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From “No Scrubs” to Real Power: How Kandi Burruss Won by Lifting Others · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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  Speaker 1: No one has all the answers, but when we ask
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  Speaker 1: the right questions, we get a little closer, closer to truths,
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  Speaker 1: closer to each other, even closer to ourselves. I'm journalist
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  Speaker 1: Danielle Robe, and each week, my guests and I come
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  Speaker 1: together to challenge the status quo and our own ways
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  Speaker 1: of thinking by daring to ask what if, why not?
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  Speaker 1: And who says so? Come curious, dig deep, and join
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  Speaker 1: the conversation. It's time to question everything. If you grew
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  Speaker 1: up anywhere near a radio, you've lived inside Candy Buris's work.
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  Speaker 1: Her pen has scored weddings, breakups, kitchen dances, girls' nights,
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  Speaker 1: car rides with the windows down, the amount of times
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  Speaker 1: I've belted out, don't think I'm not in my car
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  Speaker 1: or my bedroom.
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  Speaker 2: Don't stop.
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  Speaker 1: Most people first saw her in the nineties she popped
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  Speaker 1: off with her high school friends turned global group Escape.
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  Speaker 1: But even then she wasn't just the voice. She was
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  Speaker 1: writing the music, the architect behind the hook. She went
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  Speaker 1: on to write Destiny's Child's Bills, Bill's Bills and Bugaboo Pinks.
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  Speaker 1: There You Go records for in Sync, Aliyah, Casey, and Jojo.
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  Speaker 1: Her music gets sampled by Ariana Grande and Ed Sheeran
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  Speaker 1: decades later, Because well, I think culture remembers a hook
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  Speaker 1: that tells the truth. And then there's the version of Candy.
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  Speaker 1: People think they know, the reality star with the very
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  Speaker 1: memorable catchphrases and facial expressions fourteen seasons on the Real
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  Speaker 1: Housewives of Atlanta. And while most people leave reality television louder,
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  Speaker 1: I think Candy left clear. As I was talking to her,
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  Speaker 1: it felt like she almost always had a second set
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  Speaker 1: of hands on her own life. She's been the voice
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  Speaker 1: on the song, the pen behind the hook, the producer
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  Speaker 1: behind the curtain, the business woman structuring the deal. If
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  Speaker 1: she's in a room, she's clocking how it works and
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  Speaker 1: then quietly figuring out how to build her own version
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  Speaker 1: of it. She doesn't just show up in culture, she
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  Speaker 1: builds it, and she lives like tomorrow is already on
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  Speaker 1: the calendar.
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  Speaker 2: Used to bees don't make no honey, So don't nobody
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  Speaker 2: care what you used to.
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  Speaker 3: Be Like, I don't care what you did yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care what you did ten years ago, five
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  Speaker 2: years ago, or back in the day. I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: Is all about right now.
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  Speaker 3: We're on your next move. While you're in your current moves.
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  Speaker 1: That instinct I think comes from history, personal, industry, family.
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  Speaker 1: You'll hear about it in this conversation. But there's something
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  Speaker 1: else she carries that doesn't show up on a resume.
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  Speaker 1: It's the weight of being the engine, the one people
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  Speaker 1: come to and rely on, the one who doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: to borrow because she built. And she made a promise
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  Speaker 1: early on.
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  Speaker 2: One thing that I always used to brave, from the
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  Speaker 2: time I was younger to even now. It's like, God,
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  Speaker 2: I'll promise it, you give it to me. I promise
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna share it, whether it's financially or opportunity wise.
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  Speaker 2: I'm always trying to put on everybody in my circle,
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  Speaker 2: me and go. I got it packed, He continues the blessing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna continue to make sure I'm using whatever I
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  Speaker 2: have and whatever avenues I have.
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  Speaker 3: To make sure I'm sharing it amongst.
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  Speaker 2: The people, and of course the people as closest to me.
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  Speaker 2: I want to definitely make sure they're good.
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  Speaker 1: And she has even when it wasn't convenient, even when
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  Speaker 1: generosity cost her. But now she's in a chapter that
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  Speaker 1: she didn't script. She left the franchise that made her
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  Speaker 1: a household name. She's breaking Broadway records as a producer,
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  Speaker 1: deep diving into acting, and reframing her family life while
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  Speaker 1: navigating divorce. She said it plainly, life is lifing. Candy
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  Speaker 1: has had a spotlight on her for so long that
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  Speaker 1: I think so many people see her work ethic or
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  Speaker 1: the time. But you know, I wanted the story underneath that.
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  Speaker 1: What happens when a woman who has spent her entire
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  Speaker 1: life standing on business decides that she wants to return
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  Speaker 1: to the creative space that made her her? Is she
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  Speaker 1: coming home to herself or starting something brand new? And
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  Speaker 1: what does that feel like? And in a season where
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  Speaker 1: everything does feel brand new? Career, love, family, what do
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  Speaker 1: you keep and what do you finally let go of?
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  Speaker 1: It's time to question everything with Candy Burris. Candy, you
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  Speaker 1: are an Atlanta girl, yes, period born and raised. But
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  Speaker 1: you spent a lot of time in my hometown, Chicago.
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  Speaker 2: Well when I'm filming the Shy, well, I'm not filming
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  Speaker 2: this year, but yeah, I was on there for some seasons.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember how many, but I was there for
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  Speaker 2: a while. How did my city treat you? I love you.
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  Speaker 2: I would say Chicago has the best restaurants.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Yes, I'm actually surprised you said
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  Speaker 1: that because Atlanta's known for food too.
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  Speaker 2: I think so, but I don't know Chicago's. It seems
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  Speaker 2: like y'all got us beat with the restaurants, and then
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  Speaker 2: y'all have the summer thing, the food thing in the summer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the food fest. I think it's because it's so cold,
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  Speaker 1: there's like not a lot of things to do, so
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  Speaker 1: you just go eat. Yeah, there better be good food.
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  Speaker 1: What does Atlanta do better than Chicago?
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  Speaker 2: Weather? Y'all got a crazy weather out there. To me,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, whoa, your cold is? Like cold Time's ten.
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  Speaker 2: But I would definitely say weather. But I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: do like Chicago. It's a nice city. But we party
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  Speaker 2: better than y'all. I would definitely say that. It's always
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  Speaker 2: an even in Atlanta, like every day, the way you
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  Speaker 2: can have something to do every single day of the
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  Speaker 2: week if you want it to.
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  Speaker 1: Is it hard not to go out like you have
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  Speaker 1: to keep yourself inside?
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  Speaker 2: Well for me, you know, because I always can invite
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  Speaker 2: it to something and I want to support you know, now,
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying not to just be everything.
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  Speaker 1: Well you know that phrase, like she'll go to the
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  Speaker 1: opening of an envelope.
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  Speaker 2: You're not like that. No, I know a lot of people,
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  Speaker 2: so I try to support people. So I try to
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  Speaker 2: show up for people.
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  Speaker 1: That's really sweet. So you walk to from the Real
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  Speaker 1: House of Atlanta three years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Has it been three years already? Yeah? No, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's been.
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  Speaker 1: Too really okay, two years.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's been too because they've only had one
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  Speaker 2: season the air, and they filmed the season, so they're
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  Speaker 2: about the air of that second do their third?
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  Speaker 1: Do you watch?
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  Speaker 2: I was trying to why I've been then I fell
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  Speaker 2: off after like the first couple of episodes of that
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  Speaker 2: of the one season that I hadn't been on. But
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  Speaker 2: I was seeing all the clips online, so I was
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  Speaker 2: keeping up. And then plus, you know, I'm friends with Smia.
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  Speaker 2: She's telling me what happened, and somebody else tell me something.
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  Speaker 2: So I was hearing a little bit here and there,
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  Speaker 2: like I've already heard some things about the season that's
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  Speaker 2: about to come out, and I'm like, ooh, I might
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  Speaker 2: have to tune back again because they got some drama.
