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BONUS_ Disturbing Calls · Luke's English Podcast

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Speaker 1: Warning. This episode contains graphic and distressing nine one one calls.
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Speaker 1: Calls Episode twenty nine. We've got three nine to one
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Speaker 1: one calls for you today. So let's get started. On
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Speaker 1: November twenty third, twenty nineteen, authorities in Schomberg, Illinois, received
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Speaker 1: a nine to one one call from fifty five year
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Speaker 1: old optometrist Anthony Pratt to report a so called fight
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Speaker 1: he'd had with his girlfriend, forty eight year old Margaret Daniel.
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Speaker 3: A girlfriend and I had a fight.
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Speaker 4: She stabbed me with a knife and I stabbed her back,
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Speaker 4: and I think she's greatly wounded.
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Speaker 3: Okay, and I'm going to get you. I'm going to
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Speaker 3: get our police and paramedics on the way. Is she
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Speaker 3: still inside right now? Yes?
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, we're both inside.
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Speaker 3: Okay, hang on just a second place. Do you still
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Speaker 3: have the knife in your hand?
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Speaker 5: Sir? It's on the floor.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 4: I don't know what I suggest.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Sarah, I want you to just stay on the
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Speaker 3: phone with me. I'm letting my officers know where is
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Speaker 3: the knife at that she had.
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Speaker 4: It's on the floor.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 5: Do you feel both parting with the same knife?
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Speaker 3: Okay? Do you feel safe enough to go back inside
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Speaker 3: to check on her at this point?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Okay? Is there anybody else inside the house? Is it
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Speaker 3: just you and her and that's it?
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Speaker 6: It?
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Speaker 5: Is that?
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Speaker 3: Correct?
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Speaker 4: Yes?
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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm back inside. Okay, I want you to tell
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Speaker 3: me if she's awake.
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Speaker 5: She's not.
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Speaker 3: Okay, stay on the phone with me here, sir. Look good,
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Speaker 3: she doesn't look good. I don't know what I should
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Speaker 3: do for Okay, we're gonna walk. We're gonna walk through
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Speaker 3: this and try to help her until the police and
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Speaker 3: paramedics get there. Okay, just stay on the phone with
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Speaker 3: me here. How old is she served? Forty eight? Okay,
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Speaker 3: hang on just a second here, but I try CPS. Okay,
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Speaker 3: so we're gonna walk through this. Hang on just a
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Speaker 3: moment here with me. Is she breathing?
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Speaker 6: I don't.
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Speaker 5: I do not think so.
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Speaker 3: Okay, there's a lot of bloody. Okay, is she breathing?
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Speaker 4: I don't think.
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Speaker 5: Could I do?
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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, hang on, just okay. I want you to
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Speaker 3: stay on the phone here, so we're good. I've got
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Speaker 3: I've got injury live.
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Speaker 5: In my arms. But I could say.
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Speaker 3: Okay, sir, I want you okay, sir, listen to me.
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Speaker 3: We have the police from paramedics, like I said on
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Speaker 3: the way, to help you. I want you to stay
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Speaker 3: on the phone with me. Hang on just a moment here.
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Speaker 3: We're going to start CPR, but I'm letting my police
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Speaker 3: in paramedics know. Just stay on the phone here with me, okay.
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Speaker 1: Emergency responders rushed to Margaret's home, where they found her
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Speaker 1: lifeless body. The Cook County Medical Examiner determined she'd been
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Speaker 1: stabbed twenty to thirty times with numerous wounds to her
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Speaker 1: chest and back. Margaret, a beloved nurse, anesthetist, and mother
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Speaker 1: of two adult daughters, was pronounced dead at the scene.
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Speaker 1: Investigators learned that the couple had hosted a small dinner
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Speaker 1: party earlier that evening. Witnesses said the atmosphere turned tense
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Speaker 1: when the topic of death came up, perturbing Anthony. As
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Speaker 1: the guests were leaving, Margaret apologised for Anthony's behavior. This
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Speaker 1: sparked an argument between the couple that escalated to violence.
