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- Lucas: So Agility Robotics is going public via SPAC in a deal that values the company at two and a half billion dollars. Announced this morning. And I think what's interesting here isn't just the headline number — it's what this deal tells us about founder liquidity in a SPAC structure. Luna: Right, because a SPAC is different from a traditional IPO in terms of when and how founders can actually cash out. Lucas: Exactly. In a traditional IPO, there's typically a lockup period — usually 180 days — during which founders and insiders can't sell their shares. With a SPAC, the lockup is often shorter, sometimes 90 days, and there can be early redemption windows. So the liquidity timeline compresses. Luna: But shorter lockup doesn't guarantee a good price. And a lot of SPACs have traded down after merger. Look at some of the big names from the 2020-2021 cycle. Lucas: That's exactly the risk. So founders and early investors have been using earnouts — additional shares that vest only if the stock hits certain price targets. Agility's deal almost certainly includes something like that. Luna: An earnout basically says, 'We'll give you more shares later if the stock performs.' But it's contingent on hitting a strike price. So it's like a call option the founder gets. Lucas: Right. And the structure varies. Some earnouts are tied to the stock trading above a threshold for a certain number of days. Others are tied to revenue or EBITDA milestones. In Agility's case, since they're pre-revenue — or minimal revenue — it's likely stock-price-based. Luna: So the founder is betting on the market's reception post-merger. If the stock pops, they get more shares. If it doesn't, they at least got some liquidity from the merger itself. Lucas: And that's the key trade-off. In a SPAC, the founder can often sell a portion of their shares at the merger — say, 20 percent — through a so-called 'founder liquidity arrangement.' The rest stays locked up or tied to earnouts. Luna: Let's talk about the cash. Agility is merging with a SPAC that has, I'm guessing, around three hundred million in trust? And they're also raising a PIPE? Lucas: The press release mentions a PIPE of about one hundred million. So total cash proceeds to the company might be around four hundred million. That's a lot of runway for a robotics company that's still commercializing its bipedal robot, Digit. Luna: But for the founder, that cash isn't theirs. It goes to the company. Their personal liquidity comes from selling shares at the merger or in the aftermarket after lockup. Lucas: And that's the tension. The SPAC structure gives the company a big check, but it can leave founders in a position where they can't fully exit until the stock recovers from any post-merger dip. We've seen that with companies like… well, some of the big-name SPACs that are now trading well below their merger price. Luna: It feels like the earnout is a way to align incentives, but it also pushes risk onto the founder. The SPAC sponsors already got their promote — they're not waiting for the stock to hit twenty bucks. Lucas: Exactly. And there's a data point I want to pull in. Look at Palantir — it's down over thirteen percent in the last five days. Palantir went public via direct listing, not SPAC, but it shows how volatile the market can be for tech stocks right now. If Agility's stock takes a hit, founders may be stuck holding shares they can't sell. Luna: And Coinbase is down nine percent over the same period. So the broader market for growth tech is choppy. That makes SPAC earnouts even more critical — but also riskier. Lucas: One thing founders can do is negotiate a so-called 'downside protection' earnout — where they get additional shares if the stock falls below a certain level. But that's rare. More common is the upside-only earnout. Luna: So the takeaway for a founder listening: if you're considering a SPAC, you need to model not just the merger cash, but your personal liquidity timeline under different stock price scenarios. Lucas: And you need a good lawyer who's done SPAC deals before. Because the earnout language is incredibly specific — one basis point difference in the strike price can mean millions. Luna: Speaking of specifics, let's talk about the Agility deal structure. Do we know the exact earnout terms? Lucas: Not yet — they filed the S-4 today, so the details will be public soon. But based on similar deals, I'd expect a tiered earnout: say, one tranche at fifteen dollars, another at twenty, with a three-year window. Luna: And if the stock never hits those levels, the founder just gets their original shares. They don't lose anything, but they also don't get the extra upside. Lucas: Exactly. So it's an asymmetric bet: limited downside, potentially significant upside. But the real risk is opportunity cost — if you're a founder with most of your net worth in the company, you might want to diversify sooner rather than later. Luna: And that's where the SPAC structure can actually help, because it allows for a partial liquidity event at the merger. Founders can sell some shares, pay taxes, and reinvest elsewhere. Lucas: Right. And there's a tax planning angle too. If you sell shares at the merger, that's a taxable event. But if you hold and sell later, you might get long-term capital gains treatment. So the timing matters. Luna: So for a founder like Damion Shelton at Agility, the decision is: how much do I sell now at whatever the merger price is, versus how many shares do I keep for the earnout potential? Lucas: And the answer depends on his personal financial goals, his belief in the company's future, and his tax situation. There's no one-size-fits-all. Luna: This is exactly the kind of conversation we love diving into on this show — real numbers, real structures, helping founders think through their own exit strategy. Lucas: And if you find these conversations useful for what you're building or running, this is a good moment to mention that we deliberately don't run ads on the show. We keep it ad-free so the content stays clean and focused on what matters to you. Luna: Yeah, and that's a choice we make because we believe the value is in the substance, not in selling you something. If you want to support that approach, the link is buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Lucas: So back to Agility — one more important piece. The SPAC market has changed a lot since 2021. Redemptions are lower now, deals are more disciplined, and earnouts are more standardized. So this isn't the wild west it used to be. Luna: But it's still complex. And founders need to go in with eyes open. What's your final piece of advice for someone considering a SPAC exit? Lucas: Hire a banker and a lawyer who've done at least three SPAC deals in the last year. Don't be the guinea pig. And model your personal liquidity under three scenarios: stock goes up, stock stays flat, stock goes down. Then decide if you're comfortable with the worst case. Luna: Because the worst case isn't just losing value — it's being locked into a public company with limited liquidity and a stock price that doesn't reflect the business. That's a tough place to be. Lucas: Right. But if the earnout is structured well, and the business executes, a SPAC can be a great path. Agility might prove that. We'll be watching. Luna: We'll track the S-4 filing and maybe come back with a deeper dive on the actual terms. Thanks for listening, and we'll talk next time.