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Ep. 120 : 2025 Topps Heritage High Number Overview · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to episode one twenty of Cards
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  Speaker 1: and Categories. I'm my cool Ard from Rasball, joined as
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  Speaker 1: always by my very good friend Jeremy Brewer, also from Rasball.
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  Speaker 2: How are you doing tonight, Buddy.
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  Speaker 3: Doing well, doing well, Very excited to be here. We
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  Speaker 3: are warming up the hot stove, just like the weather,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm excited to talk through all the moves. And
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  Speaker 3: it has been a flurry lately, so We've got plenty
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  Speaker 3: plenty to talk about, so let's get going.
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  Speaker 2: How about you? You ready and excited? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I mean I had to update this rundown a couple
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  Speaker 1: times to reflect all the transactions that just kept pouring in,
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  Speaker 1: and they they're not major of trains reactions, you know,
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  Speaker 1: nothing to the level of Dylan ce Ci or Pete
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  Speaker 1: Alonzo or anything this week, but all fantasy relevant for
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  Speaker 1: twelve to fifteen teamers. I think out there, we've lots
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  Speaker 1: of moves to get through. So I'll tell you right now.
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  Speaker 1: Our main show is focusing on twenty twenty five Tops
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  Speaker 1: Heritage High Number, which is releasing today as we're speaking.
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  Speaker 1: On December seventeenth, Wednesday evening. We're also got some survivor
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  Speaker 1: to get through hopefully tonight to see some survivor winners
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  Speaker 1: and well, I just winner, which will work well with
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  Speaker 1: coming off that Jeff Kent Hall of Fame announcement last week.
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  Speaker 1: But like I said, we've got a lot of transactions
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  Speaker 1: to get through, so let's just dive right into it,
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  Speaker 1: because they're not going to go anywhere, honest. So the
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  Speaker 1: first one we've got, we've got a big old pitcher,
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  Speaker 1: Meryll Kelly going back to the Arizona Diamondbacks after being
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  Speaker 1: traded at the deadline to the Texas Rangers. And I
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  Speaker 1: think he's also from the Phoenix area. So really it
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  Speaker 1: worked really well that Kelly was able to return and
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  Speaker 1: it was a solid sea and for him overall, as
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  Speaker 1: he's put up a total of a one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: eighty four innings with a three fifty two ERA, a
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  Speaker 1: three seventy six FIP, twelve and nine record with the
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  Speaker 1: Rangers and the d Backs. As I mean, he is
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  Speaker 1: thirty six, going to go into his age thirty seven season.
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  Speaker 1: Well it came off of his thirty seven thirty six season,
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  Speaker 1: turned thirty seven in October, so he's been a reliable
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  Speaker 1: kind of number three, number two somewhere in there for
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  Speaker 1: you in terms of fantasy production. But it's just been
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  Speaker 1: steady Eddie now for the past few years. In terms
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  Speaker 1: of looking at his overall rate stats in his K
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  Speaker 1: per nine, I mean, I guess maybe we can throw
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four out a little bit in terms of
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  Speaker 1: he was battling a little bit of injury. But you're
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  Speaker 1: looking at a guy who's hovering around eight eight and
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  Speaker 1: a half K nine with a mid threes era, and
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  Speaker 1: that's all being put up even in Arizona. That's a
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  Speaker 1: tough pitching environment. But I know you love it, Meryl Kelly.
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  Speaker 1: You're still feeling good about him going for a couple
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  Speaker 1: more years. This is two year deal that he signed
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  Speaker 1: with the d Backs, and they should keep him around
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  Speaker 1: for I mean at least those two years, but maybe beyond.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No, I love it extally as a vesting year for
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  Speaker 3: a third as well. So I think it could work
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  Speaker 3: out for both parties here. But first of all, the
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  Speaker 3: Diamondbacks needed him like that rotation was rough, rough, rough
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  Speaker 3: between like Ryan Nelson and Eduardo Rodriguez, Brandon fat, like
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  Speaker 3: Mike Soroka, like they had a lot of number threes
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  Speaker 3: and fours.
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  Speaker 2: For sure, Merrill.
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  Speaker 3: Kelly might not be a one, but overall he is
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  Speaker 3: a solid pitcher and one of my favorite picture types,
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  Speaker 3: which is low oalks, good ground balls and really forgettable
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  Speaker 3: from a fantasy perspective because nobody's looking at a guy
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  Speaker 3: like this and he just slides through. You add in
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  Speaker 3: the back of your rotation. He performs like a three
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  Speaker 3: or four and you're happy all year long because you
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  Speaker 3: can just plug am play, high volume, deep into games
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  Speaker 3: kind of guy. So I like this with the d Backs.
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  Speaker 3: I like this for fantasy purposes. He's going home to
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  Speaker 3: your point where he's gonna be very very comfortable in
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  Speaker 3: that Diamondbacks rotation. So good signing, and yeah, pushing up
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  Speaker 3: the ref words for me, I'm not scared about the
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  Speaker 3: age at all here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So I mean I put him first because
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  Speaker 1: I think he's probably got the most significant impact because
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  Speaker 1: he is going to be relevant in all those ten
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  Speaker 1: teamers or twelve teamers out there, probably even into ten teamers.
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  Speaker 1: So now we're going to enter what I call the
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  Speaker 1: twilight zone of relievers, because yeah, that is where front
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  Speaker 1: offices really went on a spending spree before they probably
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  Speaker 1: hopefully for their own sakes, take a small break during
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  Speaker 1: the holidays because the flurry of transactions kind of reflect
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  Speaker 1: people wanting to get stuff done. The reliever market was
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  Speaker 1: the number one spot that happened. Let's focus on a
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  Speaker 1: couple of the big ones before we just kind of
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  Speaker 1: get into a total just lineup of all relievers up
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  Speaker 1: and down the league. First one is the Detroit Tigers
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  Speaker 1: signed veteran and future Hall of Famer ken Lee Jansen
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  Speaker 1: to a one year deal with a twelve It's a
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  Speaker 1: nine million dollar contract for the one year with a
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  Speaker 1: two million dollar buyout, a twelve million dollar club option
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  Speaker 1: for twenty twenty seven, just in case he wants to
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  Speaker 1: stick around. And so just last week we were talking
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  Speaker 1: about Kyle Finigan being a great number two closer for Detroit.
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  Speaker 1: This afternoon, there was just some i would say, mixed
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  Speaker 1: reports on what the Tigers are going to do with
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  Speaker 1: the back end of this bullpen. They did kind of
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  Speaker 1: go with a closer by committee for most of last year,
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  Speaker 1: but then Will Vest rose to the top, and then
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  Speaker 1: after the deadline, Kyle Finigan really picked up the majority
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  Speaker 1: of saves. There is Vest faded down the stretch. You
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  Speaker 1: still got Tyer Holton in the mix here too, along
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  Speaker 1: with Vest and Finnegan. Kenley Jansen on roster resource is
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  Speaker 1: sitting at the top of the bullpen as a closer
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  Speaker 1: right now. But this afternoon A. J. Hinch did say
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  Speaker 1: in the front off did say that when they brought
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  Speaker 1: Kenley Jansen over some of the talks during the actual
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  Speaker 1: negotiations with Kenley said, hey, we want your role to
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  Speaker 1: be nebulous. Are you comfortable that Kenley signed on for it?
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  Speaker 1: He is twenty four saves, believe, from five hundred total,
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  Speaker 1: which is a pretty big mark. He's rising up that list,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, gonna be a Hall of Famer because
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  Speaker 1: of all these saves. Do you believe the Tigers? Do
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  Speaker 1: you think that there actually is a closer by committee
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  Speaker 1: happening in Detroit? Or are you putting all your eggs
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  Speaker 1: in the Kenley Jansen basket.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this was hard because like all conventional logic says,
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  Speaker 3: Kenley Jansen has to be the closer, because it would
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  Speaker 3: be illogical because he would have had multiple suitors, but
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  Speaker 3: illogical for him to sign to not try to go
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  Speaker 3: after that five hundred saves. Maybe if he was going
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  Speaker 3: back to like the Dodgers or something like that. You
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  Speaker 3: could have easily made that argument and say, hey, he's
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  Speaker 3: going back to the old stomping grounds that he wants
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  Speaker 3: to be a role player, trying to play for a
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  Speaker 3: championship or something. But he's picked Detroit and so you'd
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  Speaker 3: have to think that that that's in his mind. I
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  Speaker 3: get the reports things like that. That said, I think
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  Speaker 3: Kyle Finnigan's the better picture in this bullpen. And you
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  Speaker 3: look at ken Ley's year last year, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: two fifty nine ERA almost a K per nine. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he saved twenty nine games, like you gotta love it, right,
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  Speaker 3: but you had an eighty five percent left on base
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  Speaker 3: a one ninety five BABEI home runs were leaving a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more. His you know x fip was four
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  Speaker 3: to six like, and he's been a few years where
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  Speaker 3: he's been up there. And like I said, Finnigan made
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  Speaker 3: some changes last year. We talked about this last week
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  Speaker 3: and he looked like a really, really good pitcher. So
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  Speaker 3: I think this is one where Jansen gets the majority
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  Speaker 3: of the closed situation, uh, closing opportunities early in the season.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna try to make a push for that. But
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  Speaker 3: I think that fluid talk that you're getting at is
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  Speaker 3: if he's not cutting it.
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  Speaker 2: They're gonna use Finigan.
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  Speaker 3: But I think he gets the first go at it,
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  Speaker 3: just from a logical perspective. If I'm in, I'm skipping
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  Speaker 3: Jansen and I'm picking up fin again, Layton.
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  Speaker 1: Drafts, Oh, okay, Well, I think we're maybe on different
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  Speaker 1: signs a little bit here because I'm all in on Kenley.
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  Speaker 1: The big thing that stands out to me when I
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  Speaker 1: look at his profile from twenty twenty five is that
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  Speaker 1: Jenson only blue one save. He was pretty good in
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  Speaker 1: actual save situations and was for the Angels, So maybe
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  Speaker 1: the volume wasn't there that we could see some of
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  Speaker 1: the crazy Kenley, but he was solid.
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  Speaker 2: In Boston too.