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  Speaker 1: I love that you'll still be a part of the
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  Speaker 1: drama even though you're out of it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean Okay, so let'st I'm not trying to be
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  Speaker 2: a part of the drama, even though somehow I was.
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  Speaker 2: They brought me up in the reunion and they were like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I guess PA was like you kid candy,
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  Speaker 2: everybody kiss geting? Whoa why is that being talked about?
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  Speaker 2: I am not there. Leave me out of it, like seriously,
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  Speaker 2: But I think it's important to continue to support the
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  Speaker 2: franchise even though I'm not there, because I was there
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  Speaker 2: for fourteen seasons. I want them to still be successful,
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  Speaker 2: Like I want Real Housewives of Atlanta to keep going
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  Speaker 2: for another fifteen years.
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  Speaker 1: I think we all do what's your favorite thing to
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  Speaker 1: do now that you don't have millions of eyeballs on
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  Speaker 1: you every single day?
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  Speaker 2: Like just chill with my kids. Got like chilling with
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  Speaker 2: the kids, doing fun stuff, going to like the kids
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  Speaker 2: jumping parks and you know all that type of stuff. Oh.
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  Speaker 2: I love going on the belt Line in Atlanta when
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  Speaker 2: the weather is good. What's up? So y'all don't have
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  Speaker 2: that in Chicago?
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  Speaker 1: No, And I'm going two weeks, so please tell me.
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  Speaker 2: So. The belt Line is like a walking path that
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  Speaker 2: they basically made all around the city. It's super cool
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  Speaker 2: because people always walk and riding bikes. It's like restaurants alongside,
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  Speaker 2: so you like the people watch and talk and just
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  Speaker 2: be out amongst the people. You know, just go to
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  Speaker 2: the beltline and walk and eat, talk, laugh.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for that. I'm taking my mom for her
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  Speaker 1: birthday in a few weeks. Oh coo, So thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I've always been curious what your final scene was like
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  Speaker 1: on Real Housewives? Do you remember what it was?
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  Speaker 2: I don't even remember.
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  Speaker 1: Did you feel emotional?
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  Speaker 2: No? Well, I mean when I filmed my final scene,
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  Speaker 2: I hadn't decided if that was going to be my
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  Speaker 2: final scene or not.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that kind of helps.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So basically I knew that my contract was up,
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  Speaker 2: and so that allowed me to have the opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: decide if I was leaving or staying because like normally
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  Speaker 2: every year, because they have more options, they can just
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  Speaker 2: pick up their option and make me have to go
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  Speaker 2: straight back to work. So that particular year, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I knew that my contract was going to be up,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, my team and they were all talking
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  Speaker 2: back and forth, you know, negotiating whether or not I
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  Speaker 2: was gonna leave or if I was gonna stay, and
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  Speaker 2: I was just like I don't know. Me and Todd
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  Speaker 2: actually had been talking about it. I was like, what
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  Speaker 2: if I just don't go back this year? And we
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  Speaker 2: were just like going back and forth in our minds, like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: what does that look like? You know, if I don't
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  Speaker 2: go back, you know, because obviously that's a cute little
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  Speaker 2: check I'm leaving. How I'm gonna make up for that check? Right?
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  Speaker 2: And you know what else do I plan to do?
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  Speaker 2: And you know, and I was just like I really
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  Speaker 2: wanted to go after more of the dreams that I had.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know, if you remember my last season
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  Speaker 2: of the show, they were kind of getting mad at
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  Speaker 2: me because I was always gone, well the girls and production,
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  Speaker 2: so the girls felt like it was a fair So
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know, if you know, I left that trip early,
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  Speaker 2: so they had a cash trip. That was Portugal, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was. Portugal was when Kenya fell and
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  Speaker 2: hurt herself and I was only there a day and
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  Speaker 2: I had to leave because I had some shows that
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  Speaker 2: I already booked would escape and I was like, it's
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  Speaker 2: not my fault, y'all, put y'all shrip on a day.
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  Speaker 2: I already had a show. I'm not canceling my show,
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  Speaker 2: so I'll come hang out with y'all. And they was like,
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  Speaker 2: you gotta at least come for a day or two.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, well I'll come for a day
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  Speaker 2: when I'm flying all the way out there to be
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  Speaker 2: there for a day and turn around and coming back
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  Speaker 2: because I got a show and it was some other
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  Speaker 2: things lest I had filmed with the Shy, I believe,
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  Speaker 2: so I was going a couple of days doing that.
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  Speaker 2: So I was always leaving them and coming back, leaving
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  Speaker 2: them and coming back, and you know, sometimes the girls
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  Speaker 2: felt like it was unfair, you know that I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: obligated in their mind to do everything that everybody else
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  Speaker 2: was doing. So people was having too much to say,
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  Speaker 2: and I get it. But at the same time, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: I know, I have dreams, I have goals, so in fairness,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, it's not gonna change. So I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I really should just go ahead, and.
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  Speaker 1: You felt it was time to go for it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because you did act a little bit early on. Was
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  Speaker 1: that like the taste it always been on your heart
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  Speaker 1: since then.
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  Speaker 2: It's been on my heart since I was in high school.
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  Speaker 2: I went to perform in art school for drama in
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  Speaker 2: musical theater, and I was in the youth on some
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  Speaker 2: of Atlanta, So it was like a dream since childhood
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  Speaker 2: that I wanted to be an actress.
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  Speaker 1: Can we talk about the performing art school though for
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  Speaker 1: a second, because this is not any performing arts school.
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  Speaker 1: This is like an incubator for ninety stars.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people don't know that. So that's
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  Speaker 2: where I met my group escaped, myself, Tamika, and Tasha,
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  Speaker 2: we all went there. Outcasts went to school, so they
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  Speaker 2: were at school at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: We were Andre and Big Boy, both of them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then Tea bos too.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So Tri Cities is actually three rival schools that
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  Speaker 2: they put together to make one school. As they were
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  Speaker 2: building the new building, I guess they had it in
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  Speaker 2: another building and she went there, I guess first, but
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  Speaker 2: before they moved to the new building.
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  Speaker 1: And that's when knowing them in high school, does it
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  Speaker 1: make sense where everybody is now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I didn't know is a little bit older
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  Speaker 2: than me, so I didn't know her when she went,
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  Speaker 2: but I.
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  Speaker 3: Remember when they were still trying to figure out their looks.
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  Speaker 2: So they came to school when they had blonde here
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  Speaker 2: and everybody was like what did they do? But they
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  Speaker 2: were like, you know, trying out things. And also my
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  Speaker 2: friend Kawan Pray, the KP they call him. He's like
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  Speaker 2: a big A and R producer, a Grammy winner as well.
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  Speaker 2: He went there at the same time. He's the one
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  Speaker 2: that like an r usher's album, an art like some
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  Speaker 2: of the best albums that came out from that time.
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  Speaker 3: You know, everybody's making music. He was a part of
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  Speaker 3: those albums.
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  Speaker 2: Keenan from Saturday Night Live, he went to Tri Cities,
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  Speaker 2: Wingo from Jacket Edge, he went to try So he
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  Speaker 2: was my classmate. We got most Talented together and I
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  Speaker 2: actually was the one who took them to Jermaine was
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  Speaker 2: managing them when they first started, So I got them
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  Speaker 2: their deal.
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  Speaker 1: You were managing them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you were already a start. Well yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: So what that happened was when I went to high
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  Speaker 2: school and we got a record deal when I was
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  Speaker 2: in the eleventh grade. So I went into my senior
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  Speaker 2: year with songs on the radio already. Okay, so I
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  Speaker 2: was school. Yeah. So basically in my senior year, I
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  Speaker 2: have pretty much had all my credits, only needed a
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  Speaker 2: couple more credits. So my teachers they worked with me.
