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Donald Trump Interview _ Lex Fridman Podcast · Luke's English Podcast

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but some people
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Speaker 1: call you a fascist.
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Speaker 2: Yeah they do, so I figure it's all right to
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Speaker 2: call them a communist.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: They call me a lot worse than I call them.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people listening to this, myself included, that
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Speaker 1: doesn't think that Kama is a communist.
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Speaker 2: I believe you have to fight fire with fire.
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Speaker 1: Politics is a dirty game.
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Speaker 2: It is a dirty game. It's certainly true.
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Speaker 1: How do you win at that game?
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Speaker 2: They suffer from massive Trump Derangement syndrome TDS, and I
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Speaker 2: don't know if they it's curable.
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Speaker 1: From their standpoint, I think we would probably have a
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Speaker 1: better world if everybody in Congress took some mushrooms perhaps.
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Speaker 2: First of all, medical marijuana has been amazing. It's been
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Speaker 2: I've had friends and I've had others and doctors telling
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Speaker 2: me that it's been absolutely amazing.
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Speaker 1: The list of clients that went to the island has
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Speaker 1: not been made public.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting things there.
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Speaker 1: The following is a conversation with Donald Trump on this
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Speaker 1: the Lex Friedman podcast.
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Speaker 2: They get any smaller or smaller against smaller, right, I mean,
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Speaker 2: people do respect you more when you have a big
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Speaker 2: camera for something. No it's cool and about twenty guys
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Speaker 2: that you pay a fortune to.
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Speaker 1: All Right, okay, you said that you love winning, and
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Speaker 1: you have won a lot in life, in real estate,
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Speaker 1: in business and TV and politics. So let me start
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Speaker 1: with the mindset, a psychology question. What drives you more
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Speaker 1: the love of winning or the hate of losing?
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Speaker 2: Maybe equally maybe both. I don't like losing and I
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Speaker 2: do like winning. I've never thought of it as too,
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Speaker 2: which is more of a driving force.
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Speaker 1: You've been close with a lot of the greats in sport.
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Speaker 1: You think about Tiger Woods, Muhammad Ali. You have people
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Speaker 1: like Michael Jordan, who I think hate losing more than anybody.
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Speaker 1: So what do you learn from those guys?
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Speaker 2: Well, they do have something different, you know, the great
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Speaker 2: champions have something very different, like the sports champions. And
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Speaker 2: you know you have champions in other fields, but you
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Speaker 2: see it more readily in sports. You see it over
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Speaker 2: a weekend or you see it during a game, and
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Speaker 2: you see that certain people stand out and they keep
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Speaker 2: they keep standing out. But it's there for you. It
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Speaker 2: doesn't take a lifetime to find out that somebody was
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Speaker 2: a winner or a loser. And so the sports thing
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Speaker 2: is very interesting. But you know, I play golf with
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Speaker 2: different people, and there's a different mindset among champions. There's
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Speaker 2: really a very different mindset. There's a different there's a
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Speaker 2: different thought process, you know. Talent wise, sometimes you can't
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Speaker 2: tell the difference in talent, but at the end of
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Speaker 2: a weekend, they seem to win. And it's very interesting.
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Speaker 2: Like as an example, a Tiger or Jack Nicholas, he
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Speaker 2: was a phenomenal winner, and he does have a different
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Speaker 2: way about him, and Tiger has a different way about
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Speaker 2: him and Michael Jordan, and there's never one you would
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Speaker 2: think that there'd be one way. Arnold Palmer was the
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Speaker 2: nicest guy you'd ever meet, and then you have some
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Speaker 2: champions that aren't really nice. They're just focused on doing
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Speaker 2: their job. So you have you know, there's not one
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Speaker 2: type of person. But the one thing I would say
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Speaker 2: that everybody seems to have in common is they're very driven.
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Speaker 2: They're driven like beyond.
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Speaker 1: They don't seem to give up easily.
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Speaker 2: They don't give up, they don't give up, but they
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Speaker 2: do seem to be you know, they have a passion
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Speaker 2: that's maybe more than people that don't do as well.
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Speaker 1: You've said that politics is a dirty game, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: It is a dirty game. That's certainly true.
