nathan: like you have the technology to film these things.
• 56:04
  Nathan: And, you know, in the modern era, you can make a daytime tornado pretty easily.
• 56:09
  Nathan: I'm not saying it doesn't take a lot of like man hour to do those projects and
• 56:12
  Nathan: a lot of money to, you know, have those computers.
• 56:15
  Nathan: But Twister gets by on a really incredible aesthetic because it leaned into
• 56:22
  Nathan: the grittiness and it leaned into like the kind of unknown terror of Mother Nature.
• 56:27
  Nathan: And I think like both of those two things combine into a movie that,
• 56:30
  Nathan: you know, while being expensive, wasn't like ungodly, you know,
• 56:35
  Nathan: in its budget. And so it made a ton of money.
• 56:37
  Nathan: And that's like, ultimately, like what I hope for most what I hope for most
• 56:42
  Nathan: things, because I think we talked about like a lot of the blockbusters being
• 56:45
  Nathan: like heavily CGI focused.
• 56:47
  Nathan: And I think probably all three of us are like, yeah, we care more about intricate
• 56:51
  Nathan: stories with good characters and fun and interesting ways in which to tell a story.
• 56:57
  Nathan: And we care very little about, does the blue beam coming out of the sky look perfect?
• 57:03
  Nathan: I don't give a fuck. I genuinely don't care. And I have been slowly trying to
• 57:08
  Nathan: shift myself into like watching and finding myself being more entertained by
• 57:13
  Nathan: like Bollywood films and movies coming out of like South Korea and stuff because
• 57:18
  Nathan: it's like they really have a I think a concrete.
• 57:23
  Nathan: Answer towards the cgi thing and being like yeah like maybe we'll use it and
• 57:27
  Nathan: maybe we'll just like make a character jump 35 feet in the air for fun you're
• 57:30
  Nathan: like that's what i want like i don't i don't care anymore.
• 57:33
  Evan: Yeah i mean i think the cgi and the first one is pretty good especially when
• 57:38
  Evan: i think of some other movies from that era that or even i said this before this
• 57:43
  Evan: podcast a bunch of times there's lots of movies from the early 2000s or even
• 57:46
  Evan: like 2010 where it looks like absolute Absolute. It just looks really bad.
• 57:52
  Evan: You think of the Transformer movies where, I mean, part of this has to do with,
• 57:56
  Evan: I mean, this is also in the news
• 57:58
  Evan: now with James Gunn, since we're talking about the new Superman movie.
• 58:01
  Evan: He said they intentionally finished filming early to give the visual effects
• 58:06
  Evan: people a year to actually make the visual effects look good.
• 58:10
  Evan: And so a lot of that has to do with just making people, the visual effects people
• 58:15
  Evan: do a lot of hard work in a very short period of time.
• 58:18
  Evan: And so you get, you know, a lot of these movies with bad CGI,
• 58:21
  Evan: but I don't know, the Twister movie, it's just like, it's still, it looks cool.
• 58:26
  Evan: Like I was watching it and I'm like, never at one point did I think,
• 58:29
  Evan: man, like this is like, this looks really bad. Like I thought it all looked, you know.
• 58:34
  Nathan: Yeah, and it's not like an anti CGI movement. I mean, I really love the Avatar,
• 58:39
  Nathan: especially the sequel to Avatar, The Way of the Water, I thought was fabulous.
• 58:43
  Nathan: But it's like, yeah, I'm glad he took what fucking 10 years to make that movie
• 58:48
  Nathan: because you can actually like put in the time and dedication it takes to like
• 58:51
  Nathan: make something the visual medium that you want.
• 58:53
  Nathan: And I think that's a really beautiful thing. But I also think like working within
• 58:57
  Nathan: their limitations, Twister also makes itself a more longer lasting movie than
• 59:02
  Nathan: Twisters does because you have that horror element that is interesting to watch.
• 59:08
  Nathan: And also, like, I think puts more like emotion into the experience of watching the movie.
• 59:14
  Nathan: Like I watched this movie as a kid and it terrified me.
• 59:18
  Nathan: And I have rewatched it over the years and slowly become less scared of the
• 59:23
  Nathan: movie until like I watched it this summer. I was like, man, this is just a fucking fun time.
• 59:28
  Nathan: Like, I'm just so glad like I you get to like enjoy it. And you also get to
• 59:32
  Nathan: like perceive how you enjoyed it in the past. And I think like,
• 59:34
  Nathan: that's, that's like what a movie can do for you and should do for you,
• 59:38
  Nathan: it should change and meld over time.
• 59:40
  Nathan: And I think Twister is one of those, I think, honestly, probably,
• 59:45
  Nathan: you know, it's not I wouldn't say like favorite movies.
• 59:47
  Nathan: But as far as like, just throwing on a movie in the heat of the summer,
• 59:52
  Nathan: like I'm going to go to Twister more times.