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  Speaker 2: So when I was out of town for shows, they
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  Speaker 2: would send my work with me, and then I would
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  Speaker 2: come back to school take the test.
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  Speaker 3: So when I wasn't out of town, I went to
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  Speaker 3: school with everybody else. I was going to school just
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  Speaker 3: like all the regular, everyday kids.
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  Speaker 2: Did you feel regular? I did? And then some of
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  Speaker 2: those teachers made sure I felt regular because some of them,
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  Speaker 2: you know, was kind of trying to be extra hard
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  Speaker 2: because I missed so many Okay, my fitness teachers, she
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  Speaker 2: wanted to make me run myus for every day I
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  Speaker 2: missed school. It was like, okay, you're doing the most,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Because I missed the day
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  Speaker 2: we did CPR, I had to get a fireman to
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  Speaker 2: come and do an individual class just so I could
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  Speaker 2: pass the CPR and get that certificate. But it was
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  Speaker 2: just like okay, great. But the main class I needed
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  Speaker 2: was my history class. In like English class, I think
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  Speaker 2: I finished everything else. They wouldn't let me do the
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  Speaker 2: half day, which I was mad about that, so I
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  Speaker 2: just did performing arts in the two classes, and I
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  Speaker 2: think I had one semester of math.
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  Speaker 1: You're a person who is a true multi hyphenant and
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  Speaker 1: why that?
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  Speaker 2: Look what you're about to set me up? What's the question?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know that a lot of people can
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  Speaker 1: actually do that. Well, they say they're multi hyphenants. I
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  Speaker 1: think Tianna Taylor probably does it well, like he's great
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  Speaker 1: at it, But I don't know that I can name
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  Speaker 1: someone off the top of my head. That's like really
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  Speaker 1: doing it. And hearing your stories about high school, even
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  Speaker 1: though you were singing and in a group, you were
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  Speaker 1: thinking about business managing your friends, you were like doing
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  Speaker 1: twelve different things at once.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I started managing them the year after I graduated,
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  Speaker 2: So I started trying to write songs while I was
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  Speaker 2: still in high school. I was in the youth on
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  Speaker 2: Someone of Atlanta while I was in high school. So
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  Speaker 2: it was like a musical theater group with some of
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  Speaker 2: the people I was in the musical theater group. They
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  Speaker 2: also went to Tricity. They went on to be Tony
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  Speaker 2: nominated people as well, Saykan, shout out to you girl.
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  Speaker 2: This was a crazy high school. Yeah. When I look
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  Speaker 2: back at it, and then shout out to Keenan. He
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  Speaker 2: and I were talking about we want to do something
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  Speaker 2: that's inspired by our school, Like I haven't even named
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  Speaker 2: everybody we have producers. Can you do like the new fame.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see, We'll figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I want your version of fame. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So you've been an established name in the industry for
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  Speaker 1: so many years, and I have to imagine that switching
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  Speaker 1: gears in your forties is a little daunting or no.
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  Speaker 2: I mean switching gears as far as let me just
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  Speaker 2: say it, because right now I'm in a transformation just
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  Speaker 2: simply because like everything has changed in the last two years.
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  Speaker 2: You know, to stop doing something that you were doing
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  Speaker 2: for fourteen years, that's a major change, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean. And then you know, now I'm in the
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: middle of a divorce. That's an extreme major change. So
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: it's like right now, yeah, I'm like I'm in a
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: new phase of life where everything is about to be
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: brand new?
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Are you walking into audition rooms? Like did you have
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: to audition for a Juliet?
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: No? I did not have to audition for an Juliet
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: which was awesome, But yeah, there were conversations between my team.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: A lot of times. I send in my auditions for
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: the you know, films or television shows that I've been
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: a part. It's like I have to send in my
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: audition tapes. It's not like back in the day where
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: you have to go face to face. Like now, because
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: of what happened during the pandemic, people can send their
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: tapes in.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Or I do live auditions via zoom.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: How does it feel to be auditioning for these people
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: because in your forties, like you know yourself so well
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: now it's different than when you're sixteen and trying to
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: impress somebody.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I still feel like I'm trying to impress and
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: when I am going for a job. So I think
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: it's important for us to go into every job like
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: we're brand new, meaning like with that same grind, with
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: that same I want this job like back in the
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: day when we first started. Because I think the problem
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: with a lot of people is when they have made it,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: they start acting like they made it. That's the problem
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: in how they walk in to show respect, to show
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: the desire for what they want, all the things. It's
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: like you think people should just give it to you
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: because of what you've already done. Nobody cares. I say
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: this time and time again. My cousin said to me
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: when I was younger, she said, used to be don't
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: make no honey, So don't nobody care what you used
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: to be. Like, I don't care what you did yesterday.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I don't care what you did ten years ago, five
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: years ago, or back in the day. I don't care.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: It's all about right now. So when I come into it,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I'm coming into it with the same respect and grind
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: of somebody who is brand new to this. All of
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: the what I've accomplished is great or whatever, but it's
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: like I'm still trying to accomplish more. I'm still trying
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: to get to a goal. So you know, I'm still
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: competing against people who are younger than me, maybe more
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: talented than me, maybe all the things. But that means
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I have.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: To want it that much more, I have to work
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: that much harder.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I deeply honor that fire in you because
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many people I've interviewed who
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: simply feel a different way.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Listen, I know because I'm around those people. It's so funny.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: It's like we are in a time where things are
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: constantly changing, things are constantly different, constantly new. Like listen,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: let me tell you, because I was on Reality it
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: was very hard for me and still is sometimes hard
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: for me to break into you know, TV and film,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: even though growing up I was already doing you know,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: performing arts schools, performing ensembles and doing all the things.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: But because I started out in reality TV, a lot
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: of people in film and television looked at me. It
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: was like, em, she's a reality story, even though before
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: reality TV I was already a successful artist. Once you
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: get that stamp on your name, it's like you got
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: to do so much more to prove that. No, I'm
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: not just getting it because I'm popular, No, I'm actually
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: good at this. Like people who were in that lane
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: already looking.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Like you feel it what I used to not anymore?
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: What changed? What changed is I started doing the work,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: getting the jobs, and you have to respect once a
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: person does it and does it well, you have to
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, okay, now you're looking at me different.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Now I'm getting a different invite or different acceptance from
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: you know, my peers, who I'm glad to say they're
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: my peers, but before they probably wouldn't have considered themselves right.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: What job was the difference maker?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Do you think in TV, film and scripted I would
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: definitely say The Shy for sure. Okay, it was a
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: blessing to me to get the opportunity. So let me
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: tell you Before The Shy, a couple of years before,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: there was another show that went on to be a
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: very popular show. I actually the director, the producer, and
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: everybody had picked me for a role in the show.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I had auditioned for it. They loved me for the
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: role and all that. My agent was like, oh you
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: got it, blah blah blah. I was like, oh wow.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I'm so excited. And it was
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: on a big network, right, a respected network. Let me
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: say that it was a drama series. So I was like,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: oh my god. I was so excited.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: So I was like, what happens now?
