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Inside The Data: Key Analytics On Tanner McKee, Eli Stowers, Other Eagles From Preseason Opener · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, welcome back to Inside the Data on Inside the Birds.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Mosher, and of course with us is Sam
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  Speaker 1: Fingle bringing us inside the game inside the Eagles lately
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  Speaker 1: with some data and analytics on which I asked him
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  Speaker 1: to do coming out of the first preseason game against
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: the Ravens. I know it's later in the week, everybody's
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  Speaker 1: already focused on the joint practices going on with the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots and the next preseason game, but we did think
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  Speaker 1: we should go through a couple of guys who did
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  Speaker 1: play in the preseason opener. Obviously, these are key backups
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  Speaker 1: because none of the starters played other than John Campbell,
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  Speaker 1: and we wanted to see if there was anything in
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  Speaker 1: the underlying metrics that could just tell us a story
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  Speaker 1: that we didn't know, and so we weren't going to
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  Speaker 1: go through everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, Sam picked out a couple different.
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  Speaker 1: Players, and obviously also at this time of the year,
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  Speaker 1: there's not as much analytics and data that the underlying
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  Speaker 1: stuff that is normally available during the regular season, so
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  Speaker 1: this will be a little bit more thorough once we
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  Speaker 1: start doing this during the season. But Sam, when you
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  Speaker 1: were picking out some guys to really focus on is
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  Speaker 1: there any one thing that told you a story that
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  Speaker 1: you thought was more interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean again, it's pretty identical to what you
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  Speaker 3: see what you saw on the screen. The offense struggled
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  Speaker 3: a lot. The defense made a couple of splash plays,
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  Speaker 3: but they also kind of struggled. And it's good that
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  Speaker 3: these are depth players, but if you think about it,
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  Speaker 3: they're also playing depth players, so you kind of don't
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  Speaker 3: want to see that much struggled. So I think that
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  Speaker 3: focusing on that. I think one of the big things
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  Speaker 3: is penalties as a big one third downs, which we
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  Speaker 3: talked about at nauseum last year, and I think you
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  Speaker 3: know how efficiently the Eagles ran the ball, and again
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  Speaker 3: that that data point is specifically skewed because Cole Payton
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  Speaker 3: contributed to a majority of the efficient rushing yards, but
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  Speaker 3: I do think it's interesting that it's one of the
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  Speaker 3: only categories that the Equals won with. Also, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the turnovers not allow that was one of the only
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  Speaker 3: highlights for the offense.
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  Speaker 1: I'd say, right, right, fair, I love the point you made,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to get right into it as I
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  Speaker 1: bring up the chart about the penalties, because I've been
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  Speaker 1: having this discussion I think not only with you, but
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  Speaker 1: also with Adam on inside the birds and sort of
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  Speaker 1: trying to tell everybody that they're going to need to
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  Speaker 1: be patient, that this thing isn't going to happen overnight.
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  Speaker 1: There's going there's more prestat motion than they ever used.
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  Speaker 2: There's a different way of blocking now on wide zone.
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  Speaker 1: Than there is just this in terms of going up
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  Speaker 1: the middle like duo or inside zone. And what I'm
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  Speaker 1: anticipating early on is a lot of maybe illegal shifts,
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  Speaker 1: I legal motions off, no false starts, because everybody's got
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  Speaker 1: to be in the same rhythm and cadence and everybody's
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  Speaker 1: got to be working together. Lane Johnson missed like the
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  Speaker 1: first week, right, And so it's not like there's limited
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  Speaker 1: reps in practices in the old days where Andy Reid
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  Speaker 1: can have a team out in Lee High for three
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  Speaker 1: hours just just for the morning session and then later
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  Speaker 1: bring them back on for another hour and a half
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  Speaker 1: in the afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not as easy to adjust.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this, do you think it's
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  Speaker 3: a mistake that with this new offensive scheme to not
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  Speaker 3: have the starters out there to just like kind of
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  Speaker 3: get a feel for it, because if there's going to
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  Speaker 3: be these growing pains, don't you think this is the
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  Speaker 3: time to get rid of them?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's there's an argument to
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  Speaker 1: be made for it, Sam, I think that there's It's
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  Speaker 1: always going to come back to is it worth the.
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  Speaker 2: Risk of a major injury?
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  Speaker 1: Is it worth putting these guys out there, especially with
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  Speaker 1: the joint practices coming up a few days later against
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots, which are always very intense no matter who
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  Speaker 1: you're practicing against. I don't like to do this whole
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  Speaker 1: it's it's right or it's wrong thing, because I think
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  Speaker 1: that there's I would say, there's advantages and disadvantages, okay,
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  Speaker 1: And if you're strongly in favor of the advantages, you
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  Speaker 1: think it's right. If you're strongly against what the disadvantages present,
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  Speaker 1: then you think it's wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And who am I to say that somebody's right wrong
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  Speaker 2: about an opinion on that?