• 59:53
  Nathan: And I'm going to go to like, a lot of other movies that I think are even better.
• 59:57
  Destiny: Yeah, I think the CGI definitely holds up in Twister.
• 1:00:02
  Destiny: I think the only scene that maybe it's a little bit questionable is the cow scene.
• 1:00:07
  Destiny: But like otherwise, because they relied so heavily on practical effects,
• 1:00:12
  Destiny: I think that that is part of why it has held up.
• 1:00:16
  Destiny: But, you know, just for that era, like the visual effects that they used were
• 1:00:21
  Destiny: revolutionary for that time. They were using technology that had never been used.
• 1:00:27
  Destiny: And I think that they were really smart about how much of it they used.
• 1:00:32
  Destiny: They didn't indulge too much, which can be a problem in today's climate of movies.
• 1:00:39
  Destiny: But Evan, I think that you did bring up a good point that, unfortunately,
• 1:00:44
  Destiny: a lot of visual effects artists are exploited and overworked and,
• 1:00:51
  Destiny: you know, not given enough time to put the time and the effort and the dedication
• 1:00:57
  Destiny: that it does take to do really good visual effects.
• 1:01:00
  Destiny: Um so you know i think
• 1:01:04
  Destiny: that like you said nathan i think that twister holds
• 1:01:08
  Destiny: up and will continue to hold up a little bit longer than twisters um i think
• 1:01:14
  Destiny: in their final cut they relied a little bit too heavily on cgi in the second
• 1:01:19
  Destiny: one from for me personally um and especially in comparison to the the first one.
• 1:01:25
  Evan: Yeah and the first one i was just looking the budget for the first one was
• 1:01:28
  Evan: it says 88 to 92 million and especially given you know i think they like put
• 1:01:34
  Evan: that to good use where you see movies now they get you know get 150 million
• 1:01:38
  Evan: dollar budgets or whatever and you know they've rushed through it it just doesn't
• 1:01:42
  Evan: look the same like they clearly were going,
• 1:01:45
  Evan: for something that they you know they achieve what their work they set out for
• 1:01:49
  Evan: and i actually saw a note in wikipedia it said that the cgi cow was built from
• 1:01:53
  Evan: a cgi zebra that they use in the the movie Jumanji from the year before,
• 1:01:57
  Evan: which a little note that I thought was interesting. But yeah, they-
• 1:02:01
  Destiny: The CPI in Jumanji is really bad. It does not hold up.
• 1:02:06
  Evan: No. The animals charging through in those scenes are like, yeah,
• 1:02:10
  Evan: it's very... I guess it's funny because you said that the cat was the one time
• 1:02:13
  Evan: where the movie didn't look as good and there it's because it's from Jumanji. Yeah.
• 1:02:18
  Evan: They had to do that. But yeah, I mean, I think, I don't think I had any more
• 1:02:23
  Evan: direct questions about either ones.
• 1:02:25
  Evan: I mean, we guess we talked about both generally, but I don't know if either
• 1:02:29
  Evan: had any last thoughts on the movies or if you had any last thoughts on sequels
• 1:02:33
  Evan: or any of these things or, you know, what they're going to call the sequel.
• 1:02:37
  Destiny: Did you want to talk about the Helen Hunt?
• 1:02:39
  Evan: Oh, yes. Equal part. That's, that's true. So I didn't get a chance to look beyond
• 1:02:43
  Evan: the article that was linked in the Wikipedia,
• 1:02:46
  Evan: but helen hunt did try and make a sequel i think for
• 1:02:49
  Evan: a while she had tried to like she couldn't even get
• 1:02:51
  Evan: them to agree to a meeting which is really kind of
• 1:02:54
  Evan: speaks to the fact that you know her i don't know if this is intentional like
• 1:02:58
  Evan: her career definitely didn't go that great after into the early 2000s but she
• 1:03:03
  Evan: wanted to make a movie that was a direct sequel that would have mostly black
• 1:03:07
  Evan: and brown people as the storm chasers instead of it being an all-white cast
• 1:03:10
  Evan: and they basically told her to fuck off well.
• 1:03:13
  Destiny: What i like saw from that was that like i heard parts of the interview and it
• 1:03:20
  Destiny: was basically like it was just performative she was like oh you know this is
• 1:03:24
  Destiny: in 2020 when it's all about dei but.
• 1:03:27
  Evan: Like not.
• 1:03:28
  Destiny: In a way that was genuine or like you.
• 1:03:32
  Evan: Know so she was saying it just to say it to get them to make it basically oh
• 1:03:36
  Evan: yeah i mean because like Like you said.
• 1:03:37
  Destiny: Her career was and is not really doing that well.
• 1:03:43
  Destiny: So, you know, she wanted to capitalize on that.
