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DJT Audio Archive: Presidential Debate vs Hillary Clinton - Round 1 - Hempstead, New York (September 16, 2016) · Real Donald Trump Wisdom

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Good evening from Hofstra University in Hempstead,
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New York. I'm Lester Holt, anchor of NBC Nightly
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News. I want to welcome you to the first presidential
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debate. The participants tonight are Donald Trump
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and Hillary Clinton. This debate is sponsored
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by the Commission on Presidential Debates, a
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nonpartisan, nonprofit organization. The commission
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drafted tonight's format, and the rules have
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been agreed to by the campaigns. The 90 -minute
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debate is divided into six segments, each 50
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minutes long. We'll explore three topic areas
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tonight, achieving prosperity, America's direction,
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and securing America. At the start of each segment,
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I will ask the same lead -off question to both
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candidates, and they will each have up to two
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minutes to respond. From that point until the
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end of the segment, we'll have an open discussion.
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The questions are mine and have not been shared
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with the commission or the campaigns. The audience
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here in the room has agreed to remain silent
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so that we can focus on what the candidates are
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saying. I will invite you to applaud, however,
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at this moment as we welcome the candidates.
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Democratic nominee for President of the United
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States, Hillary Clinton, and Republican nominee
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for President of the United States, Donald J.
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Trump. Good luck to you. Good luck to you. Well,
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I don't expect us to cover all the issues of
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this campaign tonight, but I remind everyone
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there are two more presidential debates scheduled.
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We are going to focus on many of the issues that
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voters tell us are most important, and we're
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going to press for specifics. I am honored to
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have this role, but this evening belongs to the
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candidates and just as important to the American
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people. Candidates, we look forward to hearing
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you articulate your policies and your positions,
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as well as your visions and your values. So,
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let's begin. We're calling this opening segment
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Achieving Prosperity, and central to that...
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is jobs. There are two economic realities in
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America today. There's been a record six straight
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years of job growth, and new census numbers show
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incomes have increased at a record rate after
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years of stagnation. However, income inequality
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remains significant, and nearly half of Americans
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are living paycheck to paycheck. Why are you
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a better choice than your opponent to create
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the kinds of jobs that will put more money into
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the pockets of American workers? Well, thank
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you, Lester, and thanks to Hofstra for hosting
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us. The central question in this election is
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really what kind of country we want to be and
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what kind of future we'll build together. Today
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is my granddaughter's second birthday, so I think
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about this a lot. First, we have to build an
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economy that works for everyone, not just those
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at the top. That means we need new jobs, good
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jobs, with rising incomes. I want us to invest
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in you. I want us to invest in your future. That
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means jobs in infrastructure, in advanced manufacturing,
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in innovation and technology, clean renewable
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energy, and small business, because most of the
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new jobs will come from small business. We also
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have to make the economy fairer. That starts
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with raising the national minimum wage and also
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guarantee, finally, equal pay for women's work.
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I also want to see more companies do profit sharing.
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If you help create the profits, you should be
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able to share in them, not just the executives
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at the top. And I want us to do more to support
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people who are struggling to balance family and
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work. I've heard from so many of you about the
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difficult choices you face. and the stresses
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that you're under. So let's have paid family
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leave, earn sick days. Let's be sure we have
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affordable childcare and debt -free college.
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How are we going to do it? We're going to do
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it by having the wealthy pay their fair share
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and close the corporate loopholes. Finally, we
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tonight are on the stage together, Donald Trump
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and I. Donald, it's good to be with you. We're
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going to have a debate. where we are talking
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about the important issues facing our country.
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You have to judge us. Who can shoulder the immense,
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awesome responsibilities of the presidency? Who
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can put into action the plans that will make
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your life better? I hope that I will be able
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to earn your vote on November 8th. Secretary
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Clinton, thank you. Mr. Trump, the same question
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to you. It's about putting money, more money,
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into the pockets of American workers. You have
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up to two minutes. Thank you, Lester. Our jobs
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are fleeing the country. They're going to Mexico.
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They're going to many other countries. You look
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at what China is doing to our country in terms
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of making our product. They're devaluing their
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currency, and there's nobody in our government
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to fight them. And we have a very good fight,
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and we have a winning fight, because they're
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using our country as a piggy bank to rebuild
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China, and many other countries are doing the
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same thing. So we're losing our good jobs, so
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many of them. When you look at what's happening
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in Mexico, a friend of mine who builds plants
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said it's the eighth wonder of the world. They're
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building some of the biggest plants anywhere
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in the world, some of the most sophisticated,
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some of the best plants. With the United States,
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as he said, not so much. So Ford is leaving.
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You see that, their small car division leaving.
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thousands of jobs, leaving Michigan, leaving
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Ohio. They're all leaving, and we can't allow
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it to happen anymore. As far as child care is
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concerned and so many other things, I think Hillary
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and I agree on that. We probably disagree a little
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bit as to numbers and amounts and what we're
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going to do, but perhaps we'll be talking about
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that later. But we have to stop our jobs from
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being stolen from us. We have to stop our companies
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from leaving. the United States, and with it,
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firing all of their people. All you have to do
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is take a look at Carrier Air Conditioning in
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Indianapolis. They left, fired 1 ,400 people.
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They're going to Mexico. So many hundreds and
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hundreds of companies are doing this. We cannot
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let it happen. Under my plan, I'll be reducing
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taxes tremendously. from 35 percent to 15 percent
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for companies, small and big businesses. That's
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going to be a job creator like we haven't seen
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since Ronald Reagan. It's going to be a beautiful
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thing to watch. Companies will come. They will
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build. They will expand. New companies will start.
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And I look very, very much forward to doing it.
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We have to renegotiate our trade deals, and we
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have to stop these countries from stealing our
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companies and our jobs. Secretary Clinton, would
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you like to respond? Well, I think that trade
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is an important issue. Of course, we are 5 percent
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of the world's population. We have to trade with
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the other 95 percent. And we need to have smart,
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fair trade deals. We also, though, need to have
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a tax system that rewards work and not just financial
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transactions. And the kind of plan that Donald
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has put forth would be trickle -down economics
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all over again. In fact, it would be the most
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extreme version, the biggest tax cuts for the
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top percent of the people in this country than
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we've ever had. I call it trumped up, trickle
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down, because that's exactly what it would be.
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That is not how we grow the economy. We just
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have a different view about what's best for growing
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the economy, how we make investments that will
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actually produce jobs and rising incomes. I think
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we come at it from somewhat different perspectives.
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I understand that. You know, Donald was very
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fortunate in his life, and that's all to his
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benefit. He started his business with $14 million
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borrowed from his father. And he really believes
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that the more you help wealthy people, the better
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off we'll be and that everything will work out
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from there. I don't buy that. I have a different
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experience. My father was a small businessman.
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He worked really hard. He printed drapery fabrics
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on long tables where he pulled out those. fabrics
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and he went down with a silk screen and dumped
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the paint in and took the squeegee and kept going
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and so what i believe is the more we can do for
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the middle class the more we can invest in you
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your education your skills your future the better
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we will be off and the better we'll grow that's
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the kind of economy i want us to see again let
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me follow up with mr trump if i can you've talked
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about creating 25 million jobs and you've promised
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to bring back millions of jobs for Americans.
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How are you going to bring back the industries
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that have left this country for cheaper labor
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overseas? How specifically are you going to tell
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American manufacturers that you have to come
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back? Well, for one thing, and before we start
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on that, my father gave me a very small loan
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in 1975, and I built it into a company that's
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worth many, many billions of dollars with some
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of the greatest assets in the world. And I say
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that only because that's the kind of thinking
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that our country needs. Our country's in deep
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trouble. We don't know what we're doing when
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it comes to devaluations and all of these countries
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all over the world, especially China. They're
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the best, the best ever at it. What they're doing
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to us is a very, very sad thing. So we have to
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do that. We have to renegotiate our trade deals.
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They're taking our jobs. They're giving incentives.
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They're doing things that, frankly, we don't
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do. Let me give you the example of Mexico. They
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have a VAT tax. We're in a different system.
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When we sell into Mexico, There's a tax. When
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they sell in automatic, 16 % approximately. When
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they sell into us, there's no tax. It's a defective
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agreement. It's been defective for a long time,
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many years, but the politicians haven't done
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anything about it. Now, in all fairness to Secretary
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Clinton, yes? Is that OK? Good. I want you to
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be very happy. It's very important to me. But
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in all fairness to Secretary Clinton, when she
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started talking about this, it was really very
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recently. She's been doing this for 30 years.
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And why hasn't she made the agreements better?
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The NAFTA agreement is defective just because
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of the tax and many other reasons, but just because
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of the fact. Let me interrupt you for a moment.
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Secretary Clinton and others, politicians, should
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have been doing this for years. Not right now
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because of the fact that we've created a movement.
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They should have been doing this for years. What's
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happened to our jobs and our country and our
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economy generally is, look, we owe $20 trillion.
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We cannot do it any longer, Lester. Back to the
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question, though, how do you bring back, specifically
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bring back jobs? American manufacturers, how
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do you make them bring the jobs back? Well, the
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first thing you do is don't let the jobs leave.
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The companies are leaving. I could name, I mean,
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there are thousands of them. They're leaving,
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and they're leaving in bigger numbers than ever.
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And what you do is you say, fine, you want to
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go to Mexico or some other country? Good luck.
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We wish you a lot of luck. But if you think you're
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going to make your air conditioners or your cars
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or your cookies or whatever you make and bring
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them into our country without a tax, you're wrong.
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And once you say you're going to have to tax
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them coming in, and our politicians never do
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this, because they have special interests and
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the special interests want those companies to
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leave, because in many cases they own the companies.
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What I'm saying is we can stop them from leaving.
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We have to stop them from leaving. And that's
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a big, big factor. Let me let Secretary Clinton.
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Well, let's stop for a second and remember where
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we were eight years ago. We had the worst financial
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crisis, the Great Recession, the worst since
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the 1930s. That was in large part because of
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tax policies that slashed taxes on the wealthy,
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failed to invest in the middle class. took their
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eyes off of Wall Street and created a perfect
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storm. In fact, Donald was one of the people
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who rooted for the housing crisis. He said back
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in 2006, gee, I hope it does collapse because
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then I can go in and buy some and make some money.
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Well, it did collapse. That's called business,
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by the way. Nine million people. Nine million
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people lost their jobs. Five million people lost
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their homes. And $13 trillion. in family wealth
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was wiped out. Now, we have come back from that
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abyss, and it has not been easy. So we're now
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on the precipice of having a potentially much
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better economy. But the last thing we need to
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do is to go back to the policies that failed
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us in the first place. Independent experts have
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looked at what I've proposed and looked at what
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Donald's proposed, and basically they've said
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this, that if his tax plan which would blow up
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the debt by over $5 trillion and would, in some
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instances, disadvantage middle -class families
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compared to the wealthy, were to go into effect,
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we would lose 3 .5 million jobs and maybe have
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another recession. They've looked at my plans,
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and they've said, OK, if we can do this, and
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I intend to get it done, we will have 10 million
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more new jobs. because we will be making investments
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where we can grow the economy. Take clean energy.
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Some country is going to be the clean energy
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superpower of the 21st century. Donald thinks
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that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by
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the Chinese. I think it's real. I did not. Science
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is real. I do not say that. And I think it's
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important that we grip this and deal with it.