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  Speaker 3: I think a better question I should have asked you
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  Speaker 3: is would you expect this penalty, you know, margin to
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  Speaker 3: be consistent through the first few weeks of the season.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's probably a better way to ask When
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  Speaker 3: I was trying to Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I've been trying to emphasize and shows with
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  Speaker 1: like the patients. I do think there's I think there's
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  Speaker 1: going to be more penalties than usual on the side
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  Speaker 1: of the Eagles offense, pre snap type penalties, you know
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  Speaker 1: again of false starts and and probably some legal shifts
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  Speaker 1: and motions as they really get this thing working. And
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  Speaker 1: injuries that happen in training camp, whether it's lineman or
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  Speaker 1: wide receivers. You know, like Makai Lemon, I think is
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a real movement motion type player.
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  Speaker 2: He hasn't even gotten on the practice field, right, So it's.
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  Speaker 1: It's tough when you don't have everybody. And then when
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  Speaker 1: you start the season, you're really preparing for your opponent.
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  Speaker 1: You're trying to work on that in practice. Every coach
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  Speaker 1: will tell you, but you're also.
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  Speaker 2: It's not training camp.
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  Speaker 1: Once the season starts, it's really game plan specific, so
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  Speaker 1: it becomes a little bit more difficult. I think a
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  Speaker 1: great analytics question that we're gonna be talking about throughout
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  Speaker 1: the year, Sam that probably won't come up in this
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  Speaker 1: path I won't, but I've been thinking of it and
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  Speaker 1: I want to introduce it now because I was thinking
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  Speaker 1: about how Sam Donald had to adjust to the Clint
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  Speaker 1: Kubiak offense last year, which was I don't think. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he had spent some time right with McVeigh and he
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  Speaker 1: spent some time with I think it was a backup
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  Speaker 1: for a year with Shanahan, so it wasn't completely unfamiliar,
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  Speaker 1: but like when you're running it yourself, it's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit different, right. And the one thing I would say
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  Speaker 1: about Sam Donald last year, or maybe you would agree
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  Speaker 1: or disagree, but he didn't play like an all PROB.
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  Speaker 1: But he played like a pretty good quarterback for the
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  Speaker 1: second year in a row. But he did throw double
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  Speaker 1: digit interceptions. So that's always the knock on Sam is
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  Speaker 1: that he throws interceptions. However, I think that with the
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  Speaker 1: limited weaponry that the Seahawks had, it was important for
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  Speaker 1: him to try to stress defenses as much as possible.
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  Speaker 1: And he's got a willing arm and a willing thrower,
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  Speaker 1: and he obviously he had a great connection with Jackson
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  Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba. So I think the analytical question that
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  Speaker 1: I'm asking myself lately curious undertake.
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  Speaker 2: On it is.
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  Speaker 1: Should Jalen Hurts be okay and the offense be okay
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  Speaker 1: with more interceptions than normal?
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  Speaker 2: Which for him is very low.
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  Speaker 1: Right, he throws almost none because a they don't throw
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  Speaker 1: much and be he's very careful.
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  Speaker 2: He takes a lot of sacks for the trade off of.
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  Speaker 1: Establishing even more of a downfield rhythm with his receivers
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  Speaker 1: and throwing more touchdown passes than before because in the
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  Speaker 1: past it was okay not to do that because they
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  Speaker 1: ran a specific style of conservative offense.
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  Speaker 2: But now you're breaking out of that.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that if he throws a couple of picks,
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  Speaker 1: but it they're well intentioned, If for lack of a
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  Speaker 1: better word, or he's trying to drive the ball and
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  Speaker 1: it leads to more success as they go on, I
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  Speaker 1: think that there should be an okay part of that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean my gut reaction is absolutely you you know,
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  Speaker 3: you can't be afraid of throwing the ball. And I
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  Speaker 3: think sometimes the way Eagles have conducted them, with the
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  Speaker 3: way Hurtz has conducted himself, being turnover adverse is very good,
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  Speaker 3: you know, being turnover reverse is very good. But to
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  Speaker 3: the same degree you're you're gonna miss other opportunities. You're
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  Speaker 3: gonna lose, like the confidence to make those plays in
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  Speaker 3: the future, and the defense is not gonna it was
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  Speaker 3: a whole thing about throwing over the middle, like that
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  Speaker 3: was a whole narrative. I definitely think I could do
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  Speaker 3: a study on this, and I think it would be
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  Speaker 3: a fun one to do. I just pulled up Darnald's stats.