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Speaker 1: Anthony stabbed Margaret repeatedly before calling three family members to
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Speaker 1: confess what he'd done. He'd waited at least twenty minutes
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Speaker 1: before calling nine one one. This murder raised questions among
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Speaker 1: authorities about Anthony's history. In twenty eleven, his wife, Bridget,
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Speaker 1: had died in what was at the time reported as
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Speaker 1: a car accident, though no charges were filed. Her family
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Speaker 1: had long suspected foul play. Anthony was driving at the
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Speaker 1: time of the accident, and according to him, Bridget just
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Speaker 1: happened to unbuckle her seat belt right before the crash.
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Speaker 1: The pathologist who examined Bridget's corpse believed she had died
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Speaker 1: before the car crashed, and it was noted that the
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Speaker 1: accident didn't seem serious innenough enough to kill her. The
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Speaker 1: airbags didn't even deploy. The car accident was investigated for
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Speaker 1: almost a year, but eventually the case was dropped and
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Speaker 1: charges were never filed. Bridget's family hired a private investigator
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Speaker 1: and continued pressing law enforcement to look into the case.
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Speaker 1: Margaret's murder finally prompted authorities to take another look at
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Speaker 1: Bridget's death. Anthony Prt was charged with first degree murder
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Speaker 1: for killing Margaret Daniel. While he was awaiting trial, he
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Speaker 1: was released on a three hundred thousand dollars cash bond
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Speaker 1: and placed under house arrest with an ankle monitor. However,
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Speaker 1: he contracted COVID nineteen and died in December of twenty
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Speaker 1: On May tenth, twenty twenty, police were called to the
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Speaker 1: home of seventy three year old William Miller in Oakwood, Ohio.
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Speaker 1: one one shortly after the incident, confessing to what he'd done.
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Speaker 3: I just shot a little in my house.
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Speaker 5: You did what I did?
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Speaker 3: Shot somebody?
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Speaker 5: You shot someone?
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Speaker 7: That's good?
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Speaker 2: Okay?
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Speaker 5: Why did you shoot someone?
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Speaker 4: I told him my house and he didn't leave?
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Speaker 5: Who is it to you?
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Speaker 7: What?
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Speaker 5: Who is he to you?
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Speaker 8: Is my wife's grandson?
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Speaker 5: Your wife's grandson? Okay? Is he alive? Is he breathing?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? You're good?
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Speaker 5: Okay? Where did you shoot him?
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Speaker 3: Att?
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Speaker 4: Wow?
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 8: I shot him in the chess.
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Speaker 5: Don't you shot him in the test? Yes? Okay? Did
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Speaker 5: you shoot him with a shotgun or a test? People? Okay?
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Speaker 5: What's your name?
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Speaker 3: William Miller?
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Speaker 5: William Miller? Yeah, okay. What's he being a restive or
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Speaker 5: anything to you? William?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: Okay? What was he doing to you?
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Speaker 3: I told him to get there my house.
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Speaker 4: I didn't want him there.
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Speaker 5: He want to welcome here, to get out, okay, and
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Speaker 5: he refused to.
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Speaker 3: Leave, so I shot him?
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Speaker 5: Sorry?
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Speaker 3: Though, what is his name?
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Speaker 5: Evan? Hold him? Holcom? Holcom?
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Speaker 3: Will you please send tell you all this?
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Speaker 5: William. We're sending one my other dissacher is encoding them
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Speaker 5: right now. Okay, all right, I have deputies and routes too.
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Speaker 5: I just need you to stand the line from me
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Speaker 5: until they get there. Okay, what I just need you
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Speaker 5: to stay on the phone with me. Is he bleeding? Okay, William,
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Speaker 5: I understand. I'm concerned about him right now. Is he bleeding?
