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Marie Antoinette and the Diamond Necklace Hoax · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Well that's not entirely true, because we have the wonderful, incredible,
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  Speaker 1: very smart and well spoken Christopher Hasciotis who stepped in
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  Speaker 1: do that, and I was able to have my adventures
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  Speaker 1: and guilt free for the most part. And he's, uh,
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  Speaker 1: he's not only hilarious, but that guy's got a jaw
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  Speaker 1: hearing this, Christopher, Yeah, it is true though he professionally
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  Speaker 1: speaking has great tasting food. I want to I want
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  Speaker 1: to get something, air air out something right now before
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  Speaker 1: we get started in the show. Um. There was a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a Facebook message thread that was going
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  Speaker 1: on between me and Christopher yesterday, UM about the movie Mandy.
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  Speaker 1: I chimed in on a discussion about one of the episodes,
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  Speaker 1: you guys did I believe it was the Black Plague
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  Speaker 1: one because Christopher said that he absolutely hated Mandy and
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  Speaker 1: thought it was a terrible movie. And then he actually,
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  Speaker 1: in a later exchange, texted me they titled it Mandy,
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  Speaker 1: but a better name would have been Man, these are
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  Speaker 1: a hundred minutes of my life I'll never get back. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I chimed in on the thread and said, you're
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  Speaker 1: dead to me, Christopher aciotis dead all caps um, And
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  Speaker 1: then I wanted to clarify that he's not actually dead
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  Speaker 1: to me. That's just a movie that I kind of
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  Speaker 1: go to bat for kind of a lot. We're on
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  Speaker 1: the same page. I'm one of the people who got
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  Speaker 1: it into the theaters here exactly, I know for sure,
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  Speaker 1: and I know you. I know you're on my team.
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  Speaker 1: You're on team Mandy. But it's a it's a hill
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  Speaker 1: that I tend to die on because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people that movie was not for everybody, but apparently not
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  Speaker 1: for a boy Christopher, but I will not hold it
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  Speaker 1: against him and means in fact, not dead to me,
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  Speaker 1: but very much alive. We're very much on the same
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  Speaker 1: page about things, and I like that you're picking up
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  Speaker 1: hill to die on. I've been using that for a
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  Speaker 1: few months and I wanted to be back in uh
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  Speaker 1: popular parlance. We were what they call an arbiter of
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  Speaker 1: culture and language my friends. Yes, sir, I think I
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  Speaker 1: just get a pessed with things. I've ulso been going
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  Speaker 1: through this phase where I'm somewhat obsessed or I'm fascinated
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  Speaker 1: with hoaxes. I'm going through a hoax thing, like a
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  Speaker 1: good hoax. Noll who doesn't like a good hoax? Ben
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  Speaker 1: people who get hoaxed every exactly. So, where does our
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  Speaker 1: story take us today? We are traveling to France. We're
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  Speaker 1: traveling to France, not in these our modern days, but
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  Speaker 1: in the late summer of seventd five, where Europe is
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  Speaker 1: gripped by a scandal. Everybody is watching the news. This
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  Speaker 1: is a thank God there's no Twitter moment, right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm trying to bring anything back, or at least
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  Speaker 1: make something happen, it's pronouncing the word scandal as scandal,
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  Speaker 1: and this was one of those, to be sure. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: this involved a couple of important things. One the center
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  Speaker 1: of this scandal was a diamond necklace of absolutely immeasurable value.
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  Speaker 1: Well it was measurable, but it was pretty massive because
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  Speaker 1: it can pained, uh, something in the neighborhood of six
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty stones, and it weighed hundred carrots, which
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  Speaker 1: is a weight. As it turns out, I guess I
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  Speaker 1: didn't quite realize that, Benz. You. And it's not just gold, camerals, rubies,
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  Speaker 1: precious stones, pearls as well. Nowadays when you hear a carrot,
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  Speaker 1: it was a bit loosey goosey back in the glory
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  Speaker 1: days of the seventeen hundreds, but nowadays a carrot is
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  Speaker 1: about two hundred milligrams, and by about I mean exactly
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  Speaker 1: two hundred milligrams. And what kind of what were the
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  Speaker 1: stones in question in this particular piece of ostentatious jewelry. Diamonds. Diamonds, buddy,
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  Speaker 1: all diamonds. You gotta shine, you gotta sparkle, you gotta snap,
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  Speaker 1: crackle pop. If you're royalty, you go to diamonds. And
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  Speaker 1: this diamonds made by the Crown jewelers Boehmer and Bossange
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  Speaker 1: had gone missing. Missing. You say missing, I say, was
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  Speaker 1: there some sort of heist? Or how? How? How does
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  Speaker 1: a how does a piece of jewelry of such price
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  Speaker 1: go missing? They say, we have sold this to Marie
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  Speaker 1: Antoinette threw an intermediary, the Cardinal de Rohan. She denies
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  Speaker 1: any involvement. Uh moe, that is, and everybody knew she
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  Speaker 1: hated the Cardinals. She thought he was a real pill.