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  Speaker 3: He had fourteen interceptions last year and twelve the year before,
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  Speaker 3: so both double digit like you said, and I think that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, some of the best quarterbacks to ever play
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  Speaker 3: are not turnover averse. I mean, you think about it,
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  Speaker 3: there were guys that just they could make any throw
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  Speaker 3: in the field, and when you try to make risky
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  Speaker 3: throws sometimes it'll go the other way. Yeah, the real
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  Speaker 3: threshold to me is whether there are more positive plays
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  Speaker 3: or more negative plays. And I think that's honestly, at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the day, how I would do this
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  Speaker 3: analysis is like how many of those like turnover worthy
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  Speaker 3: throws turned into touchdowns or big plays? Right, I think
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  Speaker 3: that's what the study would kind of be central on
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  Speaker 3: for sure.
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  Speaker 2: For sure.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, we'll definitely pay attention to that and
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  Speaker 1: have that discussion going on as always. You I know,
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  Speaker 1: you always give the basic stacks and stats, and obviously
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  Speaker 1: the Ravens, you know, were ahead of the It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just that they were ahead, but I buy a lot.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they ran seventy six place, Eagles ran forty
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  Speaker 1: four hundred and forty yards. He goes out one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and sixty, and like you said, even the Eagles yards
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  Speaker 1: per rush is a little inflated by Cole Payton scramming around.
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  Speaker 1: But the biggest thing I took from what really was
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  Speaker 1: the penalties more so than anything, because I don't care
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  Speaker 1: about preseason stats, but penalties ten for ninety six, Ravens
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  Speaker 1: three for twenty five. And again I only care about
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  Speaker 1: it because knowing it's backups, because this is something that
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  Speaker 1: I've been wondering about just in general, even before this game.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, I mean the other takeaway, at least to me,
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  Speaker 3: is that time of possession. I mean, I think that's
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  Speaker 3: indicative of, you know, the team's health on offense, whether
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  Speaker 3: they can hold the ball for a long time or not.
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  Speaker 3: And I guess it doesn't matter for time of possession
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  Speaker 3: if you can score points quickly. But the fact that
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  Speaker 3: they only put up seven points and only had the
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  Speaker 3: ball for less than twenty minutes, it's not a great sign,
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  Speaker 3: you know, even with the backups in like I just
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  Speaker 3: I find that as a health indicator in a very
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  Speaker 3: negative area for.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, sure and a little And that's an easy way
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  Speaker 1: to believe the defense, But it's also an indictment, as
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  Speaker 1: you're saying, of the offense to only put forty plays up.
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  Speaker 2: And basically hand the Ravens the ball quite often.
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  Speaker 1: And I do think that there's one. We'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: it because you have some stats on him later. There
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  Speaker 1: is a concern that I've been having, so is Adam,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it when we get there. I
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  Speaker 1: would do want to get to the situational stats. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles were zero for nine on third down. Now,
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  Speaker 1: that's like the worst even though it doesn't matter, it's
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  Speaker 1: the worst possible stat you could see for a team
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  Speaker 1: that last year was like epically bad and had the
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  Speaker 1: most three and outs in like NFL history on third
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they were just so terrible you just wanted
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  Speaker 1: to see it improve, even if knowing that it's the backups, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you would hope with a new scheme, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they would emphasize different ways of getting those third down conversions.
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  Speaker 3: But at the same time, I mean, you're seeing a
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  Speaker 3: very vanilla form of the offense. And there's an adjustment
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  Speaker 3: factor for sure, So I think that that's part of it. Again,
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  Speaker 3: you don't like to see zero for anything, but especially
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  Speaker 3: for nine attempts. Not great for sure.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to the underlying stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And here we go already as we talk about the offense,
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  Speaker 1: Sam with the first concern that I have because, as
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  Speaker 1: you know, we talk about it on inside the Birds
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  Speaker 1: a lot.
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  Speaker 2: We don't take anything that we see in the preseason
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  Speaker 2: and try to extrapolate it into the regular season. It's
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  Speaker 2: the preseason for a reason.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, with Tanner McKee, that's why I won't overreact,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll say I'm concerned only because I think I
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: have an idea of how the offense is supposed to look,
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  Speaker 1: just a talking to a lot of different coaches who've
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: run the Shanahan scheme before and then be just knowing
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  Speaker 1: a lot about it. And there's there's supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: a time and a rhythm, and you know, the outs
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  Speaker 1: are supposed to really be in sync with the drops
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  Speaker 1: and it's supposed to when it works, it looks like
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  Speaker 1: poetry in motion. And even for McKee to complete sixty
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  Speaker 1: percent of the pass passes, it.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't look like poetry in motion. And he has struggled
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  Speaker 2: at times in camp not with it almost looks like
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  Speaker 2: to me like there's like a reluctancy there, or there's
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  Speaker 2: there's something off with the timing between him and receivers
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  Speaker 2: at times. I mean, that hasn't been a disaster.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to paint it that way, but we've
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  Speaker 1: come to see Tanner McKee like look really good in
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  Speaker 1: these environments that are conducive to quarterbacks, and he just
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  Speaker 1: has not done that yet.