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both at home and abroad. And here's what we can
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do. We can deploy a half a billion more solar
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panels. We can have enough clean energy to power
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every home. We can build a new modern electric
14:04
grid. That's a lot of jobs. That's a lot of new
14:07
economic activity. So I've tried to be very specific
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about what we can and should do, and I am determined
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that we're going to get the economy really moving
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again. building on the progress we've made over
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the last eight years, but never going back to
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what got us in trouble in the first place. Mr.
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Trump. She talks about solar panels. We invested
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in a solar company, our country. That was a disaster.
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They lost plenty of money on that one. Now, look,
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I'm a great believer in all forms of energy,
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but we're putting a lot of people out of work.
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Our energy policies are a disaster. our country
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is losing so much in terms of energy in terms
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of paying off our debt you can't do what you're
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looking to do with 20 trillion in debt the obama
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administration from the time they've come in
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is over 230 years worth of debt and he's topped
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it he's doubled it in a course of almost eight
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years seven and a half years to be semi -exact
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so i will tell you this we have to do a much
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better job at keeping our jobs. And we have to
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do a much better job at giving companies incentive
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to build new companies or to expand, because
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they're not doing it. And all you have to do
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is look at Michigan and look at Ohio and look
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at all of these places where so many of their
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jobs and their companies are just leaving. They're
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gone. And, Hillary, I just ask you this. You've
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been doing this for 30 years. Why are you just
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thinking about these solutions right now? For
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30 years you've been doing it, and now you're
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just starting to think of solutions. I will bring
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back jobs. You can't bring back jobs. Well, actually,
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I have thought about this quite a bit. Yeah,
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for 30 years. And I have, well, not quite that
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long. I think my husband did a pretty good job
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in the 1990s. I think a lot about what worked
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and how we can make it work again. Well, he approved
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NAFTA. He approved NAFTA, which is the single
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worst trade deal ever approved in this country.
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Incomes went up for everybody. Manufacturing
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jobs went up also in the 1990s, if we're actually
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going to look at the facts. When I was in the
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Senate, I had a number of trade deals that came
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before me, and I held them all to the same test.
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Will they create jobs in America? Will they raise
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incomes in America? And are they good for our
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national security? Some of them I voted for.
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The biggest one, a multinational one known as
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CAFTA, I voted against. And because I hold the
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same standards as I look at all of these trade
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deals. But let's not assume that trade is the
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only challenge we have in the economy. I think
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it is a part of it, and I've said what I'm going
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to do. I'm going to have a special prosecutor.
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We're going to enforce the trade deals we have,
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and we're going to hold people accountable. When
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I was secretary of state, we actually increased
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American exports globally 30 percent. We increased
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them to China 50 percent. So I know how to really
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work to get new jobs and to get exports that
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help to create more. new jobs. Well, you haven't
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done it in 30 years or 26 years. Well, I've been
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a senator, Donald, and I have been a secretary
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of state, and I have done a lot. Your husband
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signed NAFTA, which was one of the worst things
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that ever happened to the manufacturing industry.
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That is your opinion. You go to New England,
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you go to Ohio, Pennsylvania, you go anywhere
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you want, Secretary Clinton, and you will see
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devastation where manufacturing is down 30, 40,
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sometimes 50 percent. NAFTA is the worst trade
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deal maybe ever. ever signed anywhere, but certainly
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ever signed in this country. And now you want
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to approve Trans -Pacific Partnership. You were
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totally in favor of it. Then you heard what I
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was saying, how bad it is, and you said, I can't
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win that debate. But you know that if you did
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win, you would approve that, and that will be
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almost as bad as NAFTA. Nothing will ever top
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NAFTA. That is just not accurate. was against
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it once it was finally negotiated and the terms
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were laid out. I wrote about that in... You called
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it the gold standard. You called it the gold
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standard of trade deals. You said it's the finest
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deal you've ever seen. And then you heard what
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I said about it and all of a sudden you were
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against it. Well, Donald, I know you live in
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your own reality, but that is not the facts.
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The facts are, I did say I hoped it would be
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a good deal, but when it was negotiated, which
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I was not responsible for... I concluded it wasn't.
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I wrote about that in my book before you even
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announced. Look, there are different— Secretary,
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is it President Obama's fault? There are different—
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Because he's pushing it. There are different
18:47
views about what's good for— our country, our
18:51
economy, and our leadership in the world. And
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I think it's important to look at what we need
18:56
to do to get the economy going again. That's
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why I said new jobs with rising incomes, investments,
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not in more tax cuts that would add $5 trillion
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to the debt. But you have no plan. Oh, I do.
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Secretary, you have no plan. In fact, I have
19:11
written a book about it. It's called Stronger
19:13
Together. You can pick it up tomorrow. That's
19:14
about all you. At the bookstore or at an airport
19:17
near you. We're going to move, too. it's because
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i see this we need to have strong growth fair
19:23
growth sustained growth we also have to look
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at how we help families balance the responsibilities
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at home and the responsibilities at business
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so we have a very robust set of plans. And people
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who have looked at both of our plans have concluded
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that mine would create 10 million jobs and yours
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would lose us three and a half million jobs and
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explode. You are going to approve one of the
19:48
biggest tax cuts in history. You are going to
19:51
approve one of the biggest tax increases in history.
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You are going to drive business out. Your regulations
19:58
are a disaster and you're going to increase regulations
20:00
all over the place. And by the way. My tax cut
20:04
is the biggest since Ronald Reagan. I'm very
20:06
proud of it. It will create tremendous numbers
20:09
of new jobs. But regulations, you are going to
20:12
regulate these businesses out of existence. When
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I go around, Lester, I tell you this, I've been
20:17
all over. And when I go around... Despite the
20:20
tax cut, the things that business and people
20:23
like the most is the fact that I'm cutting regulation.
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You have regulations on top of regulations, and
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new companies cannot form, and old companies
20:34
are going out of business, and you want to increase
20:36
the regulations and make them even worse. I'm
20:39
going to cut regulations, but I'm going to cut
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taxes, big league, and you're going to raise
20:44
taxes, big league. End of story. Let me get you
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to pause right there, because we're going to
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move into the next. Move into the next segment.
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We're going to talk taxes. That can't be left
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to stand. Please, just take 30 seconds, and then
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we're going to go on. I kind of assumed that
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there would be a lot of these charges and claims.
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Facts. And so we have taken the homepage of my
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website, HillaryClinton .com, and we've turned
21:04
it into a fact checker. So if you want to see
21:07
in real time what the facts are, please go and
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take a look. And take a look at mine also, and
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you'll see. Not add a penny to the debt. And
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your plans would add $5 trillion to the debt.
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What I have proposed would cut regulations and
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streamline them for small businesses. What I
21:27
have proposed would be paid for by raising taxes
21:31
on the wealthy because they have made all the
21:36
gains in the economy, and I think it's time that
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the wealthy and corporations paid their fair
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share to support this country. You know what?
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It's no different than this. She's telling us
21:57
how to fight ISIS. Just go to her website. She
22:00
tells you how to fight ISIS on her website. I
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don't think General Douglas MacArthur would like
22:04
that too much. The next segment, we're continuing
22:07
the subject of achieving prosperity. Well, at
22:08
least I have a plan to fight ISIS. No, no. You're
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telling the enemy everything you want to do.
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No, we're not. See, you're telling the enemy
22:14
everything you want to do. No wonder you've been
22:17
fighting ISIS your entire adult life. Go to the,
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please, the fact -checkers. Get to work. Folks,
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you are unpacking a lot here, and we're still
22:28
on the issue of achieving prosperity. And I want
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to talk about taxes. The fundamental difference
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between the two of you concerns the wealthy.
22:36
Secretary Clinton, you're calling for a tax increase
22:38
in the wealthiest Americans. I'd like you to
22:40
further defend that. And, Mr. Trump, you're calling
22:42
for tax cuts for the wealthy. I'd like you to
22:45
defend that. And this next two -minute answer
22:47
goes to you, Mr. Trump. Well, I'm really calling
22:49
for major jobs because the wealthy are going
22:51
to create tremendous jobs. They're going to expand
22:54
their companies. They're going to do a tremendous
22:56
job. I'm getting rid of the carried interest
22:58
provision. And if you really look, it's not a
23:01
tax—it's really not a great thing for the wealthy.
23:03
It's a great thing for the middle class. It's
23:05
a great thing for companies to expand. And when
23:08
these people are going to put billions and billions
23:10
of dollars into companies, and when they're going
23:13
to bring $2 .5 trillion back from overseas where
23:16
they can't bring the money back because politicians
23:18
like Secretary Clinton won't allow them to bring
23:22
the money back because the taxes are so onerous
23:24
and the bureaucratic red tape is so bad. So what
23:28
they're doing is they're leaving our country,
23:30
and they're, believe it or not, leaving because
23:32
taxes are too high and because some— Some of
23:35
them have lots of money outside of our country,
23:37
and instead of bringing it back and putting the
23:39
money to work, because they can't work out a
23:41
deal to—and everybody agrees it should be brought
23:43
back—instead of that, they're leaving our country
23:47
to get their money, because they can't bring
23:49
their money back into our country because of
23:51
bureaucratic red tape, because they can't get
23:54
together. Because we have a president that can't
23:57
sit them around a table and get them to approve
24:00
something. And here's the thing. Republicans
24:02
and Democrats agree that this should be done.
24:05
$2 .5 trillion. I happen to think it's double
24:07
that. It's probably $5 trillion that we can't
24:11
bring into our country, Lester. And with a little
24:14
leadership, you'd get it in here very quickly,
24:16
and it could be put to use on the inner cities
24:19
and lots of other things, and it would be beautiful.
24:21
But we have no leadership. And honestly, that
24:24
starts with Secretary Clinton. All right, you
24:27
have two minutes on the same question to defend
24:29
tax increases on the wealthiest Americans, Secretary
24:32
Clinton. I have a feeling that by the end of
24:34
this evening, I'm going to be blamed for everything
24:35
that's ever happened. Why not? Why not? Yeah,
24:38
why not? You know, just join the debate by saying
24:44
more crazy things. Now, let me say this. There's
24:47
nothing crazy about not letting our companies
24:50
bring their money back into their country. This
24:53
is Secretary Clinton's two minutes, please. Yeah,
24:55
well, let's start the clock again, Lester. We've
24:59
looked at your tax proposals. I don't see changes
25:03
in the corporate tax rates or the kinds of proposals
25:07
you're referring to that would cause the repatriation,
25:11
bringing back of money that's stranded overseas.
25:14
I happen to support that. I happen to support
25:17
that in a way that will actually work to our
25:20
benefit. But when I look at what you have proposed,
25:24
You have what is called now the Trump loophole,
25:28
because it would so advantage you and the business
25:31
you do. You've proposed an approach that has
25:35
a $4 billion tax benefit for your family. And
25:41
when you look at what you are proposing, it is,
25:44
as I said, trumped up trickle -down. Trickle
25:48
-down did not work. It got us into the mess we
25:52
were in in 2008 and 2009. Slashing taxes on the
25:57
wealthy hasn't worked. And a lot of really smart,
26:00
wealthy people know that. And they are saying,
26:03
hey, we need to do more to make the contributions
26:06
we should be making to rebuild the middle class.
