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90 Day Fiancé Season 12 Episode 20 Tell All Part 2 (My part 2) with Matt Marr of Reality Gays · Vanity Farah with Chris Farah

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone. I am Chris Farah, and you are
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  Speaker 1: listening to Vanity Fair or watching on my YouTube as
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  Speaker 1: we pick up our discussion of 90 Day Fiancé, of course,
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  Speaker 1: season 12, episode 20. This is the tell-all part two,
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  Speaker 1: my part two, with my best friend and yours, Maddie
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  Speaker 1: Mar of Reality Gaze. Hi.
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  Speaker 2: Chris Farah, I love you so much. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if it's good or not healthy that every time I
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  Speaker 2: hear your voice, I want a glass of really good wine.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that means a lot. I had a friend once
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  Speaker 1: tell me that every time they heard my voice, they
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  Speaker 1: had to go to the bathroom.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I don't know how to take that one.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, so I'm like comforting or a sort
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  Speaker 1: of release for you.
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  Speaker 2: Or you give people the shits.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Fight or flight. You're so scared. Yeah. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: also glad to keep you regular. So....
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  Speaker 2: Whatever it is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, it should be like Jamie Lee Curtis
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  Speaker 1: should do commercials, like advertising how great I am in
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  Speaker 1: her life. Like ensure, you know. Yeah. She calls me
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  Speaker 1: every morning.
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  Speaker 2: Every morning.
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  Speaker 1: All right, my loves. Listen, this is where we exactly
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  Speaker 1: where we are at.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: They've already done the first day of filming, honey, and
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  Speaker 1: they are getting their jollies ready. Yes. They are knocking
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  Speaker 1: them back, honey, at the hotel bar that TLC has
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  Speaker 1: set them all up at so they can just stumble
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  Speaker 1: down to their very tiny dorm-like, almost like they're on
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  Speaker 1: a cruise-style small-ass.
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  Speaker 2: Rooms, right?
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Where's the porthole?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Now... As I've mentioned, they have their splintered groups and
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  Speaker 1: they seem to arrive at the hotel like at vastly
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  Speaker 1: different times. So at some points I'm like, are they
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  Speaker 1: staggered even more? Like is someone being like, you guys
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  Speaker 1: can't go up yet. The first round is like getting acclimated.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Cause it feels like they really do
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  Speaker 1: arrive like 20 minutes late. And like, did one of
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  Speaker 1: them take a different route in New York? Like was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'll take seventh. We'll see who gets there first. And
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  Speaker 1: one person really fucking lost.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, I took the wrong train. I was up,
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  Speaker 2: you know. I was in Flushing.
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  Speaker 1: Are you with the nanny?
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  Speaker 2: Are you.
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  Speaker 1: Fran Vine? She was working up in Flushing and crushing queens.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right? I've been watching the US Open, so the tennis,
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  Speaker 2: so I think Flushing's just on the back of my mind.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. I wish that I just didn't have.
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  Speaker 2: That was a less gay reason.
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  Speaker 1: I know. Also, yeah, much... Yeah, very modern.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly not.
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  Speaker 1: Someone who's stuck in the goddamn.
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  Speaker 2: 90s with all their pop culture references. No, I should
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  Speaker 2: be shamed because as a homosexual man that was in
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  Speaker 2: middle school in the 90s, when I hear the word
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  Speaker 2: Flushing Queens, the nanny needs to be the first thought.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Never again. Never again will the U.S. Open take precedence.
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  Speaker 1: Sports is for straight young men.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Are very strong lesbian women.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I don't mean to be– that sounded
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  Speaker 1: so gendered. Well, you know, I'm joking anyway. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: let me tell you. So God bless. As we know,
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  Speaker 1: Thomas and Paola had had a conversation where Paola was like,
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  Speaker 1: please be fucking normal. Please, please, please. let me just
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  Speaker 1: have these friends, please. I have no friends. You're so
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  Speaker 1: weird sometimes. I just want to like, have a good night.
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  Speaker 1: I want to hang out and have fun. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to have Mallory, who I like. Be weird to
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  Speaker 1: me because you're being weird to her. Honestly, fucked up
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  Speaker 1: asshole husband. But like, it's just, can you be chill?
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  Speaker 1: And Thomas is like, fine. So while that's happening, Katie
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  Speaker 1: has also entered with Shay, Annabelle, Josh, right? Marissa and Edward. Now,
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  Speaker 1: we all know that she has been put to task
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  Speaker 1: for drinking in a way that feels like people still
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  Speaker 1: are dancing around the idea of asking her if she
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  Speaker 1: thinks she's an alcoholic. That's the question where I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: how come no one's been like, babe, do you think
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  Speaker 1: that you have a problem with alcohol? And do you think,
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  Speaker 1: do you want to change that? But instead they're kind
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  Speaker 1: of like, don't drink or just drink whatever you want.
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  Speaker 1: And it's hard because as a woman, you have to
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  Speaker 1: have like, you know, the space for people, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to treat women like accountable, full functioning adults. But Katie
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  Speaker 1: isn't that kind of person. And at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: people don't want to like overstep, but also she acts
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  Speaker 1: like a child. So it's a very kind of like
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  Speaker 1: weird situation where people don't know how to deal with it.
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  Speaker 1: She gets to the bar and she's like, who wants
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  Speaker 1: shots now?
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  Speaker 2: Shay is like, Hey, someone say my go word.
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  Speaker 1: Do deers have heads for me to take? Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, yes, I do. So she does a shot,
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  Speaker 1: and then she does the thing that we know that
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  Speaker 1: she is going to probably also want, which is a
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  Speaker 1: drink to actual drink.
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  Speaker 2: She looks so dumb sitting there with that lime just
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  Speaker 2: in her mouth going, just kind of staring at everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. While that's happening, Marissa, you can feel, is in
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  Speaker 1: her mind just like, these fucking... trash people. Like Marissa
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  Speaker 1: has an idea of like, okay, well, why don't we
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  Speaker 1: all go look at the famous New York store, like
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  Speaker 1: New York skyline that you podunk people never see, but
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  Speaker 1: I live and you know.
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  Speaker 2: She's just, yeah. She's thinking, Oh God, my mother's going
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  Speaker 2: to watch this. Uh-huh. And then she's going to berate
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  Speaker 2: me while she, while my mother drinks Sauvignon Blanc. Let's
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  Speaker 2: be honest. Probably. I feel like she likes a white Bordeaux. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think like, I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: Mad at a white Bordeaux. Maybe Chablis. It's probably fancy
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  Speaker 2: wine that's not– I don't know. Maybe she's got a
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  Speaker 2: good wine taste.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe she has a younger, you know, like, wine member
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  Speaker 1: club situation that she's getting Sancerre.
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  Speaker 2: Like, you know, like– I'm not mad at a Sancerre.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, boutique Sancerre.
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  Speaker 2: But it's always a white, don't you think?
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  Speaker 1: Oh! Yeah, no. I mean, and I mean that in
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of ways.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's why she's, you know.
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  Speaker 2: The why is the metaphor. Yeah, let's go.
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  Speaker 1: So, obviously, while that's happening, Mallory and Rosh have had,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a sit-down with Thomas and Paola where it
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  Speaker 1: was like Rosh didn't fucking– apologize for his asshole prank
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  Speaker 1: that like made Thomas have to stand up for himself.
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  Speaker 1: And then he overdid that to the community that makes
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  Speaker 1: Thomas look weird, even though it's like a fucked up
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  Speaker 1: situation to just rub your shitty. I mean, to, to
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  Speaker 1: make someone's life intentionally bad is a weird move for
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  Speaker 1: an adult period.