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  Speaker 1: She never would have made him her intermediate air used
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  Speaker 1: him as some kind of go between, right, and he
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  Speaker 1: denies this. It's like Cheryl Crowe picking us to deliver
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  Speaker 1: her next guitar. We made nice with Cheryl We. I
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  Speaker 1: love Cheryl Crow. I love Cheryl Crow. Have I talked
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  Speaker 1: about how much I love the bongos on every Day
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  Speaker 1: as a winding road? There's a really really important use
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  Speaker 1: of bongos in popular music. I think she's a brilliant songwriter.
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  Speaker 1: And I wish you would stop sending so much hate. Man,
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  Speaker 1: It's really it's really getting out of control. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: they had Mae Antoinette and the Cardinal de Rohan had
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  Speaker 1: this had this kind of ridiculous history Cheryl crow thing.
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  Speaker 1: And the question was why would may have asked the
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  Speaker 1: cardinal to act on her behalf? And I got it wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Ron did not deny it. Quite the opposite. He claimed
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  Speaker 1: to have had written, uh, in the queen's own hand,
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  Speaker 1: a letter instructing him to carry out this transaction. And she,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she publicly despised the guy, and she said
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  Speaker 1: that she wasn't involved. But now he's saying, he has,
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  Speaker 1: as you said, no written documentation. And he doubled down
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  Speaker 1: on this, right, he said, also furthermore, a year ago,
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  Speaker 1: not only did she did she write and sign this
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  Speaker 1: contract for sale that is in my possession, but a
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  Speaker 1: year before that she met me in secret of hers
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  Speaker 1: side in the garden of Versailles. It's true. Why all
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  Speaker 1: the cloak and daggery ben, why all the clandestineness lay
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  Speaker 1: it on me? Man? Why? Well, here's the thing, um,
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  Speaker 1: It caught the imagination of the public. It became like
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  Speaker 1: this kind of this, this whole affair involving the necklace
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  Speaker 1: became this like almost theatrical kind of charade. Right, But
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  Speaker 1: here's the thing. It had real consequences that resonated through
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  Speaker 1: the French Revolution. Absolutely, we should introduce another character here
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  Speaker 1: in this story. So we've got our players. We've got
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  Speaker 1: Moa Antoinette, and we've got Cardinal Rohan, the Grand Almoner
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  Speaker 1: of France. Almondr's not that fun a l m o
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  Speaker 1: An here. I thought he was just like a proprietor
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  Speaker 1: of like tasty almonds. He's in charge of all the
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  Speaker 1: almonds in France. You know, every every single one goes
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  Speaker 1: through him. And at the time, fun fact, ridiculous historians.
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  Speaker 1: You know how barbers were also qualified to be surgeons.
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  Speaker 1: People in charge of almonds were also qualified to be
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  Speaker 1: in charge of diamonds because they're both sort of small
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  Speaker 1: and stone like I think qualified as probably a strong word.
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  Speaker 1: But I see where you're going with this. So let's
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  Speaker 1: let's lay it out here. Let's let's lay out the
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  Speaker 1: players up to this point. We all you just did
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  Speaker 1: did the two main ones. We also have the jewelers
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  Speaker 1: Bohmer and Massan. She kind of take a backseat. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: There's a really great article about this that's called the
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  Speaker 1: Necklace that cost Marie Antoinette her life. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And that was in the Telegraph, and in it they
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  Speaker 1: talked about how from his place of exile on St.
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  Speaker 1: Helena Napoleon. Um actually kind of weighed in on this
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  Speaker 1: after Marie Antoine and met her untimely demise. Spoiler er,
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  Speaker 1: it's true. Yeah, it's in the movie. Um. The Queen's death,
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  Speaker 1: he said, must be dated from the Diamond Necklace trial.