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Like I, I was like, oh, you just have to
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: be approved by the network. But you know, they normally
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: whatever the director and the producers decide, they normally go with.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, cool. So I told my friends.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I was excited, and then the day or two, lady
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: calls me back and says that network didn't approve you.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: And I was like, what why? What happened? And he
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: said they didn't want to look like they were stunt casting.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: That hurt.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: When I tell you, I was devastated. I damn near
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Crid and he was like, no, it's gonna be okay.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: He was like, You'll get another one, and in my
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: mind I was like how, And so I'm watching. When
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: the show aired, I was like, damn, it was a
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: good show too, and everybody liked the show. I loved
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: the show, but I didn't let it get me down.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I kept auditioning, and eventually I auditioned for a different
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: role on the shot that they wanted me before, but
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: it called for me to be a recurring, which I
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: would have had to give. I forgot what they call
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: it first something to that network, but I couldn't because
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: my first right refusal. It was something basically like if
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: that network needs you that whatever other project you on,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: they already know that network has the first option whatever
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: to you or whatever. I wasn't able to give those
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: rights to that network. So I was like, oh, here
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: it is again. I'm not gonna be able. But then
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: they had a different role, which was Roslyn, and they
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: were like, well, she's not needed on set as often,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: like we could use her for this role instead, and
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: I was like amazing, And it.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Ended up I really loved playing Roslyn.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Rosslyn was adult care, thank you. So it ended up
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: working out later. But my point is it is a
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: real thing that ten years ago, being looked at as
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: a reality star as like a gift and a curse
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: because yeah, you have like a big fan base or whatever.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: But when it comes to certain networks, they don't care
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: about all that. They just want to be looked at
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: for great writing, great shows.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: They don't want to look like they blew up off
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: of hype.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like reality TV you back at all?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. It's a gift in a curse
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: because in that particular situation. Yeah, but I've had so
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: many opportunities from being a part of the Bravo family.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: It expands your fan base in a way. So I
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: just feel like it may have taken me longer in
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: this lane, but has opened so many other doors and
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: other lanes.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: What kind of main character energy are you attracted to now?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: As far as these roles, like, what are you looking for?
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I thought we were talking about in relationship.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: We could go there, but I was talking about your actors.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, we're talking about Okay, that'd be a real
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: left turns about main character energy, like what gets you excited?
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I love a good drama, you know. I love of
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: you know, something that takes you out of the box,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: you know, and a role that people wouldn't expect from me.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: So anytime is like a show and they want somebody
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: to play somebody who was a reality star. Don't even
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: call me because I don't want to play a character
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: that you already know.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Me to be, Like, it's crazy to me that you've
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: experienced this at all, because I understand the like reality
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: TV vibe and how networks who want the esteem maybe
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: wouldn't go there. But to me, you're different, Like I
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: look at you and I'm like, who would ever count
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: you out? Like you will never allow anybody to count
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: you out?
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, But I think that's been shown over
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: time though it's like ten years ago and they may
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: have still been doubt people who have doubt, you know
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe with other people, like I think it's crazy to
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: count you out.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: I think it's crazy too.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I'm glad we're on the same pitch, but.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: It is what it is. You know, you're not gonna
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: get everything you want all the time, and everything isn't
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: necessarily going to go the way you want.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: So you're doing and Juliet Now, which is a Broadway show.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: And I heard Denzel one time say that film is
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a director's medium and stage is an actors medium. And
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: in reality, I know it's real, but you still could cut,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: you could do something over. When you're on stage, there
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: is no redo.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: No redos. It's live every time, and you got to
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: bring it every time. Like the audience is a different audience.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Every show needs to feel that same feels that the
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: first audience feel earlier in the day or that they're
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: gonna feel that night. You never know who's writing that review,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: so you got to bring it every time.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Did you have to get over the reflex to redo?
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: It's very unclear on the difference because as a kid,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: like I said, I was in the youth on Summer
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: of Atlanta, it's a theater group, you know, so it's like,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I know what it is. It's live, it's time, you
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: get it. You gotta have it. But then I mean,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I guess it's similar and the same thing. When you
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: performing as a music artist, you got that live audience, yes,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: and you got to bring.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: It every time you were used to that touring? Yeah,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: can we talk about the multi hyphenet word? Okay, so
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I think some lanes people create and some lanes they're
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: just driving in. You seem like you are creating in
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: every single lane. You're not really like a passenger along
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: for the ride. Maybe a little bit on reality TV,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: but still you were like kind of a leader. Has
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: it been more about expanding a singular dream for you
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: or would you consider yourself an expert in pivoting?
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I guess I would be an expert in pivoting. I
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: think it's not in my mind that I'm trying to pivot.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: It's just something that I naturally do. Like my curiosity
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: gets the best of me every time I tell people
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: It's like the funny thing is, in every business or
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: every part of the creative space that I've been in,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I have done the talent and I've done the behind
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: the scenes. So because I'm always.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Curious to know, Okay, well how do you get to.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Do this and how does that happen? And I like
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: to have some control in my future. I don't want
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: to have to be the one that you can cut
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: and then I'm just stuck, like what am I going
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: to do. I want to be able to make the
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: decisions for me. So, for instance, the music, I started
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: out as the artist, and then I went behind the scenes,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: being a writer, producer, all the things, learning how this works.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: You know. Same thing with TV. I'm on TV as
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: you know, reality or whatever, and then I started being
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: a producer pitching shows, learning how that works. You know.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Then same thing with Broadway. I was on stage, did
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Chicago on Broadway, and then I'm like, well, I want
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: to come back a Broadway. It doesn't have to be
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: on stage, and I started learning how this works. I'm
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: still learning, but you know, it's a constant thing for me.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: What was being the highest grossing black female producer on
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: your Bengo card?
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: No, and I didn't realize I was the highest grossing
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, well that sounded good. I like that tackle.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I think you should run with that because othellow made
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that true.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, I guess you're right.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: It's a feather in your cap for real.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: That's big.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: No, you know, when we broke records with Othello, that.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Was like wild, how'd you feel? I felt amazing because
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: it was after I made the decision to leave Housewives.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: It was funny because I felt like, and I hate
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: to say this out loud, but well, for one, I
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: saw the rumors that some people were trying to say, like, oh,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: they let me go. They did not let me go
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: show Okay, they definitely was trying to send me another contract.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: But with that being said, I think not. I think.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: I know there were some people that thought I was
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: gonna fall off.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: But don't count you out.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: You should never and always know. I'm working on my
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: next move while I'm in my current move all the time.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: That is my rule of thumb. Work on your next
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: move while you're in your current move, because in order
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: to constantly have something going on and have something popping,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: you gotta be working on what's happening tomorrow. Because what
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: you worked on yesterday is what's popping today. What I
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: did a couple months ago when I was rehearsing back
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: in November, that's what I'm on stage doing right now. Okay,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: So when I come off stage, what's coming next? Well,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I can tell you what's coming next. Joe Turner was
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: coming on August Wilson. I'm producing on that. That started
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: March thirtieth. The previews, the rehearsal start next week to
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Roger Penson is doing her Broadway debut in the show,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: I can tell you what's happening next. You get what
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. So for me, it's like, I'm not gonna
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: give you an opportunity to be like, yeah, y'all, I
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: had that experience in my younger years. Never gonna do
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: it again. What do you mean? What I mean by
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: that is when my group, you know, we were all
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: invested in the group, Like I just thought, Oh, the
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: group is. You know, we're never gonna break up, you
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? My group we popped off. Our
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: first thing was a hy oh, it's all about my
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: group until when my group started falling apart. We couldn't
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: get along and we were defeating ourselves. It wasn't that
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: we never had a flop album, we never had a
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: flyop song or whatever. We couldn't get along. Therefore, the
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: group went on hiatus. So I gotta figure out how
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna pay my bills.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Were you depressed after that?