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  Speaker 2: Especially when you, you first meet them. Remember they don't
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  Speaker 2: have in, it's not like they are, Palling around and
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  Speaker 2: they have this relationship. They've been friends for a while. No,
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  Speaker 2: you just met the guy. Yeah. But you already don't
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  Speaker 2: like the guy.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And you already want to like emasculate him and say
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  Speaker 2: things like he's not, you say things like he's not
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  Speaker 2: a real man and all that kind of just toxic
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  Speaker 2: heteronormativity bullshit. And so it's, yeah, I just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I call it bullying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Thomas did not call it bullying. He even made a
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  Speaker 2: point to say in the interview, like, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: called it bullying, but so he talks about it, but yeah, I, um, yeah, man,
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  Speaker 2: what we really love this guy, Rosh. I mean, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know.
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  Speaker 2: Thomas apologized as you brought up very, he did not
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  Speaker 2: want to apologize, but he just did it for the
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  Speaker 2: good of But the good of the community.
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  Speaker 1: And then Raj was like, I could tell he wasn't sincere.
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  Speaker 1: He just apologized because Paula made him. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you didn't fucking apologize, period, asshole. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think Mallory and Raj are going to have a
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  Speaker 2: tough marriage, actually. We didn't really see it as, again,
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: But now that you see them both, I went, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you both are stubborn as hell. Really stubborn. And we're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about her and her secrets. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Which is why, I guess I was like, why this?
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  Speaker 1: Couldn't we have seen some of that? Like that must
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  Speaker 1: have reared its head. Like there's just no way.
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  Speaker 2: Were they performing for the cameras? Were they showing the
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  Speaker 2: good side of themselves on camera? And then in real life,
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  Speaker 2: they're both just like all about, it feels like Raj
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  Speaker 2: and Mallory are people who don't want to get it right.
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  Speaker 2: They want to be right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's wow. That is, that's really, really mature.
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  Speaker 2: It's really, really deep. Brene Brown said that, not me. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Never mind.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, never mind.
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  Speaker 2: You're nothing.
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  Speaker 1: I'll get Brene. Maybe she can do part three. She'll
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  Speaker 1: talk to me about these people. No, I just love you. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So at this point, we have a really, really sad
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  Speaker 1: part of this story. Like, this is really fucking sad.
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  Speaker 1: Edward wants babies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And Marissa is a controlling person. And she certainly doesn't
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  Speaker 1: want to hold them in her body anymore. And she...
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  Speaker 1: wants her money for whatever she wants her money for,
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  Speaker 1: you know, which is– her business, but it's also interesting
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  Speaker 1: because we're supposed to believe that she's also really, really rich.
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  Speaker 1: But sometimes we're also like, are you though? Because like,
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  Speaker 1: why are you literally like, why are you teaching bar? Like,
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  Speaker 1: why are you, why, you know, so many, and then
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  Speaker 1: also why don't you have like any serving where like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like, how do you, how, like, and so
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  Speaker 1: we obviously know, we talked about the fact that in
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  Speaker 1: part one, Edward is having a bad relationship with Michael,
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  Speaker 1: who is, of course, Marissa's ex, who looks great with
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  Speaker 1: a hat on, horrible without. And he is the baseball
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  Speaker 1: coach of, I'm assuming, I think, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it's Cole and Derek. I feel like it's Derek's, maybe,
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  Speaker 1: the older child.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't clear.
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  Speaker 1: And Edward is a baseball fanatic.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and he is from a country where baseball is,
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  Speaker 2: it's the way, like, People from the Philippines can sing
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  Speaker 2: when you're from the DR in baseball. It's like it's
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  Speaker 2: ingrained in the culture, and there's so many professional baseball
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  Speaker 2: players that are from the DR.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. So I guess at the same time, there are
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  Speaker 1: certain protocols when it comes to– I'm assuming sports things.
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  Speaker 1: Like having said this, I've never been in a sport,
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  Speaker 1: but right– like– If you're in a play, if you
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  Speaker 1: have a director, you're not supposed to give other actors notes.
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  Speaker 1: That's like a thing. You let the director do it.
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  Speaker 1: It would be overstepping to watch them in a rehearsal
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  Speaker 1: and be like, hey, I think you should move over there.
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  Speaker 1: And you're not the director, right? The director would be like,
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  Speaker 1: excuse me? Get the fuck out of here.
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  Speaker 2: It's very different in sports. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Is it? Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I can take it from growing up with it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: My dad was a baseball coach.
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  Speaker 1: Basically, that is what happened, though. It felt like. And
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  Speaker 1: or maybe just off the sidelines, Edward was giving notes,
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  Speaker 1: maybe came up on the field and said something, and Michael,
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  Speaker 1: as a power play, took it to be really upsetting.
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  Speaker 1: And then where Michael also is a fucking asshole, seemed
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  Speaker 1: to lose his shit in front of the kids, which
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  Speaker 1: is there's no reason to do that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's so funny because that happens so much. It feels
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  Speaker 1: like there's so many videos of people doing that. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: what a great Testimony to someone isn't emotionally mature enough
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  Speaker 1: to handle kids or whatnot if you can't handle your
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  Speaker 1: reactions to such things. He should be immediately taken away
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  Speaker 1: from a sports team if he can't just deal with
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  Speaker 1: an adult coming up and giving a note. If that
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  Speaker 1: is so hard for you to deal with, this is
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  Speaker 1: not for you.
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  Speaker 2: It's also a little different, too, in sports because parents...
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure parents work with their kids on stuff at home.
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  Speaker 2: When I would play sports, I'd have a coach. My
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  Speaker 2: dad would never come out on the mound, but he
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  Speaker 2: might say things like, when we're in the dugout, my
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  Speaker 2: dad would come into the dugout and say, Matthew, remember
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  Speaker 2: we talked about doing this and this. When you're out there,
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  Speaker 2: be sure to be whatever baseball shit he told me.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, daddy! But so like you– there's that.
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  Speaker 2: And so there's– so I just want to say it's
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  Speaker 2: like in– unless you have Mama Rose for a parent.
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  Speaker 2: Like my parents never did anything like at home like
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  Speaker 2: helping me practice theater except for maybe a line or two.
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  Speaker 2: Like I don't think your dad was ever like, Chris,
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  Speaker 2: I really want to work with you on that box
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  Speaker 2: step you were doing. Maybe he did. No, he did not.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he would. But in sports, I feel like because–
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  Speaker 2: the parents can get more involved in that and work
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  Speaker 2: with their own practice of their kids with stuff like that. So,
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  Speaker 2: and none of that matters because I do think, I
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  Speaker 2: think this Michael guy is a fucking monster. I think
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  Speaker 2: this guy's such an asshole and say what you want
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  Speaker 2: about Marissa. She was horrible this season. And at least
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  Speaker 2: I will say in these tell-alls, We'll see. But then
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  Speaker 2: she says stuff like what she's going to do. But
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  Speaker 2: she does seem to have a little bit of reflection
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  Speaker 2: of like, ugh, that was a bad look for me.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see if that actually changes. But I do feel
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  Speaker 2: for her in the fact that I went, oh, man,
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  Speaker 2: you spent years living with this motherfucker who fucking berate
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  Speaker 2: you probably every single day. And that, to me, helps
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  Speaker 2: me add up. Not as an excuse. Edward doesn't deserve it.