• 1:03:47
  Evan: Well, that's a bummer to hear that that's how she saw the sequel.
• 1:03:51
  Evan: I don't know what her politics are, but that's definitely...
• 1:03:54
  Destiny: I think it's obvious.
• 1:03:55
  Evan: Yeah, I was trying to say it gently.
• 1:03:58
  Nathan: I also just, I think I really, I come out of this really wanting the resurgence
• 1:04:04
  Nathan: of disaster movies. I think we found ourselves probably on this like precipice
• 1:04:10
  Nathan: in some sense of like the end of the superhero arc.
• 1:04:14
  Nathan: Era uh and and that's not to say like disney and
• 1:04:17
  Nathan: uh you know marvel and whatever they're
• 1:04:19
  Nathan: not gonna like stop making these movies like i don't mean that at
• 1:04:22
  Nathan: all but them holding the most like basically a grip on hollywood uh i think
• 1:04:29
  Nathan: is is maybe slipping a little bit especially with like the mcu movies of recent
• 1:04:33
  Nathan: being mostly bad um and i think people are clamoring for like big budget blockbusters because,
• 1:04:40
  Nathan: you know, like we want we still want something like within culture to talk about.
• 1:04:45
  Nathan: And so this is my like my personal pitch to to Hollywood has been to just like
• 1:04:51
  Nathan: bring back disaster movies and and not so much in like the sci fi genre,
• 1:04:56
  Nathan: which is like some of those like the moon falling apart things.
• 1:05:00
  Nathan: It's like, no, I would I would love a lot more survivalist stories
• 1:05:04
  Nathan: or natural disaster stories um i i
• 1:05:07
  Nathan: would even you know i would i would go see on opening weekend
• 1:05:10
  Nathan: if they redid um the day
• 1:05:13
  Nathan: after tomorrow like i i'd go see a sequel that's almost
• 1:05:16
  Nathan: a shot for shot remake of it because i think
• 1:05:18
  Nathan: these are just like these are the stories that i i personally care
• 1:05:21
  Nathan: about and then also i think break from uh
• 1:05:25
  Nathan: you know like the the exhaustion that i
• 1:05:27
  Nathan: have out of like major hollywood at this point i think there's a
• 1:05:30
  Nathan: lot of you know i'm never gonna stop repping like indie
• 1:05:33
  Nathan: films in general but um as far as like big
• 1:05:36
  Nathan: blockbusters go i i just i can't find myself caring about any more fast and
• 1:05:41
  Nathan: furious movies or jurassic park movies or marvel movies and that's not to say
• 1:05:45
  Nathan: i'll never see any of them but i just like i would rather spend my time talking
• 1:05:48
  Nathan: about twisters three than literally any other you know any other movie so.
• 1:05:53
  Evan: It basically just recreate you know i think in the 90s there must have been
• 1:05:57
  Evan: like six or eight disaster type movies.
• 1:06:00
  Evan: So, you know, I mean, it doesn't seem like that farfetched given that like the
• 1:06:04
  Evan: nostalgia to bring back so many of the 90s IP and kind of style movies and remakes
• 1:06:10
  Evan: and sequels. So I don't know, I could see it.
• 1:06:12
  Nathan: Also, just my last bit of advice to Hollywood.
• 1:06:15
  Nathan: I'm sorry, I keep doing this. But you need to make movies with good soundtracks.
• 1:06:20
  Nathan: Last time I was on the podcast, I was here to talk about Twilight.
• 1:06:23
  Nathan: And here again with Twisters, like a
• 1:06:26
  Nathan: soundtrack is an integral girl part of the movie experience
• 1:06:30
  Nathan: and it should be very intentional not
• 1:06:33
  Nathan: only through like the cinematic scores but also like what music
• 1:06:36
  Nathan: you're going to use and if you're going to get you know original music for it
• 1:06:39
  Nathan: but it truly does make a movie experience like like out of a five-star rating
• 1:06:44
  Nathan: it makes it two stars better if you have good and interesting music to go along
• 1:06:48
  Nathan: with the story because that's what a movie is it's not simply just a visual
• 1:06:52
  Nathan: medium and so i am really kind of,
• 1:06:56
  Nathan: uh blown away by the fact that you know
• 1:06:58
  Nathan: some of our biggest movies go back to like the marvel movies have just
• 1:07:01
  Nathan: like the most non-script soundtracks imaginable and so
• 1:07:04
  Nathan: it's like i really wish people would just put a focus on getting
• 1:07:07
  Nathan: like some good songs out there and if you want to fucking help some
• 1:07:10
  Nathan: music artists fucking pay them to write some good songs for this stuff because
• 1:07:15
  Nathan: it's ultimately like we want to see those we want to have that experience and
• 1:07:19
  Nathan: it seems like a lot of At least big budget movies don't seem to have any care
• 1:07:25
  Nathan: or concentration put into the soundtracks at all at this point.
