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The Late Debate | 9 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 2: That's all right, Paul will just get it back on
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  Speaker 2: the way around at some point. Welcome to the program tonight.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Caleb Bond with Danika to Georgio and Joe Hildebrand.
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  Speaker 2: I have to say every time Paul does that segment
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  Speaker 2: at the end of his program, what they were doing
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  Speaker 2: while you were at work.
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  Speaker 1: Makes me think.
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  Speaker 2: You know, everyone was upset this week about the Prime minister,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sullying the office of Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 1: They're all doing it every day of the week with
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  Speaker 1: that guard.
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  Speaker 3: I'm surprised you haven't recorded a video of yourself doing
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  Speaker 3: something like that, Kaylor.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like it would be if anyone was going
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  Speaker 4: to do it, it would be you.
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  Speaker 5: Oh thanks, Nika, Yeah, I was looking forward to saying
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  Speaker 5: your only fans account.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well look, if this still goes tits up, I
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  Speaker 2: think as it was put on the podcast with the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister, maybe I'll have to consider it.
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  Speaker 1: He's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Marvel Stadium in Melbourne has been filled tonight with Indians
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  Speaker 2: who came out to see the Prime minister of their
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  Speaker 2: former country.
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  Speaker 1: They're indraw Mody.
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  Speaker 2: Is there any other world leader who'd get bically a
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  Speaker 2: rock star stadium show with the Prime Minister and Victorian Premier.
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  Speaker 2: Is it ever okay to tell off someone else's child
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  Speaker 2: for getting rap with your child? One mother's found herself
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  Speaker 2: in some trouble for doing so, and the potential triple
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  Speaker 2: zero death link to the Telstra outage that's on the
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  Speaker 2: front of the Advertiser when we look at tomorrow's papers.
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  Speaker 2: But first tonight, Angus Taylor has given one of his
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  Speaker 2: strongest speeches to date as Opposition leader this evening at
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  Speaker 2: the Sydney Institute. Now, in part this speech went after labor,
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  Speaker 2: but it wasn't just labor in his sights, was also
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  Speaker 2: One Nation.
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  Speaker 6: I understand why some Australians think the way out is
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  Speaker 6: to blow the place up, But to those who feel
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  Speaker 6: like lighting a match, believe me when I say that
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  Speaker 6: a moment of satisfaction isn't worth the eternity of pain
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  Speaker 6: that will follow. One Nation claims to offer a way
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  Speaker 6: out of a national malaise. In reality, they would only
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  Speaker 6: make things worse.
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  Speaker 2: He is well and truly on the attack against One
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  Speaker 2: Nation there as he says, they would only make things worse.
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  Speaker 2: According to the Opposition leader and a moment of satisfaction
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  Speaker 2: isn't worth the eternity of pain that will follow, which
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  Speaker 2: is basically the political equivalent of a moment on the
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  Speaker 2: lips a lifetime on the hips. It's an extraordinary attack
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  Speaker 2: for the opposition leader to take because, of course, yes
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  Speaker 2: they are leading a bleeding I should say coalition votes
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  Speaker 2: to One Nation. But does it work to go after
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  Speaker 2: people who've basically left your party for leaving your party?
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  Speaker 1: Is that a convincing argument to bring them back.
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  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson, the leader of One Nation who's currently in
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  Speaker 2: London in the last ninety minutes, has put the response
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  Speaker 2: to this speech online.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I'm still in London, but I've heard a lot
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  Speaker 7: of feedback about Angus Taylor's speech.
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  Speaker 4: People aren't happy.
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  Speaker 7: With what he said and his comments about One Nation
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  Speaker 7: and myself, I'm very disappointed with this, Angus. I'm not
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  Speaker 7: your enemy. We both need to get rid of the
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  Speaker 7: Labor the Greens government. That toxic government's done so much
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  Speaker 7: damage to this country. Here can reflect back on your
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  Speaker 7: budget reply speech. You picked up and said a lot
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  Speaker 7: of One Nation's policy, So I don't agree with you
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  Speaker 7: having to got me and what I stand for. You
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  Speaker 7: know rejunction of immigration. Where will the once said you
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  Speaker 7: followed our lead do with the voice net zero? Again
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  Speaker 7: you followed our lead to get rid of it. There's
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  Speaker 7: a lot of things that you've done, even the fuel excise.
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  Speaker 7: So a lot of the policies that you say won't
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  Speaker 7: work is not the truth at all. Let's work together,
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  Speaker 7: that's the right. It keeps saying all the time. The
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  Speaker 7: people of Australia are crying out for change. Listen to
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  Speaker 7: the people, Angus and work with me. Stop denigrating One
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  Speaker 7: Nation and work together.
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  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor also said that they would leave the country
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  Speaker 2: broke one Nation. That is I don't really understand Denika
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  Speaker 2: why the opposition leader is taking this line. Because the
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  Speaker 2: common enemy is the Labor Party. Both One Nation and
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  Speaker 2: the Coalition are farting against.
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  Speaker 1: The Labor Party.
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  Speaker 2: People have left the coalition to go to One Nation
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  Speaker 2: because they're not happy with what the Coalition is serving
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  Speaker 2: up to them, and so Angus Taylor is now basically
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  Speaker 2: insulting people who've left the coalition to say that they
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  Speaker 2: would vote for One Nation unless you offer them policy,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is the only way to recover anything
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  Speaker 2: for them.
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  Speaker 1: It's not to attack one Nation.
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  Speaker 2: It's to just give a cojed argument for why you
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  Speaker 2: think you are the party of government. Going after one
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  Speaker 2: Nation will only embed the votes of those people who've
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  Speaker 2: said I'm not happy with the coalition, I'm looking for
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  Speaker 2: an alternative with one Nation.