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  Speaker 1: So Cardinal de Rohan was desperately trying to get into
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  Speaker 1: Moya Antoinette's inner circle. And the problem with this was
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  Speaker 1: that Moe's mother had warned her not to mess with
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  Speaker 1: Cardinal de Rohan. So it's sort of like that, justin
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  Speaker 1: Bieber song my Mom and don't like you and she
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  Speaker 1: likes everyone exactly exactly like that. It was exactly like that,
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  Speaker 1: and he was struggling. He had he had been caught
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  Speaker 1: making fun of Marie Antoinette in seventeen seventy one. It
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  Speaker 1: was it was literally like he made a funny meme
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  Speaker 1: about her and that got too back to her, so
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  Speaker 1: she swore never to speak to him again. And he
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  Speaker 1: thought his career was over. He thought he would never
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  Speaker 1: get a shot at Chief Minister, which is the position
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  Speaker 1: he really wanted. Until that is he met another character,
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  Speaker 1: one of the pivotal characters in today's story, and although
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  Speaker 1: her name is Gene. As far as I can say,
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  Speaker 1: I I've got to defer to you, Casey, how do
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  Speaker 1: we pronounce her title? It would actually be Jeanne because
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  Speaker 1: she's got two ends in an e Jean comtest de
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  Speaker 1: la motte valois voloisen. Is that okay? All right, we'll
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  Speaker 1: call her Jean Jean like a like a John's something, right,
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  Speaker 1: Casey on the case. But yeah, I'm never never, I'm
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  Speaker 1: never gonna be able to repeat any of that, So
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  Speaker 1: Jean from here from here on. Yes. She was descended
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  Speaker 1: from an illegitimate branch of the family, the royal family,
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  Speaker 1: and this was the dynasty that came before the Bourbons,
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  Speaker 1: and she had a terrible childhood. Her father was a
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  Speaker 1: hardcore alcoholic, her mother totally ghosted on her. She was
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  Speaker 1: taken in by an aristocratic family outside of Paris, but
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  Speaker 1: then she came back when she was an adult to
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  Speaker 1: Champagne and she was intent on getting her family land back,
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  Speaker 1: and then that plan fell through. She married a guy
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  Speaker 1: named Nicholas de la Monte. They went to Paris to
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  Speaker 1: try to get people to back them up, and it
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  Speaker 1: didn't really work. They got more and more destitute and
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  Speaker 1: into her ambition to establish herself as legitimate seemed uh
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  Speaker 1: worse some word some worse. So she is in dire
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  Speaker 1: straits as well when she meets cardinal. Yeah, it's true.
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  Speaker 1: And this becomes a real turning point when she meets Rohan. Um,
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  Speaker 1: he was kind of into her and didn't really have
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  Speaker 1: any problem um showing that he gave her money and
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  Speaker 1: it's very likely that they became lovers despite his I
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  Speaker 1: guess vow of celibacy. Right, isn't that a thing for
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  Speaker 1: a cardinal? You know? It's like everybody is supposed to
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  Speaker 1: use herd signals. That's also true. Uh, and jay walking
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  Speaker 1: is technically a crime. He told her that in order
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  Speaker 1: to restore her patrimony um, that she needed to go
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  Speaker 1: directly to the Queen. But as we said earlier, the
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  Speaker 1: Queen was not a fan of of Rohan. He was
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  Speaker 1: sort of like a little Finger type character, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he was. He was very considered kind of slimy and
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  Speaker 1: backstabbing by her because of his talking out of school
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  Speaker 1: and um, so this was not necessarily going to be
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  Speaker 1: something that he could help his new young lady friends
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  Speaker 1: with because he really had no pull, right, right, he
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  Speaker 1: had no he had no juice, no suction, as they
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  Speaker 1: say in the wire. So Sean, we can only imagine, says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, what this plan needs to really to really
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  Speaker 1: just make it pop is a little bit of theatricality, right,
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's go to the theatle with it. So she
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  Speaker 1: waits in the mirrored gallery of Versailles on candle mouse
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  Speaker 1: in and when the Queen walks by, Jean swoons and
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  Speaker 1: she is clutching her petition to get her land restored
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  Speaker 1: to her chest, and she's hoping that the Queen will
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  Speaker 1: see her fall out, you know, and and that she
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  Speaker 1: will say, oh no, who is this beautiful, uh put
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  Speaker 1: upon fainting woman and how can I help her? So
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  Speaker 1: she she essentially she fakes fainting, and the Queen walks
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  Speaker 1: right by and never asks who fainted. But this is
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  Speaker 1: not what she tells the cardinal. Instead, she tells her lover,
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  Speaker 1: the Cardinal, that the Queen had taken pity on her,
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  Speaker 1: had noticed, and that they had become b f F's Bniffles,
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  Speaker 1: that they had become best friends forever. Biffles and Mauie
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  Speaker 1: Antoinette was the kind of person who had this track record.
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  Speaker 1: It was totally within her m o to find and
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  Speaker 1: sort of adopt people, and she was somewhat reclusive despite this,
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  Speaker 1: so a lot of the people in court didn't really
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  Speaker 1: know her day to day circle of friends. And so
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  Speaker 1: now the tables have turned. Now the Cardinal is begging
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  Speaker 1: Seoan to broker some kind of I guess peace agreement
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  Speaker 1: with the Queen, you know, like, sorry about that meme,
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  Speaker 1: Sorry you found that funny note about you I was
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  Speaker 1: passing around. Let's be cool, And she agreed, and there
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  Speaker 1: was a increasing correspondence between the Cardinal and Moye, and
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  Speaker 1: the Queen promised apparently that he would eventually be Prime Minister. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot going on here. I want to take
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  Speaker 1: a little aside, just because I was looking into this
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  Speaker 1: while you were talking. Um, Candle Mass. It's a holiday
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  Speaker 1: that I was not familiar with. That is the day
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  Speaker 1: in which this original meeting took place. Um, and it
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  Speaker 1: has a fantastic extended name. First of all, it is
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  Speaker 1: the name of the Christian holy day wherein Mary and Joseph,
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  Speaker 1: forty days after the birth of Jesus, brought him to
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  Speaker 1: the temple to be purified. And uh, you know the
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  Speaker 1: rights of purification dedication performed on him, and that's something
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  Speaker 1: that is in the Torah as as necessary. And then
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  Speaker 1: that is actually described in the Book of Leviticus twelve
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  Speaker 1: one through four. But the extended name of candle Mass
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  Speaker 1: is the feast of the presentation of our Lord Jesus
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  Speaker 1: Christ and the feast of the purification of the blessed
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  Speaker 1: Virgin Mary. That's it. That's all I got. So where
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  Speaker 1: are we had now, Ben, There's a lot going on here.