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  Speaker 1: That some of the hiccups that we saw during the
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  Speaker 1: tail end of his Dodgers career and even into Atlanta
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, where Kenley was kind of blowing saves
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  Speaker 1: here and there and you're a little unsure about what
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  Speaker 1: the future held for him. I think he settled that down.
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  Speaker 1: And you look at Finnegan blew seven saves in total
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  Speaker 1: last year and that was kind of, honestly his achilles
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  Speaker 1: heel at the end of the day, is that he
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  Speaker 1: does blow up every once in a while, and if
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  Speaker 1: he can't find the zone with that splitter, Finnegan can
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  Speaker 1: get himself into trouble. So I'm feeling pretty good about
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  Speaker 1: Jansen here. I think he's kind of re established himself
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  Speaker 1: as a lower K but like just solid closing option
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  Speaker 1: the way that like these Hall of Fame closers kind
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  Speaker 1: of morph into at the end of their careers. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm moving Kenley up to I mean, he's gonna teeter,
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  Speaker 1: honestly on like a back end of top ten closer
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  Speaker 1: for me because of the situation Detroit. And then when
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  Speaker 1: we get into this reliever discussion, I think you'll see
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  Speaker 1: lots of fluid situations that I feel pretty good about
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  Speaker 1: Kenley's staying at top of that tiger step trot.
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  Speaker 3: Personally, yeah, I can't, I say I can't disagree with you,
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  Speaker 3: like because I did, but like, yeah, I get where
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  Speaker 3: you're coming from. I think it's just one of those
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  Speaker 3: that I just don't know if the wheels will stay on.
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  Speaker 3: And maybe the basic way to look at this is
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  Speaker 3: its price dependent, right, and you know, based on the
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  Speaker 3: rumors and the murmurs of the time, like if Itigan's
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  Speaker 3: cheap and free, take them. If Jansen's getting maybe falling
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  Speaker 3: down the charts and you're seeing him as like a
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  Speaker 3: top twenty or top twenty five pricing, like he's in
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  Speaker 3: that kind of murky area, he's a good bet, then right,
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  Speaker 3: I just don't think I can in good faith put
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  Speaker 3: him in that like Ryan Helsley type, you know, back
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  Speaker 3: top ten for me that has the job, has the
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  Speaker 3: job locked down, and I think it's going to rebound.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: You could argue, you might be able to argue that
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  Speaker 3: Jansen is a better pitcher. I just think that the
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  Speaker 3: situations are a little bit different.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So part of the reason that reliever landscape
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  Speaker 1: is such a mess is because Robert Suarez signed with
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  Speaker 1: the Atlanta Braves over the past week, and so he
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  Speaker 1: is going to be setting up, most likely for Riis
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  Speaker 1: Iglesias there, who is on a one year deal. I think, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: this is a little bit of like a future signing
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  Speaker 1: for the Braves. It's a strange one to lock in
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  Speaker 1: your closer for twenty twenty seven like this, that they're
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  Speaker 1: paying him like that because it is a three year,
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  Speaker 1: forty five million dollar contract. Suarez coming off of a
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  Speaker 1: great season forty saves sixty nine and two thirds innings
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  Speaker 1: two ninety seven ERA with a nine point seven canine,
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  Speaker 1: So he deserved to close a role and I thought
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  Speaker 1: he was going to get a full time gig, but
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  Speaker 1: this wipes him off the board. So how far does
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  Speaker 1: Suarez go down to the draft board for you? Is
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  Speaker 1: he still even on it with this, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: Rysoglesias was shaky last season, but it does look like
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  Speaker 1: he has been re anointed to that role in Atlanta
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  Speaker 1: for now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think he drops into that really
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  Speaker 3: really solid setup man territory, so like it's strong handcuff
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  Speaker 3: territory here for me, because I do think Glacias has
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  Speaker 3: the role.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he was spotty.
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  Speaker 3: Here and there, but at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: like he's year after year after year, Glacias has figured
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  Speaker 3: it out and made it happen. So I think he
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  Speaker 3: has that full run. I do think that Suarez is
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  Speaker 3: one of the absolute best setupmen. And so if something
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  Speaker 3: was to happen trade or an injury or something like that,
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  Speaker 3: performance falls off, you don't want Sores out on the
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  Speaker 3: waiver wire. You want him in in your on your roster.
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  Speaker 3: So especially if you have a glaciers. You want that
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  Speaker 3: that handcuff there, So I'm with you. I thought he
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  Speaker 3: was gonna sign. I thought he's gonna be a closer.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of signings that happened this last few days,
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  Speaker 3: and I thought, like, hey, outside shadow of a closer
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  Speaker 3: with the closer closer. But it's kind of the rich
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  Speaker 3: getting richer type of scenario here for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can't blame Suarez when somebody throws forty
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  Speaker 1: five million dollars in front of you as a reliever,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta strike when the iron's hot there.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, but I.
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  Speaker 3: Do think this is an opportunity in like dynasty leagues
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  Speaker 3: things like that, like kick him up for cheap and
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  Speaker 3: then you're just you're inheriting closure the next year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a good point.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into the myriad of other reliever signings
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  Speaker 1: that we have out there, because wow, it was a
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  Speaker 1: lot and a lot that happened, honestly, just over like
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  Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours. I think partly because like
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  Speaker 1: the domino started to fall. Once you're in the negotiations
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  Speaker 1: for some of these relievers and one of them goes
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  Speaker 1: off the board, you know you have to strike and
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  Speaker 1: pick up the next one before he disappears as well.
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  Speaker 1: So we've alluded to this a few times I think
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  Speaker 1: so far in the offseason. But the closer and saves
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  Speaker 1: landscape is an absolute mess for twenty twenty six right now.
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  Speaker 1: If you're playing five by five standard roto and especially
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know people are gonna be start doing
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  Speaker 1: draft champions and stuff over the holidays because you know
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  Speaker 1: they've got the time and there are so many unsettled,
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  Speaker 1: fluid situations out there. So I'm gonna rattle through all
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  Speaker 1: these signings. Then we'll kind of fall back up see
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  Speaker 1: if any of them pop out to you because you
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  Speaker 1: think that there's a better chance for saves than any
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  Speaker 1: other situations, or just kind of overall thoughts on any
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  Speaker 1: other landing spots, because I think the guys I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: go through none of them are probably like the de
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  Speaker 1: facto closer where they're at, but you're gonna start drafting
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  Speaker 1: them that way because they could be you know that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when the season starts in late March, they
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  Speaker 1: might be in a setup or seventh inning role technically,
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  Speaker 1: but these are the type of guys where in June
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  Speaker 1: they get into the world. Then they put up twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five staves. You've got to be prepared for that,
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  Speaker 1: especially in any of those dcs or draft and holds
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  Speaker 1: or anything like that. So here we go, first one
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  Speaker 1: Luke Weaver to the Mets, Brad Keller to the Phillies,
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  Speaker 1: Chris Martin back to the Texas Rangers, Alexis Diaz also
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  Speaker 1: landing in Texas. We have Jordan Romano going to the Angels.
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  Speaker 1: We also have Drew Palmeran's going to the Angels, Jason
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  Speaker 1: Foley to the Giants, Gregory Soto to the Pirates which
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  Speaker 1: was announced last week but signed in the interm so
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  Speaker 1: I put him back on the list. And then probably
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  Speaker 1: the most shocking one of fat contract three years to
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Rodgers to the Blue Jays. But once you look
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  Speaker 1: at those career stats for Tyler Rodgers, he will kind
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  Speaker 1: of re configure maybe what your thoughts on him are,
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  Speaker 1: but honestly still might find himself into some safe situations
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  Speaker 1: given what we saw from Jeff Hoffman in Toronto. There all, right, of.
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  Speaker 2: That one, two, three, four, five, six, eight.
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  Speaker 1: Nine pack of signings that I just threw at you,
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  Speaker 1: any of them stand out too?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's definitely there's huge talent there right,
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  Speaker 3: And there's a number of guys here that I thought,
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  Speaker 3: I really thought that we're gonna be closures on other teams.
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  Speaker 3: I'm thinking Luke Weaver, Brad Keller. I thought both of
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  Speaker 3: those guys had high chances to land with somebody like
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  Speaker 3: the Marlins or maybe San Francisco or Arizona or something
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  Speaker 3: like that and be the de facto closer that just
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  Speaker 3: didn't happen. So like they're they're dropping down draft boards.
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  Speaker 3: Not only did they sign in a spot where it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of like the Robert Swarre situation, but they are
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  Speaker 3: a stepped down from Brothers Suarez and they're behind absolutely
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  Speaker 3: lockdown closures that that hurts them. The two guys that
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  Speaker 3: I think jump out with the most potential for saves,
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  Speaker 3: and to be very clear, I'm not like excited about
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  Speaker 3: either of these is Alexis Diaz. With early reports seemed
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  Speaker 3: like he might be like the slightly de facto closer
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  Speaker 3: in Texas, and he's got a little that background. He's
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  Speaker 3: before you know, the Dodgers seem to invest like there's
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  Speaker 3: a little there that seems like he might be like
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  Speaker 3: the dart throw for the Rangers that are making here,
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  Speaker 3: but he scares of the Jesus out of me, So like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not investing in it, but I think if you're
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  Speaker 3: desperate for saves, he's he's the best bet there. And
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  Speaker 3: but I'm saying the odds of him being the closure
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  Speaker 3: is not probably above fifty percent. It's just there's like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, three or four other guys there that are
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  Speaker 3: probably in the ten to twenty percent. So so Alexis
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  Speaker 3: Dias the Rangers, if you're if you're picking a guy
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  Speaker 3: that you want to be the closer, might have those saves.
