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The Beginning of a Monster: Clifford Olsen Jr. & El Sibon · When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom

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  Hey, everyone. In serial killer country.
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  My name is Brittany. Ransom, my name is Brian Joyner
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  and this is when Killers get caught a podcast of a deep.
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  Dives into the Killer's. We love to learn about every
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  week bride and I discussed to true crime stories.
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  I resonated with us and then I will lead you down the darker
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  path of learning about who a killer was, how they grew up,
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  how they killed and most importantly how they got caught
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  and then Brian ends our podcast, the touch of the Paranormal, a
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  story about Cryptids or the creepier Suds life and thanks so
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  much for listening. I know a lot of you actually
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  messaged me and they said that they really enjoyed glitch and
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  having her on the podcast but they missed Brian and what you
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  bring to the podcasts or so happy to have you back.
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  Oh yay. Thank you guys.
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  I appreciate it so much, you know, idea.
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  Now this week a true-crime I tried to find something that was
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  killer related because That's my angle but I just was inundated
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  with stories about this case. And so Brian, did you hear about
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  the preacher from New York who was robbed during his sermon?
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  No, it's the like sort of a joke or something.
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  No, it's not. Miss Bishop Lamar, Miller white
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  head and he was live streaming his Sunday.
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  Sermon is about a week ago at the leaders of Tomorrow
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  International Church in Brooklyn when he asked his congregation,
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  how many of you have lost your faith because you saw somebody
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  else died. Literally seconds later, three
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  bass people armed Ons enter the church and he's like, all right,
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  all right, all right and he gets out on like ground lays on his
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  stomach. This is on live stream, like
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  these clips are out there. One of the people stands over
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  him takes like things off of the pastor's body and they walk out
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  and the pasture and formed the police that that was over 1
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  million dollars in jewelry that belonged to both Bishop, Bishop
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  L'Amour and his wife, Wife. Wow he's yes yes yes.
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  And my PD have been kind of release statement to the press
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  and this is an ongoing investigation.
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  No arrests were at least made by Monday of this week and of
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  course he's like, I want Justice, I want these men
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  arrested, but then like on social media, he was like, this
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  is how the dealt, the devil moves, you know?
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  And he offered a 50 thousand dollar reward for the arrest and
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  capture, these perpetrators buddy, These they're done.
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  Those diamonds are now in Canada.
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  They're being broken down and wish they will be sold in
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  Europe. Like there's nobody is pawning
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  this in Brooklyn. It happened like 11:14 a.m. and
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  the church is located in the Canarsie neighborhood in
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  Brooklyn. Yeah, they even have like, clips
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  from outside of the church showing the guys, like popping
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  up in a car and I guess the, the bishop was really upset because
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  he's like, they ripped my collar off.
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  To get to my jewelry, my God. Oh my God.
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  Jesus, I felt the Demonic Force. I felt it pushed The door now.
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  Pause that because that everybody feels.
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  But oh well, that sucks. You going to mean but all across
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  my timeline has been have we? We've been saying Eat the Rich
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  but should we just robbed churches for the poor?
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  Like because obviously he is not giving to the poor.
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  I mean for himself? Yeah.
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  Churches don't they don't. Pay was a taxes or something,
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  right? Do you have to pay taxes?
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  See ya, pretty. Well, so here's the best thing
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  about this, of course, is all over the place.
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  So today is the 29th when I'm recording this yesterday.
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  there's an article in the New York Post that says, That
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  apparently there was a lawsuit from one of his members of his
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  congregation stating that he stole 90,000 dollars from that
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  man, last year. And so apparently I around this
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  area in Brooklyn but ship, Lamar Whitehead is known for wearing
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  Gucci suits. Diamond-encrusted chains has
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  loads of luxury vehicles and he has an extensive history of
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  stealing from his congregation. He's been in prison.
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  In for identity theft and grand larceny.
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  The woman who filed the lawsuit? Her name is Pauline Anderson and
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  she said that he convinced her to liquidate her life savings
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  and invest 90 thousand dollars in November of 2020, which of
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  course, didn't happen. Nothing in it was invested into
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  nothing. He was like, I will invest this
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  into real estate and then we can buy Renovate a better home for
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  you, mind you in New York City. Hmm, where it's like, three
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  thousand dollars for a studio apartment.
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  So buying property in New York cost a lot more than 90 K.
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  And she also apparently, he also agreed to pay her a hundred
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  dollars per month to like help her.
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  Since that savings was her only source of income.
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  She's 56. So I guess she was retired.
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  And that was supposed to be like her, her life money instead, he
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  used that ninety thousand dollars for a down payment
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  towards the 4.4 million dollar home that he bought for himself
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  in Saddle River. New Jersey.
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  That is still like ongoing, but obviously they are pulling apart
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  this man's. And the worst part about this is
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  I'm gonna send you this link and you can see like they show like
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  The church trash it looks horrible.
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  Like normally when people are like, these mega church, guys
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  are making all this money. The place looks beautiful.
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  Yes, not this one. I'll know.
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  And I'm like, how are y'all giving money to this shit list?
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  He is a fraud and a fake. I bet you as they continue
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  pulling up, there are more people from his congregation who
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  he just flat-out robbed. I can see that happening.
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  Very soon. And what if he just like had
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  like super religious? But I'm like, listen.
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  This is not a man of God. Y'all you need to find better
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  people to follow because it's this ain't it.
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  Is he's not it. Yeah I'm just I'm just thinking
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  like maybe he just had he's found a rundown church and then
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  he just like, hmm I don't want to do here.
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  And just like so that like 4.4 million house that sale didn't
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  go through and that. And so that's how Pauline
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  learned about it. Essentially.
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  He accidentally sent an email to her son.
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  Rashid Anderson about the purchase of the property.
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  I guess. He her son must have like work
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  with the church or something, and, but he eventually used that
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  money for a 4.5 million dollar apartment complex, in Hartford
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  Connecticut. So he's trying to move and leave
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  the ghetto actually. I don't know if Canarsie is that
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  much, if you get her, I just know that what happened here was
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  a little bit ghetto. I feel bad.
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  Yeah, absolutely yeah but he got like oh he is like a little mini
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  mansion and so Pauline is seeking 1 million dollars in
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  Damages for his morally. Reprehensible acts and for
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  stealing her entire life savings.
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  Obviously the case is still pending because that was filed
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  in 2020 when everything was a mess and obviously courts are
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  still backed up because while they're handling old cases.
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  New cases are coming up just adding more, so I'm thinking
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  that this is going to be the update.
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  I was like, apparently he has defended his lifestyle very
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  aggressively saying that his public displays of wealth didn't
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  lead to this robbery and like people are like you sure your
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  giant Blinged-out cross didn't make you a Target.
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  It's a massive. It's easily.
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  Like the size of the palm of an adult person saying, oh my God,
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  and it's Square in the middle. That's just, that's what they
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  ripped off his neck and I was just like, sir, they stole his
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  Rolex seventy-five thousand dollars.
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  I'm like you supposed to be a man of the people, you will you
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  not given Jesus? This was not giving Jesus.
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  No, he was given to himself. He's a man to himself the like
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  Jesus would have walked in your church.
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  And Roger is to review and through everything on the floor.
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  Like he did with the tax collectors.
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  But that's all I got for you today.
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  I was, oh my God, rolling at the update.
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  I'm like, are you kidding? Of course.
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  I knew he was a con man. I just didn't know he was like
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  that level of a con, man. I thought it was like he You
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  know, little bits of money, the natural way that churches make a
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  bajillion dollars, but his churches and the one making the
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  money. It's just him.
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  It's just him and his scheming scamming and stuff.
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  Oh well, that was our pride, I liked it.
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  Okay. So for the story for my story,
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  this week, it's also an update. Okay.
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  So about seven months ago, go, I'm not sure if you remember
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  this, a lot about four men were arrested with conspiracy
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  conspiracy to kidnap resulting in death and kidnapping and the
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  charged with like murder-for-hire basically was
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  this the guys who are trying to kill that Senator.
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  No, not this one. Because they didn't actually
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  kidnapper they just planned it out.
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  Yeah the so seven months ago they are indicted on you know on
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  this okay but this happened back in 2020 so 47 year-old Eric
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  Charles moaned and he he's like the main person as but they're
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  like three other guys. They're all two of them were
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  also like around Eric's. Aged 48-47.
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  There's a 31-year old to. So what happened is that Eric
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  hired these guys to kidnap And possibly murder his mistress.
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  And her boyfriend. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. Well, it's his mistress not.
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  I guess not his ex Ministries. His she's as ex-mistress now.
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  But you know what I mean? She well, It's probably some
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  context we're not going to get into this if on TV.
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  Whoa, oh my God. Okay so Mom, and he would, I
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  guess he lived. They'll guess was a Texas thing
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  and it was all Texas area should say and he would drive to
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  Nashville to visit, I guess a relative And in early February,
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  20 20, he emailed a woman later who wasn't identified as his
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  mistress. His mistress's name was Holly
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  Williams and she was 33 years old and she had a 36 year old
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  boyfriend. His name was William land way.
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  Okay, so he, you know, he started this affair with her why
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  you know, emailing her to see her when he was you know, coming
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  to visit Okay. And So how does he get to kill
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  her and her boyfriend? Yeah.
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  Okay. He's this is the part.
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  So after he visited, blah blah, blah mod, he receives this text
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  message from Lan way, who was Williams boyfriend and he's
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  like, if you, if you don't pay me, I will eat three basically
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  layaway, try to, you know, blackmail Him saying if you
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  don't pay me, I'm going to expose this whole relationship
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  and it's not very good at having an affair if all these people
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  can find out details about I know, right?
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  It's really bad. Okay.
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  All right then so bonds like all right, you know what know this
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  ain't gonna happen so he got these three guys.
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  To assist him with dealing with the threats from Mantua and this
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  happened on March 5th 2020. He took out fifteen thousand
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  dollars from his bank account and yeah, serious business.
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  Yeah. And I guess they stalked Miss
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  Holly Williams for a while, eight thousand dollars in cash
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  was Leslie. A deposit into some spear tip
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  security business account, as well as like seven thousand
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  dollars for this, add it to one of the other guys, the the other
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  Hitman his account. So on March 12th mon, he said he
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  allegedly allegedly. Transferred 150,000 dollars into
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  a bank account and which belong to, I'm going to say his name is
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  pelled. That's it.
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  That's how his name is bellowed and I'm pretty sure this guy was
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  like the main the main hit man. So he was the ball hit man with
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  these other guys. So after after this money is
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  transferred to his account on the same day, his two henchmen
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  Brockway and carry, they confronted Williams and then way
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  in a parking lot and they shot land way multiple times.
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  And any kidnapped, Holly Williams and they reportedly
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  drove her and laying way to a construction site.
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  And wishes It's called Old Hickory Boulevard before they
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  murder their as well. Yeah, so both bodies, they were
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  discard it. And then They just didn't.
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  All right. Well, it well there.
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  Yeah. So, apparently between March
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  11th and then the right now. 750 thousand dollars was transferred
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  by moaned to pelled Brockway and carry for their crimes. all
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  right, and then I guess they were all.
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  They are all arrested. December 10th 2021.
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  And yeah it's I guess Monde was like he was a partner at the at
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  the Mond Automotive Automotive Group in Allston.
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  So he worked at this car please. So very he, you know, he was
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  well known in the area I'm assuming.
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  So that's why is a threats for getting to him?
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  He's like, I kiss going to ruin my business.
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  Can't let these people booing, my business, my car business.
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  I'm gonna have to kill them. It doesn't say went like how
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  they were arrested and you know how people found out about that,
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  they did this? But yeah, like December 10th
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  2021 please, pick them up. On, you know.
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  On these charges. And now, the thing is that this
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  update is that there are still like there's still things coming
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  out like He? He's a he's facing even like
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  more charges have come and have come up.
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  I see He's trying it now now what it is is that he tried to
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  have one of the co-conspirators, one of the, the Hitmen he tried
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  to. He tried to make arrangements
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  from prison, it from prison to hire to hire somebody else to no
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  way to kill one of the co-conspirators.
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  Yes, yes. I was like so you just you do
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  you have a learn? Have you?
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  You haven't learned anything. I really just think they can get
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  away with everything. Yeah, I forget who which one is
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  it that he tried to get killed? I don't know, I think it's a No,
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  it doesn't say, it doesn't say which one.
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  It just says co-conspirator and then he just goes over the whole
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  case again, what happened? And blah blah blah.
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  But yeah, it's it, it started getting wild after I start as
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  after I read it and I was like what?
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  You try to get somebody else killed at while he's in prison,
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  okay? All right, buddy.
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  Yeah. That's why I got, all right.
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  Well yeah. I guess.
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  Okay. Usually we give our cousin's in
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  Canada props for doing the right thing when it comes to Killers.