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: I was stressed the fuck out at a young age,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: mind you.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: When I was nineteen, our second album was out and
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I had bought my first house and we were on tour.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: And I found out one of my group members was
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: gonna go solo, and we were supposed to be in
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: the middle of negotiating for our third album, and we
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: thought we were gonna get this big bonus. Oh, we're
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: gonna make all this money off this because we had
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: two hit albums. Now I'm like, oh, it's tipping them
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: to pay us big this time. And then is confusion
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: going in and gave the label reasons not to give
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: us the money that we thought we were gonna get.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: And here I am like, I just bought this house.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Now I got a bill, and I didn't have anybody
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: that could afford to pay my bills.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: You were paying other people's bills.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: My point is, you nineteen years old? How am I
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: gonna continue to afford this lifestyle? My group is not
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: gonna be doing another album, or we are doing one,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: but this is gonna be the last one for a while,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: So what am I gonna do? So it put me
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: in panic mode, and then that's when I was like, oh, yeah,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: we gotta come up with another project, it's something and
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: start writing songs. And that's how the no scrubs situation
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: came about. I was telling Tiny I'm like, yo, tiny,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: we need to try to get another project. Maybe we
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: can do another album out. The group is about to
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: break up or whatever and so, and in doing so,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: we wrote these songs for ourselves. And No Scrubs was
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: one of the songs we did for ourselves, and it
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: got placed on somebody else and they opened up their
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: door for me to write all these other artists. That's crazy.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: That's how it happened. It came from stress, yeah, trying
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: to figure my life out in another way.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: But that song is the gift that keeps on giving.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: It definitely is the gift that keeps on giving in
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: so many ways. Can you imagine if you were in
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: a hit group, right, you got songs on the radio.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: I turned on the radio here, and then I turned
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: on radio. Then my song is playing on both stations.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: As a youngster, we took those things for granted. And
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I used to be like, oh, it's on again. That's
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: how we took it for granted. But then when the
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: group broke up and those songs weren't really playing that
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: much no more on the radio, and I'm not really
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: hearing us no more, and it's oh damn, like they
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: ain't really playing us you know, they ain't not really
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: checking for us right now. That feeling to have had
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: it and lose it is worse than.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Never having had it at all.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: You've had a taste, yes.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: The taste of the money, taste of you know, the popularity,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: the status, the opportunity, and then that's falling apart. That's
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: not a good feeling, you know what I mean. And
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: you're at an age where you like trying to figure
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: out life. Anyway, we were breaking up when I was
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: twenty one, so twenty one like what am I gonna do?
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Once the third album came out,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I knew we was on a hiatus, so it's.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Like, come on, right. Was it hard for you though?
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: When you were writing for all these artists and you
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: had been on all these amazing stages.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: That part was a blessing. So what I'm saying is
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: before the song started getting placed on the other artists,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: that was when I was trying to figure out what
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: am I going to do? But once the song got placed,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: and that was like a light at the end of
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: the time, then I got another opportunity to write for
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: this person, and then this person, this person, and so
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: then That showed me a whole other thing. One you
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: don't have to be the person on stage to make
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: all the money. I made more money as a songwriter
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: than I did with three platinum albums with my group,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So that was one lesson.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: The other one well, for me, being in a group
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: helped me to be a team player. I'm okay with
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: you shining because this song I wrote, this song, You
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: and the out there pushing the song, we all went it.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: So it didn't matter to me if I was the
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: one on the stage doing it or if I was
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: the one behind the scenes. As long as you know.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: I'm still a part of something great, you know what
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: And I started getting respect from my peers in a
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: way that'sn't just being in the group, which taught me
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: another lesson, Like okay, So in the group, we were
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: important to deff Regors. We was important to Columbia because
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: we are directly signed them and we helped make money
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: for them. But all those other labels, when we would
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: see them at the music Division saying the care it's like,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: oh hey, girls from Escape whatever. But after I started
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: writing songs from all those people, and I showed up
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: at music industry events. It was like all of a sudden,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: presidents of n R from this label, that label, or
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: the president of this label, and people that I didn't
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: even think knew who I was.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I would saying, it's like, Chandy, what's up.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: How you've been We need to get you know how?
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: You come over and get with our group. Oh you
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: know me? Then I started saying, you know what, the
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: president of all these companies want me to come to
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: their house. I like it better over here. That's such
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: a good lesson, is a lesson in power. If you
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: are the one that can make hits for everybody, you're
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: important to everybody. If you can make the hit.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Just for yourself, you know, you important to your fans.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: And the people that's directly that you're making money for.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: It's the golden rule.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the rule lessons. I was like, yeah, I need
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: to know how to make things happen behind the scenes,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: because now you know, I'm a resource to everybody.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: You've taken that and you've ran with it. You have restaurants,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: you have adult toys, you have candy coated beauty, you
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: have a production company, you still write music, you're on Broadway,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: you're producing shows. Tell me about a time that you
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: wanted to sit and not stand on business because you
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: are standing all of the time right now. Really, I'm
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: surprised to hear that.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, Like having all those different businesses has
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: been a stressful situation. Man. You know, now I'm getting divorced.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like doing things together is and we're
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: not on the same page, you know. I just want
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: to go back to my creative space. Oh.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I like hearing that, you know.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I want to be creative. I want to stay a
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: part of my creative projects, and especially I'm coming up
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: on my big birthday. I don't want to be stressed.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I want to enjoy life to the fullest. Yes, I
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: want to enjoy the perks and the money that I've made,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: and I want to create more things that bring me joy.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And that has to do with your creativity, because that's
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: who you are. Yes, that's really cool. How do you
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: feel when people sample your songs?
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Because I love it.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: This is a rumor.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I have no proof, but like on the internet or
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: in life, like Lauren Hill is notorious for being mad
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: at Drake for nice for what for sampling?
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I don't want to stay a why Because I'm sure
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: she got somebody publishing off this song.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Right, I think she made all the money. I don't
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: know that Drake made very much money off that song.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: So does it feel like when Arianna and Ed Sheeran
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: are sampling No Scrubs, It's like, Wow, my work has
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: stood the test of time.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, especially when they send you the clearance. Well, okay,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: so if they send you a copy of the song
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: or whatever before they put it out, then you get
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: to negotiate what percentage of the song you want. If
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: they put the song out without getting your clearance, which
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's what happened in her situation,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: then a lot of times those writers of the original
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: song will take all the publishing. Interesting, I didn't know that.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Have you ever said no to somebody?
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Actually I have said no to somebody, But I don't
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: think this song ever came out. But I had a
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: situation years ago where they didn't ask for permission first,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: and we ended up with I don't know if you remember.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Back in the day it was No Scrubs and it
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: was No Pigeons. Yes, No Pigeons went number one two,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: But we got all the money from it because they
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: didn't clear it before they put it out. They used
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: all of our melody, they used the same concept, the
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: same lyric. I mean, if they would have got permission before,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: they would have been able to get at least a
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: little bit of the publisher. But they didn't ask.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think they thought that was going to become
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the hit that it did.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody thought that, but it did. Yeah,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I'm thankful it gave me another number one and another check.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: It was good.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Well, what makes a song timeless to you?
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I personally feel like great hook and something that really relates,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Like if people can really relate to it and it's
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: like their theme for a part of their life.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's what no scrubs did, right,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Like men are continually scrubs.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Hey, you said it, I do. Yeah. It's like when
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: people can listen to a song and it reminds you
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: of a part of your life, or you can use
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: it as your theme for what you're going through, that
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: makes it timeless in my opinion.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Do you think we're gonna get some candy hits out
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: of the transformation you're going through?
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Really, I'm excited to hear that I really want a
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: album from you.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, thank you. I definitely think I should work well.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I do have some songs that I already have in
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: my vault. Then I'm like, okay, I gotta go in
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: the studio and recorder.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: So when we first met each other, your daughter Riley
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: was there with you, and she's really been following in
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: your footsteps a little bit with music and definitely reality TV.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Were you nervous at all for her to enter the
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: reality TV world?
