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Feminist Movie Friday: Waiting to Exhale · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stephan
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  Speaker 1: never told your protection of iHeart Radio.
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  Speaker 2: And welcome to another feminist movie Friday. If you're listening
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  Speaker 2: to it on a Friday. If not just a feminist movie,
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  Speaker 2: you're welcome. And today we are featuring a long overdue movie.
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  Speaker 2: Should we should have been talked about this one before.
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  Speaker 2: It is waiting to exhale. And I actually didn't realize
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  Speaker 2: that it's a great New Year's classic. So if you
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  Speaker 2: need more New Year's movies, here you go put that
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  Speaker 2: in your list. I will say before I started watching it,
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  Speaker 2: because I have never actually seen it. Nineteen ninety five,
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  Speaker 2: I would have been fifteen, so I didn't watch a
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  Speaker 2: lot of like I don't think these along these lines.
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  Speaker 2: But adult romance, by the way, I mean, like a
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  Speaker 2: serious adult on me. That's what I meant. But I
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  Speaker 2: keep getting confused with Stella gets her groove back. And
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  Speaker 2: I was waiting for Taye Diggs the entire movie, Oh No,
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  Speaker 2: and he never showed up. And I was like, what's happening, Leslie?
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  Speaker 3: Snap never showed up?
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  Speaker 1: Geez, isn't that what these movies Stella is about?
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  Speaker 2: Man?
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  Speaker 3: True?
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  Speaker 2: But I was just like, wait, where's t Dis? I thought,
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  Speaker 2: he wears what? Why aren't they on a beach? On
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  Speaker 2: a beach?
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  Speaker 3: But they do end up on a beach.
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  Speaker 1: I had never seen this, nor had I seen Stella
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  Speaker 1: gets Her Groove Back, but I very much remember the
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  Speaker 1: poster of Stella gets Her Groove Back. I don't know why,
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  Speaker 1: but I just remember that poster very vividly. So maybe
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  Speaker 1: another future.
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  Speaker 2: I guess we do need to come back. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure it's because of Angela Bassett herself, but I was
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  Speaker 2: just like, wait, what so but it's still an amazing
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  Speaker 2: movie even without te Dis. It's okay, And of course
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  Speaker 2: it is a classic as it is a powerhouse of
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  Speaker 2: a movie with an amazing cast and crew that includes
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  Speaker 2: Angela Bassett. As we said, Whitney Houston, Hello, r Ip
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  Speaker 2: Loretta Devine, who I was like, Hey, Loretta, I've seen
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  Speaker 2: her in so many things, including Supernatural, who was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be an original and she didn't like a regular
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  Speaker 2: and she wasn't. Did you know that? Love her though?
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  Speaker 2: And I could not think of her name in Supernatural.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, what is it?
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  Speaker 3: What is it?
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  Speaker 2: I had to look it up. Yeah it was. I
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  Speaker 2: kept went through every m state but MISSOURII.
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  Speaker 1: I've actually very very nerdy, fun fact, I have taken
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  Speaker 1: to doing state quizzes lately, just a test that I
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  Speaker 1: know where all the states are.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty good. You need to do more tests. I
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  Speaker 2: think I've forgotten a lot of remedial things.
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  Speaker 1: Well, because there was like this whole thing going around
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  Speaker 1: about the Iowa primaries and everyone was like, you don't
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  Speaker 1: know where Iowa is and I was like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: I think I know where it is, but through what
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  Speaker 1: I really And so now I'm just taking state tests
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  Speaker 1: like every you should well.
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  Speaker 2: And I was confused because someone said that they went
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  Speaker 2: to Utah to ski, and I know that's a thing,
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  Speaker 2: but then I kept the get.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, Utah, are you tell us not?