26:09
I don't think top -down works in America. I think
26:13
building the middle class, investing in the middle
26:15
class— Making college debt -free so more young
26:18
people can get their education. Helping people
26:21
refinance their debt from college at a lower
26:25
rate. Those are the kinds of things that will
26:27
really boost the economy. Broad -based, inclusive
26:31
growth is what we need in America, not more advantages
26:35
for people at the very top. Mr. Trump, we're
26:39
talking— Typical politician. All talk, no action.
26:43
Sounds good, doesn't work. Never going to happen.
26:47
Our country is suffering because people like
26:50
Secretary Clinton have made such bad decisions
26:54
in terms of our jobs and in terms of what's going
26:57
on. Now, look, we have the worst revival of an
27:01
economy since the Great Depression. And believe
27:04
me, we're in a bubble right now. And the only
27:06
thing that looks good is the stock market. But
27:09
if you raise interest rates even a little bit,
27:11
that's going to come crashing down. We are in
27:13
a big, fat... ugly bubble and we better be awfully
27:16
careful and we have a fed that's doing political
27:19
things this janet yellen of the fed the fed is
27:24
doing political by keeping the interest rates
27:26
at this level and believe me the day obama goes
27:29
off and he leaves and he goes out to the golf
27:31
course for the rest of his life to play golf
27:33
when they raise interest rates you're going to
27:36
see some very bad things happen because the fed
27:38
is not doing their job the fed is being more
27:41
political than Mr. Trump, we're talking about
27:45
the burden that Americans have to pay, yet you
27:48
have not released your tax returns. And the reason
27:50
nominees have released their returns for decades
27:53
is so that voters will know— if their potential
27:56
president owes money to, who he owes it to, and
28:00
any business conflicts. Don't Americans have
28:03
a right to know if there are any conflicts of
28:04
interest? I don't mind releasing. I'm under a
28:06
routine audit, and it'll be released. And as
28:09
soon as the audit's finished, it'll be released.
28:11
But you will learn more about Donald Trump by
28:14
going down to the federal elections, where I
28:17
filed a 104 -page, essentially financial statement
28:21
of sorts, the forms that they have. it shows
28:24
income in fact the income i just looked today
28:27
the income is filed at 694 million dollars for
28:32
this past year 694 million if you would have
28:35
told me i was going to make that 15 or 20 years
28:37
ago i would have been very surprised but that's
28:39
the kind of thinking that our country needs when
28:41
we have a country that's doing so badly that's
28:44
being ripped off by every single country in the
28:47
world it's the kind of thinking that our country
28:51
needs because everybody Lester, we have a trade
28:55
deficit with all of the countries that we do
28:58
business with of almost $800 billion a year.
29:02
You know what that is? That means who's negotiating
29:04
these trade deals? We have people that are political
29:08
hacks negotiating our trade deals. The IRS says
29:11
a profit of your taxes, you're perfectly free
29:14
to release. Your taxes during an audit and so
29:17
the question does the public it's right to know
29:19
outweigh your personal Well, I told you I will
29:21
release them as soon as the audit look I've been
29:24
under audit almost for 15 years I know a lot
29:27
of wealthy people that have never been audited.
29:29
I said you get audited I get audited almost every
29:32
year and in a way I should be complaining. I'm
29:34
not even complaining. I don't mind it It's almost
29:36
become a way of life. I get audited by the IRS
29:39
But other people don't. I will say this. We have
29:43
a situation in this country that has to be taken
29:46
care of. I will release my tax returns against
29:50
my lawyer's wishes when she releases her 33 ,000
29:55
emails that have been deleted. As soon as she
29:58
releases them, I will release. I will release
30:02
my tax returns. And that's against my lawyers.
30:05
They say, don't do it. I will tell you this.
30:07
No. In fact, watching shows, reading the papers.
30:12
Almost every lawyer says, you don't release your
30:14
returns until the audit's complete. When the
30:16
audit's complete, I'll do it. But I would go
30:18
against them if she releases her email. So it's
30:21
negotiable? It's not negotiable. No, let her
30:24
release the email. Why did she delete 33 ,000?
30:27
I'll let her ask that, but let me just admonish
30:29
the audience one more time. There was an agreement.
30:31
We did ask you to be silent, so it would be helpful
30:33
for us. Secretary Clinton. Well, I think you've
30:36
just seen another example of bait and switch
30:38
here. For 40 years, everyone running for president
30:42
has released their tax returns. You can go and
30:45
see nearly, I think, 39, 40 years of our tax
30:48
returns, but everyone has done it. We know the
30:51
IRS has made clear there is no prohibition on
30:54
releasing it when you're under audit. So you've
30:56
got to ask yourself, why won't he release his
31:00
tax returns? And I think there may be a couple
31:03
of reasons. First, maybe he's not as rich as
31:06
he says he is. Second, maybe he's not as charitable
31:09
as he claims to be. Third, we don't know all
31:14
of his business dealings, but we have been told
31:17
through investigative reporting that he owes
31:20
about $650 million to Wall Street and foreign
31:24
banks. Or maybe he doesn't want the American
31:27
people, all of you watching tonight. to know
31:30
that he's paid nothing in federal taxes, because
31:33
the only years that anybody has ever seen were
31:36
a couple of years when he had to turn them over
31:38
to state authorities when he was trying to get
31:41
a casino license, and they showed he didn't pay
31:43
any federal income tax. So, if he's paid zero,
31:47
that means zero for troops, zero for vets, zero
31:52
for schools or health. And I think probably he's
31:56
not all that enthusiastic about having the rest
32:00
of our country see what the real reasons are,
32:04
because it must be something really important,
32:07
even terrible, that he's trying to hide. And
32:09
the financial disclosure statement, they don't
32:12
give you the tax rate. They don't give you all
32:14
the details that tax returns would. And it just
32:18
seems to me that— This is something that the
32:21
American people deserve to see. And I have no
32:23
reason to believe that he's ever going to release
32:27
his tax returns, because there's something he's
32:30
hiding. And we'll guess. We'll keep guessing
32:33
at what it might be that he's hiding. But I think
32:36
the question is, were he ever to get near the
32:39
White House, what would be those conflicts? Who
32:43
does he owe money to? He owes you the answers
32:47
to that, and he should provide them. He also
32:50
raised the issue of your e -mails. Do you want
32:52
to respond to that? I do. You know, I made a
32:55
mistake using a private e -mail. That's for sure.
32:58
And if I had to do it over again, I would obviously
33:01
do it differently. But I'm not going to make
33:05
any excuses. It was a mistake, and I take responsibility
33:07
for that. Mr. Trump? That was more than a mistake.
33:13
That was done purposely, okay? That was not a
33:15
mistake. That was done purposely. When you have
33:18
your staff taking the Fifth Amendment, taking
33:22
the Fifth so they're not prosecuted, when you
33:25
have the man that set up the illegal server taking
33:28
the Fifth, I think it's disgraceful. And believe
33:31
me, this country really thinks it's disgraceful
33:35
also. As far as my tax returns... You don't learn
33:39
that much from tax returns, that I can tell you.
33:41
You learn a lot from financial disclosure. And
33:43
you should go down and take a look at that. The
33:46
other thing, I'm extremely underleveraged. The
33:49
report that said 650, which, by the way, a lot
33:52
of friends of mine that know my business said,
33:54
boy, that's really not a lot of money. It's not
33:56
a lot of money relative to what I had. The buildings
33:58
that were in question, they said in the same
34:00
report, which was actually wasn't even a bad
34:03
story, to be honest with you, but the buildings
34:05
are worth $3 .9 billion. And the 650 isn't even
34:09
on that. But it's not 650. It's much less than
34:12
that. But I could give you a list of banks. If
34:14
that would help you, I would give you a list
34:16
of banks. These are very fine institutions, very
34:19
fine banks. I could do that very quickly. I am
34:21
very underleveraged. I have a great company.
34:23
I have a tremendous income. And the reason I
34:26
say that is not in a braggadocious way. It's
34:28
because it's about time that this country had
34:32
somebody running it that has an idea about money.
34:36
Well, we have $20 trillion in debt, and our country's
34:39
a mess. You know, it's one thing to have $20
34:41
trillion in debt, and our roads are good, and
34:43
our bridges are good, and everything's in great
34:46
shape. Our airports are like from a third -world
34:49
country. You land at LaGuardia. You land at Kennedy.
34:52
You land at LAX. You land at Newark. And you
34:55
come in from Dubai and Qatar, and you see these
34:58
incredible—you come in from China. You see these
35:00
incredible airports. And you land—we've become
35:04
a third -world country. the worst of all things
35:07
has happened we owe 20 trillion dollars and we're
35:10
a mess we haven't even started and we've spent
35:13
six trillion dollars in the middle east according
35:16
to a report that i just saw whether it's six
35:20
or five but it looks like it's six six trillion
35:22
dollars in the middle east we could have rebuilt
35:25
our country twice and it's really a shame and
35:28
it's politicians like secretary clinton that
35:31
have caused this problem. Our country has tremendous
35:34
problems. We're a debtor nation. We're a serious
35:37
debtor nation. And we have a country that needs
35:40
new roads, new tunnels, new bridges, new airports,
35:42
new schools, new hospitals. And we don't have
35:46
the money because it's been squandered on so
35:48
many of your ideas. And maybe because you haven't
35:51
paid any federal income tax for a lot of years.
35:54
And the other thing I think is important— It
35:57
would be squandered, too. Believe me. If your
36:00
main claim to be president of the United States
36:03
is your business, then I think we should talk
36:06
about that. You know, your campaign manager said
36:09
that you built a lot of businesses on the backs
36:13
of little guys. And indeed, I have met a lot
36:17
of the people who were stiffed by you and your
36:20
businesses, Donald. I've met dishwashers, painters,
36:24
architects. glass installers, marble installers,
36:29
drapery installers like my dad was, who you refused
36:34
to pay when they finished the work that you asked
36:38
them to do. We have an architect in the audience
36:41
who designed one of your clubhouses at one of
36:44
your golf courses. It's a beautiful facility.
36:48
It immediately was put to use, and you wouldn't
36:52
pay what the man... needed to be paid what he
36:56
was charging. Maybe he didn't do a good job,
36:58
and I was unsatisfied with his work, which our
37:01
country should do, too. Do the thousands of people
37:03
that you have stiffed over the course of your
37:05
business not deserve some kind of apology from
37:11
someone who has taken their labor, taken the
37:15
goods that they produced? and then refuse to
37:17
pay them. I can only say that I'm certainly relieved
37:20
that my late father never did business with you.
37:23
He provided a good middle -class life for us,
37:25
but the people he worked for, he expected the
37:28
bargain to be kept on both sides. And when we
37:33
talk about your business, you've taken business
37:36
bankruptcy six times. There are a lot of great
37:40
business people that... have never taken bankruptcy
37:43
once. You call yourself the king of debt. You
37:47
talk about leverage. You even at one time suggested
37:50
that you would try to negotiate down the national
37:53
debt of the United States. Well, sometimes there's
37:58
not a direct transfer of skills from business
38:02
to government, but sometimes what happened in
38:05
business would be really bad for government.
