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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here
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  Speaker 1: at Jillette Stadium, our final show of the week because
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow is Thanksgiving, So happy pre Thanksgiving to everyone out there.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be doing this show. Gotta hurry because we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to do picks a lot of early games Slate.
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  Speaker 1: We've got three Thursday games in a Black Friday game
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  Speaker 1: this week, and I want to write a little read
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  Speaker 1: a little thing a little later. It's from Joe Pompoliano,
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  Speaker 1: who kind of covers the league from a business standpoint.
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  Speaker 1: He's got some interesting story about how Amazon is handling
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  Speaker 1: this Friday game. I thought it was interesting, so maybe
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  Speaker 1: I'll read it. It's not long, but how they.
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  Speaker 3: Should indicate how they claim that there's like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: eighty two million more people actually watching it than are.
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  Speaker 1: Something to that effect. But it's really today, it's really
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  Speaker 1: more of it technology.
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  Speaker 3: I think, do you want me to just do it now?
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  Speaker 3: I know? I mean, we could break down the two
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  Speaker 3: and eight.
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  Speaker 1: So this is Joe at Joe Pompeliano. He says Amazon
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  Speaker 1: is paying one hundred million dollars to broadcast the NFL's
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  Speaker 1: first ever Black Friday game, but it's really a chess
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  Speaker 1: move to steal market share from brick and mortar stores
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  Speaker 1: and generate online sales. Let me explain. Thanksgiving Day football
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  Speaker 1: has always been huge. Last year's games average thirty three
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  Speaker 1: and a half million viewers, including forty two million viewers
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  Speaker 1: for Cowboys Giants, the most watched regular season game of
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  Speaker 1: all time. I didn't know that. Then he goes into twenty.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty the most watched regular season game on Thanksgiving of
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  Speaker 3: all time.
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  Speaker 1: He just said, of all time.
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  Speaker 3: This didn't clari It wasn't the Monday night game that
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  Speaker 3: just happened like yesterday, the most watched most.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he wrote this two days early. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know anyway. Twenty twenty two average viewership NBA Christmas Day
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  Speaker 1: was four point twenty seven million, NFL Thanksgiving Day was
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  Speaker 1: thirty three and a half million. But the NFL has
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  Speaker 1: never done a Black Friday game because one, and I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know this. It's a holiday known for people leaving
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  Speaker 1: the house to go shopping and do that. But two,
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  Speaker 1: the Sports Broadcasting Act of nineteen sixty one prohibits courts
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  Speaker 1: prohibit President prohibits NFL games on Fridays after six o'clock
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  Speaker 1: and all day on Saturdays during the fall. This rule
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  Speaker 1: was implemented by Congress to protect high school and college
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  Speaker 1: football from seeing a decline in attendance and viewership because
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  Speaker 1: of the NFL. But Amazon offered the NFL one hundred
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  Speaker 1: million for the game, so they decided to put it
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  Speaker 1: at three pm ET to skirt the rule. And it's
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  Speaker 1: an even better deal for Amazon. Amazon is allowing anyone
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  Speaker 1: to watch. Amazon's first Thursday night football broadcast generated more
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  Speaker 1: Prime signed Prime signups than any three hour window in
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  Speaker 1: company history. And Amazon is also reportedly charging two x
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  Speaker 1: more than their Thursday night football broadcast for thirty second
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  Speaker 1: ad placement and he goes into what those pricing is.
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  Speaker 1: But more importantly, Amazon will leverage its new ad strategy
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  Speaker 1: called audience based Creative. This will enable brands to target
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  Speaker 1: different audience segments with different ads in the same time slot.
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  Speaker 1: For example, according to adage bows we know bos right
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  Speaker 1: will show three different three I'll show three different ads
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  Speaker 1: using Amazon's ad technology. The first ad features Joe Burrow
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  Speaker 1: and will be delivered to non Prime members, while the
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  Speaker 1: other two Bose ads will feature different products and be
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  Speaker 1: s only to Prime members based on their Amazon Prime
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  Speaker 1: search history. Oh god, and here's the best part. These
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  Speaker 1: targeted ads will also be shoppable, meaning viewers can watch
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  Speaker 1: the commercial, place the product in their cart with the
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  Speaker 1: click of a button, and check out without ever leaving
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  Speaker 1: the broadcast.
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  Speaker 3: Fall.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes Amazon's broadcast far more valuable than a
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  Speaker 1: typical commercial. Brands will be able to retarget these customers
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  Speaker 1: after the game, and it also gives us a view
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  Speaker 1: into how brand advertising could look in the future. So
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  Speaker 1: it goes on, but very I think that's pretty cool,
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  Speaker 1: very interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Watching us. Which one is?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so, now, like, why would Amazon pay all
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  Speaker 1: that money for Thursday? And now it's starting to become
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  Speaker 1: a little clear about you know, if they're going to
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  Speaker 1: do it for Black Friday, they'll probably keep doing it
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  Speaker 1: for other games.
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  Speaker 3: And if you want to be a player in this arena,
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  Speaker 3: you are probably going to have to take some losses
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  Speaker 3: up front. Yeah, and pay more than you know, the
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  Speaker 3: big boys normally. But for a company like I get it.
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  Speaker 3: We're a company like Amazon. They can directly market to
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  Speaker 3: people they know who they are because you're signed in,
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  Speaker 3: if you're a prime member, you have So it's it's
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  Speaker 3: that very very smart that that worries me, that that
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  Speaker 3: might actually get me to watch the game. Yeah, because
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  Speaker 3: you know, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a prime member? Is everybody here a prime member?
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  Speaker 3: And I just want to I'm kind of curious to
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  Speaker 3: see what they would target, right, well, my house.
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  Speaker 6: Best stuff, like it's all gonna be stuff that Beth
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  Speaker 6: bought not But that's good, right, what's good for them that.
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  Speaker 3: You know what's coming up? Mike? But do you yes,
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  Speaker 3: I've been reminded.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 1: They they've always said that with you know, the world
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  Speaker 1: Wide Web, and you know we're gonna we're gonna get like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, targeted ads, and to some effect, you do
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  Speaker 1: get that based on your search history. But this to
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  Speaker 1: me is this is the silver bullet. And Amazon is
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  Speaker 1: a perfect company to take advantage of.
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  Speaker 5: Oh god, I'm gonna get so many dogs as it's
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  Speaker 5: just gonna be like Dona.
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  Speaker 1: Probably I would rather I would rather, I'm okay giving
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  Speaker 1: up a little bit of information to get things i'm
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  Speaker 1: interested in. I'm good with that exchange.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, well you still get like targeted ads. Like sometimes
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  Speaker 6: you will be watching shows and them it's just like
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  Speaker 6: a lot of like you know, male enhancements and things
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  Speaker 6: like that, and you're like, man, it's just the demo
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  Speaker 6: line in now, I don't get anything.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yah, Paul gets all like the rugged man.
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  Speaker 3: One, but the outdoor soap there, yeah, right, working man, right,
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  Speaker 3: So it's going to be a lot of dogs. That
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  Speaker 3: is interesting. I'm curious now to see what what kind
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  Speaker 3: of ads they they throw at? What do I get?
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  Speaker 3: I don't generally watch any of that. I don't watch
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  Speaker 3: the Thursday night games because of the ads.
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I want to change the channel and I can't.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's going to be targeted to my wife primarily,
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  Speaker 6: who buys most of the Amazon stuff, So you know,
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  Speaker 6: like that's and she's not going to watch.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know. Maybe when you.
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  Speaker 1: Go to Amazon Prime and ask you who's watching? So
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  Speaker 1: have you never signed into Amazon Prime?
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  Speaker 8: No?
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  Speaker 3: I have?
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  Speaker 1: I have, So there's a little square.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, what if I select the kids no one
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  Speaker 6: will be getting then.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you want to. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: I have a profile. I think I just hit best.
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  Speaker 1: So you're going to get all best stuff. And so
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  Speaker 1: now you'll know what you're going to get for Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: Or what that wants for. I was kind of hoping
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  Speaker 3: I would know what to get bet for.
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  Speaker 6: Well, maybe you can just do your Christmas shopping right
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  Speaker 6: during the game calls.
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  Speaker 3: Click, you know, because what better way for me to
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  Speaker 3: shop than watching a football game and hitting that might
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  Speaker 3: have been made for me.
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  Speaker 1: But I think Amazon is going to show the way
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  Speaker 1: to a lot of the companies, and I think the
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  Speaker 1: next step for me is gambling, where you can just
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  Speaker 1: sit on your couch with your remote. Exfinity is involved.
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  Speaker 1: They get some of the big and you can place
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  Speaker 1: bets on your remote.
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  Speaker 3: We can't do that though.
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  Speaker 1: No we can't, but the public will be able to
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  Speaker 1: do that.
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  Speaker 3: So you brought up the gamboling thing. Do you think
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  Speaker 3: do you think there's any potential pitfalls for the NFL
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  Speaker 3: with like the Cincinnati situation last week last Thursday, ironically
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  Speaker 3: in the last stream on oh not yeah, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean Cincinnati, you have to enforce them.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not talking about since Cincinnati. Cincinnati should be in
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  Speaker 3: trouble for lying on the injury point. They'll probably get fined.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm talking about like like the Portnoy nonsense of
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  Speaker 3: like a class action suit against the NFL for you know,
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  Speaker 3: not you know, people who bet on that game not
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  Speaker 3: knowing that Burrow was hurt. Well, like, did you think
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  Speaker 3: there's any issues for the league at lot?
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  Speaker 8: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Like, I get like Cincinnati clearly took liberties at the
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  Speaker 3: very least with the injury report. That he should have
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  Speaker 3: been on the injury report even though they knew he
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  Speaker 3: was playing, he was hurt, and they knew he was hurt,
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  Speaker 3: and they should have developed that. I think they shoul
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  Speaker 3: you'd be fine for it if they haven't already. No,
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  Speaker 3: but you're right, But but but I mean bigger picture, And
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  Speaker 3: Portnoy was on this and is not a dumb guy.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's he knows how to stir the hornets nest.
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  Speaker 1: No, before gambling was legal, you had no recourse. You're
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  Speaker 1: not supposed to be doing it anyway, right, But now
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  Speaker 1: that it's legal, it opens up that door.
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  Speaker 3: It's tough.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you have you know the issues with like players,
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  Speaker 6: gambling stuff like that, all those issues are going to
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  Speaker 6: come to a head, and it just it makes it
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  Speaker 6: so easy. Like I don't know, there's part of me
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  Speaker 6: that knows there are people that are going to struggle
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  Speaker 6: with that. Like just easy bet boom, you know, and
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  Speaker 6: next thing you know, you're ten grand in the hole
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  Speaker 6: because it's so easy just to hit your remote button
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  Speaker 6: instead of having any sign.
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  Speaker 5: Just like you know, not that I know from experience,
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  Speaker 5: but like at first it's like, oh, it's just twenty bucks.
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  Speaker 5: It was twenty bucks, and then it becomes forty, and
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  Speaker 5: then it becomes sixty, and then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 5: you're I think.
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  Speaker 3: That the way in is like parlays.
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  Speaker 6: That's what I used to do, where it's just you know,
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  Speaker 6: it's a five dollars three different thing. You know, it's
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  Speaker 6: no money, but you know if you hit all three
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  Speaker 6: and then it makes the whole day interesting.
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  Speaker 3: That was the way when.
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  Speaker 6: I did a little bit back in the day college
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  Speaker 6: football gambling that who I got kind of into.
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  Speaker 3: It, Yeah, before I worked betting on basketball.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it was primarily motivated when you have no real
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  Speaker 6: rooting interest in a game, and it's like I'm going
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  Speaker 6: to this party. I remember this like eleven or twelve
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  Speaker 6: when it was a big deal USC Notre Dame. I
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  Speaker 6: think it was like Reggie Bush and you know, those
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  Speaker 6: years and stuff, and it.
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  Speaker 3: Was one of the greatest reactions in the Patriot, huge
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  Speaker 3: on the butt number when you got there, Fred, I
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  Speaker 3: forget the Bush. Yeah, that game. Yeah, mcginniston, Givens almost
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  Speaker 3: came to blow after.
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  Speaker 1: That's funny.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that I mean not real blow, you know,
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  Speaker 3: not really, it was.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that was the fun of it though,
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  Speaker 6: is when you don't really have a rooting interest, you know,
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  Speaker 6: you're gonna be stuck watching the game, So let's do
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  Speaker 6: a little yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean listen, I you know, back in the day,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I lived on Commab with a bunch of guys.
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  Speaker 1: We had six bedrooms in this apartment, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: we bet on Sunday and it was fun it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, what is the amount of Edwards had
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  Speaker 1: to do it? Well, I'm just saying. We literally called
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  Speaker 1: it the men's club, you know, And so like Sunday
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  Speaker 1: would sit around, eat and watch football and and put
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  Speaker 1: a little action on it and it just made the
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  Speaker 1: whole day interesting, even if you could care less about
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  Speaker 1: the teams.
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  Speaker 3: You know, money involved skin in the game, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, that's that's what you guys get excited.
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  Speaker 3: I don't really get.
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  Speaker 1: The guy who used to pick up pick up our
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  Speaker 1: losses was a Boston fireman.
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  Speaker 3: So I had never gambled before. So no, not in
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  Speaker 3: games now. I haven't for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Just gamble on life.
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  Speaker 5: All the time, you know, I know, I like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I play a little Blackjack here and there, but like
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  Speaker 5: I've never actually placed a bed.
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  Speaker 1: Honest Now that we're I've done, Now that we're employees,
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  Speaker 1: have Patriot, we can no longer gamble.
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  Speaker 6: Honestly, I kind of am happy about that because it's
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  Speaker 6: just I don't it's just a road I don't need
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  Speaker 6: to really go down.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely definitely a while though, I'm like, I wish I
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  Speaker 3: right the ease of it now. I would like, especially
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  Speaker 3: like a week like last week and watching red Zone
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  Speaker 3: all day, I would like to have like a couple
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  Speaker 3: of small, little twenty dollars things just to have fun with.
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  Speaker 3: But I haven't. I haven't had a bet and all. Honestly,
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  Speaker 3: I haven't had a bet on a game since high school.
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  Speaker 1: High school.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, which kind of stinks.
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  Speaker 6: You bet on high school games, made a bundle on
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  Speaker 6: ever High.