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  Speaker 2: It's not their right and I know people do, but
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  Speaker 2: at the same time it started confusing me, and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, you do anyway? But a Loretta Devine, yes,
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  Speaker 2: who plays Missouri Moses in Supernatural just fun fact, uh,
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  Speaker 2: and Leila ra Sean, Gregory Hines, Wesley Snipes, John Carlo Esposito,
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  Speaker 2: which barely is not credited in here. Yeah, but we
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  Speaker 2: all know him. Hello.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: The script was co written by the actual book author
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  Speaker 2: Terry McMillan, directed by Force Whitaker, and I think I
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  Speaker 2: knew that once upon a time, but then I was
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  Speaker 2: like what I had to come back? And the music
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  Speaker 2: by the iconic award winning Kenneth Babyface Edmonds. And if
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  Speaker 2: you don't know Babyfaces music, I don't think you were
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  Speaker 2: around in the nineties. You just you just don't understand
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  Speaker 2: early nineties because this was there were so many awards
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  Speaker 2: to this, but they won a lot of awards for
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  Speaker 2: their soundtrack, which included Yes, Brandy, Hello Brandy, and Whitney
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  Speaker 2: Houston My Loves Anyway. Of course, the release date of
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  Speaker 2: this movie was nineteen ninety five, so there are some
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  Speaker 2: problematic themes, some problematic scenes within the movie, including homophobic
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  Speaker 2: slurs which hit me like slap me in the face.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh why why Donald, and just in
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  Speaker 2: general adult adultery the way it kind of just plays out.
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  Speaker 2: But it's still an amazing movie and you do learn
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  Speaker 2: a lot of life lessons. We all have to go
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  Speaker 2: through some things sometimes. Am I right, It's true and
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  Speaker 2: I feel like this is what it's saying, so we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna jump into it. We have a group of friends
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  Speaker 2: for friends who are going through some hard times in
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  Speaker 2: their quests for love, life and happiness. We have Bernardine
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  Speaker 2: Harris played by Angela Bassett, Savannah Jackson played by Houston,
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  Speaker 2: Gloria Matthews played by Divine, and Robin Stokes played by Rashaan.
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  Speaker 2: So we're going to start off with the each character
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  Speaker 2: stories because it kind of all unfolds as is and
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  Speaker 2: then comes back together. So Bernardine, a master's graduate, stay
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  Speaker 2: at home mom and wife, is confronted by her husband
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  Speaker 2: at the time with the fact that not only has
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  Speaker 2: he been having an affair with his white bookkeeper slash
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  Speaker 2: secretary cameo here with Kelly Preston out of Nowhere again,
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  Speaker 2: but that he is leaving her and the kids for
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  Speaker 2: this woman. After some heated words in exchange and he leaves,
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  Speaker 2: she starts to kind of reclaim herself and even her anger.
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  Speaker 2: She takes some of her husband's things, placing them in
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  Speaker 2: his fancy car and sets that on fire. Love to
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  Speaker 2: see it. Sometime after the firefighter comes through, like you
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  Speaker 2: know what's happening, She's like, you know what that is
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  Speaker 2: trash essentially, so she's like, yeah, you can only burn trash.
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  Speaker 2: That's it right there. Soon after, we see her selling
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  Speaker 2: off all of her husband's other items, including a car
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  Speaker 2: for one ninety nine. I was like, yeah, if only
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  Speaker 2: And again she finds out soon after that her husband
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  Speaker 2: is trying to leave her with the bare minimum, taking
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  Speaker 2: out all of their money, and she confronts him at
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  Speaker 2: the office at his office where we witness his mistress
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  Speaker 2: getting this hell sleapt out of her, you know, things happen,
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  Speaker 2: and him trying to talk to her and asking her
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  Speaker 2: to settle for three hundred thousand dollars and everything will
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  Speaker 2: be fine, she can have the house. After refusing to
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  Speaker 2: do so, she does all the things that she needs
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  Speaker 2: to in order to heal, hang with her girls, find
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  Speaker 2: no rebound though it really wasn't that great as he
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  Speaker 2: was married, and then kind of stalks her. She gets drunk,
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  Speaker 2: almost called the mistress on a drink and call. She
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  Speaker 2: cares for her kids, and of course she cuts her hair,
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  Speaker 2: which looks amazing on her. And soon she meets another
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  Speaker 2: man in her Wesley Snipes, which I was like, what
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  Speaker 2: where did he come from? Again? I'm still expecting Tay Diggs. Still,
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  Speaker 2: I really thought he was gonna come. I thought that
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  Speaker 2: was going to be him whose white wife is dying
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  Speaker 2: of breast cancer. But then they come together and commiserate.
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  Speaker 2: They imply they don't have sex, but connected emotionally together,
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  Speaker 2: and as her divorce finally comes to an end, she
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  Speaker 2: is awarded one million dollars, two houses, some cars, and
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  Speaker 2: some other things, and she's able to leave John, her ex,
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  Speaker 2: with a farewell and justice. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah when I was like they were giving out all
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  Speaker 1: the things she was going to get, like jail.