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  Speaker 3: You're right, and I despair for this Liberal Party because
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  Speaker 3: they're just they're not listening and they're not learning. There
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  Speaker 3: is a reason why conservative voters have switched off the
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  Speaker 3: Liberal Party and have instead gone to One Nation. There
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  Speaker 3: is a reason why One Nation and Pauline Hanson are
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  Speaker 3: so popular in the polling right now. And to hear
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  Speaker 3: the Liberal Party day in, day out, week in week
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  Speaker 3: out attacking one Nation, attacking Pauline Hanson, quite frankly, it
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  Speaker 3: is getting boring and it's getting repetitive, because, as you said, Caleb,
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  Speaker 3: there is one enemy right now in this country, and
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  Speaker 3: that is the Labor government, which is just handed down
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  Speaker 3: its most disastrous budget yet that is affecting every single
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  Speaker 3: age group.
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  Speaker 4: For the sake of this country and for.
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  Speaker 3: The sake of the Liberal Party's survival, for goodness sake,
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  Speaker 3: stop attacking one nation.
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  Speaker 4: One nation is not the enemy here.
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  Speaker 3: The enemy is the Labor Party, and just on that
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  Speaker 3: point for their very own survival. I don't know where
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  Speaker 3: the Liberal Party goes now moving on in I just
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  Speaker 3: think that given the polling is disastrous and Gus Taylor
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  Speaker 3: is clearly not resonating enough.
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  Speaker 4: To claw back that vote.
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  Speaker 3: Understand it is still early days, but I just don't
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  Speaker 3: think that he is. But this also follows when Garth
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  Speaker 3: Hamilton a couple of weeks ago was talking about monoculture
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  Speaker 3: and he said that monoculture has more in common with
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  Speaker 3: Sharia law than Western liberal democracies. That is unhelpful as
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  Speaker 3: it is absolutely ridiculous. You've got Andrew Hasty as well
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  Speaker 3: doing the same thing. Instead of focusing on one nation,
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  Speaker 3: why don't they focus on themselves. Build the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 3: up to be the best party that it can be,
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  Speaker 3: to be the party that it used to be, a
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  Speaker 3: mensis driven conservative party with actual alternate policies.
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  Speaker 5: Where do they get the voters from. That's the thing.
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  Speaker 5: Like they can do all the I mean, I'll be
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  Speaker 5: the first to say they haven't done the policy work.
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  Speaker 5: But they've had to junk their policy on net zero,
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  Speaker 5: they've had to junk their policy on nuclear for sort
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  Speaker 5: of two opposite sides of the same coin, one nation.
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  Speaker 5: This is what happens when you seed vital ground. One
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  Speaker 5: nation has taken the right wing base. There is no way.
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  Speaker 5: And this is the thing. Labor is laughing all the
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  Speaker 5: way to the bank at the moment while this is
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  Speaker 5: going on, because if one nation becomes the opposition, the
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  Speaker 5: main opposition party, and the Liberal Party gets knocked out
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  Speaker 5: in a three cornered contest, or then that's get knocked
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  Speaker 5: out and votes flow to one nation. That puts Labor
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  Speaker 5: in a better position. So if you look at all,
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  Speaker 5: a lot of polls just aren't doing two party preferred
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  Speaker 5: anymore because it's also volatile, and that's fair enough and
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  Speaker 5: very sensible. But if you look at the ones that
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  Speaker 5: do and do two different two pps compared to the
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  Speaker 5: coalition versus one nation, the coalition actually performs better than
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  Speaker 5: one nation does because all those one nation voters are
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  Speaker 5: going to go back to the coalition parties before they
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  Speaker 5: go to Labor. But there are plenty of people in
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  Speaker 5: liberal who libs, you know, plenty of Libs that now teals,
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  Speaker 5: for example, but plenty of people in the liberal camp
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  Speaker 5: if they're not voting for one nation. If you're a
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  Speaker 5: coalition voter, and you're not voting for one nation now
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  Speaker 5: you probably never will. That is why those votes you
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  Speaker 5: could call them sort of never one nation votes, non votes,
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  Speaker 5: they come back to the Labor Party. So again, if
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  Speaker 5: and this is what's happening in Victoria as well, if
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  Speaker 5: one Nation overtakes the Liberal Party in Victoria, there's every
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  Speaker 5: chance that Labor could actually win again, believe it or not,
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  Speaker 5: because a lot of those Liberal votes will be too
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  Speaker 5: shy to go to one nation and they'll go back
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  Speaker 5: to cina A.
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  Speaker 2: You're then assuming though that you don't bleed labor votes
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  Speaker 2: into one nation, which helps.
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  Speaker 5: The labor votes do bleed into one nation, but they
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  Speaker 5: tend to bleed into one nation in very very safe
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  Speaker 5: labor seats, blue collar seats. And so that's what happened
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  Speaker 5: in South Australian election. That's what's happened, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Which to be fair, turned heavily a labor territory marginal.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly, but it's still their seat, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 5: It's still their seat.
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  Speaker 1: But that was also three months ago.
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  Speaker 2: But the point is, though, does this method of attack
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  Speaker 2: by Angus getting one nation.
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  Speaker 5: Get them back? Has to get those votes, what does
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  Speaker 5: you do attacking, Well, the only way he can do
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  Speaker 5: it is by saying that one nation is you know,
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  Speaker 5: I know what you want, and you think you can
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  Speaker 5: sort of have it all, and you want it all
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  Speaker 5: and you want it now, but you can't have it.
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  Speaker 5: They're not going they're not responsible economic managers. They are
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  Speaker 5: not going to deliver you the things they say they can,
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  Speaker 5: the things that you want. Please come back to come
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  Speaker 5: back to Papa, come back to it.
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  Speaker 3: But isn't there a reason, as I said, but there's
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  Speaker 3: a reason why voters are deserting the Liberal Party in
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  Speaker 3: droves and moving to one nation. So don't I don't
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  Speaker 3: think that byer then attacking one nation, because you're effectively
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  Speaker 3: then attacking those voters who are looking for more and
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  Speaker 3: for looking for for something alternative.
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  Speaker 5: The coalition only wins if it is a broad church
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  Speaker 5: of people who are very very conservative, right wing, whatever
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  Speaker 5: you want to call it, and also those people in
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  Speaker 5: the middle. That is the only way the coalition wins.
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  Speaker 5: If you want to just go off and vote for
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  Speaker 5: your bespoke party of choice because you know, because it
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  Speaker 5: represents everything you want and says the things you want,
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  Speaker 5: that's fine, But unless you marry it with other people,
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  Speaker 5: with other parties that also that that have different views
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  Speaker 5: and different policies, unless you're prepared to compromise on that.