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  But this week we're going to talk about a serial killer had a
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  particularly lengthy, a horrible criminal history and still
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  somehow managed to get Released a comical amount of times to go
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  on to kill 11. Teens and children that we know
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  of his name was Clifford Olson, Junior, and they called him the
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  Beast of British Columbia this week.
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  There's so much with this man's life that I had to break this
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  up. I told just for you listening,
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  they're like 28, right? And pages of content about him
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  that I did. So I, I cut off this week.
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  At his 40th birthday from the time that he was 17 years old to
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  the time that he was 40. He only spent 1,500 days out of
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  prison. There are a lot of rest that
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  we're gonna have to talk about today, but we always have to
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  start at the beginning and so Clifford Olson.
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  Jr. Was born January 1st, 1942
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  Clifford and Leona Olson. He was their first son and back
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  in the 1940s when babies were born.
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  On the new year. They would usually hand out
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  Silver Spoons or cases of canned milk, but because Clifford was
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  born at 10:00 at night and his mom have been in labor all day.
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  All the baby prizes are already been handed out But he did get
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  his name put in the local paper as a New Year's baby.
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  The family went back to where they lived and Pacific National
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  exhibition grounds in Vancouver, British Columbia, they had a
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  pretty small home, that got filled very quickly within the
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  first three years of his life. He got two brothers, Richard and
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  Dennis and a baby sister Sharon and they were only living off of
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  one income. So it was already pretty tough,
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  but Leona did her best like many families who have lots of kids.
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  They all grew up wearing the older kids, hand-me-downs and
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  patching knees and trying to make clothes last Long as
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  possible Clifford, senior worked as a Milkman, the actually was
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  one of the last people to drive a horse drawn cart and deliver
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  milk to people's homes. He yeah.
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  He would have been part of the last men of the air to do, so
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  even though eventually though that gets phased out and he
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  starts doing odd, jobs becomes a construction laborer for a local
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  build site. They were kind of though still
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  kind of just living your typical Suburban life.
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  Even though money's a little tight and that is until World
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  War Two and it kind of changed everything for the family.
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  Now, unlike what happened in the United States, which is that
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  America attempted to be on involved in the conflict for as
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  long as possible Canada. Did not do that.
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  They immediately went to Aid Britain in the war against the
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  Axis powers and at first, that was just aid.
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  But eventually they were drawn into the official conflict when
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  they're shipping Avenues were attacked by German.
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  U-boats, so Clifford, senior was a stand-up guy.
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  Any felt this calling to help his country and he signed up, he
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  didn't want to just sit and lay bricks, I while his fellow
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  countrymen were dying, and during his time in World War
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  Two, there were times where he was allowed to come back home
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  and stop him with his children, but pretty much the first like
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  45 years of all of the kids lives.
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  He just wasn't around very often for Clifford jr.
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  His father was kind of a mess. He was this incredible, man.
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  He was a soldier out fighting in the war.
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  And by the time, World War 2 was over clever.
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  It was about five years old and Clifford, senior was no longer
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  as sprightly and excited. One could say he was a shadow of
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  a man, he came back home from the war and he was like, you
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  know what, I just I don't even want to do anything even
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  remotely violent anymore. I wanted to be home.
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  I want to have a home and be happy now very much like in the
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  United States there was a program to give mortgages to
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  Veterans and the same thing, it was actually a much more
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  extensive program than what the u.s. offered because well,
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  Canada wasn't dealing with the anti-black racism.
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  At the US was at the time. But the Olson family decided to
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  take up that offer to get it back and they move to a much
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  bigger city named Richmond. And Richmond was booming,
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  because a lot of veterans were taken their version of the GI
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  Bill and moving there. And the place was building
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  houses or more. So bringing in people faster
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  than they could, build houses and Clifford.
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  Senior is like, one able to get a home very early on and a
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  relatively large one, and he's immediately able to get a job.
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  But since a lot of skilled laborers died in World War 2,
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  and he already had a background in construction. so, at least
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  for the family, The the fifth year of Clifford's Life starts
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  out pretty, pretty nice. As for Clifford things, begin to
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  go sour when he starts school in the fall.
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  He was a short stocky little boy.
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  And since he'd only really lived with his younger Silas siblings
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  and his mom for so long. He hadn't really been socialized
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  to, like deal with a lot of different people and Richmond.
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  Most of the kids knew each other and had, you know, since the
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  daycare days so Clifford was Feeling outside and a lot of the
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  kids ignored him. And at first Clifford kind of
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  shut down, you know, you come home and he would be upset and
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  his mom would try and figure out what was wrong.
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  Within that first week though. Five-year-old Clifford decided
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  that well, you can't ignore me if I punch you and he began
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  picking fights with other kindergarteners.
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  And that was that was the path that he Chosen.
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  And now the kids had a reason not to want to be around him and
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  he started not just fighting kids, his own age but older and
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  he always lost. Oh no.
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  So he became like this kind of joke.
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  Among the kids at school, which only made him want to fight
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  more, and it was pretty common for his mom to patch or repair
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  his clothes, almost daily. And if there was a day, he
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  didn't come home with a black eye or a bruise.
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  It was a friggin miracle. That reputation followed him
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  into elementary school, he didn't get good grades.
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  And his teachers tried to help but Clifford, never really did
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  more than the bare minimum, which was showing up and sitting
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  in the chair. His parents got used to To a lot
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  of letters home every quarter saying he's at risk of failing.
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  Not this point. He's in early Elementary School
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  and his brothers come to school too.
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  And the teachers are shocked, they assumed all the Olsen kids
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  were going to be terrible after their experience with Clifford.
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  But the two brothers, Dennis and Richard pop up and they are
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  excellent students and never get in trouble.
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  So it kind of almost makes it worse for Clifford because now,
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  they're, like, why can't you be like your brother?
• 27:25
  Others, you know how that goes, Nobody Likes here and that's
• 27:28
  cool. And so it's Clifford Juniors,
• 27:32
  entering Middle, School Clifford, senior leaves
• 27:35
  construction and gets a job as a property manager.
• 27:38
  And this is great. This gives him all this time and
• 27:41
  more money. And he's like now that we're
• 27:43
  financially stable, I'm going to invest this time and money into
• 27:47
  my children, unlike almost every True Crime.
• 27:51
  Dad. We have ever discussed Clifford.
• 27:54
  Senior wanted to encourage his kids to the way that he had
• 27:57
  never had. As a child, the family love that
• 28:00
  the kids loved it. Except for Clifford Junior, who
• 28:02
  was a total buzzkill? and so, like the thing was, if
• 28:06
  you showed interest in like anything, Clifford senior was
• 28:11
  like, all right, let's go do this.
• 28:12
  So if like one of the boys was like, oh well, I want to, you
• 28:16
  know, learn about science. He's like bets go to the Science
• 28:18
  Museum and Clifford bigger went along, but he didn't like it.
• 28:21
  And if somebody was like, I really like music.
• 28:24
  He's like, awesome. I'll take you to go.
• 28:26
  See people play violin or play piano Clifford went along.
• 28:31
  We didn't seem to like it. So one day, when Clifford
• 28:33
  Juniors about 12, his dad gets tickets to a boxing match and
• 28:37
  he's just like I'm going to take him Leona is not into this, but
• 28:43
  Clifford seniors. Like, what if, you know, we can
• 28:47
  find one activity that will help with his attitude.
• 28:51
  And so, he kind of like against his wife's wishes, Takes him to
• 28:58
  this boxing match and he sneaks them in.
• 29:01
  And from the moment, they arrived Clifford jr.
• 29:05
  Is into it, he joins in with the crowd, with the jumping and the
• 29:10
  screaming and the Clapping Clifford seniors, like found it.
• 29:14
  The thing, my kid likes and so just like he did with the other
• 29:17
  kids, he tastes like days. After this Clifford juniors are
• 29:21
  talking about and, you know, and then this happened, he's telling
• 29:23
  everybody about it. So Clifford senior takes them to
• 29:25
  a boxing gym and there's one of those old school.
• 29:27
  On with the sawdust floor and big heavy leather bags and was
• 29:31
  full of ex-soldiers and Old-Timers who just needed to
• 29:34
  get some air, you know, energy out and he signs his short
• 29:38
  chubby sign up for lessons. And Clifford jr.
• 29:42
  Is a natural in the ring Leon has not too excited about it but
• 29:45
  this was the first time they'd really ever seen their son,
• 29:48
  happy ever know. And one day, when he goes to
• 29:52
  pick up Clifford, Junior seniors, just kind of sitting
• 29:55
  outside in the car and the coach is like, hey, I think he's good
• 29:59
  enough to enter a competition and Clifford seniors.
• 30:02
  Like, are you just kind of like You know, smoke up my ass.
• 30:07
  Yeah, you could. You could give me the pay for
• 30:10
  more lessons but the coaches, like, no, I'm serious.
• 30:15
  Come inside and look at him, he's in the ring right now.
• 30:17
  And so he walks in and sees his son, just, you know, duck and
• 30:23
  dive in throwing punches like, he's bouncing around the ring
• 30:27
  like lightly and like he's all right.
• 30:30
  He's like all right. And so the two of them while
• 30:32
  he's finishing up his fire talking about Your specialized
• 30:35
  diets training schedules. Maybe one Heyday can be in the
• 30:38
  Olympics like around this time, boxing was huge across the
• 30:44
  world. I mean, the u.s. we have
• 30:46
  Muhammad Ali. Like everybody had their person
• 30:50
  and like it was a huge thing. Of course so far like all of our
• 30:55
  stories involving Clifford, thanks shift.
• 31:00
  Clifford Junior just one day. Quits boxing pretty abruptly.
• 31:05
  See he had a plan. All those kids who'd been
• 31:08
  whooping him for the last six years, he had an Arya Stark like
• 31:12
  list and he intended to make all of them pay.
• 31:18
  So, he systematically starts showing up at these kids homes
• 31:21
  and knocking them all out. Well, that's legit.
• 31:27
  You beat my ass in kindergarten pop, knock them out right in
• 31:31
  their front yards. Hey back.
• 31:38
  And as he started taking these kids out, one by one all the way
• 31:40
  up to the older kids, who bullied him and knocking them
• 31:43
  out to his reputation changes. He's not a loser anymore.
• 31:47
  Now, he's a bully. Hmm.
• 31:50
  See, as far as Clifford Junior was concerned.
• 31:53
  His dad wanted him to be the best in the world and Clifford.
• 31:56
  Just wanted to be the best in the school.
• 31:58
  He still show up at the gym in like spar with folks, but it was
• 32:01
  only to stay Sharp. He does make some friends, but
• 32:05
  most of his friends right now are just people who want to stay
• 32:08
  in his good graces and not get knocked out.
• 32:13
  Most were a little bit older and already involved in like the
• 32:16
  criminal element in town and somewhere around late middle
• 32:19
  school early high school. As when Clifford discovers that
• 32:22
  he has a gift, See. All throughout his early
• 32:27
  childhood he was like aggressively unhappy about
• 32:31
  rejection and his new friends taught him.
• 32:34
  That listen rejection is in the end of the world.
• 32:37
  You can you can get past that you just because he saw his
• 32:40
  friends because you know, he's getting in the girls and things
• 32:42
  right now and like he's terrified to even talk to a
• 32:45
  girl. His friends were like, listen,
• 32:47
  she says, no to you, who cares? And so, he's like, he gets over
• 32:51
  that mental block of being rejected by everyone. and all of
• 32:56
  a sudden he can talk to anybody and he starts taking notes from
• 33:01
  his friends who were doing kind of little cons and he noticed
• 33:05
  that they were really slick and they never made any mistakes and
• 33:09
  that He was going to be better than they were and when I bring
• 33:15
  that up because the thing is when somebody is just too good
• 33:18
  Brian, I just gave him his to to perfect.
• 33:23
  Do you believe them know exactly what's little?
• 33:27
  So that's what he noticed. Watching his friends who were
• 33:29
  doing cons was that they were actually being too good.
• 33:33
  And so he realized that if he could strategically show a
• 33:36
  weakness that would make people trust him more like make himself
• 33:41
  the butt of a joke. Laugh along with it and then
• 33:43
  that Lord people's defenses and then he could actually come
• 33:47
  them. Rob them, convince them to give
• 33:50
  him things his reputation for being a bully, never really
• 33:54
  left. Like he got to the point with
• 33:58
  his ability to like talk kind of smooth was that instead of
• 34:01
  walking up to a kid at school and punching them to steal their
• 34:04
  money, he would pretty much kind of coerce them into giving it
• 34:07
  up. And he actually loved that idea
• 34:10
  that he didn't have to He could get what he wanted without
• 34:13
  violence, okay. And this goes on until he's
• 34:16
  about 16 years old. At that point, he's like I feel
• 34:20
  like I have everything I need to be successful in life and
• 34:24
  honestly, he's been skipping school, pretty aggressively
• 34:27
  since he was about 10 years old. So when he just stopped showing
• 34:30
  up at Cambridge Junior High in 1956, they were like, okay, I'm
• 34:37
  sure some of his teachers were probably pretty happy to
• 34:39
  realize. He wasn't coming back.