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  Speaker 3: He's probably my betting favorite on the list. And my
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  Speaker 3: second one is Tyler Rogers, and that's just because of
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  Speaker 3: how shaky we we saw the situation in Toronto be,
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: you know, not just with Hoffman, but like the rest
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: of the bullpens seemed to struggle. And Rogers absolutely does
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: not have the profile of a closure like this is
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: like just dreadful for you know, a profile of closure
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: just doesn't look like it. But I think he's one
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: of those that ends up being like the most trusted
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: guy in that bullpen, and you might see him just
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: sneak into a handful of saves here because they get
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: in a situation the world they're like, you put Hoffman in,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: they pull Hoffin out, and here comes here comes Syler Rogers.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: And so I think that's the guy that is like
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: the dark horse here and might actually be a little
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: bit more intriguing as the season wears on. But he, again,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: he doesn't have the lockdown closer stuff, So I think
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: it's really hard to project that. I think he's the
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: kind of guy that ends up with five or ten
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: saves just because he, you know, it's situationally ends up
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: in that position. So the bigger thing for me is
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: there's a heck of a lot of closure jobs still
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: up for grabs. I thought, we're gonna be taken by
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: a lot of these names. And you want to go
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: to Miami, you want to go to like well still Texas,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: you go to the Athletics, you go to the Diamondbacks, Giants,
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: even the Nationals, White Sox, the Twins, the Cardinals. Like,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: there's a number of teams here that do not have
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: a clear closer, and that is about a third of
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: the league. And that's gonna create massive chaos in the
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: fantasy world.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so, I do want to shout
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: out Jason Foley because it's been a little while since
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: we've seen him in a closer role, but that San
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Francisco bullpen is pretty weak. The other person I want
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: to shout out he didn't sign, But I think the
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: reason he didn't is because some of those landing spots
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: you've talked about. He's probably a negotiation and that's why
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Texas pulled the trigger on Diaz and Martin. Texas's reliever
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: from last year, Seawn Armstrong was nails down the stretch
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna get one of those real jobs.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: So if you're looking at somebody in draft and holds
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: to maybe put into your draft queue now before he
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: signs and you get a late saves option or a
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: slave's option now where it's gonna the draft price is
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: gonna maybe boost hundred hundred and fifty picks after he
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: gets signed, Sean Romstrong, that's gonna be I think a
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: great pick. And then also, happy birthday Tyler Rodgers.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: It is his birthday.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Did on the seventeen Oh.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: I didn't say that was fangraft page. It is, yeah,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: thirty five years old.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I was on a savant page looking because his quality
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: of contact is just so he gets He just gets
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: duck snort after duck snort, with that weird delivery that
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: you know. It's a funky profile and not great if
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: you're in like a K nine league, But if you're
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: in a situation where you just need ratios, he puts
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: them up.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: He's a holds league king.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Yes absolutely. But yeah, he had the little birthday present
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: on his page on Savant today, So once again, happy
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: thirty fifth birthday, Tyler Rodgers. Okay, let's get back into
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: some more signings. Next one we have is in New York,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: where the Mets inked Jorge Polanco to a two year,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: forty million dollar contract. Now, Polanco had a great season
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: last year with the Mariners. Twenty six homers, seventy eight rabies,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: two sixty five three twenty six four to ninety five
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: slash line, a career best throwing out the five game
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: sample when he was a rookie, a career best one
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: thirty two WRSC plus, and although he's never played any
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: in his life outside of I think he played like
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: one out there. First base is where it looks like
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: he's going to be destined to play with the Mets.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Or a Polanco or DH He has been such a
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: solid switchy hitter that it could work, and the defense
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: has been pretty gnarly now for quite a while. As
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: you know, he's tried to play short second, third base
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: in his career before. But now he's thirty two, gonna
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: be a piece of the New York Mets, replacing the
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: pie Alando production. What do you think about Polanco landing
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: in New York is do you think he can put
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: up another season like last year? Did you like the
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: games that he showed or was a flash in the
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: planet pan Fluke?
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I this this is not a replacement
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: for Pee Alonzo. Let's let's be very clear about that.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I did like a little of the growth that we
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: saw last year, but it felt a little bit more
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: like the career year type scenario, which again wasn't really
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: a career year. He's had better seasons, but it's been
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: about five years. But he did make some significant improvements
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: at the plate and got back to kind of what
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: he was when his kind of heyday with the with
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: the twins, and so I think that there's a possibility
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: that he carries this forward, but I'm I'm still projecting
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: him his like a twenty homer bat, maybe seventy runs,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: eighty five RBIs in a little bit better ballpark. I
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: just I don't see the significant growth. Like he again,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: better profile, last year, better played, approach, things were better.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: I just think when you start to look at what
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: the New York tax is going to be on him
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: from a fantasy perspective, and you're a first baseman, expectation
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: that you gotta put up all these big numbers, I
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: just I don't know that that's gonna happen. So I'm
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: a little a little sour here on horror, just because
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I think the price is going to reflect last year
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: plus growth and I think it's last year, but diaversion
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: is more likely what we're gonna land up. So again,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I he could repeat last year, I think it's gonna
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: be a little bit less than that. Maybe a few
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: more accounting stats because maybe gets a law fuller season,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: but it's been five years since he got more than
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: hundred fourty games, so that might be pushing it.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's all fair. I guess it'll be
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: interesting to see where his price kind of falls and drafts,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: But I mean he's a viable starting second basement and
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: my option. It's just kind of don't pay up for
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: more than I think.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I think that's where it's like, yeah, I don't. He's viable,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: but he's not like the guy exactly.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's get into our next signing, as we're
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: gonna stay in the NL East. Outfielder a Dolely scar
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Seas signed a one year deal ten million dollars with
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Phillies, where looks like he's gonna be the
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: starting right fielder, and even Dombrowski, I think said over
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: the past couple of days that the starting outfield was
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: going to be Brandon Marsha left, Justin Crawford in center,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: so that's gonna be a big boon for stolen bases
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: out there, and then a Doley Scarcia in right field.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: As There's it's no secret that they want to get
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: rid of Nick Castianos, and there's no way they're going
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: to get anything back from him because it's very obvious
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the Phillies are just gonna cut him here before they
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: get into spring training, and no team needs to actually
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: give up anything other than signing Castianos after he gets cut.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Really really difficult season for a Dolas Garcia last year
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: where I mean, this guy was a star two years ago,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: led the Texas Rangers to that World Series victory, and
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: now is coming off of a season with an eighty
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: three WRC plus a two twenty seven, two seventy one,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: three ninety four slash line. Never great to see the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: slug below four hundred for a guy that's a slugger
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: like this, nineteen homers, thirteen stolen bases, one hundred and
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: thirty five games. The plate approach has been atrocious for
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Dolas Garcia, where it's just worked back into kind of
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: why he bounced around the league and kind of was
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: cut by the Cardinals, and I believe he was also
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: waived at one point by Philadelphia, like when he was
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: kind of bouncing around rosters too. But better situation in
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: terms of lineup in ballpark here for Garcia. Do you
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: think there's a chance he could bounce back in twenty
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: twenty six.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I'm having a hard time to see that. Like I
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: do think it's a better ballpark. I do think it's
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: a better situation. I do think he's got value because
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: you know, into today's day and age, like he's if
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: he's hitting two thirty two thirty five, and he's stealing
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: you know, ten to fifteen bases, and he's hitting twenty homers,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: and he's staying healthy enough to put up geese and
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: counting stats like that's that's a valuable you know, four third,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: fourth outfielder type of thing, and so there's something to
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: like there, But I just don't see him bouncing back
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: to be that like one hundred rbi thirty homer, you know,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: two point fifty monster that he was for like years
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: there in Texas. It seems like he had, like his
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: game just seems like it's aging like five years beyond
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: what he is, and it definitely feels like we're on
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: the downward trend here. So I'm I'm paying last year's
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: numbers and I'm saying that we're probably getting an offset
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: between situation and age curve. Do we end up in
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: a similar situation to twenty five for me?