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  Speaker 3: What he got on every with the action on ever tonight. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's been thirty years. Probably same. I wasn't big on
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  Speaker 3: the Joey. I know you make fun of me all
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  Speaker 3: the time for being an Everett friend. I was not
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  Speaker 3: big on the Joey the nose. I always thought, I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to be the one that gets caught. I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to get in trouble. I don't do a lot of that. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 3: poor won't see him no more.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's what I always thought, all right, eight five
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  Speaker 1: five pasts five hundred disease Take an outline web radio
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  Speaker 1: at pages dot com. It is the day before Thanksgiving,
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  Speaker 1: so we're not going to be having a show tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: but of course we'll have the pregame, post game and
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: everything on Sunday, and we do have a game on Sunday.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones spoke this morning, and Mac Jones spoke, I'm
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: not surprised anyone surprised that he spoke today. No, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know you're not. You're gonna put back out. If
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  Speaker 1: you have to put a quarterback out, you're gonna put
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  Speaker 1: him out. I think he's gonna start. I did too, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 3: I'm really not sure.
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  Speaker 1: You're not sure.
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  Speaker 3: I know that sounds wishy washy, but I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think, Evan?
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  Speaker 5: I I don't think he should start. I think this
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  Speaker 5: is a bad spot for him to try to get
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: whatever you want to call it, the yips where the yeah,
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  Speaker 5: the scene ghosts well.
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  Speaker 1: As I said in Mike's roundtable that he's circulated, I
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  Speaker 1: think he's gonna start, but it's going to be a
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: very short leash. And they told and they're gonna tell
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  Speaker 1: him so before the game.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I just don't see what benefit of that.
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  Speaker 1: How does he how does he deal with that pressure?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we've I mean, but they've already put him under
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  Speaker 5: like like I feel like that's what his whole career
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  Speaker 5: is Ben and it hasn't gone right.
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  Speaker 6: But I don't think they've ever said in a game
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  Speaker 6: double secret probation.
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  Speaker 1: Bailey, Bailey's going to be ready. It's a short leash.
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  Speaker 3: Good luck. Yeah, that splits it. Good for anybody. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think it's good for anybody. I mean, that a
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  Speaker 3: good way to go into a game.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not if winning at all costs is the objective,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think it is. I think at this
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  Speaker 1: point it's who do we have?
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  Speaker 3: Who's with you?
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  Speaker 1: Who are our players?
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  Speaker 6: And that's what I was getting out at the second
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  Speaker 6: question in the like, no matter who starts, like, what
• 15:36
  Speaker 6: are they looking for?
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, is it out there?
• 15:38
  Speaker 6: Like I just don't know how Mac Jones can fix
• 15:40
  Speaker 6: all the problems that we've talked about over the last
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: what five six weeks when it's really just started to
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: devolve for him with his throwing off his back foot,
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: you know, not having any pocket presence, inability to escape
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: any kind of pressure.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: How does that get right? In what four days off? Why?
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: That's why I would start Zaby, That's why I would
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: took us. I think Zappi is going to go out
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: and throw for eight hundred yards in five touchdowns.
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: I know I'm with you, and that's and that's and
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: I'm kind of bummed that I feel this way. But
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: it's just like if they if they haven't made a
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: move to Zappi now, like why, like what's like, I
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: don't think they're going to unless Mac completely poops his
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: pants in this game, like you said, and you know
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: in early in the game, and it looks, you know,
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: he gets that terrible pick out of the way in
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: the first drive, and then it's.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: Like, but what did you expect him to do if
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: he starts this game and doesn't finish it for a performance,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: don't you think you just start the next game?
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I want to see.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: That's how I felt last year.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: I mean's you can make the argument that his job's
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: been on the line the whole way through, but I
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: wanted to see, how are you going to react when
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: I tell you your job's on the line right now?
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: Like that's operating under the assumption that hasn't been.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Told, right, I said, I'm like, it could have already
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: been done that, But I I you know, I still
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: think they shouldn't have taken him out that game. Yeah,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: one drive left, let's see what he can do.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: So I just I would have taken him out two
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: drives ear Yeah like that, Like, let's not make it
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: sound like I wouldn't have taken him off because of performance.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Would because you think Zapi could have done better.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: I think I know he can't do better. I've seen
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: it for two plus years.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I still think he's the best
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: quarterback on the team.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: I think this is the best quarterback on the team
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: if he was mentally correct. But I just this is
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: a matchup against the Giants that Wink Martindale sends more
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: pressure at quarterbacks than any coach in the league.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Trent Browns back.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: But blitz pressure.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: We're gonna They're gonna bring pressure from everywhere. And you're
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: telling me that the best idea for to get any
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: whatever path you want to take moving forward with Mac,
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: he's on your football team, and he's under contract for
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: next year, and he's part of this organization right now.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: The best path forward, after he clearly displayed that he
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: is just seeing ghosts and all out of sorts in Germany,
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: is to throw him into a game against Wink Martindale,
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: who's gonna blitz him on fifty percent of his dropbacks,
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: is going to bring five and six man pressure.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: When did the Giants' defense become the eighty five bear.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: That's not the point, no, it is, I mean.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: But the point is is that he's already throwing off
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: his back foot. He's already throwing like all out of
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: swords against pressure, has no pocket presence.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: All this, as Bill O'Brian has said, he's played well
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: before and he can play well again. I want to
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: give him this last chance.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just I would much rather try
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: to A. I think that this is just to get it.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: I don't get that it's a terrible spot for him,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Like it's a terrible matchup. Yeah, I don't know about
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: the Matt I know, I know all about the blitzing. Like,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: to me, you're playing an NFL team. That's a bad matchup. A.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm dead serious, Like because he is. I
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: think Mike said it earlier in the show, Like what
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: evidence do you have that all of a sudden, the
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: backfoot throws, the not feeling the pressure and feeling too
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: much pressure is going to all of a sudden evaporate
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: after three years.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't feel enough pressure.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not talking about pressure for your job. I'm
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: talking about actual physical pressure on the field pass rush,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: that's what Evan's talking about. The Giants heat you up.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: The Giants are not the best defense in football, but
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: it's a pretty good defense that's made to look really
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: bad by their offense. Like they get put in a
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: lot of bad spots.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: You're gonna have Dexter Lawrence coming up the middle against
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: the guy that doesn't already want already doesn't want to
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: step up in the pocket. He's gonna be thrown off
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: his back foot all day long. And I just I
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: don't understand how that is beneficial for Mac, Like Mac
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: the asset, Like, how does that help him which opponent?
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Well, that's that's assuming that you believe he is an
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: asset going forward. I want to see.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: I just see if last year was just a complete
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: and total. I just want to see one game. I
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: just want to see if it looks different last year,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: it looked different when he played. I just want to
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: see it once. I don't think Zappie's better than Jones.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know it's fair, but I just want to
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: see if the offense looks different.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: But if that's if that's the kids, and we don't know,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: he'd better be getting the majority of the snaps in practice.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: If that's what they're gonna do with Zappy this week,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: it's only fair day.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Ever, Starting is getting the majority of well, I hope So.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know who Starting.
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: I hope So and Mac talked about it a little
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: bit this morning, and it was like, you know, it
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: was like one of those things do you expect to start?
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: And I know Paul mentioned that people were running with
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: his response a little bit, which I think was just
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: what did he say?
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Just a classic Mac? I hope?
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: So I hope So that's the plan, Like, you know,
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: that's for him, that's his plan, that's his plan.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: How I read it.
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: But the guys did a good job asking him questions
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: just about rotating snaps and stuff, and you know, so
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: he did like kind of acknowledge that that's what's been
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: going on. So I just I don't know, is somebody
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: gonna emerge today to Friday?
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: And you know, is that it's gonna be And if
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: you guys don't agree, feel feel free. We could just
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: drop it. I mean, I do not think that practice
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: has a lot to do with this, Like I don't
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: think that Bailey's Appy is gonna go out there and
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: string two good practices together when they're gonna say, you
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: know what, Mac.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe not this week, but I think practice overall has
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: always a lot to do with it. And I think
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: if Bailey's Happy had shown this season that he's coming on,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: he would have had more opportunities than he already has.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: You could say that about training camp. I'm about talking
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: about week two practice. It's all different than backup quarterbacks
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: don't get the reps mostly it's mostly just mop up.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: But you but you're still said he didn't even have
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: many I mean, how many opportunities did he have to
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: run the two minute drill? Like, and then he puts
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: him out there for the two minute drill. It's like, yeah,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: he's done. He's done well with some of his opportunities,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: like these coaches know.
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: But but you're saying that with your belief that there
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: isn't really a lot of reps being divvied up evenly.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Because if you're really trying to get a quarterback ready
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: to play in the game, he needs to get the
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: reps right.
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: And that's why it's such a disservice if this isn't
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: really what and these questions again, we're saying, are you
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: gonna be able to get ready if you don't have
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: the bulk of the reps? And how do you prepare
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: the quarterback when you're in the middle of Oh, he
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: got his six reps, Now your turn.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Like I'm one hundred years old and I only remember
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: things from like twenty five years ago, but I remember
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Bill telling me how it's not feasible to get two
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks ready for a game. Back in two thousand and one,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: oh Brian said that I'll never find that.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: So somebody else did. It was on Twitter. Somebody else
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: found that.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: You know who I like. I like to credit people.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: It was either Mark Daniels or I don't think it
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: was Kayed. It might have been. It's one of the
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: touchdown guys, I think. But somebody pulled that out. What
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: was a GRD No GRD. Jardi gave kudos to the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: person who un go to gr That's how I saw
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: it because Grdi reposted it, so.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: So go to gr Obrian said that two is doable.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: You can get two guys. You know you can give
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: two guys competitive reps.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Andy Hart?
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, Andy Hart? Who Why didn't I know that?
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Andy Hart? I don't think you can really get two
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks ready. I think you can get one ready. And
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: that is what we have to do. We have to
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: get one guy ready to play, and that is my
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: responsibility to the football team.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Two thousand.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Will Belichick in two.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Thousands, and that makes sense because at that time Andy
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: was in the PR department for the page.
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: He probably transcribed that yeah, good job. And I saw
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: Andy in full football regalia there, and Ei had.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: His helmet on.
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: Such how does they had helmets big enough for him
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: at Dartmouth High School?
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: They would have to order out.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Well, actually, you know you know the things you you spaghetti,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: you put calendar, your calendar, that's all it is.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he look good though. He was still filling out
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: his helmet pretty nice.
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: Got his stickers on there and everything, Dartmouth jacket, captain
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: and cool.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: So we wore all those in here. Once. Fred had
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: his wrestling single it on. Ooh, lame would have liked that.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: He didn't really.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I brought it, but I didn't wear it.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: And I had I had my bu letterman jacket. He
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: had his dartmouths jacket. I think I chucked mine. We
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: were you know, we had a dork vest.
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's fun memories, glory days, right, am I wrong?
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Eric got his quicker jacket.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Mine was from college.
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: So you know that the leather, the leather sleeves.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: I had the leather sleeves, that's the Dartmouth one was
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: a leather.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: My my letter jacket for tennis. That's stolen.
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: Really we would do that, you know, I don't have
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: on it was it like a sweater with like it
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: was like one of those.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: They just steal for the.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Something you tiere on your shoulders, just.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: The big letter like D for Dennis. Why sweater golf sweater?
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: All right, we're having fun, good stuff.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: So the Trent Brown thing you brought up real quick,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: would you guys think of that? There are two parts
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: of it.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: There was the I mean death in the family, which
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: you know, and that's why I didn't hold the personal
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: stuff said last week, I don't know what that is.
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: A high end a low ankle sprain which stood out
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: to me and I'm like, so is he healthy?
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Is he able to go? He said, m c l sprain.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I didn't see that one too. I saw, I saw
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: knee and ankle. Yeah, well we knew that before. But
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: I was talking more like how much exception you took
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: to the report that he was late, and then said
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: when I late, I'm a grown man and if I
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: have to go to the bathroom, then you were late right,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: taking like I'm.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Either going to the bathroom or I'm getting something for
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the training room.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Like great, you weren't at the Bahamas when the meeting
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: was going on. But you weren't in the meeting.
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: Right, I I got to be honest, Am, I miss am,
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: I just misroom. I don't remember him, like, at least
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: as far as what we talked about. I remember him
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: getting looped into that. I thought we just kind of
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: avoided personal issue. I don't remember remember looping him into
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: the he was anything or anything like that.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: I try, I know, like, I'm really snarky, and I
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: get like why people make fun of me and stuff
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: don't like him. When there's a personal thing that I
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: don't know anything about, I stay away from it because
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: I think personal things can be a guy doesn't feel
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: like playing, but a personal thing can be very serious, right,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: And when I don't know it, I try really hard
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: to stay away from it. And he said his uncle
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: passed away. His uncle, Like that's a that's a significant issue.
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: But who was looping him into the your late crowd?
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know, oh Albert bre Report that said
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: he's habitually late. And I don't think he did anything
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: to his credit that other than say I was poopy.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I'm mad about that. Yeah, Well, the BS rhetoric, right, right,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: I think that was the phrase that he used. But
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: then when he explained it. You kind of explained that
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: he's been late. Now maybe it's not habitually, maybe he
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: has a problem. Maybe maybe maybe he asked, you know, teacher,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: can I go?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Can I give the wooden pass?
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: And the teacher looks at you, it says yeah.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: The hall monitors like making sure you have the pass?
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: You know, yeah, maybe, but I didn't.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Just curious how you guys felt about the trend. And
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: I admit I have a little bit of a bias there.
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: I mean, the biggest thing to me was just the injuries.
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: I mean those sounds significant. A high ankle screen, a
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: low ankles praying. Now you're telling me an mcl like,
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: how is he going to be able to play this weekend?
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I don't think he should play the rest of the season.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: Like, I just think that he's one of those guys
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: that I'm with Paul on this now because I've defended
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: him on the field. He's been good when he's been
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: healthy and he's been playing this year, he's been a
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: good player for them. I actually agreed with that part
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: of his quote. Not a high bar, but he has
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: probably been their best offensive player when he's been on
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: the field.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Did I say that yeah he said that about I
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: missed that he said that about himself. Yeah, yeah, put yeah,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: But but I agree with him.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, I it's just an example
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: of one of those guys that it's just not good culture. Like,
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: it's just not it's not what you're You can't build
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: a team particularly like that.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: How would you felt if Tom Brady said, you know,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: I've been the best offensive player in the team this year, right, true?
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: But no, no kidding, but like, would you feel good
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: about like listening to that? Yeah, who says that about themselves?