• 34:43
  However, his parents are like, listen, you gotta go to school
• 34:49
  but this very good quiet. Kind of morose child didn't
• 34:53
  exist anymore and his parents are like, well, he's here.
• 34:57
  He's become This. Charming young man, who says, he
• 34:59
  doesn't want to go to school anymore, but also says he has a
• 35:02
  plan. I told his parents, he's like,
• 35:04
  listen, we all know I'm not going to college.
• 35:07
  Why should I spend the next two years trying to make a grades
• 35:10
  for college? I'm not going to, I Is go and
• 35:13
  start making money now, as parents are like, you know, that
• 35:17
  does make sense, but you got to get a job.
• 35:20
  Like now the same day, his parents told him, you got to go
• 35:25
  get a job. He walked into the old Lansdowne
• 35:27
  Racetrack and talked them into giving him a job.
• 35:31
  Damn what he was going to do was take bets from the patrons at
• 35:36
  the racetrack and that involved him kind of walking around and
• 35:38
  talking to people and of course his gift really He helps, you
• 35:43
  know, who do you thinks gonna win?
• 35:45
  And he would kind of nudge them toward the wrong choice, so that
• 35:50
  the track collected more money. And then he started making his
• 35:53
  own bets on the side to make money off of their bad bets.
• 35:57
  And his employer didn't care because they were making money
• 36:01
  heads over. You know, Fisto, it was a
• 36:03
  hangover Fest. Yes.
• 36:06
  And if anybody got mad at Clifford for luring them into a
• 36:08
  bad investment. Yeah, he wasn't super tall but
• 36:11
  he was still pretty stock. And he absolutely could knock
• 36:14
  you out kind of first time in Clifford's life.
• 36:18
  He's got a lot of money and he's feeling pretty great about it.
• 36:21
  He very quickly decided that he could do better though.
• 36:25
  So we went back to a lot of his friends from high school.
• 36:27
  Many of them had also quit school and he's like, listen you
• 36:30
  guys always have money. What are you doing to make all
• 36:32
  this money? And they were like, I mean, we
• 36:35
  we do some things that are pretty bad but we could use some
• 36:37
  muscle, will pay you to keep us safe as a lookout.
• 36:42
  And he does At first, but very quickly.
• 36:44
  He's like I I need to do more and so he keeps the job at the
• 36:49
  track so that he has a day job that makes sense for his
• 36:52
  parents. But then at night, he starts
• 36:54
  going to the bar and listed under the hot gossip and he
• 36:57
  heads out in the street for what he feels is his real job.
• 37:01
  And in the beginning that was Robin drunks still in their
• 37:04
  wallets mugging people. Sometimes he was so successful
• 37:09
  at talking people out of their money.
• 37:11
  They didn't even report him. Police.
• 37:13
  Okay. Nice from from muggings.
• 37:16
  He moves into burglary and the people who were teaching him how
• 37:19
  to burglarize were actually pretty bad at their job to the
• 37:22
  point where Clifford improved upon their method and just
• 37:25
  wasn't getting caught. He was smart, calculated
• 37:27
  athletic. And unlike many of the people
• 37:30
  committing these jobs, he wasn't an addict.
• 37:32
  So he wasn't hindered by the fact that he was under the
• 37:35
  influence, like they were. So he started doing is he would
• 37:39
  watch people while they were at the track and he would, you
• 37:41
  know, take baths and He would pick up the high, Spenders keep
• 37:45
  an eye on them, especially if they want.
• 37:48
  You got to put down your information and now he knows
• 37:50
  where they live and then he would hit their house later and
• 37:54
  he was doing it so well, that the police actually thought that
• 37:57
  this was a new gang. Or even the mob moving into town
• 38:03
  even though there were no real patterns to it, the police did
• 38:06
  come up with a way that was successful.
• 38:11
  Unfortunately, his methodology is, what got him caught
• 38:14
  essentially. A lot of people who robbed will
• 38:17
  go back to an easy spot over and over again and that's how they
• 38:20
  get caught and Clifford noticed that.
• 38:22
  So he was like, I'm only going to hit these people once and
• 38:27
  then I'll move to a different look.
• 38:29
  You know, I'll go to different locations.
• 38:31
  And so what the police did was they kind of plotted all of his
• 38:34
  burglaries and like, at this point we're talking about well,
• 38:37
  over 30. And so they're plotting them out
• 38:40
  and they go, we're just going to wait, where he hasn't gone yet.
• 38:46
  And one night cop saw him climbing into a window.
• 38:52
  Clifford's family is very upset. Clifford senior refuses to speak
• 38:58
  to him at all, won't visit him in prison.
• 39:01
  Won't post his bail or contact anybody who could post it.
• 39:06
  His mom, pretty much related information between dad and son,
• 39:09
  and despite the fact that Clifford senior was mad at him,
• 39:11
  he didn't want his kid to go to jail forever.
• 39:13
  Just a little bit right there first.
• 39:17
  Yeah, it was the first time he'd ever been in trouble.
• 39:19
  So they spent all their savings and they got them a really good
• 39:22
  boy. And try and keep them out of
• 39:23
  prison for a long amount of time.
• 39:25
  So here's the thing, Clifford's clever Juniors.
• 39:27
  Lawyer is like, listen, he's underage.
• 39:29
  She's only 17 and the police are like he's robbed 15 to 30
• 39:35
  houses. But the promise they couldn't
• 39:38
  prove that it was him. Who did all the other ones?
• 39:41
  Yes, it matched a pattern, but they searched the entire Olson
• 39:45
  house, and found only cash. There were no items that had
• 39:50
  belonged to any of the houses that have been hit.
• 39:52
  And that's because Clifford had a solid set of people.
• 39:56
  He fenced stolen goods to and he would take the items directly
• 40:00
  from the job to the fence so that he never had the items on
• 40:06
  him for longer than an hour or so, damn, this smart.
• 40:10
  Okay, the judges definitely like, I understand what you're
• 40:13
  saying, but you're not giving me what I need for a conviction
• 40:16
  here. That's the judges.
• 40:18
  Like maybe we can do like a little scared-straight situation
• 40:20
  here, so they sent him to the Haven borstal, correctional
• 40:24
  center and bernabe to serve, nine months, until he turns 18
• 40:29
  Clifford isn't into New Haven. It was everything he hated about
• 40:34
  school and also he couldn't leave.
• 40:38
  Guards and teachers control, the virtually every moment of the
• 40:40
  students lives. Anytime he felt like he could
• 40:43
  relax, he is being watched and the thing is covered smart kid.
• 40:49
  He could have done what the judge wanted him to do.
• 40:54
  He might not have been a bad good student but he wasn't.
• 40:56
  A stupid guy. Thing is clyfford still kind of
• 40:59
  angry. Despite the fact that like all
• 41:02
  of the things that bothered him when he was very young, he has
• 41:06
  absolutely overcome and best it all of it.
• 41:10
  He still mad. And he's got this sense of
• 41:13
  teenage rebellion. Plus he really doesn't like when
• 41:16
  people have more power than him, he feels like they're picking on
• 41:19
  him and so he spends a lot of those nine months, focusing on
• 41:23
  Revenge I just have enough despite the fact that Clifford
• 41:27
  is it a completely different School area, his reputation of
• 41:29
  being a terrifying, child extends into the facility, he
• 41:33
  still buff and he verbally lashes out at people, you know,
• 41:39
  like, he cuts them down just publicly humiliates them, and
• 41:44
  he's physically stronger than a lot of them.
• 41:46
  And so, very quickly, people learn not to mess with him.
• 41:52
  And then one night in the dorm, he Witnesses a rape. and for
• 41:56
  most people that would be a horrifying experience, but
• 42:00
  Clifford is like That's another way to humiliate and control
• 42:04
  people. And so he goes, and he talks to
• 42:07
  the other rapist and he's like, I would like to be a part of
• 42:10
  this. And the other boys were like,
• 42:14
  well, you're the oldest and the biggest so sure.
• 42:17
  And they pretty much give him his choice of victims.
• 42:21
  Pretty much the most feminine looking younger boys were set
• 42:23
  aside specifically for him though.
• 42:25
  He did allow some of his friends in his little rape, click to
• 42:29
  violate them as well. By the time he left New Haven.
• 42:33
  There wasn't another kid there who was lost like like the other
• 42:37
  students. The staff hated And the best
• 42:42
  thing about Clifford is that two months, before he supposed to
• 42:46
  leave mind you his sentence was only nine months.
• 42:50
  So, seven months into his sentence.
• 42:52
  He's like, you know what, I'm tired of being here, I'm just
• 42:55
  gonna leave. And so, one day, he noticed that
• 42:59
  one of the trees near the like wall, with the stone wall,
• 43:05
  around the building had grown a bit, too high and hadn't been
• 43:08
  pruned properly. And so he straight-up climbs the
• 43:11
  Three is over the wall and in the woods, follow the road and
• 43:16
  heads back to Richmond before, people are even aware.
• 43:18
  He's gone. By the time they set off the
• 43:20
  alarms and the policeman show up, he's a solid distance away.
• 43:24
  The police, of course, go to the Olson home and they're like, we
• 43:28
  wouldn't come here, he knows we turn a man.
• 43:31
  He stops in Richmond long enough, so he can grab cash from
• 43:34
  the people who owed him some money.
• 43:36
  And then he goes, and tries to steal a boat.
• 43:38
  And I say, tries to steal a boat, he kind of Steals it.
• 43:42
  So he doesn't know how to work about.
• 43:46
  So when the police get to the dock, he's turned it on and
• 43:51
  that's about it and he figures out how to make it move at the
• 43:55
  highest speed and he just goes. He is barely avoiding.
• 44:03
  Many of the obstacles in the river, the police show up in
• 44:06
  their boats and they chase him and then they fire a warning
• 44:10
  shot. And he cuts off the motor stands
• 44:14
  up and puts his hand in the air. They dragged him to shore arrest
• 44:17
  him again and while there, you know, shackling him the police
• 44:22
  said that he started laughing and said you spent your whole
• 44:25
  night chasing a free man my birthday's in a couple week
• 44:28
  weeks I'll be back on the street anyway turns out that's a bad
• 44:32
  thing to say to the police because yeah relate that
• 44:35
  information to the judge and the judge was like, nah, you get two
• 44:39
  more years. No parole.
• 44:41
  Don't doesn't he do? You hear his Miranda rights?
• 44:43
  Like, whatever you say can be used against you?
• 44:49
  I guess, I'd he's street-smart not necessarily other smart but
• 44:54
  The judge also decided that he can't be trusted to stay at the
• 44:57
  facility for children. So he's being sent to an adult
• 45:00
  prison this time and not present is called The Haney,
• 45:03
  Correctional Facility. I'm going to give you a heads up
• 45:06
  that this is one of the first of many prisons.
• 45:08
  This man spends the next 30 Years in, and out of Haney
• 45:12
  prison opened in 1957, it was based on Rehabilitation the
• 45:17
  ideas. They were going to push these
• 45:18
  really positive, social values and behavior, and provide a
• 45:22
  training program. It closed in 1975, and that's
• 45:26
  not how it ended Clifford arrives in 1958, and, despite
• 45:31
  their very Noble and idealistic principles.
• 45:33
  They built this present on. It's still, a pretty depressing
• 45:36
  place. I think, honestly, all persons
• 45:38
  are depressing. It was very different from
• 45:41
  borstal. He wasn't the top dog anymore,
• 45:44
  and the things that had given him respect among children at
• 45:48
  the other facility, just didn't exist here.
• 45:51
  Of course, as soon as he starts at he arrives in Haney, he's
• 45:54
  picking fights and that did give some Prisoners the idea that
• 45:57
  they couldn't you know mess with him but it still wasn't
• 45:59
  anything. Like before he didn't really
• 46:01
  have a place in the prison hierarchy and people kind of
• 46:04
  just left him alone. He did rape other inmates but he
• 46:10
  couldn't control them like he had done.
• 46:12
  What the younger boys. Also in Haney, the guards were
• 46:15
  constantly on him probably because they've been told that
• 46:19
  he escaped from his last facility.
• 46:21
  Haney had a really strict schedule for everybody.
• 46:23
  That's how prison is like mealtimes, you know, but for
• 46:27
  Clifford it was actually worse. If he wasn't at work or at
• 46:34
  eating, he was confined to his cell.
• 46:39
  He wasn't allowed to like, have like the free time like
• 46:41
  everybody else had And there were plenty of instances where
• 46:45
  Clifford would try and fight the guards like physically as they
• 46:49
  were trying to put him back in his cell after an activity.