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  Speaker 2: I also love that Whitney's in the background. Savannahs like yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like the two of them celebrating and they leave love
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  Speaker 2: to see it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So speaking of then we have Savannah. Savannah is
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  Speaker 1: a successful television producer who is just looking for some
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  Speaker 1: love and companionship. So she goes on some failed dates
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  Speaker 1: with dudes who eventually she gets tired of, and then
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  Speaker 1: she gets a call from her mother who lets her
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  Speaker 1: know that the love of her life is trying to
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  Speaker 1: find her. Unfortunately, that love is still married with a child,
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  Speaker 1: but with a promise that he wants to leave his
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  Speaker 1: wife and come back to her, you know, her true love.
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  Speaker 1: She starts up the romance again, but soon she sees
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  Speaker 1: that he's just making up these empty promises and no
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  Speaker 1: longer wants to be with an all like him. And
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  Speaker 1: in the relationship, her mother is upset and afraid that
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  Speaker 1: she will end up all alone. We've all heard it before,
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  Speaker 1: but Savannah reassures her that she is just fine and
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  Speaker 1: will continue to be direct.
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  Speaker 2: Robin, who we have, is a successful, high powered executive
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  Speaker 2: who is seeking to have it all, the career, the family,
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  Speaker 2: the house. After some failed relationships of her own, she
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  Speaker 2: starts to go back with her married ex, who had
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  Speaker 2: originally left her to marry another woman got who he
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  Speaker 2: got pregnant. Soon she realizes he is not the man
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  Speaker 2: she thought she wanted breaks up with him after finding
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  Speaker 2: that that she was pregnant again. I think that she
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  Speaker 2: had had a pregnancy with him and she had had
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  Speaker 2: an abortion because she did. He didn't want it. But
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  Speaker 2: she decides she's gonna keep this baby and wants to
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  Speaker 2: raise this child on our own and forget him.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And then we have Gloria our Glow, who is a
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  Speaker 1: successful salon owner raising her own son Tooriqu who was
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  Speaker 1: played by Donald Fez. There was a lot of times
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, you're in this book, in this
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  Speaker 1: alone focusing a lot on just raising her son and
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  Speaker 1: providing for him has made her really anxious about him
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  Speaker 1: leaving the nest, which is sort of in the process.
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  Speaker 1: Thinking that maybe her and her ex could come back together.
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  Speaker 1: After having a one night stand, she tries to convince
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  Speaker 1: him to stay the night, which he then reveals that
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  Speaker 1: he is gay. This is John Carlow Yes, So soon
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  Speaker 1: she meets her new neighbor, who is a widower, and
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  Speaker 1: they hit it off. He gets along with her son
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  Speaker 1: as well, and everything looks good until she tries to
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  Speaker 1: tell her son not to go abroad for a trip
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  Speaker 1: to Spain. Soon she realizes she is being clinging to
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  Speaker 1: her son and apologizes to him and the neighbor for
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  Speaker 1: getting upset and realized that she is in love with
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  Speaker 1: her neighbor and he is in love with her too.
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  Speaker 2: So the movie ends as it began on New Year's Eve,
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  Speaker 2: and this time, as at the first New Year's everything
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  Speaker 2: was falling apart for them. This time they've all come together,
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  Speaker 2: just the ladies celebrating around a bonfire, enjoying the night
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  Speaker 2: in each other's company, laughing and excited about what the
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  Speaker 2: future holds. Me Also, there was supposed to be a sequel,
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  Speaker 2: which was written by Terry McMillan. Getting Getting to the
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  Speaker 2: Happy I believe was the title. But soon after Whitney
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  Speaker 2: Houston did pass away, so all the casts pretty much
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  Speaker 2: said they would not They did not want to go
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  Speaker 2: on without her. The author even said that they wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: know what to do without her character and they didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to replace her. So I think it's just been
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  Speaker 2: kind of sitting in the water keep. It may be
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  Speaker 2: one of those things where it keeps coming back up,
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  Speaker 2: maybe a revamping or something, because in twenty twenty three
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  Speaker 2: there was another article saying that there was going to
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  Speaker 2: be a sequel, but I'm not sure. With guest appearances
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  Speaker 2: with the original, we've seen that happen many times, so
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  Speaker 2: who knows. Who knows what that looks like because to me,
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  Speaker 2: most of those women look exactly the same. So if
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  Speaker 2: you look at Angela Basker like what, she looks exactly
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  Speaker 2: the same. But yeah, so because of that, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: really sure if there's going to be a sequel. If
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  Speaker 2: y'all know anything different, let us know, because this is
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  Speaker 2: a classic. It was It did hit number one in
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  Speaker 2: the box office when it was first released. Made over
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  Speaker 2: eighty million dollars I think in the first week of it,
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  Speaker 2: which is big for nineteen ninety five in a movie
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  Speaker 2: like this. They won different awards as well as been
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  Speaker 2: nominated through different awards, And obviously it's a classic, and
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  Speaker 2: I think it's it's a pretty good, feel good movie
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  Speaker 2: when you go through, when you wade through all the mess.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got some shocking moments.