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: I mean show but I mean it's obvious.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Well, you know Breer. I heard Brear this morning when
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: he was talking about this whole thing. He's not backing down,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: and he said that, you know, back in the day
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: when Brady was here, he got to interview Belichick at
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: length and he said, what does it mean, you know,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: when your best player is the guy setting the tone?
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: You know along those lines in belichip pause and he said,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what you're looking for, you know, So in
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: this case, you could make the argument that he is
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: their best offensive player and.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: That's the tone.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: I think we probably just for the best of the
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: team is to get out of this kind of cycle
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: with him and move on with some like you know,
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: the third overall pick in the draft, left tackle, I'll come.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Over, Patrious Nation is about to attack.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: You, but likes the other guy. I heard he likes
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: the other tackle. I think they're different. I meant to
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: see if I could get them kicked.
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: Joe Alt is like your prototypical tackle. Shani is like
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: the athletic freak.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: You know, he's so so many choices.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're if you're looking for more of that,
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: like you know, outside zone Shanahan type stuff than I
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: think for Shani was probably better. But if you're looking
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: for that old school greater if you can get four.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: If you get stuck dropping down to four or worse,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: and they can get a trade down, you can't take
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: a tackle at four.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: I think that we were talking about this on catch
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: twenty two. You know, me and Barthur are are both
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: I think in the Joel camp.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Assuming that's fortunate, I got nothing to the.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Assuming that you can't get the quarterback obviously, like the
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: quarterback is number one, forevery no not you you want
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: the tackle, don't lie. But if you can't get because
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: My My whole thing is is like, all right, Marvin
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Harrison Junior is this great talent, but if you don't
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: have a quarterback that can throw them the ball and
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: the quarterbacks on his ass the entire game, then what
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: good is it that the receivers wide open down the field.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: So I look at like Garrett Wilson just getting wasted
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: with the Jets because they have both of those things.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: They have no pass protection, they have no quarterback. So
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: as great as Marvin Harrison junr Is, I I think
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: that it makes more sense to probably build up the line.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it does at all. On do you really think
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson would be wasted with that offensive line if
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers didn't get hurt? No, But but Garrett Wilson's
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: had some good games even with Zach Wilsons.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Right, But if you're assuming that they're not, they can't
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: get one of the quarterbacks, and so you're you whoever
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: is starting at quarterback for you next year, whether it's
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: Mac Jones or it's Jaden Daniels, it's it's gonna be
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: a guy that has flaws.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Then I'm gonna I'm gonna stun you. I'm gonna defend Mac.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: I think Mac would Garrett Wilson would have had a
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: terrific year this year on the Patriots with even even
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: with the Patriots offensive line in Mac. I think when
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: you're that good and you get open that quick fund,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: now Zach Wilson hasn't been able to consistently.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Do it if they have one, If they had, if
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the Patriots had, this is what I hear you saying, Paul,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: if the Patriots had one guy who had a terrific
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: year at that position, they would have won a few
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: more games than they'd won.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I agree, they'd be four and six.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: It's a couple of games.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they'd be out of it, but they would
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: be better. I agree. Yeah, I don't think it's all Mac.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: I've never said it's all Mac. I think I'm done
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: with that because I think that you kind of are
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: what you are. But that's that's sake. If you had
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: better players, you'd have a better record.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's part of the intrigue to me of Zappy.
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: Of not that I think he's the answer, but just
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: what does it look like? What does his energy bring
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: to this team?
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: You know, what?
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Like, just how does it unfold?
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: Is it exactly the same as he you know, just
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: missing guys and and and it's another disaster find But
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: I just we spend so much time trying to like
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: this part's of the offensive line. This is the lack
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: of weapons, This is the offensive corn, you know, divvying
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: up all the blame.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Just see what it looks like with a different quarterback.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: So what if what if he comes in and he's
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: not good?
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably what will happened. Who's zappy? Yeah he
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: won't be. What's the difference, Well, you don't know that,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: but like, what's the difference at least you know, what
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: do you go back to mac like for competition for
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: the rest of this year?
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Who cares?
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Just but what do you do?
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: I would play greer to find out about him?
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, yeah, Devin mccordy thinks we're going to What.
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: Is he's talking about?
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: I was just talking to Paul and like the will
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: almost a zero percent chance of him starting this week, Like.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: The will Grill Illuminati, Like they're like, we know things
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: that no one else knows.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: It's like a secret practice that they're having that they're
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: getting him ready.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: It was like fine at West Virginia.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I just.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: I think Paul said it earlier. You know right now
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: that Mac Jones is a broken player. You know, he's broken,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: and putting him out there in this game, I think
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: is just a recipe for him to be an absolute disaster,
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: which does that doesn't help you win a football game
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: if that's what you're interested in, and it doesn't help
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: Mac Jones and his you know, long term future. I've
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: kind of come around on just seeing what Bailey Zappi
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: can do, but I and more, I really just feel
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: like it just is not a good spot to put
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: Mac Jones back in. Like I just he's not going
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: to play well in this anything.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Like we all, I mean, I know would putwards them.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: I can't because you picked the other thing, you picked
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: the other way. I think this is a game they're
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: gonna win. I still think that. I know it's kind
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: of silly. Do you think there's anything to the fact
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: that maybe he's looking at us like we're gonna beat
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: the Giants?
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I mean gets the credit.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Yes, we're gonna win this game. I know that's like that.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I know it was.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: I know it was only one game, but they turned
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: Sam Howe over six times last week and if you
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: put the guy that literally is broken in a game
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: against a defense that just for six turnovers, Like, I
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: don't understand how that's gonna be good.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I know, but Paul's right. If somehow they win and
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Zappi is the quarterback, that's it for Mac for the season, Like,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: it makes.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: It really hard to go back on. Yeah, I agree
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: with that, but you know, the Garrett Wilson thing, I
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: was a little surprised that Evan didn't push back on.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: I was kind of anticipating I will say. What I
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: thought you were going to say is that, you know,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: the Patriots problems sort of developing wide receivers might make
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: that different is a strong word, but.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: This so I don't have If we were talking about
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: like the next tier of receivers like Roma Dunes from
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: from Washington or something like that, I'd be with. I
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: think Marvin Harrison junr Is like you literally can't break him,
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: Like he's oh no, I was just talking a yeah yeah,
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: Like I like, so when it comes to evaluating, like
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: if they should take Marvin Harrison Junior, he's so good
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: that I don't like, I don't care who you give
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: him to. He's gonna be fine, But I just if
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: you can't, if the quarterback can't throw the ball to
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: him and the offensive line can't protect the quarterback, you're like, again,
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: you're just gonna have this receiver down the field standing there,
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: and then he's gonna get frustrated and he's gonna TCHU.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Right right. Has there ever been a case of a team,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: you know, drafting a guy high and then immediately trading
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: him for an existing player that they wanted, Like, for example,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: let's say the Patriots drafted Marvin Harrison.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Has a first round pick ever been traded without playing
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: a game for that team?
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Like beyond like a Eli Manning kind of dispute. Yeah,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: not that I'm aware of, But that doesn't mean.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Like, like, what if the Patriots, you know, drafted Marvin
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Harrison and then traded him to the forty nine ers
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: for Brock Purty and Deebo Samuel I just.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Love First of all, Evan would quit because he hates
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: brock Purty. I have no interest in that trick, like you.
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: I don't think so, because when you just trade the picks,
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: if that was you know, I mean, unless how would
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: it all come together?
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: You know?
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: Like if they're like whoa, we really want this guy? Well,
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: then just come take the pick and let's swat.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I guess yeah, but he.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Was Brock Purty and Deebo Samuel for the pick.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Like the Deebo Samuel part of it makes it a
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: little bit more intriguing, but the rock party part of
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: it I can't get over. So the answer is here,
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: Brock perty Is I say it. He literally has the
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: easiest job in the NFL. I know, just just just
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: throw the ball where it's supposed to be thrown.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's not that easy in the NFL. I
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: would I give him credit for smarts.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: I would absolutely give him credit for his play too.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not lost in saying he should be
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: like an m v P or anything silly. I mean,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: he's like who went on the list. But but I
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: do think that I've watched that offense play and I
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: think this is as productive as it's been since he
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: took over.
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: Do you think they had any idea that he was
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: just going to be able to play like this for them?
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Like, I mean, it's just just a complete shot.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: But because play like what I know, watch it, like,
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: I just it's so god like. He's just he's throwing
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: to wide open.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: People like I, I don't understand.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I think you're exaggerated.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Did you did you see how wide opened?
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: What happens?
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: What do you mean it happened?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I mean Peate Manning didn't get you know, uh, black
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: marks because he was thrown to open you know, Marvin
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Harrison Senior or first of all he.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Did around here. But the people, the excluding you who
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: dubbed him nas.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Yeahod noodle arm. But but no, we all know that
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: it's more than penis head.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: I wonder how hard it is to make that three
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: yard throw in the flat to George Kittle and that really.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: You can't okay, I mean it's high comedy.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I'm here, as you said yesterday, I'm here for it.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: So Jimmy, it must be terrible then, yes, Jimmy has
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: always been terrible like this is not He hasn't the
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: Shrine of Shanahan.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, what's his record. He's got a pretty good record, right,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, Well.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Lance gotta be kicking quarterback. It's just like, yeah,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about the production has been infinitely better since
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Perty took over than it was. Jimmy the wins and
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: losses are similar. But Jim Jimmy didn't have Christian McCaffrey.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: That's true, fair enough, different had all the rest.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: He's a running who makes a difference, Paul, he is
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the only one in the league. Oh, don't give me that.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Come on, you've got you have to acknowledge his greatness.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, did you see the touchdown pass that the
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: great the dime that dropped that brock pretty dropped the
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: Christian McCaffrey. There was nobody within ten yards of him.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: I can't believe he made that throw. That was incredible
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: to me.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Guy was just important. You thinks there'll be someone narrow him?
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Who's calling off the place at the line, Bradford, all right,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: eighty five to five past five hundred is the ace
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: ticket hout line. Let's get to the phones because we
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: got a hurry today. Eric's in New Jersey.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: What's up?
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Eric?
• 38:36
  Speaker 10: Hey?
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: Tew you guys doing happy Thanksgiving?
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Guys too, thanks.
• 38:40
  Speaker 9: I just really want to talk not really about pictures,
• 38:42
  Speaker 9: but this bigger picture with the NFL and the product.
• 38:45
  Speaker 9: I think you guys are talking about it yesterday, but
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: just some of the fines that you know, even you've
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: seen Josh Josh Allen find you know, ten thousand just
• 38:53
  Speaker 9: for pointing, you know, Josh Jacobs, you know, just Lauren
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: has helped me.
• 38:57
  Speaker 10: It's just what is this?
• 38:58
  Speaker 9: What is this the product that it's I mean, the
• 39:00
  Speaker 9: quarterbacks already overprotected. I understand that, you know, these guys
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: are high paid, but they're how much more can you
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: protect the quarterback overall this league? It's just what is
• 39:09
  Speaker 9: this product? And you know, what is it looking forward
• 39:12
  Speaker 9: in the next ten to fifteen years, because it's just
• 39:14
  Speaker 9: continuously and continuously just kind of and I hate to
• 39:17
  Speaker 9: say the word soft. You know, these are real men
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: out here playing, but it's just I feel like there's
• 39:20
  Speaker 9: no scar tissue mentally built up physically and mentally, you
• 39:24
  Speaker 9: know some of these quarterback and I have to take
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: that off the line.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Thanks guys and have that okay? Thanks Eric?
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: I was confused.
• 39:30
  Speaker 11: I don't know.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: I saw a mac Wilson find from last week which
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: was like, like how far do you go in the
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: name of safety?
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: But like what I mean he said, like Josh Allen
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: got fined for pointing at a guy. How soft are we?
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: And then he was like how much more are we
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: going to protect? The quarterbacks, Like I didn't think those
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: two things.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Well, well, no, I think he's lumping everything together.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: But you know, there's gonna be injuries.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: And now they're talking about banning the hip drop tackle,
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: which like is honestly, like that's a fabrication, like a hit.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: The whole hip drop tackle thing is like a Twitter
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: creation hockey check is when So basically they the thing
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: is the NFL. They they wanted people to get the
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: head out of the tackle right right, So they taught
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: people to rap and then like roll, rap and roll.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: That's like the kind of the catchphrase. So if you're
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: asking people to grab onto guys and then like roll
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: down to like bring them down but on their legs,
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: isn't that just naturally dropping your hips?
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: So like it's ridiculous. I don't know how you legislated
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: it this way, like this is what you asked for
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: and are immage by the way some of the adjustments
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: that the league made. We always criticized the league. Some
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: of the things that they did to try to do
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: their best to get the head out was smart. Yeah,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: they they did. I think they they have helped a
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: little bit with player safety, but I agree one thousand
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: percent with Evan and I threw a rant about it
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: in the notes this week. I think back to like
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: the Seattle like videos that Pete Carroll was credited with
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: with the rugby style tackle, that's what this is. It's
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: more or less the hip drop tackle. Now they used
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: to show videos with the head to the side. You're
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: hitting with your shoulders, the lead contact in the mid section,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: and you're rolling to get the guy under the ground.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: You can't grab him by the back. That's a horse caller.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: You can't hit him in the head right right, that's obvious.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: The players themselves don't like hitting or getting hit in
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: the knees right for obvious reasons. Where else are you
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: supposed to go.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: If you're at especially if you're if you're trailing, like
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Logan Wilson was on Mark Andrews.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: If the role tackle Adam Vinity tackle of Herschel Walker
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: under question.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: The role tackle works if you're head on right, if
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: you're coming downhill at a player and tackling him. But
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: Logan Wilson was behind Mark Andrews and is chasing him,
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: so he grabs onto him and then like sits down
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: in his chair and drops his hips and he ends
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: up falling on Mark Andrews's ankle, and that's like what
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: everybody's all up in arms about.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: But I don't.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: They don't want guys falling backwards.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: You know, And it's like, how do you don't want
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: guys to get tackled? And I get it, you know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: these injuries stink. That's the number one takeaway for me
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: from watching the whole the whole weekend slate of games
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: is how many really important guys to teams are lost,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: either for the season or for significant chunks. It stinks.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: I get it. But it's life. It happens every year,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: and it's going to continue to happen unless you make
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: it flag football, which I think is coming. I mean,
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: I've been kind of overwhelmed by them in the money
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: on Twitter.
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: Twitter, you see every Monday it's all these fines come
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: out and I Josh Jacobs is I don't eight nine
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: times for lowering his head into the like.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have a problem with with the fines.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: I have a problem with banning. Yeah, thank you guys.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Can we clip that? Yes? I have a problem with
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: the band.