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: So not a.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Downfall of Garcia here, but I'm looking at him as
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: a back end option.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: For the outfield.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. I think it is like
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: a fifth starter and a twelve teamer where I'm not
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: going to invest too much and he's going to be
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the first guy who gets jettisoned if there is somebody
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: who is breaking out early in camp or breaking out
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: early in the season, because I think, yeah, you're pretty
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: much gonna be in the range of like twenty homers,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: ten Storlem bases and very low by patting hamrhickch for
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Dolis Garcia, I just don't see it really bouncing back
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: with the plate approach, and you can just see it
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: breaks down further and further the older they get. So
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I think we're relatively on the same page there.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Next signing we have is Hasiung Kim re signing in
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Atlanta after I mean, he had turned down an option
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: that we both thought he was going to pick up,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and we're kind of perplexed why he didn't because it
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: worked out for him one year twenty million dollars from
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: of the Braves to reprove himself. He had a rough
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: season last year. It was only forty eight games and
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: an eighty two WRC plus with the Rays and the Braves,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: mostly because he was working his way back from a
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: gnarly off season shoulder surgery. From twenty twenty four to
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. This should be a guy where I
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: mean Steamer has him set for about a two forty
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: five average, fourteen homers, twenty three stone bases. Also, just
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: this is a fun signing from like a non fantasy perspective,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: because one he reunites with his best friend Jerkson Profar
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: back down in Atlanta to the the Braves like immediately
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: announced Bobblehead Night for has Sun Kim right after signing him,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: So they had it he was gonna be back in Atlanta.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I think, no matter what, that's probably why he turned
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: down the option and knew that he had this twenty
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: million dollars on the table to reprove himself should be
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: the full time shortstop in Atlanta. There's nothing else coming
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: for him in that system. You know, they had Riso
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: du Bond slated there as they. Nick Allen played shortstop
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: pretty much all of last year for the Braves after
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Orlando Rcia left for Colorado. So here we've got an
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: intriguing name who you know you look at back at
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, twenty twenty three was a stolen base
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: fiend for us in fantasy. What are you doing with
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Hastin and Kim going into twenty twenty six and do
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: you think that there is a chance he finds a
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: little bit of that power stroke that he had back
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: in KBO because the shoulders fixed another year.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I really like how some Kim going
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: into twenty twenty six. A big part is I think
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: the price is gonna be pretty low. This sign he
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: might impact it a little bit because they they give
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: him a pretty hefty pay ding.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: But I do think that he's a guy that.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Kind of fell off radars last year and really even
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: when he was kind of getting healthy, people weren't really
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: giving him a whole lot of runway. And you know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: the intangible for me beyond just like look at what
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: he's done in his history. He'll he's a ten to
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: fifteen homeer guy, twenty to thirty stolen bases, hit two fifty. Like,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: I think you can lock that in and I think
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: you can easily put that as a middle infielder or
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of the back of the back of
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: the lineup for you know, a shortstop pretty easily in
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: my book. But the Braves are a very well respected
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: organization for talent development and talent identification, and the fact
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: that they like traded for this guy or picked him
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: up not even trade for him, just picked him up,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: willing to pay the whole the whole bill, offered him
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: the the option, and then really went in then and
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: resigning from even more in free agency tells me that
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: they believe in him a heck of a lot, or
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: also had a massive hole in the lineup. Both can
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: be true, and so I look at all of that,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: like Sigence point to, like there's a lot of upside here,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: and he's always been a guy, like I said, I
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: had more power in the KBO, did great steiling bases,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: and it's not hard to imagine they co a twenty
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: thirty season or even a twenty forty season just creeping
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: out with a little bit of luck. Because he has
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: great plate discipline. I think people forget that, Like he
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: gets on base, he does all these little things right
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: and is a good glove like all those things play.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: So I think he's gonna be a sneaky, sneaky good
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: value this year for fantasy owners.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too, And we could see those
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: counting stats really take a boost because this Atlanta lineup
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: is pretty dangerous, I think, and it's gonna be a
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: really tough contender for the NL East because on top
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: of it, they've got a lot of pitching stacked up too,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: so it's gonna be fascinating to see what that offense
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: can do that they're home and back at full force
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: with Ron zu Kunya back. Okay, next signing, let's go
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: to a frosty Minnesota because everybody's least favorite corner infield
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: option for fantasy. Josh Bell signed a one year deal
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: to play first base there. They had an opening, I
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: mean it was occupied by Cody Clemens, who was getting
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: some chatter for like, you know, if he could run
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: all the way through with that first base job in Minnesota,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: considering the qualifications he has position eligibility wise, that would
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: have been nice. But Josh Bell is I mean, this
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: is the most steady profile over the past five years.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: It's like a one ten. It's steady and boring. It's
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: like a one ten WORC plus two fifty average twenty
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: homers and like sixty five ish runs and seventy five
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: ish RBI. Although I did notice this in the second
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: half of last year because he cropped up when I
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: was doing lots of work for my Waiver Wire column
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: that he was hot in the second half of last
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: year where he put up a pretty solid fifty six
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: games with eleven homers and two sixty seven average. I
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: mean probably won some leagues out there because first base
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: was just such a black hole that Josh Bell was
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: a very serviceable player for fantasy down the stretch. What
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: are you doing with him? Is he still that boring
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: last ditch corner infield option or did that second half
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five show you maybe Josh Bell might
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: be finding what we always had hope for him.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not there for the second piece. I think Josh
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Bell's a streaky hitter. I think things can go well
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: for a while and they can go poor for a while.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: And you know, we're basically like four straight years of
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: the same exact guy, and moving from Washington to Minnesota
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: is not much different from a ballpark or a lineup perspective,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Like I think you can chock it up to like
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: this is the exact same guy gonna happen again now
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: said He's a very very intriguing, like reserve round kind
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: of guy. Like if you kind of punt the position
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: because things don't go well for you in the draft
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: and you fall back onto Josh Bell, like there's there's
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: way worse fallbacks, And I think that's what actually is
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: intriguing about him is that you know, some things don't
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: work out for you in the draft, and you're gonna
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: rely on this guy while other things happen, and if
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: you have to cut him later, no big deal. But
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: he's not gonna, like entirely sink you because he's gonna,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: you know, set and he delivers some productions.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: So I'm not excited.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not targeting him, but like if he ends up
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: on my team because I made a mistake on the draft,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not too mad about it.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm right there with you. So I think,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: especially if you're in a draft and whole situations, it's
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: not a bad idea because he's gonna play some first
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: base and c I for you at some point during
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: the season when you run into injuries. Okay, we're gonna
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: stick in the Al Central. Because Lane Thomas signed with
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: the Kansas City Royals, and I don't know what it
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: is about the Royals and just never wanting to field
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: any outfielder just but they're doing it again and Lane
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Thomas is entering the NIX, which forces us to talk
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: about him for fantasy. He's thirty years old, coming off
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: a terrible, terrible season forty eight WRC plus over thirty
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: nine games that he was just really banged up. But
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: do remember in twenty twenty four between Washington and Cleveland,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: he stole thirty two bases. Twenty twenty three was a
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: crazy breakout year, twenty eight homers, twenty stolen bases, one
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: hundred and one runs. Any hope here for Lane Thomas
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: in Kansas City. I know, I'm sorry.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: I just don't see it like I mean, we have
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: discussions about him when he was in Washington and how
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: terrible this was going to be when he left Washington,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: and then he went to Cleveland and it was exactly
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: what we expected. And I don't think anything's anything different.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Like he had a few years where things worked out
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: really well for him, the kind of middling profile on
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: a team that was kind of up and coming, but
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: more of a volume play and didn't care if he
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: got thrown out while running worked really well. But again,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: this is a guy they got thrown out fourteen times
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: in the twenty twenty fourth season will stealing bases. That's
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: just not ideal. And then what a shocker when he's
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: on a different team. He didn't run because he's not
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: a good stealing bases, and so when you do that
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: and your power's kind of dropped off, your polate discipline
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: is kind of dropped away, like there's not much left.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: So yeah, maybe maybe I'm wrong, maybe comes back, But
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: like I have pretty high confidence here that Lane Thomas
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: is not even worth rostering in fantasy leagues.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm right there with you, even in
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: ale only like it. I think it can hurt you
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: more than it could help you at the end of
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: the day because he's just kind of hanging out on
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: your roster. All right, let's talk about another guy who
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: might be in that vein to see whether or not
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: you are in on this transaction or your quittnam Our.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Saint Louis Cardinals signed Dustin May, who slots is the
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: number two starter right now in that rotation. It was
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: a rough season last year, one hundred and thirty two
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: and a third innings between the Dodgers and the Red
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Sox with a four to ninety six RA, a four
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: eighty eight FIP, a ground ball rate that disintegrated on
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: him from I mean, he didn't pitch any of twenty
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: twenty fours. He's recovering from Tommy John. But that was
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: kind of the one thing you could rely on with
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Dustin May was just the turbo sinker. Limited number of
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: homers at his peak, you know, twenty twenty and twenty
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: twenty one or a little fluky in that aspect. But
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: this guy with all the arms and the legs six
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: six one eighty and you know, twenty pounds of that
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: one eighty is in his curly red hair that it
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: looks fun when it's working. But we haven't seen it
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: very often. I will say I am encouraged that he
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: put up one hundred and thirty two innings last year
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to show that he was healthy. Twenty eight years old,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: lands in a great ballpark with the Saint Louis Cardinals,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: should have a solid defense behind him, a pretty decent
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: pitching organization. You taking any dart throws on Dustin May.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: I have a hard time taking dart throws in estimate, Like,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, he can be electric.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: We've seen it before, but he's had so many injury issues.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: I just we didn't see it last year, even the
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty some innings and I think that's
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: where I'm a little little nervous. I think this is
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: a brilliant move for the Cardinals because they have nothing
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: to lose, and also one of the funniest contract designs
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: if you've actually looked at it. The fact that he
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: has a musual option for twenty million the next year
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: is the absolute last thing will ever be exercised on
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: either side because if he does well enough to justify
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: that for the team, he's going to the market. If
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: he doesn't, team's like that, that's never gonna happen. So
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: I just thought that was hilarious.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: But she's dealt in. The new team's not accepting that anyway. Yeah,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: exactly any good Saint Louis is sending him right out
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: the door.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Exactly, But so brilliant move with them because it's a
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: it's a low risk, hy reward type situation. But Saint
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Louis has also not shown that they can really develop
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: the young pictures at this point, and I don't think
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: he's going to come in there and all of a
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: sudden change things are now. So I think he's a
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: watch guy for me. We know that the talent's been
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: there in the past, but even for a guy that
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: likes the injured pictures that had all the histories he's
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: in that like Walker Buehler, Shane McClanahan kind of discussion
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: for me of like, this guy once was amazing, but
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: I have no idea what I'm getting, so I probably
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: should sit on the sidelines.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree, And I mean this guy is
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: just I mean it's almost like Miles Michaelis or Andre Polante.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: It's just not a great profile with enough strikeouts, enough
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: upside right now that if he does find old Dustin May,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: like from three injuries ago or whatever, then maybe, But
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: until then, I mean you're gonna stream him at home
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: against the Pirates and stuff when we get into the
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: fantasy season.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: But that's the use case.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, give me twenty twenty two to twenty twenty one
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Dustin May.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I'm all, I'm game.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, Okay. Well, we've got another picture to talk about,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: and this one is a returnee back from the NPB
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Forrest Griffin, who used to be with the Royals in
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the Blue Jays before going over to MPB and pitching
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: with Tokyo I believe the Giants, right, and so he
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: had a fantastic season an eighty eight K nine over
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: seventy eight innings with a one to sixty two RA
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: solid ground ball right round forty nine percent. And this
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: is a guy who I mean, he signed a one year,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: five and a half million dollar contract with the Nationals.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: He's a lefty.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Southpaw thirty years old. Should be getting a chance at
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: the rotation because he kind of, like everybody else, has
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: kind of picked up a new retool of arsenal while
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: he's been over there. But we do also need to
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: keep in mind as we're looking at some of these
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: stats coming across that in Japan, they're going through a
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: foul period of offensive production. So I don't know if
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: it's the ball or just the league overall and the
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: dynamic as you know, better and better hitters have been
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: coming over from Japan back back to America and MLB,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: but it is a very much pitching environment. Even with
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: that said, Steamer has him slated for one hundred and
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: forty three innings as of a three ninety two e RA.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: A little bad that is because of mixing in relief
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: versus starting, but that would make him a serviceable starter
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: for fantasy overall. You know, maybe like a seven and
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: a half k nine, but still you'll get the job done.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: And like I said, you'll stream that against like the
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Marlins or something. Are you interested in Griffin for that
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: purpose or do you think there's more or less here?