• 46:53
  This of course only makes the guards treat you worse and it's
• 46:57
  written down in your record Clifford.
• 47:00
  Just didn't like the fact that people demanded he had to be at
• 47:02
  a certain place at a certain time and I get that because
• 47:05
  that's literally prison and why everybody hates it.
• 47:10
  I'm like that's not that's me. You don't get to make the rules
• 47:13
  anymore. Well, It's good that you've
• 47:14
  never been in prison. I know a place for you.
• 47:18
  I can be pissing like what? I gotta be where what time damn.
• 47:22
  Come on. Hmm, Thank You.
• 47:27
  So eventually though, he did earn a little bit of respect
• 47:30
  from the guards, once he stopped fighting them so much and when
• 47:33
  he does that, they give him a little bit more freedom.
• 47:36
  There. He was able to start talking to
• 47:38
  some of the other prisoners and put his charismatic skills to
• 47:42
  good use. He starts listening when people
• 47:46
  are talking in groups and he just sits there and Lawrence and
• 47:52
  then he starts dropping that information to the guards about
• 47:56
  drugs that were being sold in the prison or things that were
• 47:58
  being smuggled in and of course it's one of the soon as the
• 48:01
  guards get this information they crack down on things and they
• 48:05
  were very happy to erase some of the dark marks on Clifford's
• 48:08
  record. This is a very dangerous line
• 48:13
  that he's Crossing. But the prisoners don't find out
• 48:17
  that he's the reason why things get locked down.
• 48:21
  The things are being removed from the prison that are
• 48:23
  Contraband. And within a little bit over a
• 48:26
  year, they release him on good behavior because of the
• 48:31
  snitching. Since 1959.
• 48:34
  He's 19 years old now. And as soon as he's free, he
• 48:37
  goes back to do on exactly the same stuff he was doing before.
• 48:40
  Main problem is the most of his old contacts are either in
• 48:43
  prison. Themselves are no longer in the
• 48:45
  criminal World, his fence who had a bunch of his money.
• 48:48
  I mean, at this point it's been three years so that guy was long
• 48:51
  on. He really had nothing and so he
• 48:56
  goes home and he bags Leona and Clifford for a chance and
• 49:00
  they're like, fine, you can sleep here.
• 49:02
  But they are really trust him. His brothers and sisters are
• 49:06
  kind of doing their best in school and not following in
• 49:09
  their Big Brother's footsteps. Now despite the fact that the
• 49:13
  judge said no to parole Clifford got purple.
• 49:16
  So he had some probationary conditions, one of which is that
• 49:20
  he wasn't allowed to leave British Columbia, he had to
• 49:22
  report any change of address to the police immediately.
• 49:27
  And of course, when you're on probation, despite being free,
• 49:30
  you still feel kind of confined. And coincidentally, the day that
• 49:35
  he reported moving to New Westminster into one of those
• 49:39
  crap apartments that rents out beds to people and has as many
• 49:43
  people. And as possible, pretty much
• 49:46
  illegal housing. But that's what he moved to the
• 49:48
  police, showed up that day because there had been
• 49:50
  burglaries and New Westminster, Very quickly.
• 49:55
  I local pawnshop reporters, the police that some of those
• 49:57
  missing items had been Pond there.
• 49:59
  And, of course, the person who had pawned, it was Clifford
• 50:02
  Olson jr. And within weeks of being
• 50:06
  released, he is back in jail again, awaiting trial goodness.
• 50:14
  And there is none of that. Oh, he's just a young boy, he
• 50:17
  needs another chance. No court appointed attorney
• 50:20
  could not do anything for him. He's a career criminal at 19,
• 50:26
  open-and-shut 10 years. Also, they're like you're going
• 50:31
  to British Columbia Penitentiary, which is maximum
• 50:34
  security. And while Haney had not been the
• 50:36
  most Pleasant event positive place, they wanted it to be.
• 50:39
  It was Leaps and Bounds better than British Columbia.
• 50:42
  Penitentiary BCP was built in 1878.
• 50:46
  It looks like a giant foreboding Castle which is super
• 50:51
  interesting because Eastern State Penitentiary is in
• 50:54
  Philadelphia. Also looks like a giant
• 50:56
  foreboding Castle. I'm like, wow.
• 51:00
  Look for jails. At the time, the the county
• 51:04
  prison in Lancaster is, yes, yes.
• 51:08
  Looks like a giant for boating. At least the one part they've
• 51:12
  changed like the one part to make it more modern but the the
• 51:15
  intake area the front of it looks like a giant castle.
• 51:20
  Like this was very much a thing. We did in the 1800s, early 90s,
• 51:26
  interesting enough and BCPS history.
• 51:28
  There have been riots Riots in the 30s that were due to them.
• 51:31
  Not paying prisoners for their labor and it actually ended up
• 51:36
  with Canada, completely reforming, prison, labor laws
• 51:40
  because of it. Now, eventually BCP will get
• 51:43
  decommissioned in 1980 before our boy Clifford left it, it was
• 51:48
  one of the most dangerous presence in Canada mainly
• 51:51
  because of the people who were there, the guards and the
• 51:54
  inmates are in a constant battle of wills Clifford walks into an
• 51:58
  environment. That is On edge and Clifford is
• 52:02
  placed in a cell with serial rapist, Gary, Marco, Gary was
• 52:07
  known for a lot of sexual aggression, among the other
• 52:10
  prisoners, which mostly went unchecked.
• 52:13
  And so, the guards assume that Clifford is going to immediately
• 52:16
  get sexually assaulted by Gary. But something else happens, he
• 52:21
  becomes his friend and he straight up plays his roommate.
• 52:27
  Like, you know, I'm the new guy I just want to Learn what this
• 52:29
  place is like and eventually he gets Gary to confess about the
• 52:34
  rape and murder of a little girl that the police hadn't been able
• 52:37
  to attach him to. So of course he immediately
• 52:40
  Weigel's that information in front of the guards, who put him
• 52:43
  in the room with the warden and the Warrens like listen, this
• 52:47
  means nothing jailhouse. Confession means, absolutely
• 52:50
  nothing. If you can give us some evidence
• 52:55
  And we can talk about it. Got to be someone, that's it,
• 52:58
  miscible in court. So, over the next couple of
• 53:01
  months, Clifford, is just trying to maintain this friendship with
• 53:04
  Gary but also trying to push him for details.
• 53:07
  And in the end it's not his. His gift to talk that gets the
• 53:13
  confession. See BCP has a bustling illegal
• 53:17
  alcohol, ring at the time and Clifford exchanged.
• 53:20
  A couple favors with people and he got himself some Hooch and he
• 53:23
  shared it with his roommate. In fact, he gave most of it To
• 53:28
  Gary after lights out as Clifford didn't really drink
• 53:32
  that much and he coerces Gary, and to writing down a confession
• 53:38
  and signing it while he's drunk Gary passes out.
• 53:46
  And when he wakes up he expects to see Clifford.
• 53:48
  Also hung over but his soul mates not there and so he
• 53:53
  remembers this confession and rips the cell apart looking For
• 53:57
  it. He looked, he talks to the other
• 53:59
  inmates and they're all like, oh, Clifford's in solitary.
• 54:02
  We don't know why. We just woke up and he's in
• 54:05
  solitary confinement and they said he's going to be there for
• 54:08
  a really long time. The next couple of hours, the
• 54:10
  police show up and pull Gary out of prison.
• 54:12
  And they also take Clifford out and they're both held at a
• 54:16
  different location until the court date.
• 54:19
  They show up and Gary and tends to say oh he made it all up, it
• 54:23
  was a lie but Clifford gets the chance to speak first at court
• 54:27
  and he Tells the true story of what happened.
• 54:29
  He's like, listen, we both got really drunk and he admitted
• 54:31
  everything to me and I told him that it would make him feel
• 54:35
  better if he wrote it down and that, of course, you know, he
• 54:39
  had to add a little flavor to it and say, you know, I had to give
• 54:43
  this to the Warren because I just couldn't sleep in the same
• 54:45
  room as someone who did such a horrible thing to a little girl.
• 54:48
  Oh my god, of course. Yes.
• 54:50
  Gay, of course, tries to discredit Clifford on the stand
• 54:52
  and all falls flat because Gary Marco is already convicted
• 54:55
  rapist and Clifford's only Burglar, he'd never heard
• 54:59
  anybody that they know about the lawyers, try to prove that
• 55:03
  Clifford's lying, but essentially because Clifford got
• 55:06
  on the stand and admitted to committing a crime that would
• 55:09
  technically add more time, do a sentence.
• 55:11
  It made his story more credible, right?
• 55:14
  Yeah, that drinking like, tidally he admitted to something
• 55:18
  that it was a crime. Yeah, I'm definitely even if it
• 55:23
  wasn't that like in real life because I think he's tired, I
• 55:26
  don't know that. I think the age for alcohol is
• 55:29
  like, 18 in Canada, but the issue is that I don't think
• 55:32
  anywhere. You're allowed to just make your
• 55:34
  own your own Hooch. Bathroom think that violates a
• 55:39
  bunch of laws to. But either way, this changes
• 55:42
  Gary, Marcos sentence from 25 years to a full life sentence
• 55:47
  and he gets transferred to a different prison so that
• 55:50
  Clifford can go back to British Columbia.
• 55:52
  Very quietly. The warden reduces Clifford
• 55:55
  sentence. Now, he only has to do two and a
• 55:58
  half more years. He only spent like, six months
• 56:01
  in prison at this point, so it's not a bad deal and he's pretty
• 56:04
  excited about it when he gets to the prison, but then the truth
• 56:07
  of what happened begins to go around.
• 56:09
  And of course the other prisoners are like oh you're not
• 56:12
  trustworthy and they started getting pretty hostile spitting
• 56:17
  on him as he walks past the cells, pushing him in the line.
• 56:21
  Her line threatening to kill him.
• 56:24
  You sided with the police that's Unforgivable.
• 56:29
  Since Clifford is entrusted by the end mates, he couldn't get
• 56:32
  close enough to them to get the gossip to give to the guards.
• 56:35
  And without that information, the guards don't really care
• 56:37
  about him anymore. Pretty much.
• 56:39
  He realizes that he only has two and a half years left, but
• 56:43
  they're going to suck really bad.
• 56:47
  The thing that worry Clifford the most though is that there
• 56:49
  was always, this strange undercurrent of unhappiness and
• 56:53
  anger in the prison. And he was worried that when the
• 56:57
  violence happened, he was going to be on the side of people
• 57:00
  getting hurt. So, one day, there's a small
• 57:03
  prison Uprising, and I actually looked up all the prison
• 57:06
  Uprising says, wasn't considered to be big enough for them to
• 57:08
  report at. They weren't all that uncommon
• 57:12
  you know, and made throws something or gets an aggressive
• 57:15
  with a guard other people join. And answer the guards, rushed to
• 57:18
  the that special room to grab their right gear, break up the
• 57:21
  chaos and all goes back to normal.
• 57:24
  But essentially what Clifford does is when the guards rushed
• 57:27
  to the Gear room, he sort of hides in the shadows and he
• 57:32
  waits until they're all geared up and before the door can
• 57:34
  close, he slips through and walks out of the prison.
• 57:43
  Because the guards all rushed to the area where the trouble was.
• 57:48
  I guess that this wasn't one of the major riots, but it was big
• 57:51
  enough that it took them a couple days to figure out where
• 57:53
  everybody was. They usually when there's a riot
• 57:55
  though, the leaders of the Rebellion get moved taken a cord
• 58:00
  injured. Guards, injured inmates, it
• 58:03
  couldn't be fit in the infirmary.
• 58:04
  Have to go to local hospitals. Finally, after, like, two or
• 58:09
  three days, they're just like We're missing somebody.
• 58:14
  We're missing Clifford Olson. And at first, they were kind of
• 58:17
  confused because they're like, wait, there's no way you just
• 58:21
  dropped his 10-year sentence down to two, who would risk all
• 58:25
  that with an asleep Clifford was, in fact, at first, the
• 58:30
  police are like, are you sure you just didn't lose him,
• 58:32
  through paperwork. Like maybe he's at another
• 58:35
  prison and he got moved around when everybody else got moved
• 58:38
  around. And so they go and check with
• 58:41
  other facilities and finally, they're like no, he's definitely
• 58:46
  not here. They start setting up
• 58:49
  checkpoints and things but Clifford's no longer anywhere
• 58:52
  near the first night. He did sleep under the
• 58:54
  Queensboro Bridge in New Westminster who and within a
• 58:57
  couple days. He's now, front page knows they
• 59:00
  track down his family, including his siblings, who are away at
• 59:04
  different schools, has mom. Leona does a TV interview
• 59:07
  crying, just, you know, please, turn yourself and save yourself
• 59:11
  for the present time Clifford seniors on TV.