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  Speaker 3: Agreed, Totally agreed. I mean, if you just look at
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  Speaker 3: the statistics, I mean, you can get convinced, like you said,
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  Speaker 3: with the six out of ten, you know, that feels
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  Speaker 3: really good. But I also wanted to say that that
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  Speaker 3: three and a half yards per attempt is really low,
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  Speaker 3: and it's just he doesn't seem to be what at
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  Speaker 3: least we thought he would be at this point in
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  Speaker 3: his career, you know, and maybe that sheds light into
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: why the Eagles, you know, acquired Andy Dalton, why they
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  Speaker 3: took Cole Payton. I mean, there are things that we
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  Speaker 3: expected of McKee at this point, and I just you're
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  Speaker 3: right there, are very concerning components to his game play
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  Speaker 3: for sure, Yeah, especially like good, Oh it was good.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you might have been about to mention it because
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  Speaker 1: normally two point one nine time to throw looks good, like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're getting rid of the ball, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I kind of looked at it at the inverse
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  Speaker 3: this time a little bit because he didn't really have
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  Speaker 3: as much time, so it may it may not be
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  Speaker 3: entirely on him. I mean, getting the ball out fast
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  Speaker 3: is one thing, but being forced to get the ball
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  Speaker 3: out That's why I love and hate the statistic because
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  Speaker 3: you need the context of are you just getting the
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  Speaker 3: ball out fast or are you being forced to get
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  Speaker 3: the ball out fast?
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  Speaker 2: Right? And he had what one pressure on ten dropbacks?
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  Speaker 2: Is that okay, not terrible, right, I mean not as
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  Speaker 2: far as you know, being under duress a.
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  Speaker 3: Lot, But that one pressure was a sack.
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  Speaker 2: So it was a sack.
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  Speaker 3: Is pressure to sack percentage is one hundred percent, which
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  Speaker 3: is never That's obviously again small sample size, but you
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  Speaker 3: never want that.
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: Uh So, if we're to deduce that on nine of
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  Speaker 1: his ten dropbacks, he was not really under a lot
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  Speaker 1: of duress but did not complete a pass past thirteen yards.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think I think it's just again it's
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  Speaker 1: it's something that's a concern. You probably heightened it a
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  Speaker 1: little bit because he's splitting reps with Andy Dalton. If
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  Speaker 1: Andy Dolt wasn't here, we would just say, well, we
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: know he's the backup and hopefully he'll figure it out
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  Speaker 1: by the time if he has to play. But now
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: you're wondering, well, what's the deal here going to be?
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  Speaker 2: Are they really going to keep four?
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  Speaker 1: Because that's always seemed like a strange concept to me
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  Speaker 1: to begin with. And if not, like what's going to
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  Speaker 1: give here?
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  Speaker 3: You know, for sure you got me thinking a little
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  Speaker 3: bit with that two point one nine time three And
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna have to rewatch some of the
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  Speaker 3: film and maybe pay attention to it this week. But
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  Speaker 3: what's interesting there to me, and I'm sorry I'm derailing
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  Speaker 3: kind of that thought process, but not worth What was
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  Speaker 3: interesting to me is is he getting the ball out
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  Speaker 3: too fast? Like? Is he getting the does he not
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  Speaker 3: taking the time to make the right reads? And I
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  Speaker 3: would have to like look really carefully next week and
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  Speaker 3: maybe I'll rewatch the film this week and trying to
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  Speaker 3: determine that because I think that is also a potential takeaway, and.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I was sort of getting out with just
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  Speaker 1: watching the practice. It's just there's a timing and a rhythm,
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  Speaker 1: and lack of timing doesn't mean you're always holding onto
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: the ball like you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: It's just are you Are you just like scatters? Are
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: you just getting rid of the ball? Quick check down, Charlie?
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  Speaker 1: You know, like you wrote three point five yards pretend
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  Speaker 1: extremely low? Is it because you feel like that's what
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  Speaker 1: you have to do instead of.
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  Speaker 2: Letting the game come to you. So there's probably a
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  Speaker 2: lot going on in his head.