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  Speaker 2: That comes later, that comes after an election, if and
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  Speaker 2: when you're in that position to form a government. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't see I don't see the logic of
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  Speaker 2: saying to people who are unhappy with the coalition that
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  Speaker 2: you are wrong to have gone to one nations.
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  Speaker 5: Why people was doing it? But he said, but it just.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of enforces why they've left the coalition, doesn't it,
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  Speaker 2: Like they go, well, yeah, so you're telling me that
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  Speaker 2: one nation is going to blow the joint up. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: half the reason of gone to one nation is going
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  Speaker 2: to want to blow that. Yeah, because I'm that sick
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  Speaker 2: of how it's going.
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  Speaker 5: That's right, We'll suck it and say, I mean, part
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  Speaker 5: of me actually really wants to see a one nation government.
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  Speaker 5: So people, can you know, this is what it looks like.
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  Speaker 5: Let's see if it works. If it works, great, But
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  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure that you know one nation majority government
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  Speaker 5: would not be the paragon of fiscal responsibility and economic growth.
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  Speaker 1: That how bad could it be? A lot of people
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  Speaker 1: are thinking.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the problem.
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  Speaker 3: And I still maintain I think that the Australia did change,
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  Speaker 3: particularly after BONDI, and I'm not entirely sure as of
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  Speaker 3: yet if the Coalition has caught up with the sentiment
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  Speaker 3: of the public. Now look, speaking of Pauline Hansen, as
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  Speaker 3: you saw in that clip there, she's of course over
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  Speaker 3: in London this week and she has done a sit
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  Speaker 3: down interview with the highly controversial Tommy Robinson. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: this is the activist whom Karl Stefanovic in recent weeks
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  Speaker 3: did an interview with that led to Carl Stefanovic being
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  Speaker 3: sacked from the Today Show. Here they are in London
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  Speaker 3: meeting up for this podcast with that that's set to
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  Speaker 3: be released in the next couple of weeks. Now already
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  Speaker 3: the controversy has of course already started. Given Tommy Robinson's background,
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  Speaker 3: he is a convicted criminal, he has a history of violence.
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  Speaker 3: But it can be said that Tommy Robinson is right
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  Speaker 3: now a very prominent figure in the UK, and I
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  Speaker 3: would even argue he's really ahead when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: topics about mass migration, for ex ample radical Islam. He
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  Speaker 3: certainly has not shied away from debate and certainly not
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  Speaker 3: shy away from talking about it, but here is a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of how they interacted earlier. Sorry, we don't
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  Speaker 3: have that. We have a Pauline quote.
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  Speaker 4: This is what she said.
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  Speaker 3: I'm on a fact finding mission here in the UK,
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  Speaker 3: and each day I've lined up meetings with those who
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  Speaker 3: are willing to talk to me about where the UK
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  Speaker 3: went so wrong with its immigration.
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  Speaker 1: Why.
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  Speaker 3: Because I see the same problems in Australia and I'll
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  Speaker 3: be damned if I let our country go the same
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  Speaker 3: dreadful path the UK has. I sat down with this
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  Speaker 3: brave man, Tommy Robinson, a man who has always had
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  Speaker 3: the best interests of his nation at heart. Tommy Robinson
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  Speaker 3: also put on social media, had a fascinating time chatting
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  Speaker 3: to one of the bravest ladies on the planet. Quite
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  Speaker 3: a little romance of bravery going on here. Fearless, relentless,
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  Speaker 3: consistent fighting for the Australian people and hopefully the leader
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  Speaker 3: of her nation. Now, look, I say, good on her,
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  Speaker 3: Good on her for doing this this podcast interview. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think that there is an issue. Pauline Hanson has
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  Speaker 3: always been one person that would talk to anybody, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that she cares that it's on the
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  Speaker 3: left side of politics or on the right side of politics.
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  Speaker 3: The reality is, as I said that Tommy Robinson like him,
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  Speaker 3: all loath him.
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  Speaker 4: He is right now at the forefront.
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  Speaker 3: Even a couple of months ago he helped put on
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  Speaker 3: what was called the Unite the Kingdom rally. It was
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  Speaker 3: against mass migration, it was taking back British values, and
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  Speaker 3: there were tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands
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  Speaker 3: of everyday Brits that rocked up to this rally. Britain
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  Speaker 3: is saying enough is enough, and the two of them
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  Speaker 3: share a lot of the same sentiments. So I think
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  Speaker 3: she's being strategic. She knows exactly what she's doing by
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  Speaker 3: doing an interview with Tommy Robinson. She knows it's going
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  Speaker 3: to get people talking. And you know what, she couldn't
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  Speaker 3: care less, And I say, good on her.
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  Speaker 5: Is she going to meet next? Or really, who's Tommy
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  Speaker 5: Robinson going to meet next? He's met just about it?
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  Speaker 4: Reality?
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  Speaker 5: Going to meet albos You going to meet Larissa Orders?
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  Speaker 2: Now that'd be something, wouldn't Yeah, Look, I'll a should
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  Speaker 2: be quite fun Tommy Robinson.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, as I said, look, you know I've gotten not
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  Speaker 5: outraged by Pauline Hanson meeting Tommy Robinson. I don't like
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  Speaker 5: Tommy Robinson. I don't like his background. I don't like
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  Speaker 5: the things that he's done. If people look into it,
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  Speaker 5: he is a convicted criminal, and I think there are
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  Speaker 5: plenty of non convicted criminals with similar views to him
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  Speaker 5: who people can look up to instead of idolizing and
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  Speaker 5: lionizing a thug who happens to say something they agree
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  Speaker 5: with on immigration. But if she wants to meet with him,
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  Speaker 5: good honor. But whether it will do any good politically,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. And again, the only way One Nation
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  Speaker 5: wins is by expanding its voter base, not just appealing
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  Speaker 5: to the sort of far right extreme of its voter base.