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  Speaker 2: and I don't like how she treats him like an
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  Speaker 2: island boy who's there to do housework. That is there.
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  Speaker 2: But I think it definitely is informed by this immense
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  Speaker 2: anxiety and just constant state of fear this woman lives in.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder, the day that the divorce was finalized from Michael,
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  Speaker 1: I cannot imagine the celebration that Joanne had. Like, I
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  Speaker 1: can't imagine the magic that she drank.
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  Speaker 2: No answer to shit for the first time in two years.
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  Speaker 1: She called me.
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  Speaker 2: That's a callback, everyone. Now that's a callback.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, like, she must have been so... Like, just
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  Speaker 1: so fucking happy. Like, she must have hated him so much. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: he told us that they hated him. And they, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she must have been like, I cannot believe that my daughter...
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  Speaker 1: you know, wanted to rebel so much that she married
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  Speaker 1: this like poor ass working at class ass, like asshole,
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  Speaker 1: you know, whatever. I don't think those people are assholes,
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  Speaker 1: but this is Joanne talking, you know, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: mechanic hand, you know, whatever she wants to say. And
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  Speaker 1: she probably was so disappointed and the resentment that he
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  Speaker 1: must've felt against that, that probably did nothing for his ego.
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  Speaker 1: That probably built so much toxic darkness. The minute, of course, that,
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  Speaker 1: She was free from him. I mean, Joanne must have,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, must have run naked around the woods.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what she did.
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  Speaker 2: She might have had red wine for the first time
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  Speaker 2: just to feel free.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God, yeah. The blood, the blood, the blood.
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  Speaker 1: She was like... Okay, so God bless. Here we are. Edward, however,
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  Speaker 1: is incredibly stuck in... Okay, Edward is stuck in a
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  Speaker 1: corner because now he has a shitty relationship with Michael.
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  Speaker 1: And so he can't... what he feels like give the
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  Speaker 1: open hearted love and sort of like fatherly parent kind
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  Speaker 1: of relationship that feels okay in his heart to these boys,
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  Speaker 1: because there's this level of the, their actual father hates me.
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  Speaker 1: And they, he got mad at me for giving notes
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  Speaker 1: in a baseball setting. Like what, what are, what is
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  Speaker 1: my ability and capability to like share this parentalness with this,
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  Speaker 1: with these kids?
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  Speaker 2: And it's not said, but we know it's there. And
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  Speaker 2: Michael probably talks shit constantly about Edward to his sons
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  Speaker 2: and pressures his sons to be assholes to him and
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  Speaker 2: to not bond with him. So it is, I do
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  Speaker 2: understand Edward's point where he wants to cut him out 100%.
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  Speaker 2: That's not possible. But I understand why he's saying is
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  Speaker 2: that Edward, I think Edward thought, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: have children on my own, but there's these two young boys,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm going to be like a good stepdad for them.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really excited. And he's not able to even have
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  Speaker 2: that chance because Michael's taking it away from him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's poisoned his sons against him. Derek will just
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: be like, shut up. And unfortunately, Marissa has, unfortunately, not
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: the sensitivity– To hold space for that. And so when
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: she admits that that's what her son does to Edward sometimes,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I wish that someone, and maybe it almost feels like Aisha,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: was like, what do you say to your son to
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: make sure that they don't disrespect him again?
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, what are you saying, Marissa? What
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: are you saying to your son? What are you saying
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: to Michael? Right. That.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Because unfortunately, these are your children. These are the men
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: that you brought in. And you have to help bridge
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: these moments. And you need to be able to right
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: a certain ship if you know that your shitty ex-husband
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: is poisoning your son's minds against Edward. And in your presence,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: they seem to not want to respect this man who
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: you want to share a life with. You have to No,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: he can't parent your kids. You have to. He can't
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: tell them, what do you mean, don't tell me to
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: shut up, you asshole. You can't be like, go sit
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: in your fucking room and there's no Roblox for you
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: or whatever the fuck it is. He can't do that.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: You have to. You have to.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: So he's crying. She feels really bad for him, although
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: she also doesn't want to have a child. She definitely
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to be like, you know what, I'll make
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: this happen. She's like, let's just talk about this later.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: He's like, okay, but you know, I'm going to stay
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: out here. Meanwhile, Rosh and Mallory have been like somewhat
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: stuck in this frame and they didn't know how to
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: handle that conversation. So Rosh is like looking at his phone.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: He's like, huh? He's like, can I leave? I'm cold.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, you can leave. It must be awkward.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Mallory's like, so they do slink off. Katie's continuing to drink.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: She now orders an espresso martini, which feels like a,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: like she, the thing about Katie is that she'll drink whatever.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: She's kind of like me. One time I used to–
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I remember when I was really young, I would just
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: walk around and try and finish people's drinks. I was
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: really gross, whatever. But she's someone who will do that.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: She's like the bucket at a wine tasting. Anyone can
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: throw it in, and she'll drink it down.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I think she will.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: A spit bucket.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Which is probably somebody's kink. Do you like espresso martinis? I, I,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I have them infrequently. I do. Usually I'm having a
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: drink at night. And so to have an espresso martini
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: means I'm going to be up.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And so then I'm having a drink and then I'm,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: you know, then we'll have to take a trazzy when
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I go to bed, a trazodone. And I normally don't
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: want to take any. I just, I normally have fine sleep.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: It's like a whole thing. So now if it's like
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: maybe a midday morning, Sure. I like them when they're–
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I like the ones that are very frothy and have
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: a little bit of foam on them. That's what they're
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: supposed to be. Well, but sometimes you get like it's
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: just like coffee vodka. You know what I mean? They
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: don't have the froth as much. But I like them.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I think they're good. Do you like them?
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I also am the same. Like I can drink my espresso,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: you know, pre, I would say– Usually like 11.30, I
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: try and, you know, keep it before then. And I
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: like it, you know, with milk. No, I don't do
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: alcohol mixed with that. But it's funny because Mito orders alcohol,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: which I was like, okay. Oh, okay. You will drink alcohol.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: It isn't no for sure. You know, if we were
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: just like following all the letters.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: All the things are just the ones we want. Sure.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Because, you know, if he's a virgin, he was following
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: that one.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: So.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: He's got to live in LA. That's one of the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: rules too, right?
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Well. Is alcohol a rule in LA?
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: You can do a lot. Now he's your neighbor.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. I do want to talk about that.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Are they really moving to LA?