• 59:14
  Like, he knows what he's facing, he might have to serve 10 years.
• 59:17
  He doesn't give Self up. I hope they get him before.
• 59:19
  He does something really bad. He's done.
• 59:21
  Bad enough already, those two interviews.
• 59:23
  Actually, the last public interviews to the Olson family
• 59:26
  would ever make about their son covers, obviously didn't see
• 59:30
  this because he was nowhere. There was a television.
• 59:33
  He was stealing clothes and backpacks and heading into the
• 59:36
  woods. He thought the police were going
• 59:38
  to check the city's first and all of his old friends and his
• 59:42
  old haunts. But in fact, they were like, no,
• 59:45
  we're checking everywhere, including the country.
• 59:47
  Side. He was definitely clever but he
• 59:51
  didn't realize there would be dogs.
• 59:54
  And one dog in particular was named rentee and Randy.
• 59:58
  The police dog found him hiding in blackberry bushes which
• 1:00:02
  actually have a lot of thorns. So it had to have been pretty
• 1:00:04
  painful and Clifford had gotten himself.
• 1:00:07
  So stuck in the bushes, they had to physically cut him out of it,
• 1:00:11
  full of thorns, and a couple of dog bites because rentee was
• 1:00:14
  very excited. They return him back to be CP.
• 1:00:17
  Add an additional year to a sentence because of all the good
• 1:00:20
  behavior and compliance mattered more to the police than anything
• 1:00:24
  else. The guards in the warden
• 1:00:27
  actually take the blame for his Escape saying you know, it was a
• 1:00:30
  riot. He'd never been a ride before.
• 1:00:33
  He was probably just really scared and ran away from the
• 1:00:36
  violence. The prisoners are like not only
• 1:00:39
  is he friends with cops but now the cops are taking his side.
• 1:00:44
  He might as well just be a cop to him.
• 1:00:46
  Uh-huh. So of course there are now
• 1:00:49
  rumors that Clifford is getting special treatment and the only
• 1:00:52
  way that that ends with people trying to kill him Yep,
• 1:00:56
  Clifford's in a bad place. He knows that there's no way
• 1:00:59
  he's going to be able to escape like normal.
• 1:01:01
  So, one night he takes the little razor out of his out of
• 1:01:04
  his shaver and cuts his wrists. And when this does the cell
• 1:01:12
  doors open in the morning, the guides are like, wow.
• 1:01:15
  Well uh we're gonna send a doctor about an hour and they
• 1:01:19
  take him to the hospital and like when I go like listen we
• 1:01:22
  don't have anybody on site. Who can help you?
• 1:01:24
  You gotta wait here. I even like thanks the guards,
• 1:01:26
  he's like being very nice to them, they end up having to
• 1:01:30
  transfer him to a local hospital.
• 1:01:33
  And while he's in the hospital, he is of course prospecting.
• 1:01:38
  They Stitch him up and leave him alone in the hospital room.
• 1:01:41
  He steals another patients, close changes in the bathroom
• 1:01:44
  and walks out of the building. Three guards were sent to watch
• 1:01:50
  him. I don't know what they were
• 1:01:52
  doing. But he walked right by him this
• 1:01:57
  time though. Clever.
• 1:01:57
  It's like I have a plan. I'm not just going to wander
• 1:02:00
  around and hope for the best. I need to leave Canada.
• 1:02:04
  I ain't got a care of it as soon as possible to a place where I
• 1:02:06
  don't have a record. I America.
• 1:02:09
  So he's heading south and he goes Inland, avoiding major
• 1:02:12
  cities. He breaks in a rural properties
• 1:02:15
  leaving behind their valuables, but stealing things like canned,
• 1:02:17
  food and clothes and blankets and a gun.
• 1:02:20
  He didn't want to hurt anybody but he was prepared to if he had
• 1:02:22
  to unfortunately. Intelligence gets him in trouble
• 1:02:25
  again because he isn't stealing the things that you would
• 1:02:27
  normally steal. So, the police are like, that's
• 1:02:30
  got to be him. Who else is only stealing
• 1:02:33
  survival supplies and heading towards the American Border?
• 1:02:38
  The man who just escaped? Yep.
• 1:02:40
  So they put out border patrol near New Westminster.
• 1:02:43
  And for people who don't know, you can take a train right now
• 1:02:45
  from New Westminster to Seattle, it's like two hours and only
• 1:02:49
  cost you 40 bucks. It's really not that far, so
• 1:02:52
  it's not really a surprise to the police that he's trying to
• 1:02:55
  get to America. The problem is, they need to get
• 1:02:58
  to him before he is deep within America.
• 1:03:02
  Tea leaves like the woods of of the northern part of the of
• 1:03:06
  America and hits the city. They won't be able to track him
• 1:03:10
  anymore. He can just change his name and
• 1:03:12
  disappear. So clever finally gets to the
• 1:03:16
  place where he's going to try and cross the border.
• 1:03:18
  It's like a park and there's nobody there and he turns the
• 1:03:21
  corner on. There are two teenagers out for
• 1:03:23
  a walk. He's exhausted and panicked.
• 1:03:26
  And later the teenager told the police that he didn't aim the
• 1:03:28
  gun at them, but he started waving it around and screaming
• 1:03:32
  at them that they were ruining everything.
• 1:03:35
  He makes them swear that they won't tell anyone anything they
• 1:03:38
  saw and he takes off running. And of course, the first thing
• 1:03:42
  these kids do is go to the police station and tell the
• 1:03:44
  police. There's a Madman in the woods
• 1:03:46
  screaming. So, of course, the police take
• 1:03:49
  down and subscription dark-haired guy, medium-sized,
• 1:03:53
  mid-20s messy hair and they're like, oh yeah, that's him.
• 1:03:57
  And so all of border patrol are out and they swarm that park
• 1:04:00
  within minutes cliff. Here's this and he lays down on
• 1:04:04
  the floor of the form of the forest.
• 1:04:09
  It's not funny, I'm sorry. He covers himself with leave and
• 1:04:13
  he's just perfectly. Still to the point where he can
• 1:04:17
  see the feet and the legs, the police walking by him.
• 1:04:22
  And the worst thing is, he doesn't realize that the feet.
• 1:04:26
  He seeing are not Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
• 1:04:29
  These are Washington state police officers. who have been
• 1:04:32
  called out and told that there was a Canadian ex-con who had
• 1:04:35
  entered illegally, Okay. Another police dog would be the
• 1:04:44
  one who ruined Clifford's Escape.
• 1:04:47
  There you go. Pepper was named tiger.
• 1:04:51
  No mines. Uh, yeah.
• 1:04:55
  Good boy, tiger. I can only imagine what this
• 1:04:57
  looks like their police all over the area.
• 1:05:00
  And then tiger the police dog, just kind of walks up to a pile
• 1:05:03
  of leaves and begins barking at it.
• 1:05:06
  And Clifford looks at the dog's face and just kind of sits up
• 1:05:09
  and gives the side And puts his gun down, and he's like, listen,
• 1:05:13
  I know I'm a son of a bitch, but I'm not a dog killer and so they
• 1:05:16
  take him to Blaine Washington to be processed and then they
• 1:05:19
  returned him to British Columbia Penitentiary. now, interestingly
• 1:05:23
  enough after the second escape attempt, the prisoners are kind
• 1:05:27
  of like, how'd you do that? There are more escapes.
• 1:05:34
  I'm not gonna bore you with all of them just telling you the
• 1:05:36
  more interesting ones virtually any time prisoners or guards.
• 1:05:41
  Begin to trust Clifford. He destroys that trust.
• 1:05:44
  He escaped another time which I said it ascends he started to
• 1:05:48
  get that sentence removed again and honestly it look like he was
• 1:05:52
  going to stay in prison forever with this process of him,
• 1:05:55
  escaping and being put back and escaping and being put back but
• 1:05:59
  ultimately what gets him officially Released is the
• 1:06:03
  problem with having a prison that's almost 100 years old.
• 1:06:08
  It was falling apart. So after Clifford's fourth
• 1:06:12
  Escape they had to shut down one of the Wings due to structural
• 1:06:15
  damage and this wasn't just like the roof is but they were having
• 1:06:20
  roof problems. But also electrical systems that
• 1:06:23
  would fail which would leave the prisoners in complete darkness
• 1:06:27
  or the doors which is open which we also can't have the plumbing
• 1:06:30
  was constantly backing up which was being helped by the fact
• 1:06:33
  that the prisoners were sabotaging the plumbing.
• 1:06:37
  And so they decide we're going to close a couple wings.
• 1:06:41
  The one and we'll keep only the ones that are in the best shape
• 1:06:44
  and the excess prisoners can be. Some can be sent to other
• 1:06:47
  facilities or temporary placement, which you usually
• 1:06:50
  only get when your time is done or some are offered early
• 1:06:53
  release for having a good track record.
• 1:06:56
  And despite the fact that Clifford was flighty, he did
• 1:06:59
  have an exemplary prison record. So they pull a man in there.
• 1:07:04
  Like, listen, we're gonna release you, but you have to go
• 1:07:08
  to your parole officer every week and stay out of trouble.
• 1:07:11
  Which I think you know where we're going with this any time,
• 1:07:16
  he's not at the parole officers, he's out committing crime.
• 1:07:20
  Oh yeah, of course. Like I'm going to do that.
• 1:07:22
  All my wages referral officer or when they catch him this time
• 1:07:26
  they charged him with assault armed robbery breaking and
• 1:07:28
  entering and forgery. Whoa, drunk driving.
• 1:07:32
  Oh my God. And in the car that was stolen.
• 1:07:37
  He had a bunch of the other stuff he had recently stolen
• 1:07:42
  Back to ship back to British Columbia, penitentiary.
• 1:07:46
  To one of his original cells, which was a good one.
• 1:07:50
  The thing is, the guards actually loved it.
• 1:07:52
  When Clifford was back in prison because when Clifford is in
• 1:07:55
  prison, we know everything happening inside the walls of
• 1:07:58
  the prison. And so, of course, he starts
• 1:08:00
  feeding the information about all the inmates.
• 1:08:02
  The problem is the prison is now half the size that it used to
• 1:08:05
  be. And it's very small, small
• 1:08:09
  enough that people know that he was the one who was there.
• 1:08:14
  When certain information was discussed, right?
• 1:08:18
  And the death strength start coming in and the warden.
• 1:08:21
  And the guards are like this is serious, but instead of putting
• 1:08:26
  him in isolation, they offer him early release.
• 1:08:33
  You know, he's gonna run away again, right?
• 1:08:35
  Very similar to Charles Manson Clifford Olson.
• 1:08:38
  Jr. Has no idea.
• 1:08:39
  I had exist in the regular world as a regular person.
• 1:08:41
  He has at this point completely institutionalized.
• 1:08:44
  But He knows how things work in prison and he knows how to
• 1:08:52
  steal, and the police get it in their mind that they can kind of
• 1:08:56
  harness his ability to keep him out of present.
• 1:09:00
  As long as they do, he does things to keep the police happy
• 1:09:04
  as an informant. We don't care if he's doing some
• 1:09:08
  petty theft. In fact, he becomes one of the
• 1:09:11
  best, informants at the British Columbia Police have.
• 1:09:13
  At this time, he shares every detail except for the crimes
• 1:09:17
  that he's committed himself. And then sometimes he even drops
• 1:09:22
  them information about crimes where he is so that it doesn't
• 1:09:26
  look like he's on their payroll, but no charges ever seem to
• 1:09:29
  stick and he gets released every time.
• 1:09:34
  So the thing is British Columbia Police at this time, we're more
• 1:09:36
  concerned about the charges, being cleared through the
• 1:09:39
  information, they got from Clifford than what he was up to.
• 1:09:42
  And this transactional relationship actually goes on
• 1:09:44
  for a few years, but of course, there were limits So Clifford
• 1:09:49
  began to shift from crimes where he had to physically be there to
• 1:09:57
  more cons. So instead of burglaries and
• 1:10:00
  muggings now, he's working fraud and forgery.
• 1:10:04
  There were also these were all crimes more likely to give him
• 1:10:06
  money and there's less violence. At this point.
• 1:10:10
  He's broken the conditions of his parole hundreds of times, at
• 1:10:14
  least from what I calculated. Ultimately, he will have over 90
• 1:10:22
  convictions, a total of seven prison escapes out of that. 25
• 1:10:26
  year period. He spends about four years
• 1:10:28
  outside of jail, a little under 1200 days.
• 1:10:32
  I actually had it wrong in the beginning.