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  Speaker 2: There was a lot of shocking moments, of course, and
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  Speaker 2: they seem to be repeating each other's mistakes. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: then but they would be ashamed of some things and
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  Speaker 2: they come back and talk about it. But the dynamic
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  Speaker 2: was beautiful. So yeah, let's get on to the themes. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: I think the number one theme outside of finding love
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  Speaker 2: is friendship, which these four have an amazing friendship. The
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  Speaker 2: immediately when they found out that Bernie was getting a
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  Speaker 2: divorce or that her husband had left her, they call
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  Speaker 2: in to check on her and try to find her
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  Speaker 2: and try to get to her. Savannah Whitney Houston's character
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  Speaker 2: shows up and they have drinks together and they talk
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  Speaker 2: about what's going on and like how to move on.
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  Speaker 2: We see the big birthday celebration for Gloria that kind
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  Speaker 2: of turns into a mess, but then comes back.
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  Speaker 1: It did really turn into a mess. And you know
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  Speaker 1: the thing is, we can all relate even though you
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  Speaker 1: could be embarrassed about it. If I've been that friend too,
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  Speaker 1: where you had a celebration that's not about you, but
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  Speaker 1: you're going through something.
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  Speaker 2: It comes and it comes, and they all sit there
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  Speaker 2: talking about what they don't want to men and they're
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  Speaker 2: having that conversation. I think we've all had similar conversations
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  Speaker 2: when you realize you've gone through a pile of men
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  Speaker 2: or a pile of relationships that just wasn't going to work,
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  Speaker 2: but you really thought maybe, and then the hindsight kicks in. Yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I do love that they all find each other and
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  Speaker 2: realize how strong they are together collectively and then separately
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  Speaker 2: as well. And they're all on different paths. Obviously, you
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  Speaker 2: have the salon owner. You have the housewife who's going
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  Speaker 2: to come out with her own business, who she's been
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  Speaker 2: discouraged all her life not to do the catering, but
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  Speaker 2: now she's about to, you know, throw it in and
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  Speaker 2: get into it. And then you have the high power executive,
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  Speaker 2: and then you have the producer doing her own thing,
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  Speaker 2: which is lovely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that one of the things I
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  Speaker 1: really liked about their dynamic was it they're they're the
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  Speaker 1: type of friends that will like have your back.
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  Speaker 3: But we'll call you out.
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  Speaker 1: They'll be like, wait, I love to see where Angela
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  Speaker 1: Bassi's character comes in. She's like, I want a hair cut, glorious. Like, no,
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  Speaker 1: we're not doing it. She's like, no, I want this
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  Speaker 1: hair cuts.
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  Speaker 3: Like fine, she.
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  Speaker 1: Just starts cutting her hair really halpaardly, and then.
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  Speaker 2: It turns because they were like, I don't like it.
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  Speaker 3: But it was such a great seed of like I
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  Speaker 3: think you're being idiot.
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  Speaker 2: Fine, then we'll do it, because uh yeah, Barney is
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  Speaker 2: like I'll do it myself, and you're like, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: was gonna go real bad. That's gonna go real bad.
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  Speaker 2: Don't let her do it. Don't give her banks, don't
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  Speaker 2: give her her banks.
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  Speaker 3: But she looks me.