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: I think this is a really sneaky fun one that
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: there might be more because we're talking about he did
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: have three seasons of strong results over overseas, and you
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: know he had a little injury issues this last year.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: But we're talking full twenty start seasons, which is what
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: you get over there e ras basically three and under
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: and even the underlying stats showing they should have been
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: better like low two's and they get again this this
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: last year with one sixty two e RA supported by
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: one seventy eight. So like it looks good, walks are
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: are low, keeps smalling the ground. You know. Really the
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: biggest reason he's not getting like the Cody Ponce kind
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: of excitement is.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: He doesn't throw as hard. He's more of a control guy.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: He's more of a kind of a picture on the
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: edge of skuy But like gives me like diet Shane
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Bieber vibes to a degree, And I think you know
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: he's gonna be in Washington people are gonna be come
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: down on that because of that, which, yeah, from a
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: wins perspective, not gonna help him.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: But I think this is a.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Guy that you might get sneaky surprised and he might
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: end up providing some good some good value, good ratios
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: that kind of bolsters a back end of a rotation.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: From a fancy perspective, It's kind.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Of like the Nathan and Valdis story before last year
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: of how he's just valuable and you can just keep
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: plugging him in for a low cost.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that he's gonna, you know, break the
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: bank and he's be the next big thing, but I
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: think Foster Griffin could bring a mid to high threes
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: era and he could you know, maybe seek out ten wins,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: maybe eight k per nine type of thing and a
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: low whip. So I think there's value there kind of
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: at the back of a rotation, and I think it's
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: going to be pretty gush, aren't cheap?
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's going to be a wide left arsenal
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: that I think that there's going to be quite a
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: bit of viability for him, where I think almost like
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: a not last year in tr Heeny, but maybe like
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: two years ago Andrew Heeny, where you know somebody who's
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: on the fringe of a twelve teamer something where it's
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: a little more dependable on a fifteen teamer. But yeah,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: he's going to have plenty of use cases out there
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Forrest Griffin, so I'm certainly starring him. I also was
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: pro Anthony k last week, so you knew I was
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: going to be pro Forrest Griffin.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Basically, we will take any picture that is a four
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: way through Japan.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like it. Maybe it's a something that
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: we need to check.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: This is your I take the injured guys. You just
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: take the guys that pitched overseas.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Be it.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that might be a little bit of what we're
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: working with. Okay, well, let's talk about one more signing
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: another pitcher who's going to be kind of on that
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: fringe that we've talked about with May and Griffin. Here
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: we're talking Adrian Hauser, who signed a two year, twenty
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: two million dollars deal with a club option with the
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: San Francisco Giants. Should anchor the back actually, I mean
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: he's slate as the number three starter or not right now,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: so maybe not the back end. Maybe the solid middle
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: for the Giants. It was a pretty solid season for Houser,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: who especially for the White Sox the two ten era
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: sixty eight and two thirds innings with a six and
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: two record. It came out of nowhere. They flipped him
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: at the deadline to the Rays, where he regressed, but
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the overall kind of profile stayed right in the wheelhouse.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: What you're looking for from Adrian Hauser, which is kind
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: of like a four low four FIP and you know,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: strikeouts that hover around seven and you're just kind of
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: working the outs to be able to grind out some
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: innings and wins. I love the landing spot here for
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: San Francisco because he's an automatic streamer at home every time.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: But other than that, maybe not useful, but still that's
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: got utility and fantasy.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was thinking, you know, an i'll only streamer
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: situation is what you have here. He doesn't he's not
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: the strikeout guy enough to and he's not going to
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: go deep up in games to really bring a lot
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: of other value. But to your point, situational things like that,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: he's not going to also be a guy that blows
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: up on you, which is to say something, so I, yeah,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: spot start those kind of things, but not a whole
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: lot more here.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, we've got a couple of trades to
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: talk about, so let's get into them, because I think
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: we've actually this is where there's more at Fantasy intrigued
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: than maybe anything else but the relievers we've talked about,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: because this first trade, this is a fascinating trade, I
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: think overall, when it broke through the waiver wires, or
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: not the waiver wires, the news wires. As the Brewers
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: and the Royals met up to trade from Milwaukee, Isaac Collins,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: who you know, just came off of a great campaign
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: for them, finished fourth I believe in the National League
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year voting, and came out of nowhere,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: was a Rule five pick from the Rockies, and played
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: plenty for the Brewers, a one to twenty two WRC
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: plus over one hundred and thirty games, sixteen stolen bases,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: two sixty three, three sixty eight, four to eleven slash line,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: but really really faded down the stretch. He's a switch hitter.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: The Royals are already kind of saying they're going to
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: use him a lot like Whitt Mirorfield. He came up
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: as an infielder, so outfield infield option and mostly probably
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: outfield because we just mentioned the Royals having one of
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the worst outfields out there. He went over to Kansas
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: City with Nick Meers, who should be a middle reliever.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: No big kind of discussion points there. The interesting thing
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: was here the return from Kansas City to Milwaukee, it
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: was just straight up for lefty on hell. Zerpa, who
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: has been hanging around now with the Royals for a
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: handful of years, still twenty six years old, been exclusively
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: a reliever, well not exclusively. They start a few games
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: and I think some of those are openers, but mostly
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: relieving for the Royal since twenty twenty one. And it's
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: an interesting profile, I will say, because mostly I want
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: to focus on Zerpa. It was a solid season out
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: of the pen for him for eighteen rat over, sixty
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: four and two thirds innings, five and two record, and
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: eight K nine. But you actually look at it's a
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: great ground ball rate. The stuff is fantastic, The slider
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: and sinker great. The fastball is just kind of a
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: get me over fastball, but the slider and sinker are nasty.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Brewer's already talking about converting Zurpa into a starter. He
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: is going to turn twenty seven late next year, so
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: he's right in kind of like this window of this
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: is the type of player that the Milwaukee Brewers just
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: convert into like a number two starter out of nowhere.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: They've been doing this for years. That's why I'm interested
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: here in because I think he could be like a
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: pretty solid starter with like an upper three es RA
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: and an eight k per nine. Just I know I'm
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: putting a lot of faith in Milwaukee's pitching development here,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: but they just gave up a pretty nice little package
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: to get Zurpa, and I don't think that that's for nothing.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a this is the hard one and
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: this is where you have to go beyond the numbers.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: So as I look at both both sides here, like
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: I have the same reaction like not too exciting, Collins,
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: maybe there's a little something you might want to keep,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: you know, pay attention to Zerpa was interesting.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Because why did they do this?
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Why did they pay so much for this middle reliever
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: that's seemingly not like overly exciting, And it's not like
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: they need to save money here.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: This is not what they were doing.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: So it's very interesting to see if this experiment that
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: they seem to want to go on works because he
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: doesn't really have split issues. You know, he's been used
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: against lefties and righties, Like doesn't definitely use a different
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: pitch mixing against him. He's he definitely, uh, you know,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: relies on that sinker pretty heavily against the lefties, not
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: so much on the righties. But like, I have a
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: hard time see like what's really gonna play here. But
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: the Brewers are really good at developing pitchers, They're really
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: good at getting the next thing out of them, and
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: that ground ball rate is just tantalizing. I think that's
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: the thing that plays out. So I'm I'm not not
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: drafting him, but I'm watching him because I think if
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: you know, they really turned they found something here and
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: they make a tweak or two, it's not gonna be
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: the first time that they that they did that and
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: brought somebody out of nowhere.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: So interesting trade.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna sit on the sidelines on this one, but
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: I think zerp But to your point, is the more
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: interesting piece of this one that might be something that
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: we're talking about later in the season of why didn't
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: we see this coming?