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: They're moving to West Hollywood.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I know, but really?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know. When they filmed this tell-all, I don't
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: think that was decided.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: She is so New Orleans. She loves New Orleans. I
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: just cannot imagine her saying yes to that.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I don't think they can afford to live in L.A.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Like she has a good job, but she probably doesn't
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: make a ton. And he's clearly not going to be working.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: But but he probably tells her, look, we're going to
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: move to L.A. And within a month, I'm going to
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: be in a movie with Brad Pitt because that's how
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: it works.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I have someone like me who does have old references.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: No one has older references than him.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: No one. No one.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: At this point, I mean, I think that Mito's probably
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: star meter is higher than Brad Pitt's. Okay, just kidding.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I'm dead. Okay, so, you know, as we know, she's drinking. Okay,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: so Katie is drinking different things. She orders an espresso martini.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: As I said, you know, whatnot, that's fine. Aisha clocks
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: her at this point. And, you know, Katie, I think,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: hates that people are clocking her. At the same time, bitch,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: you know. you're not invisible to be clocked.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and also, you know, I brought up to, uh,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Katie is she's too, sorry. So I'm getting my lip
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: gloss out. Um, Katie, uh, is used to enablers. She's
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: used to her friends. Her like, Oh, Mike, she's going
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: to make out with somebody. She's used to that. And
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: now she's around people were like, like Allison said, like, oh,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I thought that was, I thought that was a thing.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I thought, but this is a thing. I thought she
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: was faking it. Like they're seeing, oh no, this is
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: not healthy behavior. And so that's why I think leads
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: to her breakdown because she's just being called out for
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: her ridiculous behavior.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's, it is like a narcissist. I mean, she's,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know. God bless her.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, addiction and narcissism or self-involvement go hand in hand.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Not that, And a lot of people that are in
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: addiction are very self-involved. That's just part of it. So,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, she checks every single box of someone who
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: is an alcoholic.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, just... it's disgusting to have multiple kinds of alcohol.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Like it just is literally disgust. Like it's just a
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: disgusting thing, you know, like it's just, no, I just,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: there's not a lot of people that can just be
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: like beer, wine, tequila, vodka. Like it's just, it's, that
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: is what's.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: No, even in Palm Springs tonight, like I'm really torn
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: because I want to sit by that pool and I
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: want to maybe have like, I want to maybe start
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: with a couple of vodka spritzes and then I want
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: to move on, probably do a white wine. Cause we're
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: out in the sun.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Good white. But after dinner tonight, we're going to a
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: tiki lounge. That's all like rum. And I'm like, what
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: do I do?
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, you're talking over, I think, a
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: course of like eight hours.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: This is true. This is true. This is true.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just also like, There's no rhyme or reason.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: She's ordering different drinks from the same bar, you know? Like,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: it's just.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no rhyme.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: You're going to different places. Yeah, I don't know. It's
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: just like, that's just interesting to me. I don't know.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: That's weird. So then, of course, Allison comes, like you said,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and we're like, oh, are you going to be a shit-stirrer? But, like,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: not really. She, like, comes in a modest mock-neck, you know, like,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: turtleneck situation. I want to be like, do you come
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: to New York a lot? I feel like she wants
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: to have fun in New York. But she seems almost... Like,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: she seems like the most mom... Tone down Allison we've
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: ever seen.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I'm calling it now. What? I said it on our show. Uh-huh.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And look, y'all. I make good predictions. I said Debbie
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: was going to be on The Single Life. It happened.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I said they need to make a 90-day Florida fuck-around
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: show with all the Florida cast members. It happened.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you now. Allison will be on The Single Life.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I think she's good TV. And I think they're going
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: to have Allison and they can intermix it. With Shay
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: and Annabelle drama.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: She lives right there. Same problem. Single life.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: And I think she'd be great. I think she's going
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: to do single life. And then she's going to get
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: on Fuck for Love. Or Hunt for Love. It's a
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: whole thing, y'all.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: The Fuck Fuck for Love. It's like the lesson I
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: had to learn is that you can't. Oh, boy. Okay,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: so for some, like, the idea of Allison and Katie
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: together also is LOL because they are so vastly different
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: in their people. Katie's like, you're hot. And they are
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: both hot. But, like, Allison's like, oh, yeah, you're cute too.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: You're cute too.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Love your hair. And Katie's like, you want to make out? Yeah,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Katie's ready to make out with Paula. She's kind of
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: ready to make out with Allison, you know, like. I mean,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I like the fact that she's bi. I know we
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: never talk about the fact that she's bi, though. And
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I only want to say that because if her idea was,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I want to be able to make out because I
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: want to be able to experience different people and you
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: are just one person, Josh, I kind of wish she
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: would layer, and you're only a man. Because then it
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: would give me a little more juice to believe why
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: she feels like she needs to do this or express
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: this way, you know? Yeah.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish she would. Because did she ever say,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I'm bi?
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: No.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: She never said it.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Or did she?
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know. No, I was genuinely asking. I don't know.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: But clearly, she's something on the sexuality scale. Because I
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: also feel like that would, right now, she seems like, hey, Josh,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: we just got married. We need to have an open
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: marriage because I want more dick. Yeah. And Josh is like,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, but Katie, I've I can provide you
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: with dick or whatever, even though he's not, but it's
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: very different when, if it's, if someone's like, Hey, I'm
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: going to marry you. You're a man. And I, I
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: need to go. Like, I need, I need an intimate
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: relationship with a woman. Like I need tits and guys like,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: got it. That's right. Not be that for you. I
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: think that would change the conversation a little bit. It's like,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: so I wonder if they're part of it that way.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that at all is it or if
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: it's not. Because the other side of it is no,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and it really is just like a need for attention.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: And the dopamine hit of a flirt slash hunt slash
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: immediate get out.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: She would make out with a gecko if it said
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: yes to her.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I had to like, I mean, I couldn't, my
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: favorite part of the tell all, I had a lot
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: of favorite parts of the tell all part one. But
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: when she was like this part, I still have the pictures.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: She's like, Thomas is gross. He's like old. I would
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: not make out with him. He's like a man child. Well,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I'd have to be shit faced. She switched. She is like,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. And we're going to see, I guess, in part,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the next part, her comfort Thomas. She was like, he's gross.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I would not do it. I would never make out
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: with him. I would have to be shit-faced to make
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: out with him, which we are like, oh, then you
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: are going to make out with him.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Because that's how you– Then you are because you're shit-faced. Yeah.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Like she wouldn't even make out with Thomas. So like, yeah,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: it is that. And she knows it.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Okay. So they have like a little back and forth.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Allison obviously clocks Katie as being not for her, so
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: she tries to honestly leave her and then talk shit
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: about Katie to other people. She's like, that girl, like
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: you said. But her dad– because Shay's kind of there,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Shay has a poignant moment with Edward. Edward, having had
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: a conversation with Marissa about wanting to have kids and
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: how that's not really, you know, something that she's either
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: solving in the moment, nor is she even going to
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: give him like a respite for his interaction with Michael.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: She's like, you're stupid for even bringing up the fact
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: that I, you know, can't talk to Michael. And it
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: is a little black and white. Like I said, he
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: can't truly ask her never to talk to Michael or
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: cut him out of her life, but whatever, you know, amount.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Of call him an idiot. And you don't have to
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: say like, that's where she gets. She, that's where she,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: she is really, what couples don't understand is she is
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: really unaware and she's really bad at fighting. I think couples, couples, especially,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I remember most couples come to couples therapy too late,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: but I always think like a good question to ask
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: someone when you're starting to get a little bit more,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: not like the first date or anything. Maybe it's like,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: you know, when you're like three or four months in
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: and you've, everything's great to be like, Hey, when you
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: get angry, in a relationship, how do you fight? Because