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Speaker 8: On a second?
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Speaker 5: Okay? Oh my god, hey, ma'am, hi, is he breathing?
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Speaker 5: Is he's still alive? Okay? Do you do you see
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Speaker 5: where the gunshot is on? It? Sat the Okay, he's
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Speaker 5: curled up then nobody? Okay, yep. Where we are. We
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Speaker 5: have ambulance and row and we have deputies and raw.
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Speaker 5: I just need some more information from you guys. Okay.
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Speaker 5: I'm really sorry that this happened. We just need some information. Okay,
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Speaker 5: O God, what kind of gun? Is it? A revolver? No? Okay?
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Speaker 5: What's your name, ma'am? Deborah Miller? Deborah Miller? Okay, okay,
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Speaker 5: I know, Deborah. I'm really sorry. Did you can Can
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Speaker 5: you let William know that when the dead bids get there,
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Speaker 5: he needs to follow the deputy's instructions very carefully. Okay.
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Speaker 5: We don't do a really serious matter, they are gonna
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Speaker 5: come whe then he very alone. Okay, you can't get
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Speaker 5: you can't get him to see where where the wound is?
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Speaker 5: To make me start with lea and I trans stupid?
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Speaker 5: Get him?
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Speaker 3: I'm any job.
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Speaker 5: I understand, I knew.
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Speaker 3: I've got a funded jeer.
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Speaker 5: I underhold. Okay, you're kind, so you gotta come here.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh my god.
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Speaker 5: Where hold on?
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna give my brian daughter to you.
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Speaker 5: Okay, how many people? Well, they're on the drumtop or bruh, Hi, honey,
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Speaker 5: where's William? Where's William att? I don't know where she was.
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Speaker 5: Did he go outside? I just think so? Okay, is
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Speaker 5: there a vehicle on the property that he can leave with?
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Speaker 8: You know?
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Speaker 5: Okay, do you know what that vehicle is? It's the
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Speaker 5: white white view it Okay, a list on the back
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Speaker 5: like a wheelchair lift on the back. Okay, you did
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Speaker 5: he say anything about leaving or anything?
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Speaker 7: No?
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Speaker 5: I don't know if he even loves Okay, Okay, that's
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Speaker 5: that's okay, I know it's what what's your name, sweetie, Crystal?
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Speaker 5: Can you please do me a favor? And can you
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Speaker 5: please just let William know that when the deputies get there.
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Speaker 5: He needs to follow the deputy's instructions very carefully, okay,
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Speaker 5: because they're gonna they're gonna come. It's a very serious matter,
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Speaker 5: and he needs to follow their instructions so no one
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Speaker 5: else hits hurt you to follow. I know, it's really
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Speaker 5: I know, it's really scary, Crystal. Do you know if
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Speaker 5: he still has the gun? Do you know if he
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Speaker 5: still has it or if he got rid of the gun.
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Speaker 5: Where's the gunnut? Where's the gun at?
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Speaker 3: It's in the bedroom.
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Speaker 5: It's in the bedroom. Did it unloads? Did he unload it?
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Speaker 5: I have no idea, but you're okay, Okay, he is?
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Speaker 5: Is he wanting to harm himself? Is he is? William? Okay,
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Speaker 5: he doesn't want to harm himself. I think he knows,
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Speaker 5: I understand. Is there anyone else in the house besides
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Speaker 5: you and your grandma and and William and them? Okay, sorry, okay, Crystal.
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Speaker 5: When the deputies get there, I am going to have
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Speaker 5: you give the phone to William if you can let
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Speaker 5: him know that, so that way I can let him
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Speaker 5: know the instructions of what the deputies want him to do. Okay, Okay,
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Speaker 5: do you can you see Evan do you know what's
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Speaker 5: going on with Evan right now? Your your grandma said,
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Speaker 5: she's handicapping, isn't able to check on Evan, And if
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Speaker 5: you're not comfortable doing that, I don't want.
