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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 301 - DPD : Under The Microscope · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: Hey there, this is Mark Gruber along with my girlfriend
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  Speaker 2: that right now. On with the show. Here's Joe B
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  Speaker 2: and the Triple B. Hey, and you Dean. How's things
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  Speaker 2: in Texas?
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  Speaker 1: Everything is going to hal down here in Dustice.
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  Speaker 3: Jes Me, Joey rock Dog, Joe Rad.
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  Speaker 4: And Joby Joey and Jimmy man Joy and.
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  Speaker 5: Joey rock Cocky, joe a Rag.
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  Speaker 6: We Shine.
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  Speaker 5: I want to take in.
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  Speaker 6: The shop Jab Jab.
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  Speaker 1: And here we go.
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  Speaker 5: And here we go.
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  Speaker 7: And here we go with another half a frozen Rob
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  Speaker 7: Yip kaye.
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  Speaker 5: Honestly, people, I don't know what's going on with this thing.
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  Speaker 7: Uh, We're just gonna let it ride. Hopefully it'll work
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  Speaker 7: itself out again. Anyway, Welcome to the show. This is
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  Speaker 7: episode number three Hunted, three hundred and one of the
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  Speaker 7: Lone Gummed podcast the DPD. We're gonna be putting them
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  Speaker 7: under a microscope and we're going to be discussing a
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  Speaker 7: twenty plus year old article written by Sherry Feaster who
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  Speaker 7: has since passed away, but she was a crime scene analyst,
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  Speaker 7: I believe for the Dallas Police Department, if not Dallas,
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  Speaker 7: somewhere else in Texas. I'm not one hundred percent sure.
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  Speaker 7: And you know, she put various theories out there and everything,
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  Speaker 7: but she also wrote a paper kind of comparing what
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  Speaker 7: the national standards were in accordance, you know, with nineteen
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  Speaker 7: sixty three versus how the Dallas Police performed, if you will,
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  Speaker 7: And we're gonna be going through a lot of it
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  Speaker 7: and analyzing a lot of it and see how the
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  Speaker 7: Dallas Please fared against national standards of practice of investigation,
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  Speaker 7: chain of custody, and the evidence, crime scene contamination and
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  Speaker 7: crime crime scene protection against contamination. Sorry, but before we do,
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  Speaker 7: I'd like to welcome in my co host with the Most,
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  Speaker 7: wearing his brand new signature shirt fresh Shot.
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  Speaker 5: Hot off the Press, a shirt of myself. Yes it's
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  Speaker 5: it's it's awesome. Is that kind of heavy? No? I
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  Speaker 5: mean you got to, man, you got to Yeah. I
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  Speaker 5: love it, And good evening everyone, Hello Rob, and hello
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  Speaker 5: hello to all our loyal listeners. We have hi to them.
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  Speaker 5: We had some technical difficulties. We still do. We still do,
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  Speaker 5: but we were on echo. It was bad. John as always,
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  Speaker 5: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 7: Right off the bat. I'll put that right here in
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  Speaker 7: my pocket. What's up, Trey?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Big clubs in the house and you Dene is in
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  Speaker 7: the house.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Alpha sixty six, Big Mike, what's up? Buddy?
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  Speaker 7: Paul is in the house. EV's in the house. South
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  Speaker 7: to west, Jack, what's up Jack? James Smith says.
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  Speaker 5: Joe.
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  Speaker 7: Terrific appearance on Out of the Blank. You handled Robbie's
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  Speaker 7: one hundred and fifty part questions with great, a plumb.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you. It was a real fun conversation. At first,
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  Speaker 5: I was like, how am I going to take up
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  Speaker 5: like an hour? And of course you know what happened, Rob,
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  Speaker 5: I yep, like six barbers, which, to be fair, is
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  Speaker 5: the format on Out of the Blank when he has
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  Speaker 5: guests on.
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  Speaker 6: So I was.
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  Speaker 5: That was the point of me being onto. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 5: we had a great conversation. He's a good interviewer. I
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  Speaker 5: think he's on episode sixteen whatever it is, sixteen hundred.
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  Speaker 5: He knows how to ask good questions and I thought
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  Speaker 5: it was great. And thank you Trey for this comment.
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  Speaker 5: I'm good at podcasting. I'm not sure I agree. I
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  Speaker 5: think I'm probably decent at best, but I'm making progress.
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  Speaker 5: But I appreciate the comment. Nonethelesser, I need to start
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  Speaker 5: a wealth management podcast.
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  Speaker 7: Oh you know this is my Hey, folks, there's a
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  Speaker 7: reason Joe's doing a jfk assassination related podcast.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well know if you if you were, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not part of a big time financial institution anymore,
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  Speaker 5: but they would limit you if you tried to do that, right,
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  Speaker 5: because you'd be speaking on them. But what I would
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  Speaker 5: just say is, there's a there's a couple of Twitter
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  Speaker 5: handles that follow politicians trades. It's like the Nancy Pelosi
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  Speaker 5: stock trader, and not only her, other people on different
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  Speaker 5: boards and committees. And if you buy whatever they buy,
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  Speaker 5: you'll beat the market every time. That's my financial advice,
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  Speaker 5: not a financial advisory. Joe, Yes, what's up? Scott.
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  Speaker 7: Scott is in the house and trying to hit on
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  Speaker 7: Anton Dean Bungles in the house. South to west, Buddy, Greg,
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  Speaker 7: I think he's finally back from Rome in Italy and
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  Speaker 7: he was over there on three hundred man he was
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  Speaker 7: doing the spark the inspar. Sally is here, Sally is
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  Speaker 7: in the house. What's up, Sally, Glad to see you're here.
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  Speaker 7: Prova Wan, there's a new one. Hello from Dublin, Ireland.
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  Speaker 7: First time getting to see the boys live well. Welcome
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  Speaker 7: young Padawan to the house. Welcome sir, Yes, young, Prova
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  Speaker 7: Wan young almost like Provolone, but Provo one.
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  Speaker 5: On right. Provo.
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  Speaker 7: Hey, we got another nube in the house. Chris Burton,
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  Speaker 7: what's up from London? Hey Chris, Chris, Hey, Sally's over
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  Speaker 7: there too. Maybe we can set you all up on
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  Speaker 7: a blind date. Chris says he always listens.
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  Speaker 5: Bless you.
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  Speaker 7: Oh h Sherry feasts for Deborah Conway's sister. She was yes, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: and yes that's who Deborah was speaking about when America's
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  Speaker 7: from the Real Stories interrupted.
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  Speaker 5: You're correct, Mike, do we have that sound? Not Handy
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  Speaker 5: because I won't say his name, but the guy who
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  Speaker 5: said that is now my Instagram friend, and uh he
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  Speaker 5: messages me like a day or two after the show
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  Speaker 5: or this and this too, and he was like, great show.
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  Speaker 5: So he's the man.
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  Speaker 7: He's a legend for doing that for sure. But yeah,
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  Speaker 7: so this Colleen the Rocket Queen is in the house.
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  Speaker 7: Happy Friday to you, and that comes through. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 7: put that in my other pocket, thank.
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  Speaker 5: You, Jack. Yeah, and we got t D.
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  Speaker 7: Of course, my tiny zendars in the house was of Zenda.
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  Speaker 5: Don't worry. Don't worry. TD.
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  Speaker 7: We haven't really started doing anything yet except welcome they
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  Speaker 7: welcoming everyone into the fray the fracas, if you will.
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  Speaker 5: The fracas.
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  Speaker 7: Joe, I'm running out of pockets here, Paula Jeane comes
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  Speaker 7: through in the clutch.
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  Speaker 5: Wow, thank you, Paula. Appreciate you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Well, damn Sally, that didn't take long already hitting on Chris.
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  Speaker 5: All up in this. Uh damn it. Greg.
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  Speaker 7: All right, my my four pockets are stuff, Joe, I
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  Speaker 7: got no more pockets, so you're gonna have to start
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  Speaker 7: putting them in your pockets, all right, colonel.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you. Greg. Always appreciate it. Brother. I hope you
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  Speaker 5: had fun in Italy and Rome. It looked like you did.
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  Speaker 7: I know, Sally, I'm just busting your ball, well, you
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  Speaker 7: know your figurative balls. It's nice to see all the
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  Speaker 7: people in the chat getting together and talking amongst themselves.
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  Speaker 5: I love it.
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  Speaker 7: I love it all right, So let's get into the show. Joe,
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  Speaker 7: if you want to set the table a little bit
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  Speaker 7: about what we're going to be talking about here today,
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  Speaker 7: and we'll get right into it, because there is a
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  Speaker 7: lot to talk about today when it comes to the
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  Speaker 7: Dallas Police and their performance issues, if you will, because
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  Speaker 7: they had a.
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  Speaker 5: Lot of yes, yes for sure, and yeah. We're going
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  Speaker 5: to be reading a very thorough and kind of going
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  Speaker 5: through and analyzing a very thorough throw article by Sherry Feaster.
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  Speaker 5: It was written a little while ago, but it's still
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  Speaker 5: very relevant. And essentially what she's doing is she's comparing
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  Speaker 5: if the Dallas PD followed protocol. She goes over the
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  Speaker 5: national she goes over like habits of the police and
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  Speaker 5: department at that time, then the national standards of yes, yes,
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  Speaker 5: she goes into possible.
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  Speaker 7: What they should be doing and how they should be doing.
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  Speaker 5: It, Yes, National investigation investigative standards as of nineteen sixty three.
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  Speaker 5: And when she compares every little area she compares, she
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  Speaker 5: also talks about the Dallas PD standards as well, So
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  Speaker 5: she kind of compares the the national and the state standards.
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  Speaker 5: They're different in some cases. And let me put this
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  Speaker 5: up as I read this, because this is what she
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  Speaker 5: bases a lot of this frozen Joe, I'm unfrozen. You
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  Speaker 5: are in. I am good. The deep state is still
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  Speaker 5: messing with us. That all wod. Yeah, So I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to read a paragrapher two. So sorry, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 5: make that full screen there. We sure just finding something.
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  Speaker 5: There are people who believe the Dallas Police Department did
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  Speaker 5: exemplary work in the crime scene investigation of the TSPD.