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: couples try, they're like, we want to try not to fight.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, fights are going to happen. Disagreements. What
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: if you learn, how do we fight? Well, how do
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: we then communicate well in a fight? And he is
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: trying to do that with her and trying to change
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and adapt, but she goes into this wounded child stuff.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: If you're an idiot, you're stupid. You're into the name calling.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Cause once you get into name calling, In a disagreement,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: you're done. Did her mom do that to her? 100%.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: People only speak what they've heard. She has heard idiot
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: her whole life. No one comes up with that, especially
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: when you're angry. That's like that reptilian brain fires and
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: you kind of go back to those things you learned
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: so long ago. Yeah. So I definitely think that I
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: get it when I get really pissed off. I either
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: become my mother who I get very quiet and just
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: kind of just really quiet and contemplative because I'm thinking
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: of how do I murder you? Or if I'm just
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: if I get I'll have a blow up like my
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: father and just cuss like a mother. I'm much better
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: at that because I've worked on my shit. And I
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: don't think Marissa's really probably ever worked on her shit.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: No. No. It just, like, sits and fuels a certain, like, energy.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: And she just, like, you know, continually, you know, goes
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: to bar and then does micro-movements, you know, to fatigue
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: certain muscles. Okay. So, Shay... had brought up on stage,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: like you guys can also adopt. And it was like
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: a kind of passing comment that no one really like,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I guess unpacked. And so later on Edwards at the
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: bar and Shay's like, Hey buddy, uh, I just wanted
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: to like talk to you about the, the kid thing.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I have a twin and me and my sister were
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: both adopted. We're like, Oh, Oh yeah. Okay. I didn't
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: know that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: You know, that's what I thought. He said, Jake completely
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: got that wrong in our podcast. He thought his sister was,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: His twin sister was adopted. I was like, this doesn't
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: make sense. But he was on a rant, so I
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: just let him go. But that makes sense.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Wait, so he thought that two twins were born and.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Like Sophie's choice. It was parent trapped. Yes, Sophie's choice.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I guess they found the twin in like a back swamp.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Camp.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: And they're like, whose baby is this? And they didn't know.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: There wasn't DNA testing then. So then, uh, you.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Know, but there were, but there were deer heads all
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: over the swamp land. And so they knew probably. Yes.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Great grandmother, uh, Esther Jean knew this, you know, knew
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: some woman whose name was, you know, you know, Connie Jean.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: And she knew that Connie had had a baby and
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Esther knew, and then they called LaDonna Jean and then
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: suddenly they're reunited and it feels so good.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it can work out for Edward, is what
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Shay's like.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: This is a sweet moment, actually.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: It was lovely. It was lovely. And yeah, like, Shay's
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: also like, you know, I also feel like as someone
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: who's been in a relationship, if someone I loved wanted something,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I would think that'd be a really good option. And yeah,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: so I thought it was a really beautiful moment. And
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I think that I'm happy that Edward had... Like a
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: man to kind of talk about that with. It felt
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: small and intimate in what can be and is an
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: absolute shit show.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: But let's go from two men having an intimate moment
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: talking about something vulnerable to a crowd of men having
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: an intimate moment talking about something even more vulnerable, which
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: is that Josh doesn't eat Katie's pussy up. And it's
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: a problem.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: And it's a problem.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: The men are like, Josh, one thing we can tell
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: about her is that she's insatiable. The painting of Katie's
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: sexuality is just a very interesting way.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: They've called her a whore.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what were you going to say?
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: No, I was just going to say they've called her
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: a whore and you said it. So yeah, she's definitely
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: because you bring up She brought it up, but you
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: made me think about it more just because she's with Katie.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I'm like, ugh. But the difference between Katie and Shay
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: is pretty, because when you really think about it, in
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: a way, it's even more gross that Shay is like
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: an adult with children, with grandchildren, like with ex-wives. And
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: for him to still be living this life, it's pretty irresponsible.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Whereas Katie, you're like, Yeah, your life's a shit show,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: but you're also 29 years old and you're young and
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: like you don't have kids. And that's when you can
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: fuck around a little bit more and it hurts a
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: lot less people.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: It's funny because we all can be like, well, this
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: person surely shouldn't have kids. But the idea that Josh
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: finds that this person is like marriage material and like
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: mom material or whatnot seems to me like another question
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: for Josh is, do you feel like you are in
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: love with the idea, Katie? Or do you feel like
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: you have two feet on God's green earth and have
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: seen what we've seen and can to our faces say
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: that this person respects or loves you enough for you
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: to marry and have a family with?
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like Josh doesn't get to the root
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: of what I would love him to ask Katie, and
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: we don't get those questions. And nor do people really just, like,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: press him. Like, and that, I think, is what is
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: mildly the frustration of watching them as audience members. It
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: feels like a constant frustration that we don't get to
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: know what we really want to know and why.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: That's a good point.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I do have some pictures. Okay, so as
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I said, Josh is like, oh, you know, like, okay, well, yeah,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I have to eat her out more. Okay, you know,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: and people are like, yeah, you know, that's what happens.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: And this is what, it's like, Edward says, if you don't,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: someone else will. And then Shay's like, and nowadays, I mean,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: you got to eat out everyone. One night stands, fiancés, girlfriends,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: like wives, like everyone expects to be eaten out.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: At Barista La Cologne.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Every once in a while. Yeah.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: It's nice.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: It's nice. These are the stills I took of Thomas
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: and Mito's face listening. I don't know why we can't
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: have anyone be like, speaking of Mito, what do you
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: think on the subject? I would– yeah, Mito gets– Mito
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: looks down. I need to be like, Mito, does Mito
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: eat out, Debbie? If we're just going to talk about it,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: if we're going to be so– because literally, Edward's like,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Marissa flew to the DR once a month for me
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: to eat her out and slash have sex. Yeah.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, that– because he– look, he's not wrong.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: And that it's not all about that, but a lot
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: of times in the beginning of relationships, it is that
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: the sex is really new and great and wonderful.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: And I.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Mean, yeah, it is component, but.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: The funny thing is to me, Katie isn't hornier than
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: a Marissa. It's just that Katie wants validation so loudly,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: you know, and Marissa gets to have, you know, like
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Edward be all over her. But yeah, like. I agree.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Even Rash comments on her, you know, it's everyone is
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: commenting on Katie. Katie, horny girl. You know, like, and again,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: as I said, I was like, oh, I am horny
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: all the time.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know this about me.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I'm just constantly, constantly horny. If I was in a
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: relationship with someone who didn't make me feel like they
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: were sexually into me or sexually turned on by me,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: if I didn't get to feel a certain sexual chem,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: at least once every, if I live with them, Once every, like,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: two days, I think because of my own sensitivities would
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: start to feel I wonder if something's up, you know? Like,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: but then I would probably either, like, you know, adjust
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: or try and see if I could initiate. But if, like,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: four or five days go by, then I would have
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: a conversation. Like, you know, because I would, I feel
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: like part of a fun romantic relationship is this percolating
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: sexual energy. And I know that there's dips and waves
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: and obviously whatnot, but it does something to your psyche
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: if you feel like someone is disengaged or disconnected from you.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: You feel like someone's truly not in love with you
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: fully if they're not chasing you and adoring you sexually
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: as well. Even if that person can't fulfill all of
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: your sexual needs, but there's still something because that really
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: is the difference of why you're roommates and why you're
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: in a relationship. You're fucking.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: You're not fucking someone and it's been a long time.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: You're basically roommates. Yeah. I mean, I do think, yeah.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: And I think the other thing is, is that If
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: then met with the palpable tension that is sexual tension,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: like where you are in a space with someone who
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: you crave their body or you crave their hands on
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: your body, if that's not happening with your loved one,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: at some point it might happen. And then what the
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: fuck are you going to do? Because there is a
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: human need to fuck. Yeah. So I don't want to
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: be like, did you watch that fucking docuseries, Death of
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: a Pastor's Wife?