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: And I mostly also want to throw it out because,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: like I said, people are gonna start getting into drafting
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: holes and DC's over the next couple of weeks, and
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Zurpa is a great kind of like last to pick
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: dart throw because I think the Brewers are going to
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: find a role for him that he's either going to
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: be a high leverage lefty or a solid rotation piece
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: for them. So he's got the pieces to put it
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: together and hopefully Milwaukee can chart that path for him. Okay,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: last trade we have. It's a swap of minor league pitchers,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: which you don't see this very often, as the Red
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Sox and the Nationals met up in both delt. I
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: think they're both top ten for their individual teams, but
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: different profiles.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Here.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: They traded Luis Perals from Boston to Washington for Jake Bennett,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: so both of these pitchers were actually at the Arizona
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Fall League.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: We discussed.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Jake Bennett just the other week with our friends or
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: I did with our friends Dynasty Baseball Pickups when we
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: went into some of the discussion from the Fall League
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: back in episode one sixteen. So check that out because
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I think you're looking at a pretty much major league
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: ready back to the rotation starter and Jake Bennett, but
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: just the type of picture that you and I like,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: where good ground balls, good control, huge frame where you
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: can certainly see the Red Sox being abill to coax
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: more out of it. Los Paralys goes over to Washington
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: where this dude is a flamethrower, where if he doesn't
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: work as a starter, he's he's a little tiny like
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Pedro Martinez guy, he's six one, one sixty, but wow,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: does he absolutely rip the ball and also sometimes doesn't
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: exactly know where it's going. So certainly higher upset I
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: think for Paralys because like, if he puts it all together,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: the strikeouts, you're looking at double digit K nine, really
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: high end octane stuff, but more likely bound for probably
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: a closer role that like that's the other option is
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: maybe there is nothing in Washington at the back end
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: of that bullpen. Uh, but Bennett's probably got more major
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: league utility because he is closer and that Boston team
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: is really good at pitching development. So what are your
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: thoughts here on Jake Bennett, Lewis Parles and they're landing
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: spots here in Washington and Boston.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this this is a very interesting one
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: because it's too value valuable, but like two legitimate prospects
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: that should deliver major league value this year and they
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: couldn't be further apart in like.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Style and spectrum of what they're going to do.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Bennett is kind of what's seemingly become like the prototypical
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: kind of thing you want to look for in a picture,
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: especially from a lefty, which is control ground balls and
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: a big body. That's kind of what you've been looking for.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: And yeah, the strikeout numbers aren't quite there, but it
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: feels like that's something that can still be developed in
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: these really big lefties over time. And so that one
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: that one's intriguing now being in Boston with that rotation
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: where they just keep bringing everybody in. I'm not I
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: don't know where he breaks through, but this might be
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: more of a little bit long term bullpen arm to
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: start longer relief and then maybe sees how things go.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: But like, this feels like they're kind of Garrett Wit
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: locked in or how kind of like guy that they
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: they really like, and they're gonna make some tweaks too,
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: and then perhaps on the other side, like to your point,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: like I really high variability outcome, but really really nasty
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: and so if he figures something out, then this could
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: be really really fun for the Nationals. But I feel
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: that like it's maybe a thirty percent chance he figures
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: it out. I'm not sure what right number to put
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: on it, but I feel like that's maybe the range
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: that would I would I would go so Ben, it's
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: the safe choice. Prows is the sexy, fun and exciting piece,
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: and I'd probably take be all day.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, they're both on the forty man
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: rosters for their team, so I think they're both gonna
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: have twenty twenty six Fantasy impact. It's just a matter
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: of when and where that happens both guys. I'm definitely
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: keeping tabs on during spring training just to see how
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: they're being used by their teams and where they're stacking
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: up in terms of rotations and bullpen spots, because I think,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: like I said, great arms both of them.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: I like both of them.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: It's just a matter of kind of where the use
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: cases on their new teams.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's get.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: A little bit into the baseball card calendar, because we've
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: had a few updates. First, we are speaking on December
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: seventeenth again as a reminder, and not only did Heritage
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: High Number come out today, but Top's Cosmic Chrome also
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: came out. We love Cosmic Chrome, but we are going
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: to skip talking about it and covering it because woof,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I know, we've been talking about like just some of
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: these products this year being tough investments, and honestly, it's
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: a really really difficult way to kind of forge your
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: forge ahead as a collector because you're writing lottery tickets
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: essentially cosmic chrome, you're not even guaranteed to hit in
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: the box that you're buying secondary market, I think, and
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: it's really the only place you're going to be able
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: to buy it because it's such a popular site. It's
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: going for around five hundred and fifty bucks. But they
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: are gorgeous, gorgeous cards.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: Just stick to the singles market on it though, right, Yeah,
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: just stick to the singles here, like they're gonna be
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, they're gonna be a little more expensive because
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: everybody's trying to recoup what they just spent to pull
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: the base cards here.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: They are fun, they are eclectic. There everything we love
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: about cards takes us back to the nineties all that
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: kind of fun stuff. But yeah, stick to the singles
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: don't don't. Don't be ripping here because it is a
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: lose lose proposition.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Yes exactly.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: And we had Panini Flawless twenty twenty five kind of
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: floating in space for a long time. I think it
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: released today. I didn't check, but the calendar that I
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: looked at yesterday he said it was supposed to drop today.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: It'd been honestly like kind of on our calendar kick
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: around since like July or something. So if you're into.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Panini Flawless, I think it's out today.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Then we've got next week coming out. Tops Black and
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: White Baseball Tops five Star is coming out right before
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: the end of the year on the twenty ninth.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: That just got added.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: And then we had Bowman Draft Tops Museum Collection go
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: on the TBD schedule. As both those pre orders are
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: coming up soon. Good luck getting a Bowman Draft pre
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: order to go through on tops dot com unless you're
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: some sort of wizard at hacking websites, because that stuff
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: disappears fast. Museum a collection a little more attainable, obtainable,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: but that is something that people still will buy out
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: pretty quickly on pre order. But I wanted to throw
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: that out there because I'm impressed at Tops and fanatics
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: and Panini have delivered on the schedule, the ambitious schedule
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: they set up for themselves in December, and so gonna
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: be lots of well maybe not happy when they rip
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: open the box, but happy collectors that got their packages
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: in time for the holidays.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think there's some fun stuff here love five Star,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Love museum collections or some fun things. Flawless is actually
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: just went on the Patini website and doesn't this ys
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: coming soon, So I don't know if they actually got
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: that one out or it's sold out immediately. I'm not
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: quite sure, but it's it is fun, fun number of
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: sets coming out here. We'll get it talk about here
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: in this is the New year rule.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Yesund one day, twenty twenty five Panini Flawless, we will
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: see you in action, but until then we are going
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: to take a quick break. We'll be back after that
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: break to talk about twenty twenty five Tops Heritage High Number.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: All right, welcome back, everybody. We are just going to
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: dive right into it. We're going to talk the release
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five Tops Heritage High Number from TOPS,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: which hit shelves everywhere today Wednesday, December seventeenth. This we're talking,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: so you'll probably be hearing this on a little bit
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: of a delay, but don't worry. This set is available
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: everywhere that it's one of the more affordable ones, which
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I think is kind of nice. It gets back to
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: some of the things we've talked about out positively with
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Tops Holiday that came out a couple months ago, or
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: if you want to go back to episode eighty eight,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: I believe is what it is was when we talked
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: about this year's Top Heritage release, which the way, if
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: you're not familiar with Heritage, there's kind of two sets
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: of it, and the High Number will continue what happened
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: with the Base Heritage, So it's almost like a Series one,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Series two set up. But Tops Heritage they release in
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: the spring. Heritage High Number always comes out right around now,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: kind of the holidays time, and it continues the rest
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: of that series. We're looking this time at a two
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: hundred card set, well two hundred and twenty five card set,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: two hundred base cards, twenty five short prints, and so
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: this kind of mirrors what Tops used to do back
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: in the seventies where they used to short print the
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: higher number heritage, or it wasn't heritage back in the day.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: It was just regular tops back in the day, but
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: they used to short print the high numbers, so it
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: used to be harder to find. And so that's what
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: we're harkening back to with Heritage, and that's what they
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: do both in the spring set and the high number
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: set here in the winter. Same as the set from
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: the spring, we're looking at the nineteen seventy six throwback design,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: which then brings back all of the bi centennial stuff
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: that happened back in nineteen seventy six, just a little
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: bit before our heyday. But if you are familiar with that,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: the bi centennial is the celebration of two hundred years
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: of America from seventeen seventy six. So it's peppered throughout
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: this set is pepper throughout nineteen seventy six tops. I
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: think we've got a fun little release here on our
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: hands for Heritage High Number. What stands out to you
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: as you kind of look at this checklist overall for
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five and just your other kind of thoughts
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: and feelings around tops Heritage and High Number through the years.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you start with just heritag High Number,
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: it's it's always a I want to call it a
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: divisive product, but it's one of those that like either
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: is a big hit or a big miss, Like from
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: a overall value perspective, that it holds because it does
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: really rely on the in of the year rookies meaning something.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: And you can find some Heritage hobby boxes out there
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: for like forty bucks because it's just you're just chasing
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Jared Kllnick and nothing else and you're not really chasing
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: Jared Kellenick. And you know, and I think this one
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: right now is gonna start pretty hot because again the
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: Nick Kurtz market and Nick Kurtz is a short print rookie,
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: and so that's gonna make it leaven a little bit
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: more enticing for folks. But then I just Heritage is
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: a set. I just love the old throwback. It's fun
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: to see the old card designs. I still do love
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: the card stock that they use, like the old stockile
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: card stock. There's just something about that that doesn't have
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: the kind of the same shine and sheen of a
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: of a modern card. So it's just it's just fun
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: because of that, and I've always been a fan of
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: all the kind of oddities of heritage that they like
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: to to sneak in to it, and they again, it's
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: it's not it's not as heavy of a printed set
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: as well. It is more printed that has been but
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: you're not looking at you know, thousands and thousands of
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: pairs and things like that. So overall, I'm actually a
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: fan of a Heritage high number. It is a little
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: bit more affordable. It is something that's fun to rip
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: for for folks. So I think it's something I don't
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: know if i'll jump in this year year, but hey,
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: you know, if you're you get a chance, it's twenty
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: four packs in the box, you're you know, guaranteed an autographer,
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: a relic, guaranteed, quite a few number of chrome cards
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: or parallels, short prints, all those great kind of things.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: So it's it's definitely a product that feels like you
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: get something.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: For for what your pay.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so too. Where you know we're talking,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: these hoppy boxes are about one hundred bucks to pop
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: right now. Honestly, they're still available on tops dot com
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: and they probably will be for a while. Usually Heritage
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: High Number hangs out for a while because, like you said,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: it's not the biggest hits, but you know, it's not
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: bad for the price point, and I think it's also
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: a great kind of set for if you're looking to
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: break back into card collecting, especially given some of the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: prices and other issues that we've run into with tops
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: and fanatics over the past couple of years. One hundred
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: bucks for a hobby box. It's pretty clean and easy.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna feel like you got totally taken on
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: this box when you buy it, because you're gonna get