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to take a little breath so we
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  Speaker 1: can collect ourselves. Well, we should also mention that an
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  Speaker 1: all minner, while while we're at definitions, is just one
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  Speaker 1: who distributes alms. So wanted distributes money to the poor.
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  Speaker 1: Not almond related. But yes, yes, So back to this correspondence.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is this correspondence that the cardinal beliefs is
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  Speaker 1: going very very well. Is all coming to him via joun.
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  Speaker 1: She is dictating the letters to a low goal. Um.
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  Speaker 1: They will call him a stationer at the time, like
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  Speaker 1: a stationary owner, someone who writes letters professionally. She's telling
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  Speaker 1: this guy what to write, and the cardinal is desperate.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, oh, you know enough of this. Clearly we
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  Speaker 1: get along I can't wait to be your prime minister.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do such a wonderful job. Let's meet in person,
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  Speaker 1: let's meet I r L. But the Queen always says,
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  Speaker 1: it's not quite the right moment for me to talk
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  Speaker 1: to the king about this. Just just you hold on,
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  Speaker 1: you hold on, And the Cardinal is becoming less and
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  Speaker 1: less patient, and Joan is saying, I gotta get some
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  Speaker 1: sort of situation where this guy at least feels like
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  Speaker 1: he's met the queen. Oh, by the way, she's still married.
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  Speaker 1: She's sleeping with his dude, but she's still married to
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  Speaker 1: this other. A man of the cloth. She's sleeping with
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  Speaker 1: a man of the cloth. Which cloth is that? By
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  Speaker 1: the moment? Is that the thing that goes around the
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  Speaker 1: neck is that the cloth? There is the cloth? There's there.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of cloth there. Now that probably weirds
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  Speaker 1: you out, doesn't you know? A fan of cloth? No? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what do you know? I'm okay with cloth costume. Wait
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  Speaker 1: a minute, I'm not think I'm thinking of our our
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  Speaker 1: mutual friend Frank. He's the one that doesn't like cloth
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  Speaker 1: and like like fabric e feelings. He's get a cotton
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  Speaker 1: cotton thing that's it. You're you're more of the metal, metal, cardboard, cardboard,
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  Speaker 1: phone calls any any material. Um. So yeah, No, she
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  Speaker 1: needed him to feel like he had had audience with
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  Speaker 1: the queen. And that's where and the less I'm mistaken,
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  Speaker 1: then we get our Marie Antoinette doppelganger or impersonator entering
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  Speaker 1: the picture. That's right, that's right. So her scali wag
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  Speaker 1: soldier husband Nicholas comes to her with an idea. I've
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  Speaker 1: been hanging around in the Palais Royale and I've been
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  Speaker 1: being kind of luche You guys, remember I finally got
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  Speaker 1: a chance to use Lucia Yett and trying to make
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  Speaker 1: Lucia happen. It's happening. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not trying to do things man Yoda style. This is
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  Speaker 1: just happening. And while he's air, he meets a sex
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  Speaker 1: worker named Nicole lick Way. She is blonde, blue eyed,
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  Speaker 1: and physically, you know, she looks like the Queen. She
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  Speaker 1: resembles her. He visits her, he gets to know her,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like Carnally, Well is that
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  Speaker 1: kind of establishment, Ben, isn't that kind of place? Well?
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  Speaker 1: Eventually eventually he uh, he's he's been hanging out with her,
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  Speaker 1: and he introduces her to his wife. Let's also not
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: forget that this was I mean, it's you can't forget
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: this is a time where unless you saw the Queen,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: if you saw the Queen in person, who was going
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: to be from from a distance, and most likely the
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: closest thing you'd ever get to actually see the Queen
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: would be some sort of paint painting, painted facsimilate, right,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: or a little cameo, little cameo or something exactly. Yeah,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: there's no proliferation of digital images or even photography, right.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: So he introduced is his friends to his wife. This
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: is my friend Nicole, Nicole Mitchel And uh, don't you
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: think she looks like the queen? What do you think, honey?