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  Speaker 1: What are you gonna drink after lunch?
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  Speaker 11: And we are back after was it three weeks? Two
• 44:00
  Speaker 11: week hiatus? I'll say two weeks? Been around the world? Faith, faith, moral,
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  Speaker 11: Tieth Falvin here for the PU halftime show. Their return.
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  Speaker 11: We took a little German hiatus. Then it was the
• 44:09
  Speaker 11: bye week, so you know, we need to recharge a little.
• 44:12
  Speaker 11: I'm gonna open up with some trivia. Yep, don't answer it,
• 44:16
  Speaker 11: and we'll go from there.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 44:18
  Speaker 11: Question one, and I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: This might be for a T shirt, a poster. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 44:22
  Speaker 11: We'll see what happens. You're gonna get something. So question one,
• 44:26
  Speaker 11: who recovered the butt fumble and scored the touchdown?
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  Speaker 8: All right?
• 44:31
  Speaker 11: Question two? What year did the Lions first play on Thanksgiving?
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  Speaker 8: Good?
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Question?
• 44:36
  Speaker 11: Question three?
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: How many times have.
• 44:38
  Speaker 11: The Patriots hosted a Thanksgiving game?
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Yep?
• 44:43
  Speaker 11: And faith? That is pretty much the topic of the
• 44:46
  Speaker 11: day because Thanksgiving is this week. This is gonna go
• 44:50
  Speaker 11: this Wednesday, so a little early, but happy Thanksgiving. So
• 44:53
  Speaker 11: we're gonna do something a little different because the schedule
• 44:56
  Speaker 11: is a little different this year. Yes, we are going
• 44:58
  Speaker 11: to discuss the three Thanksgiving games, which are faith freedom
• 45:02
  Speaker 11: to me.
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: We've got Packers Lions at twelve thirty, Commanders Cowboys at
• 45:06
  Speaker 8: four thirty and forty nine Ers Seahawks at eight to twenty.
• 45:09
  Speaker 11: And then what we're really going to deep dive into
• 45:12
  Speaker 11: is the first ever Black Friday game.
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, which is Dolphins Jets is at Jets.
• 45:19
  Speaker 11: It is at Jets at Jets, which is all right,
• 45:21
  Speaker 11: So let's let's start with the Thanksgiving games and faith.
• 45:24
  Speaker 11: You know, I have some years on you, and this
• 45:27
  Speaker 11: is the first Thanksgiving game i'm excited for because for
• 45:31
  Speaker 11: my thirty years of resistance, the Lions have been awful
• 45:33
  Speaker 11: to watch on Thanksgiving. It's been it's been miserable. It's
• 45:37
  Speaker 11: not fun, and I just feel bad for them, and
• 45:41
  Speaker 11: I'm excited. They are a good team.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: They're eight and too.
• 45:44
  Speaker 11: They're eight and two. They just had a crazy divisional
• 45:46
  Speaker 11: game against the Bears and where they came back and
• 45:49
  Speaker 11: for the past god knows how many years, the lines
• 45:52
  Speaker 11: lose that game ten out of ten times, and.
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: Now they're favored by seven point favored by seven.
• 45:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and they're a good team and the Packers are
• 46:01
  Speaker 11: figuring out life post.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers seems relatable.
• 46:05
  Speaker 11: And of course, now that I'm saying this, it's gonna
• 46:07
  Speaker 11: be an absolute stinker, like fourteen to ten. But I
• 46:11
  Speaker 11: think we got some magic here. I think so. I
• 46:13
  Speaker 11: think that defense is legit. They have a running back
• 46:17
  Speaker 11: room that's crazy right now. And I think the Lions
• 46:21
  Speaker 11: are gonna do it. They're gonna win, and they they
• 46:23
  Speaker 11: they they might be a sneaky super Bowl paper for
• 46:28
  Speaker 11: we are. Oh yeah, I'm drinking the Lions kool aid.
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: You have drank the kool aid. No, But I think
• 46:33
  Speaker 8: it's gonna be a great game. And I mean just
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: I think I hope it's a high scoring matchup. I know,
• 46:38
  Speaker 8: you know Ford Field, that's gonna be rocking to host
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: that they deserve it like that it's gonna and just
• 46:43
  Speaker 8: to be excited about their team this year, top of
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: the AFS, the NFC North. I think that's just gonna
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: be an exciting So do.
• 46:49
  Speaker 11: You have to have the lines winning?
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 46:51
  Speaker 11: Yeah, the lines I'm not crazy. So guys, we're not
• 46:53
  Speaker 11: gonna do score predictions for this. We're gonna go a
• 46:55
  Speaker 11: bit into the Black Friday games. That's the main topic.
• 46:58
  Speaker 11: So let's touch on the second game, which is, you know,
• 47:00
  Speaker 11: usually when the turkey hits the table. We got we
• 47:03
  Speaker 11: got commanders at Dallas. Yes, Dallas has been under the radar.
• 47:07
  Speaker 8: I mean there's seven and three.
• 47:08
  Speaker 11: Commanders are four and seven and they have that cornerback
• 47:11
  Speaker 11: Bland who's scoring more touchdowns than half the receivers in
• 47:14
  Speaker 11: the league. Yes, pick sixes Washington, you know they it's
• 47:18
  Speaker 11: interesting because they kind of fire did a fire sale
• 47:21
  Speaker 11: on trade deadline day. But they just show up in
• 47:25
  Speaker 11: these divisional games. I mean, evenf they lose, it's like.
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: And be a close game, like like you said, usually
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: the foods hitting the table. So we'll see how much
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: of this we actually get to watch. But I think
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: it'll be close. The divisional games are always tight. But
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: I think Deck's really trying to prove himself this year,
• 47:41
  Speaker 8: especially after just like all of the pressure and hate
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: that he's gotten over the past few years. So I
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: think it's gonna be competitive. But I don't see the
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: Cowboys not winning.
• 47:51
  Speaker 11: I see the Cowboys winning, and we're looking ahead because
• 47:53
  Speaker 11: you know, we're at the point now when you get
• 47:54
  Speaker 11: to the commercial break, it's has in the hunt graphic
• 47:57
  Speaker 11: and the playoff picture. Yeah, and I meanys are gonna
• 48:00
  Speaker 11: make the playoffs, but they're probably gonna lose the first round.
• 48:03
  Speaker 11: So then we got we got the night game. This
• 48:05
  Speaker 11: is where this is the food coma game.
• 48:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, this isn't the game where you're kind of in
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: and out of sleep. You know, you're kind of dozing
• 48:11
  Speaker 8: off a little bit more.
• 48:12
  Speaker 11: We got we got forty nine ers at Seattle.
• 48:15
  Speaker 8: This is gonna be this. I'm honestly most excited for
• 48:17
  Speaker 8: this game because of how close the team's records are.
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: You've got seven and three forty nine Ers the six
• 48:22
  Speaker 8: and four Seahawks, Like, I just see this being a
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: very close matchup.
• 48:25
  Speaker 11: And so it's interesting because I actually watched that most
• 48:29
  Speaker 11: of that Seattle game, and I mean, they lost the
• 48:31
  Speaker 11: gimme field goal and they probably should have just won.
• 48:33
  Speaker 11: But I think the forty nine ers just got through
• 48:37
  Speaker 11: the hump they were in and I think they're they're
• 48:39
  Speaker 11: full go.
• 48:40
  Speaker 8: They are, and so I feel like this is a
• 48:42
  Speaker 8: huge test for the Seahawks. Obviously, I feel like they've
• 48:44
  Speaker 8: been trying to prove themselves all year. But I mean
• 48:47
  Speaker 8: they're six and four, like they're right there, and I think.
• 48:50
  Speaker 11: Seattle wins is just that home field advantage. But I
• 48:52
  Speaker 11: do think the forty nine Ers pulled off, which makes
• 48:56
  Speaker 11: it interesting because we could tie back to the first game.
• 48:58
  Speaker 11: We got some home field advantage situations with the Lions
• 49:02
  Speaker 11: and the forty nine ers.
• 49:03
  Speaker 8: So we're picking the home team, are you picking the.
• 49:06
  Speaker 11: I'm picking the forty Dinars to win that, okay, but
• 49:08
  Speaker 11: the Seahawks win, it's because the home field advantage.
• 49:11
  Speaker 8: That's fair. So like to travel that far though.
• 49:14
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and that's the divisional game. But I think perty
• 49:16
  Speaker 11: Perty's got it unlocked. They're healthy again, they got Chase Debo.
• 49:21
  Speaker 8: Both watching Chase Young and Nick Boon round the corner
• 49:24
  Speaker 8: on quarterbacks, that's got to be horrifying, all right.
• 49:27
  Speaker 11: So I was given the good to go, But you
• 49:28
  Speaker 11: know what I really want to touch on the Black
• 49:30
  Speaker 11: Friday game real quick. So we got Miami at New York.
• 49:33
  Speaker 11: Obviously Miami's gonna win this, but the talk of this
• 49:36
  Speaker 11: game isn't isn't the game itself. It's my new York
• 49:40
  Speaker 11: made the quarterback change. They did it, and they put
• 49:43
  Speaker 11: Zach at third string. I think they get blown out.
• 49:47
  Speaker 11: Tim Boyle not an NFL quarterback. I saw something that
• 49:50
  Speaker 11: he's just a Aaron Rodgers buddy. Yeah, and it's uh,
• 49:54
  Speaker 11: you know he's.
• 49:54
  Speaker 8: The only quarterback though to beat the Eagles or beat
• 49:57
  Speaker 8: you know, James.
• 49:58
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so well, I think I think that's a blowout.
• 50:02
  Speaker 11: I think Miami's just gotta stay healthy. I'll say for
• 50:07
  Speaker 11: that one, Miami wins like thirty four to ten.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Matchup.
• 50:11
  Speaker 11: Love it if you're Miami, get out of that met
• 50:14
  Speaker 11: life turf. Get the win and get out, stay healthy.
• 50:18
  Speaker 11: Shout and shout out to the league, because you know,
• 50:20
  Speaker 11: I'll never complain about more football. So football on a Friday,
• 50:23
  Speaker 11: it's pretty chill day. You know, you can drown your
• 50:26
  Speaker 11: your shopping pain. If you gamble. You can gamble your
• 50:29
  Speaker 11: money to go spend stuff on Black Friday deals. So faith,
• 50:33
  Speaker 11: who do you have on that? Miami too?
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah?
• 50:35
  Speaker 11: Perfect? All right, guys, send your trivia answers in a
• 50:38
  Speaker 11: web radio Patris dot com and have a great Thanksgiving.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: We'll be back next week.
• 50:42
  Speaker 11: More halftime show.
• 50:45
  Speaker 13: When someone accidentally threw the school play costumes. Oh no,
• 50:50
  Speaker 13: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,
• 50:53
  Speaker 13: everyone can focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where
• 50:57
  Speaker 13: now it's next for residential delivery only.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: And now great moments in.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: History.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this turkey's every lettle.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: They have them in the hills of north Brook.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Can't You can't find a turkey.
• 51:12
  Speaker 11: You're not a good hunter.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: You need to s Oh yeah, that's all.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: And there I would soon. They're pretty easy to shoot.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: They're huge.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: Now maybe it's all feathers and you miss and you
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: got to hit, you know, center of man. Some of
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: them go on the offensive though there is Oh yeah,
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: they mark you, yeah, and they attack. I could see
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: you being made of turkey's bitch.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Oh they like pecket your Now, that would be a
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: great story if you were you know, it would be
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: an ironic ironic no, wedded by a turkey, like yeah,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: actually you were forced to become the mate of a turkey.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: The that thing we were doing the other day, Eric
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: would be penetrated by a turkey. That's another great moment
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: from Hey. Bridgetone is the official tire of the New
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: England Patriots. Visit Sullivantire dot com for a location near you.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Who wrote this They edited out everything and now it
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. But bridgetone is the official tire of
• 52:04
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• 52:11
  Speaker 1: near you. Wrong, I don't know who's their copywriter. But
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: also this November, every Friday is like Black Friday at
• 52:20
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• 52:23
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• 52:30
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• 52:34
  Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. Halftime show show within a show,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: we had some trivia. Oh you guys writing? Yeah, yep, okay.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: First one who recovered the butt fumble and scored the touchdown?
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Steve Gregory, yep, good one. Ryan Dobson got that one right.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: What year did the Lions first play on Thanksgiving?
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Nineteen sixty four?
• 52:59
  Speaker 8: Wrong?
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Not even close?
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Forty five?
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: No earlier?
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Oh thirty four, thirty four? Yeah, what was it like
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: back then?
• 53:08
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: He's looking at Paul when he says that.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Five years.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: How many times have the Patriots hosted hosted a Thanksgiving game?
• 53:19
  Speaker 11: Zero?
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Correct?
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: That would have been my guest, But I thought no
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: one got it. I thought it was a trick question.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no one got it.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: So how many times have they played on Thanksgiving?
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Four times?
• 53:30
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Four times?
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: I don't know, remember Detroit last year in Minnesota?
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, twice Detroit, right, twice?
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Detroit more than twice, I know.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because two thousand they played in Detroit.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Five according to Matt Murray, five times two thousand and
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: two and then like two thousand.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: You know, we talk about swat depressing games now that
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: we think I think about it, that two thousand game
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: in Detroit on Thanksgiving was one of the more depressing games.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: It was like something like that I'm missing thanks to this.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: They lost the game, like thirty four to nine. Yeah,
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: take the like out. It was thirty four to nine.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: And I really feel like the Patriots, I will played
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: them the whole game. They just kept watching the ball
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: up and down the field and drew a throw, a
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: pick or something would happen, and it was awful. You
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: knew it. They were getting killed. You know, at least
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: last year Brady got his first. It was a competitive
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: in the game, you know I didn't. I mean, last
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: year wasn't so bad because it was ended. The last
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: year was an entertaining game. But it's still I mean
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: kind of thanks to this holidays. Sure, I got my
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: turkey in.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: All right, let's keep going here. Paul's done. So Mark's
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: in Connecticut. What's up? Mark? Oh?
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Mark, you deserved that.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark, line down, Let's go to line down. No,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: that means that's line three. Eldridge is in North Carolina
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: doing double duty. I heard you calling in on Catch
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: twenty two.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Eldred and Buns to pick sir.
• 55:00
  Speaker 10: How y'all doing.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you were giving praise for your call. They love
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: you talk.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: You have to talk to you boo.
• 55:06
  Speaker 10: Uh there you go, hey, Area, don't give me. I'm
• 55:09
  Speaker 10: just joking, all right, but uh, I gotta, I gotta.