• 1:10:33
  I said 1500, I gave him the benefit of the doubt, actually
• 1:10:36
  twelve hundred days is like 11, something it's not, they don't
• 1:10:41
  keep putting them back in prison, they absolutely keep
• 1:10:43
  putting them back. The misdemeanors they let slide
• 1:10:46
  but you know, once you move on to the big things like fraud and
• 1:10:48
  forgery, you gotta go back for a little bit.
• 1:10:51
  Yeah, at this point, British Columbia prison is closed, but
• 1:10:56
  it's not fully decommission until 1980 but the prison is
• 1:11:00
  virtually not being used at all. So they take him to Prince
• 1:11:02
  Albert, penitentiary in Saskatchewan and Prince.
• 1:11:05
  Albert prison was a medium-security prison.
• 1:11:07
  That ended up having to increase its clearance because some of
• 1:11:11
  the inmates from BCP had been sent there.
• 1:11:13
  So you got this weird amalgamation of a prison that's
• 1:11:18
  like half high-security with like super restrictions and then
• 1:11:24
  the other half people just get to do whatever they want all the
• 1:11:27
  time. I honestly don't know if there
• 1:11:30
  are maximum security prisons at the same place, usually, even if
• 1:11:34
  they're on the same, like lat, they're normally their own
• 1:11:37
  confined spaces, right? This was together, and that's
• 1:11:40
  very weird. This place had loads of Got
• 1:11:44
  Drugs, loads of gangs, lots of Contraband and that's very weird
• 1:11:49
  for Clifford because he's used, always being on lockdown.
• 1:11:54
  So there was never any time for like gangs.
• 1:11:57
  Bonds to be formed at BCP because they were never allowed
• 1:12:02
  to be that alone with each other for very long.
• 1:12:05
  But since people at Prince, Albert had all this free time.
• 1:12:09
  They socialized. Found Mutual reasons to hate
• 1:12:11
  each other. Clifford, just the norm, you
• 1:12:15
  know, starts contacting the guards, makes the Warren has new
• 1:12:17
  best friend offers to give them information for early parole,
• 1:12:21
  and he kinds of settles into his social hierarchy.
• 1:12:23
  At this prison, the gangs are willing to talk to him.
• 1:12:26
  But since he won't declare that, he's a member of any gang.
• 1:12:29
  That means they get tired of him pretty quickly and kind of kick
• 1:12:31
  them out and kind of put him in a place where he can't do what
• 1:12:35
  he's good at because he needs to see the crimes in order to be
• 1:12:38
  able to mark. So he can't get in good with the
• 1:12:40
  gangs he does. Watching the prisoners and
• 1:12:43
  places where the guards don't allow don't always watch.
• 1:12:47
  And when his first month, he gives the warden a list of all
• 1:12:50
  the drug carriers in the prison and he goes back to gen pop and
• 1:12:54
  the guards rush in and start knocking people to the ground
• 1:12:56
  and ripping their clothes apart and throws people.
• 1:12:59
  This throws, the whole prison to a rep uproar because the addicts
• 1:13:02
  don't have their supply and the gangs make all their money off
• 1:13:05
  the attics and everybody shuts down ranks, trying to figure out
• 1:13:08
  who the leak is Clifford. Doesn't realize his mistake,
• 1:13:10
  until it's too late. In a low-security prison, there
• 1:13:14
  are places that guards do not patrol all the time.
• 1:13:17
  And those places are very dangerous for people like
• 1:13:21
  Clifford great. That's the stool pigeons.
• 1:13:25
  There's no way that a prison has this kind of drug operation in a
• 1:13:27
  Contraband operation. And there aren't guards who were
• 1:13:30
  in on it and those cards gave Clifford's name to the gangs and
• 1:13:36
  the Gang. Cornered him one day and we're
• 1:13:38
  like, it was you and Clifford was stabbed seven times.
• 1:13:42
  And it wasn't so much that the stabbings weren't meant to kill
• 1:13:45
  him. The fecal covered blades.
• 1:13:48
  However, Were Meant to the, the infection was meant to kill him
• 1:13:53
  and he actually ended up in the hospital for several months.
• 1:13:55
  He had multiple serious infections, and then secondary
• 1:13:57
  infections, just stocked full of painkillers antibiotics, pretty
• 1:14:02
  much. By the time he was healthy
• 1:14:03
  enough to go back into the prison population.
• 1:14:05
  His parole was up again and the warden was just like, listen, he
• 1:14:09
  helped get the drugs out of our prison and And honestly if he
• 1:14:14
  goes back they're probably going to kill him this time.
• 1:14:16
  Oh yeah definitely. So they said I'm lost again but
• 1:14:20
  this time Clifford is 35 years old.
• 1:14:23
  It's by 1975 and he finds himself relying.
• 1:14:26
  Very heavily on drugs. He knows he needs to kick the
• 1:14:29
  habit but he's really not ready to honestly.
• 1:14:32
  He slips up a couple more times, does a couple more bids in
• 1:14:35
  prison. Most of his white collar crimes.
• 1:14:38
  He never gets a conviction for. But in a pinch, he burglarized
• 1:14:41
  has a home Police know it's him. They go pick him up.
• 1:14:44
  He does a couple more months. He ends up back at Prince
• 1:14:48
  Albert, penitentiary. And he escapes after only having
• 1:14:55
  been gone for a few weeks at this point, he knows the prison
• 1:14:59
  backward and forward, by the time, the guards realize he
• 1:15:02
  isn't in the Mac security side. He's already outside of
• 1:15:05
  Saskatchewan. He ends up heading to Richmond.
• 1:15:08
  I'm sorry. He has no friends.
• 1:15:09
  No connections and not much money, but he does steal a
• 1:15:15
  little bit. He runs a whole little apartment
• 1:15:17
  and the new Serie Village Apartments on King George
• 1:15:19
  Highway in August of Team 80. At 40 years old, he's never
• 1:15:26
  lived by himself ever, he gets odd jobs, very easy to hop on a
• 1:15:32
  labor construction site, sometimes he works as a gardener
• 1:15:37
  plumber, worked on heating. He would pretty much post on the
• 1:15:41
  local community boards that he was a handyman and a church
• 1:15:44
  catches his eye. Which is the people's Gospel
• 1:15:48
  Church in Surrey and he walks in and he meets a woman named Joan
• 1:15:52
  Hale and he begs her to put the ad up on the wall.
• 1:15:56
  Joan was a little bit older than him, but he definitely looked a
• 1:15:59
  lot older than she did because time and prison.
• 1:16:03
  Clifford. Notice she didn't have a wedding
• 1:16:05
  ring. I'm silly flirt a little bit.
• 1:16:11
  And John Ford it back and he's like, wait, there's a woman who
• 1:16:16
  likes me. And she agrees to put his add up
• 1:16:22
  on the little church board and they have a dinner date.
• 1:16:26
  And later that night Joan was definitely the one who had
• 1:16:32
  experience in Romance Clifford had nothing other than I guess
• 1:16:36
  normal teenage heavy petting. Things thing is Joan was
• 1:16:42
  recently divorced and even in 1980 recently, divorced wasn't
• 1:16:46
  that great of a look. He didn't tell her whole lot
• 1:16:49
  about himself he's like you know, I was a little bit in
• 1:16:51
  trouble in the past and he did get everything out of Joan
• 1:16:55
  though that he could, he be pumped for information about
• 1:16:58
  everything in her life for history.
• 1:17:00
  And a lot of people find that flattering And Jones like nobody
• 1:17:05
  ever no guy ever wants to know about all the things I'm
• 1:17:08
  thinking, but for people like me, I find that level of
• 1:17:12
  attention early to be kind of alarming.
• 1:17:17
  Because of my own experiences but also because of situations
• 1:17:20
  like this Con men. This is what they do.
• 1:17:23
  I mean we've talked we talked about this with the, you know,
• 1:17:27
  what's his name? Raymond Fernandez, the Lonely,
• 1:17:30
  Heart killer, right? And Martha.
• 1:17:33
  Like they, they probably full information, they make you feel
• 1:17:35
  great. And then they rob, you and is
• 1:17:36
  exactly what happened with the Tinder swindler and Tale As Old
• 1:17:40
  As Time. Don't give your money to men you
• 1:17:43
  just met please don't but Joan finds this flattering and
• 1:17:52
  Clifford learns that Joan had divorced her husband because he
• 1:17:54
  was an abusive alcoholic who beat her quite a lot.
• 1:17:58
  And she had received a settlement from their divorce
• 1:18:01
  and that's what she was really living off of.
• 1:18:05
  It was by no means what she had been used to, but it was good
• 1:18:07
  enough for her to live off of. I don't really feel like
• 1:18:11
  Clifford have feelings for her but I think he knew that if he
• 1:18:14
  could convince her to be with him that he could get her.
• 1:18:17
  And so he kind of pressures her to get sexual with him and then
• 1:18:21
  pressures her to move in with him or more.
• 1:18:23
  He move in with her, definitely gaslighting her into thinking,
• 1:18:28
  that she's the one who wanted sex.
• 1:18:29
  She's the one who was pursuing him, and I'm not saying she
• 1:18:33
  didn't enjoy it, Clifford, treated Joan with a level of
• 1:18:38
  respect that she was used to, this is very reminiscent of what
• 1:18:43
  happened with Gary Ridgway and and Judith and that Judah that
• 1:18:48
  come from a very Horrible relationship and Gary Ridgway
• 1:18:54
  treat her like gold. And in this way Clifford didn't
• 1:18:57
  necessarily treat Joan, like gold, but It was way better than
• 1:19:05
  her acts and just a couple of months go by and they're living
• 1:19:10
  together, living in sin as both Joan, and my mother would have
• 1:19:13
  called it. And what Clifford looked at as a
• 1:19:16
  Khan was now something he was starting to get kind of involved
• 1:19:20
  in originally, he was just going to rob her and disappear and
• 1:19:24
  take all her money and now he's like well she makes me breakfast
• 1:19:28
  and lunch and dinner and she really likes me and it's really
• 1:19:31
  nice to have somebody like you so And she's over here on her
• 1:19:36
  side, like he's so nice to me and he's really affectionate.
• 1:19:40
  And he's like, she's very agreeable and I think the modern
• 1:19:43
  guys would call that submissive. This is all so weird because all
• 1:19:47
  of Clifford's prior sexual experiences are violent.
• 1:19:50
  And he has no concept of intimacy, that isn't him being
• 1:19:54
  absolutely horrible. So now as a 40 year old man,
• 1:19:57
  he's experiencing a certain gentle kind of intimacy with
• 1:20:01
  Joan that he didn't really know what.
• 1:20:03
  As possible. And after some time, he's like
• 1:20:07
  being nice to her, not because he wants to robber, but for what
• 1:20:12
  she could give him the right. Yeah, he's still super selfish
• 1:20:15
  and he's absolutely living off of Jones money from her
• 1:20:18
  ex-husband and only working here and there whenever he feels like
• 1:20:22
  it. But, like I said, because Janet
• 1:20:24
  experience such severe abuse. She was pretty much.
• 1:20:28
  Like, this isn't great what I'm getting right now, but it's way
• 1:20:31
  better ones like. Where is it?
• 1:20:35
  Hell and basically Clifford's, it's on the floor.
• 1:20:39
  So hey better, it's honors. Not on, it's not in Hell. 84
• 1:20:45
  now, mind you Clifford starts this relationship.
• 1:20:49
  Remember, I told you, he escaped from prison a couple weeks after
• 1:20:52
  he had gotten taken back to Prince.
• 1:20:54
  Albert, he is now living with this lady in a whole different
• 1:20:58
  city, real comfortable at this point.
• 1:21:00
  And he's like, I want to explore Not in a good way though.
• 1:21:07
  Okay. I want two Double-Double back in
• 1:21:09
  crime again and no, it's not good.
• 1:21:13
  No, it's not. He's like I have my old
• 1:21:17
  apartment still, I can drop things off there and I can crash
• 1:21:20
  there if I've been drinking and he even loves Joe know that he
• 1:21:23
  has the other apartment and one day he doesn't show up with the
• 1:21:27
  rent payment and the landlord who knows, Joan is like, yo, did
• 1:21:31
  Clifford to Clifford just forget the today was rent.
• 1:21:34
  A Jones like I thought he was at the apartment and they're like,
• 1:21:38
  well where the hell is, he clever, is in jail, because a
• 1:21:43
  woman in town, just accused him of rape.
• 1:21:46
  And the police have not realized that they have wanted Clifford
• 1:21:50
  Olson on their hands. And unfortunately, they think
• 1:21:53
  that the woman is not a reliable witness and the case and
• 1:21:56
  Clifford's, like has gonna get thrown out.
• 1:21:58
  But in the meantime, he's just sitting there and prison afraid
• 1:22:01
  to call Jonah, bail them out, because who wants to explain to
• 1:22:04
  your girlfriend at the reason Why you're in prison is because
• 1:22:06
  you raped a local prostitute see while he had been enjoying a lot
• 1:22:11
  of that gentle intimacy with Joan.