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: No, but I already talked about it.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I know, I know. And basically, he had whole sermons
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: how he would tell women, you better sexually satisfy every
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: one of your husband's needs. And he, meanwhile, was like,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I can't even tell you. I won't even tell you
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: on this podcast. Well, whatever, God bless. He was making
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: his wife go around and have sexual balances with people
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: that were experiencing homelessness, because that's how he was just
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: like that. Okay, God bless. It's a whole goddamn documentary.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: So anyway, he's like extreme version of that. And obviously,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: that's not what I mean. But the idea that You
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: don't want to have that feeling with your partner of
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: just sexual vibes throughout life. At the same time, we've
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: also desperately, low-key as the audience, want to be like,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: what is your thing, Josh? Is your thing, again, that
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: you like to get pegged? Is your thing that you
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: are cuckold? And those two things are sexual things. They're
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: fetish-y kind of sexual things. So then your thought process is,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: If you are, God bless, into that, then wouldn't you
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: be sexually into this person giving you that? And why
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: aren't you guys then getting off on having found fulfillment?
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. It makes no logical sense.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: They're not logic. Yeah. I still say I think he's
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: in this relationship. It feels like he wants to punish
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: her or something. That's the kink. Is that she's always
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: broken down and then he has to like lift her up.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: It's a, is it Munchausen syndrome or whatever?
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, Munchausen by proxy.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Yes. It just feels like he's always got to do that. Yeah.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: He, this starts to descend into the idea that Katie.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Shirley has been drinking too much. So while he's having
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: this conversation, he also looked over supposedly, and she's there,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: you know, on her like fourth different alcohol and her
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: eyes are sort of glazed over. And she has like
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: sort of asked different people, like her friend Ryan's there now.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: If he wants to make out, God bless, God bless.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: So this is weird, shitty editing because there's like voiceovers.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: So it makes it seem like this didn't actually happen
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: or that she had a different experience of this, but
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: this is what's awkward. She wants another drink, right? She
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: goes into the same bartender that we've been already seeing
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: and she's like, can I have another drink? Now he's like,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the bar is closed. But then she's like, no, I'll
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: pay for it. So she either heard that production wasn't
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: paying for any more drinks and then she was like, Oh, no,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I'll just pay for my own drink. Or they weren't
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: clear that the bar had closed and there was a
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: final call that there just wasn't any more alcohol being served.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Or that she heard that and still was so petulant
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: that she's like, I want a drink. It's unclear, right?
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: It's unclear. I mean, I think probably that last one
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: has a lot of gravity to it. I think this
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: is not Katie's first time.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Like she turns 10?
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's not Katie's first time asking a
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: bartender to give her a drink after the bar is
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: after last call.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: So he doesn't. And she's like, he's mean. A bartender's mean.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Who's been lovely fucking all night. Who's even like been
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: had to answer her asinine questions of like, is an
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: espresso martini strong? And he's like, yeah, bitch, there's a
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: fucking alcohol vodka. And then she's like, okay, great. Make
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: it strong. He's like, okay. He's been lovely all night.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: So fuck.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: So I just need to go over my song. For
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: the new reboot of the Fantastics that I'm auditioning for tomorrow.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck about this.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I have to close this bar. I have to be
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: at Ripley Greer at 830 a.m.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow. Give me the fuck out.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so like someone who's worked in the hospitality industry,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: for her to be like, he's mean and he's shitty
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: is fuck you, Katie.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: And everyone's mean to her. If you don't agree with her,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: you're mean.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And also you're messy. So obviously Josh is witnessing
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: this and is like, let's go to the hotel, Katie.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the room. Why are you upset? And
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: he is having to take care of her. And also
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: he does get off on what feels like a Captain
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Save-A-Ho situation where, you know, like, The idea of feeling
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: like he needs to take care of someone gives him
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: a purpose, which is also interesting because I'm like, oh,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: is that what happened the first night you guys saw
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: each other? Did you see her drunk? Surely, obviously she was.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Making out with different people, your friends. And then was
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Josh like, I need to take care of this woman.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take her home. I'll make sure she
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: gets- I think I'm part of him. Yeah. And the
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: minute that he went to go pee and she ran
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: away from him, he must have gotten so hard being like,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: She's a little fairy flying into the night. I'm not
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: going to take care of her. It was as if
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: other people would be like, yeah, don't have sex with
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: him too early on. It's like Katie was like, don't
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: let him think he can save me too early on.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: She gave him a taste of it and then he
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: was hooked.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's their dynamic.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, my loves. So then he does. He takes her
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: to the hotel room. We get that mini montage. I've
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: already brought it up. Everyone in that goddamn small ass
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: bed were, I mean, Paola and Thomas had the cutest
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: moment and good. And then the next morning, no one
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: is more chipper than Katie. I mean, I am like you.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I don't sleep well after I drink. Katie is like,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: what the fuck? Did she take an ADHD medication? She
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: is like, hi, everyone. I mean, she's like, I mean.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: She went for a run.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: The funny thing was that night, she was like, I
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: don't know if I should have a drink or go
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: on a run. I'm like, is this bitch going to
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: drunkenly run around New York City? Is she going?
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Can someone put that chip in my brain? Like that
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: when I get tipsy, I want to exercise?
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I never. I can't imagine it. I can't imagine sweat.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine being like, I can sweat right now.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: That'd be totally fine.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Like I, I never want to exercise. There's not been
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: one time in my entire life where I went, like
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: even Pilates. I love Pilates. Every time I don't want
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: to go.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Every time.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I want to go to Jones. I want to have
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: an omelet with coffee. That's what I want to do.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so good. I was shocked when Katie, yeah, shocked.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: That's how I'm like, well, we are so vastly different.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Like if you, there's just a part of our DNA,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: our DNA and our mental energies, everything about us are
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: night and day, me and Katie, you know? God bless her.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: So again, she's great. She's chipper. Everyone's like, you know,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: getting in the next day to dress the exact same way,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: you know, continuity. I do. For the next day of
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: the tell-all. And Josh has a come-to-Jesus moment, kind of,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: it feels that way a little bit with Katie, where
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: he's like, I don't want to have to fucking babysit
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: you all the time. And she's like, you know what, Josh? Maybe,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: just maybe, I'll take a month off drinking. And he's like, wow.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: And that's all she needed to say. That was it.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: And that is their, you know what I said? It's
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: like that terrible fucking movie with Daniel Day-Lewis, The Phantom Thread.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: I hated that movie so badly. The whole thing is like,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: he's a fashion designer and I forget. And I think
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: either he gets sick or his wife gets sick, but
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: you learn spoiler alert, but it's a terrible movie. Don't
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: watch it. At the end of the movie, you learn
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: that I forgot who was getting sick, but they find
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: out the reason they're getting sick is because they're, I
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: think like, she, she was getting sick because he was,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: had been poisoning her food throughout this entire time. Oh,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: and she finds that out. And it's like the last one,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: he makes like some porridge or stew or something like that.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: And she knows it has poison in it. And she
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: looks at him lovingly and just eats the stew. And
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: that's how the movie fucking ends. Oh, God. It was
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: so fucking stupid. But there does feel like this in that.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: What you just described.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's like, we both know this isn't it. Or
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: we both know what's happening. We both know that I'm
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: getting the short end of the stick. And I will
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: swallow it. Look at you in the eye. Yeah. God,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: that's deep. So... We obviously start. Sean's back. She's like,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: you guys have a good night? It was crazy. And
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: it really wasn't that crazy because Katie didn't make out
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: with anyone.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: She didn't make out with anyone.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I obviously thought that Katie was going to make out
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: with someone or at least try to make out with
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: one of the cast members. And I wonder if production
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: at the end of the night was like, Matt Sharp's
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: going to be so mad at us.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Daddy Sharp's going to, we got to pull.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: We should have. There just wasn't like, you know, it
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: was like, it'd be great if it was Thomas just
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: because of all that, you know, business, but who would
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: it be, you know? So did Brandy, do you know
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: how it's interesting how who shows up to the bar?