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: This is why I've been hanging out with her, because
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I'm helping you. I'm doing this for us. And so
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Jean takes to Nicole and we have a quote wherein
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: she is convincing Nicole to take part in some sort
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: of plan involving the Queen. So this is what Jean
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: says to her pal Nicole. She says, quote, I have
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the Queen's confidence. She and I are as close as
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: two fingers of a hand. That's a that's an interesting one.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to bring that back and make that happen. Um. Yeah,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: And then she goes on to say she has just
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: given me new proof of this and charging me to
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: find a person who could do something that will be
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: explained when the time comes. Wow, that is very vague,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: super vague, super vague. So does Nicole agree out of
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: a sense of patriotism or does she agree because she
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: gets fifteen thousand francs. You know, there's no sure answer.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: So later that evening they leave and they go to
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the LaMotte's apartment in Versailles, and still Shawn does not
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: explain the plan. Nicole says, Okay, you're being real vague
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: with me. Sis, what's going on with the queen? I
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: appreciate the money. Instead, Sean says, oh, it's the smallest
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: thing in the world. Uh, you have to meet the queen,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: but you can't do it without a title. So Jean
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: dubs her the Casey checked me on this. The baron doliva.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: God sounds so beautiful when you say it. Man, Casey's
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: on that case. So now she has a title Nicole
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: has been elevated in life. Oh and there's a funny
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: little detail in that Telegraph article that points out that
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: that is very close to an anagram of her own surname,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: which is a Valoi. Yeah. It's sort of like a
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: sort of like in all those films where the character
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: is named, uh, dr Alucard turns out to be Dracula. Spoiler.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Just so, just so so. Now Joan is is grooming
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Nicole and dressing her up, and she gives her a letter,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: and she says, Hey, Nicole, I'm gonna lead you to
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: the park of the Palace and then you're going to
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: hand this letter over to this really snazzy dude that
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: you'll meet there. I'm paraphrasing. She did not actually say
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: snazzy dude. Yeah, but surely he was very well dressed.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Sure Oh he was all snazz. He definitely was. I
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: like that phrase to anaz. Oh and then there's this
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: perfect beautiful detail. It's just the kind of thing out
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: of like a heist movie or sort of at least
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: some kind of you know, grand caper of some sort,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: where she had to hand a rose, a red rose
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: over with the letter um and she's instructed to say
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to this snazzy person, this all snazz guy. Uh, he
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: will know what this means, and the Queen will be
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: there to see how the interview goes. She'll be watching
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: from the wings. When one must assume, oh no, no.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: She even goes on to say she will speak to
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: you later. She will be behind you. So this is
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: just a reality show, is it sounds? Folks? This poor,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: poor Nicole is given this fake title and she is
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: literally handing a rose to a guy. No matter what
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: he says. She's only supposed to say, you know what
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: this means? Can you believe it? Anyway? She she is
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: on board. She is roughly a million percent on board,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: hook line and sinker. She is all about it. She's
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: freaked out. She's going to meet one of the most
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: powerful people in her country. And she's in the garden,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the groove of Venus, specifically, it is incredibly dark. She
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: can't see anything, she doesn't really hear anything. She's just
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: walking around in the dark, and she's wondering where the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Queen's hiding, and where's this dude. Where's this all snaz
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: dude that she's supposed to meet. So we should backtrack? Ever,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: so slightly at this delightful cliffhanger that you set up
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: so beautifully. But um, Joan had been kind of dangling
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: the queen, let's say a little bit in front of
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Rohan in terms of, you know, the possibility of him
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: meeting her and make making things better between them, right,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: or at least having him have that chance of a
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: lifetime to worm his way into her inner circle. Let's
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: be honest, this guy seems a little wormy. For weeks
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and weeks, she's been sort of teasing this little finger
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: of our story. You made that comparison earlier. I quite
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: like it. And then he would hang out, just literally
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: loiter around Versailles, hoping to run into it. And it
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: wasn't until August twelve that he gets word from Joan
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: that he can meet the queen, but he asked to
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: meet her secretly at night in the garden essentially, and
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Mayu was not yet ready to reveal their agreement to
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: the public. So he hung around and he actually did
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: not dress all snazz. He was dressed in all black,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and he had a hat on. He was looking conspiratorial,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Totally, it's like the period
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: equivalent of like a trench coat and some sort of
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: for sure for sure. So he's waiting around. He's like,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: is this gonna be another fruitless night of waiting? The
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: things I do to be prime minister he's thinking. He's
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: probably also thinking, I have so many alms to give
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: in the morning. And then all of a sudden, who
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: runs up to him. Not the Queen, not in nical
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: but first Sean, it's our girl John. He really is
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: a little bit almost more out little fingering, the little
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: finger of our story. Um. She is panting, she's out
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: of breath, she's very upset, or she's flustered at least,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: maybe not in the outright upset. But she tells him
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: who is upset, and that's the Queen. The Queen is
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: very upset because she's so very much wanted to have
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: this encounter with Rohan. And but that's not gonna be