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, I would be so nervous. Well, I'm nervous because
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: it's a difference when you know, I'm good at taking
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: the heat. I'm good at you know, people can say
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: whatever about me and I can okay, but you don't
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: want that for your kid. Like say, for instance, sometimes
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: people turn on certain reality stars wheah, everybody hates them
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: and it's putting hate mil or hate tweets or whatever.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: She didn't have that experience went first season. She got
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: a lot of support from the fans. She also handled
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: herself really well well, thank you, even though she did
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: have some drama on the show, but she had a
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: lot of support from the fans. I'm just hoping she
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: know me on there acting crazy on this new season.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: The only moment that I was really curious about with you,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: and it could have been exaggerated for TV, was when
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: she spent all that money on the table. I know
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: that you've been very successful, but I know how hard
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: you work, and you must have been so mad.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The one thing that I feel that I did
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: not do a good job on is showing her how
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: to respect money. You know what I mean, Like, I
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: feel like I have spoiled her. Okay, why I mean,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I guess you know, it's a double edged sword being
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: a working mom, and I see this in myself and
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: some of my other friends who work a lot in
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: their different fields. You know, you tend to overcompensate in
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: other areas. I didn't get to pick you up from school,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: so you know, my baby sitter picked you up from school.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: But I was there for all events and I did
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: all of this and gonna do it big for the holidays.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: We're gonna do this and we're doing that.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: But you know, if I miss anything little, it's like, Okay,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: let me get her this, let me do that.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: And you know, you SI know how to play on you.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: You know, like Riley is good at being like well
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: my mental health is I need a two bedroom because
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: how do I fall for this every time? I don't know.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: But you know, she is smart, she's intelligent. She's very
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: capable of a lot of things. I didn't go to
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: college when it came to filling out all the paperwork
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: and doing she did all that stuff.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean by herself. That's impressive.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like she handles her business. Yeah, but she will
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: spend some money.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Well now she's making it so it's not spend in mind.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Still, I can't wait till we get to the point
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: where she's just spending her money. Right now, she's still
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: spending my money.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Well, you've described her as hard headed in the past.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Where does she get that from?
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I guess me. I am stubborn, I am, but she
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: got me be.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: No, just kidding.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: See, I thought you were going to say your mother,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Well that too.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: She definitely reminds me a lot of my mom. They
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: bump heads a lot. Mes so funny, but they act
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: alike very much.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: So act alike like they kind of have a calm presence.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: But you don't want to mess with them at all.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Can we talk about Mama Joyce? I saw this video
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: a few days ago. I think you were coming out
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: of a morning show and she was about to talk
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: to TMZ. You looked like you got the hook and
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: you came just in time.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Right, Because I feel like my mom she's been real
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: sweet lately.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Please don't go asking her questions. It's gonna get her
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: round up. Don't do it not today.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Well, can I be honest with you. I feel like
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: there's a reason she's been.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Sweet, probably, but she's trying to be supportive.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's nice.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: When I'm going through something, I don't really want to
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: hear your opinion all day. Like, no, I can't deal
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: with all that, Like I have to deal with my
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: stuff internally. I'm one of those, you know.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: So she's been respecting it, trying it every now and
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: then she wanted to go.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: What they said on the internet. I don't tell me
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: what these people on the internet's it. So she's been,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: you know, trying to let me deal with my situation
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: without the extra.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: It makes me feel like getting a handle on your
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: mom is like the one thing you have not mastered, because.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: It's like, and I don't know if it's a family thing,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: but like all of me and most of my cousins,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: our moms, they still run us. It's like, okay, mama, okay,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: you know, like even when they ain't right, it's just
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: the way we were raised.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a respect thing too. It's kind of beautiful.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: What's something that she's told you that has aged?
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Remember mad day?
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: What is that? Ooh? I tell people. This is like
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: my mama always said. When I was younger, she'd be like,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: remember mad day. It's cool.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: You know, you be thinking you the best of friends
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: with somebody, or you think that you're cool.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: But when that day that y'all fall out, then either
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: dy y'all lying on you telling all your business doing
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: you know, like it's that day. Did you think, oh
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: this person got my back?
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: And you probably had to really remember mad day while
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: you were filming A Housewives.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's a lot of mad days on that show
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: a lot. It happens every time. It's always that one,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: always where you think, oh, no, we're tight, that's my girl,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: you know, blah blah blah, and then later on when
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: y'all fall out. It's not too many people that stay
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: solid for real going.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: To fall out you do though, Like, even through this
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: divorced publicly, you've been pretty.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Oh I'm trying.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: It's hard.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: I am trying. I know he's not making that easy
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: for you. What is the most Mama Joyce thing about you?
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: When I cut you off? I cut you off.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: But my mom and I are very different realistically, you know,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: the way.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: We think and different things we like to do. But
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: like my mom was a single mom, but she always
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: made sure that me and my brother we were good.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: We always you know, I had the best week, you know,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: always lived nicely. And you know, people thought my mama
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: had a lot of money. You know, seems to be like,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: what does your mama do? I don't know. She make
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: it happy? How did she do it? Oh? My mom
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: is just resourceful, very resourceful.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Is there something she's never wrong about?
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I mean a lot of times, you know, over time
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: she's proven to be right about a lot of things.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: But you know, we just have a different way to
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: go about things.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same with my mom. I love her
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: so deep that we are so different, so different. So
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: you're a mom of three and you get to watch
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: your kids interact all the time. I'm curious if their
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: sibling dynamic reminds you of your own brother at all.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, And when I watch how Ace looks after lays,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: it reminds me so much of my brother, and I
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: is him. Riley is. My brother's name was Patrick Riley.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: We had different dads, so his last name was Riley,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: and I named Riley from his last name. Didn't want
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: to do Patricia, just didn't. They didn't work, so I
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: went with Riley. But Riley, even though she is a
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: lot older than Ason, Blaze, she's a great big sister.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Like she you know, plays with them, She makes time
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: to be with them when she comes in city and
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: you know, and she loves spending time with them. So
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: it's really good. But Ace is a great big brother.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Now they bump heads all the time. Now they're a
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: little closer in age than me and my brother were,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: but those two they will bump heads. But Blaze is
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: like Ace is my best friend, you know, is so sweet.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: But like Aces, I don't know how he does it.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: But have you ever gon too? Like the gaming places
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: and you know how you can get something out the
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: machine with the claw or whatever or the basketball.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter where we go. Ace always wins something.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I feel like he's living into his name.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. He always wins. I don't know how he
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: does it.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: He's always coming out of there with something and he
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: gives with the winds her something really and.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: He shares he gets it for her. Like that's so sweet.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I love that even when I can't win, he's winning.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: That is so sweet.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want you to share, if you're willing a
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: little bit about your different motherhood journeys, because you had
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Riley when you were younger, and I feel like I
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: remember you saying that you had so many trials and
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: tribulations getting pregnant.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: With Ace lilllegs and blazes, because they're both the benefits
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: of IBF. Right. Well, with Riley, it wasn't hard at
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: all that got pregnant the first time I had six
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: with her dad.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Well, the all the time, I know, you find value
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: in like tough stuff, and so that IVF journey was
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: really tough.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Todd and I were dating for two and a
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: half years before we got married. It occurred to me
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: that we never had any oops moment, no accidents, no nothing,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: And I was like okay, and so I'm like thinking,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: it's gotta be him. You know, I didn't think it
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: was me. I got a child, but he did too,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: but I was just like, I didn't think it was me.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: But we did the test or whatever, and I guess
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: one of my tubes was blocked from because I had
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: multiple iybroid surgeries, so that proved to be an issue,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: you know, to get pregnant once we got married or whatever.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: So we decided to do IVF and because I was
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: thirty eight thirty nine, and so we decided to do that,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: and yeah, it worked for us.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Is there a life lesson that you didn't want your
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: kids to have to learn? I'll give you an example.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: There's like a long life of eating stuff in my
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: family and I grew up with My mom doesn't even
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: realize she did it, and she'll hate listening to the
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: podcast and hearing it. But at twenty four, twenty five,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I said, this ends with me because I want kids.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to give this to my daughter. And
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I had to heal it. And I'm wondering if there's
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: anything that you felt you were like, I'm not going
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: to do this to my kids.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I guess yeah. I'm trying not to be the type
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: to really be spanking my kids like that because my mom,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: even though she said you never really got Whoopers, I'm like,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: where were you? Because I remember.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Plenty if you don't ever forget those when you get them.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I try to allow my kids to at
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: least say how they're feeling instead of doing that whole like,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: don't talk back, don't say that. I mean, I don't
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: allow them to disrespect me, but I still allow them to,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: you know, give their opinion or whatever. Riley thinks everything
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: is a debate. Sometimes I'm like, maybe I should have
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: did that, but well, I think she might become a lawyer.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: It's given. I tell her every day she needs to
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: be a lawyer. But like I said, and our family,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: it's a pretty known thing, like the moms or they
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: kind of run things with an iron fist, at least
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: they did when they were younger. So it's like, as adults,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: we're still kind of scared of them. But I noticed
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: that all my first cousins, well not all of us,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: but some of them you tried to lighten up on,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: you know, our kids. Well now because I'm close to
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: my first cousins, their kids and then their kids, you
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. But I try not to be
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: so harsh.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like there are so many people that count
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: on you. You just mentioned like your cousins. What's it
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: been like to be the engine for so many people.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: I look at it as a blessing. And the reason
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: why I say that is because some people feel like, oh,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: you know why, they always got to ask me whatever.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: And it's like I was praying with one of my
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: friends one time, we say in our prayers together and
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: she's like, God, police must us to always be able
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: to land and now have to borrow, And I said,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: that's a word. Oh my. I do keep saying that
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: because you know, yeah, for some people may feel like
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: a burden that you are always the one people always
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: come to. But that's really a blessing because if people
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: can come to you and you can do for them,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: or you can be the person that looks out for
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: other people in your family, whether it's helping them through
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: school or whatever they're going through, that means you're in
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: a blessed position. And one thing that I always used
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: to pray from the time I was younger to even now,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: it's like God, I promise if you give it to me,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: I promise, I'm gonna share it, and I make it
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: a point to make sure I do that, whether it's
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: financially or opportunity wise. I'm always trying to put on
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: everybody in my circle. You know. It's like a thing
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: for me, like cause me and God got a pact,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: he continues to bless me. I'm gonna continue to make
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: sure I'm using whatever I have and whatever avenues I
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: have to make sure I'm sharing it amongst the people,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: and of course the people that's closest to me, I'm
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: gonna definitely make sure they're good. You know, even when
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: they're not asking. If I'm seeing that something needs to
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: be done, I'm like, okay, what we need to do here? What? Okay?