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: the value. Also, like the Heritage I Number, because of
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: the thicker cards, it feels like a more tangible value.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: But also I would say it's one of the sets
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: where people do put the full sets together they collect it.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: It's a very popular set behind flagships, so it's something
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: where you know, I think this Nick Kurtz card, and honestly,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: all the rookies that are hot in the set are
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: all in the short prints, which is a little bit
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: of a rarity. Usually they haven't done that with High Number,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: but I think those cards do usually age well in
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: terms of market value because Heritage is one of the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: sets where people are like, yeah, that's a good enough
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: rookie card where you know you're not looking at like
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: atops archives or hid or something where it's a little gimmicky.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Heritage has been around now for about twenty five ish years,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: so it's a it's a pretty big staple in the
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: baseball card market. I think the other thing that is
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: intriguing here is that it's a It makes it good
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: for people who are maybe just breaking into collecting. It's
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: a pretty simple checklist that like we've ran into this
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: when we talked about Allen and Ginter the other week,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: where you know, it's a pretty short rainbow if you're
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: doing for the rainbow parallels, and on top of it,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: you know, Alan Ginter is maybe a little crazier on
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: all the inserts and different types of relics and autos.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: It doesn't get more straightforward, I think than actually Top
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Top Heritage. It's a pretty limited insert set. It's a
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: pretty limited range of like relics and autos, and you
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: know pretty quickly I think what you've got when you've
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: got it, and so it's not something where you've got
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: a there are a few you know, short print parallels
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: where you've got to keep an eye on like if
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: it's a flip stock or not, but otherwise you can
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: and feel pretty good that you know you can figure
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: out the set pretty quickly and then be able to
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: get into more complicated sets from there. So I alluded
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: to the parallels hopefully you were prepping. I mean, we
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: don't have the big old like fifty three parallels that
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: we went over from Top's chrumb update last week, where
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: I think you're still recovering from that. But let the
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: people out there know if they're chasing the rainbow for
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Heritagehige number, if they're trying to put together for that
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Nick Kurtz Rookie card, what do they have to put? All?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: So let's start first with our fun base parallels, because
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: we do have two kinds of different sets here. We
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: got the base perils and we got the chrome versions.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: So from a base peril perspective, we have five five
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: total base parallels. We have the dark blue border. These
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: are hobby boxes. You get plenty of them in there.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Print runs probably around twenty eight hundred twenty nine hundred
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: somewhere in there, not numbered. Then you have your bisentennials
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: the leath.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: These are supposed to be numbered.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: They're in the hobby box. Print run about two hundred.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Then you have color of the year cards that are
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: going to be in there. They're out of seventy six.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: Kind of think of it as your Independence Day kind
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: of from your flagship products. Black bordered those are out
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: of fifty. Black borders are typically not numbered. I haven't
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: looked at the set yet, ye aren't. Historically they are
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: not numbered, so this is kind of a sneaky one
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: that catches people by surprise. And then flip stock there
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: are five These are generally out of five. Flip stock
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: is where they actually use the different The card stock
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: on the front of the back is flipped and so
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: it feels a little funny as far as what you
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: are running into. So that's what you have for kind
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: of just the base based checklist, and then if you
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: go to the chrome side of things, you have a
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: little bit more. We have light blue Sparkle which are
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: non numbered. They're one and seven the hobby box, very
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: kind of much like.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: Dark blue border bass parallels.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: You have refractors about six hundred and seventy five print
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: run on those.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Then you get into your numbers.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: You have blue borders out of one to fifty, green
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: borders out of ninety nine, black borders out of seventy five,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: gold borders out of fifty, orange out of twenty five,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: your reds out of five as usual, then your super fractors,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: and it's that simple there. Hobby boxes only that's how
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: you get heritage, and there's one version at each level
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: of rarity, which I actually just love to see that
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: going back, same things apply for your high numbered as
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: they do for your base carge, m chrome and paper
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: parallel perspective, so I was actually even able to give detail.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: I kept my breath. This was fantastic. This was so
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: much easier that has been the past.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, we need the brakes when we can get it.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: And so the other thing to keep in mind is,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: I think if you're going from the full rainbow, you
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: probably also want to tack in on the variations. So
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: what they do with tops heritage is not only do
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: they have like the you know, the flip stock, which
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: I would kind of say is a little bit like
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: this where it's a variation on the normal design, but
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: you've also got you know, the little characters on the front,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: like the cartoons in the nineteen seventy six design, go
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: to rasball dot com to see what we're talking about.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Will be much easier to see when you look at
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: actually the design and look at the cards. I've always
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: got pictures of the cards when we're discussing a checklist
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: with a post on rasball that goes with the rest
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: of the pod. It's also going to be in your
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: show notes if you want a direct link and you
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: don't want to go through the hassle of typing in
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: rasball dot com and finding the post there. But you'll
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: be able to see that. Like the nineteen seventy six
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: design in the lower half of the card, it's got
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: like a little cartoon player on it. There'll be a
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: variation of that. You've got variations on the back in
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: terms of the bats, you've got picture variations, image variations
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: usually like nineteen seventy six is a little different because
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: usually most heritage cards when they go back to seventies,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: the photos they used to use back in the day
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: were just kind of like spring training shots or head shots,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: so you would get image variations where it's an action variation.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: It's a little different with nineteen seventy six because back
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: in or with the nineteen seventy six design, because back
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: when they put those cards together, they actually put together
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: more action shots with that set than they usually did
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: with base Tops. So there's not exactly an action image variation,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: but there are image variations, and then you've also got
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: nickname variations and throwback uniform variations. The nice thing here
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: is if you go to the checklist anywhere for like
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Beckett or Chasing Majors or Tops, it's a limited checklist
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: for those. So you know, I was just talking about
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: this being a simple set, and they just went into
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: all these variations, but it's a limited number of variations.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: You don't have to check every single card for one
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: of these cartoon image variations. You've got the limited list
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: of thirty cards where you know these players could have
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: that cartoon variation, and then you can hone in on
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: those from there. So, like I said, go to rasball
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: dot com see some of these variations. I'll have examples
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: of them so they can look a little bit at
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: what we're talking about. But what do you think about
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: these very because I think that is one of the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: more fun things about Tops heritage and heritage China number.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: What about you. Yeah, I love it. I think it's
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: it's fun.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: It's kind of like a sneaky little insert thing now.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: I mean it used to be back in the day
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: they'd have these in there. They would be front facing
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: in the packs without any detail that they were variations,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: and so it was hard to find them, like it
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: would like you'd have to be searching serial numbers to
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: see if I actually got something like that. They've gone
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: soft on us a little bit. They turn them around
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: backwards of the pack, not all of them, Like I
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: don't think the alternate cartoon actually says anything on the back,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: but like the image variation has a little word image
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: on the back, so you can find them a little
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: bit easier.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Than they want to.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: But I think it's a fun little aspect of this,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: which is like it's not a parallel, but it's a variation,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: and it's for the card hunter in me. I love
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: that aspect of Like I've been at Carter shows. I'm
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: digging through them, like I got this heritage, and I
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: just I see something. It just feels different. I can't
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: explain it, and you're like, what is it about this?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: And you're trying to check the serial number, trying to
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: check if it's a very and usually it's not. Usually
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: you're just wrong, you haven't seen that card. But I
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: do think it just gives a little bit something else
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: to it. And again they're like rare, but they're not
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: terribly rare, but because of the variation, like they're treated
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: probably more sought after the number of the numbered parallels,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: just because people do like to kind of do the
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: rainbow of the player in heritage, not just the the
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: numbered parallels, but they like to include the image variations
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: or the flip bad or the nicknames, all those kind
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: of things within their rainbow. So I think it's fun
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: and I think it's a kind of quirky way that
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: they add value to the product.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. And it also like it harkens
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: back to back in the day of like the seventies
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: and eighties and nineties a little bit where there will
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: be misprints and so these variations especially feel a little
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: bit in the zone of like the misprints, like the
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: no name Frank Thomas is and stuff like that, where
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: it gives you that so sort of feeling. So I
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: think it's fun from that aspect. Okay, let's get into
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: some of the hits that come out of these boxes.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: So first let's start on the autos and relic cards.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Where this is if you're buying one of those hobby boxes,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get one of these, either an auto or
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: a relic, most likely a relic and so and so.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Because the autos, I will say this is one of
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: the more popular portions of heritage and heritage high number
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: is the autos because they are all on card, real
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: autos that you don't run into sticker autos within the
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: heritage sets. And I think it's also really popular that
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: people put together, like the the whole Bass Auto checklist,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of the real ones, and people really work
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: hard on that because it looks beautiful when you get
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: all of them together. The base ones will be in
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: a blue everyone's chasing the red ink ones, which are
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: more limited and numbered and usually hand numbered on the front.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: I think some of the pictures we've got from the
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: PR materials they don't have that hand numbering, so we'll
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: see what surfaces. But I think that's what makes it cool.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: It's always like the same person at tops writing the
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: hand numbering on them. When they are hand numbered from Heritage.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: But this is where it stands out, Like the real
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Ones autograph list here for Heritage high number is loaded
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: with stars, it's loaded with rookies, is loaded with Hall
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: of Famers throwback players. So I mean it's certainly much
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: better than what we're talking about with tops chrome update.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Last week they've also introduced real one autographs of black
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: and white cards, which is all they're not quite all
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Hall of Famers, but they're all stars of the seventies.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: You've also got wax pack autographs and then autograph relics
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: flashback autographs, and you really get into just like the
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: inserts all have their individual autograph parallels, and then the
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: other spot where Heritage signed is. I mean, these are
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: extremely rare, but they are the product hit are the
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: cut signatures, where I will say that this list of
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: cut signatures, if you're not familiar with them, to cut
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: signatures are usually you know, I think they're pretty much
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: always from people who have been deceased because you can't
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: get a new auto from them, so you know, they
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: find a piece of memorabilia or sometimes we've talked about
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: like it's usually a check if it's a baseball player,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: which is kind of funny, cut it out, put it
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: in a card. I would say this is one of
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: the weaker sets that I've seen in a while where
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: you've got four baseball players four celebrities. The baseball players
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: are Catfish Hunter, Gary Carter, Lou Brock, Thurman Munson, so
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: pretty solid from the baseball side. On the celebrity side,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: it's Gerald Ford, Gordie how Marlon Brando, Margaret Thatcher. So
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: it's not exactly the greatest list. Usually you're getting a better,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: more popular and famous president than Gerald Ford, and certainly
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: someone more popular than Margaret Thatcher. So what do you
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: think about these autos? Anything stand out compared to you
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: what you've seen before in heritage or do you just
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: also have more praises to sing for these Real One autos?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: I mean I think it comes back to the Real
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: One autos, like is it's like the catch in this
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: in the set is the red Real One autos you're
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: looking for? I did check well while you were talking there,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: and they are hand numbered this year for high high number.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: There is a Nick Kertz out there on eBay. If