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: possible because the Queen's sisters in law have kind of,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know, headed her off at the past I guess,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: or you know, done a surprise walk and talk. Yeah,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: she couldn't get out of it. So uh, he's gonna
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: have to hang back Rohan. Um, this is what John
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: is telling him, and that she the Queen plans to
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: scadattle out of there, you know, put in a little
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: face time, and then make an excuse and then abscond
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: off to meet secretly to keep the meeting. But it's
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: gonna have to be quick, and it's gonna be very
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: clutch because they're hot on their heels. She doesn't want
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: anyone to see this absurdly suspicious character because it seems
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: like he's supposedly dressing for secrecy, but I would think
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: he would be very suspicious looking dressed that way. It's
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: absolutely true. He's trying to look inconspicuous, and you know,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: there's a point where you reach diminishing returns with dressing inconspicuous.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Trench coat Fedora. He went full trench coat Fedorra. So
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the kicker for this is that she says, don't worry, though,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the Queen will give you, quote, unequivocal proofs of her
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: protection and benevolence. And he's like, okay, okay, I'm in,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I'm in. So Sean leads the cardinal to this opening
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: in a clearing and he sees this figure, you know,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: sort of silhouetted in the darkness, and he also goes
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: all in you know, his his heart's probably racing, he's
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: he's probably really freaked out. He walks to this figure
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: and he kneels at her feet, and she, by the way,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: is Nicole right, the new barone, And she is not
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: sure what to do, so she just thrust this rose
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: toward him, and she kind of hides her face with
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: her fan, and she says that she couldn't remember exactly
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: what she said in the conversation, but the cardinal claimed
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: that he heard her say, you may believe the past
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: will be forgotten. So boom, there we go. It appears
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: that for all intents and purposes, this cardinal has met
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the Queen, and the Queen is good, and she has
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: appeared to back up all the fake letters that this
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: cardinal has been receiving. And Rohan essentially just really wanted
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: to see the queen, and he saw what he wanted
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: to see. A little bit later, he received a written
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: request on this paper. This was always blue bordered paper
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: because it was from that one stationary shop. He received
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: a request for sixty thousand francs to help an impoverished family.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And again, let's remember this guy's job is to distribute
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: money to the poor so he goes through with that,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: and then in the beginning of another request arrives. Get this.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: It's ordering him to negotiate the purpose of a certain
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: diamond necklace. That's right. I thought we forgot No, we
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: just set it up in a weird way. I was
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: wondering where I come back around to it myself. Then
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I so, so she gets this letter. There's a lot
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: of backstory here, right, No, gets this letter from the
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Queen saying, hey, set this up for me, help me
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: buy this necklace. And the problem here is that these
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: crown jewelers that we mentioned earlier, Boehmer and Bassent, as
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: you said, have been trying for years and years and
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: years to sell this super ostentatious, extravagant, opulent necklace that
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: had how many diamonds? Yeah, it was like pushing six
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: fifty d stones, carrots, huge, huge, again, extravagant, opulent, ostentatious,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: all those words, all the words. Uh. And they have
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: been presenting this to the King and the Queen turned
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: it down and they knocked some money off the price,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: but it was still considered too much. Yeah, that was
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: reduced to uh. Somewhere in the neighborhood of one point
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: six million, and this is news to me. Guys livre
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: which is a different currency from the franc and that's
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the franc wasn't around until then. She clarified that that's right,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: and I think we've talked about some payoffs being in
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: francs earlier in the show. Uh was not a thing yet.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: The levra, which Casey being on the case as he
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: tends to be um clued us into that that actually
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: means a book, yeah, book or a pound. Casey on
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: the case, thanks for saving the show man every time
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: speak behind the curving folks. Every time we do a
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: an episode concerning the French language. Now we have learned.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: We've learned to check with Casey slightly in advance so
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: that we don't put over the spot by saying. There
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: was one episode where he said, hey, Casey, can you
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: just translate this entire paragraph for us? And he was like, guys,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I need a little a little time. It wasn't have
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: been modern French. I'm not just here like French monkey,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you know. So you're right, it's it's very important. This
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: is a currency. The cost is reduced. They still can't
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: sell this because it's like it's like a gold plated Ferrari.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's it's just a lot,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: it's too much. And how much would it have taken
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: for something to be too extravagant and expensive for the
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Queen of France not exactly known for their penny pinching
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: ways there like you know, keeping things modest, right, that's true.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: And so Sean sees this opportunity and she she talks
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: to her but the cardinal and she says, hey, will
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: you help the queen buy this necklace? And the payment
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: will be made in four installments over two years, and
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: he is down to clown. He is on board. So
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: the jewelers are overwhelmed with joy. They are elated. Someone
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: is gonna buy this. The Queen is gonna buy this.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: We're gonna yeah, We'll give you the necklace and then
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: you'll just pay us off in those four installments over
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: two years. So on the first of February, the jewelers
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Boehmer and Bassenge give the necklace to the cardinal. The
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: cardinal gives it to Sean and John. What does she do?