38:08
And we need to be very clear about that. Look,
38:12
it's all words. It's all sound bites. I built
38:15
an unbelievable company. Some of the greatest
38:17
assets anywhere in the world, real estate assets
38:20
anywhere in the world, beyond the United States,
38:22
in Europe, lots of different places. It's an
38:25
unbelievable company. But on occasion, four times,
38:30
we used certain laws that are there. And when
38:34
Secretary Clinton talks about people that didn't
38:38
get paid... First of all, they did get paid a
38:41
lot, but taking advantage of the laws of the
38:44
nation. Now, if you want to change the laws,
38:46
you've been there a long time, change the laws.
38:48
But I take advantage of the laws of the nation
38:51
because I'm running a company. My obligation
38:54
right now is to do well for myself, my family,
38:57
my employees, for my companies. And that's what
39:00
I do. But what she doesn't say is the tens of
39:03
thousands of people that are. unbelievably happy
39:07
and that love me I'll give you an example we're
39:10
just opening up on Pennsylvania Avenue right
39:13
next to the White House so if I don't get there
39:16
one way I'm gonna get to Pennsylvania Avenue
39:18
another but we're opening the old post office
39:23
under budget ahead of schedule save tremendous
39:27
money I'm a year ahead of schedule And that's
39:30
what this country should be doing. We build roads,
39:33
and they cost two and three and four times what
39:35
they're supposed to cost. We buy products for
39:38
our military, and they come at costs that are
39:40
so far above what they were supposed to be, because
39:42
we don't have people that know what they're doing.
39:45
When we look at the budget, the budget is bad
39:48
to a large extent because we have people that
39:50
have no idea as to what to do and how to buy.
39:55
Trump International is way under budget and way
39:59
ahead of schedule, and we should be able to do
40:01
that for our country. Well, we're well behind
40:04
schedule, so I want to move to our next segment.
40:06
We move into our next segment talking about America's
40:09
direction, and let's start by talking about race.
40:11
The share of Americans who say race relations
40:14
are bad in this country is the highest it's been
40:16
in decades, much of it amplified by shootings
40:19
of African Americans by police, as we've seen
40:22
recently in Charlotte and Tulsa. Race has been
40:25
a big issue in this campaign, and one of you
40:27
is going to have to bridge a very wide and bitter
40:29
gap. So how do you heal the divide? Secretary
40:32
Clinton, you get two minutes on this. Well, you're
40:35
right. Race remains a significant challenge in
40:41
our country. Unfortunately, race still determines
40:44
too much, often determines where people live,
40:47
determines what kind of education. in their public
40:51
schools they can get and yes it determines how
40:54
they're treated in the criminal justice system
40:56
we've just seen those two tragic examples in
40:59
both tulsa and charlotte and we've got to do
41:03
several things at the same time we have to restore
41:09
trust between communities and the police we have
41:15
to work to make sure that our police are using
41:19
the best training, the best techniques, that
41:22
they're well prepared to use force only when
41:26
necessary. Everyone should be respected by the
41:31
law, and everyone should respect the law. Right
41:36
now, that's not the case in a lot of our neighborhoods.
41:39
So I have, ever since the first day of my campaign,
41:43
called for criminal justice reform. I've laid
41:45
out a platform that I think would begin to remedy
41:49
some of the problems we have in the criminal
41:51
justice system. But we also have to recognize,
41:55
in addition to the challenges that we face with
41:58
policing, there are so many good, brave police
42:01
officers who equally want reform. So we have
42:04
to bring communities together in order to begin
42:07
working on that as a mutual goal. And we've got
42:11
to get... guns out of the hands of people who
42:14
should not have them. The gun epidemic is the
42:18
leading cause of death of young African -American
42:21
men, more than the next nine causes put together.
42:25
So we have to do two things, as I said. We have
42:27
to restore trust. We have to work with the police.
42:30
We have to make sure they respect the communities
42:32
and the communities respect them. And we have
42:34
to tackle the plague. of gun violence, which
42:38
is a big contributor to a lot of the problems
42:40
that we're seeing today. All right, Mr. Trump,
42:42
you have two minutes. How do you heal the divide?
42:44
Well, first of all, Secretary Clinton doesn't
42:47
want to use a couple of words, and that's law
42:50
and order. And we need law and order. If we don't
42:54
have it, we're not going to have a country. And
42:57
when I look at what's going on in Charlotte,
43:00
a city I love, a city where I have investments,
43:02
when I look at what's going on throughout various
43:04
parts of our country, whether it's—I mean, I
43:07
can just keep naming them all day long. We need
43:09
law and order in our country. And I just got
43:13
today, as you know, the endorsement of the fraternal
43:17
order. of police. We just came in. We have endorsements
43:21
from, I think, almost every police group, very—I
43:25
mean, a large percentage of them in the United
43:27
States. We have a situation where we have our
43:32
inner cities, African Americans, Hispanics, are
43:36
living in hell because it's so dangerous. You
43:40
walk down the street, you get shot. In Chicago,
43:43
they've had And thousands of shootings, thousands
43:47
since January 1st, thousands of shootings. And
43:53
I'm saying, where is this? Is this a war -torn
43:55
country? What are we doing? And we have to stop
43:58
the violence. We have to bring back law and order
44:01
in a place like Chicago, where thousands of people
44:04
have been killed, thousands over the last number
44:07
of years. In fact, almost 4 ,000 have been killed
44:09
since Barack Obama became president, over four—
44:13
Almost 4 ,000 people in Chicago have been killed.
44:17
We have to bring back law and order. Now, whether
44:20
or not in a place like Chicago you do stop and
44:23
frisk, which worked very well. Mayor Giuliani
44:25
is here. It worked very well in New York. It
44:27
brought the crime rate way down. But you take
44:30
the gun away from criminals that shouldn't be
44:32
having it. We have gangs roaming the street.
44:35
And in many cases, they're illegally here, illegal
44:38
immigrants. And they have guns, and they shoot
44:41
people. And we have to be very strong, and we
44:43
have to be very vigilant. We have to be—we have
44:46
to know what we're doing. Right now, our police,
44:49
in many cases, are afraid to do anything. We
44:52
have to protect our inner cities, because African
44:56
-American communities are being decimated by
45:00
crime, decimated. Your two minutes have expired,
45:02
but I do want to follow up. Stop and Frisk was
45:04
ruled unconstitutional in New York because it
45:07
largely singled out— black and Hispanic young
45:10
men. No, you're wrong. It went before a judge
45:15
who was a very against police judge. It was taken
45:19
away from her, and our mayor, our new mayor,
45:23
refused to go forward with the case. They would
45:25
have won her appeal. If you look at it throughout
45:28
the country, there are many places where it's
45:29
allowed. The argument is that it's a form of
45:31
racial profiling. No, the argument is that we
45:34
have to take the guns away from these people
45:35
that have them and that are bad people that shouldn't
45:37
have them. These are felons. These are people
45:40
that are bad people that shouldn't be... When
45:43
you have 3 ,000 shootings in Chicago from January
45:47
1st, when you have 4 ,000 people killed in Chicago
45:51
by guns from the beginning of the presidency
45:55
of Barack Obama, his hometown, you have to stop
45:59
and frisk. You need more police? You need a better
46:02
community, you know, relation. You don't have
46:06
good community relations in Chicago. It's terrible.
46:09
I have property there. It's terrible what's going
46:11
on in Chicago. But when you look—and Chicago's
46:14
not the only. You go to Ferguson. You go to so
46:16
many different places. You need better relationships.
46:19
I agree with Secretary Clinton on this. You need
46:22
better relationships between the communities
46:24
and the police, because in some cases it's not
46:26
good. But you look at Dallas, where the relationships
46:29
were really studied. The relationships were really
46:32
a beautiful thing. And then five police officers
46:37
were killed one night very violently. So there's
46:41
some bad things going on, some really bad things.
46:44
But we need—we need law and order. And we need
46:47
law and order in the inner cities, because the
46:51
people that are most affected by what's happening
46:53
are African American and Hispanic people. And
46:57
it's very unfair to them. what our politicians
47:00
are allowing to happen secretary well i've heard
47:05
i've heard donald say this at his rallies and
47:08
it's it's really unfortunate that he paints such
47:13
a dire negative picture of black communities
47:18
in our country you know the vibrancy of the black
47:21
church the black businesses that employ so many
47:25
people the opportunities that so many families
47:29
are working to provide for their kids. There's
47:33
a lot that we should be proud of and we should
47:36
be supporting and lifting up. But we do always
47:39
have to make sure we keep people safe. There
47:42
are the right ways of doing it, and then there
47:44
are ways that are ineffective. Stop and Frisk
47:47
was found to be unconstitutional, and in part
47:51
because it was ineffective. It did not do what
47:56
it needed to do. Now, I believe in community
47:58
policing. And, in fact, violent crime is one
48:02
half of what it was in 1991. Property crime is
48:06
down 40 percent. We just don't want to see it
48:09
creep back up. We've had 25 years of very good
48:14
cooperation, but there were some problems, some
48:18
unintended consequences. Too many young African
48:21
American and Latino men ended up in jail for
48:25
nonviolent offenses. And it's just a fact that
48:29
if you're a young African -American man and you
48:31
do the same thing as a young white man, you are
48:34
more likely to be arrested, charged, convicted
48:38
and incarcerated. So we've got to address the
48:42
systemic racism in our criminal justice system.
48:45
We cannot just say law and order. We have to
48:50
say We have to come forward with a plan that
48:54
is going to divert people from the criminal justice
48:57
system, deal with mandatory minimum sentences,
49:01
which have put too many people away for too long
49:03
for doing too little. We need to have more second
49:06
-chance programs. I'm glad that we're ending
49:09
private prisons in the federal system. I want
49:12
to see them ended in the state system. You shouldn't
49:14
have a profit motivation to fill prison cells
49:18
with young Americans. So there are some positive
49:21
ways we can work on this. And I believe strongly
49:25
that common -sense gun safety measures would
49:30
assist us right now. And this is something Donald
49:33
has supported. Along with the gun lobby, right
49:36
now, we've got too many military -style weapons
49:39
on the streets. In a lot of places, our police
49:42
are outgunned. We need comprehensive background
49:45
checks, and we need to keep guns out of the hands
49:50
of those who will do harm. And we finally need
49:53
to pass a prohibition on anyone who's on the
49:56
terrorist watch list from being able to buy a
49:59
gun in our country. If you're too dangerous to
50:01
fly, You are too dangerous to buy a gun. So there
50:05
are things we can do, and we ought to do it in
50:07
a bipartisan way. Secretary Clinton, last week
50:09
you said we've got to do everything possible
50:10
to improve policing to go right at implicit bias.
50:14
Do you believe that police are implicitly biased
50:16
against black people? Lester, I think implicit
50:19
bias is a problem for everyone, not just police.
50:22
I think, unfortunately, too many of us in our
50:26
great country jump to conclusions about each
50:30
other. And therefore, I think we need all of
50:33
us to be asking hard questions about, you know,
50:37
why am I feeling this way? But when it comes
50:41
to policing, since it can have literally fatal
50:44
consequences, I have said in my first budget
50:47
we would put money into that budget. to help
50:51
us deal with implicit bias by retraining a lot
50:55
of our police officers. I've met with a group
50:57
of very distinguished, experienced police chiefs
51:00
a few weeks ago. They admit it's an issue. They've
51:03
got a lot of concerns. Mental health is one of
51:06
the biggest concerns, because now police are
51:08
having to handle a lot of really difficult mental
51:10
health problems on the street. They want support.