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Speaker 1: So if it is a game, how do you win
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Speaker 1: at that game?
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Speaker 2: Well, you wondered that game by getting the word out
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Speaker 2: and by using sense. You have to have a feeling
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Speaker 2: where it's going. You also have to have a feeling
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Speaker 2: of what's right. You can't necessarily just go what's popular.
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Speaker 2: You have to do what's good for a country. If
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Speaker 2: you're talking about countries or but you have to get
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Speaker 2: the word out and you have to just continuously, like,
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Speaker 2: for instance, you have a great show, you have a
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Speaker 2: great podcast, it's very well watched, and I'm sitting here
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Speaker 2: and I do this. A lot of people see it,
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Speaker 2: and I do other things, and a lot of people
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Speaker 2: see that, and I go traditional. Also know you have
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Speaker 2: traditional television, which is getting a little bit older and
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Speaker 2: maybe less significant. Could be less significant, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: But it's changing a lot. The whole plane of platform
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Speaker 2: is changing a lot. It's changed a lot in the
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Speaker 2: last two three years. But from a political standpoint, you
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Speaker 2: have to find out what people are doing, what they're watching,
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Speaker 2: and you have to get it. You have to get on.
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Speaker 2: I just see that these platforms are starting to dominate,
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Speaker 2: getting very big numbers. I did Spaces with Elon and
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Speaker 2: they got numbers like nobody's ever heard before. So you know,
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Speaker 2: this is you wouldn't do that on like radio, you
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Speaker 2: wouldn't do that those numbers. No matter how good a show,
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Speaker 2: you wouldn't do those numbers on radio, you wouldn't do
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Speaker 2: them on television.
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Speaker 1: You've been successful in business, you've been successful in politics.
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Speaker 1: What do you think is the difference between gaining success
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Speaker 1: between the two the two different disparate worlds.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're different, very different. I have a lot
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Speaker 2: of people that are in business that are successful and
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Speaker 2: they'd like to go over to politics, and then you
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Speaker 2: realize they can't speak. They choke. You know, it's hard
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Speaker 2: to make a speech in front of that. Let's say
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Speaker 2: you're talking about a big audience. But I get very
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Speaker 2: big audiences, and you know, well, for many people, it's
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Speaker 2: virtually impossible to get up and speak for an hour
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Speaker 2: and a half and have nobody leave. You know, it's
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Speaker 2: not an easy thing to do, and it's an ability.
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Speaker 2: But I have many people that are very very successful
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Speaker 2: in business would love to do what I did, and
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Speaker 2: yet they can't pull the trigger. And in many cases,
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Speaker 2: I don't think it would work. Almost almost for everybody.
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Speaker 2: It's not going to work. It's a very it's a
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Speaker 2: very tough thing to do. It's a big transition. And
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Speaker 2: now if you talked about people in the business and
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Speaker 2: politics going into business likewise, that wouldn't generally work out
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Speaker 2: so well. Either. It's different talents, it's difference heals. I
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Speaker 2: have somebody wants to go into politics so bad, but
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Speaker 2: he's got a little problem. He's got stage fright now.
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Speaker 2: He's a total killer. But if he gets up into
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Speaker 2: a stage in front of people, he doesn't do well.
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Speaker 2: To put it mildly, actually, I mean he does badly.
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Speaker 1: So you have to be able to make hard decisions
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Speaker 1: like you do in business, but also be able to
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Speaker 1: captivate an audience.
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Speaker 2: Look, if you're a politician, you have to be able
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Speaker 2: to speak in front of large crowds. There are a
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Speaker 2: lot of people can't do that. I've seen it. They
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Speaker 2: can't even think about doing it, and they don't. There
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Speaker 2: are many people in business right now. I could name them,
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Speaker 2: but I don't want to embarrass anybody. They've been talking
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Speaker 2: about running for president for fifteen years and they're very
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Speaker 2: big in business, very well known actually, but it takes
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Speaker 2: guts to run. Like for president, I can tell you
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Speaker 2: it takes guts to run. It's also a very dangerous profession,
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Speaker 2: if you want another truth, but dangerous in a different
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Speaker 2: sense too. But it takes a lot of courage to
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Speaker 2: run for president. It's not easy, but you have and
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Speaker 2: you know the same people as I do. There are
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Speaker 2: a lot of people that would like to run for
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Speaker 2: president that are very, very successful in business, but they
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Speaker 2: don't have the guts to do it, and they have
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Speaker 2: to give up a lot.