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: We need to make sure And like even my little
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: cousins or you know, the youngsters that's close to me, like, okay,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: you need to be you're trying to go to school,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: what do you need? It's a blessing to be able
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: to do that.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I got chills when I heard you say that, because
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: it's true, and we saw on reality TV sometimes people
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: take advantage of that in you, and you still stayed
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: that course. You never let those moments derail you from
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: continuing to share and call in.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna treat people how I want them to treat me.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be a reflection of them. They're gonna
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: have to be a reflection of me. And if somebody
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: mishandles that, then okay, you ex yourself out of the equation.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying. But that's not gonna determine
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: how I'm gonna treat the next person that I get
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: to know, or to anybody that's you know around me.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: It's like, if you prove.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: Yourself to be worthy of a nice treatment or my
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: giving spirit.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: And that's you, then I just know how to handle you.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go into any situation being me like you
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Yes, So I'm not gonna let
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: you determine who I am.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I have to ask you this, then, are you more
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Michelle Obama when they go low, we go high? Or
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: are you Cardi b and taking it to hell?
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna take it to the floor. I don't know
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: if I'm gonna quite go to hell. Cardi go away? Ah,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: you know? And I love that for sometimes I'd be like, ooh,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: I need to take a payro cardon book. Oh, like
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: air you out. I be feeling like that, but then
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: I'll be like, I feel like I'm gonna do it
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: in a way that still hurts, because when I cut
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: you off, you're gonna feel it. Like my thing is,
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: if you hang out with somebody who's freely given their resources,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: freely giving their friendship, freely giving their support, gonna be
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: your cheerleading, gonna be this, gonna be that.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: And I mean I'm like that with friends, family relationship.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: I'm like that. So you do me dirty.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: I'm cutting you off and I don't talk about it.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: We ain't have to have a conversation. You ain't even
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: gonna know why I cut you off. You just gonna
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: know all of a sudden. Damn. She don't show up
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: for me no more. She don't post me no more.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: She don't call me no more. I can't call off
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: and no favorus no more. Oh she got a project.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: I can't be a part of that no more. It's like,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: you gonna feel it when I cut you off. It hurts.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: It's gonne. I love that so much, it's gonna hurt.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: So it may not be in the same way that
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: she doesn't because I mean, she gonna ear you out.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she takes it to the floor. She takes
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: the floor, which I respect that some people need that.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to do that. Like I look
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: at her and I'm like, maybe I should be more
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: like that. Sometimes I be feeling like I need.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: But you could write a book airing people out.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: I'm sure, Oh could I I could. But overall, for me,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: I'm just to cut you off and never deal with
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: you again. And it's not hurt. As you see me
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: continue to progress. You could be like, dang, I could
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: have been hanging out over there. I could have been ware.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: But this is what I chose.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Well in that vein, you recently said life is lifing
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: right now when life is lifing for you, you said
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: work is the best kind of therapy. You definitely threw
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: yourself into work in so many ways when you're going
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: through loss. What version of you shows up? Is it
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: the business woman? Is it the songwriter? Maybe there's like
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: a demure side of you that only shows up with
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: your family.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know how to be demureor I don't know
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: how to be the soft girl, y'all.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: I'll be trying. I hear y'all talk about that online,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, where does she exist? Don't exist to me?