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  Speaker 1: It's the first time he's run this offense, so I'm
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: sure that they understand that as well. But again, the
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  Speaker 1: other and the only reason why this is a conversation
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  Speaker 1: is because he's sharing reps and theoretically competing for this
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  Speaker 1: job as opposed to just learning this offense as the
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  Speaker 1: backup quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I mean, either way, it's not going to be
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  Speaker 3: tenable for potentially either McKee or or Andy Dalton to
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: be even on the roster next year, Like that may
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  Speaker 3: not even be a thing. So that that's under consideration
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  Speaker 3: that I think we can gloss over, but Peyton could
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: be that guy. We'll have to see. We really like
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Peayton moved and I thought he did a pretty good
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: job commanding the offense.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: When I watch him in training camp, I see so
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: much like energy and athleticism and some good throws too,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: but also like you also see the when you see
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: him in multiple reps over a time. The downside that
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: the technique's work.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: He's a real work in progress.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that, that's for sure, but maybe this
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: buys some time to develop him, depending on even if
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: he makes the roster. I mean, we'll see what happens.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: It's just a very uncertain key b room. After hers,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: there's a very uncertain qv room.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Oh for sure. All right.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: So the two guys other also on offense, and you
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: focused on Darius Cooper Eli Stowers to different receiver, a
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: tight end second year player, was undrafted and a second
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: round pick from this year's who's sort of struggling with
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: the physicality and the adjustment of the game. Go through
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: some of the underlying metrics here on Cooper and what
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: might stand out to you.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Cooper had two receptions on five targets for
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: twenty one yards, which is ten point five yards perception.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: He also had that kind of bad drop in the game.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: He had three slot snaps, which I think is interesting,
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: and then fourteen wide snaps, So I just think the
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: split is kind of interesting about that eighteen to eighty
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: two percent eighteen percent in the slot, eighty two percent wide.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: So I just think employing him was interesting to see
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: kind of how they did it. Obviously, again this is
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: not the starter, so if he does get playtime, it'll
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: be interesting where they put him. But I do think
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: it's interesting that they have him, you know, moving around
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: a little bit.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: That was what I also found really fascinating the inverse
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: of it, because last year when he did play, and
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: he only played in limited.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Doses, he was mostly used in the slot.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Obviously, at AJ Brown, you have Devonte Smith, you had
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: to figure out a way to get on the field.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: He's a big, physical guy, so he's a natural X.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: But they would put him in the slot, especially in
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: short yarded situations, to kind of use him as a
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: dirty work. I kind of Johnny Wilson wasn't there, so
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Darius Cooper, you're the guy now, and he was up.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: To the challenge.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: He's a big, strong, physical guy. But here we are
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: now no AJ Brown, you know, need for a backup X.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: And he gets fourteen of the seventeen steps.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: On the outside, right, And I think that that's something
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: to watch a little bit. I definitely think, like you said,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: it would make more sense to play him on the outside,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: but his versatility would lend himself to hopefully more playing
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: time for him in production. And the last stat on here,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: by the way, his yards per route run and that
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: it was one point twenty four, which just some context,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: that was the twenty seventh tied for twenty seventh in
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: the NFL for wide receivers with five or more targets.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: So again I can't really take that. It doesn't really
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: mean much in preseason with you know, the pleasure of
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: guys that are coming in and out, and that's why
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: I tried to create thresholds for it. But I mean
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: that's kind of where he stands.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Do you do you find it interesting that he played
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: seventeen snaps and got five targets. I mean, that's a
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: pretty high target share per snap, assuming that not even
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: all these were all these snaps passes, or these were
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: just his total snaps.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Those were just his total snaps.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean you gotta assume there are a
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: few runs in there where there are no targets. So
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: five on seventeen is almost you know, thirty three percent, right,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: It really is. That's that's kind of crazy. Yeah, I
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: think that. I mean he's been pretty consistent throughout training camp,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: and I think the quarterbacks trust him and obviously so,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: and will be interesting to see what happens this week.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: All right, Eli Stowers three receptions on three targets for
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: twelve yards.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Hey, that's good. He caught the ball.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he caught only four yards per reception though, which
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: is not great. No, I know, but it is interesting.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: They had him basically fifty to fifty for a slot
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: and in line based on I mean there's four slot snaps,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: six in line snaps. I think it makes more sense
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: to play him in the slot just based on like
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: the physicality concerns you were saying before. But I mean,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: to be a tight end you have to play in
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: line too. I mean, that's especially the way the Eagles
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: want to you know, run their offense. But I wouldn't
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: give up on this guy yet. I know a lot
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: of people are you know, there are valid concerns, but
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: give him some time to develop. I mean, there's no
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: need for him to start right away. I mean, that's
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: the luxury of re signing Goddard.