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: you're interested in only twelve thousand dollars, I can get
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: yeah to take a swing for when you get a chance.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: But yeah, Karna breakdown in five month on that.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you don't know.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: Interest rates are high.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: But I think that this is hard.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: They're hard pulls, right, You're you're talking like one in
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: you know, five hundred packs type of thing h for
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: you know, just a red ink Auto one one hundred
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: and twenty four for just a real one auto for
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: And so they are harder to find. But I do
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: feel like the autos, they do a really good job
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: in this set of for the most part, make them
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: guys that you want. There's a few here and there,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: but the names are pretty dusch staring solid in the
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: in the set. Whether it's the all famers, whether it's
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: the you know, the through the Year's relics, whether it's
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: just the base real one autos, they all are pretty
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: much a true hit. When you hit those autos, it's
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: not like your Chrome update where you're you know, cycling
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: through middle relievers that that type of thing. You know, again,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: you might hit markets thatcher and here you are, but
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: it's it's it is a pretty solid checklist. So that's
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: what you're chasing. You're chasing the real one autos. The
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: Cut autos are good. I do think I do actually
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: like the Baseball checklist for the Cut autos this year.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: It's just like from a pure like eclectic group. You
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: can't get much more colllectic than a Hunter versus Gary
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: car versus Lou Brock ver so the Thurman months, and
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: like that's four different sides of some spectrum of those guys.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: Like there isn't like the biggest name, Like you know,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: I would probably argue the Brocks probably the biggest chase there,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: but you know, you don't have like a absolute legend
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: that's that's in there that everybody's chasing. But still, if
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: you pull one of those, you're gonna be absolutely thrilled,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: so loving, loving what we're seeing from the auto side
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: of herriage.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I might be mistaken. It's not like I'm
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: watching this market all the time, but I'm pretty confident
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: that the Munthson Cut auto is pretty rare that I
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: don't think you see a lot of months in autos,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: So that'll be a pretty nice chase there. And so
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: whoever pulls that, that's going to be a big poll.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Let's get into some of the relics because I think
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: even though like we do poo poo the relics, and
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: we kind of make them down trodden, especially because you
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: know they do say game use memorabilia on them, but
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: like who used it is very unknown because what we're
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: looking at here are you're kind of classic like napkin
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: patch autos, your sliver or relics, your napkin patch relics,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: your sliver a bat where unknown kind of where it's
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: coming from. But at the end of the day, it's
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: a cool card because the Clubhouse collection from Heritage always
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: looks great in like the designs from the seventies and
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: sixties that they're using. They pop with a lot of
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: color and they have a good thickness like you've talked about,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: where it doesn't feel like some of the stuff you're
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: getting out of Flagship where you're just like, wow, this
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: is a flimsy card with just like a piece of
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: a retail jersey in it. It feels a little more legit.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: So I've always appreciated that about just the base relics
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: that come out of Heritage is that they've got you know,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: a little more value, it feels like to them. And
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: then you get into some of the cool stuff where
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: this is where I think they're really leaning into some
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: of the Bisonentennial stuff. They've got an entire separate ten
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: card checklist of Bisentennial relics of famous nineteen seventies players.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: And then the Clubhouse Collection has dual relics, triple relics,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: quad relics that are all for I believe they're all
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: for like team themed and they usually include somebody that
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: was big in the seventies and then a modern day
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: player or two. So lots of great kind of hits
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: there for team collectors. Are you in the same vein
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: as me with the Clubhouse Collection relics that you like
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: them or have you felt about them over the years.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly they are one of my favorite relics sets
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: over the years. They've they always have these really classic
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: clean designs. You can always one of the things about
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: heritage and it just goes back to the old tops designs,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: like from a puer like centering perspective, you always can
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: tell like a really well put together card. It's got
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: these great borders and clean lines. And again when we
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: talk about hand numbering, the relics are hand numbered, at
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: least the gold are are hand numbered, so that's I
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: believe they're out of ninety nine at least. Check this
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at says one fifteen print run. But I'm
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: pretty sure if I look at a one posted on
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: eBay right now, it's out of ninety nine at least
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: that's where they hand. Maybe there's a few extras in
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: the in the in the BA back somewhere there a
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: top sixteen. Yeah, here's card number one oh five ninety nine.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: So I think they do a really good job.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: With them, and they're just they're clean, good looking cards.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: They to your point, they are game used. Yeah, let's
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: I get into the questions about that. And they do
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: a really good job for the most part with the
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: rare relics, with the the duels, the triples, and in
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: the quad relics, they're generally like if you're pulling one
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: of those, there's not a like, man, this guy feels
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: out of place.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: Things like that.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: And I even look into the list right now, there's
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: just not one that jumps out to me and be like, man,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: somebody's really bringing bringing this this one down. If I'm
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: gonna have to pick on, somebody's probably be Lawrence Butler.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: That's the one that I would expect to where like,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, uh, you know Billy Williams's you had to
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: hang out with with Lawrence Butler and Jacob Wilson. That's
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: the one that felt a little funny. But overall these
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: are all solid. There's they're solid. So even the hits here,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: when you're getting that relic, I'm happy. I'm happy when
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: I hit the relics. So again, sum it all up
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: Heritage High Number, Like, I feel like I need to
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: go buy a box now there's a lot of hits
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: in it. The actual hit, you know, the case hit
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: that you're going to get or the box that you're
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: gonna get is going to be either an auto or
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: a nice relic. So yeah, these are fun to open
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: and hold some value and there's gonna be some sneaky
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: cards in here that people are gonna want.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, I mean the we can almost
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: forget about these inserts because I will say that this
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: is probably where if there was anything where I had
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: to improve Heritage and Heritage Hig Number, it's the inserts.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: The inserts have always been kind of bland and boring.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: Where I think that's where tops, Chrome and Flagship are
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: really starting to get really good, and you know, they're
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: starting to take us back to some of the nineties
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: inserts that were really fun, and especially when you look
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: at like, you know, how popular like all aces and
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: some of the other stuff has become, and how value
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: Bullet's actually become when it's pretty high printed. Heritage really
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: does fall down when it comes to the inserts. So
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: they've got some of like the standard ones, I would say,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: where they either have them just about annually or repeat
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: them a lot between rookie performers, Perfect ten and award winners,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: but pretty bland designs I think across the board, and
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: nothing really stands out in terms of like a cool
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: must own award winner card because like you know, you
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: find those across all sorts of products. The newer kind
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: of unique ones here is that we have the Bisentennial Stars,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: which you know had the relics in there, but again
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: it's much cooler with the relic design, where the insert
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: design is a little more forgotten and bland without the
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: relic included into it. They have this strange checklist where
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: it's a little more short printed. I believe now it's
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: still actually the same as the others, where it's the
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six Retirees checklist, where after the nineteen seventy
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: six season, both or all three of Hank Aaron, Billy, Williams,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Antoni Oliva, all three Hall of Famers retired, So they've
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: got a little bit of a fifteen card set to
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: honor those guys. But I mean, when you're smashing three
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: guys into a fifteen card set usually not the most
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: exciting stuff. And then you've also got an undefeated checklist
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: which it's all Reds players, and that one is more
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: short printed, but it's it's a bunch of Reds cards.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: So what do you think about these inserts? I think
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: this is maybe one spot where they should engage with
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: us and contract us over at tops because I've got
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: tons of heritage insert ideas.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got tons of ideas here, and like you
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: look at some of the standard ones, like Rookie Performer
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: has always been a good one, things like that, But
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: the new ones they put in this year, like as
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: you look at them, and like you like, if you're
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: to look these up and look at the designs, please
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: start with Bison Sennial Stars, go to nineteen seventy six retireties,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: and then go to Undefeated. That's the order I went in,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: and like, I just got more depressed as I went
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: through because the Bisentennial Stars felt to me like the
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: MLB Stars inserts in Flagship, where like you just like
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  Speaker 3: got so many of them, Like is this even an insert?
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  Speaker 3: Like I'm just getting them left and right for every
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  Speaker 3: single player, Like they have the same look and feel.
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  Speaker 2: Of that card.
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  Speaker 3: The nineteen seventy six retirees reminded me of Kmart sets
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  Speaker 3: from back in the day that like or the Kellogg
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  Speaker 3: sets or things like that is what that reminded me of.
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  Speaker 3: And then the Undefeated those are terrible cards, Like I
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  Speaker 3: don't know how to explain. It definitely harkens to like
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  Speaker 3: an early nineties like tops design of we try to
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  Speaker 3: do an insert and they just literally it's a boring
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  Speaker 3: border and it says Undefeated, and like I want to say,
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  Speaker 3: word art from PowerPoint is kind of what they did here,
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  Speaker 3: Like I think my four year old designed. This is
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  Speaker 3: really what it comes down to. So like those are
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  Speaker 3: pretty pretty rough cards, and I get it. We want
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  Speaker 3: to celebrate the reds and yeah, maybe you should have
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  Speaker 3: done it with the cards actually people want.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and it's also tough to like because they
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  Speaker 1: didn't put Pete Oh no, Pete Rose is in the
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: checklist never mind. But like you're looking at that nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy six Reds team that swept the Yankees, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you have to just conjure Pete Rose and what he
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: all means to the baseball and put it into that set.
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  Speaker 1: It makes it a little tough. But I will say
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  Speaker 1: with those insert sets, because they're a little bit less
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  Speaker 1: boring or a little less exciting, very boring, they're easy
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  Speaker 1: to get your hands on, and that makes this Heritage
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  Speaker 1: High number a really great set where if you want
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: to practice like putting together a master set, it's a
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  Speaker 1: good one to start with because you can put together
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: the bass checklist, the short prints, the inserts pretty easily.
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  Speaker 1: You could even tack on a run of the base
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: clubhouse collections, I think pretty easy, and you could probably
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: if you want to get into it, some of the
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: real one autos. So I think there's lots of collectors
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: that actually go through that whole Master and put it
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: together all those base the inserts, the the autos, and
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: the clubhouse collection. So that's why it is such a
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: popular set out there in baseball car collecting world at large.
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  Speaker 1: So I think with that we've done a great job
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  Speaker 1: of kind of getting through all the bits and bobs
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  Speaker 1: of heritage high numbers. So we're gonna wrap it up
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  Speaker 1: for this week.
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  Speaker 3: Brew.
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  Speaker 1: Let everybody know where they can find you on socials
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: and reach out to you if they want.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: Yep, if I'm on Twitter, ex Blue Sky, Gabrewer one seven.
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  Speaker 3: We're getting off the holidays here, so back before you
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  Speaker 3: know it over rasbol Cooler. Where can folks find you?
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  Speaker 1: I know it's just like right around the corner that
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  Speaker 1: especially you you're gonna start kicking off top one hundred.
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  Speaker 3: I'm behind articles tell you that it's terribly I've got
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  Speaker 3: work to do over the over the Christmas holiday.
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, I will be looking forward to that. You
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  Speaker 1: can find me on Blue Sky at m cool seven
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  Speaker 1: see oh Ill like my last name on that cool
• 1:24:02
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• 1:24:11
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  Speaker 1: that will go with this podcast. You can leave us
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: comments and questions there as well, especially if you're out
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: there ripping heritage high number and you want to show
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: us what you've got in your boxes, we'd.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: Love to see it.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: We love seeing what you guys are ripping out there
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: and finding as you're collecting along with us. So with that,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: we actually we will be back next week, so we
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: will have a holiday episode for you to listen to
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: if you're traveling over holidays, But until then, we will
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: see you, same time, same place next week. Take care,