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  Speaker 2: Think it's pretty usual. I think she kept that signature
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  Speaker 2: hairstuff for the longest time because they liked good on her. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: the friendships go underneath us. But when I say relationships,
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  Speaker 2: were going to say like partnerships or whatever, So we're
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  Speaker 2: relationships or love interests. That was definitely the theme. We
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  Speaker 2: had the good, the bad, the h and the renewal,
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  Speaker 2: I will say, but obviously there wasn't much good up
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  Speaker 2: until till the end. I think because the good relationship
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  Speaker 2: was Gloria and the Neighbor played by Gregory Hines, and
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: I kept saying Gregory Hines. My partner was like, what,
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  Speaker 2: like if you don't know who Gregory Hines is and
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  Speaker 2: you just don't know the nineties the eighties has tap dancing.
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  Speaker 2: He was glorious, but like it really was. All those
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  Speaker 2: relationships were so kind of like, oh because none of
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  Speaker 2: them or anything that all of them were either married
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  Speaker 2: or unemployed or apparently drug dealer as one was. So
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of like, okay, pick and choose your fighters everyone,
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  Speaker 2: And even with like the Wesley Snipe thing, I'm still
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  Speaker 2: kind of like, this is not a good situation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like I don't know if this would
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  Speaker 3: be like emotional cheating. No, I'm not sure it.
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  Speaker 2: Is emotional cheating, and like I understand mourning your your partner,
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  Speaker 2: but we also know most men are the one to
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  Speaker 2: leave women and their sicknesses.
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  Speaker 1: So like, what the yeah, yeah, I feel like every
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  Speaker 1: time we watch one of these like quote romantic movies
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  Speaker 1: or there's a lot of I guess relationships going on.
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  Speaker 1: Not necessarily romantic movies, but there's a lot of relationships
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  Speaker 1: in them. I leave thinking men are trash.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I mean, that does seem like the theme here. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: most men are trash liars, all the all them liars,
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  Speaker 2: apparently unless they've been widowed.
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  Speaker 3: Unless they've been widowed. Also like.
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  Speaker 2: They're chunky.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a strange. I couldn't figure out what's
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  Speaker 1: going on in that plot line for a minute. Wait
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  Speaker 1: a minute, okay, I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean I thought they would Ultimately, I thought he was
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  Speaker 2: going to come back and it was going to be
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  Speaker 2: redeemed because he was like, you know you, maybe I'm
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  Speaker 2: not your ideal, but I can give you everything you want.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's really sweet. Also, I can't
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  Speaker 2: tell if they're lying, Like I just waited for the
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  Speaker 2: shoe to drop, because I swore Wesley Snipe was lying.
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  Speaker 3: Right, like it was a big grift something right.
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  Speaker 2: The entire time of course, I think that like even
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  Speaker 2: though it's kind of like what is happening, that still
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  Speaker 2: kind of was like hope of renewal for Bernie's character
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  Speaker 2: to see that there are men out there who do
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: want a treasure the people they love, because she was
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: jealous of the fact that he loved his wife as
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: much as he did, even though his actions did not
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: necessarily prove it to me at that point. But again
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I digress. But the fact that that that you can
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: have that and you can see that was a thing
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I think for a Gloria's character. She didn't think she
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: could be loved and said that she was too fat
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: and all these things and just really didn't think she
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: deserved it. And and Gregory Hines's character was like, no, no, no,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: here you are. I love you, you know, immediately, and
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: they grew together. Not only that, but he was a
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: father figure. When Tarik's father walked away, I guess that
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: was conflicting plot line two of like he abandoned his
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: son absolutely, but he came back around, and when they
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: found out he was gay, they kind of just dismissed him.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I couldn't quite figure that part out. I wasn't sure.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: It was an interesting sideline, I think, But those two so.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Bad because when I immediately saw him, I was like,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: oh no, they're kinda stays gay that.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: He was, and I felt horrible about the earring.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: In the nineties, that was their key way of like
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: letting you know, oh, this person is probably gonna be gay.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: His character is going to be gay because he's got
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: that that that is it in the left ring or
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: left ear ring or something that was going around as
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: a rumor when I was growing up, and I'm like,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: what what is happening? But yeah, essentially that was so yeah,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: that was that pot nineteen ninety five, y'all, nineteen ninety five.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: We have to all remember this because the acting was
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: not great. I think the only person that I was like, yes,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: getting it was of course Angela Bassett and her her
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: fierce anger you know when Heston did a great job too.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: But like when you come and see the shining of
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: the all of them. But like, the nineties had a
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: different level of acting skill that we saw, and I say,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: this is I don't act well, listen to our ads,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: but you can see the differences. But yeah, I think
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: that all the relationships really did have a ton of
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: like trying to grow, oh and trying to become better.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I think Whitney Houston's character really does. They don't highlight
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: it enough that she figures out she's okay, and she says,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I'm an assult because I've been with you and excusing
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: these things, and I don't want to be anymore. And
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: that's like that big ending is like yes, yes, here
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: we go. That's the realization.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Because again, like this is not unique to this movie
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: or not even to the nineties, but there was so
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: much like you've got to find a man. There is
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: even one line I wanted to write down where it's
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: like wow, or it was like a woman.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Without a man, what are you even doing with your life?