• 1:07:29
  Evan: They probably are saying, if we're going to have something in this movie,
• 1:07:33
  Evan: this $150 million budget movie, we have to get big name artists.
• 1:07:36
  Evan: And they can't pay them then because they've already blown the budget on everything else.
• 1:07:40
  Evan: But yeah, get some small artists to do it. I'm sure they'd be happy to make
• 1:07:44
  Evan: a song for a movie than getting paid like 11 cents from Spotify residuals,
• 1:07:48
  Evan: you know, that they're basically getting now or even less now or God knows, you know, fuck Spotify.
• 1:07:54
  Evan: But anyway, yeah, no, you have any last thoughts, Destiny?
• 1:07:58
  Destiny: Well, about the soundtrack, yeah. I mean, you know, those are the things that
• 1:08:02
  Destiny: bring folks back to the movie,
• 1:08:05
  Destiny: you know, year after year that like, I can't tell you how many times I've rewatched
• 1:08:10
  Destiny: Twilight because I love the color palette and I love the soundtrack.
• 1:08:14
  Destiny: The movie sucks, but I enjoy revisiting it because of aspects that they really
• 1:08:24
  Destiny: thought about carefully in the filmmaking.
• 1:08:27
  Destiny: But in regards to Twister and Twisters, I would say that,
• 1:08:32
  Destiny: I was really afraid that they were going to fuck up my favorite movie,
• 1:08:36
  Destiny: and I was pleasantly surprised that they didn't.
• 1:08:40
  Destiny: I feel like there were just enough nods and Easter eggs to the first one that
• 1:08:48
  Destiny: they kind of like paid their homage to it,
• 1:08:51
  Destiny: but that it does almost stand out on its own.
• 1:08:56
  Destiny: You don't have to see the first one to to really be
• 1:08:59
  Destiny: able to enjoy it and that it is just a fun
• 1:09:02
  Destiny: summer blockbuster disaster movie um
• 1:09:05
  Destiny: with a great soundtrack with really great visual effects um and i i i think
• 1:09:13
  Destiny: that it it did really really well and i'm pleased with the way that the sequel
• 1:09:17
  Destiny: came out and the first one if you haven't seen it please please watch it because
• 1:09:21
  Destiny: it's probably one of my favorite movies ever.
• 1:09:23
  Destiny: It's in my top five on Letterboxd.
• 1:09:27
  Destiny: I love Twister. I could say the entire movie from memory. That's how many times I've seen it.
• 1:09:34
  Destiny: But it just draws me in every time because the characters, the movie,
• 1:09:39
  Destiny: the plot, there are so many really good and carefully calculated decisions about
• 1:09:45
  Destiny: the movie that really just make it a classic.
• 1:09:48
  Evan: Yeah. And I think of just in just the last note on the soundtrack and then we can we can go.
• 1:09:53
  Evan: But like the but I think of like movies that I've seen this year,
• 1:09:56
  Evan: like recent just from just recent from 2024 in the ones that were were better.
• 1:10:02
  Evan: As you said, Nathan, like two stars goes towards the soundtrack.
• 1:10:05
  Evan: I can remember them even better, even more.
• 1:10:08
  Evan: And I actually enjoyed them more because, you know, they had something compelling
• 1:10:13
  Evan: besides just, you know, like if it's a horror movie, like a jump scare,
• 1:10:17
  Evan: it actually had interesting sound behind it.
• 1:10:19
  Evan: And so I, you know, I, no reason for me to go on, but I would agree with that.
• 1:10:24
  Evan: And, um, yeah, Twister has an insanely good soundtrack.
• 1:10:28
  Evan: So if you haven't seen Twister, also see it doubling down on
• 1:10:31
  Evan: your destiny and then i think twisters is also worth your
• 1:10:34
  Evan: time if you enjoy the first one and haven't seen it yet i think it's uh
• 1:10:36
  Evan: worthy of a good you know before summer ends
• 1:10:40
  Evan: you should watch this uh summer blockbuster but
• 1:10:43
  Evan: that's all i got anyone else nothing no more
• 1:10:46
  Evan: no more well ip movies if they're if they're
• 1:10:48
  Evan: good and they're related to uh to twister so you can
• 1:10:51
  Evan: make twister three twister twister four twister five whatever but you've You've
• 1:10:56
  Evan: been listening to Nathan and destiny and you can listen to their podcasts on
• 1:11:01
  Evan: the links down below and you can listen to this podcast as well as theirs on
• 1:11:05
  Evan: the internet where you can find them all. And thank you both for being here today.
• 1:11:09
  Nathan: Thanks so much. Yeah.
• 1:11:10
  Destiny: Thank you.
• 1:11:11
  Evan: And we'll catch you next time.