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know me neither. I have the dog in me. Yes,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: when I'm going through something, I go harder, you know,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: because I don't want to feel things. I don't want
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: to feel sad. I don't want to feel like hurt,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: biding situation. And the best way to do that is
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: stay focused on is next project, stay focused on this old,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: this new check about to come. Now I'm feeling better.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: I mean a check makes everybody feel better. Yeah, because
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: it's like, I don't have time to just sit around
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: and wallow and be sad.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you a hard question? And if it's
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: in your business you want me now, what does it
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: feel like to be stepping back into single motherhood.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: I think it's still going to be different because you know,
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Todd is still going to be very involved in their
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: lives or whatever. So I didn't really have that first
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: time around. Like, it was very few places that Riley
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: could go spend a night. She barely stayed at anybody
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: else's house but her own. It was like one or
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: two friends and I might let her go over there.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: But she wasn't a kid that was able to just
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: be at other places. And my mom is not one
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: of them grandmas that you could just well, not that
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: you mean like you could, but she's just not gonna
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: do it. Riley never stayed at her grandma's house for
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: weeks or months. You know, some people go to grandma's, yeah,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: like for the summer. No, I never experienced that. So
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: my child was always at home. And because Tom and
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: I have been together this whole time, our kids have
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: always been at home. They never went anywhere.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: So I say that to say now that he.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: And are separating, and you know, he's gonna be in
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: his own house and I'm gonna be here. Now, I
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: gotta get used to, Oh, they're gonna go over there
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: for a week. We're gonna do all you there and
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: come over here, and that's gonna be interesting. I've never
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: experienced that so literally.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: You mean sometimes I'm gonna come home and they gonna
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: be at his.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: House instead of my house.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: I don't even know what that feels like, never experience that.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Does that make you feel like maybe you'll have time
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: for your other projects or is it sad like I
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: want my babies at home.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know yet, because I've never experienced that. So
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: what I have decided is that I'm going to all
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: to be a time for me to better schedule my life. Meaning, Okay,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: if we plan on spending the time, then I'm gonna
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: plan my podcasting days, my this, my that, my dad.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Everything is gonna be done on the week that day
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: at his house. When the week they come back to
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: my house, I'm gonna make sure that I'm there to
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: do all the things. Pick you up, We're gonna kick it,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: we're gonna have fun. We're gonna have the best of
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: the best time. And then when you go over there,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back to work, and then we're gonna
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: do it like that. I was like, it might be
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: a good thing, because the thing about it is they
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: got two parents that truly love them. We want to
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: spend the most time, so we gonna make the best
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: of it. I'm gonna plan my work schedule around the
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: days that he goes to their house.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I love that You're like making it something positive for you.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: That's very cool.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: I'm very you. It's no other way to think about it,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: because here's the thing. It's pros and cons in both situations.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Right when you are a single mom, and you're doing
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: it all yourself and the other parent's not involved. It's
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: a pro and con. Now I know some friends who
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: the other parent was involved and they be arguing about,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: oh no, he's mad because I want to take him
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: here and I want to take him there. Well, I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: didn't have those issues. I could do whatever I wanted
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: with Riley. You know, we had the most fun. But
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: then the other slip of that coin was she didn't
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: really have her dad present in her life. And then,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: you know, kids have those issues that come from that,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But in this situation, their
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: dad is going to be in their life. But then
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, now I'm gonna have to ask them, well,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: how do you feel about this? How do you feel?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: I didn't have to do that with Riley, So this
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: is a new experience for me.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you what made you emotional?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: Because it's a very emotional thing for Riley that you know,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: she grew up with her dad.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Not really involved. Even though now they are, you know, cool,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: and they're talking now, but she's still trying to heal,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so that was an
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: emotional thing. The thought of my kids having to split
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: time is emotional. That's the most emotional part in this
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: whole situation. Really, I'm sorry you're in pain, Candy.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: So I know it's okay, but you put a lot
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: on your shoulders and you make it look easy, but
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: you're the one that has to be with you at night,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: and it's not easy.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: No, it's not.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: But like I said, I'm gonna find the positives in
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: the situation.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: So you're wrapping up your play and Juliette And if
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: people don't know, it's all about if Juliette had lived
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: her life on her terms instead of dying because of
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: a man.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: How is that a better story to you? How? Yes,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: it's a great story, Jo, because it's like she's seeing
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: the positives of taking ownership of her life and not
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: letting it be about a relationship and excitement of what's
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: to come, the new things. She has so much to
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: look forward to in our future. And I can really
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: relate to that because it's like everything is about to
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: be brand new. My friend said to me that I
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: was trying to figure out where to go for my
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: birthday for like a group trip with friends or whatever,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: and I was like, this place could be really fun,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: but I've been there before. I went with time. She
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: was like, it's gonna be brand new because you're gonna
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: go with your friends. This time is gonna be a
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: whole new, different experience, and I'm like, yeah, Like he
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: and I we did a lot of fun things, you know,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of fun things, had a lot of fun whatever.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: But I can do all those things again and it's
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: gonna be a completely different experience this time.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: I had a boyfriend one time who I had just
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: started dating, and we went to a restaurant and he
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: was like, have you ever been here before? And I
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: kind of looked at him and I was like, I
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: was here with my ex boyfriend and didn't want to lie.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: And he looked at me and he said, I want
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: to go every single place you've ever been with him
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: and make new memories with you.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: And I was like, that's houds fun. I love that.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: So I want to talk about your birthday because I've
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: heard women call it the fucket fifties.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: I never heard him saying it, but I like it.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: What is a fuck you are no longer going to
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: give in your fifties?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I don't really give a
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: fuck anyway. I don't like an open book. I'm saying
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: shit out in public. Dad, people like Carl, You're not
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: supposed to say that.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: That's probably gonna be a little bit wilder in my fifties,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: as you should be.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: You've earned it. I love that, Candy. I wait, I'm
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: a woman to the sex toy line. Maybe you can
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: imagine it's gonna be wild. I love that for you. Okay,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: I want to play who's saying that?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Because it's not every day I get an incredible singer
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: songwriter in this chair. So you have a few notable
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: memes you're known for, but one of my favorites. Can
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: you guess it's the iconic who said that?
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Oh who said that? Thank you? So instead of say
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: that without even thinking, Sometimes like I'll be talking to
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: my friends and they'll be saying, you know, because that's
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: just I said it. I'm like, what's good that? I'm like,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: you did it again? Like I'm not trying to do
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: that seriously.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, before you leave me, a few rapid fire questions,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: But Candy Coated Edition, if you could redo one reality moment,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: which one would it be?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't redo none of them because my thing is
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: if you change anything, then that changed the future of
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: what would to come.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: So when's the last time you said? The lies? The lies?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: People be lying all the time, So I'm be like
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: the lies. I used that one a lie, especially when
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: I've known somebody lying. I'm like, ooh, the lies, the lies.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: You clock it too, You keep it to yourself, but
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: you clock it. Yeah, I'm like, oh, I need to
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: be lying like that. What's your current song on repeat? Sa,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: I'll be listening to the songs that I wrote. So yeah,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: I'm listening to a private playlist that y'all don't even
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: know about you. So I don't know what song I mean.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: For a while, folded was coloney? I like her? Is
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: that an usher sample? I couldn't figure it out? Oh no,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: that's good question.
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  Speaker 1: Will you get back to me on that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Hot take? Candy choice, hot take? What do you mean?
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: What's your candy of choice? If you're at the movies?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't eat candy. The the candy that I
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: even like is KitKat.
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  Speaker 1: If you wrote a part two no scrub right now,
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  Speaker 1: what would it be called?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: A part two to those scrubs would be it's hard.
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you a different one. Who's the last scrub
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  Speaker 1: you dealt with?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Wow, that's funny. I know people would love to
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: try to call Tie the scrub, but I'm not gonna
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: call them a scrub. I would have to go back
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: prior to marriage. But now I don't want to put
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: nobody on blast and say any names. I can't do that.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: So you're one of those people whose face says everything,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: like it has subtitles. What is a facial expression you
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: wish you could control?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, I can't control my facial expression. That's one thing.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: My face talks before I do. It's like, if I'm
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: thinking it, my face is saying in I don't even
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: know it. What's the most worldwide thing about you? That's
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: a hard question. Music. I would say music is world
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: like world music. Once you write songs that's popular to
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: the world, that's worldwide. That's why I win ther name
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: was talking shit to me that day, Marlowe. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what, babe, I pitch up worldwide. I
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: don't even know. It just came out. It was because
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: in my mind, well, obviously our show Housewives, it's played
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: lots of places around the world, that's for sure. But musically,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: where there's hits that I've sung myself or hits that
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: I've written for other people. It's worldwide.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: It is say what you want, So I would say music.
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  Speaker 1: What is a book You've read, something that you feel
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: like everybody should read?
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, well, financially, I think everybody should read The
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Millionaire next Door.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't read that, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved that book. I read that and I
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: was a teenager, and it made me realize, like, you know,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: I always have to show off your money. It's like
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: most millionaires live below their means and you don't even
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: realize they're a millionaire. So I really lived with that
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: for a long time. You know, I had like a
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: couple million in the bank from my twenties, you know
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I had a nice house, but it
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: wasn't like a house that a normal family couldn't afford,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Or you know, I had
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: a decent car, but I wasn't trying to jump to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: buy a Bugatti, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: So maybe in your fifties, fucking fifties, fuck it, fuck
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: it might be you and your Bugatti.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: Fuck it, fuck it.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: I love it. That's a good point.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: Pick whichever card calls to you.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: This is cute. Oh you got your own game?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, they don't call me the Queen of Questions
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: for nothing.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Any questions? Yeah, all right? What was your aim screen
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: name online? Using name or first even? I really want
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: to know the answer to this hair to taste.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: So obviously it was a little sexually implied.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know why.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Address, but I so appreciate your honesty. I so appreciate you.
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  Speaker 1: You're really special.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: I wish you all good things in this next chapter.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: Thank you, friend, I really appreciate it.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, you know what time it is. Today's a good day.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: To have a good day.
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  Speaker 1: I'll see you next week.