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  Speaker 5: Those supporters stressed the crime scene investigative standards of today
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  Speaker 5: should not be used to judge were completed in nineteen
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  Speaker 5: sixty three. However, Dallas Police Department is accountable for complying
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  Speaker 5: with the well published and generally accepted standards of nineteen
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  Speaker 5: sixty three and to the self proclaimed procedures of their
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  Speaker 5: own department. DPD is resolutely established to be severely deficient,
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  Speaker 5: discounting forever the myth they followed protocol and processing the TSBD,
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  Speaker 5: The evidence of the TSBD and the shooting death of
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  Speaker 5: President Kennedy.
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  Speaker 7: And and straight off the bat. Joe, I think while
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  Speaker 7: Mary and Baker, God rest his him in mind, may
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  Speaker 7: have had good intentions of rushing into the building for
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  Speaker 7: whatever reason he did.
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  Speaker 5: Well, didn't see pigeons from the top or something.
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  Speaker 7: Well, yeah supposedly, but you know, even if even if
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  Speaker 7: you suspected somebody shot from that building, Okay, what he
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  Speaker 7: should have done instead of rushing there on his own
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  Speaker 7: is radioed for backup, requested immediate ceiling of the building.
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  Speaker 7: Immediately ceiling of the building, because there were other officers
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  Speaker 7: around there, you know, like these two guys. These two
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  Speaker 7: guys were Welcome Barnett, w Barnett and Joe Smith. Now,
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  Speaker 7: Joe Smith is the guy who was on the He
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  Speaker 7: was on the corner of Elm Street and Maine or Houston, sorry,
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  Speaker 7: and he went running for the gratzy No, I'm not
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  Speaker 7: sure exactly how far close after the shots, and there
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  Speaker 7: was Welcome Barnett who was stationed over on Houston Street.
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  Speaker 5: Yep, Rob I believe Smith was the officer that ran
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  Speaker 5: into the person with alleged Secret Service credentials.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, quite possible, But I remember, I mean, these guys
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  Speaker 7: could have easily coordinated between the three of them too.
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  Speaker 7: You know, you got one guy on the front entrance
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  Speaker 7: and send the other two around back radio for more backup.
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  Speaker 5: Is there.
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  Speaker 7: There were a lot of Dallas police close by, and
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  Speaker 7: they could have stealed the building off relatively quickly, and.
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  Speaker 5: They did not, thus resulting in a lot of fokery. Yes,
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  Speaker 5: and in the generally accepted national standards for processing a
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  Speaker 5: crime scene in the nineteen sixties, the number one thing
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  Speaker 5: is secure the scene to protect potential evidence and prevent
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  Speaker 5: witnesses and or in this case media, well well, witnesses
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  Speaker 5: from leaving the scene and media from coming onto the
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  Speaker 5: scene and possibly tainting some evidence by just being there.
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  Speaker 7: Well, you had workers running back in the building, you
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  Speaker 7: had workers leaving the building, you had it was a
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  Speaker 7: media in the building. We'll get more into that as
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  Speaker 7: we as we go on, but yeah, there was a
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  Speaker 7: lot of people making the way in that building right
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  Speaker 7: after the shafts and shouldn't have been in there, and
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  Speaker 7: a lot of people leaving who probably shouldn't have left.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, pray continue Joe. All right, Well there's a
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  Speaker 5: little so this article is what is it fifty two
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  Speaker 5: pages prop So, yeah, we're going to when we read this,
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  Speaker 5: We're obviously not reading this, where I'm kind of jumping
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  Speaker 5: around to the more relevant parts. This is a little
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  Speaker 5: section on confirmation bias. When confirmation bias is the basis
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  Speaker 5: for an investigation, officers maybe ten to cut corners in
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  Speaker 5: order to dedicate their efforts to cases they deem more important,
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  Speaker 5: more challenging, and more worthy. With a majority of qualits
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  Speaker 5: considered routine, officers may ignore the proper procedure on regular basis,
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  Speaker 5: thereby developing the mindset and behavioral habits of poorly structured
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  Speaker 5: investigative techniques. When an unusual or high profile crime occurs
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  Speaker 5: aka this one, the same officer feels enormous pressure to
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  Speaker 5: complete an accurate and thorough investigation in a timely manner.
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  Speaker 5: That pressure creates stress that turn results into working memory loss.
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  Speaker 5: With hampered cognitive abilities, the officer may revert to habitual
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  Speaker 5: behaviors and habitual cognitive choices. Evidence suggests that the DPD
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  Speaker 5: investigation was driven by confirmation bias, steding from the arrest
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  Speaker 5: of LHL Lee Harvey Oswald. And after all, the DPD
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  Speaker 5: has their man and all they had to do was
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  Speaker 5: prove it. And that is I think a great I
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  Speaker 5: think it's true then, and I think it's true now.
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  Speaker 5: You know. I mentioned to you like a month or
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  Speaker 5: two ago as following a true crime case in Boston,
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  Speaker 5: and this lady got off because she accused the she
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  Speaker 5: her husband died, she allegedly ran him over, and she
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  Speaker 5: was going through all the kind of things that we're
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  Speaker 5: going to go through now, the the evidence not being
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  Speaker 5: in a proper chain, all these other factors that would
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  Speaker 5: get and confirmation biases, and they were just trying to
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  Speaker 5: look for their you know, their person, their guy. In
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  Speaker 5: this case, it was her, the lady, and it was
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  Speaker 5: actually a hung jurney a couple of weeks ago. But
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  Speaker 5: there were so many examples of the cops just wanting
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  Speaker 5: to get it over with, just going through the motions. Right.
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  Speaker 5: And when you watch a show like The Wire, it's
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  Speaker 5: all about the homicide rate of convicting people, right. They
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  Speaker 5: want they want your conviction rate to be over fifty
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  Speaker 5: percent or sixty percent. It doesn't really matter how you
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  Speaker 5: do it, as long, you know, as long as the
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  Speaker 5: homicide conviction rate is over whatever is told they have
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  Speaker 5: to meet. So it's not just the DPD that would
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  Speaker 5: do that. I think it's police today, and and and
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  Speaker 5: pretty much a lot of times.
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  Speaker 7: What do you think, Well, yeah, for sure, I mean,
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  Speaker 7: but you know, in order to have a good case,
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  Speaker 7: you need good evidence, right, and you need good evidence collection.
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  Speaker 7: You know, yet you need to be able to portray
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  Speaker 7: to a judge or jury. Then look, we followed the protocol.
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  Speaker 7: We follow a chain of custody from point A to
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  Speaker 7: point Z, meticulously documenting everywhere these things were. With this case,
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  Speaker 7: you have the problem of the evidence being collected by
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  Speaker 7: the Dallas Police Department, being taken by the FBI, being
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  Speaker 7: given back to the Dallas Police Department, then being taken again.
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  Speaker 5: It's crazy and rob it is. And to your point
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  Speaker 5: there when when I was reading this whole article, and
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  Speaker 5: I was reading a lot of what Lieutenant Day and
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  Speaker 5: a student Baker the other crime scene investigator, I think
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  Speaker 5: the head crime scene investigator. They're blaming things on the FBI.
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  Speaker 5: The FBI are blaming things on DPD. And where have
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  Speaker 5: we seen this recently with a secret service and the
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  Speaker 5: FBI blame each other for the failures and the Trump
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  Speaker 5: assassination attempt. It's the same playbook. They just blame each other.
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  Speaker 5: They go in a circle and there's no accountability. It's
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  Speaker 5: a different situation, but it's the same playbook.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, have you seen there blaming the acting
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  Speaker 7: director of the Secret Service now for they're saying it
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  Speaker 7: was his fault because he cut all these you know,
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  Speaker 7: extra hours, or there was no advanced team because of
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  Speaker 7: this guy he called the advanced Team office, So there
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  Speaker 7: was no advanced team in Butler, Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 5: That's insane, it is. And that's why you had a
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  Speaker 5: bunch of the local state and local tactical teams do that.
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  Speaker 5: Like eight person interview in ABC eight people that were
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  Speaker 5: on the local and state side did a thing like
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  Speaker 5: the Secret Service didn't brief us that we were supposed
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  Speaker 5: to do. We didn't have any comms with them. We
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  Speaker 5: just had a group text in our state tactical thing.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't going to the Secret Service sniper team counter
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  Speaker 5: sniper teams. So it's like it's just blaming each other.
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  Speaker 5: And at what point is it in competence and at
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  Speaker 5: what point is it a conspiracy? And that's really that's
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  Speaker 5: the question. All right, let me get back to this here, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: So we're going to get into National Investigative Standards nineteen
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  Speaker 5: sixty three. Let me put this back up, Rob. It's
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  Speaker 5: just crazy how many things over time, like sixty one
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  Speaker 5: years past this, the same things go on in different circumstances,
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  Speaker 5: but it really hasn't changed that much. The television series
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  Speaker 5: CSI Crime Scene Investigation and other similar programs portray the
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  Speaker 5: modern crime scene investigators as a highly trained, college educated
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  Speaker 5: technician has received extensive specialized training and all disciplines of
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  Speaker 5: crime investigation. In the nineteen sixties, crime scene investigators rarely
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  Speaker 5: had special training in the collection of physical or trace evidence.
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  Speaker 5: They relied on the Tagget and Baggitt method. The emphasis
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  Speaker 5: was placed on detectives catching the perpetrator using their people skills,
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  Speaker 5: putting little or no emphasis on crime scene investigative. For
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  Speaker 5: many agencies, the physical evidence was only a minor part
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  Speaker 5: of the investigation, used to confirm what detectives had already determined.
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  Speaker 5: Although there were no certifications to ensure proficiency and no
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  Speaker 5: specific experience of or training requirements at the time of
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  Speaker 5: the assassination, they were generally accepted national standards for processing
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  Speaker 5: a crime scene. And this is from Paul Kirk's book
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  Speaker 5: Crime Investigation nineteen fifty three.
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  Speaker 7: Secures had been out there for ten years prior to
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  Speaker 7: the assassination.
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  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, these were the generally right, this was like
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  Speaker 5: kind of like the basics of what you have to
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  Speaker 5: do secure the scene, to protect potential evidence, and prevent
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  Speaker 5: witnesses from leaving the scene, and apprehend suspects. Well, they
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  Speaker 5: didn't prevent we'll get into the timeline in a few
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  Speaker 5: minutes here down, but they didn't prevent all witnesses from leaving.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Of course, most Lee Harvey os uh perform and organize
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: and thorough search, which photograph they did eventually, but not initially. Yes, correct.