51:14
They want more training. They want more assistance.
51:16
And I think the federal government could be in
51:19
a position where we would offer and provide that.
51:22
I'd like to respond. Please. First of all, I
51:26
agree, and a lot of people, even within my own
51:28
party, want to give certain rights to people
51:31
on watch lists and no -fly lists. I agree with
51:34
you. When a person is on a watch list or a no
51:36
-fly list, and I have the endorsement of the
51:38
NRA, which I'm very proud of. These are very,
51:41
very good people, and they're protecting the
51:43
Second Amendment. But I think we have to look
51:46
very strongly at no -fly lists and watch lists.
51:48
And when people are on there, even if they shouldn't
51:50
be on there, we'll help them. We'll help them
51:52
legally. We'll help them get off. But I tend
51:55
to agree with that quite strongly. I do want
51:58
to bring up the fact that you were the one that
52:00
brought up the word super predator. about young
52:03
black youth and that's a term that i think was
52:06
a horror it's been horribly met as you know i
52:09
think you've apologized for it but i think it
52:12
was a terrible thing to say and when it comes
52:15
to uh stop and frisk you know you're talking
52:18
about taking guns away well i'm talking about
52:19
taking guns away from gangs and people that use
52:22
them And I don't think, I really don't think
52:24
you disagree with me on this, if you want to
52:26
know the truth. I think maybe there's a political
52:28
reason why you can't say it, but I really don't
52:30
believe. In New York City, stop and frisk, we
52:33
had 2 ,200 murders, and stop and frisk brought
52:37
it down to 500 murders. 500 murders is a lot
52:40
of murders. Hard to believe 500 is, like, supposed
52:43
to be good. But we went from 2 ,200 to 500, and
52:48
it was continued on by Mayor Bloomberg, and it
52:51
was terminated by a current mayor. But stop and
52:53
frisk had a tremendous impact on the safety of
52:56
New York City, tremendous, beyond belief. So,
52:59
when you say it has no impact, it really did.
53:01
It had a very, very big impact. AMY GOODMAN.
53:03
Well, it's also fair to say, if we're going to
53:05
talk about mayors, that— Under the current mayor,
53:08
crime has continued to drop, including murders.
53:11
So there is— You're wrong. You're wrong. No,
53:13
I'm not. Murders are up. All right. You check
53:15
it. New York has done an excellent job. And I
53:18
give credit. I give credit across the board going
53:21
back to mayors, to police chiefs, because it
53:26
has worked. And other communities need to come
53:29
together to do what will work as well. Look,
53:33
one murder is too many. But it is important that
53:37
we learn about what has been effective and not
53:41
go to things that sound good that really did
53:44
not have the kind of impact that we would want.
53:47
Who disagrees with keeping neighborhoods safe?
53:50
But let's also add, no one should disagree about
53:55
respecting the rights of young men. who live
53:59
in those neighborhoods. And so we need to do
54:02
a better job of working again with the communities,
54:06
faith communities, business communities, as well
54:09
as the police, to try to deal with this problem.
54:12
This conversation is about race, and so, Mr.
54:14
Trump, I have to ask you— But I'd like to just
54:15
respond, if I might. Please, 20 seconds. I'd
54:18
just like to respond. Please respond, then I've
54:19
got a follow -up for you. I will. Look, the African
54:22
-American community has been let down by our
54:24
politicians. They talk good around election time,
54:27
like right now. And after the election, they
54:30
said, see you later. I'll see you in four years.
54:32
The African -American community—look, the community
54:36
within the inner cities has been so badly treated.
54:41
They've been abused and used in order to get
54:43
votes by Democrat politicians, because that's
54:47
what it is. They've controlled these communities
54:48
for up to 100 years. Mr. Trump, let me— Unbroken.
54:52
And I will tell you— You look at the inner cities,
54:55
and I just left Detroit, and I just left Philadelphia,
54:57
and I just, you know, you've seen me. I've been
54:59
all over the place. You decided to stay home,
55:03
and that's okay. But I will tell you, I've been
55:05
all over, and I've met some of the greatest people
55:08
I'll ever meet within these communities, and
55:11
they are very, very upset with what their politicians
55:14
have told them and what their politicians have
55:16
done. I think Donald just criticized me for...
55:22
preparing for this debate. And yes, I did. And
55:27
you know what else I prepared for? I prepared
55:29
to be president. And I think that's a good thing.
55:33
Mr. Trump, for five years, you perpetuated a
55:36
false claim that the nation's first black president
55:38
was not a natural -born citizen. You questioned
55:41
his legitimacy. In the last couple of weeks,
55:43
you acknowledged what most Americans have accepted
55:45
for years, the president was born in the United
55:48
States. Can you tell us what took you so long?
55:50
I'll tell you very, well, just very simple to
55:53
say. Sidney Blumenthal works for the campaign
55:58
and close, very close friend of Secretary Clinton.
56:03
her campaign manager, Patty Doyle, went to, during
56:09
the campaign, her campaign against President
56:11
Obama, fought very hard. And you can go look
56:14
it up and you can check it out. And if you look
56:16
at CNN this past week, Patty Solis Doyle was
56:21
on Wolf Blitzer saying that this happened. Blumenthal
56:26
sent McClatchy, highly respected reporter at
56:29
McClatchy, to Kenya. to find out about it they
56:33
were pressing it very hard she failed to get
56:36
the birth certificate when I got involved I didn't
56:39
fail I got him to give The birth certificate.
56:43
So I'm satisfied with it. And I'll tell you why
56:45
I'm satisfied with it. Because I want to get
56:47
on to defeating ISIS. Because I want to get on
56:51
to creating jobs. Because I want to get on to
56:53
having a strong border. Because I want to get
56:56
on to things that are very important to me and
56:58
that are very important to the country. I'll
57:00
let you respond. That's important. But I just
57:02
want to get the answer here. The birth certificate
57:04
was produced in 2011. You continued to tell the
57:07
story and question the president's legitimacy
57:09
in 2012, 13, 14, 15, as recently as January.
57:14
So the question is, what changed your mind? Well,
57:16
nobody was pressing it. Nobody was caring much
57:19
about it. I figured you'd ask the question tonight,
57:21
of course. But nobody was caring much about it.
57:24
But I was the one that got him to produce the
57:27
birth certificate. And I think I did a good job.
57:31
Secretary Clinton. also fought it. I mean, you
57:34
know, now everybody in mainstream is going to
57:36
say, oh, that's not true. Look, it's true. Sidney
57:38
Blumenthal sent a reporter. You just have to
57:42
take a look at CNN the last week, the interview
57:45
with your former campaign manager, and she was
57:48
involved. But just like she can't bring back
57:51
jobs, she can't produce. I'm sorry, I'm just
57:54
going to follow up, and I will let you respond
57:55
to that, because there's a lot there. But we're
57:57
talking about racial healing in this segment.
57:59
What do you say to Americans— Well, it was very—I
58:02
say nothing. I say nothing, because I was able
58:04
to get him to produce it. He should have produced
58:05
it a long time before. I say nothing. But let
58:08
me just tell you, when you talk about healing,
58:10
I think that I've developed very, very good relationships
58:13
over the last little while with the African -American
58:18
community. I think you can see that. I feel that
58:22
they really wanted me to come to that conclusion.
58:25
And I think I did a great job and a great service,
58:28
not only for the country, but even for the president,
58:31
in getting him to produce his birth certificate.
58:33
Secretary Clinton. Well, just listen to what
58:37
you heard. And clearly, as Donald just admitted,
58:43
he knew he was going to stand on this debate
58:45
stage and Lester Holt was going to be asking
58:47
us questions. So he tried to put the whole racist
58:50
birther lie to bed. But it can't be dismissed
58:56
that easily. He has really started his political
59:02
activity based on this racist lie that our first
59:06
black president was not an American citizen.
59:10
There was absolutely no evidence for it, but
59:14
he persisted. He persisted year after year because
59:17
some of his supporters, people that he was trying
59:22
to bring into his fold, apparently believed it
59:25
or wanted to believe it. But remember, Donald
59:28
started his career back in 1973 being sued by
59:35
the Justice Department for racial discrimination
59:37
because he would not rent apartments in one of
59:42
his developments to African Americans, and he
59:44
made sure that the people who worked for him
59:47
understood that was the policy. He actually was
59:50
sued twice by the Justice Department. So he has
59:53
a long record of engaging in racist behavior.
1:00:00
And the birther lie was a very hurtful one. You
1:00:05
know, Barack Obama is a man of great dignity.
1:00:09
And I could tell how much it bothered him and
1:00:12
annoyed him that this was being touted and used
1:00:17
against him. I'd like to remember what Michelle
1:00:22
Obama said in her amazing speech at our Democratic
1:00:25
National Convention. When they go low, we go
1:00:29
high. And Barack Obama went high, despite Donald
1:00:33
Trump's best efforts to bring him down. with
1:00:45
terrible disrespect. And I watched the way you
1:00:48
talk now about how lovely everything is and how
1:00:51
wonderful you are. It doesn't work that way.
1:00:53
You were after him. You were trying to. You even
1:00:56
sent out or your campaign sent out pictures of
1:00:59
him in a certain garb, very famous pictures.
1:01:01
I don't think you can deny that. But just last
1:01:04
week, your campaign manager said it was true.
1:01:06
So when you try to act holier than thou. It really
1:01:10
doesn't work. It really doesn't. Now, as far
1:01:12
as the lawsuit, yes, when I was very young, I
1:01:15
went into my father's company. He had a real
1:01:17
estate company in Brooklyn and Queens. And we,
1:01:20
along with many, many other companies throughout
1:01:22
the country, as a federal lawsuit, were sued.
1:01:25
We settled the suit with zero, with no admission
1:01:29
of guilt. It was very easy to do. But they sued
1:01:32
many people. I notice you bring that up a lot.
1:01:35
And, you know, I also notice the very nasty commercials
1:01:37
that you do on me in so many different ways,
1:01:39
which I don't do on you. Maybe I'm trying to
1:01:41
save the money. But, frankly, I look at that
1:01:45
and I say, isn't that amazing? Because I settled
1:01:48
that lawsuit with no admission of guilt. But
1:01:52
that was a lawsuit brought against many real
1:01:54
estate firms. And it's just one of those things.
1:01:57
I'll go on one step further. In Palm Beach, Florida,
1:02:00
tough community, a brilliant community, a wealthy
1:02:03
community, probably the wealthiest community
1:02:05
there is in the world. I opened a club and really
1:02:10
got great credit for it. No discrimination against
1:02:14
African -Americans, against Muslims, against
1:02:18
anybody. And it's a tremendously successful club.
1:02:23
And I'm so glad I did it. And I have been given
1:02:28
great credit. for what I did. And I'm very, very
1:02:31
proud of it. And that's the way I feel. That
1:02:34
is the true way I feel. Our next segment is called
1:02:37
Securing America. We want to start with a 21st
1:02:40
century war happening every day in this country.