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Does she make four payments over two years? Does she
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: does she say hey, I was lying to you? What
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: what does she do? She just kind of books it
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: with the with the goods. You know, she's the real
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: puppet master in this whole thing. The guys are so say,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I know I say it too much, but I love
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: that film Usual Suspects. Check it out. Yeah, you're absolutely right, man.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: She ghosts, and then on July twelve of that year,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: the jewelers send a letter to the Queen. Boehmer specifically
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: sends a letter to the Queen mentions the necklace. The
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Queen doesn't know what's going on, so she just shreds
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: her mail. What's this nonsense? Exactly? Is right? In the
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: royal shred her? She says, that's unquote in her voice,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: and uh, And the jeweler is not getting any word,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and he waits and waits and weights and so. Later
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: in August, he sends a letter to one of Mola
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Twinette's ladies in waiting and he's like, hey, you know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: not to be weird about it, but I'm really surprised
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: that you guys still owe me money for this necklace.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: You are, you know, your friends, the Queen of France.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to make this not awkward? Can
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: you can you give me some Yeah? Exactly. And this
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: is when the proverbial um hits the fan, when the
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: lady in waiting, Madame campon Uh, takes this information back
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: to the Queen, who then is like, wait a minute,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: something's funky here. I need an explanation. What's going on.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: So in August, right before a mass at the Royal Chapel,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Rohan receives a convocation from the King of France. Right
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: as he was leaving, he is arrested in the Hall
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: of Mirrors um and he's completely flabbergasted. Everyone else is
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: just in shock. And that is when this news of
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: this scandal was about to reach critical mass. Yes, and
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: that is not hyperbole at all. So this becomes a
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: huge to do, a brouhaha, if you will. The Cardinal
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: goes before the Parliament in May of seventeen eighty six,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: and surprisingly he's declared innocent. They tracked down Shawn and
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: her her team and they are arrested and she, for
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: the crime of being a con artist, is branded with
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: a hot iron and she's the hot iron brand that
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: she receives is a capital V, and that stands for
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: thief in French. What's that word? Casey thief? A genuine
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: scarlet letter, and although the Queen is innocent, her reputation
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: is tarnished. You know, she can't walk back from that.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: She may have won in the court of the law,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: but she has failed in the court of public opinion.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: And from that point on, she really really wanted the
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: absolute worst for the Cardinal, for Rohan, who she already
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: didn't care for, who she already didn't care for a
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: great point. So although the Cardinal was acquitted, it didn't
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: help that the Queen of the country hated this dude.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: So he loses all his offices and he is exile.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Old and then our anti hero of the story, Sean,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: for this, this crime, this diamond hoax, is sentenced to
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: be flogged. She's got the hot v honor and she
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: is going to prison for life. At least I was
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: her sentence. She later escapes to England and publishes publishes
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: a hit piece on the queen, so she doesn't really
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: feel bad. Pretty brazen this one, huh yeah, And she
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: made it out, But the Queen didn't make it out unscathed. No,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: she never really recovered from this. I mean, it's interesting
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: because she really didn't do anything. All this stuff happened
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: under her nose. Uh. She was used as at the
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: center of this kind of like diamond heist, as sort
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: of like a Patsy, kind of a weird fall guy.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: And in in what way was she a fall guy? Well,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: her reputation took an absolute nose dive. Not that I mean,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: as we know already not the most popular government in
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: terms of the incredible gulf between the rich and the poor,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: in the sense that these folks, these muckey monks are
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: just living it up, you know, at the hotel Versailles, uh,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: doing their thing, and the rest of the you know,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: common folks are just scrapping in the streets for food.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: You know. It's like in lay Miss. We've seen lay
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Miss just like that. Um. Yeah, but this just cements
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: that reputation for utter moral bankruptcy. And as an article
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: in Britannica about the affair of the diamond necklace puts it, frivolity,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: just this sense of the let the meat cake thing,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: which we know is not a real thing, but just
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: that's what is encapsulated here in this whole affair. It's
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: like they are so clueless, so out of touch. It's
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: one of the this is but one of the incidents
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: leading up to what we call the French Revolution today.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: And it's strange because I don't know about I don't
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: know about you, but I had not heard of this.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I I like many of us here in the US.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: It is sort of a vague outline or chronology of
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: the French Revolution and the transformation of its government. But
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I had no idea there was a diamond heist. They
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: should be telling more people about this in school. Everybody
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: likes a good diamond heist. Everybody likes a good hoax.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: That's true. And this concludes our story of the affair
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: of the diamond necklace, or, as you said earlier, Noel,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: the scandal. Here's my question, Ben, how do you offence
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: an item like that? You go to England, you go
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: to a different country, you sell it to another monarchy.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe you break it down and just sell the diamonds.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: That's probably what you'd have to do, because surely there
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: would be a p B S out for this thing
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: across the land. I was wondering about Europe. Yeah, I
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: always wondering about that. With art hoaxes and unique items,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you know, like someone steals a priceless painting. How do
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: you fence that? Where do you? Who? Do you sellitude?