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Speaker 3: You to do that. I know she's in the kitchen
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Speaker 3: next to him on the chair and talking alongside.
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Speaker 5: Look, okay, Evan. Evan hasn't talked or anything. My grandmother's
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Speaker 5: like budget and Le Troid the moon. But he's not breathing. Okay,
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Speaker 5: he's not breathing.
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Speaker 3: You notice that, grandma said?
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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, you beckyards Okay, that's fine. Yep, you
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Speaker 5: can stay back there, that's fine. Oh hi William, Okay,
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Speaker 5: if you want to just keep the phone until the
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Speaker 5: deputies get there, I think is what they're going to
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Speaker 5: have you do, just so that way nobody else gets hurt.
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Speaker 5: Is they're just going to have you go to the
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Speaker 5: front door and then when I tell you can open
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Speaker 5: the door and meet the deputies with your hands in
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Speaker 5: the air. Okay, the cigarette. Okay, that's fine for right now.
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Speaker 5: We just you know, we don't want anybody else getting
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Speaker 5: hurt or anything there there. Okay, you see them, Okay,
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Speaker 5: don't okay, William Gary. Deputy Dietrich said to go ahead
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Speaker 5: and come out of the garage with your hands up. Okay.
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Speaker 5: You can leave the cell phone in your hand. Just
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Speaker 5: just put your hands up so they can see, okay.
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Speaker 1: William's granddaughter Crystal told investigators she heard the two arguing
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Speaker 1: before two gunshots rang out. William had fired a warning
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Speaker 1: shot to the ceiling before shooting Evan in the chest.
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Speaker 1: Emergency responders arrived to find Evan dead inside the home.
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Speaker 1: William Miller was arrested and charged with aggravated murder, but
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Speaker 1: his health soon deteriorated while in custody. He was transferred
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Speaker 1: to a psychiatric hospital shortly after his arrest, and later
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Speaker 1: moved to another medical facility due to ongoing health issues.
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Speaker 1: On September twenty second, twenty twenty, he died of natural causes,
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Speaker 1: just months after the incident. This case left the Holcombe
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Speaker 1: Brian's Warren had recently been reported missing by the Temp Agency. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: Brian Junior's mother, Terry Cohe, made a far worse discovery
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Speaker 1: in her son's closet, a decomposing human head and hands. Horrified,
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Speaker 1: Terry called the police.
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Speaker 8: Fine, there is an it's around Okay, what's the Why
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Speaker 8: do you think it's because it looks like it's on ear.
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Speaker 5: Like anything like that?
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Speaker 8: To drummer Trump, he just pulled up on the line
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Speaker 8: to make sure he was here before we called. It's
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Speaker 8: a fascination with the more I did. But he was
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Speaker 8: channeling it, I thought. And she's becoming a prime chat investigator,
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Speaker 8: but not too much. He's gonna be cooportive with those.
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Speaker 8: I don't know. I don't think he'll be violent. He
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Speaker 8: came back from his son's house.
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Speaker 4: Did you have any weapons in his room?
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Speaker 8: I don't know. I think that she has a shotgun.
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Speaker 8: But we can the immediate before he gets he stop
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Speaker 8: by the car.
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Speaker 5: Now though there's a barage still in the closet.
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Speaker 8: Now it's in my chicken seat. And there's a second
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Speaker 8: day back that I have not opened her.
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Speaker 1: Police arrived at the Kohe home to find Terry sobbing.
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Speaker 1: The police asked Brian what his mother had found, and
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Speaker 1: Brian calmly, almost smugly, confessed, Okay.
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Speaker 3: So parents have some concerns of some stuff they.
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Speaker 5: May have found in your room.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe so, And what would it be.
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Speaker 1: A human head hands like for.
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Speaker 3: Real human head and hands? Yes, from.