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: And she has this like producer job that she's really
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: good at and she's she loves and she's just got
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: this guy that she keeps waiting, like waiting like he's
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: gonna change, He's gonna change. And she finally has that
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: mom of like he's not gonna change, and because I've
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: been going along with it, I don't feel good about that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: And she has a great like public breakup scene yes nope,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: no more, and it was very it was very vindicating,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: and her mom had been pressuring her so much like
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: You've got to get a man. This one I like, right,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: she was like nope. And then they even have like
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: this moment where they have a big fight and then
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: immediately call each other back apologized, which I liked.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I also liked it was the
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: rotary or just the connected landlines, so you didn't know.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: She didn't know if it was her for short, and
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I didn't either me either.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: I was like, this could be anything, but I don't know.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Also, what kind of dude mary dude calls the mother
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: of the mistress to talk her into staying with him?
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: What that was a weird sideline too. I was like,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: what has happened? Why? Why is she why?
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I also like how open they were and that one
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: thing about like bad sex, yes, like wow, okay, yes,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: you know that's.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I think that's to me the beginning of like the
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: era of women like, yeah, let's do better than this,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: let's talk about this, let's do let's do better than this.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: This is not it, this is not it. And then
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: with the I think, of course, with the beginning of
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: everything falling apart and trying to find themselves, we see
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: the starting over.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Of course Bessett's character obviously going through all the emotions
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: that she has, the pain, the anger, the hurt, the dismissal,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: essentially the abandonment because she'd been there for him for years,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: helped build up this business. She was watching the Innerversary video.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: She made the business for him, quit her job to
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: help him, and he did all these things, which women,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: if you're in these relationships, watch this movie because she
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: talks about how women get scrolled over because they don't
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: have any property to their names. Nothing was under her name,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: so he got claims to everything. He could have gotten
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: claims had she not fought. But she's like the epitome
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: is starting over and finding herself and finding what makes
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: her happy and what she wanted to do and remembering
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: what she wanted to do before her life was about
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: her husband.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I do appreciate her her stories. I
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: felt was very honest in terms of, like, you know,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: she starts from that really understandably angry place, sets the
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: things on fire, calls her friends, gets a hair cut,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: it has the messy like drunk thing at her friend's party,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: her kids, you know, are being weird around her ex husband.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: But like her, and I do think like at first,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, because it felt very like she's
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: blaming the woman, which you know, there's some amount of blame,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: but then I think she kind of like became more
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: you know what, I don't need that if I get
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: what I need, then you be you do you I'm
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: outside of it. So I liked that it kind of
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: showed all of those kind of messy parts, right of
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: such a painful experience.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Right. And then also for Gloria starting over with her
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: child leaving, you know, the one thing that she's been
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: focused on for so long, leaving the home and being successful,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: and she's been worried about him. She caught him with
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: a girlfriend. Uh awkward, and then you know, starting over
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: a relationship where she learns to be loved again, Like
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: it was a beautiful beginning for her as well, like
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: starting all of that, and and the fact that he
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: her child doesn't need to write at the airport, so
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: she just feels so like Stockley alone and so she
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: goes and then realizing she's not alone, which if you
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: were to be fine, then we have yes, uh Robin
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: who her full concentration thinking that life could only start
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: with a man, but it's not. And she gets she's
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: going to start this with a child, and she's happily
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: going forward with this and knowing that she is successful,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: but she can do this as well. And then we
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: got a Savannah who realizes she can focus on her
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: career and doesn't need the baggage of a married dude.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: And she calmly tips the drink over. Loved that moment,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: She's like, drinks her on, you smack.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: A great ending line.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Great she walks, And Yeah, of course, with all this
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: resilience that no matter the difficulty you go through, the
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: bad men that you have to deal with, the stressful mama,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the stressful job of bad divorce, being cheated on, heatedly,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: being promised empty promises that you can survive it.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've got your friends that are there. Ye,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: next New Year's they'll be there again. Of course, I'm
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: trying to leave on a happy note.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: You're like.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: When you mase the show or a movie or a
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: book on reality, you start thinking, but what could really happen?