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: And you can't clear a building that size with one
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: police officer.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: You just can't do it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: No, And you especially can't just rush up to the
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: seventh floor and work your way down because by the
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: time you do that, whoever whoever's in that building has
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: time to get out. They're coming down while you're going up.
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: For sure, So that was a dumb move on Marion
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: Baker's part. Yeah, photograph all potential evidence number three, number
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: four indicate on a sketch the location of all potential
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: evidence number five complete, a detailed description of the location
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: and condition of potential evidence number six develop and collect fingerprints,
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: and then finally number seven is collect the evidence as
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: a bag it and tag it.
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: I think, so.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: Let's see the investigation of crime scenes and the evidence
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: collected and analyzed may prove hold on, that's irrelevant. Okay,
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: So now we're going to get into the Dallas PD
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: and national standards. So we're not going from national to state,
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: all right, rob, yes, sir, all right, if you want
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: to take a turn at reading at some point, let
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: me know Dallas PD and national standards. Those who believe
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: the DPD conducted a detailed crime scene investigation inside the
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: TSBD during the investigation of JFK, others are not so sure.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: Every agency involved in this investigation was under tremendous pressure
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: to solve the case. What we were talking about before,
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: one might expect that type of scrutiny would have motivated
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: the investigators to perform a meticulous search for clues and
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: utilize the latest forensic techniques. However, crime scene forensics was
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: not a significant aspect of criminal investigations at the time
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: of the assassination. Good police work relied more on having
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: it accomplished interrogators who could elicit fessions from suspects, and
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: less ungathering physical evidence, yeah, which you need a suspect
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: for us to do that. Yeah. And of course that's
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: you know, this is before DNA, right, so they're not
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: really focused on hairs and things that people are focused
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: on now. So what I think we should really pay
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: attention to is the as we're talking about, the generally
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: accepted standards back in those days and not today, because
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: we could nitpick this all day from a twenty twenty
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: four DNA standpoint touchdown.
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: And we realize all about you know, DNA and hairs
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: and and all that stuff. But like I said, you know,
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: when Mary Baker's rushing into that building, he has no
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: idea who the shooter is. So when he runs into
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: that building, at that point, everyone in that building is
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: it should be a suspect. And he encounters quite a
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: few people on the first floor, and you don't hear
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: about Royd truly clearing all those people like Eddie Piper
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: and Troy West and Love Lady and Shelley if they
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: were on the first floor, you know, you don't hear
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: about that. It's not until they get to the second
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: floor where oh that's you know that he works here.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: He's okay, But.
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: Then they just run up the stairs to the seventh
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: floor and then start checking the roof the seventh floor,
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: the sixth floor, you know, and work their way down.
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: And of course by this time you have other employees
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: going back into the building, you have people leaving the building,
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: and they did not secure the scene.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: At that point.
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: The entire building is the crimes, not just the sixth floor.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sir, rob And the next little part I'm going
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: to read is DPD securing the scene. So that was
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: a good segue there. Some members of the DPD believe
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: the shooter had fired from within the TSBD. Their initial
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: response to that supposition, rushing into the building to apprehend
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: the perpetrator, was appropriate. The safety and well being of
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: the general public was paramount. Therefore, the removal of potential
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: threats to the police and others must take precedence over
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: evidence which may be present within the crime scene. So
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: that makes sense, right, if you have a school shooter,
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: you're not going to go in and like try to
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: secure take picture of a shell a casing on the ground, right,
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: if the shooter's running around shooting kids.
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: Right, so well, But at that point Joe Marion Baker
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: has no idea what is going on in that building,
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: whether or not this shooter has hostages, whether he's going
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: to try to shoot his way out of the building,
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: whether he's going to try to come down and start
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: firing in Dealey Plaza. Baker knows none of this, so
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: I think it's still a little reckless of him to
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: do what he did. I don't agree with Sherry feast
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: to here saying that he did the right thing. Well,
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: the right thing would have been to not doing the building.
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: Secure it all, you know, seal the building off, and
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: once you've done that and you have enough people there,
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: then you send in a team.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: Right. I guess you tried to be like a Bruce
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: Willis type right and just go in and go floor
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: by floor. I think he knew he was the first
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: one in there, and you know I don't. I'm not
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: going to disagree with Fisher. I'm actually going to disagree
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: with you. I think going from floor to floor and
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: clearing the building of a threat, of course, he's not
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: going to be able to fully clear it. So I
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: get onderstand what they're saying about waiting for a backup,
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: because if he's going up one stairway, the other people
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: could be going down the back.
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: Stairway, right, but well he's going up the back stairway,
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: but or down the elevator, you know what I mean, right.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: High escape or right right? I mean, he wouldn't be
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: able to cover that all himself. So what you're saying
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: is should have waited maybe outside, but as we're going
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: to get into and.
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: If he's going to clear the building himself, he should
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: have started on the first floor, identified everyone on the
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: first floor he had truly right there with him, and
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: ask him, look, do you recognize all these people?
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: All right?
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: You all you people on the first floor? Leave now, yeah,
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: go to the second floor, same thing there, all right, out,
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: third floor, out, fourth floor. He should have worked his
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: way up instead of working.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: His way down. That's what I'm saying. Okay, So no,
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: I don't think he did the right Yeah, but I
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: guess what I'm saying is like, I don't think he
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: like did something as as blatantly bad as some of
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: the other people we're going to get into.
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: Right, it's not blatantly bad. It just could have changed
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: the outcome of everything. Right, But that's as far as
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: wall was sealed that building.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: You know, the murder of J. D.
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: Tipp it might have never happened, you know. Blah blah
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: blah blah blah.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so can you see this, rob because this is
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: we're going to get into the timeline here, which is
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: actually a great, great thing to get into. Yeah, can see. Okay.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: Securing the scene should not have required an order from
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: a supervisor. It is the most basic element in police
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: work and the initial responsibility of the first offer officer
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: on the scene. Oh thank you, Robin. Yeah. Every point
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: of entry or exit available to the general public should
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: have been protected from unauthorized entry. The fact that the
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: scene was chaotic does not mean basic police work can
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: be ignored. However, a warrant commissioned timeline focusing on securing
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: the scene indicates it was bullshit. Sorry, go ahead, that's okay.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: At twelve thirty pm, of course we know, John. The
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: shooting of JFK occurred at approximately twelve thirty to twelve
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: thirty two. DPD Officer Marion Baker entered the TSBD searching
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: for the unknown shooter at approximately eleven thirty seven to
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: twelve forty, so you're talking seven to ten minutes after
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: the shots were fired. DPD Inspector Jay Herbert Martin. I'm
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: just kidding. Sawyer ordered the building sealed at approximately.
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: Twelve fifty pm. Secret ten minutes later, but minutes later,
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: oh number three. Yeah, after Sawyer ordered the building sealed,
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: ten minutes later, Secret Service to agent Forest Sorels entered
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: an unsecured door at the rear of the school book
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: Depository building, right right, So there you go, folks, And
• 34:19
  Speaker 9: this is ten minutes after the shooting. There should have
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: been cops all over this building on every exit and
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: entrance in.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: Their word, which is what? And the Secret Service agent
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: Sorels entered an unsecured door suggests the building was not
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: secure thirteen minutes after Inspector Sawyer ordered the building sealed. Unfortunately,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: it didn't stop there. Day stated in his FBI interview
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: there were many people who on the afternoon of November
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: twenty seventh, second sixty three, who he assumed were a
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: newsman whose identity he did not know. So that violates
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: number one on the list rob secure the FM scene.
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: Well, you know, even after they figured out that the
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: shooting allegedly had taken place on the sixth floor, because
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: they found the shells, they found a half eaten lunch,
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: they found boxes piled up on the window, and then
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: they eventually found the rifle on the sixth floor.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: You still have.
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: Company employees, truly and Shelley and maybe a couple others
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: on the sixth floor while the cops are searching it
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: after they found evidence. You have newsmen up there.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: You have Tom A. Leam making a film of all this.
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: He's a newsman. This is your crime scene. You're allowing
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: newspeople into your crime scene. It just makes no sense
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: to me.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: What's the yeah, And just just to circle back on
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: Baker Rob just to clarify, I'm not saying that he
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: did everything right. And I'm not even gonna get into
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: the second lunch floor encounter. Was it there was on
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: the first was somewhere else. I'm just saying as like
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: a lone wolf type of thing police officer going in
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: a couple one or two minutes after the assassination and
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: finding the manager and clearing the floors. I mean, he
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: didn't even if he could stand at the front of
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: the building, that entrance in the back would have been
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: completely still open.
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: So but like I said, there there were officers all
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: over the place close by that he could have yelled, hey,
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: I need you over here. We need to secure this building.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: Roger Craig was in the car. He was, we're on
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: the knoll. And the two officers you mentioned.
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: On his multiple officers stationed on Houston, one on the corner.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: One behind allegedly too. I think that might have been Whites. Mean,
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: I'm a.