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Like obviously Allison does. Did Brandy ever show up to
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: the bar?
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: No, Jake brought that up. We've never really seen that.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: We've seen this like maybe at the end, but in the,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: during the bar scene, Allison shows up, Randy shows up.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Danica shows up. Yeah. We're, we're, we're Mallory's people. So
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: it's interesting. They've never done that. Usually it's just the
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: cast members. Right.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Like Nicole, go see Michael Jackson, the musical after they filmed. Yeah.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Back on the stage, honey, listen, Josh had an assignment. Right.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: From the men. And so we talk about it. We
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: really do. Poor Shawn Robinson.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: She's having to ask if he's gone down on her before.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: I know. Think of the prep of Shawn day two
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: where the producer's like, okay, this is what happened the
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: night before. The guys took Josh aside and they said
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: that you have to go down on Katie. So now
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: that we are going to talk to Josh and Katie,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: definitely talk about cunnilingus. Right?
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: And she was like, because, you know, Sean knows the
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: word cunnilingus. So she was like, cunnilingus? Okay.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Cunnilingus? Okay. And then she called her pastor, Morgan, and said,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood. Please pray
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: for me.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Aisha, yeah. Aisha's like, I will. You mean,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I'll pray for you? Yeah, I'm God?
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah, basically.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: We find out that Josh hasn't gone down on Katie,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: not because of... Anything that Josh would not do, it's
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: because Katie doesn't really enjoy that.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this is such a perfect metaphor for
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: what you've been talking about this whole episode about the
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: confusion of the dynamics of their relationship.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if it's too much sensory for her.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she just has never had anyone
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: do it well enough for her. I don't know if
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: in the act, she's just so alone in that moment
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: up there where he's down there where her thoughts get
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: to and she can't quite focus. There's something weird about getting,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: you know, the thing for me as a lady is
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: that when someone's downstairs and I'm suddenly in my own world.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: I feel like I can't, I don't really feel this
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: person's like, wait on me. I don't, it's like, I'm
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: not making eye contact with this person.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: I definitely don't. I don't think you should be, you
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: should be thinking about your grocery list. You should or shouldn't,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be thinking about your grocery list.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: It's like, so then what you have to do is
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: sort of just lay in the moment and really just
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: allow the feelings to come up with. And it's like, or,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: you know, literally the physical feelings of someone downstairs. And
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to clear and focus your mind
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: on that enough to– it's a weird sensory moment, yeah, sometimes,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I think. And I wonder if she experiences that. And
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: not that sexual– not like I don't enjoy it. It's
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: like I have to do mental gymnastics in a way
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: to enjoy that act more than I do actual penetration,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: if that makes sense.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: It does, I think. I think so. Great.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: So– good. I'm glad. I just like– I don't know.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: They never asked me why. You're asking me about going
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: down on women, and it's a topic I know very
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: little about. Very little bit, yeah. In fact, nothing.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: No one's asked like, oh, Katie, you don't enjoy it? Yeah,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: but you just never had a– there's no feminine follow-up
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: to that. You never just didn't– because.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: She is– Because I can't equate– yeah.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: No one wants to talk about sex more than Katie.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: No one thinks that there are no boundaries. No one's like, oh, okay,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: you don't. She has been literally being like, what's your
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: dick look like? Circumcised the whole time. So I'm just
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: so interested that like, okay, Katie, you don't want to
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: talk about you being bad. You don't want to see
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: footage of that. We know you love sex. So why
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: not at least dive in deep with the girl that
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: will open up about everything? Nope. Yeah. Not even fun.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Not even a fun girl talk about it. No. So
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: then we get Michaela and Brandy, who of course, because
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: it's Mallory and Rash's turn. Okay. So when Michaela and
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Brandy come out, they come out, honey, and it's LOL
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: because they give me Hailey and Justin Bieber vibes in,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: they're not a couple, but if they were going to
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: two different places on two different planets, she is in
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: a blue sequin, like eighties fucking, you know, beauty pageant dress.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: And he, honey, is like the last cowboy. I mean,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: I look at them together. Like, when they saw each other,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: were they like, one of us should just tone it down?
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: One of us should bring it up, you know?
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Like, what do we do?
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Her dress... And I gotta say, I thought Mallory's too.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: They went to the same 80s prom store and bought
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: these dresses. And they're horrible. But it's the.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: She really looks like a walking advertisement in 1987 for
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: women over 50 to get glamour shots.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure my grandma wore that same outfit that
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: my mom and my aunts took her to glamour shots
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: to get as her gift for her 70th or whatever.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. It is glamour shots, 100%. And then, God
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: bless her, she put on the very darkest, purpliest, blackest lipstick,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: which was very goth, on top of this, yeah, 80s glam,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: cobalt blue dress. I was like, oh, God, Michaela, come on. Listen,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: you think that you won wars against Europe back to back,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: but you are losing this war, honey.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: You're losing this war.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: In your closet every day. So... I mean, pick your battles. Okay.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Let's just, I know. Okay. I love you. I'm sorry.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: I'm a bitch. Okay. So basically what this conversation is
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: about is that even though we were led to believe
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: that Brandy and Rash made up, Rash still has issues
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: with Brandy because Mallory talks to Brandy. Now Mallory is
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: like not a lot and it's, Then revealed, because of Michaela,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: who doesn't have.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: To say any of this.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're like, so what?
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: They just want to talk. They're friends. And then?
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Michaela's like, well, yeah, just that, let's be honest. He's
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: been dating some women that haven't been that great. And Mallory,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: who shouldn't have an opinion on it because she's supposed
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: to be happily married, has a lot of opinions. Too
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: many opinions in my mind. Because why would you have
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: that many opinions about who he's dating unless? We're like, oh. Unless. Okay.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: I want you to say that all again. And can
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: you do that? And then, cause you did it in pretty. Oh,
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: can you do it the way a Southern person would
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: say all that?
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Please. Well, here's the thing. Brandy has been, I'm just
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: calling Brandy now because it's stuck. Brandy has been dating
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: some women who are just not that great. Like, you know,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: not the best and no one has a more voluminous
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: opinion than Mallory. Now, we would all think, why have
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: that opinion, Mallory? Because you're dating Rash and you should
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: be real happy. She loves Rash, right? However, she texts
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: him all these things about these women and it's like,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't be feeling those things unless you still had
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: feelings for him. You know what I'm saying, Sean and Rash? Now,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Mallory is like- Very good.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Um, no. Um, no. I just, as, no, I, shut up. Like,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: you know, Mallory is so upset.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: But that's why she's there. She's so upset. She's, yeah. Michaela,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: sequins and ruffles don't come to play.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Now, immediately, I'm like, okay, first of all, now, where
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: are the women that he's dated? I want to see them.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: So he's not getting that Katie girl then, right? That
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: other girl that was around?
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: We don't know. Because Michaela said, Brandy said, you know,
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting around talking to five women. I've slept with
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: them both. I'm in my whole face, Sean.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, no. That's what happens in them small towns. Shay's like, Katie,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: first of all, Katie is like, me too. That's literally
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: what happens with me, everyone.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: See? Sean's like, been there.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Like love.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's so interesting. But when that happens, it's
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: interesting because Rosh doesn't really have the kind of reaction
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: you'd think for him to have. Who we assume should
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: be like, what? Is that true, baby? You still like me?