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Speaker 1: That fellow who I'm missing recently?
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Speaker 7: Which fellow was up?
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Speaker 4: Warren Brown?
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Speaker 3: Warren Brown? When did he go missing? Good night of
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Speaker 3: the twenty seventh, the night of the twenty cents? Okay,
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Speaker 3: then how did you end up with him?
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Speaker 4: I murdered him with what a knife?
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Speaker 3: Why would you have done that?
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Speaker 4: I've always wondered what murder felt like.
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Speaker 1: After talking with the family, an officer went into the
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Speaker 1: house and confirmed that there was indeed a human head
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Speaker 1: and hands inside the bag Terry had found. Brian was
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Speaker 1: taken to the police station and questioned, and his parents
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Speaker 1: followed and also were interviewed by detectives.
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Speaker 3: Tell me about Brian.
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Speaker 7: Did he have any kind of minimal issues or disability?
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Speaker 8: Night wive.
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Speaker 7: And I did think that It started in.
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Speaker 8: The summer a weekend only went to Kay.
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Speaker 5: Go to school.
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Speaker 7: He started in sibiting and antich social behavior, Kay.
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Speaker 8: Kids saying things. Kid kids dropped up.
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Speaker 7: And think it was that. And the doctor and said, yes,
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Speaker 7: he's any ac, Yes he's autistic.
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Speaker 1: Yes he's this.
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Speaker 8: Oh and.
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Speaker 7: There's some indications that, uh, he should get further testing
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Speaker 7: because of potential psychosis. When you talked about the school
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Speaker 7: stuff and having lots of issues, what were the issues that.
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Speaker 8: They were having that made that our kid who is
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Speaker 8: not feeling safe.
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Speaker 7: He would make a joke that we're not appropriate. He
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Speaker 7: got suspended a few times, like for behavior that wasn't acceptable, like.
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Speaker 8: This one girl, and.
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Speaker 5: He knows very well.
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Speaker 7: He knows that she has a lot of issues and
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Speaker 7: that loud's noises frighten her.
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Speaker 8: And so, you know, one of.
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Speaker 7: His school suspensions was when he you know, came up
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Speaker 7: to her in the hallway and closed really out next door,
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Speaker 7: you know, knowing that he would put her in a panic,
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Speaker 7: and she cried and they were like, yep, nope, you
28:32
Speaker 7: know that's not how Nope, you knew that would upset
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Speaker 7: her and you did it a right. You know, he
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Speaker 7: had the mortgage.
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Speaker 4: He had a mortgage.
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Speaker 5: That's the humor.
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Speaker 7: And we made jokes and I said, pain that it's
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Speaker 7: not funny, and he said, yeah it is, mom.
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Speaker 8: You don't get like such a humor, you know.
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Speaker 7: So, but some of his behaviors that we attributed to autisms,
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Speaker 7: like the black face, maybe isn't the visible autism.
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Speaker 8: Obviously it's something else.
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Speaker 7: Okay, what about any.
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Speaker 8: Fascinations or things.
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Speaker 7: He's six eighth on a lot of personal perfect preparation
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Speaker 7: on crime and crime scene and so he's talking about.
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Speaker 8: Going into the military in the.
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Speaker 7: Fall and when he gets out, having your job.
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Speaker 5: And so I had.
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Speaker 7: Purchased online a crime scene investigation book for him. So
29:37
Speaker 7: I gave that to him, and I was like, so
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Speaker 7: you're buying you know, let's channel that curiosity into something
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Speaker 7: positive and you can affected a change in the world, right,
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Speaker 7: And he's like, yeah, that's my planned.
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Speaker 8: Mom.
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Speaker 1: He's obviously sick.
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Speaker 5: He's obviously very sick.
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Speaker 4: He was noticed weird things about it. Some days gets cold,
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Speaker 4: just just he looked for me and he has his
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Speaker 4: cold look in his face.