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Do you go on Craigslist? I don't know. I've never
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I've on a lot of things in my life, but
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  Speaker 1: I have yet to steal and fence priceless artwork. Hey
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  Speaker 1: maybe twenty nineteen in my year? Man. Well, here's the
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  Speaker 1: thing too. There are there like shadowy you know, collectors
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  Speaker 1: that are the ones who are brazen enough to buy
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  Speaker 1: that stuff. And that's where they keep that in their
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  Speaker 1: secret gallery. It's like behind like a bookshelf or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta walk him. It was a really interesting article
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  Speaker 1: I had read a few weeks back that was positing
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  Speaker 1: a lot of artwork we see in public museums is
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  Speaker 1: actually forged, with the real pieces being, as you said,
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  Speaker 1: in secret galleries. I don't know. You think that's likely?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure? But have you seen the movie? Um?
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  Speaker 1: Can you ever forgive me? I think I have. It's
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  Speaker 1: with what's your name? Melissa McCarthy. It's it was pretty recent.
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  Speaker 1: It's about she's like kind of a failed writer. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Where she got that best friend? H Yeah, the British
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  Speaker 1: guy whose name I'm forgetting right now, but I love him.
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  Speaker 1: He was in with nail and I and some other Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but her whole thing is and this isn't a spoiler
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  Speaker 1: if you don't want a mild spoiler about this movie,
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  Speaker 1: and it's what the movie is about. But you don't
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  Speaker 1: know what away she ends up. You know, she's hard,
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  Speaker 1: down on her luck, and she ends up forging letters
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  Speaker 1: from famous, famous dead writers and you know, socialites, and
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  Speaker 1: then she's really good at and she's really good at
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  Speaker 1: it and she gets the wit and all of that down.
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  Speaker 1: That's the same with like being able to forge a
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  Speaker 1: work of art, right, you have to really nail it.
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  Speaker 1: It's more than just making a copy. You almost have
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  Speaker 1: to have like the soul of the artists and be
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  Speaker 1: able to copy that. I would watch I would watch
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  Speaker 1: The Affair of the Diamond Necklace were it a film.
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  Speaker 1: one we're talking about the top of the show where
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  Speaker 1: about whether or not Mandy's a good film? Is that
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  Speaker 1: what you guys are talking on it is? Why doesn't
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  Speaker 1: I saw what I saw him on it. I saw
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  Speaker 1: he said that he would watch it again. But it's like,
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  Speaker 1: the thing is, I went to so much trouble trying
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  Speaker 1: to get this to play at the Plaza. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: even go well, he didn't like it. He hated the movie.
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  Speaker 1: He he literally just wrote to me episode I told
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  Speaker 1: ridiculous history canon and he goes episode one thirty two,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: the time Noel Brown revealed how historically wrong he was
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  Speaker 1: about Mandy. Now I've got I've got an ally in
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  Speaker 1: this fight for man. I mean, you, we were there
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  Speaker 1: all along then, But I think we need to we
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  Speaker 1: need to sit down with Christopher and set the record straight.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna be Sweden on this.
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  Speaker 1: I've never let someone else's opinion of a film interfere
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  Speaker 1: with how I feel about it, So I'm not gonna,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely not. But he's really doubling down on this. I
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: don't negotiate with terrorists. He's borderline entering character assassination territory.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I did not negotiate with terrorists. That's fair. Was that
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  Speaker 1: like a JFK voice kind of No, that's just that's
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• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I am snacking on uh pizzeria's or I'm about to
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  Speaker 1: because this is one of my favorite long gone chips
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  Speaker 1: and I think I just found a way to get
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  Speaker 1: a bag man. When I heard you say that, you
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: said snacking on pizzeria's, I was picturing you, like like
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  Speaker 1: eating like all the pizza available, and the building, like
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  Speaker 1: the stone, the benches. You're you're sort of like, what's
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  Speaker 1: that French guy who ate all the things? I think
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  Speaker 1: I think you ate a baby. I don't know anybody
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  Speaker 1: who eats babies. You don't know about this. Uh, there's
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  Speaker 1: a Brazilian guy who you know what, we should save this.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: This is a story for another day. Hey, I just
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  Speaker 1: want to point out I googled French guy who ate
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  Speaker 1: a baby. His name was Terre and he was born
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  Speaker 1: in rural France nearly on in seventeen seventy two. And
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  Speaker 1: his whole thing was he would eat anything. He was
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  Speaker 1: actually hospitalized in a psychiatric ward where it is conjectured
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  Speaker 1: that he possibly ate a baby. Well, there's also this
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: goes back to the super the super Stummings, right, the
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  Speaker 1: super Eaters. That's there's a guy in Brazil who has
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: done the same thing. And we're not talking about the
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  Speaker 1: survivors of the crash in the andes On, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the basis or the inspiration for the movie Alive. All right,
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