1:02:43
Our institutions are under cyber attack and our
1:02:46
secrets are being stolen. So my question is,
1:02:48
who's behind it and how do we fight it? Secretary
1:02:51
Clinton, this answer goes to you. Well, I think
1:02:55
cybersecurity. cyber warfare will be one of the
1:02:58
biggest challenges facing the next president
1:03:00
because clearly we're facing at this point two
1:03:04
different kinds of adversaries there are the
1:03:06
independent hacking groups that do it mostly
1:03:10
for commercial reasons to try to steal information
1:03:14
that they then can use to make money but increasingly
1:03:18
we are seeing cyber attacks coming from states
1:03:21
organs of states the most Recent and troubling
1:03:26
of these has been Russia. There's no doubt now
1:03:29
that Russia has used cyberattacks against all
1:03:33
kinds of organizations in our country, and I
1:03:36
am deeply concerned about this. I know Donald's
1:03:40
very praiseworthy of Vladimir Putin, but Putin
1:03:45
is playing a really tough, long game here. And
1:03:48
one of the things he's done is to let loose.
1:03:51
cyber attackers, to hack into government files,
1:03:56
to hack into personal files, hack into the Democratic
1:03:58
National Committee. And we recently have learned
1:04:02
that, you know, that this is one of their preferred
1:04:06
methods of trying to wreak havoc and collect
1:04:10
information. We need to make it very clear, whether
1:04:14
it's Russia, China, Iran or anybody else, the
1:04:17
United States has much greater capacity. And
1:04:22
we are not going to sit idly by and permit state
1:04:25
actors to go after our information, our private
1:04:29
sector information or our public sector information.
1:04:33
And we're going to have to make it clear that
1:04:35
we don't want to use the kinds of tools that
1:04:39
we have. We don't want to engage in a different
1:04:42
kind of warfare. But we will defend the citizens
1:04:45
of this country. And the Russians need to understand
1:04:48
that. I think they've been treating it as almost
1:04:51
a probing. How far would we go? How much would
1:04:54
we do? And that's why I was so shocked when Donald
1:04:58
publicly invited Putin to hack into Americans.
1:05:02
That is just unacceptable. It's one of the reasons
1:05:05
why 50 national security officials who served
1:05:09
in Republican administration have said that—
1:05:14
Donald is unfit to be the commander -in -chief.
1:05:16
It's comments like that that really worry people
1:05:20
who understand the threats that we face. Mr.
1:05:22
Trump, you have two minutes on the same question.
1:05:24
Who's behind it? I do want to say that I was
1:05:27
just endorsed, and more are coming next week.
1:05:29
It'll be over 200 admirals. Many of them are
1:05:32
here. Admirals and generals endorsed me to lead
1:05:37
this country. That just happened, and many more
1:05:40
are coming. And I'm very proud of it. In addition,
1:05:44
I was just endorsed by ICE. They've never endorsed
1:05:46
anybody before on immigration. I was just endorsed
1:05:49
by ICE. I was just recently endorsed 16 ,500
1:05:53
Border Patrol agents. So when Secretary Clinton
1:05:56
talks about this, I mean, I'll take the admirals
1:05:59
and I'll take the generals any day over the political
1:06:02
hacks that I see that have led our country so
1:06:05
brilliantly over the last 10 years with their
1:06:07
knowledge, OK? Because look at the mess that
1:06:09
we're in. Look at the mess that we're in. As
1:06:11
far as the cyber, I agree to parts of what Secretary
1:06:15
Clinton said. We should be better than anybody
1:06:18
else, and perhaps we're not. I don't think anybody
1:06:20
knows it was Russia that broke into the DNC.
1:06:23
She's saying Russia, Russia, Russia, but I don't—maybe
1:06:25
it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could
1:06:27
also be China. It could also be lots of other
1:06:29
people. It also could be somebody sitting on
1:06:31
their bed that weighs 400 pounds, OK? You don't
1:06:35
know who broke in to— DNC. But what did we learn
1:06:38
with DNC? We learned that Bernie Sanders was
1:06:42
taken advantage of by your people, by Debbie
1:06:47
Wasserman Schultz. Look what happened to her.
1:06:49
But Bernie Sanders was taken advantage of. That's
1:06:53
what we learned. Now, whether that was Russia,
1:06:55
whether that was China, whether it was another
1:06:57
country, we don't know, because the truth is,
1:07:00
under President Obama, we've lost control of
1:07:03
things that we used to have control over. We
1:07:06
came in with the Internet. We came up with the
1:07:08
Internet. And I think Secretary Clinton and myself
1:07:11
would agree very much. When you look at what
1:07:13
ISIS is doing with the Internet, they're beating
1:07:16
us at our own game. ISIS. So we have to get very,
1:07:20
very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is
1:07:24
a huge problem. I have a son. He's 10 years old.
1:07:27
He has computers. He is so good with these computers.
1:07:30
It's unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber
1:07:34
is very, very tough, and maybe it's hardly doable.
1:07:39
But I will say we are not doing the job we should
1:07:42
be doing. But that's true throughout our whole
1:07:44
governmental society. We have so many things
1:07:47
that we have to do better, Lester, and certainly
1:07:49
cyber is one of them. Secretary Clinton? Well,
1:07:53
I think there are a number of issues that we
1:07:55
should be addressing. I have put forth a plan
1:07:59
to defeat ISIS. It does involve going after them
1:08:03
online. I think we need to do much more with
1:08:06
our tech companies to prevent ISIS and their
1:08:10
operatives from being able to use the Internet
1:08:14
to radicalize, even direct people in our country,
1:08:18
in Europe and elsewhere. But we also have to
1:08:21
intensify our air strikes against ISIS and eventually
1:08:26
support our Arab and Kurdish — partners to be
1:08:31
able to actually take out ISIS in Raqqa and their
1:08:36
claim of being a caliphate. We're making progress.
1:08:39
Our military is assisting in Iraq, and we're
1:08:43
hoping that within the year we'll be able to
1:08:46
push ISIS out of Iraq and then, you know, really
1:08:49
squeeze them in Syria. But we have to be cognizant
1:08:53
of the fact that they've had foreign fighters
1:08:56
coming to volunteer for them foreign money. foreign
1:09:00
weapons. So we have to make this the top priority.
1:09:04
And I would also do everything possible to take
1:09:07
out their leadership. I was involved in a number
1:09:11
of efforts to take out al -Qaeda leadership when
1:09:13
I was secretary of state, including, of course,
1:09:15
taking out bin Laden. And I think we need to
1:09:17
go after Baghdadi as well, make that one of our
1:09:21
organizing principles, because we've got to defeat
1:09:24
ISIS and we've got to do everything we can to
1:09:27
disrupt their propaganda efforts online. You
1:09:31
mentioned ISIS, and we think of ISIS certainly
1:09:33
as over there. But there are American citizens
1:09:35
who have been inspired to commit acts of terror
1:09:38
on American soil. The latest incident, of course,
1:09:40
the bombings we just saw in New York and New
1:09:42
Jersey, the knife attack at a mall in Minnesota,
1:09:45
and the last year, deadly attacks in San Bernardino
1:09:48
and Orlando. I'll ask this to both of you. Tell
1:09:51
us specifically how you would prevent homegrown
1:09:53
attacks. by American citizens, Mr. Trump? Well,
1:09:56
first I have to say one thing, very important.
1:10:00
Secretary Clinton is talking about taking out
1:10:02
ISIS. We will take out ISIS. Well, President
1:10:06
Obama and Secretary Clinton created a vacuum
1:10:09
the way they got out of Iraq. Because they got
1:10:13
out, they shouldn't have been in, but once they
1:10:15
got in, the way they got out was a disaster.
1:10:18
And ISIS was formed. So she talks about taking
1:10:20
them out. She's been doing it a long time. She's
1:10:22
been trying to take them out for a long time.
1:10:24
But they wouldn't have even been formed if they
1:10:28
left some troops behind, like 10 ,000 or maybe
1:10:32
something more than that. And then you wouldn't
1:10:34
have had them. Or, as I've been saying for a
1:10:36
long time, and I think you'll agree because I
1:10:38
said it to you once, had we taken the oil, and
1:10:41
we should have taken the oil, ISIS would not
1:10:44
have been able to form either because the oil
1:10:46
was their primary source of income. And now they
1:10:50
have the oil all over the place, including the
1:10:52
oil, a lot of the oil in Libya, which was another
1:10:55
one of her disasters. Secretary Clinton. Well,
1:10:59
I hope the fact -checkers are turning up the
1:11:01
volume and really working hard. Donald supported
1:11:05
the invasion of Iraq. Wrong. That is absolutely
1:11:09
proved over and over again. We actually advocated
1:11:12
for the actions we took in Libya and urged that
1:11:16
Gaddafi be taken out after actually doing...
1:11:20
business with him one time. But the larger point—he
1:11:23
says this constantly—is George W. Bush made the
1:11:29
agreement about when American troops would leave
1:11:32
Iraq, not Barack Obama. And the only way that
1:11:37
American troops could have stayed in Iraq is
1:11:40
to get an agreement from the then -Iraqi government
1:11:43
that would have protected our troops. And the
1:11:46
Iraqi government would not give that. But let's
1:11:50
talk about the question you asked, Lester. The
1:11:53
question you asked is, what do we do here in
1:11:54
the United States? That's the most important
1:11:56
part of this. How do we prevent attacks? How
1:11:59
do we protect our people? And I think we've got
1:12:02
to have an intelligence surge where we are looking
1:12:05
for... every scrap of information i was so proud
1:12:09
of law enforcement in new york in minnesota in
1:12:13
new jersey you know they responded so quickly
1:12:16
so professionally to the attacks that occurred
1:12:19
by rahami and they brought him down and we may
1:12:23
find out more information because he is still
1:12:26
alive which may prove to be an intelligence benefit
1:12:29
so we've got to do everything we can to vacuum
1:12:34
up intelligence from Europe, from the Middle
1:12:36
East. That means we've got to work more closely
1:12:39
with our allies. And that's something that Donald
1:12:42
has been very dismissive of. We're working with
1:12:45
NATO, the longest military alliance in the history
1:12:49
of the world, to really turn our attention to
1:12:52
terrorism. We're working with our friends in
1:12:55
the Middle East, many of which, as you know,
1:12:57
are Muslim -majority nations. Donald has consistently
1:13:01
insulted Muslims abroad, Muslims at home, when
1:13:04
we need to be cooperating with Muslim nations
1:13:07
and with the American Muslim community. They're
1:13:10
on the front lines. They can provide information
1:13:13
to us that we might not get. anywhere else. They
1:13:16
need to have close working cooperation with law
1:13:20
enforcement in these communities, not be alienated
1:13:23
and pushed away, as some of Donald's rhetoric,
1:13:27
unfortunately, has led to. Well, I'd have to
1:13:30
respond. Please respond. The secretary said very
1:13:35
strongly about working with—we've been working
1:13:37
with them for many years, and we have the greatest
1:13:40
mess anyone's ever seen. You look at the Middle
1:13:42
East, it's a total mess. under your direction
1:13:44
to a large extent. But you look at the Middle
1:13:47
East. You started the Iran deal. That's another
1:13:49
beauty, where you have a country that was ready
1:13:51
to fall. I mean, they were doing so badly. They
1:13:54
were choking on the sanctions. And now they're
1:13:56
going to be actually probably a major power at
1:13:59
some point pretty soon, the way they're going.