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  Speaker 5: And again, this is why, you know, going back to
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  Speaker 5: the this is why Angus Taylor still has to hold
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  Speaker 5: a kind of mainstream position and can't afford to just
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  Speaker 5: change all his policies so they're exactly like One Nations.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, if Tommy Robinson wins Pauline Hanson the
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  Speaker 5: next federal election, I stand to be corrected.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure it'll be Tommy Robinson that might winner
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  Speaker 2: a federal election. I think the play here is pretty obvious.
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  Speaker 2: You had a great deal of publicity obviously around Carl
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  Speaker 2: Steffanovick sitting down with Tommy Robinson. And so basically what
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  Speaker 2: she's counting on is that the same people who lost
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  Speaker 2: their minds over Carl Steffanovick talking to Tommy Robinson will
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: lose their minds over Pauline Hanson talking to Tommy Robinson,
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: which means you generate a week worth of headlines. And
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  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson's name is omnipresent in the media, which is
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  Speaker 2: essentially how Donald Trump has run his campaigns. Like the
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  Speaker 2: Democrats have at every presidential campaign outspent Donald Trump by
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  Speaker 2: shed loads more, right, but Donald Trump gets far more
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  Speaker 2: mentioned in the media, and that's basically how he campaigns.
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  Speaker 2: He gets his mentions for free, he doesn't pay for them.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's essentially what Pauline Hanson is trying
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  Speaker 2: to do here.
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  Speaker 1: She's counting on.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that this will cause controversy, which means it
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  Speaker 2: will cause headlines, and it'll be in the papers, and
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  Speaker 2: it'll be on the six PM news and everyone will
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  Speaker 2: be talking about it, and whether they like it or not,
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  Speaker 2: it at least means they're talking about Pauline hands And.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know what else I've noticed about her campaign
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  Speaker 3: right now. They're doing very good social media clips. I
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  Speaker 3: have to say one nation the fact that somebody thought
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  Speaker 3: to do a bit of a behind the scenes of
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: the pair of the meeting, knowing that they could then
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  Speaker 3: put that on social media and start getting people talking.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: I think that's smart. The Angus Taylor there, she was
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: in the car in London going somewhere. It's quick, it's fast,
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: and it's effective, and it's more effective than her sitting
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: there in a formal setting. It's her just being relaxed
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: talking to the camera and that puts her on a
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: very relatable level to her voters. And that's the thing,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: because it's like she's speaking at your level. She's not
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: talking at you, she's talking at your level. And she's
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: been doing a lot of these clips lately, and some
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: of them have actually been quite fun and quite humorous,
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: so we're seeing a different side of her. So I
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: just wonder if in the background they've had a social
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: media campaigner, because have a look at that, like you,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: if you go on to her social media, you'll see
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: there's been a massive uptick in the way that she's
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: putting out videos and I actually think it's very successful.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: I think James Ashby is just himself quite adept at
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: that stuff as well. Right, but I can't wait until
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: she I mean, she wants to be relatable. The next
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: thing she's got to do is the shag Mary date one.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: Right, you know what, she probably would this thing. I
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: wouldn't put it past, put something out and love that.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: But you know what, because she she can have a
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: laugh about it and do it in a way that's
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: like fun and funny.
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: So wrong with politicians being able to have fun. This
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: is why I'm so confused that the writers are outraged
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: by Albow doing it. The right used to be the
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: sort of iconoclastic ones that had smashed sacred cows, and you.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Know it just it was a bit awkward when the
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: melonies think so.
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: And you're absolutely right about people feeling like they know
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: her and that she's talking directly to them, and cos
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: Samaras from Redbridge talks about this a lot and saying
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: that you know, in the focus groups that they do
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: all the time, they don't call her Hanson. They call
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: her Pauline, as though she's a friend of theirs, a neighbor,
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: you know, a grandma that they've known all their lives
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: because they're really familiar with her. And I think that's
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: really important, just the fact that she's been around for
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: a long long time. But again I don't think it helps.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: You know, she's got her base. They are with her already,
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: and she gets attention as it is already, and it's
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: not like Donald Trump, where you have to get people
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: revved up to go out and vote, and otherwise they
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: could just sit on their backsides and say home. And
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: you remember in the last election he was saying, get
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: off the couch, Get off the couch. Don't just think
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: you can see this one out. You've got to come
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: out and vote. In Australia, even the most apolitical moderate person,
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: you know, a person who thinks are all politicians are
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: useless or I just don't care, I'm not quite sure,
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: you know, blah blah blah. If those kind of generally
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: shy voters are spooked, like if Pauline Hanson, who has
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: now gone totally mainstream, but then sits down with Tommy Robinson,
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: convicted criminal who's been committed harassment and all these sorts
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: of things and says, oh, she's hanging around with that guy.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: You know, oh, maybe that is a bit much for me.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: She could scare she could scare undecided voters off, and
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: so those are the ones you need in a compulsory
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: preferential voting system. It's the undecideds that you need to
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: win an election. It's no good just revving up your
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: base and getting them even more excited. They are already
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: with you. You've got to move to middle and that's
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: like the catch twenty two of all political parties in Australia.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: You can start off as a party of protests like
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: One Nation. If you want to get to the critical mass,
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: you have to become more and more mainstream, and then
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: you become one of the major parties who you just
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: spent in the last You know.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: That the proof of the pudding will be in the eating,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I suppose, But against a bit like Nigel Farage being
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: linked to potentially dodgy people. I mean, it wasn't all
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: that long ago that you're trying to run a campaign
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: about well, One Nation had a convicted rapist working for them,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: and that was big for a couple of weeks and
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: then it disappeared and people have largely forgotten about it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: So whether or not this stuff actually cuts through. I'm
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: not convinced as in that it damages them. Now here's
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: a story that could be damaging for you if you
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: give it a go.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Though.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Is it okay to tell off someone else's child for
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: getting involved.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: With your child?