• 55:13
  Speaker 10: I was just jealous, and with just jealous fall You're.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: My favorite two.
• 55:18
  Speaker 10: You and Fred for years, fifteen years, been arguing with y'all,
• 55:21
  Speaker 10: except lately we've been agreeing, which I don't like. I
• 55:25
  Speaker 10: really argue anybody.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Else, So I'll just walked out.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Nothing nothing, brings people together than failure. But anyway, go ahead.
• 55:32
  Speaker 10: Yeah, but uh but two two scenario, Evan, I would
• 55:37
  Speaker 10: love to get Parrison, but I gotta fit the Chicago
• 55:40
  Speaker 10: gonna pick him they have justin fields out. And the
• 55:45
  Speaker 10: other scenario, what if the keep everything intact and beild
• 55:50
  Speaker 10: trade down? How would y'all feel to get more picks
• 55:53
  Speaker 10: and I take it off there?
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: From from where? Trade down from where? Eldred from number
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: from three? Three from three? I don't think i'd like
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: all right, three, I don't think i'd like it, But
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: four or five I could make an argument for it,
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: because now the tackle might be the best player on
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: the board and you don't want it.
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: I don't want Yeah, I mean it's on one hand,
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: I just have to admit that they got a lot
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: of holes to film, and so I mean, I think
• 56:15
  Speaker 6: I need to see what it looked like. I mean,
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: if you were to trade down from you know, like
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: four to eight and you pick up another.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to go from second round. No no, no, no,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: no no no.
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: But I think that there's an argument to be made
• 56:28
  Speaker 6: if you still are picking high enough that you can
• 56:30
  Speaker 6: get impact players.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I think they need. They need
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: impact players.
• 56:33
  Speaker 6: They don't need twenty seven to three third round picks
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: where they're going to take five picks in the top fifty.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't need twelve draft picks if like last year,
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: they're all going to be in the seventh round, sixth round,
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: whatever I want. You know, I don't need to have
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: like extra picks. I just need higher picks. What would
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: the return beef to go from three to eight?
• 56:51
  Speaker 11: Though?
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know, Like I mean, is that you
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: get a first next to look at the chart. No,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: you could get you know, you get something like that,
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: or you know, you could get you switch spots, someone
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: gives you a two, or maybe they have two first rounds,
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: you know, like I.
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: Three fields like a sweet spot though, I mean, at
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: least at this point. And I think everything changes too,
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: Like once we get into the draft thing, certain things
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: are going to happen.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Guys are gonna get.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Murg you know, you're gonna get at least one of
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: the two quarterbacks or.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: Harris Harris, Yeah, which I or you can dangle that
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: carrot for either, which I think you could definitely talk
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: yourself into, you know, like if it was Harrison and
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: then you find a way to get you know, one
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: of the the lower rated quarterbacks later, like Jaydon Daniels.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: You know, like you could talk yourself into that.
• 57:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this just to me, like with the tackle thing,
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: and I understand, like you need to you need help
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: on your offensive line. I'm not blind to that they
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: need to improve the offensive line, but there's been a
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: lot of first round tackles in the last three or
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: four years that have just been terrible. And I just
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: feel like no one really thinks of that as like
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: a franchise crippling draft pick for some reason, when I
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: think it just it kills you to have like an
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: Evan Neil in the first round the Giants, right, aren't
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: both of their guys? I think so? Aren't both of
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: their tackles? Yeah, Andrew Thomas was a first round pick too,
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: wasn't he? Yeah, and I don't think either one of
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: those guys has panned out. It's a terrible offensive line.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: What's holding the Giants back? Quarter mean, I mean, but
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: the quarterback who runs for his life every game too.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: Right now, I don't think Daniel Jones is great. I
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: think he's part of the problem. I think if you
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: had a good quarterback. Maybe these guys would be okay.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: But my point is, who's like after Evan Neil and
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: Andrew Thomas. You know, Isaiah win and you know, there's
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: a lot of first round tackles that have been taken
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: that have been just well, like Becton, Mikai Beckton's another one. Yeah,
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: he's been hurt constantly. He's been decent this year, but
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: again part of the worst offensive line. Do you happen
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: to see that some of the rankings had the Patriots
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: at like twenty one one? That's pretty good. I'm only
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: another indictment of the quarterback.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Uh the sean writes in at web radio at Patriots
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: dot com. He's in New York. If there's any franchise
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: in the history of sports that deserves the tank, it's
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. I go as far to say that it
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: would be irresponsible to win this game Sunday. I honestly
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: think Robert Craft should implore Bill to lose. What are
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: your thoughts? I disagree.
• 59:25
  Speaker 6: I would really like to just hear Paul lay out
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: a perfect scenario of how they win this game, because
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: I feel like Paul will lay out exactly how it
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: will happen.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: Of special I don't know. I don't want to put
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: words in your mouth though, is I don't want to say,
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: you know, like I mean, there.
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: Haven't been any special team scores. There haven't been any
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: defensive score. How the Patriots win this right, Like, I
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: feel like you're you got to beat on how it's
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: gonna unfold.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: I think that if the Patriots win this game, it's
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: gonna be one of those days where they they create
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: the turnovers and they lead to points. Yeah, and I
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: think that's been what's happening to the Giants. Like our
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: producer Don does our TV show Freddie Don Maxon, he's
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: a Giants guy. He likes the Giants and he's been
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: talking about it for the last couple of weeks. Like
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: their defense is pretty good. It's not like Cleveland good,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: but it's pretty good. And it's made to look horrible
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: because the offense just does so little to help them.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: So won't it be funny if you know the game
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: obviously is at MetLife. If you know, Patriots do something great,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: lot of cheers, Giants do something great, lot of cheers,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: but the opposite teams fans cheering.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: But you won't know, it'll be interesting to see, you
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: won't know how many Patriots fans are at this game,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: because the Patriots fans have generally traveled pretty well no
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: matter where they are. I'd be curious to see.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: What kind of more curious if it was at home,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: like what the response is like from the crowd here.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: But I'm sure Giants fans want to tank just as
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: much as Patriots fans, don't you think.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: That's a good question. I don't know. So getting back
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: to Eldred's little draft thing, these kinds of things, I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: don't know why they interest me so much, But like,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: do you do you think that they would take a
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: quarterback or do you think they would roll the dice
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: and go with fields?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Again, Oh, Chicago, you mean yeah, I think that if
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: they have the top, they'll they'll take a quarterback.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: I do too, Yeah, I have a new coach. I
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: don't think they'll pass on a quarterback. And you could
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: keep fields and take a quarterback and then you know,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: roll the dice with fields, and then that way you
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: kind of put yourself in a position of power. If
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: it works and you want to go forward with fields,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: then you can trade. You can trade your other guy.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: It's not gonna it's not costing you a tremendous amount,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: it's not an overly expensive backup. Or if fields doesn't
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: work out, nothing nothing lost, and you let your rookie
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: sit a while and develop and wait, I don't think
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: it's the worst idea to hold onto both of them.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: There's a new coach, that's what I think. Like he's
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: gonna want to put his stamp on it. He's gonna
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: want his guy. But it's appealing to me. And in
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: a similar way of just like hanging onto mac, is you.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: Just be a tremendous roll of the dice to just
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: hang on the field and not take a quarterback.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: If a team drafts a guy and he says, I'm
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: not going there, I'm going back to college. Is there
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: any compensation for that team? Where did they just lose
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: the pit?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not going there. I'm going back
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: to college.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: You can't do that. You can't do that.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: No, Once you're once you're in the draft, you can't
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: do that. Ok, once you hire an agent, is that No,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: you can hire an agent and go back. But once
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: you declare for the draft and it's final, that's it.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: That you just can't like, if you don't get drafted,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: you don't get to go back to college. Okay, that
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: happens to a lot of guys, right, yeah, Okay, but
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: there is a deadline. I don't have it in front
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: of me. I mean there are specific dates and times
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: when you can It happens more in basketball where guys
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: declare you know, but maybe they won't talk to an agent,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: you know, and they can pull back before the deadline,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: you know, they kind of test the waters and see
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: what kind of interest there is. And yeah, I know,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: let's face it, it's becoming more more cloudy by the
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: year with all the yeah, the ni L It's pretty
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: soon it's just going to be those power schools off
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: by themselves and they'll leave the NCAAA behind.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Well, right, Saint Paul. You stated earlier that if Garrett
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: was probably wrong, if Garrett Wilson was on the Patriots
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: this year, Mack would be better if we can get
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior in the draft. Can you envision a
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: world where that gives Mac another life at starting quarterback?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: I hope not, but I can see the debate being made.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that's that's true. I think Marvin
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: Harrison would help, but don't mistake me saying that I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: think you'd be better for being me thinking that he's
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: good because I know I've kind of come more and
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: six but better. I think it would be better. I
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: think the better. This is about the whole team, not
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: just Mac Jones. Yeah, I've never said that this roster
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: is loaded and they should be winning, but the quarterback
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: is killing him.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: He also says, why do people give Mac Jones more
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: free passes? I guess compared to Zach Wilson. Well, he's
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: not as bad as Zach Wilson.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Oh that's really close for it. No, it isn't, Yes
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: it is. I mean you can you can pretend it's
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: not because you think because he's a punching bag and
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: your guy is like, you know, had success the first
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: eight games of his career. None sense. But it's not
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: really that different. It's not that different.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 6: I think that last pick Mac two is very Zach Wilson.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: I mean Zach Wilson.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 6: What we've seen from Zach Wilson, Like with some of
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: those games, I don't think Max had as many as
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 6: those like.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: Four turnovers, like what are you doing? Games? But this
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: last game was do you remember the amount of times
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: like Zach Wilson would sort of like buy time in
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: the pocket, roll towards the sideliner, kind of throwing it away.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: He rolls Kevin mccordy. That's the throwback across the field
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: that Mac Jones just made five times in the last
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: two years. Like, it's not that different. Do I think
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: he's better? Yes, by this much, They're not very different.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: I feel like Mac is getting closer to Zach Wilson.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: And I will I will say this in Max defense.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: I don't think Mac Wilson has the amount of talent
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: around him that Zack Wilson does.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Yeahs uh, Nathan, I mean Mac Jones. Nathan is from Brookline.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: He says. I love listening to the show. I try
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: to listen to every episode, but I can't listen to
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: them live because I'm in school. I'm a set in
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: seventh grade. My question is if you were in Bill
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Belichick's position, what moves would you make? Who would you
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: like to see more of against the Giants? I would
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: like to see more Marty Mapho and give Taekwon Thornton
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: at least one more chance. PS. Today is an early
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: release day I'm not skipping school. Nice.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mapu was a guy that I picked for your roundtable.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: I think you asked that question, which one player like
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: one player? But I with a caveat of I want
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: to see him play linebacker. I don't want to see
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: him play safety.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I had Keon White on more downs.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah you know, yeah, good one. Another good one.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: I think Thornton's a good one too. It's and I
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 6: feel like you're kind of hoping against all odds with
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: him right now.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm almost to the point where I've seen enough.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: Of who Thornton Thorty. It's interesting he's seen enough of Thornton,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: but he wants to trut Mac back out there and
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: just tell him this is the last.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: Different different Hu. I mean it this time. One of
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: one of Matt's problems is Taekwon Thornton unbelievable.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: Like the emailer is right, it's just at some point
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: it's on you. At some point your performance is on you.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: But if you could show up these other things you
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: know would be.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: He still wouldn't be good enough.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 6: I think something else that doesn't get said about the
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: quarterback position is that it's more than just his performance too.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: It's just an overall.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: Confidence of the team, you know, like there's just so
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: much that goes in that that position has just so
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 6: much more impact than you know, you talk about well
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 6: past protection, you know, like the quarterback is who the
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: team is a lot of that's your identity, like you know,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: it's everybody's got to get behind him and pull and not.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: Right now, can I ask a question for you, Fred
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: about the round table? Yeah, you know, the Mike's little
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: bonus question that's always you know, zany offbeat Mike. What
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: what was your answer?
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Mike?
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: How did you put it? What is your what's your
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: favorite New York?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: I wanted it to show me yours first.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: I wrote, how did I put it? There's a lot
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of great stuff in New York. Too
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: bad the Giants play in Jersey, because I figured that's
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: what Fred would say. No, And then I said, you
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: know you're gonna make fun of me, but like this,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: there's nothing like seeing the show on bad Way.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: You do a lot of that. I did. Wow. Wow,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: I can see Paul like w in this scar finish.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: Generally dressed exactly the way I am right.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Now, walking stick.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: Monicle.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my answer.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: I'm man enough to know that Fred was gonna make
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: fun of me, and I said it anyway, My uh
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: my thing.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Favorite thing about New York was sour krawt on hot dogs.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I thought there's nothing. No, I was waiting
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: for a snarky There's nothing like a good street hot
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: dog in New York with sour kraut and mustard.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: I think that is a very underrated part of New York.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: Just that ability to just get a hot like he
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: just walked.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Those dogs get hot, those dogs sitting in that water
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: all day and it just so it's great.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: And I gotta tell you were there, and I think
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: Will must have gotten like three one afternoon. It's like
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: those were so good. Can I get another way? Yeah?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing like it. And then the second thing
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: would be leaving New York.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: No, Alex writes in the bars, didn't I say something
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: about the bar. I don't think I said the bar
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 6: I didn't review him that I only got yours too back.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: I didn't have a chance yet to review them, but
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: I'll take it.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: He didn't proof for you them yet.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I left out a w for Will. I
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: just so if you could correct, correct it?