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: Couple on the overpass. Yeah, so they were all over
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: And that's not that's not saying that he could have
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: gone on his radio and said, look, I've got the
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: shooting scene, suspects in the building. We need to steal
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: it off. All personnel here immediately for eleven ELM Street.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just saying just assuming that he that he
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: wasn't in any like and I'm not saying changing up statements,
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: but I'm not gonna as we'll get into there are
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: a lot more officers that did a lot worse things
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: than him trying to go up and clear it. I'm
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: just saying he I don't like, completely fault him for
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: for for trying to go up and clear and find
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: the manager. You know, I'm not like he didn't do
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: something egregious, right, like some of the other officers. Really
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: to get a dude did, right, I guess that's more
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: my point. So, but that's why we we leave it
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: up to you general people. Uh do you want me
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: to continue, sir? Yeah, continue sir? All right. Obviously, police
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: procedures for directing the prole officers and criminal investigators to
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: protect crime scenes were in place within the department, as
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: evidence by Inspector Sawyer's order to steal the building, but
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: it appears there was no compliance to that order. True.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: One has to wonder why Captain Wilfritz, head of the
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: homicide unit, or Lieutenant Day head of the crime lab,
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: failed to enforce their responsibilities of protecting the crime scene.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: For that matter, why didn't anyone within the DPD take
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: steps to protect the crime scene from contamination. Day Fritz
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: and another supervisor present on the sixth floor the TSPD
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: were ultimately responsible for the assassination investigation, and the possibility
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: of their investigation being compromised should have motivated them to
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: take the necessary steps to ensure the scene was protected.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: More importantly, the police should not have allowed anyone other
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: than law enforcement to remain on the sixth floor while
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: they searched for evidence facts. You want me to continue
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: with news media, Rob Robert, Okay, I'll continue news media.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: The curious nature of news media is what makes them
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: good at their job. Unfortunately, that curiosity, when allowed to
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: run unchecked, can be destructive to potential evidence, resulting in
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: investigation with distorted conclusions. The official record contained several examples
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: of newsmen having access to the crime scene while the
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: scene was still being processed for physical evidence. FBI special
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: agents visit Drayne and James Bookout interviewed day concerning persons
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: other than police officers who were present on the sixth
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: floor on the after the shooting. The FBI report stated
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: on Saturday, November twenty third, many persons unknown to him
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: had apparently been on the sixth floor of the TSBD
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: and had taken a lot of photographs. In view of
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: the fact that he had noticed many empty film pack
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: cartoons where the boxes were located, and the boxes had
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: been rearranged apparently for the purpose of taking photographs. And
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: they are talking about the boxes of books near the
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: sniper's nest. There were literally dozens of news media representatives
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: from radio and television stations, newspapers, and magazines on the
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: sixth floor. He doesn't say a dozen, he says dozens.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: That's like twenty four plus, right, So then you have
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: to kind of think, like, why were they so reckless
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: with this crime scene? Did they just want everyone and
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: their mother to have this type of access to the
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: sixth floor because they know they'd report on it and
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: whatever outlet they had, and that would kind of further
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: their the low nut narrative. I don't know, that's just
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: something that came to my mind. There were no restrictions
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: on newsman and law enforcement or officers for moving freely
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: about the building. Any of these individuals may have possibly
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: handled the four cardboard boxes that were sent to the
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: FBI lab for examination. So Studi Baker, who we're going
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: to get into in a little bit, also said that
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: the newsmen were generally looking for and examining anything that
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: might have been related to the shooting and President Kennedy
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: or Connolly day. In Studibaker's statements, the FBI concerned the
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: press having unrestricted and unsupervised access to the sixth floor
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: was corroborated by the Warrent commissioned testimony of Ira Beer's,
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: a photographer for the Dallas Morning News, and regrettably he
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: wasn't asked to let him into the crime scene, but
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: just an example of how many news media, newspaper, television, radio,
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: and why radio would have to be in there, I
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: don't know, but I think that's just an example of
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: it was Carte Blanche on the sixth floor and later
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: on the on the twenty third for sure.
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's Joe in this photo. This is a crime
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: scene photo of the shells supposedly in front of the window.
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: Now what's interesting to me is that the boxes in question,
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: they were, you know, used to set up a rest
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: on the window sill, aren't there. Now you might say, well,
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: all those you know, it's it's back, it's further back
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: in the photograph. But when you when you read exactly
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: what happened that day, and this comes from a section
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: of evidence contamination Joe Day's testimony. Okay, he says, I
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: went back to the school book depository and stayed there. Okay,
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: he left there at three pm and then came back
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: at about six pm. No questions were asked if of Day,
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: if the scene had been secured while he was gone,
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: or who's under whose supervision student Baker was working. Day said,
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: I went back to the school with depository and stayed there.
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: It was around three that I got back, and I
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: was in that building until about six directing the other
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: officers as to what we needed in the way of
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: photographs and drawings and so forth. Bielan says, what did
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: you do when you got back? What photographs did you take?
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: Day said, Well, we went, We made the outside photographs
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: of the street, We made more photographs inside and did
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: further checking for prints by using dust on the boxes
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: around the window. Now Day's testimony indicse that the boxes
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: around the window were processed for fingerprints after his three
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: PM arrival. There are no assurances that the cartons were
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: processed before the press was allowed on the sixth floor
• 44:58
  Speaker 7: of the school. Book depositor and crime scene detective Bobby
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: Brown not not not the black guy from new edition,
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: Different different.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: Bobby Brown.
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: Stated while assisting was sketching on November twenty fourth, that
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: he handled the cardboard boxes believed to be used by
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: Oswald as arrest for his rifle that were stacked near
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: the window. That means he moved them, folks, the same
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: four boxes the media had access to and that were
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: left unprotected for several days before being collected from the
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: sixth floor. Moreover, we don't really know if it's the
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: same boxes that were originally located in the window. Studebaker
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: testified then he moved the cartons and then later replaced
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: them in an effort to recreate the scene so he
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: could take photographs. So any photographs that you see of
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: these boxes in the so called sniper's nest is not
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: how they were found. It is a recreation. But hi, Studebaker.
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: Brown also indicated the measurements used to complete the sketch
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: of the sixth floor were taken after the crime scene
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: was left unsecured and occupied by unidentified media and possibly
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: members of the general public. Lookie lose. That's what we
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: call those, Joe, lookie lose. So it is possible multiple
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: items removed. Now we also have Joe this photograph. I
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: want to talk about this for a minute.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: I have a couple relating to this too, Rob after
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: you're done, but before, we have to say hi to
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: our favorite guest, Oh, Douglas. Douglas. I'll be talking to
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: Douglas in the morning. Oh.
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: That means there's probably a quick hits coming this weekend,
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: so be looking for it. But let's talk about this
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: bag for a second.
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: Joe.
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: Now this is allegedly the bag found on the sixth floor.
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: This bag was not photographed in situ. That means where
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: it was found. There are multiple indications of where this
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: were found. Some say it was found on the floor
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: behind where Oswald would have been crouched. Some say it
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: was neatly placed folded up in between some boxes of
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: the quote unquote sniper's nest. Some say it was just
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: sitting on top of some of the boxes on the
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: snipers nest. Now, if you look at this bag, Joe,
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: if you were to put the top of this bag,
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: and I don't mean down on the top of his
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: cowboy hat, but where.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: His head would be. So if you could, like if you.
• 47:57
  Speaker 7: Had magic and you can move the top of that
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: bag down to the top of his head, this thing
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: would be from the top of his head probably down
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: to right below his kneecaps, you know.
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: And that is a long, long bag. I mean, look
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: at how long it is.
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: And for Fraser to say that Oswald cupped this under
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: his armpit and carried something, he would have to have
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: gorilla arms that knuckle dragged on the concrete to carry
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: a bag that big. And what else got me, Joe?
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: How is that bag.
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: Standing straight up. It's got to be on a stick or.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: Joe.
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: What else could it possibly be in there? Holding that
• 48:53
  Speaker 7: thing so vertical.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you want me to say hurt
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: rods or anything, but I was just gonna say, depending
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: depending how thicket it is, right, Uh, it could be
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: pulled down. It does look like it's kind of crinkled, wrinkled,
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: But depending how thick pulled down on to what. Well,
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: I'm saying if it's like part of like a bag
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: that you know, part of that shipping.
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but you see he's got his right hand in
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: the bottom.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: Of the bag, yeah, pulling it down like extending it.
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: Oh, holding it like a sword or a lightsaber. His
• 49:36
  Speaker 7: left arm is coming across the front of his body
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: and holding onto the bag. But something is holding that
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: bag vertical.
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: What is it, sir? I don't know.
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: I'm just saying it could be another rifle that was
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: brought out of the school of depository.
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: M Well better way right, that's true. I mean, you
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: know we have we have a lot of reports of
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: the seven six, seven point sixty five mileser. You know,
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: there are rumors of a British endfield being found. I'm
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: not gonna comme on ato those, but as possible for sure.
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: And then we have a picture here.
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: I'm not sure who the guy is in the front,
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: but I know who the guy is on the steps,
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: and that is Will Fritz right with his campbeltoe had one. Yeah,
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: I'm sure that's another member of the homicide bureau.
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: We talk. Appeared to be either a rifle or a
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: shotgun right oh behind on his leg parallel to it right, yes, yes, yeah,
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: for sure.
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: Now, I always heard about things getting mailed, like Oswald
• 51:00
  Speaker 7: would walk like, you know, eight blocks to mail something
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: when he was supposed to be at work. And I
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: always thought it was funny because, well, what's right outside
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: of the school book Depository two big ass mailboxes? M hmm,
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: what's across Dally Plaza from the.
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: School book depository, post office.
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: The postal annex. But yet he would supposedly walk eight
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: blocks to mail something. But anyway, I digress.
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and Rob, uh, just to back to back up
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: a little bit, I had a picture of the window,
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: uh that student Baker took uh when we talked about
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: rearranging the boxes. If you want me to talk share
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: that real quick.
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, hang on there, I just wanted to put forth. Okay,
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: why would a police officer go into a building with
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: a rifle? Who you shooting?
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: Bro? And it was already secured, they knew it was
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: secured by then.
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: Well yeah, maybe, I mean the guy could have been
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: adding in there somewhere. I mean, it's a big building,
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: and you know that didn chicken every nook and cranny.
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: It took a while. Yeah, And I don't know if
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: it's just the the mid step he's taking, but it
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: does look like he's trying to conceal it that it
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: would be kind of silly, knowing a bunch of photographers
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: are outside. But I'm just saying, why would you take
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: a rifle into a building? You don't do that.
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: You have your sad arm, I mean, or a shotgun.
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: But that to me looks like a rifle.
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: Oh I think it is, for sure, But that's just me. No,
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: I I it's very long, for sure. Yeah, I know.
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: So this was a Studi Baker photo of the sixth floor.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: This is actually from sixty seconds in Dallas, I believe.
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: And this is a sixty six fifty shades of gray.
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: It's from a movie five Shades of Gray. Right. Dallas
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: police photo taken by Studie Baker a short time after
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: the assassination, showing the boxes in front of the second
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: window that would be.
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: This one here Bonnie Ray Williams's window.
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: Would not have appeared above the first lintel of the
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: window from outside. So I have something even better here
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: there we go. So on the left here it's I
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: enlarged this. It's not great quality to start. If you
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: look on the left side here, this is an enlargement
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: from the huge film and you could see someone on
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: the is it the east or west? Is the west side? Right?
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: The west side of the TSPD.