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: What happens later down this road? What happens when Robin
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: does have a child and like she needs it. I'm
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: sure all of her friends are going to be there.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: But then like you have Gloria and her new relationship,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: so she's got to foster that. And then you got
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Savannah who's got this now pretty probably hectic career being
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: a producer and having to like produce new content all
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: the time or better content all the time. And then
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: you have uh Bernie Bernie or Bernice who is trying
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: to start a business and be that girl with her
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: two children. Yeah, and then also maybe the love of
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: your life be maybe a widower now and coming to
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: see you all Whistley Snipes, who knows.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lot, but I think good friends,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you know, even if you don't see each other that often,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: that's true, you'll still make time.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Just as Savannah slash Whitney showed up for Bernie from
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: the beginning. I think they would all show up. It's true.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I think they would all show up, or Pete Whitney Houston.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so I think it was a really good film.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: It was very uh again still wait no day digs.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: To show up.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I was still confused.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I watched too.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I actually did it while I was I was like,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch this in my bad here we go,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Happy Valentine, stay to me. But yeah, like watching that
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: which is available y'all on streaming on Hulu if you're wondering.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Uh not a current sponsor have been a sponsor be
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: for but not currently and it is still streaming there
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: if you want to take a moment to watch it.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Think it's a good two our movie. This is when
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: the movies were long longer. But it doesn't feel that
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: way to me. Maybe maybe it's me watching all the
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: old technology. Annie, did you enjoy those moments?
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I did? You know? I did.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I was all the fonts I was documenting, because this
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: kind of laid out like journal entries, probably like Robin
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: and like a colored fonts, and then there's like narration
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: coming in. It reminded me kind of like early sex
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: in the City with the Yeah.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I think it would have been the beginning of it,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: to be.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Honest exactly, But yes, I I was eating it up.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I was like, look at that old technology.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: The voicemails, the answering machine, the answering machine. I was
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: thinking about you. I was like, oh, I won't know
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: what things on this.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, that answering machine used to be a big part
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: of that used to be a thing. Oh my gosh,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: it was stressful. See if you couldn't take it back
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: if you messed it up.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: But also like answer machines, like everyone can hear you
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: so being not an only child and know when you
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: played it and you're like looking around and they're like,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: oh stop it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Mmmm stress.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I thought about that because you know now that it
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: went to voicemail where they did it online there was
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: service which was like magic.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: M mm hmmm.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Think that my mom now has now has it back
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: on her landline like you play it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom does. I hate it.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: When I'm home she doesn't answer the phone because she's
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: like the nicest person ever and doesn't want to like
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: take attention away from me being home. But I'll hear
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: people leaving messages on her answering machine and it freaks me.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Out a little.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Technology. But I think we do need to come back
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: and do watch how Stella got her groove back. Now
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: that I'm like where, I'd love to Where's Tayley?
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I could finally put a movie to the poster that
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I for some reason remember so well.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which was in nineteen ninety eight. It looks like
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: it was at night. Oh Whoopie Goldberg, isn't it too?
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: This may be also a Who's who coming into this?
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: This is also a Terry McMillan book, I believe. And
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: then she I'm sure she helped with the screenplay, so
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: we need to come back to that. That's a nineteen
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: ninety eight release. But yes, I know the post you're
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: talking about because I'm looking at it right now. There's
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Tay though I found Tay.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I must remember it so well because that was like
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: right around when Star Wars came out episode one, so
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I must have been in the theater a lot.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, I see, and you saw the poster or a
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: preview or something. Okay, I was like, what I can Well,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: it looks like it's also on Hulu, so maybe we
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: will have to come back round. And because this is
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: going to be apparently an Angela Bassett appreciation film ooh
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: pscography type of thing, I think we might need to
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: because yeah, I absolutely adore Women's Center movies. Anyway, we
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: know we need to yeah, be watching more of those.
• 31:10
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• 31:12
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• 31:14
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• 31:18
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• 31:26
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