1:14:01
But when you look at NATO, I was asked on a major
1:14:04
show, what do you think of NATO? And you have
1:14:06
to understand, I'm a business person. I did really
1:14:09
well. But I have common sense. And I said, well,
1:14:12
I'll tell you. I haven't given lots of thought
1:14:14
to NATO, but two things. Number one, the 28 countries
1:14:17
of NATO, many of them aren't paying their fair
1:14:19
share. Number two, and that bothers me because
1:14:22
we should be – we're defending them, and they
1:14:24
should at least be paying us what they're supposed
1:14:26
to be paying by treaty and contract. And number
1:14:31
two, I said, and very strongly, NATO could be
1:14:34
obsolete because—and I was very strong on this,
1:14:36
and it was actually covered very accurately in
1:14:38
The New York Times, which is unusual for The
1:14:40
New York Times, to be honest. But I said, they
1:14:43
do not focus on terror. And I was very strong.
1:14:47
And I said it numerous times. And about four
1:14:50
months ago, I read on the front page of The Wall
1:14:52
Street Journal that NATO is opening up a major
1:14:55
terror division. And I think that's great. And
1:14:59
I think we should get, because we pay approximately
1:15:02
73 % of the cost of NATO, it's a lot of money,
1:15:05
to protect other people. But I'm all for NATO.
1:15:08
But I said they have to focus on terror also.
1:15:11
And they're going to do that. And that was, believe
1:15:13
me, I'm sure I'm not going to get credit for
1:15:15
it, but that was largely because of what I was
1:15:17
saying and my criticism of NATO. I think we have
1:15:21
to get NATO to go into the Middle East with us.
1:15:24
in addition to surrounding nations and we have
1:15:27
to knock the hell out of isis and we have to
1:15:30
do it fast when isis formed in this vacuum created
1:15:34
by barack obama and secretary clinton and believe
1:15:39
me you were the ones that took out the troops
1:15:41
not only that you named the day they couldn't
1:15:43
believe it they sat back probably and said i
1:15:45
can't believe it they said no wait a minute we've
1:15:47
covered when they formed when they formed this
1:15:50
is something that never should have happened
1:15:52
It should have never happened. Now, you're talking
1:15:54
about taking out ISIS, but you were there and
1:15:56
you were secretary of state when it was a little
1:15:59
infant. Now it's in over 30 countries, and you're
1:16:03
going to stop them? I don't think so. Mr. Trump,
1:16:05
a lot of these are judgment questions. You had
1:16:08
supported the war in Iraq before the invasion.
1:16:11
What makes your judgment— I did not support the
1:16:13
war in Iraq. That is a mainstream media nonsense
1:16:17
put out by her. Because she, frankly, I think
1:16:20
the best person in her campaign is mainstream
1:16:23
media. My question is, would you like to hear?
1:16:25
I was against the war. Wait a minute. I was against
1:16:29
the war in Iraq, just so you put it out. The
1:16:31
record shows otherwise. The record does not show
1:16:33
that. The record shows that I'm right. When I
1:16:37
did an interview with Howard Stern, very lightly,
1:16:40
first time anyone's asked me that, I said, very
1:16:43
lightly, I don't know, maybe, who knows, essentially.
1:16:46
I then did an interview. With Neil Cavuto, we
1:16:50
talked about the economy is more important. I
1:16:52
then spoke to Sean Hannity, which everybody refuses
1:16:55
to call Sean Hannity. I had numerous conversations
1:16:58
with Sean Hannity at Fox. And Sean Hannity said,
1:17:02
and he called me the other day, and I spoke to
1:17:05
him about it. He said, you were totally against
1:17:07
the war because he was for the war. Why is your
1:17:09
judgment better than his? And that was before
1:17:10
the war started. Sean Hannity said very strongly.
1:17:15
To me and other people, he's willing to say,
1:17:17
but nobody wants to call him, I was against the
1:17:20
war. He said, you used to have fights with me
1:17:21
because Sean was in favor of the war. And I understand
1:17:24
that side also, not very much because we should
1:17:27
have never been there. But nobody calls Sean
1:17:30
Hannity. And then they did an article in a major
1:17:32
magazine shortly after the war started, I think
1:17:36
in 2004, but they did an article which had me
1:17:40
totally against the war in Iraq. And one of your
1:17:43
compatriots said, you know, whether it was before
1:17:46
or right after, Trump was definitely, because
1:17:48
if you read this article, there's no doubt. But
1:17:50
if somebody, and I'll ask the press, if somebody
1:17:53
would call up Sean Hannity, this was before the
1:17:56
war started. He and I used to have arguments
1:17:59
about the war. I said it's a terrible and a stupid
1:18:01
thing. It's going to destabilize the Middle East,
1:18:04
and that's exactly what it's done. It's been
1:18:06
a disaster. My reference was to what you had
1:18:08
said in 2002, and my question was, why is your
1:18:10
judgment any different than Mrs. Clinton's? Well,
1:18:14
I have much better judgment than she does. There's
1:18:16
no question about that. I also have a much better
1:18:19
temperament than she has. You know? I have a
1:18:22
much better... She spent, let me tell you, she
1:18:25
spent... Hundreds of millions of dollars on an
1:18:29
advertising. You know, they get Madison Avenue
1:18:31
into a room. They put names. Oh, temperament.
1:18:33
Let's go after it. I think my strongest asset,
1:18:35
maybe by far, is my temperament. I have a winning
1:18:39
temperament. I know how to win. She does not
1:18:41
know how to win. Wait. The AFL -CIO the other
1:18:45
day, behind the blue screen, I don't know who
1:18:48
you were talking to, Secretary Clinton, but you
1:18:51
were totally out of control. I said, there's
1:18:54
a person. with a temperament that's got a problem
1:18:56
secretary clinton okay let's um let's talk about
1:19:06
two important issues that were briefly mentioned
1:19:09
by donald first nato you know nato as a military
1:19:13
alliance has something called article 5 and basically
1:19:16
it says this an attack on one is an attack on
1:19:19
all and do you know the only time it's ever been
1:19:23
invoked after 9 11. when the 28 nations of NATO
1:19:28
said that they would go to Afghanistan with us
1:19:32
to fight terrorism, something that they still
1:19:36
are doing by our side. With respect to Iran,
1:19:40
when I became Secretary of State, Iran was weeks
1:19:44
away from having enough nuclear material to form
1:19:47
a bomb. They had mastered the nuclear fuel cycle
1:19:51
under the Bush administration. They had built
1:19:53
covert facilities. They had stocked them with
1:19:56
centrifuges that were whirling away. And we had
1:20:00
sanctioned them. I voted for every sanction against
1:20:03
Iran when I was in the Senate, but it wasn't
1:20:05
enough. So I spent a year and a half putting
1:20:08
together a coalition that included Russia and
1:20:12
China to impose the toughest sanctions on Iran.
1:20:17
And we did drive them to the negotiating table.
1:20:20
And my successor, John Kerry, and President Obama
1:20:23
got a deal that put a lid on Iran's nuclear program
1:20:28
without firing a single shot. That's diplomacy.
1:20:32
That's coalition building. That's working with
1:20:35
other nations. The other day, I saw Donald saying
1:20:38
that there were some Iranian sailors on a ship.
1:20:42
in the waters off of Iran, and they were taunting
1:20:45
American sailors who were on a nearby ship. He
1:20:49
said, you know, if they taunted our sailors,
1:20:52
I'd blow them out of the water and start another
1:20:55
war. That's not good judgment. That is not the
1:21:00
right temperament to be commander -in -chief,
1:21:02
to be taunted. And the worst part of what we
1:21:07
heard Donald say has been about nuclear weapons.
1:21:11
He has said repeatedly that he didn't care if
1:21:14
other nations got nuclear weapons, Japan, South
1:21:17
Korea, even Saudi Arabia. It has been the policy
1:21:20
of the United States, Democrats and Republicans,
1:21:23
to do everything we could to reduce the proliferation
1:21:27
of nuclear weapons. He even said, well, you know,
1:21:30
if there were a nuclear war in East Asia, well,
1:21:34
you know, that's fine. You know, have a good
1:21:36
time, folks. And in fact— His cavalier attitude
1:21:40
about nuclear weapons is so deeply troubling.
1:21:44
That is the number one threat we face in the
1:21:47
world, and it becomes particularly threatening
1:21:51
if terrorists ever get their hands on any nuclear
1:21:54
material. So a man who can be provoked by a tweet
1:21:57
should not have his fingers anywhere near the
1:22:00
nuclear codes, as far as I think anyone with
1:22:03
any sense about this should be concerned. That
1:22:06
line's getting a little bit old, I must say.
1:22:08
Listen— It's a good one, though. I would like
1:22:09
to— Well describes the problem. It's not an accurate
1:22:11
one at all. It's not an accurate one. So I just
1:22:14
want to give a lot of things, and just to respond.
1:22:18
I agree with her on one thing. The single greatest
1:22:21
problem the world has is nuclear armament, nuclear
1:22:25
weapons. Not global warming like you think and
1:22:29
your president thinks. Nuclear is the single
1:22:33
greatest threat. Just to go down the list, we
1:22:37
defend Japan, we defend Germany, we defend South
1:22:40
Korea, we defend Saudi Arabia, we defend countries.
1:22:43
They do not pay us what they should be paying
1:22:46
us because we are... providing tremendous service,
1:22:49
and we're losing a fortune. That's why we're
1:22:51
losing. We're losing. We lose on everything.
1:22:53
I say, who makes these? We lose on everything.
1:22:56
Well, I said that it's very possible that if
1:23:00
they don't pay a fair share, because this isn't
1:23:02
40 years ago where we could do what we're doing.
1:23:04
We can't defend Japan, a behemoth selling us
1:23:08
cars by the million. We need to move on. But
1:23:11
it's very important. All I said was they may
1:23:13
have to defend themselves or they have to help
1:23:16
us out. We're a country that owes $20 trillion.
1:23:19
They have to help us out. As far as the nuclear
1:23:22
is concerned, I agree. It is the single greatest
1:23:26
threat that this country has. Which leads to
1:23:29
my next question as we enter our last segment
1:23:31
here. Still on the subject of securing America
1:23:33
on nuclear weapons, President Obama reportedly
1:23:36
considered changing the nation's longstanding
1:23:38
policy on first use. Do you support the current
1:23:41
policy? Mr. Trump, you have two minutes on that.
1:23:43
Well, I have to say that, you know, for... what
1:23:46
Secretary Clinton was saying about nuclear with
1:23:48
Russia. She's very cavalier in the way she talks
1:23:51
about various countries. But Russia has been
1:23:54
expanding. They have a much newer capability
1:23:58
than we do. We have not been updating from the
1:24:01
new standpoint. I looked the other night. I was
1:24:03
seeing B -52s there, old enough that your father,
1:24:07
your grandfather could be flying them. We are
1:24:09
not keeping up with other countries. I would
1:24:12
like everybody to end it, just get rid of it.
1:24:15
uh but i would certainly not do first strike
1:24:17
i think that once the nuclear alternative happens
1:24:21
it's over at the same time we have to be prepared
1:24:25
i can't take anything off the table because you
1:24:28
look at some of these countries you look at north
1:24:30
korea we're doing nothing there china should
1:24:33
solve that problem for us china should go into
1:24:36
north korea china is is totally powerful as it
1:24:40
relates to North Korea. And by the way, another
1:24:43
one powerful is the worst deal I think I've ever
1:24:45
seen negotiated that you started is the Iran
1:24:47
deal. Iran is one of their biggest trading partners.