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Speaker 7: I just don't know what happened. I don't know why,
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Speaker 7: what made him though, you know, and I.
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Speaker 8: Don't never know that question.
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Speaker 5: How many times you're.
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Speaker 3: Gonna ask me.
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Speaker 8: I don't know why he would win where And I
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Speaker 8: don't know anything.
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Speaker 4: I'm just as dark about this as you. Never been
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Speaker 4: disled at all with any family members, Mom, Dad, Brian, dogs.
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Speaker 5: Never any any that could in his body.
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Speaker 4: Never ever.
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Speaker 1: Nothing. Brian was very open in his interrogation and waved
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Speaker 1: his right to a lawyer, as some murderers are, he
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Speaker 1: seemed eager to give the detectives all the details of
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Speaker 1: his vile deeds.
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Speaker 2: I was driving one night.
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Speaker 4: I was in a that was a bad stated night.
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Speaker 5: Okay.
30:43
Speaker 4: I saw a strange state by the railway tracks. So
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Speaker 4: I vestigated and agree would be a homeless person sleeping.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 4: So I stabbed in the go okay, then decalculated his
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Speaker 4: head and hands and arms okay. I then took the
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Speaker 4: head and put in my car trunk, along with the
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Speaker 4: hands and the bags, plastics and walk backs. I took
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Speaker 4: it back to my house, cleaned off the knife, tried
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Speaker 4: to hide the head and hands, removed the trash in
31:14
Speaker 4: my car that was staining in blood, and then I
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Speaker 4: went and then I tried sleeping. However, I was quite serious,
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Speaker 4: how he say, because I decided that's much evidence. The
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Speaker 4: body needs to be dumped in the river. So I
31:29
Speaker 4: took the body in the trunk, drive it to the
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Speaker 4: blue hairm Jaw off point and had unsuccessfully dumped the
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Speaker 4: body as I part two, low down the ramp. The
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Speaker 4: ramp is un dirt. So once here four well driving
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Speaker 4: back Vietnam, and I was able to look it out
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Speaker 4: and my car flooded. It was that was let's see,
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Speaker 4: I killed him just after eleven February twenty seventh, twenty
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Speaker 4: twenty one. Then I dumped the boy.
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Speaker 8: I tried to dump the body.
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Speaker 4: I would try to remember the time exactly.
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Speaker 5: It was one an.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that sounds lasting.
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Speaker 5: So what do you want to know?
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Speaker 4: To start back at the beginning and go slow and
32:17
Speaker 4: tell me as many details as you can remember. So,
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Speaker 4: because I mean, Murray going to jail for fifteen years probably,
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Speaker 4: I have no idea because at the beginning its mark.
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Speaker 4: I mean I'm going to jail for twenty probably, But
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Speaker 4: so to hear why fight had okay, So what's important
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Speaker 4: to me is to learn as much about you and
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Speaker 4: what you did and as I can, well, as many
32:45
Speaker 4: details as you can get a little better. Yeah, it
32:48
Speaker 4: was the night of February twenty seven. It was a
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Speaker 4: full dude, and I figured I didn't see so well, why.
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Speaker 3: Not try it out? And I am an a bad I.
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Speaker 2: Didn't mind at that time.
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Speaker 4: I am I have major depressive disorder, so I am
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Speaker 4: not thinking, I shall say poppatively, okay.
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Speaker 8: And I crewed around for.
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Speaker 5: An hour an hour and a half and I'm.
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Speaker 4: Eventually driving underneath the bridge near the Sheriff's office. And
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Speaker 4: I was driving along and I see the shape here
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Speaker 4: on the railway truck.
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Speaker 8: So I'm like, oh, it's interesting. He's like, ohh and.
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Speaker 7: I've been looking.
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Speaker 4: I feel large thing wrapping a handass okay, and I'm like, that's.
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Speaker 1: An homeless person.