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, Will he's intentionally making typos to keep you
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: on your toe happy Thanksgiving for Alex in the car
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: from Raleigh to Petucket.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: I think Max should be sat for the rest of
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: the season. I've written and often to say I've never
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: been a Mac guy. When we drafted him, I said
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: he wasn't the guy. I don't think Zappi is the guy.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: But MATC just looks broken and I don't think I'm
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: playing him will fix anything. He makes the same mistakes.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: So why is the team giving into the insanity of
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: starting I hope the Patriots win or my wife will
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: have a fun Sunday with Giants pride.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 8: Oh.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think I think we all agree. It's
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: just you just want to get a look at something different.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: And I don't know, I mean, to Evan's point, this
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 6: doesn't seem like the game where Max is gonna get right.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 6: You know, maybe you'd feel like a little bit more
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: optimistic if it was they just rushed two or three
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 6: or four guys. They play a lot of zone. It
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: kind of feeds into what the Patriots want to do.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: And I mean the interesting thing though, is is you
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 6: know we get these next gen stat things. The Giants
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 6: are second in blitz rate, but they're twenty ninth in
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 6: pressure rate. Just kind of an interesting little disparity between.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 6: They send a lot of guys a lot, but get
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 6: a ton of pressure, at least as far as only
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 6: like six right. Yeah, And by contrast, the Patriots are
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 6: eight eighth for blitz rate and twenty third for pressure rates.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 6: So it's still not great, but not the disparity of
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 6: second to twenty ninth.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, stats, huh interesting.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Interesting, So let's take it a step further.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: Hm hmmmm. And I'm going to look at something right now,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: a couple of entry. Let's see, opponents have attempted three
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty two passes against the Patriots and three
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: hundred and seventy one against the Giants, So that would
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: make it even worse for the Giants.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: About half a game's worth its passes.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: But even less pressure.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: At my point, Brandon writes in I think Mike Evans
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: is a perfect example of talented team and other parts,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: but he needed the right quarterback, and in his case,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: he was a forty plus year old future Hall of
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Famer will helped raise the talent to a championship level.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: I guess Mike Evans is a terrific player.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah he's still doing well.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's still doing well now, right thinking with jamis
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: like the team wasn't good enough to win the super Bowl,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: but that had nothing to do with Mike Evans. I've
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: been doing that a lot though.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: I've been like thinking of, you know, all time talented
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 6: receivers that never were on good teams, or all time
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 6: talented tackles that were never on good teams, and like.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: You can find a lot you can't find all time.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: There's a ton of tackles that you could do that
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: all time.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 6: Thomas, Joe Thomas was one I thought of, but you know,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: like Megatron in no offense to Stafford.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: No, absolutely Megatron would be Jones came on later. But yeah,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: now in terms of like winning winning titles, if you like,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: that's the Felagrimaz thing, like you're nothing if you didn't
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: win the title. There's a lot of really good players
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: that were on good teams that won plenty of games.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: But like Joe Thomas was never even on a good team. Yeah,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: you know, like to me, Julio Jones, yeah, good teams
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: they just never won at all, you know, but there's
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: no quarterbacks like that.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 6: Like, I don't think you could say there's a really
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 6: talented quarterback that I mean, of course didn't want to
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: kill but but didn't you know.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: No, but but just didn't win. Never they they won.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: But like, yeah, it would be like if Justin Herbert
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: plays his whole career the divisional round and the record
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: stays the way it is now it's like five hundred,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: that would be kind of an abnormally Nominally.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Sergio in California says, he said, he says, start all
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: four it but with me personally, I do a platoon
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: situation for Tommedy Mack would play the first quarter, zapply
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: the second quarter, Will Grier third, and have kind of
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: him close.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: Out, you know, the Benny Hill music playing the whole time.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: Can I just tell you that that would be unbelievably fascinating. Yeah,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: be different.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: It's preseason, basically, it would be they'd be treated like
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: a preseason game. They'd have to get you on the broadcast, Paul, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: I'm here for that.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: So line down has been waiting for a while. Let's
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: go to Trey in Florida.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: What's up?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, Trey's line is down. Let's go to Mark and Everett. Mark,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Happy Things.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 14: Here is all the greatest and the first podcast. You
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 14: guys are the best.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 14: Okay, so on the building and I hope we don't
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 14: beat him up too much. He is the best of
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 14: all times. And what do you say a third years
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 14: and Macus is going through that sophomore jains than we
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 14: just hang on for him for one more year, give
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 14: the big bunch.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's hard to make the case for that.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: Of him being the quarterback next year. Yeah, I think
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: there's a chance of that.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can you hear me?
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a chance that he could be
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: the quarterback in twenty four. Yes, a chance. Yeah, I
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: don't know. If they don't get in a position to
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: get one of the quarterbacks, what's your alternative? You gotta
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, you gotta have a season, right, I agree?
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: All right? Thanks Mark.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: Ironically, I don't think we agree like that to me
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: would be the worst case scenario. I can't find anybody
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: else and I have to I have to run it
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: back possible.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Jeff and Brooklyn about the party versus Mac comparison. You
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: know that Mac has wide open people too, and he
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't throw to.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: Them or he misses them like he did in in Indy.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Also, Purdy's mechanics very good and above all consistent. He
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: has very compact, consistent motion, other things Matt can't do.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm you know, Evan's not here to defend himself,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: so I won't be labored the point. But I also
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: I don't pretend I don't watch every Niners game, but
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: when I see them, I don't see great protection. I
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: don't see a great offensive line with pass protection and whatnot.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: And he moves around, slides around, changes arm angles, and
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: I think he's had more to do with that success
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: of the offense than Evan gives it credit for. Now,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: am I telling you that no one else could do that? No,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that. I'm telling you I don't think
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: it would look anywhere near that good with Mac Jones,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: just like it didn't look that good with Jimmy Garoppolo.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: Right Mitch in Albany, I saw stat recently that Matt
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Judon still leads to the Patriots and Sacks. I know
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: the defense has been pretty solid overall, but why have
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: they not been able to get after the quarterback did
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: us just have a great stretch last season and we'll
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: never see that again. I thought he would be at
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: least decent. Also, where has Keon White been?
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's uh. I mean, I know it's been going
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: around with UCH.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 6: People have been talking, well, the you know, the metrics
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 6: still look okay with pressure and things like that. Steve
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: Belichick said earlier this week that he would generally agree
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 6: with that. I just I think it's about finishing right now,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 6: and that's what they don't have. They don't have the finishers.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 6: Got Barmore gets pressure, and you know he certainly has
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 6: finished some. But you just look at Gardner Minshew. You
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 6: know he's contained in the pocket.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: He's running around.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 6: It's just nobody can get through a block and get
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 6: to the quarterback and and take him down. And I
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 6: mean it's Judon is still the leading the leading sacker
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: on is that a word? Sacker?
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: The leading sack man on the team. Like, it's just
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: that to me.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 6: You can talk and I know sacks is an overrated
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 6: stat but right now, I do think it's it's telling
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 6: that they just can't finish.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: Just talking about sacks. I would totally agree that the
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: metrics are probably similar. But I think Mike bringing up
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: that Colts game is is relevant because yeah, they got
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: some pressure and that that's put in check box check
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: marks and those boxes for the metrics. But you're allowing
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: place when you get pressure and the ball has to
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: come out quick and it's an incomplete pass. That's where
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: the sack is misleading. They haven't had a lot of that,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: I don't think. I think for the most part, when
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: they've had pressure to get you know, I thought Sam
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: Howell did the same thing to them in that game.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: He was able to get out of the pocket, move around,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: find a guy, and make a play.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Jacket and Arbor says by mentioning Fred and his wrestling
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: singlet you have just ruined my Thanksgiving weekend. That is
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: an image that I cannot unsee, even if it's only
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: in my mind's eye. Now it will be a week
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: before you can get a good night's sleep.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: Well, at least it's Thanksgiving and food.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: And I was cut back then, let me tell you.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: I was currently. My wife still thinks you're cut Fred,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know what she's looking.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: Let's see el Tony writes in Longtime Listening, First Time emailer.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: After meeting you all at Gibson's. We actually set off
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: a day earlier once we'd seen you that you were
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: broadcasting live on that Friday. Oh, they came to to
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: see us. Not a great game, as we know, but
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: still fantastic to see the Patriots live. Will be over
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: to Foxborough next season, I hope. On the Germany postgame show,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Paul said he didn't think an international franchise would work,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: and that events such as the Frankfurt game are only
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: likely to work as a big occasion, a bit like
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: US interest in the World Cup. I'm paraphrasing a bit here.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: That's pretty close. I think that pretty much relays what
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: I said.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Forgetting the whole logistics issue. For a minute of flying
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: teams back and forth across the Atlantic, I have to disagree.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: I think it could work, but only if the teams
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: were located in the right cities, tickets. It goes on
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: and on.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: I didn't think this was that long, No, But I'd
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: be curious from a perspective on the other side, Yeah,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of interested in that.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: I think that.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: If you could summarize it, Yeah, I think.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: One international franchise can't work. I think if you're going
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: to do that, you need to create a division in
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: Europe where they play amongst them else and then they
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: come over for a month and play games here, you know,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: so I think.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think that works. Now, I don't
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: what I what I was getting at, and maybe I'm wrong,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: And he had the information there on to explain why
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: I'm wrong is that I feel like those games are
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: big time special events and they are treated as such,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: whereas if you just played a game every week over
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: there and you had to, you know, you force feed
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: you know, the Ryan Fire is their team. I'm not
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: sure that you have that same interest level over there
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: to support it, Forget, And he's right, the reason it
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: can't work is logistics, Like so you're gonna have him
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: spend a month in the US and play it like
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: a month of road games, and like that's not fair,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: Like that's not the best way to have an equitable league.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: I just don't think that makes a lot of sense.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: And I compared it to the World Cup, Freddie, Yeah,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: the World Cup. He when when the US hosts the
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: World Cup, it's enormous. Yeah, and we largely don't care.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: The other three and a half years.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: It just well, if the US team did a little better,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: we might that year that they did well.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, but I think the World Cup itself is
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: wildly popular because it's a major event. Yeah, and we
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: will go crazy over that event, right, But I don't
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: think they're necessarily crazy about the US playing Portugal and
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: just some regular game, whereas in the NFL there is
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: amazing interest for every game.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: Right and especially over there where you bring out not
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 6: just Patriot fans, but there were all kinds of fans there,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean. It's not just an event
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 6: for one fan group.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: Right now, you're telling them all one team is yours, right,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: and I don't think again, I well, I'm interested in
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: the other side because it's not a guys obviously.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: No more, it's not a full thing study. But no,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: it's not Jacksonville plays two games a year in London
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: now or something like that. This year, have they gained
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: in UK? I'm talking about have they gained you know,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: hardcore fans.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: I don't have that answer. I just still think that
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: the London games are very popular because there's two or
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: three of them. There's you know, the Mexico City game
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: was very popular they had one. You know, I just
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: I think if you had sixteen games a year in Frankfurt,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: I don't think they would be as popular as those
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: two games back to back were with Kansas City and
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: New England.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Well you'd have eight. But anyway, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, no,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean there's a lot of fans there,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: there's no doubt, and you know, they had a huge
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: waiting list, But like Paul said, you can't it's not
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: apples static.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: And it's very anecdotal. I don't know. Like that's why
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: I was kind of curious to see what someone who's
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: actually in Europe wanted to to offer a rebuttal.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: Kyle and Kembroke just wanted to wish you all happy
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and thank you for putting on such an amazing show,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: even in this horrible football season. Two questions, what's your
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: favorite Thanksgiving side dish? And what's your favorite Thanksgiving football memory?
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 6: Boy, I mean there's a lot of side dishes I like,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 6: But part of me feels like it's really just the
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 6: all of it coming together with a little turkey, a
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 6: little stuffing, a little mashed potatoes, and a little cranberry
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: and a little gravy.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: On top, and just that bite. That to me is
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: the perfection.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: I mean you like the gobbler, just the sandwich that
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: they will sure, yeah, I like that, but I mean
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: I just the ideal thing is getting that perfect bite.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 6: It's not like oh, great mashed potatoes, like oh great stuffing.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 6: It's it's all of it, right, see, I like it
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 6: individual I don't like them.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: They just have a little really you like my sisters
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: You don't want any food to touch on her plate
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: and everything's vv up even more with Fred.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: Thanksgiving is not my in terms of the food. Is
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: not my home. I would say stuffing probably, But I
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: like this if I don't really like that, Thanksgiving for
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: me is can't wait till Christmas.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: If it's made the way my wife makes it, or
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: Ruth Chris sweet potato pie is my favorite. Marshmallow and
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: brown sugar.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: Someone talks about that today. Was it Mac?
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 8: What is it?
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: Lawrence Guy?
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 6: I think Larry Guy.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: Larry Guy. The marshmallow.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Oh you make it right, It's like dessert. It's so good.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: But I do like a good stuffing. I don't like
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: the stuffing that's dry. You ever have like the dry
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: stuffing where you can still see them, the crews, the bird.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: I like it when it's moist and all mushy together,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: like you could make a snowball from the inside of
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: the Like it's sticky, it sticks to your ribs. I
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: like that kind of stuffing. Uh, memory gravy, I think.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know one memory.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 6: I just I used to love going to the high
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 6: school football game onto, you know, Holliston Westwood ten am
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 6: Thursday morning. You know, you get out, everybody, like the
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 6: cars are lying in the street. I mean, all the
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 6: alumni come back.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: Now, Paul, it's the night before Thanksgiving. Paul still goes
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: to the bar. Oh yeah, see the high schools.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I haven't done that in years either.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: But that was fun, especially right out of and that
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 6: was a lot of fun right out of college when
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: you come back and everybody's like, but you know what.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: Like when you do that, like you know, seven eight,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: nine years, like, you know, okay, this is the last
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: year we're coming to the pub, right right, Well we've
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: aged out. Yeah, we got to go do our own
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: things somewhere else.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 6: But then you start to get the mix of like,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 6: you know, people who got out of the town and
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 6: are coming back home. But then you also have people
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 6: who didn't leave town who are now like the townies.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: So it's just like we're here every Thursday.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there's a fight. It's a fight from
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: a county bad blood, Yeah, somebody.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: But my senior, my last ever football game was absolutely
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: the Thanksgiving to memory, you get that dub. Yeah. We
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: won thirty one nothing and it snowed that day. We
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: played really well. It was to the point where all
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: the seniors are basically out of the game at halftime.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 6: It doesn't exist anymore now. I mean, it's just the
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 6: number of games I'm hearing about that are going to
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 6: be played tomorrow that have no impact. Or there's teams
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 6: that are getting ready to play in the state championship
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 6: next week, so they're not even going to play their guys.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: The vast majority of the games, though, if you have
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: a traditional rivalry, it's still means something. It's still big,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: you know, even for the teams that aren't good, you know,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: like Malden and Medford really haven't been very good in
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: the GBL. They've played for one hundred and twenty years.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: It's still important to Malden and Medford, right, you know,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: Salem Beverly this year is going to be different. One
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: hundred I think it's the one hundred and twenty fifth game.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: But Salem's going to the super Bowl. They're playing on
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: Wednesday here, so I don't know if that's going to be.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: He's playing Franklin at Fenway Park. They played last time,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: thirty five nothing a big k p oh my kid
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: went there. They cheap so you saw. There's no more
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: that massthewvests past the thing. There's no more like Native
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: American mascots. And I'm wondering if King Philip is going
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: to get acts. They're called they're literally called King Philip.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: From King whatever his name was.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, different things.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's still a lot. I think it's still the
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: Dartmouth Indians, Yeah, and Saga Sa Cham's. I think there's
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: still a lot of them that still have Native American mascots,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: which I don't really understand why that is such a
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: big thing, but there's a lot.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 6: I think if it's respectful, right, you know, like it's
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 6: not what Yeah, well, the thing is crazy to me
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: about King Philip not to put my little nerdy history
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: ot on. But like he literally like led a rebellion
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 6: against all the settlers and like massacred people across the
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 6: Metro West, and like we have a high school named
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: after him, Like you know, I mean it's a complicated situation.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: But Battle of Worcester was big, well Medfield.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: Him and his guys, they went through Medfield and clean
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 6: that place out, you know, back in the seventeen hundreds.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: It's just just weird now to have a high school,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: odd little peak into Hackamock League history right there from
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: King Philip. Yeah, he saw what was coming. He was like, no,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: we better, we.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: Better find So what do we make of Evan not
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: being back yet?