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: Thank you, provab one, young petawan. We appreciate it. That
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: one's gonna go in Joe's pocket.
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: Thank you, sir. I'm not looking at it right now.
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: But do you see Rob where my pointer is right here, sir?
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: I do on the Oswald side. So that's allegedly this
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: is from the Hughes film which was right before, I believe.
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: And you also have someone here on the side where
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: we just showed whether the body ray right, Well, it
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: looks a little white, but there is someone it seems there,
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: but the negative Joe, yeah, on the right side. This
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: photo was taken minutes after the assassination by Dallas photographer
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: Jim Murray shows box as much lower in the window
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: and then the figure apparent in the Hughes film. So
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: if you look at the right side on the left photo,
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: I believe it's the west correct me if I'm wrong.
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: Chat And on the right there is no figure. And
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: also here on the the second window from the west
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: side right and the window, the boxes seemed to be
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: less stacked as high. So if there was someone on
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: the sixth floor doing some shenanigans, they definitely rearranged the
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: boxes shortly after. I think no bungled no, no no.
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: And this is another one rob also from a picture
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: I found in six seconds in Dallas. If you look
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: here or on the on the sixth floor here you
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: see that same kind of person almost or the image
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: of outline of a person here. And also a similar
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: type of image here box is a little higher. Let's
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: go back. It could be the angle. I don't know.
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: But and in this recently discovered photograph by Jack Weaver,
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: taken only seconds before the shooting, the same figure appears
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: on the sixth floor. Now this is a photo I
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: cut in half, but this would be that person here
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: and you can't really see the alleged Oswalt.
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: It was recently discovered in nineteen sixty seven, No right now, recently.
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just sating. But that was
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: very That was very interesting that I found a couple
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: of pictures of that, because this article goes very deep
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: into the boxes. And and by the way, if Oswalt's
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: we're gonna get into the fingerprints in a second. If
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: Oswalt's finger fingerprints are found on boxes near the sniper's nest,
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: I have news for you guys. That means absolutely nothing.
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: He was part of the he was part of the
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: sixth floor crew moving boxes. You could have probably put
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: his fingerprints on half the boxes there, or a good
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: amount of them. That literally means nothing. And I actually
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: have a point or two about some of the fingerprint
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: stuff they have when we get to it, Rob, But
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: it really means nothing that his fingerprints were found on
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: some boxes on the sixth floor, as that was literally
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: what he was doing. That was his job.
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: Yes, he wasn't on the sixth floor floor laying crew,
• 57:47
  Speaker 7: but he was working, you know, collecting boxes that day
• 57:50
  Speaker 7: as well as that week, as well as that month,
• 57:54
  Speaker 7: as well as half the month before that, So finding
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: his fingerprints on boxes on the six floors not unusual.
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: And no, Bunglwood was not mack Wallace's print. Yeah, I
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: haven't seen the chat in a minute because I was
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: looking at things.
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: But uh yeah, So let's get into a little bit
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: about chain of custody, folks.
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: That's good. We all know about.
• 58:22
  Speaker 7: A good chain of custody is meticulously documented. It's a
• 58:28
  Speaker 7: legal term that refers the ability to guarantee the identity
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: and integrity of items collected as evidence on a crime scene,
• 58:35
  Speaker 7: and it's mostly used for the purposes of litigation. In
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: a court, it is necessary to have a written record
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: that documents the possession, handling, and location of evidence from
• 58:44
  Speaker 7: the moment it's collected until it's used in court. A
• 58:48
  Speaker 7: well maintained chain of custody in addition to assuring contamination
• 58:52
  Speaker 7: alterations not taking place. The chain of custody establishes proof
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: that the item is selected at the crime scene is
• 58:59
  Speaker 7: the same evidence that is presented in court. Now, based
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: on Day's testimony, it appeared at the chain of custody
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: for the casings is questionable because it is the envelope
• 59:11
  Speaker 7: was unsealed and the names of persons possessing physical possession
• 59:16
  Speaker 7: of end note of the corresponding time period were not
• 59:20
  Speaker 7: documented on the envelope. Apparently from the time of collection
• 59:24
  Speaker 7: at approximately at approximately until ten pm that evening. It
• 59:31
  Speaker 7: is unknown who possessed the casings. And these are the
• 59:36
  Speaker 7: empty shell cases, folks, Belan, had the shelves been out
• 59:41
  Speaker 7: of your possession then day? Mister Sims had the shells
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: from the time they were moved from the building or
• 59:49
  Speaker 7: he took them from me at that time, and the
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: shells I didn't see him again until ten o'clock that evening, Belan,
• 59:56
  Speaker 7: who gave them to you? At ten o'clock day? They
• 59:59
  Speaker 7: were in the this group of evidence being collected to
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 7: turn over to the FBI. I don't know who brought
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 7: him back. Was the envelope sealed, No, sir. Had it
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: been sealed when you gave it to mister Sims, No,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 7: sir No. Was the envelope sealed day?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: No, sir, No, sir no.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 7: But in direct conflict with Day's testimony, Dallas Police crime
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 7: scene detective Richard Simms testified that he did not retain
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 7: possession of the casings when they were collected. Sims says,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 7: I picked him up from the floor and had an
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 7: envelope there and held the and he held the envelope open.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: Bauld You didn't take them into your possession, did you, Sims? No, sir,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: I don't believe I did. So, you know, if this
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 7: case would have ever gotten to court. And look, I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 7: blame the FBI more than anything, but the collection of
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: the evidence matters when it comes to a chain of
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: custody and who has it in their possession. Because at
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 7: some point these shells were supposedly in Fritz's pocket. There's
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 7: rumors that he picked them up threw them back down
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 7: on the ground, and the pictures that we see of
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 7: these shells aren't actually where they where they landed. There's
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 7: also allegations that they were in somebody's desk for a
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 7: certain amount of time that were unsecured, just in the
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 7: desk drawer, and in some of the evidence photos we
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 7: see two shells instead of three. So what is really
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 7: going on here, you know, which brings us to another
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 7: good point. And the Dallas Pleet police of nineteen sixty.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: Three were.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 7: Very bad about this, and that is souvenirs, okay. So
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 7: after they had gotten the evidence back from the FBI.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 7: Then Oswald gets killed. They know there's not going to
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 7: be a case. There's not going to be a court
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: case because hey, he's dead. Now, that was our guy.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: He did it.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: Moving on, okay, right, and I have this book.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 7: There's a book by Gary Savage about his uncle, Rusty Livingston,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: who was a detective assigned to the Dallas Police crime
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: Lab at the time of the assassination, who admitted he
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 7: kept five original photographs showing fingerprints located on the trigger
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 7: housing of the rifle allegedly used by Lee Oswald. An
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: original fingerprint card taken from Oswald in the morgue in
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: the mod was also retained by Livingston. Savage claims Livingston
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 7: kept eight by ten photographs that were never forwarded to
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 7: the Warren Commission. Excuse me, this action was clearly a
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 7: breach or chain of custody for evidence in the criminal
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: investigation of Kennedy's death. It's rumored that Gerald Hill, Dallas
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: police sergeant, provided EVIDENTIARIREA photographs to author Judy Bonner for
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 7: her book Investigation of a Homicide, The Murder of John F.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 7: Kennedy In nineteen sixty nine. Detective Studebaker, who took many
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: of the crime scene photographs inside the depository, told the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: House Select Committee that he made numerous copies of evidence
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: photos for fellow officers. The HSCA received first generation photographs,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 7: meaning they were made directly from the original negatives from
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: such individuals as the widow of Dallas police officer Roscoe White,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: the widow of George de Mornin Shield, and Dallas detective
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 7: Richard Stovall.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: Sir, Plea, you know it's insane to me, it is,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: It's crazy, and Rob this is actually I found something.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: I went to mister student Baker's HCA testimony today after
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: reading this, and I want to just share this really
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: quickly because it's exactly what you're talking about in terms
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: of selling evidence. This is the HSCA testimony of Robert Studebaker.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: Now this guy is asking him pretty specifically, asked him
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: a couple of times before this about the guy that
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: had a safe full of evidence. Yeah, so the hsc investigator,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: mister Cronwell, now I asked you once. I'm going to
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: ask you again just to let me be sure you
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: focused on the same concept I had since nineteen sixty three.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: Have you attempted to sell any of these photographs, mister Studebaker,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: I have had people try to sell them for me. Okay,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: mister Cornwell, who was that, mister Studebaker. Johnny grizz A
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: Skiffuza Grizafi said that he wanted to write a book
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: or something, you know, and every time somebody found out
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: that you were part of the assassination they wanted to
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: make some money off of it also, and that he
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: was one of them that tried to cash in on it.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: You say he had an idea for cashing in on this, yes, sir,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: what was his idea? As mister Studebaker, As far as
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: I can remember, he wanted to make a book, write
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: a book about something. He could sell it for profit.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: But I wouldn't have sold them. They were affront for you.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: Cornwell goes, Oh what he goes? Affront you know, a
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: front for me. I wouldn't sell them myself. They were
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: selling them for me. Time out. This is ridiculous differences,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying, mister Studebakers, like I didn't sell
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: Cornwall is like like hammering down on him. He's like,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: did you sell them? He's like, no, I had someone
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: sell them for me. You know, A front person and
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: mister cornwell, this is like kind of I think he's
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: kind of shocked that he's saying this Studi Baker and
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: he goes and says as a collection. As a collection,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: there was a bunch of stuff, and what was the
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: price that this was going to be obtained? I mean,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: this is his gold here, guys, I don't recall. Do
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: you have a rough idea, mister Cornwall, the Studi Baker
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: twenty thousand dollars something like that, So it's big money
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: in the sixties. You have quick math at a zero,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: the quick Math it's not exactly it's going to be
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: a little more than that now, but essentially two hundred
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: grand right from twenty thousands.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: Not speaking of math, Joe, I have remind me when
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 7: you get done.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: Here, what you're going to put me on the spot
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: with math. No, I need to do. I need to
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: do me a call from the last episode. So okay, oh,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: just remind me when we're done. Oh boy, okay, what
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: would a this is, mister Cornwall, the HCA, what would
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: a perspective purchaser have obtained, if anything, besides the set