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: You know they're on the playground, they get violent, or
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: something happens right.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Now, it's a well understood rule.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I think generally that you don't talk or reprimand someone
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: else's child because it causes problems like this. A mother
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: has reported online an Australian Mother that she found herself
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: in this situation.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: She wrote, my two year old.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Was standing in one of these splash pad circles. This
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: is at a playground, playing with the fountains, when an older,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: much larger girl came running around a corner without looking
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: and plowed into her. My daughter briefly went airborne before
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: hitting the concrete and ended up with abrasions and a
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: very frightened cry. As I picked her up, I calmly
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: said to the other child, you heard it, who is
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: smaller than you, Please be careful and play safer. That
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: was the entirety of my interaction. Then I scooped up
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: my girl and went to sit and soothe her. But
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: then as her toddler was still crying, the parent of
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: the other kid, the bigger kid, comes over and says
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: that you should never have spoken to my daughter.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: The woman rights.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Is it really expected now that adults never speak directly
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: to another child, even after they've just hurt yours, and
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: even if only to reflect impact and ask them to stop?
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Have I completely missed a social norm?
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Here? Was she you have? She was wrong to do it?
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Yep, you do not talk to anyone else's child. It
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: is an absolute golden rule among parents. I can count
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: maybe on the maybe once or twice I think it's happened.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: And and that's in with three and a half kids,
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: and over twelve years, you just abruptly do not do it.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: They haven't come along yet, they're still they're still working.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: But but yeah, you just you absolutely do not do
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: it. It is not like and again if I haven't had.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: In fact, the one time it happened to me, it
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: wasn't even it didn't even quite happen. It was a
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: parent who came over to me and told me to
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: tell off my kid who was? Who was? Because he
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: was flopping around and playing and there were little kids around.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: My baby was there, and he landed just near my baby,
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: and he could have blah blah blah blah blah. And
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: even then I was like, get the hell out of
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: my face, you crazy old Karen. So no, you absolutely
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: do not do it. Kids. Usually kids get hurt in
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: playgrounds all the time. You pick up your kids, say
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: that's all right, darling, it's okay, come over here, have
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: a biscuit. Whatever. It is not your job to discipline
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: somebody else's okay.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Let me put it to you this way.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: What about in a gentle way if you've noticed that
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: your kids suddenly become airbor now has abrasions, that is
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: crying out in pain, and you're standing in front of
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: your child and the child responsible a small honey, be careful,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Oh please be careful, love, Be careful, love. I don't
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: think that that that's a gentle way to do it.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: It's not attacking the child, it's not being to the child,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: it's not disrespectful to the.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: Other it's not your child.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: It's a gentle way children.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: But don't you think that's a gentle way of doing honey,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: please be careful? And that other parent wouldn't that wouldn't
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: you just want to try and disarm the conversation and
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: just go, I'm so sorry to the parent, take your
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: child away, and say that to that child. So, in
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: this case, the older child, be very careful on the playground,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: don't do that again, because I would argue that there
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: are a lot of parents out there that just let
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: their children run them up.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: If you're allowed to tell off every kid who ran
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: around without looking where they were going, or ran around
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: without a corner without looking at way going, you would
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: you would never stop. You would be the playground police.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: Adults a yell at kids, other people's kids, there's something
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: wrong with them. That's just not It is just.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not I'm not suggesting that you go
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: around and discipline somebody else's child. That is not your
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: responsibility to discipline somebody else's child.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: But I don't think that there's anything wrong with it.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Oh honey, be careful.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I mean I've heard I remember at school when we
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: used to play in the playground, and yes, we would
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: run into each other, we would hurt each other by accident,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: and you'd have another parent come along.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Be like, honey, just be careful, you know, I just
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: think that there is.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: A gentle way, of a passive way of doing it
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: and not in an angry time.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: Mind you bring your kid out of the situation.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: I just don't think you.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Need to be defensive about about it with another child.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I just think in a gentle way, and I'm not
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: I really am not suggesting that you go around disciplining
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: somebody else's child.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: I don't think that that's a prome.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: You'll notice I've said very little about this because I
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: don't have kids.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: I don't have look, to be fair, I don't have
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: kids either. But you're asking me the question in regards
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: to this story, and I'm giving you an answer based
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: on what I would see of this story, and I
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: think it's a gentle way of diffusing the situation.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Personally, I'd love by taking your child, which is what
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: you can control, out of that situation.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: I want to, I would like to, Caleb, give.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Us your I can understand why is a parent you'd
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: be upset with another parent talking to your kid?
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Right, Okay, it's you know.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I understand the compulsion you might feel as a parent
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: to talk to a kid that's just done something to
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: your kid, But it feels like you're opening yourself.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Up to danger.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: In a friendly manner.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you still open yourself up to dangerous. This woman
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: found out right.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Well, clearly she did find out pretty pretty quickly. Gee,
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: it must be. It must be tough being a parent
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: these days.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Time I need to say, I have a couple of drinks.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: About it, and that solves all of the problems.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Look, rock star receptions are normally reserved for rock stars.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: But over in Melbourne tonight, that rock star reception was reserved.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Would you believe for the Prime Minister of India, Narendra Modi,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: who's currently touring Australia as.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: Part of an official visit.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: He actually managed to pack out Marvel Stadium, where about
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: forty thousand of the local Indian community came to see
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: him speak. Have a look at this. This vision absolutely
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: flaws me. This looks like it could be a grand final,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: the stance that there is no room and they really
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: did roll out the red carpet.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: But have a look at his welcome.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: Welcome the Prime Minister of India, honorabolish.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I mean the smiles there, I tell you, Albo's probably thinking,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: see they've all forgotten about my shag and Melon's comment
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: because now they're all they all love me now, But
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: I've got to say that the comment of the night
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: was reserved for the Premier, Justinta Alan.
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: It is my honor to welcome you to and to Victoria.
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: We are the education state, the multi cultural capital of Australia.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: But much more importantly than that, we.