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Speaker 4: So I grabbed my knife. I put on three layers
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Speaker 4: of cups and I took the knife. I pulled back
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Speaker 4: the canvas and I stabbed his neck. He was panicking
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Speaker 4: at first in his old hand and voice.
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Speaker 8: He was saying, what are you doing? What are you doing?
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Speaker 1: Why?
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Speaker 2: And I just kept on saving his neck.
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Speaker 4: It was actually surprisingly easy. I was really breaking the sweat.
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Speaker 4: I thought, homes God, he's going to be tough, but no,
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Speaker 4: it was actually surprisingly easy. And during the time, I
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Speaker 4: was growling and made me animalistic noises.
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Speaker 5: What we are going?
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Speaker 4: I suppose it was a friend of me. I was
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Speaker 4: so excited, so rest up on adrenaline, I pau said.
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Speaker 4: He said why are you doing this? And I said,
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Speaker 4: I've been wanting to do this for a long time,
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Speaker 4: part of summer. And then I continued the whole argy.
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Speaker 4: Lasked about a minute man and a half and when
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Speaker 4: I was finished stabbing him, he took out his last
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Speaker 4: breath a grunt, and his head was halfway off.
34:47
Speaker 3: And you you talked about you were just kind of
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Speaker 3: in a bad state that night.
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Speaker 1: It was yes, okay, why.
34:54
Speaker 4: Were you in a bad state? I didn't take my
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Speaker 4: medicine head plus For years I was wondering what murder
35:03
Speaker 4: would be like because hit bunding the zodiacally, I would
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Speaker 4: say murders the best in the oral soun like I'm
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Speaker 4: going to try that. I was figuring the police don't
35:16
Speaker 4: this is not be taking offense, but the least they
35:20
Speaker 4: don't seem to care as much about higher risk individuals.
35:25
Speaker 4: Howless people prostitutes et there. So I was delivered. Was
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Speaker 4: looking for someone who lived that type of play. So
35:33
Speaker 4: how long have you been planning or looking for someone
35:36
Speaker 4: to do this with before you come this guy? So
35:39
Speaker 4: it's a month, So you come close or seen somebody
35:42
Speaker 4: or checking them out or anything in the past. You
35:47
Speaker 4: so before this guy, how close have.
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Speaker 1: You come in the past.
35:52
Speaker 4: We just drive around, you know, just try and find
35:54
Speaker 4: just anybody interesting, and.
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Speaker 3: You know, in your minds on the plan.
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Speaker 4: Well, occasionally when you see girls walking down the street.
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Speaker 4: I take a glance to him because it really is
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Speaker 4: like a camber ware. Half of me says, well, I'm
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Speaker 4: quite in that to aplain I'm being honest.
36:14
Speaker 8: I'm no Capanola.
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Speaker 4: But asked me says I want to take that girl
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Speaker 4: home and her feel nice. And in the other half
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Speaker 4: of me, just like what Ed said is I want
36:25
Speaker 4: to see what her head.
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Speaker 5: Looks like on a stick.
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Speaker 1: At Brian's trial, he pleaded not guilty due to insanity,
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Speaker 1: citing his diagnosis of ADHD, autism, and depression. The defense
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Speaker 1: fell flat as all three of those diagnoses are very
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Speaker 1: common and are not generally known to provoke murder. Additionally,
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Speaker 1: Brian had confessed to planning to murder someone for months,
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Speaker 1: specifically a homeless person, as he believed they would not
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Speaker 1: be missed. Brian Kohe the Second was found guilty of
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Speaker 1: first degree murder, tampering with evidence, and tampering with the
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Speaker 1: deceased human body. He was sentenced to life in prison
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Speaker 1: without the possibility of parole. It's fortunate that this young
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Speaker 1: man was swiftly found after committing his first murder, and
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Speaker 1: that there is no chance he'll ever be released Otherwise,
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Speaker 1: he has all the potential of becoming a serial killer.
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