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: I think he's walking. They're making them trudge from the
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: My guesses they didn't get out there when they was
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: supposed to write.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 15: I don't think he's like, I don't know, we got picked,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 15: but we got a hurry pill and then either Alex
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 15: didn't do well or there's no way she was coming
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 15: in the day before Thanksgiving.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's I thought I saw her today.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 6: No, she's she's just doing my tru mentally, she's might
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: cause Mike cleats hell. Okay, so she's doing a lot
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 6: of stuff. We'll get her picks from her. But yeah,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 6: she's she's in the weeds right now. Okay, all right, well, yeah,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 6: because I saw her this morning, she's here. I'll give
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 6: Evan a few more minutes to get here. Let's see.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Matt writes in Penay Sewell is one of the first
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: round that has worked out rat one. Yes, I would
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: be on board with Joe all but we have to
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: make moves during the free agency. Paul, if we get
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: Ty Higgins, T Higgins, would you then be okay with
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: tackle with the first pick? So if you shore up
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: the off the.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: Wide, I would still rather trade down.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think T Higgins. He's good.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: Oh No, I love tre I love t Higgins, But
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: I would still rather get a player at that spot.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: If I'm going to take a player in the top five,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: I want more of an impact player. You know, obviously
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: Penny Sewell has been a really good player for the Lions.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: That's a hit no matter where you picked him, that's
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: a that's a hit.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: And even if just so you know, Evan, we haven't
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: been talking draft the whole time you were gone.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: We couldn't we couldn't do it with hearing Paul say
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: the words trade down is making me quick? Rather no
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: no no no no no no no no stop, rather
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: than take a tackle, Rather than take a tack, I
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: don't want to take a tackle. So Trent Williams has
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: no impact on his team, all right, heaven it's easy,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: not as much of an impact.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: All right, Evan, what do we got? All right?
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 5: Well, that was an adventure, not that anybody cares. You guys,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: start sending the search party because I was in the elements.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: So the Patriots practicing the bubble, So thank you the
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: Socios dot com field hoss. I don't want to insult
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: the people at Socios. They had perfect attendance in the
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: bubble there today, and uh, you know, it took so
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: long because you have to go around, you know, you
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: have to get in your car, you have to drive around.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: So it was a little bit of an adventure to
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: to get there and back, which is what took so long.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: But yeah, perfect attendance. Stretch only, so he didn't really
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: see anything to glean out of the quarterback.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: He looks good. Stretch only, stretch only.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: I still feel you know, coming off of two practices now,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: I still feel like the wind is blowing towards mac
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: Jones starting. I don't know if it's concrete set in stone,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: and they could obviously change their minds at any time,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: but it still feels like the illusion that they're giving
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: is that he's going to be the one that's at
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 5: least going to start this game.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, but shortly probably, That's what I say.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how about one of the possibility of he's planning
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: on playing more than one quarterback by design?
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: Possible?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: I think that's that's definitely possible. They did that. I
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: think the Chicago thing was supposed to be like the
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: claimed in the Chicago.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, is there any chance that while all you guys
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: were inside the bubble, Will Greer was warming up outside
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: and getting ready for the game.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: No, we saw him, But we also we've seen Trent
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 5: Brown the last couple of days. He has been at practice,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: moving maybe a little bit better. I don't know that
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: one is really fascinating to me. Not as much as
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: the quarterbacks obviously, but is this a guy that you
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: really want to play like after what he sounds off
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: and like just I don't know, it's just a lot
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 5: I have a question.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: Though they were in the bubble. There's no lightning today,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: so usually they don't go in the bubble unless it's like,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: you can't practice in this weather.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: It was pretty nasty.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: Oh wasn't that bad.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's pretty It was raining sideways, you know,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: it's like pretty windy.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, yeah it was. It was kind of okay.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: You got to be pretty confident that it's not going
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: to be like.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: I was just doing conspiracy theory and it's like, okay,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: we're trying to get Zappy ready. He's not gonna be
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: able to get ready in this weather. So let's go
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: inside and and you know, give him a puncher's chance.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: Well, the best part is is when they practice, this
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 5: is very inside baseball, but they make us like turn
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 5: our backs to the to the glass.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 8: Mirror.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: So so Rundy is standing with me and we're chatting
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: and he's got a camera and the camera is pointing
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: in the wrong direction but obviously had the cap on
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: and like it wasn't on right, and Gerd Meho just goes, oh,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: you're taking you're taking pictures of the people coming out
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 5: of the bathroom, like joking with them, and like obviously
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: the camera is not on and I'm just standing there.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: I'm like, we should not we should have stood someplace else,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: up against the wall. Oh my god.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 11: Yeah, turn around.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: The next thing, you know, they'll have like sacks over
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: your head, you know. Okay, Saxon, Saxon, Aaron over.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's our time, that's our time line of hostages.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: But it's funny because like then they walk us out right,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: and it's it's a much longer walk to the door
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: than it is outside where the stairs are looking.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Then you're just like, oh my god, the curtain came
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: while the forty Yeah, come.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: Uch, practice, you know, try to stop it, Trent Williams,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: try to stop it. Did you see their offense without
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: Trent Williams? Terrible? Right, But quarterbacks gonna win MVP.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: It's pretty significant, all right, Paul, what happened? We gotta hurry.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: What happened last night?
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah? It was Alex and Evan ten and four, Mike,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: Paul and Fred nine and five. So we all were
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: okay last week with a spread not quite as good
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: for anybody. Alex and Evan again led six seven and one,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: Paul and Fred five eight and one. Mike, what's going
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: on for nine and one. I don't know what you're
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: doing with the spread. I lost my field overall. Alex
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: Mantanzar lead at one O, six and fifty eight, followed
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: by Me at one O one and sixty three, Evan
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: ninety nine and sixty five, Fred ninety seven and sixty six,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: Mike ninety six and sixty eight with the spread Paul
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: eighty seventy six and eight another push last week, followed
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: by Alex seventy eight, seventy eight and eight, Fred seventy seven,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: seventy nine and eight, Evan seventy three, eighty three and eight,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: and Mike sixty eight, eighty eight and eight.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, it goes for kids, not in l for love,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: Mike sor right. All right, So we got a complicated schedule,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: so let's get right to it today, I mean tomorrow.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. At twelve thirty p. Twelve thirty pm o'clock start.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: As I love, I Love the twelve thirty.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice. Four and six packers are at the
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: eight and two Lions.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: Detroit by seven and a half Detroit. I feel the excitement.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna take Detroit, but I'm gonna take those points
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 6: from Green Bay because I'm terrible at picking with.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: The spreads really are and that really it's as I mean,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: the fact that you just made that pick. I'm just like,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: that's why he's got the record.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: He has got to stick with it.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Troit.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: Do we have Alex's picks or am I just going
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: I don't not just go We'll get them from it.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: I should probably check sometimes she sends them to me
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: on the slack.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: So I have the Lions in this game. I was
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: pretty impressed by them last week. Just they could have
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: easily lost that. That could have been a dud and
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: they didn't come back in the fourth quarter. But I
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: like the Packers to cover this spread. Divisional game Island game.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: I think the Packers keep it closed.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: Rock Party or Jordan Love, Rock Pretty Brock, Jordan Love
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: or Matt Jones.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: Who Mac Jones really? I think?
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 6: So wow, I might go to him.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jordan Love's starting to come on a little bit
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: and I need to see more Jordan Love.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's very sporadic. I mean, I'm just going off
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 6: what we watched in Green Bayan.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: Jordan Love, he's played ten games. Yeah, you know Mac
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: Jones played three years, Right, I will take Detroit both ways.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: I think that they bounced back because even though they
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: won the game, it's kind of like they lost, like
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: they played so bad that I think they got to
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: bounce back.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: By the time the four thirty games starts. Are we
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: going to be sick of hearing about John Madden? Oh? No, no, Rip,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: I know, but they're dedicating like the game to John Madden, aren't.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah?
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 6: I thought it was Jimmy Jones. Johnson was going into
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 6: the ring.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I'm talking about the broadcast, Jimmy broadcast.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: Did you take Detroit? Did you ever make a for this?
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I told you you knew the kickout right down? Yeah,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: four thirty on CBS, uh, four and seven Commanders at
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: the seven to three Cowboys.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: Cowboys by twelve and a half.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big Dallas is what like.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 6: Three weeks in a row, they've had like double digit spreads.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like, and so.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: Usually what I'm gonna ta. I know, you always accused
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: me of holding out information own somebody. They covered both
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: of those previous I know.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 6: And I took it last week, but somehow I still
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 6: came out on the bottom. I'm gonna take Dallas and
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna lay those points.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna take Dallas both ways. The Commanders, I they stink.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: That's it. That's all I got. That's tweet. I will
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: take Dallas to win, but I will take the points.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: I don't think Washington flat out stinks like they did
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: last week. I think they clean it up a little bit.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: Twelve and a half is a lot Washington Thanksgiving. I
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: think they'll play a better game and keep it reasonably close.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: Paul great minds. Think of like Cowboys win, but they
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: do not cover. So I'll take the hook. NBC eight,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: twenty pm, the seven and three forty nine Ers, led
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: by Brock Purty are at the six and four Seahawks.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: Niners by seven. Mike again on the road, in the
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: interest of not holding out information the whole weirdness of
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: the NFC West, the Seahawks own the Niners. I was
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: gonna say that. I thought that's what it was, but
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: I wasn't a hunger. I appreciate that information. Shams owned
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: the Seahawks, the Seahawks own the Niners, the Niners own
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: the Rams, and everybody owned. Everybody owns the Cardinals. It's
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: just a it's a circle.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: Thing.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna take San Francisco, but I'm gonna you know
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 6: what I mean, I'm gonna take the points though based
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 6: on Paul's information, I think it might be close.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: But don't listen to me. We probably shouldn't. No, you
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: shouldn't it. I'm bad. I'm gonna take the forty nine
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: ers both ways. Yes, I am going to take San Francisco,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: but I will take the point. Do you have any
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: injury information on Gino Smith? Because I don't feel great
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: about taking a point. He did finish that game, he did,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: he did, no information. I'm gonna take the points. I'm
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: going to go with the whole Seattle own. San Francisco nonsense.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: You would think that they'd give you stuff, right.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so limited but looked good in practice, NFL limited
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: but looked good, just like just like wil Greer good beard, strong,
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: strong beard, great good tattoo game, So Fred does.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: I am going to go with the Seahawks to cover
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: forty nine ers win. So I'm going to give Pete Carroll.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Pete Carroll Caro, one of the best coaches in the game,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: just keeps re read you know, inventing that team.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: Really good Cheers Your way to go five hundred really
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: cheers hired on this. There'll be sifter this.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: He doesn't want to give credit to anyone.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 6: What do you mean?
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: Rock party? He under forty years all to night, bash
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: him all the time.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: Friday, the prime video game that we talked about earlier
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: at three pm Eastern, three pm Eastern, seven and three
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: Dolphins at the four and six Jets.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: Miami by ten ten. Wow, Tim Boyle, boy I am
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: a little bit.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 6: Tempted to take the points. I definitely think Miami is
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 6: gonna win, but I think Tim Boyle.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: Nih Yeah, but the points, Tim Boyle shouldn't be the
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: factor of what you think is going to happen in
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: this game, because he's at least as good as the guy.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: He's replaced, that's true.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: I think it was.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: No, he's not.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: They do this guy was horrifically bad in college, Tim Boyle, Yes,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: get like three different places. I have no idea. Do
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: you know he never threw more touchdowns than interceptions? In college?
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: Is that right?
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: Jeez?
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 6: They're just given starting jobs away these days.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: About brock Purty, I mean, come on, exactly, Uh in
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: the interest do you pick? I did Miami and all
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: of the points of giving.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: A credit to somebody that's over forty. Vic Fangio against
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: Tim Boyle is a one sided mismatch. I'm taking the
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 5: Dolphins both ways.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: Yes I am as well.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I will too, all right. Sunday at
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: one on Fox, the five and five Saints are at
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: the four and six Falcons.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: Atlanta by one. It's a handful of like one point
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: spreads this week. I don't like, I don't like. I
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: don't like those.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 6: Basically A pick them, I'm gonna take. I'll take Atlanta
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 6: at home a lay a point.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like did you already say Desmond Riddle back? Yes, Yeah,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna take.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna take the Saints in this game because I
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: feel like when it comes to these types of games
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 5: where I don't feel good about either team, the Saints
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 5: find ways to win those types of games.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: Taking the Saint Yeah, I'm gonna go with my boy
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: Bjon Robinson. If he gets the ball, they're gonna let
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: me give them him the ball a little bit more
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: this week. I'll take it. I'll take Atlanta.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Saints to win this game.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: I think we picked that game, right, Yeah, like no
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: New Orleans Atlanta one point spread two pick New Orleans
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: two picked Atlanta. I think we got that right.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: One o'clock CBS six and four. Steelers start at these
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: five and five Burrow less Bengals Pittsburgh by one.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: No Burrow, no Borough, no Burrough no Burrow. Can he
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: pick it?
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 6: I don't want to see poor Evan have to wait
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 6: until the Kenny Pickett mentions anymore.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: It's just.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 6: Well, in honor of Tamarrow, I'm gonna take Pittsburgh and
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 6: all later point Seattle Sinat reeling from the loss of
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 6: their quarter back.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: And Pittsburgh probably reveling in the loss of their offensive quarterat.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: There you go, that's true. I didn't think of that.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 5: This is like, you know, because they could rally around
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 5: Jake Browning, but they also could rally around the offensive
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: coordinator thing.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: So it's which rally do you want.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 12: To go to?