1:24:50
Iran has power over North Korea. And when they
1:24:53
made that horrible deal with Iran, they should
1:24:55
have included the fact that they do something
1:24:59
with respect to North Korea. And they should
1:25:02
have done something with respect to Yemen and
1:25:04
all these other places. And when asked... to
1:25:07
secretary curry why didn't you do that why didn't
1:25:10
you do add other things into the deal one of
1:25:12
the great giveaways of all time of all time including
1:25:15
400 million dollars in cash nobody's ever seen
1:25:20
that before that turned out to be wrong it was
1:25:23
actually 1 .7 billion dollars in cash obviously
1:25:27
i guess for the hostages it certainly looks that
1:25:30
way so you say to yourself why didn't they make
1:25:34
the right deal. This is one of the worst deals
1:25:37
ever made by any country in history. The deal
1:25:41
with Iran will lead to nuclear problems. All
1:25:45
they have to do is sit back 10 years, and they
1:25:47
don't have to do much, and they're going to end
1:25:49
up getting nuclear. I met with Bibi Netanyahu
1:25:52
the other day. Believe me, he is not a happy
1:25:54
camper. All right. Mrs. Clinton, Secretary Clinton,
1:25:57
you have two minutes. Let me start by saying
1:25:59
words matter. Words matter when you run for president
1:26:03
and they really matter when you are president.
1:26:06
And I want to reassure our allies in Japan and
1:26:11
South Korea and elsewhere that we have mutual
1:26:14
defense treaties and we will honor them. It is
1:26:18
essential that America's word be good. And so
1:26:22
I know that this campaign has caused some questioning
1:26:26
and some worries on the part of. many leaders
1:26:29
across the globe. I've talked with a number of
1:26:32
them. But I want to, on behalf of myself and
1:26:36
I think on behalf of a majority of the American
1:26:39
people, say that our word is good. It's also
1:26:44
important that we look at the entire global situation.
1:26:50
There's no doubt that we have other problems
1:26:53
with Iran. But personally, I'd rather deal with
1:26:56
the other problems, having put that lid on their
1:26:59
nuclear program, than still to be facing that.
1:27:02
And Donald never tells you what he would do.
1:27:04
Would he have started a war? Would he have bombed
1:27:07
Iran? If he's going to criticize a deal that
1:27:10
has been very successful in giving us access
1:27:14
to Iranian facilities that we never had before,
1:27:18
then he should tell us what his alternative would
1:27:21
be. But it's like his plan to defeat ISIS. He
1:27:25
says it's a secret plan, but the only secret
1:27:27
is that he has no plan. So we need to be more
1:27:31
precise in how we talk about these issues. People
1:27:34
around the world follow our presidential campaigns
1:27:37
so closely, trying to get hints about what we
1:27:41
will do. Can they rely on us? Are we going to
1:27:45
lead the world with... strength and in accordance
1:27:48
with our values. That's what I intend to do.
1:27:51
I intend to be a leader of our country that people
1:27:55
can count on both here at home and around the
1:27:57
world to make decisions that will further peace
1:28:01
and prosperity, but also stand up to bullies,
1:28:05
whether they're abroad or at home. We cannot
1:28:08
let... those who would try to destabilize the
1:28:12
world, to interfere with American interests and
1:28:15
security, to be given any opportunities at all.
1:28:19
Let's do one thing I'd like to say. Very quickly.
1:28:21
I won't go very quickly, but I will tell you
1:28:24
that Hillary will tell you to go to her website
1:28:27
and read all about how to defeat ISIS, which
1:28:29
she could have defeated by never having it. you
1:28:32
know, get going in the first place. Right now,
1:28:34
it's getting tougher and tougher to defeat them
1:28:36
because they're in more and more places, more
1:28:38
and more states, more and more nations. And it's
1:28:40
a big problem. And as far as Japan is concerned,
1:28:43
I want to help all of our allies. But we are
1:28:47
losing billions and billions of dollars. We cannot
1:28:52
be the policemen of the world. We cannot protect
1:28:55
countries. All over the world where they're not
1:28:58
paying us what we need. We have just a few final
1:29:01
questions. She doesn't say that because she's
1:29:02
got no business ability. We need heart. We need
1:29:05
a lot of things. But you have to have some. basic
1:29:07
ability. And sadly, she doesn't have that. All
1:29:10
of the things that she's talking about could
1:29:12
have been taken care of during the last 10 years,
1:29:15
let's say, while she had great power. But they
1:29:17
weren't taken care of. And if she ever wins this
1:29:20
race, they won't be taken care of. Mr. Trump,
1:29:21
this year, Secretary Clinton became the first
1:29:23
woman nominated for president by a major party.
1:29:26
Earlier this month, you said she doesn't have,
1:29:28
quote, a presidential look. She's standing here
1:29:31
right now. What did you mean by that? She doesn't
1:29:34
have the look. She doesn't have the stamina.
1:29:36
I said she doesn't have the stamina. And I don't
1:29:40
believe she does have the stamina. To be president
1:29:43
of this country, you need tremendous stamina.
1:29:46
The quote was, I just don't think she has a presidential
1:29:48
look. Wait a minute, unless you asked me a question.
1:29:49
Did you ask me a question? You have to be able
1:29:52
to negotiate our trade deals. You have to be
1:29:56
able to negotiate. That's right, with Japan.
1:30:00
with Saudi Arabia. I mean, can you imagine we're
1:30:02
defending Saudi Arabia, and with all of the money
1:30:06
they have, we're defending them, and they're
1:30:07
not paying? All you have to do is speak to them.
1:30:09
Wait. You have so many different things you have
1:30:12
to be able to do, and I don't believe that Hillary
1:30:15
has the stamina. Let's let her respond. Well,
1:30:19
as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates
1:30:24
a peace deal, a ceasefire, a release of dissidents,
1:30:30
an opening of new opportunities in nations around
1:30:33
the world, or even spends 11 hours testifying
1:30:37
in front of a congressional committee. He can
1:30:39
talk to me about stamina. The world—let me tell
1:30:44
you. Let me tell you. Hillary has experience,
1:30:48
but it's bad experience. We have made so many
1:30:51
bad deals during the last—so she's got experience,
1:30:54
that I agree, but it's bad, bad experience. whether
1:30:58
it's the iran deal that you're so in love with
1:31:00
where we gave them 150 billion dollars back whether
1:31:04
it's the iran deal whether it's uh anything you
1:31:08
can name you almost can't name a good deal i
1:31:11
agree she's got experience but it's bad experience
1:31:14
and this country can't afford to have another
1:31:16
four years of that kind of experience we are
1:31:19
at the we are at the final question one thing
1:31:22
lester is you know he tried to switch from from
1:31:27
looks to stamina. But this is a man who has called
1:31:31
women pigs, slobs, and dogs. And someone who
1:31:36
has said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers,
1:31:40
who has said women don't deserve equal pay unless
1:31:44
they do as good a job as men. And one of the
1:31:48
worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty
1:31:53
contest. He loves... beauty contests, supporting
1:31:56
them and hanging around them. And he called this
1:32:00
woman Miss Piggy. Then he called her Miss Housekeeping
1:32:05
because she was Latina. Donald, she has a name.
1:32:08
Where did you find this? Where did you find this?
1:32:09
Her name is Alicia Machado. Where did you find
1:32:11
this? And she has become a U .S. citizen, and
1:32:14
you can bet she's going to vote this November.
1:32:17
Okay, good. Let me just tell you. Mr. Trump,
1:32:20
it'll take 10 seconds, and then we're going to
1:32:22
have the final question. You know, Hillary is
1:32:23
hitting me with tremendous commercials. Some
1:32:26
of it said in entertainment. Some of it said
1:32:28
somebody who's been very vicious to me, Rosie
1:32:31
O'Donnell. I said very tough things to her, and
1:32:33
I think everybody would agree that she deserves
1:32:35
it, and nobody feels sorry for her. But you want
1:32:38
to know the truth? I was going to say something
1:32:41
extremely rough to Hillary, to her family, and
1:32:47
I said to myself... I can't do it. I just can't
1:32:50
do it. It's inappropriate. It's not nice. But
1:32:53
she spent hundreds of millions of dollars on
1:32:57
negative ads on me, many of which are absolutely
1:33:00
untrue. They're untrue and they're misrepresentations.
1:33:03
And I will tell you this, Lester, it's not nice
1:33:06
and I don't deserve that. But it's certainly
1:33:10
not a nice thing that she's done. It's hundreds
1:33:13
of millions of ads. And the only gratifying thing
1:33:15
is I saw the polls come in today. And with all
1:33:18
of that money, over $200 million is spent, and
1:33:22
I'm either winning or tied. And I've spent practically
1:33:25
nothing. One of you will not win this election.
1:33:28
So my final question to you tonight, are you
1:33:31
willing to accept the outcome as the will of
1:33:33
the voters? Secretary Clinton? Well, I support
1:33:35
our democracy. And sometimes you win, sometimes
1:33:39
you lose. But I certainly will support the outcome
1:33:44
of this election. And I know Donald's trying
1:33:47
very hard to plant doubts about it, but I hope
1:33:50
the people out there understand this election's
1:33:53
really up to you. It's not about us so much as
1:33:56
it is about you and your families and the kind
1:33:59
of country and future you want. So I sure hope
1:34:02
you will get out and vote, as though your future
1:34:05
depended on it, because I think it does. Mr.
1:34:07
Trump, very quickly, the same question. Will
1:34:09
you accept the outcome as the will of the voters?
1:34:10
I want to make America great again. We are a
1:34:14
nation that is seriously troubled. We're losing
1:34:17
our jobs. People are pouring into our country.
1:34:20
The other day, we were deporting 800 people.
1:34:23
And perhaps they passed the wrong button, they
1:34:25
pressed the wrong button, or perhaps, worse than
1:34:28
that, it was corruption. But these people that
1:34:30
we were going to deport, for good reason, ended
1:34:32
up becoming citizens. Ended up becoming citizens.
1:34:37
And it was 800, and now it turns out it might
1:34:39
be 1 ,800, and they don't even know. Look, here's
1:34:42
the story. I want to make America great again.
1:34:46
I'm going to be able to do it. I don't believe
1:34:48
Hillary will. The answer is if she wins, I will
1:34:50
absolutely support her. All right. Well, that
1:34:52
is going to do it for us. That concludes. Our
1:34:55
debate for this evening, a spirited one. We covered
1:34:58
a lot of ground. Not everything, as I suspected
1:35:00
we wouldn't. The next presidential debates are
1:35:03
scheduled for October 9th at Washington University
1:35:05
in St. Louis and October 19th at the University
1:35:09
of Nevada, Las Vegas. The conversation will continue.
1:35:12
A reminder, the vice presidential debate is scheduled
1:35:14
for October 4th at Longwood University in Farmville,
1:35:18
Virginia. My thanks to Hillary Clinton and to
1:35:20
Donald Trump and to Hofstra University for hosting
1:35:23
us tonight. Good night everyone.