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  Speaker 2: True.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: But I would say, and I know that you have
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: thought about this already, But I think tight end depth
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: is a concern for this team because God has history
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: of getting hurt right, and they don't have someone like
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: God Art. We'll have to see how his blocking. I mean,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: we we're obviously not gonna see him the preseason, but
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: he fell off as a blocker. But let's assume he's
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: better than he was last year. They really don't have
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: a two way tight end. You know, they have Mont
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: who blocks, he's not a catching threat. They have Stours
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: who's a receiving threat, but he cannot block. Calcata receiving threat,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: cannot block. Lot two can do both, but he's sort
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: of like not great at either. I mean, he's good,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: he's a good blocker. I think that there's athleticism upside
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: in the past game, but it just hasn't yet manifested
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: in either practice or a game.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: So if god or to get hurt, I.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Feel like there's a telegraphic element to who they're using
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: a tight end and what their offense is going to do.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: That is very true, that that is a very fair point.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: You'd have to replace, you know, Goddard's production in the
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: aggregate to some extent. But right as soon as you
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: have one of those guys on the field, you're like, Okay,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: it's Calcatara, assuming he makes a team, we're gonna pass.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: If Stowers are gonna pass month, we're gonna run.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Right right.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: But even though to they drafted Stours knowing that if
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: they really need to address this situation, they'll have to
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: do it like a veteran addition or maybe a trade
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: or something like that.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: And Munt is a guy that I guess you almost
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: assume is a roster lock at this point based on
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: not playing in the preseason. I mean, right, is that
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: that would be kind of I would?
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, there are a little parallels at the
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: position right now, so I think it gives them a
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: way better chance to make the fifty three. Then try
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: to do the whole you know, you'll be on our
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: practice spot for three weeks, will elevate you, and then
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: we'll sign you.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I mean they're gonna need them.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too, So we'll see.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: But I never put anything past Howard Rosma though, so
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: we'll say you can't.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, they can make a trade. Who knows, there's
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: a million that's my point, all right.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: So let's the let's let's get the basic SATs on
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the Eagles defense here.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they had three sacks, two takeaways, but
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Baltimore still completed thirty for thirty seven eighty one point
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: one percent. They reached the red zone four times, scored three,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: and they had they allowed three or nine Baltimore drives
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: or at least thirty net yards or more. And again,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: like the general takeaways that they have these splash plays,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: but they couldn't consistently win and they couldn't get And
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: there is some blame to the fact that they had
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: to be on the field for forty minutes. Yeah, that's
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: a big part of it. But to the same extent,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: like they didn't necessarily do the offense any favors either.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: I put this way more on the offense than the defense.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: But again they weren't doing themselves any favors.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again for perspective, this is this is the
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: backup defense, but it's actually like sort of the backup
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: backup defense because in the secondary, I think they've been
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: with they've been out. Jonathan Jones Mac McWilliams was a
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: little banged up with a groin. I think he played right.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah he played, but somebody else didn't. Plouh
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: who was it in the secondary? Why am I forgetting
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: there was another corner?
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I don't think castro Field's played if I'm mistaken, So
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: you know they're a little thin. They're thin.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Obviously Marcus Epstein play. So it was Carter, who actually
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I thought did all right.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: And then they were right onto like the udfa's and
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Goo Chicken and and and Andre Sam and uh the
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: other guy Maximus Pulley.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: So like this was it felt more like the third
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: string D except the fact that you had Trotter out
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: there and you had Jahat Campbell who actually had some
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: struggles VIC fans you have talked about that.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: So he's just trying to get more work.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, so definitely worth saying.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Right, Oh yeah McWilliams to play you have that stuff. Okay,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: So Robinson was a bright spot, you would say, right,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: It's important. This is big, by the way, this is
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: not a little thing. Go ahead.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I was a big fan when
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: they drafted Ty Robinson. I think he was in the
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: gems category or at least one of the uh, you know,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: high potential guys. He might have been in the gems. Yeah,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: I don't think he was like a top prospect, but
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: he was like a hidden gem. But he out of
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: his thirty three pass rushes, he had three pressures, which
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: is one pressure per like on the eleven rushes, like
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: every eleven you could get a pressure, which he had.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: He had everyone he had a hit, a hurry, and
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: a sack. And then his win rate was six point
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: seven percent, which is actually not great.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Right, although isn't it usually a little lower for interior
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: alignment and saying, ah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: That's low, he still won it like for like, especially