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Speaker 1: One of the great things about people from the business
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Speaker 1: world is they're often great deal makers. And you're a
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Speaker 1: great deal maker. And you've talked about the war in
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Speaker 1: Ukraine and that you would be able to find a
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Speaker 1: deal that both Putin and Zelenski would accept. What do
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Speaker 1: you think that deal looks like?
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Speaker 2: I think the deal and I wouldn't talk about it
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Speaker 2: too much because I think I can make a deal.
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Speaker 2: If I win as president elect, I'll have a deal
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Speaker 2: made guaranteed. That's a war that shouldn't have happened. It's terrible. Look,
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Speaker 2: Biden is the worst president in the history of our country,
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Speaker 2: and she's probably worse than him. That's something that should
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Speaker 2: have never happened, but it did happen, and now it's
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Speaker 2: a much tougher deal to make than it would have
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Speaker 2: been before it started. Millions of people. I think the
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Speaker 2: number is going to be a lot higher when you
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Speaker 2: see this all at some point, I think the numbers
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Speaker 2: are going to be The death numbers are going to
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Speaker 2: be a lot higher than people think. When you take
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Speaker 2: a look at the destruction and the buildings coming down
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Speaker 2: all over the place in Ukraine, I think those numbers
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Speaker 2: are going to be a lot higher. They lie about
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Speaker 2: the numbers, they try and keep them low. They knock
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Speaker 2: down a building that's two blocks along. These are big buildings,
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Speaker 2: and they say one person was mildly injured. No. No,
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Speaker 2: a lot of people were killed. And there are people
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Speaker 2: in those buildings and they have no chance. Once they
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Speaker 2: start coming down, there's no chance. So that's a war
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Speaker 2: that absolutely has to get done. And then you have Israel,
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Speaker 2: and then you have a lot of other places that
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Speaker 2: are talking war. The world is a rough place right now,
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Speaker 2: and a lot of it's because of the fact that
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Speaker 2: America has no leadership. And I believe that she'll be
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Speaker 2: probably worse than Biden I watch the interview the other night.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it was just a softball interview.
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Speaker 1: You will like to see her do more interviews, challenged more.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't believe the whole thing is happening.
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Speaker 2: We had a man in there that should have never
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Speaker 2: been in there. They kept them in a basement. They
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Speaker 2: used COVID, they cheated, but they used COVID to cheat
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Speaker 2: that they cheated without COVID too. But you had somebody
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Speaker 2: in there, and now we have a woman that is
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Speaker 2: not I mean, she couldn't do an interview. This was
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Speaker 2: a really soft interview. This is an interview where they've
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Speaker 2: given her multiple choice, the questions, multiple guests, I go,
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Speaker 2: multiple guests, and I don't think she did well. I
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Speaker 2: think she did very poorly.
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Speaker 1: How do you think you'll do in the debate coming up?
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Speaker 1: It's in a few days.
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Speaker 2: So I've done a lot of debating only as a politician.
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Speaker 2: I never debated. My first debate was the ROSSI o'donald debate, right,
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Speaker 2: the famous ROSSI o' donald debate. The answer. But I've
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Speaker 2: done well with debates. I mean I became president and
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Speaker 2: then the second time I got millions more votes on
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Speaker 2: I got the first time. I was told if I
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Speaker 2: got six see three million, which is what I got
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Speaker 2: the first time, you would win. You can't not win.
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Speaker 2: And I got millions of movos on that and lost
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Speaker 2: by a whisker. But and look what happened to the
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Speaker 2: world with all of the wars and all of the problems.
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Speaker 2: And look what happened with inflation, Because inflation's just eating
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Speaker 2: up our country, eating it up. So it's too bad.
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Speaker 2: But there are a lot of things that could happen.