• 1:22:14
  He still had real dark thoughts about sex and in his head sex
• 1:22:18
  and violence are connected. And there is a high he gets from
• 1:22:23
  being violent, and he wants to feel that high.
• 1:22:27
  So, the night of the attack, he got high on pills and goes bar
• 1:22:31
  hopping, and his victim said that he approached her at a bar.
• 1:22:34
  He was very Charming. He flashed her some cash and she
• 1:22:37
  thought they were going to have a mutual beneficial evening,
• 1:22:40
  that is until they got to the hotel and he put a belt around
• 1:22:44
  her neck and began punching her in the back and kidneys and
• 1:22:47
  beating the absolute crap out of her.
• 1:22:49
  Despite the fact that he wasn't the biggest guy.
• 1:22:51
  He did a number on this woman and then after the fact, he
• 1:22:54
  sexually assaulted her and left, her bloody and bruised on the
• 1:22:57
  floor of the motel, he later tells the police, this was
• 1:23:01
  entirely consensual And he was right.
• 1:23:06
  The police do throughout the complaint and they release him
• 1:23:09
  from prison after. He had been there for two weeks.
• 1:23:14
  Now, the entire time, he's in there.
• 1:23:19
  He is just thinking about killing this woman.
• 1:23:22
  How dare? She turned me in.
• 1:23:28
  She got me in trouble. She almost messed up my life,
• 1:23:31
  dude. Yes.
• 1:23:34
  All you. In fact he doesn't even go home.
• 1:23:37
  The Joan first, he goes to the streets and start talking to
• 1:23:40
  everybody. He knows Drug World.
• 1:23:42
  Prostitution world trying to track her down and nobody knows
• 1:23:46
  where she is. She disappeared.
• 1:23:48
  Thankfully, So he goes to Joan and he tells her a sort of
• 1:23:56
  sanitized version of what happened.
• 1:23:58
  That's woman, blamed him for something he didn't do and
• 1:24:01
  that's why he was in prison and normally Joan would have been
• 1:24:04
  pissed, but Joan thought she had been an early menopause and
• 1:24:10
  found out while he was gone that she was pregnant.
• 1:24:13
  So as soon as he walks in the door, this is everyone's swept
• 1:24:16
  up in the news, we're going to have a baby and he doesn't even
• 1:24:19
  have to explain in depth. Where he was that you start
• 1:24:25
  looking for a new home, they can have room for this baby, they're
• 1:24:28
  talking about marriage, something that they'll either of
• 1:24:31
  them had really wanted, but now they're like screw it.
• 1:24:34
  Let's do it and they set the date for May of 1981. and that's
• 1:24:41
  actually where I'm going to stop because things, take a Very dark
• 1:24:48
  turn from this point forward. This was the funnier part of his
• 1:24:53
  life with a lot of weirdness, but he began the majority of his
• 1:25:00
  crimes, take place between 1980 and 1981.
• 1:25:05
  Which means the Year we're about to discuss is pretty extensive
• 1:25:10
  and I wanted to give the victims the attention they deserve and
• 1:25:15
  not just gloss over who he killed.
• 1:25:17
  So next week is where we're going to discuss the more deadly
• 1:25:20
  things and the actual rather ridiculous resolution to all of
• 1:25:25
  this Okay. Canada did a thing that made a
• 1:25:29
  lot of people angry and regard to Clifford Olson.
• 1:25:32
  And we're going to kind of explore how that happened.
• 1:25:35
  I think Canada has done a couple of things with serial killers
• 1:25:42
  that have made a lot of people upset as well.
• 1:25:46
  Like, this isn't like the first to give you, is that Involved
• 1:25:52
  paying a serial killer to tell you where the bodies were come.
• 1:26:01
  What? What we'll learn about it next
• 1:26:04
  week. Time to move on oh my god of
• 1:26:06
  already mad at new and that's why I was like we have to get
• 1:26:10
  into how that happened because that's a big part of the story
• 1:26:14
  and it's real wild. Oh my God.
• 1:26:19
  What do you have for us today? Brian.
• 1:26:22
  Okay. Well, moving on, I guess.
• 1:26:27
  Okay, so today's tale comes to me from well means where's is a
• 1:26:36
  TV show but it came to me from my son.
• 1:26:41
  Okay. Oh, interesting.
• 1:26:42
  Yeah, so Jaden has been watching some shows on his tablet.
• 1:26:48
  Hmm. Liquor cartoons.
• 1:26:50
  Not like anything bad and, you know, he trans he not only does
• 1:26:56
  he watchin on his tablet, he watches on the TV as well.
• 1:26:59
  And I'm just sick, I'm sitting here watching this show with him
• 1:27:02
  one day and was like, yo, this show is really good because it
• 1:27:06
  has like a lot of Miss A logical stuff in it.
• 1:27:10
  Like a lot of like Legends like yeah, I'm just like this, this
• 1:27:15
  is a cool show. What's this show called?
• 1:27:17
  And it's, I don't know if you heard this before, but it's
• 1:27:21
  called Victor and Valentino and it's on Cartoon Network.
• 1:27:24
  Well, I think it was on carts, and I'm not sure if it's still
• 1:27:27
  on Cartoon Network or not. And Victor and Valentino.
• 1:27:31
  It's basically done. Give you like the little short
• 1:27:35
  synopsis that I got on ID. I am whatever.
• 1:27:40
  I am. I am DV.
• 1:27:42
  There you go. Imdb.
• 1:27:43
  Oh I know but I am too because I have an IMDb page.
• 1:27:48
  Yeah, you do. But okay, so this is the series
• 1:27:53
  follows two brothers. They're actually I think they're
• 1:27:56
  two half-brothers, but I'm not sure that they're two brothers
• 1:27:59
  and they're very opposite from each other.
• 1:28:02
  And they spend the summer with their grandma in a small town
• 1:28:05
  called Monte Macabre, okay? And it's a small mysterious
• 1:28:11
  town. Do they actually said, call it
• 1:28:13
  Macabre, or they call it McCobb. I think it's like a bright
• 1:28:16
  because I'm like, if it's a kid, the kid might say it wrong.
• 1:28:22
  And it's a small mysterious town where Miss in legends of Latin
• 1:28:27
  America, folklore, come to life. And I'm like, oh, so I get to
• 1:28:33
  let you get the watch the freaking cartoon about like,
• 1:28:36
  Latin American myths and stuff like that.
• 1:28:39
  That's awesome. It's definitely don't cover La
• 1:28:42
  Llorona though, because that would be terrifying for
• 1:28:44
  children. Look here.
• 1:28:47
  They do. They cover some free stuff too?
• 1:28:51
  Yeah, there is also concern and one, the one episode I was
• 1:28:55
  watching. So they try to make this corn
• 1:28:59
  maze, right? And they try to make a haunted
• 1:29:01
  corn maze but it's not scary, of course.
• 1:29:03
  So there one creepy friend, she's like, hey, I know this guy
• 1:29:09
  who make this corner, he's extra scary for you for everybody and
• 1:29:13
  so they go and find this guy. He's a skeleton type of guy, he
• 1:29:17
  wears like this big old like I don't know, like a wheat hat and
• 1:29:25
  he's scarecrow sort of, and he basically is a bonus dealer, he
• 1:29:34
  steals clothes, and they showed us in the episode of him
• 1:29:39
  stealing, everybody's Bloom. Absolutely.
• 1:29:46
  So this is who I am talking about today and his name.
• 1:29:51
  Stealer is actually the whistle man, but it's is, his name is
• 1:29:58
  actually else upon whistling, man, and cool.
• 1:30:05
  Yeah, yeah, I loved it, and I was like, I gotta talk about, I
• 1:30:08
  got it, talk about this. So this comes with a creepypasta
• 1:30:14
  story attached to it, so I'm going to do that first and then
• 1:30:18
  we'll go more into A creepypasta that's about is this like
• 1:30:24
  Slenderman, but Latin America. They come up with Slender Man.
• 1:30:31
  First, this is a hotel, so I'm going to say, yes.
• 1:30:35
  Hmm. All right, so I'm gonna start
• 1:30:38
  with the Creepypasta, Elsa bone, the man who whistles, that's
• 1:30:43
  actually what it means. Okay, I like it.
• 1:30:47
  When I was a little kid, my mother would tell me about Elsa
• 1:30:50
  Bond or the man who whistles in English.
• 1:30:53
  The legend of else upon varies from person to person.
• 1:30:56
  But this is the version I grew up with and personally Lee the
• 1:30:59
  one I find most frightening. So there was once a boy who
• 1:31:04
  lived happily with his mother and father, and grandfather and
• 1:31:08
  lows, I know it's gonna stumble this llanos.
• 1:31:16
  I'm going to say that a region in Venezuela who else is too
• 1:31:20
  loud. Hells.
• 1:31:21
  Yeah. Janos giannios most of the Y
• 1:31:25
  sound, just like Jay and a why? Somebody correct me please.
• 1:31:33
  Anyway it's a region in Venice. Yeah, Janos.
• 1:31:37
  Yeah. That sounds good actually won in
• 1:31:39
  both Colombia and Venezuela. That's confusing.
• 1:31:42
  Well, I guess the same place this tail actually takes place.
• 1:31:46
  Like the the Elsa Bond. His Legend takes place in
• 1:31:52
  Venezuela and Colombia, so I'm going to say yes, maybe.
• 1:31:55
  Yeah, I'm okay, this is it vast tropical grassland plane to the
• 1:31:59
  east of the Andes. It's in both, Colombia and
• 1:32:02
  Venezuela, I guess it crosses the country line.
• 1:32:07
  Interesting. I love him so much today.
• 1:32:11
  They live the simple life of farming.
• 1:32:14
  However, the boy is a parents raised was it looked very
• 1:32:19
  spoiled. He would not eat certain foods
• 1:32:23
  and would cry out until his parents pleased him.
• 1:32:25
  One day, the boy asked his father to hunt deer for them to
• 1:32:29
  eat as the deer was his favorite.
• 1:32:32
  The Falls are decided to please his son and hunted deer for him
• 1:32:35
  to eat. Sadly, after hours of searching,
• 1:32:39
  he failed to return with anything ever.
• 1:32:43
  So hungry upon, seeing that his father had returned
• 1:32:46
  empty-handed. He took his father's hunting
• 1:32:49
  knife and killed him with it. Oh my God.
• 1:32:53
  At that moment. The mother and the grandfather
• 1:32:56
  rust outside, only to find a boy standing over his boss.
• 1:33:00
  His father's corpse as a mother cried for her husband, the
• 1:33:04
  grandfather took it upon themselves to punish the boy.
• 1:33:07
  First, he tied, the boy to a tree and with a whip, he struck
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  his back repeatedly until he bled, then he would squeeze
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  lemons on his back and finally slaves.
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  Yeah. Finally, he gave him a sack
• 1:33:31
  filled with his father's remains, and cast him away into
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  the planes, to carry them. As he's has he as he was set, As
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  he as his grandfather, sent the dogs after the child.
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  But before he ever all your Dad's remains at the dog,
• 1:33:51
  obviously, obviously didn't care about him that much.
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  Right? Yeah.
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  But before he unleashed the dogs, as the boy walked away his
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  grandfather, cursed him. Wow.
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  Only I'm gonna try it. I'm gonna do it.
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  I'm gonna do it. Says Sol no se Le sale.
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  A Ha say a su Padre. Maldito is maldito is a towel La
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  Vida. Probably could have found
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  somebody on YouTube and just played that.
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  Yeah, I know but I wanted to do it.
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  Okay, okay gotta work on your pronunciation sir I really do.
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  I really like the best for Spanish either.
• 1:34:38
  I've made some really bad blenders when it comes to
• 1:34:40
  Spanish and I Should know better because I took years and years
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  of Spanish. And it basically translates to
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  you should not have done that to your father, you will be damned
• 1:34:52
  for the rest of your life. Is Grandfather, yellowed?
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  As he released his grip on the ropes and freed the dogs.
• 1:35:02
  As the dogs chased him the boy whistled and a very distinct
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  manner following the that's traditional musical scale, do re
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  me fa so la ti bosola. See do or c, d e, f g.
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  A b c. Wait.
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  It's so it was Spurs. Do do do do do do do do like
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  really. Yes works.
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  Yeah that's the whispered. That's not scary.
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  That's the whistle. Yeah.
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  Well I mean, any sort of sounds in the wilderness are
• 1:35:36
  frightening to be fair. Yeah, like if you hear a
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  whistling in the woods like that, I would be it would be
• 1:35:41
  very odd to me as someone who spent years in Porous to hear.
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  Someone singing scales and walking through the woods, I'm
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  like true, our choir member lost This, he whistled until the dogs
• 1:36:00
  come often finally caught up to him.