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: Are home to more Indian Australians than anywhere else in
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: the country.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: And there it is that word multiculturalism.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Ping ping ping Labor is absolutely loving this tonight. Now.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: I was having a look online the Indian population. The
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Indian born population of Australia is nine hundred and seventy thousand,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: so just under one million. That is the largest overseas
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: born population group in Australia. Now, why, in my view
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: is Anthony Albanesi loving this? I honestly think that this
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: was a great play for him to try and win
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: over votes. And as soon as just Into Alan mentions multiculturalism,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: you know exactly.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: Where this is going.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanese was all over render Modi today like a rash.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: He was obsessed with talking about him anything to.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Do with the render Modi.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: But where else in Australia would you get a rock
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: star reception. If any sort of politician were to come
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: and visit this country, I don't think anyone would pack
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: out a Marvel stadium, let alone. Why would we put
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: on an event for anyone, for anyone, for any foreign leader.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Why on earth would we put on an event like this,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: which makes me again suspicious that this is all a
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: labor play for votes.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: Well, we've already put it on for mode because he
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: came and did the exact same thing did and it's
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: the second time, and that people couldn't believe it back
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: then a few years ago. But it just shows the
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: level of support that he has among his base. And
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: the answer is because an Andra Modi is no ordinary politician.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: He is like India's Donald Trump. He's a Hindu nationalist,
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: so he's considered right wing in India and puts Hindu values.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: You know, if you just replace Hindu with America and
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: you've basically got the Donald Trump of India, so you know,
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: Hindu values, prioritizing his Hindu base, prioritizing their Hindu religion.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: When of course India is very multicultural as well. It's
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: got a huge Muslim population, it's got a huge sekh population.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: And it also has a huge caste system, and it.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: Has a huge cast system. And I dare say Modi
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: is one hundred percent Brahman, he'd be right up there.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: And so that that is the sort of guy you
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: So you're dealing with a massive populist from what is
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: the most populous nation in the world. Now, India has
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: got a bigger population than China. Now, so there's your answer.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: He is absolutely huge.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: And so you are admitting that it is the Labor
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Party gin reflecting to Indians.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: I don't think genuflecting. I think they're just riding the wave.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: And when you say because because you make the Trump comparison,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: there is no way that if Donald Trump came to
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Australia you would have someone booking Marvel Stadium or the
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: SCG or Alliance or Satim.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: Would probably book it himself.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: To then have the Prime Minister walk out with him
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: to you know, you wear say you wear say, and
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: then the Prime Minister getting out and saying how great
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: it is to have everyone in tonight, and then the
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Premier just Cinda Allen saying we love.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: The Yanks here is it so good to have Donald
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Donald Donald Trump would never happen.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: If Donald Trump wanted to come out here and that
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: is what he wanted, I have no doubt whatsoever that
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: Australia or any Australian government would do exactly that.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: I do not think that I would take the microphone
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Number one raise from number one.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: Man military ally and number one strategic ally. The Commander
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: in chief of the Free Albow.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Has been silent when it comes to America.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: He's been the worst ally since Donald Trump was re elected.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: And if he's going to get out there with a bike.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: Go YAYI Any American president comes here, they are given
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: absolutely whatever they want. Absolutely what to pack out?
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: Would you pack?
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Would you do you want to see? Thinks I haven't
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: that they would say let's get Donald Trump out at
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Marvel Stadium. Let's pack it out. And do you think
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: that Jacinta Allen would take the microphone and say this
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: is a win for multi corcial?
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: Of course, well, if it's Donald Trump. The other reason
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: is we don't have as much of an American expat population,
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: although you do have. Me I'm half American.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: So what you're omitting is that we have to do
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: it because there are lots of Indians here now.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: So we have to genuflect to them, Like I.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: Just I cannot.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I cannot see how they would ever do that for
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump. In fact, I can't see how they would
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: do it for any other world.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: Anything Donald Trump asked for he would get absolutely one hundred.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I don't I do not believe Trump organizing his own rally.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I just can't see one with the Prime Minister and
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: the Premier and the Housing Ministry and whatever would all
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: get up there and celebrate him in that manner and
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: organize the beating drama Nara.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Of course, I just can't believe.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: I just wonder if Anthony but he's jealous, because he
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: would never be able to pack.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Out put it. In fact, any Australian prime minister, if
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: you tried to do that for an Australians.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: In Harris Park, indeed, I.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Wonder how they got there.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Actually, I wonder if they jumped in a cab to
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: go down to Marvel Stadium. Because this is another one
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: that we were having the argument about whether or not
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: disciplined the child. This is another one that is dividing
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: people online at the moment apparently, which is whether or
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: not you sit in the front seat of the taxi
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: or the uber, depending on which service.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: You choose to use.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: It was posed online on Reddit, just a basic question
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: by a gen X bloke. He said, am I the
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: last one to do this? I do it in ubers,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: that is, to sit in the front, but they generally
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: don't seem prepared for it, presumably because people are doing
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: it less and less.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: The interesting thing is that there are hundreds of people
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: who replied as to whether they do or don't do it,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: and it's divided along age and sex lines. So and
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: when I say sex lines, I don't mean the ones
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: that used advertising the classes in.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: The double double five.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, you know all about my.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Heart high Joe who called up tonight. No, that's not
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: what I mean.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: When I say sex lines, I mean along the lines
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: of six. So women are more likely to sit in
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: the back than men, and also younger people are more
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: likely to sit in the back than older people.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: What's going on, Joe.