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: of photographs for twenty thousand dollars. That's it. That's all,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: mister Schudbaker says. There are a number of items of
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: evidence which have never been located, and good reason to
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: believe that they at one time existed in connection with
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: the assassination investigation. Some of these items apparently appear here
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: in your photographs. So this guy gave photographs to the
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: HSCA and none of them had ever been seen before.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: Do you know have any physical evidence that was ever obtained?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: And it kind of goes on, But one last thing,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: and we're just going to go back to the sixth
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: floor for a second. And I found this in his
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: u his file. This was an FBI report from May
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 5: twenty nine, sixty four. Studie Baker stated that the sack
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: and bottle we're talking about the chicken bones.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 8: Here.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: We're sitting in front of the building facing elm and
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: in the third aisle from Houston Street, so not the
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: second as we heard before. Studebaker stated that when the
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: lunch sack was first found, it had contained the chicken
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: bones and to the best of his recollection, a piece
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: of waxed paper which I'm guessing was used to like
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: wrap the chicken. He stated that one of the officers
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: searching the place later emptied the sack, leaving the chicken
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: bones on the floor near the area where they were found.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: So just consider like an officer coming up, oh, chicken bones,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: just like putting all these greasy chicken bones, and just
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: like we talk about like preservation of evidence, right, and
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: you just see some scafoos up there, just like now
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: they're on the floor with.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 7: Cool cigarettes, cool filter cigarette butts on the floor.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: So I thought that was funny. And I found that
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: little tidbit in his testimony to the HSCA that's like, yeah,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: well I didn't sell them. Other people saw them for me,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: so it's not bad. And like he didn't understand that
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: like that was bad. He thought like that would be
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: getting around it, really and like the guy, mister Carmle's like,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: excuse me what I see? It was just really funny, man.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 7: All Right, So we're gonna take a quick break from
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 7: this DPD investigation real quick. Okay, just briefly, because apparently
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 7: I made a statement on the last show that was
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 7: basically mathematical nonsense, but at the time I said it,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: it made sense in my head for some reason, and
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 7: somebody told me that I was doing Steiner math. Do
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 7: you know what Steiner math is, Joe, I do not. Okay,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 7: when the wrestling world right down the street from you
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 7: and the World Wrestling Federation right there's a gentleman by
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 7: the name of Scott Steiner who used to wrestle with
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 7: his brother Rick and they were the Steiner brothers, and
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 7: then they split up and went solo, and Scott Steiner
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 7: did this promo. It's probably been ten years ago and
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 7: he's only two minutes long. I just want to show
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 7: you everybody what Steiner math is. Okay, for those who
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 7: don't know, it's a good laugh. And then I promise
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 7: we'll get right back into the stuff. But here is
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 7: Steiner math the rob is guilty of doing last week,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: Scott Steiner.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: It's going to be a freeway for the TNA Heavyweight
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: title of sacrifice between you, Kurt Angle and Samoa Joe. Now,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 6: before you get there, you have an important step tonight
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 6: as you and ex division champion Pete Williams take on
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 6: the unlikely duo of Kurt Angle and Samoa Joe.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: You know they say all man our career today quo.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: But you look at me, and you look at small Joe,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: and you can see that statement is not true. See. Normally,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: if you go one on one with another wrestler, you
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: got fifty to fifty chance of winning. But I'm a
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: genetic freak and I'm not normal. So you got twenty
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: five percent at best at beating me. And then you
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: add turn angle to the mix. Your chances of winning
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: trass to go down.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: See the three way.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: At sacrifice, you got a thirty three and a third
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: chance of winning, but I I got a sixty six
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: and two third chance of winning because turn Angele knows
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: he can't beat me, and he's not even gonna try,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: so small Joe, you take your thirty three and a
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: third chance minus my twenty five percent chance, and you
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: got an eight and the third chance of winning at Sacrifice.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: But then you take my seventy five perchance chance of winning.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: If we used to go one on one and they
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: add sixty six percents, I got one hundred and forty
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: one and two thirds chance of winning at sacrifice. See, Joe,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: at Sacrifice.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: See but I'm gonna break it down for you, ladies.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: Would you rather be with me or would you rather
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: be with Joe?
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: Well, I think that's kind of nice.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, see, you're one of those girls
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: that like romance. I'm gonna talk to all my freaks
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: out there. Would you rather come home to me, a
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: genetic freak to be satisfied every night? Or go home
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: to that fat ass small Joe. See tonight we're gonna
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: win and I'm gonna be the world champion at sacrifice.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: Come on, p He's girl gotty, just like you always say,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: big Papa Pump has got your hookup. Well, mapple leaf
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: muscle is who you need to look up?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 7: Holler if you hear that?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: Huh that always makes me laugh.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 7: Yes, I was guilty of some Steiner math last week,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 7: and I apologize for that. But now the world knows
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: about Steiner math. Our British friends across the pond know
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 7: about Steiner math, and uh yeah yeah, well to that point, Rob, you.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: Know statistics, polling things of like financial reports, Like there
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: is an old quote from like Game of Thrones, like
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 5: numbers are meant to be like manipulated, Like they're just
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: numbers on a page. You can make them do whatever
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: you want. Like that's why I never trust, Like I'm sorry,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: like financial reports or polling or anything. Statistics are literally
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: meant to be manipulated. Sorry, that's the truth. That's just
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: the truth. And when you quote statistics to someone in
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: an argument, they're never going to look at the sample
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: size or go back and look at the polling and
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: like it's just all bullshit. I'm sorry. So that makes
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: it that resonates with me. I had never seen that before.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: So thank you. And hello Ashley, thank you. We take
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: you some. And Joe, Yes, the news snow and Joe right,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: yeah you're Jo. Sure it did come in it it
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: does look good. But you know what, Rob, I got
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: a couple of new stickers.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 7: Oh, I have not seen that one yet. The long
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: can like it.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: I think this is yes, and I have them up here,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: but they were going to fallow. But since twenty fourteen
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: sticker yeah and yeah, I have the other one somewhere.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: It fell but yeah, definitely uh cool stickers and and
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: and merch. And I think Rob and I are are
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: our biggest customers of the merch.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 7: Hey, we love our merch, we get it, we pay
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 7: for it makes us lo l and so Joe wearing
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 7: the Joey Scars shirt is epic.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: I just want you all to know that, yeah, and
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: this is what I'm gonna wear when I conquered the scooter.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 7: At last was a girl like really, joe really, she
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 7: she kind.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: Of had like a purples face. She was like, what
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: are you doing here?
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 10: I was like, Joey's she knows about the scooter incident,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 10: right of Oh yeah, oh yeah. I mean I came
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 10: back with like a my arm like completely bandaged, and
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 10: you got mugged.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: An oak Cliff.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 7: I want to say to Mike too, who was who
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 7: braved oak Cliff at night?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: Recently?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 7: He got some good footage of the inside of the
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 7: Texas Theater that will we might use in the future
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 7: when we're talking about it. But uh yes, when I
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 7: was there, I I got I was on the outside
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 7: of it, but I didn't get to go inside.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: It was locked up. Nobody was there.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 7: So it's nice to see the interior of the Texas Theater.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 7: So thank you Mike for having that footage and showing
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 7: it to us and sharing it with us. And like
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 7: I said, well we have it, and uh yeah, if
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 7: we ever need it, it's in our back pocket.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: TD has some news here. YouTube channel Project JFK was
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: talking about Lone gun And podcast. This week, Larry Rivera
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: was talking about transcriptions and the Mexico tapes. Were they
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: talking about us in a good way or bad way?
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: We're in a Cory Hughes way. Are they associated with them?
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: Oh? Okay, uh no. But Corey Hughes also mentioned us
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: in his in his show interesting, I know you sent
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: me the screenshop, but I didn't actually hear what he
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: had said. Oh you didn't.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 7: Well, you know what, Joe, that's the beauty of having
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 7: a live show where we have the capability to actually
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 7: look things up and share our screens.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, this is gonna be great. This is live,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: this is live pod in that it's best here, folks,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 5: ladies and gentlemen.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 7: Mm hmm, I think it's this one.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: Pardon me while I find this and Tiny Dancer send
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: send us an email with the timestamp of that. If
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 5: you can do that, email me. What is the name
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 5: of this freaking show? The scaffozas of JFK. No, it's
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: not called that. Who sent me that? I think it
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: was an email. I think it was an email to
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: the Lone gum And podcast from our buddy who shall
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: remain nameless. Yes, We have a lot of confidential informants there, Sir,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: got to keep the sources protected. I just said, read
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: Joe Backus's new column destroys Rivera's pseudo analysis. Okay, that's
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: what it's called. What.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 7: I'm not even going to mention it on here and
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 7: give them any It just will allow me to find
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 7: the clip I need. Maybe.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, wow, raisis channel. No, Okay, that probably blocked you. Well,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: let's just say I left a not so nice comment. Yeah,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: I did leave a pretty that's what you said to me.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: I think nice comment. It wasn't that not nice? Though?
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: I thought it was fine?
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 7: All right, Joe, let me I got it queued up here.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 7: I just need to share my screen. I'm gonna get
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 7: the popcorn ready, Sir, get the popcorn ready, folks, Yeah, present,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 7: share screen.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 11: Share a screen. Okay, yeah, that's the one I want
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 11: to share. Okay, can you see this, Joe?