• 1:36:02
  And so the boy was cursed left, wandering the plains bringing
• 1:36:06
  death to anyone whom he may happen to cross.
• 1:36:10
  Unlike other urban legends of my country Elsa bond does not
• 1:36:17
  prefer. Sue is like I cannot talk
• 1:36:21
  specific brand of victims. He is regarded as As an omen of
• 1:36:26
  death, for anyone who wanders, the planes at night, he would
• 1:36:30
  follow his victims first from afar until gradually catching up
• 1:36:35
  to them. He is tricky 4 for 4, at Firs.
• 1:36:39
  You were here, his whistling coming, very close prompting you
• 1:36:44
  to run away and as you hear the whistling Fading Into distance
• 1:36:48
  you feel relief and you think that means you're safe but in
• 1:36:53
  reality The first is our whistle, the closer.
• 1:36:57
  He is, he will have. It's like, he's like goes who
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  cares. Ha ha ha.
• 1:37:08
  He will have an old farming hat. He will be very skinny.
• 1:37:13
  But what will set him apart is that he will be carrying a large
• 1:37:17
  sack, which clicks and Clacks, as he walks some say that Side
• 1:37:25
  to side or the bones of his latest victims, but more likely
• 1:37:29
  they are the bones of his father.
• 1:37:31
  He is destined to carry them forever.
• 1:37:36
  And that is the Creepypasta. Love it.
• 1:37:39
  Sino did he say, where he learned that story from that
• 1:37:42
  person? Yeah, it was is a think it was.
• 1:37:45
  His his mother. His mother told us is like, why
• 1:37:48
  do our parents is this Catholic thing?
• 1:37:51
  They tell stories to scare the shit out of us like and it's
• 1:37:55
  always real terrible. Hmm.
• 1:37:59
  Like obviously I've talked about my, my grandmother telling me
• 1:38:03
  about the humanoid Creature in the woods that pretends to look
• 1:38:09
  like you and also sometimes looks like animals and mimics
• 1:38:14
  people and so if you hear somebody outside that sounds
• 1:38:17
  like somebody you think it is it's probably not them.
• 1:38:22
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:38:24
  I'm like why do parent why are y'all doing this to your
• 1:38:27
  children? This is terrible.
• 1:38:30
  Just because just because, but yeah like like we mentioned
• 1:38:38
  earlier that this does come from like the Venezuelan and
• 1:38:42
  Colombian folklore since there's some that we're cool.
• 1:38:46
  Yeah, it's like right on the plains of Illustrated planes,
• 1:38:50
  there are two other versions of this story.
• 1:38:54
  Oh yeah. Like the first one that when I
• 1:38:58
  told you it was like one of the first versions.
• 1:39:00
  And then the second one is that, I mean, it has the same thing as
• 1:39:06
  a boy, I wanted to eat something in his dad.
• 1:39:09
  You know came back empty-handed hunting and then the kid got
• 1:39:13
  angry and killed his dad but he killed his dad.
• 1:39:19
  And then he brought no one like his parents.
• 1:39:21
  His mother in the grandfather, didn't see this.
• 1:39:24
  So he just brought his dad's. Oregon's to be cooked and later
• 1:39:31
  on his mom found out, that it wasn't an animal and that's when
• 1:39:35
  the grandfather tied him to a tree.
• 1:39:36
  And the rest of the story is basically the same and the third
• 1:39:42
  one Okay, so the boy can read it.
• 1:39:55
  The boy becoming before, becoming to whistle man was a
• 1:39:58
  temperamental, young boy who had everything he wanted.
• 1:40:02
  And one day, he went hunting in the plains with his father.
• 1:40:07
  Well, they were walking a Tristan Twisted tree stepped in
• 1:40:11
  their way. The boy asked his father to
• 1:40:14
  straighten it out, but the father It.
• 1:40:16
  No, it's just a twisted tree, never straightens.
• 1:40:20
  You know that after that the boy told his father, if you always
• 1:40:25
  knew it, why did you let me grow that?
• 1:40:27
  The way I am like a twisted tree.
• 1:40:31
  Now, I will never be able to change the way I am and it's
• 1:40:34
  your fault. Okay.
• 1:40:37
  Then the boy killed his father brought back.
• 1:40:41
  You know, his father's stuff and gave it to his mother to cook.
• 1:40:49
  My mother found out is that it was an animal.
• 1:40:54
  So she talked her father-in-law and, you know, that story's the
• 1:40:57
  same as okay, I know. Alright.
• 1:41:00
  And that's how it ends, everything, everything ends, the
• 1:41:03
  same with their grandfather or tie them up to a tree and
• 1:41:05
  whipped his back. And he has to carry a sack of
• 1:41:07
  his father's remains. Okay.
• 1:41:12
  So the legend says that he became a Dream Eater told It was
• 1:41:18
  long legs who is seen during dry season at the top of the trees
• 1:41:23
  playing with dust and it during the raining season seasons.
• 1:41:34
  Like, around the months of May at any time anywhere roaming,
• 1:41:37
  he's seen roaming with a thirst for vengeance, hunting drunk.
• 1:41:43
  Like his main victims are drunk men.
• 1:41:48
  He hits, he hits them with a stick until he kills them sucks.
• 1:41:54
  Her belly button sucks, on your belly button to extract the
• 1:41:59
  alcohol from their bodies and then he eats the rest of them.
• 1:42:04
  Leaving like just bones left and then all while he's whistling
• 1:42:09
  his scales. He does it, he does it ascending
• 1:42:14
  and he does a descending. So he uses here to the scales
• 1:42:18
  going up and down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is so
• 1:42:27
  weird. I'm sorry, it's so weird.
• 1:42:32
  I can't get past the fact that it's just so weird.
• 1:42:38
  Oh goodness. But yeah.
• 1:42:41
  Is so if you hear the whistling and is close by that means he's
• 1:42:44
  far away. But if you hear far away, that
• 1:42:47
  means he's really close to you and you should fucking run.
• 1:42:52
  Yeah, I don't know how you move in that situation again.
• 1:42:54
  Like you're screwed and you should just like, sit down and
• 1:42:57
  cry, sit down, just wait for it to get far away.
• 1:43:00
  So he he gets to you. It's about right?
• 1:43:04
  It's a feels, yeah. So a Venezuelan poet and writer.
• 1:43:11
  His name is got these names. I'm sorry.
• 1:43:16
  His name is Tomas. 0 Del gado gado, gado gado and he was the
• 1:43:28
  first one to write the story of the whistle man and he wrote his
• 1:43:34
  back in 1966 and he I guess he, yeah, I guess he recorded it in
• 1:43:40
  1967 and the record if broadcasted all over the country
• 1:43:44
  on the radio. Yeah.
• 1:43:47
  So, and this was in Venezuela. Where is where it's like, the
• 1:43:50
  legend became famous. He the muscle.
• 1:43:57
  He's like, no, I've heard this. This guy before, I've heard
• 1:44:02
  someone like whistling and die. Yes.
• 1:44:08
  You know why? There's there's one weakness of
• 1:44:12
  else upon and that is the sound of dogs barking with that.
• 1:44:24
  If he if he because you know since that was like his demise
• 1:44:27
  was having the dogs chase after him.
• 1:44:32
  Yeah, he's scared of dogs, especially dogs barking at him.
• 1:44:36
  Okay. Okay, I like that.
• 1:44:38
  So, the ma. So he's like, this is how I
• 1:44:41
  survived because there were dogs around a soccer ball barking and
• 1:44:46
  he just, you know, I was a bond ran away.
• 1:44:50
  These count, I don't know, because they do like a little
• 1:44:54
  yet bark. I don't know.
• 1:45:01
  But she's trying to survive here.
• 1:45:04
  Yeah. So this is, I'm going to give
• 1:45:09
  you like, the little poem that he wrote says, one fateful night
• 1:45:14
  in and develops with Venezuelan planes and enraged.
• 1:45:18
  Father, at least a true tragedy. Father, I've told you not to
• 1:45:22
  bring that whore into the family is a different tale already.
• 1:45:27
  This is a different tale already.
• 1:45:30
  Whoa. oh, Okay. Talking.
• 1:45:42
  Is this Grandpa? I'm pretty sure is Grandpa
• 1:45:45
  Grandpa. It's not her fault that they
• 1:45:47
  gave birth to a devil. Child, you're right.
• 1:45:51
  It's your genes to and obviously since you can curse people, you
• 1:45:54
  got the abilities in the family. This is true like father like
• 1:46:00
  son, the young man couldn't change contain his rage.
• 1:46:03
  And so he hid his father A bit of his own medicine when the
• 1:46:11
  boy's grandfather found out what happened.
• 1:46:13
  Oh no. So it was the dad, apparently,
• 1:46:15
  this is a different story. He brought somebody home, who he
• 1:46:17
  wasn't supposed to decayed did and then the father got upset,
• 1:46:22
  and then the young man killed. His dad and his grandfather
• 1:46:28
  found out what happened. He punished him.
• 1:46:31
  Like, people used to used to punish he cursed him to wander.
• 1:46:35
  Without rest for all eternity and handed him over to the dogs
• 1:46:39
  so they could finish him off. The story does not end there,
• 1:46:43
  the boy revived and he continued to wander the sabana carrying
• 1:46:48
  his father's remains in the bag, murdering women izing went,
• 1:46:53
  women, Rising men, always whistling his infernal, mentally
• 1:46:58
  Melody. When you hear it close by, he's
• 1:47:01
  far away, and when you hear it far away, It's close to this
• 1:47:06
  day, it continues to happen in the Venezuelan Plains.
• 1:47:11
  So yeah, he attacks drunk men and women eyes others as well.
• 1:47:20
  Womanizers. Womanizers, interesting.
• 1:47:24
  Yeah. And like, that's basically it
• 1:47:29
  was like and on a TV show. He's a skinny skeleton guy,
• 1:47:37
  right? And he basically just Stills,
• 1:47:41
  the bones like he was still your bones.
• 1:47:43
  All your bones he'll whistle and like use magic to take all the
• 1:47:48
  bones out of your body. And just put them in his sack.
• 1:47:55
  And like I guess he had like some type of whistle contest at
• 1:47:59
  the end you know, because it's a kid show.
• 1:48:01
  So at an episode we like make this like whistle contest and
• 1:48:08
  it's a win, all the bones back from everybody.
• 1:48:17
  But yeah, like this is what happens, he takes bones of
• 1:48:20
  womanizers and drunk people and he just puts them in a sack.
• 1:48:25
  Hmm. And if you hear him whistling,
• 1:48:27
  don't be around to hear him whistling anymore.
• 1:48:30
  I don't know. But yeah, I don't like this.
• 1:48:34
  It was just a a he's a very interesting person in.
• 1:48:38
  Like, in this folklore, like, it just caught my eyes and like I
• 1:48:44
  can show you a picture. Like if you all right, I will
• 1:48:48
  show you a picture of the one that the original, the original
• 1:48:55
  artist did. The original poet.
• 1:49:00
  I should say and save & send and Discord because yeah, That's
• 1:49:10
  where I send all my creepy. It's looking at our stream of
• 1:49:16
  weird photos using weirdo. Cryptids left and right weirdo.
• 1:49:25
  Thick boys. We're here.
• 1:49:43
  The way things saved under you go, okay.
• 1:49:45
  To my computer. There you go.
• 1:49:49
  Look at this guy. He's a skinny guy running around
• 1:49:58
  with shorts on, hairy legs, gaunt face.
• 1:50:04
  He has carrying a sack that you can see bone sticking out of the
• 1:50:06
  back. Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:50:16
  All right. All right.
• 1:50:22
  Well that's that's who I got for today.
• 1:50:29
  Hope you all enjoyed it. That that was a time.
• 1:50:32
  Yeah. It's great to be back.
• 1:50:43
  Yeah, and listen had so much fun today in a strange way.
• 1:50:46
  I know some people don't like funny, True Crime podcast.
• 1:50:50
  I try to temper the the seriousness of a little bit of
• 1:50:53
  humor here and there but thanks so much for listening.
• 1:50:56
  If you're still here I am actually going to put the thick
• 1:51:03
  dudes back up on the limited sale for people who are
• 1:51:07
  interested because So, the first to both the a Squatch and
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• 1:51:21
  stickers, and other fun things. At one Killers.
• 1:51:24
  Get caught dot shop, So that hopefully by the Fall, we will
• 1:51:28
  have a new thick did ready for you all.
• 1:51:31
  Oh, yes we will. We'll have more believe me.
• 1:51:37
  I've been getting questions. Like, when are you going to
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  order another one? Yes, believe me.
• 1:51:45
  I got y'all nice. I'll be ready next week with the
• 1:51:51
  rest of the ridiculous story of Clifford Olsen.
• 1:51:55
  Yes. The weekend.
• 1:51:58
  See you.