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you what's going on, Caleb. It is another
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: overhang from COVID. That is the first thing. It's really nasty.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: Another thing where it sort of drove us apart, where
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: if you want to get an uber during the pandemic
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: and during restrictions you were actually allowed to sit in
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: the front. And so there will be lots of young
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: people who have simply no memory of that ever being
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: a thing. And this and this is the amazing thing.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: I came to Sydney in two thousand for my cadet ship,
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: my first job as a journo, and of course it
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: was the Olympics and it was bigger than ben hur
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: And there was an ad that was playing almost ad
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: infinitum on high rotation talking about Australian values and how
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: great they were, and one of them was, we sit
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: in the front seat of a taxi. We don't sit
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: in the back like the taxi drivers our chauffeur. We
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: sit in the front as two equal people in a
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: country that celebrates equality and matship and where no one
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: thinks that they're better than anybody else. And we have
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: just lost that. That is now something we've lost, because
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: this person is absolutely right. If you get an urban hour,
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: if you sit in the go to sit in the front.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: The driver's really surprised. They've got all their stuff on
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: the seat passenger seat next to them, and they're clearly
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: just not expecting it. And so it is. I think
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: it is just one of those ways, like working from home,
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: where all these ridiculous and often over the top restrictions
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: and rules have just made us a society that's just
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: a little bit more distant, a little bit and a
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: little bit more sort of, you know, a little bit
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: more stratified. I think.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: I think from a woman's perspective, it's a safety matter.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I would I would never ever sit in the front seat.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: I always sit in the back on the left hand
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: side as a safety because I don't.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Know this person. I don't I don't trust them.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: I want to be able to see their identity, and
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I do check their I just I always have a
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: look and I want to be able to see them drive.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: I want to be able to just make sure.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: And also because some of them absolutely stink, like the
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: bo just kills me in those in the in the
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: taxis and the ubers, so like, I want to sit
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: as far away from the driver as I possibly can.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: So I think that that's probably why women are more
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: likely to sit in the back seat, and I think
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: that that's absolutely reasonable. And the other thing is if
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: you hop in the front seat, you're probably more going
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: to be inclined to have to have a chat to
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: the driver.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I don't have a chat at the time, and that's
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: that's the thing for me.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: It depends on what mood. I mean.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: If I'm up for a chat, I'll sit in the front.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: If I want to have a chat, I'll sit.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: In the back.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: And though I did have one recently, I got in
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: an uber and I was sitting in the back because
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I was one of the focus on work. I was
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: coming in here. I had to get some stuff done.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I was running late. And the first the guy opened up,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: what do you reckon? His opener was, oh that benjaminittnya
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: who he's a war criminal.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Well, I remember, I'm just really quickly. I know we
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: got to go break.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: But I remember, just straight after October seven, hopping in
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: at a cab here in Sydney, and the driver said,
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: oh no, the Jewish hostages.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: They loved it.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: They were treated so well by how must they wanted
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: to stay longer? And I thought, you're talking, You're really
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: talking to the wrong A.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Good way to keep your custom, isn't it.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: After the break, we'll get into all of tomorrow's newspapers.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Police now investigating whether or not there was a death
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: linked to the Telstra outage yesterday.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Way before we get into.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: The papers, we should mark the death of Bonnie Tyler,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: of course, sir, the singer at age seventy five. A
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: couple of months ago she was in hospital in an
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: induced coma, and she'd only recently come out of that coma,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: and they said she was still fighting for her life.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: But she has today died the great scener of course,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: of total eclipse of the heart. And she was still
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: performing up until really recently, in fact, when someone said
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: today or this evening, Bonnie Tyler's dared, and I googled
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: to read a story about it, and actually came up
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: with a whole bunch of like two a days she
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: had coming up.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: So she was still well and truly on the scene.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: Well and truly on the scene, just not well. Speaking
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: of which I did not realize until thirty seconds ago
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: that she was Welsh.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: He's got the same thing.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: That's probably because most people hide the fact that they're Welsh.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: On the front of the Advertisers tomorrow, it says triple
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: zero Death pro Police have launched an investigation into the
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: death of an elderly South Australian who according to Liberal
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Senator Karen Little, died after allegedly being unable to connect
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: to Triple zero during Telstra's nationwide outage. The person darted
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: at a regional hospital on Wednesday.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: The issue blew.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Up into a political staush over transparency versus privacy yesterday
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: between Senator Little and Police Minister Michael Brown. Now that
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: the controversy to all of that is that Karen Little
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: posted last night online that she was aware of someone
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: who had died because of the fact they couldn't get
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: through to Triple zero, and then the Police Minister in
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: South Australia said, will there's been no complaint or nothing
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: lodged with the police to suggest that anyone has died.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Karen then spoke to the family that obviously had told
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: her about it and told them, you've got to go
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: and tell the police that has now happened.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: And so the police are looking into it.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: But in the meantime, the state government in essay had
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: basically tried to make out like Karen Little was based lying.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: Essentially, what would be the point of them trying to
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: make out that if she was lying.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Well, because they had no evidence at that point that
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: there had been a complaint made. I think they were
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: perhaps hasty in trying to make a political.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: I don't think they should make a political issue out
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: of this, isn't no.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: I understood it was the police themselves who had said
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: that that there would been no deaths, right that is,
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: but Kerry and obviously had direct knowledge from the family.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: So and then there's a question of whether they died
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: because they couldn't reach they just happened not to.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I guess that'll form part of the investigation.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Now let's take a look at tomorrow's Australian We've of
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: course been talking about Narendra Modi's visit and there they
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: are together, Anthony Alberenezi and Narendra mo great strong leader
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: to two of the very great. But if you're over
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: in Victoria, guess what you paid for it? Victorian taxpayers
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: will put a substantial share of the bill for Thursday
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: nights Narendra Mody event at Marvel Stadium as Premier Justinto
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Allen seeks to maximize the political dividend from the Indian
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Prime minister's three day visit. The Victorian government's financial hacking
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: of the event comes as labor intensifies efforts to consolidate
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: support among Victoria's large Indian Australian community, a key voting
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: block in Melbourne's out of suburbs. Uh and after greeting
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: mister Moody alongside Formahoe Affairs. But it's a Claire O'Neil,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: miss Allen secured a prime speaking role as we played
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: too earlier her little multicultural comments.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: So it just goes back to the point that they
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: that we.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Were making this in my view, was a very labor
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: driven event for votes. And it's even more clear another
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: the Victorian taxpayer is going to be forking out part
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: of the cost.