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: I can't. Okay, here we go. It's right near the
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: beginning of the show. I think.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, good morning, everybody, Welcome back, Corey Hughes Bloody History.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: So we spend a little bit of time on We
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: spend a little bit of time on Rhinehart Galen, And
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: if you're interested in more information on Rhinehart Galen in
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: the Galen organization, I highly advise that you tune into
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: my sub stack, which is substack dot com.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: And everyone else involved this focuses on.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: World War two, Hitler, Holocaust, all that good, juicy stuff
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: that no one wants to touch.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: So, but I've been spending a couple of days here
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: on Jack Ruby. We've got literally more pages of Jack
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: Ruby documents to get through than we'll ever be able
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: to get through.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 5: And so.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: The only good place to start is at the beginning.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: And so we're eighty five pages into this four seven
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: and twenty three page file. Now, obviously we're not gonna
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: we're not gonna steamroll through this.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: This will take years to get through.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: But we're gonna spend some time on it because we
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: need to, because I have a feeling that amongst these
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: fifteen or sixteen thousand pages of Jack Ruby files that
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: we have, there's some nuggets of juicy stuff in there.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: In the first hundred pages, we've already got the statements
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: of the guy who saw Jack Ruby down in Houston
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: on the twenty third right, which totally smashes. The official narrative,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: k Ruby was supposed to be in Dallas all weekend,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: but he wasn't. Samuel Ruby was in Dallas. Jack Ruby
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: went to Galveston and on the twenty thirty seems to
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: have stopped at the store and bought the wit.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 7: Let me just pause it there for a second and
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 7: reiterate the point he's trying to make is that Jack
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 7: Ruby's brother, Sam Ruby is impersonating Jack Ruby in Dallas. Well,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 7: Jack Ruby is in Houston buying the gun, and he's
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: going to shoot Oswald Allegedly.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: Witness thinks he bought a gun, but I don't know.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: He just tells me. There's a lot more information on
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: that I need to dig into on the gun that
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: Jack Ruby used. So one thing I need to point
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: out is that a lot of this research things unlike
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: the gun itself and like the serial number and its
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: history and where he got it and all this has
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: really been done before, like it's been tracked before. But
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: here's the fucking problem. And I'm going to comment on
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: this real quick before we get started. Here we go, folks,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: the Hey morning, Jim.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 7: The uh.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: The problem is that, like I'm seeing large quantities of
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: totally valid Kennedy research from yesterday. I'll call it the
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: previous era of Kennedy research that's there but has kind
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: of just it's sitting in a in a cul de sac, right,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: It's not going anywhere. It's in a dead end. And
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: this stuff needs to be rehashed and re brought to
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: the surface and introduced to an entirely new audience because
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: the the existing JFK research community is the biggest bunch
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: of fucking jerk offs that's ever existed in the history
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: of mankind.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: Okay, And it.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: Doesn't even matter if the JFK research community could like
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: straight up fucking come up with goddamnum Jack Valente's everything
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: fucking that he did that fucking day, and it would
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: go into the trash bin of history because nobody buys
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: anything that they're selling it anymore. There's not a single
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: person connected to that JFK research community that anybody has
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: any confidence in. Their work is dog shit and nobody
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: should have any confidence in it, and so it doesn't
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: matter what they can. They they get solved the whole
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: fucking thing today and be like, hey, this is the answer,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: and people are going to look at them like their
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: fucking hairs on fire, because it's ridiculous at this point,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: and they've been they've been getting high on their own
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: supply for so fucking long that they don't even have
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: a fucking clue what time it is. If you want
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: to if you want excellent evidence that the JFK reach
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: community has no idea what time it is, listen to
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: the Lone Gunman podcast hosted by Rob Clark like him
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: and his h I don't know his co host, so
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to comment on him, but Rob is
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: the most fucking unbelievable person in the research community, if
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: you want to call him that at all. That fucking
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: guy has never solved the fucking thing in ten years,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: and they just came out with their three hundredth episode
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: of their podcast. It's fucking pathetic. I've been doing this
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: show for a little over a fucking year and I
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: got one hundred and sixty something episodes. So that is
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: the epitome of the state of.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: The Let me pause it right there now.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 7: This douchebag, Okay wants to call me out by name,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 7: and I guess he's nice enough not to disparage you, Joe,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 7: because he doesn't know you yet, but you will thank you.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 7: His podcast has one hundred and fifty five subscribers, and
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 7: this episode, as of today after three days, has thirty views.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 7: So eat my ass, Corey Hughes, eat it. I've never
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 7: claimed to have solved anything about the JFK assassination, have I, Joe?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 7: Have we ever claimed to solve anything?
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: I don't think we have. I think we have found
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: out some pretty good things in the less than a
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: year that you and I have been That's called research, Joe.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: And what do we do on a weekly basis.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 7: We dig up crap from the past that's been overlooked
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 7: and give it a second set of eyeballs on it. Okay,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 7: so you know our podcast is not called solving JFK.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 7: That's somebody else's. Hey, this is the Lone Gunman podcast.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: That's right. Yeah, and yeah.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 7: And I have a job, and I have a family,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 7: and I have kids. I don't have time to get
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 7: on here and podcast every day, dude, nor do I
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 7: want to. Okay, I have a life.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: It's not a job. It's not about quantity per se.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: Although once a week what we do is not easy
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: to prepare for either. When you have a life, and
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: kids and family and other things going on. Rights. It's
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: hard enough to do a show a week. But it's
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 5: about quality, not really quantity. And exactly, I think based
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: on who we heard from in the last episode, number
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: three hundred, as he alluded to a lot of researchers
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: from a lot of different walks of the research community,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: and I had more that either responded late or whatever.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: But you know, a lot of people appreciate your work,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: you know, over the course of time, as we heard
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: from the messages. I mean, these weren't people just blowing
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: smoke up the tailpipe. You know, people that really appreciate
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: what you've done over time.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 7: And and but it's not even about careless what I've
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 7: done or what I think I've done. I haven't done
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 7: anything really except discuss things about the assassination with a
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 7: million and a half things, mixed suppositions based on documents
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 7: and evidence and testimony. Yeah, I haven't solved anything.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I don't. I don't think anyone's really solved anything.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 7: To be fair, you know, he wants to say Jack
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 7: valenci on the Grassy Knoll took the kills shot, and
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 7: he solved the case. That is complete and utter horseshit
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 7: with a capital H and a capital as complete and nonsense.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 7: So anyway, screw that guy.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: Yep, let's get back to you and Betty Bobo. Yeah,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: Jackie pulled the string on the squib. Yeah we uh,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: we dealt with that with our our friend Crystal Mark,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: who that is his top theory. Uh. Yeah, But listen,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: what are you gonna do?
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 5: You're never gonna you could be the best researcher in
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: the world. You're never gonna make everyone in this community happy.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 5: You could solve the case and people won't accept that.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: I will agree with that part. Some people will not.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but you actually have to solve the case, not
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 7: have a ridiculous theory that Jack Valente is on the
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 7: Grassy Knoll shooting and then runs down and gets in
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 7: the Secret Service. Follow up, car, I mean seriously, and
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 7: that there's Hasidic Jews lined up on Houston Street.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: Get the f out of here.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 7: You're a clown with wearing clown shoes, with clown ideas,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 7: and you are, you, sir, in case you haven't noticed yet,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 7: are the laughing stock of the JFK community, the laughing stock.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 7: And I highly regret giving you your first ever platform,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 7: just spewing your nonsense many years ago, mister X, so
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 7: go after yourself on the granty note.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: Okay, hold on, we have a good message from Momo.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: You can read it as I searched or something real quick.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 7: Momo sitting here with me, fuming, Who is this piece
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 7: of shit?
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: I know, Doug, I know, dude. That's there's a reason
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 5: why you don't know who this is.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 7: Okay, he's got insane theories. He thinks he solved the case,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 7: but nobody's paying any attention to him. I wonder why.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 7: I wonder why.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, sorry, I was looking for a Momo clip,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: but uh, he just said, well, fuck is this piece
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: of shit? That's my best Momo shit. All right, let's
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: get back to it here.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 7: Sorry for the delay, dude, old slacker, that pussy would
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 7: never show up in Dallas ever.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and we don't promote violence on the show, but
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: you know we would. We would be willing to go
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: to like one of those like what is it like
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: boxing or thing gems like sparring things that's.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 7: Like about board right for yourself, Joseph. Down here in
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 7: the South, we don't play that shit. Okay, it's on
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 7: site down here.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, we you know, we we we try
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 5: to stick to relative facts and documents, and.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I like that James Texas death match with barbed wire.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 5: Yes, it's like the guy from The Walking Dead that
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: had the bat with the bald the barbed wire. Meagan
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: and Scott wins.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 7: The comment of the Evening so far, Uh you got
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 7: that right?
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 5: Good?
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 7: Gracious? Yeah, I'd do some Stanner math over his fallen body.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: Let me tell you some.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 7: Corey Hughes has a zero percent chance and Rob has
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 7: a one hundred and fifty seven percent chance of winning.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 7: So Rob, yes, sir, I thought if.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 5: We got back into this here, we would go into
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 5: the finger prints. I had a a couple of fingerprint training.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 5: I have to find exactly what page, but I had
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: some good points on that I wanted to talk about.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 7: Yes, please do, because according to the Russy Livingston or
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 7: Gary Savage book about his uncle Russey Livingston, he had,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 7: you know, all like five different pictures of Oswalt's prince
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 7: that were taking off the trigger guard of the rifle,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 7: which never made it into evidence.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: In fact, what was it? The FBI found the poem
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 5: print YEP, and the DPD didn't so.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, let's get into the fingerprints in the Dallas Police Department.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 5: Okay, And just for your reference, sir, I'm on page
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  Speaker 5: thirty six. Thank you, PAULA, oh, Paul, thank you ver much.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 5: Second sticker because I'm high pissed. Yeah, when I first
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: heard the stupid ship, I was pissed too. Yeah, and
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: I think I think we're pretty humble, right, we don't.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: We've never claimed to know what's you know to solve
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: the case. And going back to my recent guest appearance
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: out of the blank, I got a lot of those questions.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, I kind of headed my bets
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: because we really don't know, and we're objective and we
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: know our audience is smart and they can make up
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: their own mind with the evidence that we present. Right,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: we don't have to force our opinions on anyone. Really, Now,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: you don't to agree, it's you know, we like to
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: put the best evidence forward. You know, here's the documents,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: here's the testimony. It's hard to argue with exactly, all right,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: So let me go here. I'm just going to share
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 5: this little part. As I read developing latent fingerprints with
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: powders identify defining the absorbing characteristics of a surface is
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 5: paramount to the selection of the correct developing technique. Latent
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: fingerprints or porous surfaces such as paper, cardboard, and wood
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 5: should be developed chemically. Latent fingerprints on non porous surfaces
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: such as glass, metal, and plastics should be developed with powders,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: so this is important. Fingerprints on paper, cardboard, or wood
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 5: should be processed one way, and fingerprints on non poorous
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: surfaces such as glass, metal, and plastics should be processed
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 5: with powders in a different way. The most common method
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 5: for developing latent fingerprints is by a technique technique known
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: as powder dusting. Fingerprint powders are created from the volcanic
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: ash and come in various colors to ensure contrast with
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 5: the surface containing the latent print. The fingerprint powder adheres
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: to the moisture and oils left by the skin and
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: are transferred to the surface upond contact. The powder is
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: applied to the surface using a fiber brush and the
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: particles attached to the moisture of the impression the print
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: becomes visible. Once the print has been fully developed, it
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: should be photographed in place and then remove from the
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: surface with adhesive tape, developed in nineteen fifty.