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: They might fold our quarterbacks out. We're out of it.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: We just need a good pick now, tank, I'm gonna go.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with Pittsburgh, but reluctantly, I don't feel
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: good about it, and I'm gonna take uh Yeah, I'm
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: gonna go Pittsburgh both.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna take Pittsburgh too. I feel like Evan,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: I don't feel great about it. This is strictly a
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: roll of the dice that they get a little bump
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: and losing a coordinator who evidently was really beyond bad Canada.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if Bengals weren't such a terrible organization,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: I'd be picking them. But I'm gonna go with the
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: Steelers because I think they are gonna rally a little
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: bit more.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 6: Chill Burl, Fred you can just know, I like, you
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 6: don't have no reason to like them anymore. He's out,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 6: just trash them all.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: Good point, good point, one o'clock CBS. This is a
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: good game. I know Paul doesn't like division games, but
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: these seven and three Jaguars are at these six and
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: four Texans.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: Uh, Jacksonville by one and a half. This is a
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: good game with two up and coming teams. I'm gonna
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: go with would you say by one and a half? Yeah, Jacksonville.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna take Jacksonville. I just I think they have
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 6: the better quarterback right now. But of course impressed with
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 6: what Houston's been doing. But I'll take Jacksonville to do
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 6: they maybe, you know, CJ.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: Stroud.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 5: I don't know about that, but I don't know where
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: I'm at. I think it's too early to crown the Stroud.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: I agree you mean he's not the MVP.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 5: He's not the MVP, but neither his Brookie of the Year,
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: Rookie of the Year. Definitely Rookie of the Year front
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: runner for sure. I'm gonna go to the Jags the
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: same reason with as Deuce. I just think that they're
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 5: more ready, you know, for these types of games, been
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: more battle tested, So I can take Jacksonville.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: Heavy is the crown. Yeah, I'm gonna roll the dice.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna take the home team. I'm gonna take Houston.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna go with Trevor ride that bandwagon, Trevor Jackson.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, gets a ton Trevor Jackson. Who am I thinking?
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: First names throw me off? Usually I can decide for you.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: But he does have two first names.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, so Jaguars and they cover at one and a half,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: by the way, one o'clock, CBS four and six, Buccaneers
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: at the five and five Colts, Colts by two and
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: a half. Really jeez, I get I give Quoltes a
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: lot of credit for fighting this year.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they just they cut check just like that.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: He's so all right? How did you go from like
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: one of the best guys in the league two years ago?
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: Now he can we can we waste thirty seconds on this?
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: He is okay, I'm hurry ding ding. How can you
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: possibly still, as a Patriots fan be advocating adding people?
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: Right as soon as this went down, someone in my like,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: you know, commenting on my notes like sign Shack Leonard
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: now like all caps. I was like, really, like, forget
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: about what you think of Shack Leonard, what he used
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: as a player anymore. Like, let's just say for arguments
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: that he's still really good, right, Why would you want
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: to add that right now?
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: You're not doing anything?
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 6: And in the words of Evan, who was like, I
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 6: mean they got Jolie to b and Bentley, I guess
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 6: they're okay, and inside we're trying to suck like what
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 6: their needs are gonna be?
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: Like, I guess he hasn't started for the I mean
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: he's had a lot of injuries and stuff, but he
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: hasn't really even been a regular players. He went from
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: Darius to Shack. It all went down hill, right. I
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: was thinking about that. It's like you changed your name
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: and now you stay. And I know no one's gonna
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: no one's gonna claim them with their contract, just the
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: numbers that you still. Ye, now that contract is gonna
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: go away.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: But remember when you were a kid, you go to
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: the story, Can I guess something? He got enough toys?
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: That's like you should be telling Patriots fans.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: You got enough problems? What toys do? We have moved
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: through the season moment and just right, we got ninety
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: nine problems, But the middle of the linebacker ain't one.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 6: Maybe Colts by two and a half, that's a tough one.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 6: And I'm not gonna give them a bump for losing
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 6: Shack Darius Leonard. I'm gonna get Tampa, Tampa up, upset whatever.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: I'm also taking the Bucks in this game. I think
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: the Bucks have been frisky, and I think Baker Mayfield
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: has been okay, and I just don't really think Ardner minche'
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: is very good.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: So I'm going Bucks. I agree about Minchew, but I'm
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: gonna take the Colts. I just think they're better at
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: home and they find a way to get the win
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: coming off the.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: By Yeah, I'm gonna go with the Colts. They found
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: their stride last week.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: And so it cracks me up that he still says
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: things like that. They won their Super Bowl last week.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: They got a lot of.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: Confidence out of that.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go with the Coats.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 3: Well, the worst games in the history of the league.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: Sunday at one on Fox, the one and nine Panthers
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: are at the three and seven Titans.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: Titans by three and a half.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 6: Oh boy, no, now this is one folks. God, I mean,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 6: we're kind of rooting for Carolina here, sure are. I
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 6: don't think they got it in them though. I'm gonna
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 6: go Tennessee at home, and I will I'm gonna lay
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 6: the points.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna pick with my my heart here and I'm
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 5: picking the upset. I'm picking the Carolina Panthers.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: Who did you pick? I picked the Tennessee t Tons.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 5: I am picking the Panthers. I think that the Titans,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 5: I think they might be be be giving up a
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 5: little bit.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: I think they're yeah, And that's why I'm a little
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: like surprised, Like I think Caroline is going to be
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: like a two or three win team Tennessee is right
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: with you. You can't afford to have them lose games
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: like this, Like that could put Tennessee ahead of the Patriots.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: You could look at it that way.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I don't. I think it's gonna be hard
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: to finish behind Carolina.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 6: In other words, you you have this philosophy a lot
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 6: like even with standings like if the if a team
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 6: is just too far away, just let him go.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, send them out to pastor. I think Carolina is
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: really like terrible. That's a team that tanked, like they
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 3: got rid of a lot of players in the offseason.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm with Evan. I think Caroline is gonna
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: win this game. I think the Will Levis thing, you know,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: that one little bump they had. I told you when
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: I watched some of the highlights, it didn't look like
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: it was quote sustainable. It hasn't been. He's been a disaster.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I want the Panthers to win, but I think
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: the Titans are going to win this game.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: So I'm looking at you, Mike Fraebel.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: All right, now, we skip over the Patriots crying at
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: one o'clock and we go to four oh five. The
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: four and six Rams are at the two and nine.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: Cardinals Cardinals by one, which Wow, somebody was a strange.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 6: Somebody owns somebody in this.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Sharps know something here.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: The Rams own the Cardinals. Everybody everybody owns.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: The Sharps know something.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: The Rams, Well Kyler Murray's back, don't forget.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah that that doesn't they know that.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for the third for the third game they are
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: going to play.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: They know it.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: They better there's Sharps.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 6: I'm going to take the Rams and I'll lay the
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 6: point which one half one one.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're getting points. Cardinals favor give me, give it
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 5: I'm dodn't take the Cardinals. I think the Cardinals are
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 5: They're surprisingly better than I thought they would be, and
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 5: maybe a team that kind of like the Lions where
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 5: they finish the year off a little bit strong and
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 5: are a team that people like next year with what
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 5: they're I don't know.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: They play hard, for Gannon, they're a model in tanking. Yeah,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: they play hard and they're in every game and they
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: find a way to lose it. Yeah, it's a model
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: in tanking. I like the Cardinals. It's a tankthon is
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: that their website.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, take a palooza, that's what the kids call it.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll take the I'm gonna take the Rams. Yeah,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: I don't feel great about it. They're both of these
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: teams are struggling.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Cardinals, partly because.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: You want you want to root against Matthew Stafford, so
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: you make fun of it.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: I get it, and I want the Cardinals to get
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: that third loss. Uh four oh five, Fox, seven and three.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Browns are at the five and five Broncos.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: Denver by one and a half. What has suddenly become
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: an interesting game in the AFC. Right, they're an interesting
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: team Denver. Yeah, all of a sudden, the defense has
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: played much better.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna go with the quarterback at home, I'll
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 6: take I'll take the Broncos just TTR, it's not happening.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 5: I'm also gonna take the Broncos. But vance Joseph having
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: the time of his life running the Brown the Broncos
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: defense lately, and I just think that defense, really, I
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: think they actually have some good players on that defense too.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's just you know, smoking mirrors.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: And they play home every week.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 5: And they home every week and Russell Wilson's a big advantage.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 5: It is the Russ magic stuff is gone, but he's
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 5: at least functioning in the offense at this point.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: So I like the Broncos. Yeah, I watched pretty much
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: wire to wire that game the other night against Minnesota.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: They they made they made some plays. I mean they
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: they were really good when they had to be down
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: the stretch in a game that they were kind of
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: getting out played for the most part. And to your point,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: like Russell Wilson made some plays when he had to,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: some big time throws on fourth down and Courtland Sutton
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: came up big. I think they're gonna keep it going
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: with Jerry.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: I am gonna go with the Broncos as well. Sean
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: Payton's kind of getting back into the groove.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: There was a moment this could get them over five hundred.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a moment they were like, is he
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: a still able to do it? But he's got He's
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: got them back on the right track. Four to twenty
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: five CBS seven and three Chiefs are at the five
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: and seat five and six Raiders.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: Kansas City by eight and a half, eight and a half.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 6: I am I'm definitely going with the Chiefs in this one,
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 6: and I think I'm gonna lay the points. I like
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: them to bounce back after that lost to Philadelphia. They'll
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 6: catch them passes and the Raiders will lose.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: I'll catch some paths they didn't. They didn't catch the
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: passes fast facts.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 5: I like the Chiefs as well both ways, but they
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 5: are so six twenty thirteen patriotsy it's not even funny.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: But in these types of games, I still like the Chiefs.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: I will take Kansas City, but on the road Division game,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: I'll take eight and a half.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: I'm with Paul. Chiefs win, but they don't cover. Raiders
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: cover four to twenty five CBS six and five Bills
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: at the nine one Eagle.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: Good matchup. Eagles by three and a half.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 6: I don't wish I could say the Buffalo is gonna
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 6: continue to bounce back. I think this is a reality
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 6: check for them. They still got problems. I'm gonna take
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 6: the Eagles and lay the points.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: I'm with Deuce.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: I think that the Eagles are a weird team to
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 5: me still, I don't know if they're they're really playing,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 5: but they're they're roster talent, and everything just seems so
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 5: much better than everybody else's I'm taking the Eagles.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna take Buffalo both ways, mostly because Philadelphia
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: is coming off that emotional Monday night road winning Cancs's
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: sitting Nick Sirianni after that, Yeah, I thought it was
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: embarrassing cool, So I think that obviously meant a lot
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: to them based on that, and like, rather than just
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: have it be a regular season business trip, I think
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: they put a lot into it, and that's the biggest
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: reason I'm taking Buffalo. But I do fear the Eagles
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: just powering up and running it right down Buffalo's throat.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Eagles are a weird team, like
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: there often seems hitchy to me. You know, maybe that's
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: because of.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: Her close a team that could sign Chapel.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: But they are so much talent throwout, They're very They're
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: a balanced team. So I'm gonna take the Eagles to
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: beat the Bills and the Bills dropping to six and
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: six and that window continues to close.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you ain't lying because you see the rest of
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: their schedule.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: They got a heart schedule.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like Philly, Miami on the road, Kansas City,
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh on the road.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 5: Day if they don't pull it together, they legitimately might
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 5: not make the playoffs.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they're in major major Troup.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: Eight twenty and be sure. The eight and three Ravens
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: are at the four and six Chargers.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: Baltimore by three and a half.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think the Chargers are really struggling
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 6: right now. I'm going to take Baltimore the I mean,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 6: they might be the best team in the AFC.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm taking Baltimore. I can't believe it's only three
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 5: and a half. I'm taking Baltimore.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: I am going to take Baltimore, but I'm going to
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: take the hook.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: Right, I'm gonna take Baltimore both ways, all right. Monday Night, ESPN, ABC,
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: ESPN Deportes. Three and eight Bears are at the six
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: and five Vikings.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: Minnesota by three and a half.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 6: Justin Fields he's back. Oh boy, I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 6: go with the home team. Tough to get a read
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 6: on where these teams are headed right now. I'll take
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 6: Minnesota lay the points.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna take the home team too.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 5: But I actually thought the Bears played pretty well last week,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 5: and Justin Field's played pretty well, So I'm gonna take
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 5: the Bears to cover, but I'm gonna take Minnesota win.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for the one hundred and eleventh time since Justin
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: Field has been the quarterback of the Bears. I'm gonna
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: take the Bears to win outright, and they're not going to,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: but I'm gonna take one.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Bears too, like. I just think
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: that eventually he's gonna get it and maybe they'll pull
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: out the win. One o'clock. We go back to Sunday
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: at one and it's the two and eight Patriots visiting
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: MetLife to face the three and eight Giants.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: What a game, Patriots by three and a half.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 6: Three and a half. Well, I'm gonna take the Giants
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 6: just I wish I could take the Patriots. Too much uncertainty.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 6: We don't know who's going to start a quarterback. We
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 6: saw the Giants we're able to, you know, produce some
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 6: big plays. That's been a problem for the Patriots too.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 6: I'm worried that those will be a problem this weekend
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 6: for them. I like the Giants to score enough to
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 6: make it happen, but it's gonna still be a low
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 6: scoring game. I will take the Giants nineteen sixteen.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 5: I also like the Giants, I just don't know who's
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 5: going to be at quarterback. I don't know if they
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 5: know who's going to be at quarterback. And Mama's Boys
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 5: at least playing quarterback for the Giants, they have a
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 5: little bit as you know, continuity there. I think it's
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: sixteen to thirteen Giants.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: Can't wait to watch this one. I am going to
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: have some faith bred that the Giants will make enough
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: mistakes for the Patriots to win. I'm gonna say it's
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: going to be a field goal fest, and I have
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: the same score as my nineteen to sixteen Patriots, So
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: I will take the Patriots to win, but I'll take
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: in the hook.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I kind of hope you're right, Paul, and
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: I kind of hope you're wrong. It's one of those
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: seasons for Patris, I understand, but I'm gonna go with
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: the Giants to win at home. Twenty to thirteen. Twenty
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: to thirteen Giants.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: That has to be the first time in the history
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: of the Illustrious Picks Contest that Paul was the only
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 3: one to take the Patriots.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: Just you're very positive. You can wear that badge of
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: honor for the rest of the week.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: I'm proud of that, all right.
• 1:55:37
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