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: As you suggesting that one political leader would use another
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: political leader for political interests.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: No, never, never, I mean seriously though, I mean, look
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: a look at look at that photo. If it was
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, you get the hand you'd get the handshake
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: You would not get a photo graf.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: Don't you remember I ended a picture of himself with
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump smiling like.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: A selfie welfie, deeparate selfie holding the hand up of victory, like.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Anthony albaneas he only put out a selfie out of
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: desperation because you've got a meeting with Donald Trump. And
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: then so he thought I better put a selfie so
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: that Australia I finally got a.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: Meeting with desperately wanted to get a meeting with Donald Trump.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: We look cool like they desperately wanted to get a
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: meeting with.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: Wonder to play Shag Mary Kill with Donald Trump.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: Thousands over to the Mighty Daily Time.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I think Donald Trump's got a few people.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump to go like, I get the shag. I
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: know what's this marrying. Let's go to the Mighty Daily
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: Telegraph now and look at what they've done. They see
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: that Daily coach Laurie Daily a miracle win in Game
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: three of State of Origin in sun Corps Stadium where
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: you are statistically almost guaranteed not to win a decider.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: But he has beaten the cauldron and the boys have
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: come home with of course the great Nathan Cleary leading
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: the way to victory. What an absolutely superb effort. Anyway.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: Also on the Daily Telegraphs front page, we'll all pay
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: for white Elephant z res. They're the renewable energy zones
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: of course by Peter Jenkins, gun reporter, exclusive good friend
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: of mine. Of course, we go way back angry farmers
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: at war with the Men's government over a mega renewable
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: energy project. Of warning, the battle threatens to spill over
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: and impact Sydney household budgets. In cattle country around the
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: Upper Hunter and New England region, locals are fuming over
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: plans to run transmission lines on steroids. Why would you
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: put a transmission line on steroids through some of New
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: South Wales's most productive agricultural land. More than three hundred
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: kilometers of eighty meter tall transmission towers proposed for a
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: New England renewal Energy zone, where wind, soul and battery
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: installations would have generated energy sent via the lines to
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: an existing power station and out across the state. Eighty
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: meters was also the distance that that incredible run for
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: that try halfway through the second half from the England
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: forward from the Brisbane forward line right back to the Blues.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: Touch amazing and they found out afterwards that it might
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: have been a knock on that the other guy said,
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: oh no, I didn't touch it, and so the ref
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: just took his word for it.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: It's a nice way of distracting from how the Min's
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: government wants to take away all this prime agricultural lengths.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I just read it on the front of
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: your newspaper.
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: Joe, No, I couldn't be. He's never done it's genetically
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: incapable of doing anything wrong.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll see about that on the front of the
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: courier mail tomorrow. I mean, this is a it's a
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: six story, but it's an excellent story. It's his judge
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: is interventioned in six assault case. Five minutes of shame.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Shout out to this judge. I know sometimes we complain
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: about the judiciary being out of touch.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: This guy gets it.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: A judge has sensationally stopped proceedings to make the courtroom
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: sit in silence for five minutes after a barrister tried
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: to talk down a man's sex act with a child
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: by saying it only lasted that long. Acting Judge Ryan
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Hadrick interrupted defense barrister Damien Gates as he told the
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: court how his thirty five year old client only had
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: sex with a fourteen year old girl for five minutes
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: before realizing it was wrong and stopping. Calling it quote
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: poor impulse control, Judge Hadrick immediately stopped proceedings, ordering the
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: court to remain silent for five minutes to feel the
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: gravity of those moments. Quote, just sit down for a second,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: mister Handrick said to mister Gates, in fact, sit down
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: for five minutes. That wow, he's only an acting judge.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Make this guy the chief justice.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: You know when you hear something like that, the gravity
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: of what he did given this case, I agree.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know he should be promoted. He deserves a
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: promoter because there's not a lot of this thing judges
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: out there right now with the Kahunas. To do something
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: on this scale.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's brilliant.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: All right, after the break, we'll get into some of
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: the weirder and wackiest stories, which is to round ourselves
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: out on a brisk.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Right. Oh, it's time for.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: The day.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: A couple of weeks ago, we brought you the story
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: of a chap in Hertfordshire in England who was being
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: searched the police were looking for him, and that they
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: found him in a shopping bag.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Almost now, I don't know if there's something.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: In the water over there, because we found an even
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: better one.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: This guy is in Kent. Guess where he was hiding
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: when the cops found him.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Hey, get out, get out?
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: What are you doing? Alright? And maybe given accused of
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: abuse by a woman. He made a complaint to police,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: so he thought the best thing to do with the
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: coppers game looking for him with me to hide the fring.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: Know how cold it is in there.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: I have to say, it's very chilling footage it is.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: That was that was great?
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: You thought that guy was stupid? How about this guy? No?
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: So a cattle herder was injured after a sub adult
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: asiatic lioness. I'm glad they put in that it was
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: a sub adult asiatic lion.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: You thought asiatic was but you know the lioness is there.
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: They're scarier and angrier than the lions. Lays around looking
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: good doing their hair. Anyway, have a look at this footage.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: This is absolutely just bonkers. The video went viral, showing
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: the big cat gripping the man's arm in its jaws
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: as he lies on the ground while bystanders try to
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: drive the animal away. He was eventually shifted to a
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: hospital in Bavnagar for treatment and Forest Department personnel was
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: stationed there and officials said the main the man was
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: out of danger but looking well, he's trying to relax it.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Half an hour, just go come on, half an hour.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: The curry that's that's crazy as being in their position
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: because one snap is gone.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Well, I know, and find a woman on top of them,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: but not in that all right, I.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: Think you're thinking of cougars.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Maylem knows all about that. Now.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: Look, if you want to talk about nutters of the night,
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: have a look at this in New York. Of course,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Taylor Swift just got married over the weekend at Madison
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Square Gardens.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Well, a New York artist.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Has collected rubbish from the rubbish bins outside of Madison
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Square Gardens to sell it off, claiming it's some sort
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: of memorabilia.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: I have a look at this.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: He has sold a He's picked up cigarettes, a plastic cap,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: an ovulation test kit, a left airport, straws, AirPods, straws,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: pieces of rainbow fan and even utensils. And he's selling
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: it online for twenty five dollars ago with the titled
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: pocket garbage. Just married and guess what It's sold within
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: hours He's made a profit from the rubbish bins outside
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: of Madison Square Garden.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: I have just found under the table here, right, have
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: a look at this ovulation. No, no, no, this is from
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: a tea bag that James McPherson has used one.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Even you can sell that for profit, Oh, one hundred percent.
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: I'll thieve you're a hundred bucks right now.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: There you go, one hundred bucks. Done, Well done, Joe.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Mark you for joining us this week on the Late Debate,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: and thank you for joining us as well. Up next
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: is James Morre hosting Greta Pannery Show good Night