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Speaker 2: We have to get those wars settled. We have to
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Speaker 2: get I'll tell you you have to get Ukraine done.
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Speaker 2: That could end up in a Third World War. So
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Speaker 2: could the Middle East. So could the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: So maybe let's talk about what it takes to negotiate
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Speaker 1: with somebody like Putin or Zelensky. Do you think Putin
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Speaker 1: would be willing to give up any of the regions
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Speaker 1: that already captured.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I can tell you that this, all
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Speaker 2: of this would have never happened, and it would have
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Speaker 2: been very easy because you don't have like that question
11:58
Speaker 2: wouldn't be asked. You know, that's a tougher question once
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Speaker 2: that starts happening because he has taken over a lot
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Speaker 2: of territory. Now I guess they're insurgents now too, right,
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Speaker 2: So you know, it's a little bit interesting that that's
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Speaker 2: happening and that it can happen, and it's interesting that
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Speaker 2: Putin has allowed that to happen. Look, that's one that
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Speaker 2: should have should have never started. We have to get
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Speaker 2: it stopped. Ukraine is being demolished. They're they're destroying a
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Speaker 2: great culture that's largely destroyed.
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Speaker 1: What do you think works better in those kinds of
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Speaker 1: negotiations leverage of let's say, friendship, the character the stick friendship,
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Speaker 1: or sort of the threat of using the economic and
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Speaker 1: military power.
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Speaker 2: So it depends on who the person is, and everyone's
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Speaker 2: different negotiations interesting because it depends on who the person is,
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Speaker 2: and then you have to guess or know through certain knowledge,
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Speaker 2: which is you know, more important the character of the stick,
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Speaker 2: And with some people it's the stick, and with some
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Speaker 2: people it's the carrot. I think that the stick probably
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Speaker 2: is generally more successful, and that you know, we're talking
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Speaker 2: about war, but the kind of destruction that we're witnessing
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Speaker 2: now nobody's ever seen. I mean, it's it's a terrible
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Speaker 2: thing and we're witnessing it all over, witnessing it in
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Speaker 2: all parts of the world, and a lot of things
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Speaker 2: are going to get started. Look what's going on with China.
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Speaker 2: Look at Japan. They're starting to rearm now, they're starting
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Speaker 2: to rearm because China is getting, you know, taken over
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Speaker 2: certain islands. And there's a lot of danger in the
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Speaker 2: war right now in the world. There's a lot of
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Speaker 2: and there's a great possibility of World War three, and
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Speaker 2: we better get this thing done fast because five months
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Speaker 2: with people like her and him, he's checked out. He
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Speaker 2: just goes to the beach and think she looks good
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Speaker 2: in a bathing suit, which she doesn't. He sort of
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Speaker 2: checked out. Hey, look, you know, you can't blame him.
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Speaker 2: That was the coup. They took it over. They took
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Speaker 2: over the presidential deal, The whole presidential thing was taken
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Speaker 2: over in a coup. He had fourteen million votes, he
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Speaker 2: had no votes, not one, And nobody thought it was
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Speaker 2: going to be her. Nobody wanted to be her. She
14:25
Speaker 2: was a joke until six weeks ago when they said
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Speaker 2: we're going to have to politically, they felt they had
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Speaker 2: to pick her, and if they didn't pick her, they
14:36
Speaker 2: thought they'd be a problem. I don't know if that's
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Speaker 2: right or not. I actually don't think it's right, but
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Speaker 2: you know, they thought it was right. And now immediately
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Speaker 2: the press comes to their aid.
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Speaker 1: If it can go back to China on negotiation, how
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Speaker 1: do we have avoid war with China in the twenty
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Speaker 1: first century?
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Speaker 2: Well, there are ways. Now here's the problem. If I
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Speaker 2: tell you how, and I'd love to do it, But
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Speaker 2: if I give you a plan, like I have a
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Speaker 2: very exacting plan how to stop Ukraine and Russia, and
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Speaker 2: I have a certain idea, maybe not a plan, but
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Speaker 2: an idea for China because we do you know, we're
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Speaker 2: going to We're in a lot of trouble. There'll be
15:19
Speaker 2: in a lot of trouble too, but we're in a
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Speaker 2: lot of trouble. But I can't give you those plans
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Speaker 2: because if I give you those plans, I'm not going
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Speaker 2: to be able to use them. They'll be very unsuccessful.