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: against backups, you kind of won it around eight to
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: ten percent typically be like a good interior defensive player,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I would say. But again, six point seven is probably
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: like replacement level. So it's like it's good if he
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: did that against starters, that that would be okay, nothing
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: too crazy though.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I think Vic Fangio summed it up best where he
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: said he showed signs of life. Okay, he said something
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: about he was on life support or he showed signs
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: of life.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: So I remember saying that.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: That's good, and it'll probably be a fun little war
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: in the front uncut down day if he doesn't perform
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: much better between Howie and Robbins, because there's no way
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: how he's.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Cutting him, not cutting a year two player. But Vic
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: will be like, fine, but I'm not playing him right,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: and that'll be fun.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, I was gonna say, I hope he
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: develops a little bit more and gets another chance.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: These will be some big games coming up for him
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: in the preseason to see that. Yeah, Trodder Jr.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean listen when you hear Vict talk about
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Campbell trying to make up for lost time and struggling,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: and you see what trod Or Junior does literally every
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: time he's out there.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: It's makes you wonder what's going on in Vic's head there.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look you look at his production. I
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: think he led the team in defensive stops. He had
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: three defensive stops and remember what that is. It's when
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: it's what a PFF calls it, what constitutes an offensive failure.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: It's really just any play that results in negative EPA.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: So like any play that does not put the offense
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: in a better position to score, whether that be a
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: tackle for a loss or a tackle on third down
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: where they don't get the conversion. That's typically what you
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: see for a stop. And he led the team with
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: three defensive stops. He missed zero percent of the tackles.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: He only had four tackles, but he played thirty seven
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: snaps and the snaps were allocated as twelve run defense,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: five pass rush, and twenty coverage snaps. And on his
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: pass rush he had one sack and at twenty percent
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: win rate. Again, that twenty percent, you can't extrapolate. It's
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: only five snaps, so I wouldn't extrapolate that at all.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: But that would be phenomenal if you could keep that up.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So what I was going to ask you,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: you know me, what I was gonna say, what do
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: you think to me?
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Knowing how I think about things? Would be the most interesting.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Stat most interesting on here from Trotter Junior. Maybe the
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: mistackle ry no.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: It's it's the sack that you were just referring to
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the five pass rushes from an off ball linebacker position,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: because this was what Nikoby dean, This was what made
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: him so critical the defense last year. He was the
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: fourth rusher in a four man sim pressure where a
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: linebacker blitz is in a D lineman drops right and
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Nikobe was so good at it. And you're seeing Trotter.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I've seen it in practice. He's getting opportunities to do that.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: And if VIC sees some of that in uh In
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Trotter and na Kobe, he might be figuring out ways
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: that he's gonna get Trotter on the field.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I think it's really interesting.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely should have known that it is interesting.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: And again that's that's a hard player to replace. I
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: definitely think so so that that could be interesting. I
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: didn't really think about it that way, but I like that.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: I like that quite a bit.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Yep, mac mcgwaves to play. I think he was dealing
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: with a groin. I don't know if that like impacted
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: him much. He's had some pretty good moments on camp,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: but does feel like they were they were going after
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: him a little?
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah? They I mean they did. They he had four targets.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: All four were receptions for thirty seven yards. You know,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: the Official Game book had him at ten tackles, which
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: is when you see a defensive back at ten tackles,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: you don't feel great about that. Typically that's not the
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: first I mean, unless he's played a lot of run supports.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Like Nickam and Worri in the Seattle Seattle defense coming
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: up in the line.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I mean that never feels good. I mean
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: PFF only had him at six, so I'm not really
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: sure the discrepancy, but I just think it's worth mentioning both.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean he was tested. He didn't look awful,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: but it wasn't the best performance, I'd say.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: All right. And then eight point three coverage snaps per target?
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Is that that is eight point three? What does that
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: mean specifically?
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it took eight point three covered snaps each
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: time he was targeted.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Essentially, Oh okay, gotcha.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Like the inverse I think would be easier to understand
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: it was one target per eight point three, But the
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: way it was written on the PFF status, I try
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: to keep it true to it, but that's essentially what
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: it means.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Got it, and then of course you the fa Maximus Pulley.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Is he the one from Wafford. I think he's from Wawford.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: You gotta you gotta throw out some fun names sometimes.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I think it's interest. So he
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: played how many how many snaps do you wind up playing?
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Do you have that there?
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I played thirteen thirteen?