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  Speaker 7: Sorry, didn't they dust the boxes? We're gonna gets classify
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 7: as porous material.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna get there, I promise, sir. Thank you.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 7: Perpetual Concepts. Wow, cheers the lone Gum and community. Absolutely,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 7: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you very much, sir.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: So Developed in nineteen fifty. Magnetic power. Maybe a woman Joe?
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 5: You don't know, oh, Perpetual Concepts. You are right, sir
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 5: or maam. Although it is a picture of a guy,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: so is it. I don't know. Maybe I'm not sure.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: You never know. These days. You can't be too you
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 5: can't be too safe. But thank you m Reynolds, sir
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 5: or ma'am or he or they or theirs or them, No,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 5: we love you. Perpetual Concepts, thank you again. Yes, we
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: were busting your balls.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 7: We know you have them.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 5: Yes. Developed in nineteen fifty, Magnetic powder was useful on
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 5: textured non metallic surfaces, including some paper. This paper was
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: compromised of regular fingerprint powder mixed with magnaneted sized iron
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 5: particles in place of a fiber brush, a magnetic what
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: say that word again, fiber brush? No mag magnetics magneticence magneticized. Yeah,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: iron particles. Did I say magnetized magnetized magneticized?
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 7: You were given the British pronunciation. Hey, that was for
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 7: sell aluminium.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: That was for sally. Uh. You know, I hadn't made
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 5: a speech, uh mistake in a long time, so.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 7: It was only but that was a good one. I'm
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 7: visualizing the shirt nail.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 5: Uh. The latent print was developed by gently moving the
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 5: ball of the magnetic powder over the surface to be
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 5: processed like regular fingerprint powder. Magnetic powder particles attached to
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 5: moisture transferred from the friction bridges blah blah blah at
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: the time of the assassination. Chemical development of latent fingerprints
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: on the paper or poor surfaces commonly included the use
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: of silver, nitrate, ninhydrone, or iodine. Each chemical fumes from superglue,
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 5: which one nin hudgen Uh. Maybe I don't know what
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: that is. Each chemical reacted to a different component of
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 5: latent fingerprints and could be used consecutively on paper products.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 5: Silver nitrate was the most common method used in nineteen
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 5: sixty three, was dependent upon a chemical reaction with silver
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 5: chloride present in finger print deposits. Silver nitrate has been
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: in use since eighteen ninety one wow. To develop latent
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 5: fingerprints on paper or untreated wood. The use of ninhydrone
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 5: was known to develop fifty year old prints from paper products.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: Ninhydron solutions were introduced in the mid nineteen fifties, so
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: they would have been the most recent technology as a
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 5: method of developing latent prints and applied by spraying, swabbing,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 5: and dipping reacts with amino acids. There were several techniques
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: available to the DPD to assist with developing latent fingerprints.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 5: Using the correct methods of determining. Developing prints from a
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: variety of surfaces increases the investigator's chance of success. So
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 5: remember we talked about the different techniques from paper and
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: from glass and plastic.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 7: Right, the absorber got is that what you get when
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 7: you see Lamborghini?
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: Get it? Joe A Carbona. I do know.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 7: I was ready, see I knew it. PC is a
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 7: forty six old dude in our target demographic.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: That's right. Oh wow, we don't have many of those.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 7: Well, you know what's funny, because you know we have
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 7: a lot of women, you know here as listeners.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: So I went on YouTube.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 7: Statistics and stuff where they tell you you know, you
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 7: who listens and all that stuff and how old they
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 7: are and yeah, the analytics, yes that word, and it
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 7: surprised the heck out of me, Joe, because our audience,
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 7: let's see here, age wives our biggest demographic and.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 5: Perpetual concepts. You're raised.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 7: It's forty five to fifty four in a thirty two percent,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 7: and then second behind that is fifty five to sixty four,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 7: and then after that it's sixty five plus. So we
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 7: got a lot of old folks listen, a lot of oldies,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 7: but goodies.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the young's will come.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 7: They'll come three percent, twenty five to thirty four.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: That's crazy.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 7: But the women representing a fifteen percent, which is pretty
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 7: big for a topic such as thus, So thank you
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 7: ladies for listening and showing up and being interested in
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 7: what we're doing here.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: Yes, we love our ladies for sure.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 5: Let's see, so back to the fingerprinting really quickly. Silver
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: nitrate and niadron would have been part of the uh curriculum,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 5: what part of the what curric's it's riculum? Oh? How
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 5: is it curriculum? I can't I'm getting tongue tied. Stop it.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: Curriculum all right, moving on. Uh any, it's it's bro.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 5: I've been reading like it's a hard to see, bro,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 5: I've been reading pages. You know what happens once in
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 5: a while. Curriculum. Yes, you didn't even say it right.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 5: Either did better than I did. But I said it
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 5: better than you.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 8: I know you did.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 5: I'll give you that. So, based on Lieutenant Day's testimony,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: it appears he attended an advanced in advanced Layton print
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: school conducted by the FBI, which combined his fifteen years
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: of experience, should strongly suggest he would have been familiar
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 5: with the available chemical Layton figure prints development techniques at
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 5: the time. Powders are not the best choice for developing
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 5: prints on paper products, yet it appears that was the
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 5: only process used on the sixth floor of the TSBD.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 5: So Lieutenant Day, who had gone to was in fifteen
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 5: years of doing this type of thing and then went
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 5: to a specialized FBI school for fingerprints, used the wrong
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: method for getting fingerprints off the cardboard boxes, which is
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: really inexcusable there, I mean, come on, and you have
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: to almost wonder if that's an intentional thing. In my opinion, well,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 5: I think it's just inemptitude. Well, it's one of the other, right,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: because you got to figure, Joe, how.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 7: How common was it for them to have a case
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 7: of this magnitude where they had to gather every single
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 7: shred of evidence in the you know, down to you know,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 7: buttons and flyers and shell I mean, you know, just everything.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 5: One hundred per one hundred percent. And so Fritz and
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: particularly Day should have been made certain that a chemical
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: development technique was utilized on the cardboard boxes discovered adjacent
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 5: the window believed to be the shooters. However, it appears
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: only powders were used to develop latent prints. And this
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: is a little clip from I think it's warrant mission,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 5: mister Beelin. Let me ask you this, in an effort
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 5: perhaps to save time and all of your processing of prints,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 5: did you use anything other than this black powder at
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 5: the scene that day? No, sir, so yeah, I mean,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: did he intentionally use the least efficient method method of
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: fingerprinting on the cardboard boxes? And I saw why. I
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: think we just talked about that. But that's what I
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 5: have written.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 7: And this is Lieutenant Day parading the rifle around DPD
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 7: headquarters with his fingers all over it and a very
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 7: sour look on his face, very very sour and a
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 7: bow tie.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: Look at that. He does not look happy to be there, Joe, No,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: that is for sure. Yeah, there's I mean, there's so
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 5: many instances of evidence mistakes here in.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 7: Terms of but the biggest breakdown of all in Dallas
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 7: Police Department in this case, Joe, are you ready for this,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 7: the biggest breakdown of all.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: Let's do it.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 7: Protection of the suspect. Yeah, seriously, as many every time
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 7: I see this photo, it never ceases to amaze me
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 7: how James Lavelle does the lean back and does nothing
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 7: to try to I mean, he's got his hands down
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 7: Oswald's pants, right, yeah, but he he's way too late
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 7: on the draw when it comes to doing something about
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 7: Jack Ruby. I mean, as soon as something, as soon
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 7: as he stepped out with a gun like that, he
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 7: had time to react and he didn't. And that's what
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 7: gets me. Not to mention the fact that you have
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 7: twenty Dallas Police officers within ten feet of Oswald and
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 7: this is what happens. Ye never ceases to amaze me.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 5: And this fifty two page article here, it doesn't even
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 5: go into that. So that'd be another fifty pages great,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 5: which is crazy, But if you want, I could read
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: the conclusion really quickly. Yes, all right, all right, So conclusion,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 5: the dpd's investigation of the TSBD created doubt concerning their
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 5: ability and truthfulness that is still being addressed today. Not
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 5: all evidence was collected, the authenticity of the collected evidence
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 5: is in question, and there is no documented uninterrupted chain
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: of custody for the collected evidence. So that pretty much
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 5: mean if there was a trial, at least in today's terms,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 5: a bunch of that evidence would be thrown out. If
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 5: there's no chain of custody, it's thrown out. It can't
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: be used in trial. Conflicting testimony is a strong indication
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 5: of critical evidence being compromised and of crime scene staging
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 5: for photography purposes. Woof overwhelming evidence suggests that officers conducting
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 5: the investigation inside the TSBD failed to follow national and
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: department protocols. The media had undrestricted access to the crime
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 5: scene and evidence, compromising the integrity of the investigation. Offers.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 5: Officers and properly collected key evidence then recreated the scene
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: an attempt to disguise that fact, and then the same
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 5: officers testified under oath that the crime scene had not
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 5: been compromised. The crime scene was processed by student Baker,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 5: who was markeably inexperienced, poorly trained, lacking the necessary skills
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 5: for such an assignment without proper supervision. Well, yeah, because
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 5: he was selling pictures for hundreds of thousands of collections
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 5: for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 7: And I'm sure he wasn't the only one, you know,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 7: as other people had copies of photos. Oswald poses that
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 7: the Warrant Commission didn't even have. You know, it's it's insane.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And poor choices concerning photography, sketching, fingerprint processing, and
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 5: the collection of evidence dominated the investigation of the TSBD.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 5: Items were collected without being photographed, and the shellcasings and
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 5: the boxes in the window were both moved and then
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 5: incorrectly replaced before being photographed. It is apparent their investigation
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 5: of the TSBD was lacking and evidently Carl Day agreed.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: Day the difference here was the national publicity and the
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 5: confusion surrounding it, which limited our opportunity for doing work
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 5: exactly as it should have done. So again he's yeah, exactly,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 5: he's giving an excuse saying it was so hectic, there
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: were so many people we couldn't secure.
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  Speaker 7: The car they were owned, and cut corners and didn't
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