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: You assume he's going to have that reaction. He doesn't.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: He just sort of sits there. And then Brandy... It's like, no,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: we're just friends. Like, I don't think she loves me
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: like that. You know, like, and Mallory is just sort
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: of like seemingly embarrassed the entire time.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Well, she's got those opinions about all the women you date.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know if she'd have that if she wasn't
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: carrying a torch.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: This is where Aisha's like, bitch, this is where you're
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: being messy. Because, yeah, assumingly. Rosh shouldn't tell you what
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: to do, but you're making it complicated because now people
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: like your best friend can go around being like, they text.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: And then your small ass town full of people that
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: talk are going to be like, why do they text?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Because she's not into that man. And like, you know what?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: It's disrespectful to Rosh. And she hears that. So they,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: I guess, sort of influence her to respect the boundaries more.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, then they talk babies, right? And
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: this conversation was hard for me, Chris Farah, because I
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: think that I've been living in this idea of something of, like, whether,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I can sort of, you know, seemingly fulfill
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: what I thought was going to happen in a part
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: of my life. And also it's hard because I also had, like,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: a weird relationship with my mom. And so this conversation
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: happens and I'm, like, already kind of on, like, ugh,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: I wish this wasn't happening. But Debbie does say something
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: that is so– mildly painful for me to hear that
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say it because if anyone else had
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: this moment, I'm here for you. So obviously Marissa's like,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: this hurts my heart. He had a rough childhood. And
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Debbie's like, I also have like a shitty mom who
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: had depression issues. And Debbie's like, nothing fixes or healed
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: that more for me than having a child. And I
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: thought about that Because it feels like a lizard brain
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: want to heal that. Like, it feels like it can't
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: possibly actually do that. It feels like what a lizard
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: brain would think is going to heal. But then you
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: put a lot of that pressure on your children to, what,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: heal a part of your past? And what if it
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: doesn't look like how you thought it was going to
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: look like? Like, I... But I haven't had that experience.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: And I guess, you know, Debbie has. And so I
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: guess I was like, can that possibly be true?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Or is.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Is it different for every person? You know what I'm saying?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh. It was so beautifully said the way she said it.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: And I think, you know, I have personal friends who
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: that has healed. But I also want to bring what
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: you said is that so important is there shouldn't be
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: an expectation of you to have children to heal yourself.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: But I think there might be this visceral primitive cycle.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Like you can't stop it if you've had the want
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: or need to have an experience from your.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, I get it. Like how would you not– Because
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: I think about with my children how– I definitely think
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: about it if I ever had children. I'm just kidding.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Don't think back on Timothy. Yes.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Little Arlene.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Xander and Lander. But I do think about how,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: if I was a parent, what things I would want
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: to do differently that I didn't get. And I'd want
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: to make sure my child knew that she was getting that.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: So I think they're, or he, they, whatever. So, yeah,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: I can see the validity in it. Um, and, but
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: I guess that too, I just don't want to say that. Yeah.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: It's yeah. You just don't want to put pressure on
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: your child, but how could it not? I mean, having
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: children is a huge thing. How it's like, how could
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: it not heal infants, but also heal things in yourself
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: with them? Maybe potentially break parts of yourself. You know,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: it's such a, an intense thing.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: A hundred fucking percent.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Childless gay man talking about parenting here. So, um, I
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: get it.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: No, I guess I'm trying to make sense of it
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: because yes, when she said it, it was beautiful. And
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: then I just was like, yeah, but it's so interesting.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: It's like, I guess in the same way, it's like,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: you can't have a bandage baby for, for a marriage
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: that's not working out. Right. Like, but it's not the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: same thing. It's just the idea of it is just
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: a interesting.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: That is beautiful.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: If you didn't have this relationship with your mom, it
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: probably would make you feel like, well, I mean, I
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: think for my own father, let me speak to that
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: for my own father, whose father left when he was
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: five years old. And, you know, none of them had
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: a relationship. You know, my grandmama went over and beat
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: up his mistress with a chili can and like they
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: never talked again. It was a whole thing. And so
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: those stories are on that. That's a very much longer story.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: But my father basically didn't see his dad since he
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: was five years old and Carried so much pain about
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: that unresolved pain and to his death. But at the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: same time, I know it was very healing for him
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: that he was a good dad that now he would
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: tell us on the weekly. Y'all better be grateful because
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't have a dad to go do this with me.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: And so and we just kind of would laugh about
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: it eventually. But I think he brought that up because
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: every week it was a reminder of like, I can
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: take my sons to go get ice cream after one
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: of them plays a baseball game. I never, ever had
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: that in my life. So I do think that is
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: profoundly healing.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: It's interesting. I have had one reoccurring dream for almost,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: I can't even tell you, maybe my whole life or whatever.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: And the reoccurring stress dream is that I suddenly remember
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: in the dream that I have been given baby kittens
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: or baby puppies or one or two to take care of.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Suddenly I remember, oh no, my friend dropped one off
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: and I have one in my house. Or it's like
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: this idea that I have neglected something and then I
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: have to rush to this thing and just hope and
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: pray that it's healthy. I have to somehow get the
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: things I need to keep this thing alive that I've
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: not done, like food, obviously, or whatever. And so I
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: always find the thing. It's never dead. It's just skinny
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: looking and like on shaky legs. And I've considered this
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: and I've been like, well, at some point I'll get
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: a pet and I'm not going to kill the pet.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: Cause I'm, I really think I will not kill the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: pet and I will heal myself from this fucking dream.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I'll be like, Oh no, Chris, you can take care
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: of a pet. It'll be fine. You know how to
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: feed a pet. It's chill. You've taken care of yourself.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: It's not that hard. And so I do that. The
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: lizard part of me is like, Oh, I'll get the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: thing to fix it. And I, So it's just an
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: interesting human desire or human problem-solving thing that also happens
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: on this level. Anyway, so I thought a lot about that.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't expect to talk about this today, but Chris,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: the answer is yes. I will have a baby with
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: you if that's what you're asking me.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: You know I get them frozen eggs.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's not going to happen the old way.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Love you.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: I know, unless we have a lot of what? No,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Wine.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: Josh and I have more than common.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Listen, if Katie can hook up with Thomas, she gets shit-faced.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, exactly.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. So basically, could you fucking imagine? No.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: And it would definitely be in the– if it ever
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: had to happen, it would be in the fanciest fucking
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: hotel room of our lives. Okay. It wouldn't be at
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: the time. Okay, so basically everyone– is talking about the babies.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: You know, Shay's like, well, Mallory's going to give you
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: a baby ratchet. You know, she loves you. You know,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Edward's like, I want a baby so bad. You know,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: they talk about babies. Marissa cries, like I said. And
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: then we're going to go on to the final. Is
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: there only three parts of this tell-all or are there
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: four parts?
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, three parts.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: For the final part. So we're done with this tell-all,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: believe it or not. We've been talking so long, though,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: so I'm sure you guys are like.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Sorry, y'all. We go long. We have fun here. Yeah,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: we do.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: But it's been... obviously amazing to talk to you and
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: I love you so much. And thank you so much
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: for coming on and discussing this.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: With me about some things. So I appreciate that.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Same, same. You give such incredibly nuanced professional advice because
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: your background being a therapist.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: So you're so mature.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: Did you see, by the way, on Instagram that supposedly
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: talking about couple counselors and you were like, people come
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: to us too late. That Katie and Josh have a
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: couple counselor named Kevin that they go to? No. Yeah.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: And then I was like, can we talk to Kevin?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Can we get Kevin's notes?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Well, sadly, no.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: But I wonder if it helps unless they cast him.
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