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, so thirteen snaps, one reception for eleven yards, one tackle,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: one defensive staff man.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: So it seems like he's you know, this is vic.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: He wants his two deep safeties and he's willing to
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: have one post and you know, post snap, bring one
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: in into the box.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: But Pully is an interesting guy.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. Definitely just worth throwing in here,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: and we'll see how he continues to play.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this game against the Patriots wi pretty
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: ptty pretty big for him too.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: We'll get into that really quickly too, with some Patriots stuff.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: We want anybody think that we're gonna ignore that. So
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: this is the Patriots first game. They played the Colts
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: in the preseason opener, and.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the funnel tie.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeh. Play is pretty pretty.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Consistent, definitely, although they were completely outproduced in yards and
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: all the you know, relative statistics of yards yards were
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: pass yards per rush. They really struggle rushing the ball.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, two point six guards per rush is not
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: not good at all.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: No all reports and I don't I know, he didn't
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: play in the I don't think he played the preseason.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I didn't check.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: But Travion Henderson has really been struggling, yeah for them,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: and it sounds like vermondre Stevenson is gonna once again
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: be their lead back. And I mean this guy, this
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: guy who I really like, romondro Stevenson, but he funnels
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the ball.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: So much for a guy who's been a lead back,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: and yet he still keeps on holding on to it.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah that I mean, who knows how much longer they
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: have of the ramondre Stevenson experience. That is a shame
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: to hear about Travion Henderson because I thought he looked
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: really good coming out of college. Unfortunately we saw him
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: quite a bit, you know, when he was at Ohio State.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, yeah.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: I mean that that is that is something to watch
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: for sure.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: All Right, some Eagles keys to success against the Patriots.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think the first thing is established conventional
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: rushing efficiency I mean, they did allow four point nine
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: yards per rush, and again the Eagles running backs only
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: had two point eight yards per carry, but if you
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: looked at the statistics, it was five point four total
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: because a lot of that came from Cole Payton. But
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: I think that it should be interesting to see how
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: that backup offensive line and the Eagles back up running backs,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: you know, play in that context. I think running the
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: ball and you know, getting ahead of the chains is
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: something that could lead to success. Again, it's weird because
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: it's preseason and the score doesn't necessarily matter, but there's
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: certain things you want to see, and I think one
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: of the things I would really like to see is then,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: you know, consistently run the ball for positive gains.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: That Shipley especially, I mean, can you know he's the
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: third back you want, He's the juicy He's got some
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: juicy pass catching skills, and you would like to see
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: him combine that with some juicy running skills and just
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: you know, start to move the change for them.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and to that same you know, convert third downs
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: and maintain time of position. Yeah, the Pats were really
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: good on third down defense. They were they allowed one
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: out of eight and Obviously, as we talked about, the
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Eagles were bad at it. So to me, this is
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: a really good litmus test for just the offense in general,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: regardless of who's playing it, just to see, you know,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: this is a team that did very well on third
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: down against the Colts. So I really am interested to
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: see how the Eagles offense performs, especially with the feedback
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: that they got last week with the zero for nine.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: So that's that's something that maybe the keys to success
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: is not this is things I want to see, but
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: if it goes the way that I'm hoping it goes,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: it would be a key to success.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: This sort of is setting up just based on these
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: how well the Patriots were on third down and how
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: bad the Eagles were in the opener to be like
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: that ugly game between the Browns and the Eagles.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: From like four, You remember how bad it was. There's
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: like a three to nothing game.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know it was, it was bad.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I tried to like completely like delete it from my memory.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: But there was Awn's Eagles preseason game a couple of
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: years ago that might have been the ugliest, most just
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: like molasses type of you know, flow to the game
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: that you've ever seen. And hopefully these stats that we're
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: showing from the opener, don't you know, portend.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: That kind of game coming up.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I certainly hope not for sure, but yeah, that's
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: that's another big thing. And then i'd say protecting the football.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: I think both teams, you know, got turnovers, the Patriots
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: getting four is something that's interesting, especially how we open
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: this discussion about how what is is it okay for
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks to throw turn throw interceptions? So I think that
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: is interesting, and I'd like to see the Eagles not
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: commit turnovers and or if they do, you know, make
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: reasonable you know throws and you know, and those interceptions
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: that bounce off the receiver's hands rather than you know,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: an awfully thrown ball. Sure, again, the turnover avoidance was
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: one of the good things that we saw from the offense.
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• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Stopped committing penalties.
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  Speaker 3: But the thing is, like, if it's just the procedural penalties,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I think that's more palatable than it's like past interference
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: or other things like that, like make don't give up
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: yards for penalties, Like the thing is ten penalties for
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: ninety six yards. You basically gave them a score.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you say one hundred yards is a touchdown, right,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: So yeah.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred I agree, I agree.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I would really like to see that get settled out
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: as we go into these final weeks of the preseason, Sam,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: great stuff, as always. Now, next week we're gonna try,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: we'll see if we can. What we can do is
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: a little earlier in the week we get the recap
• 42:13
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• 42:16
  Speaker 1: we'll have a little preview of the third and final
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: preseason game against the Bengals, and then after that it'll
• 42:22
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• 42:24
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• 42:27
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  Speaker 1: ready for the season.
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  Speaker 3: You ready, I'm ready.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I'm excited. Well, of course, We're excited to
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• 42:45
  Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for this edition of Inside the
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  Speaker 1: Data on Inside the Birds for Sam Finkel.
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