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Speaker 2: You know, part of its surprise, right, but they won't
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Speaker 2: be able to help us much.
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Speaker 1: So you have a plan of what to say to
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Speaker 1: putin Yeah, I know, take office.
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Speaker 2: No. I had a very good relationship with him, and
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Speaker 2: I had a good relationship with Zelenski too, But I
15:44
Speaker 2: had a very good relationship with Putin.
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Speaker 1: Tough topic, but important, you said, lost by a whisker.
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Speaker 1: I'm an independent. I have a lot of friends who
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Speaker 1: are independent, many of whom like your policies, like the
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Speaker 1: fact that you're a deal maker, like the fact that
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Speaker 1: you can end wars. But they are troubled by what
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Speaker 1: happened in the twenty twenty election and statements about widespread
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Speaker 1: fraud and this kind of stuff, fake elector scheme. What
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Speaker 1: can you say to those independent voters to help them
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Speaker 1: decide who to vote right.
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Speaker 2: I think the fraud was on the other side. I
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Speaker 2: think the election was a fraud and many people felt
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Speaker 2: it was that and they wanted answers. And when you
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Speaker 2: can't challenge an election, you have to be able to
16:38
Speaker 2: challenge it, otherwise it's going to get worse, not better.
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Speaker 2: And there are lots of ways to solve this problem.
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Speaker 2: Go to paper ballots, do it the easy way, I
16:48
Speaker 2: mean the paper ballots, and you have voter ID, and
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Speaker 2: you have same day voting, and you have proof of citizenship,
16:56
Speaker 2: which is very important because we have people voting that
16:58
Speaker 2: are not citizens. She just came in and they're loading
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Speaker 2: up the payrolls, they're loading up everything, they're putting students
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Speaker 2: in schools, they don't speak a word of English, and
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Speaker 2: they're taking the seats of people that are citizens of
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Speaker 2: our country. So look, we have the worst border in
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Speaker 2: the history of the world. We have coming into our
17:23
Speaker 2: country right now, millions and millions of people at levels
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Speaker 2: that nobody's ever seen. I don't believe any country has
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Speaker 2: ever seen it. And they would use sticks and stones
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Speaker 2: not to make it happen, not to let it happen.
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Speaker 2: We don't do anything. And we have a person who
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Speaker 2: is the borders are who now said she wasn't really
17:41
Speaker 2: the borders up, but she was. She was the borders up,
17:43
Speaker 2: but she was in charge of the border. And we
17:46
Speaker 2: have her and she's saying very strongly, oh, I did
17:51
Speaker 2: such a good job. She was horrible, horrible the harm
17:55
Speaker 2: she's done. But we have people coming in from other
17:58
Speaker 2: countries all over the world, not just South America, and
18:01
Speaker 2: they're coming in from prisons in jails, they're coming in
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Speaker 2: from mental institutions and insane asylums, and they're street criminals
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Speaker 2: right off the street. They take them and they're being
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Speaker 2: given to our country. Drug dealers human traffickers. We're destroying
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Speaker 2: our country. This is a sin what's been allowed to
18:23
Speaker 2: take place over the last four years. We're destroying our country.
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Speaker 2: And we'll see how that all works out. But it's
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Speaker 2: not even believable. And now you see you saw in Aurora,
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Speaker 2: Colorado a group of very tough young thugs from Venezuela
18:42
Speaker 2: taking over big areas, including buildings. They're taking over buildings.
18:48
Speaker 2: They have their big rifles, but they're taking over buildings.
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Speaker 2: We're not going to let this happen. We're not going
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Speaker 2: to let them destroy our country. And you know in
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Speaker 2: those countries crime is way down. They're taking them out
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Speaker 2: of their prisons, which is good because good for them.
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Speaker 2: I do the same thing, by the way, if I
19:05
Speaker 2: ran one of those countries, any country in the world,
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Speaker 2: I would make sure that America has every one of
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Speaker 2: our prisoners. Every one of our criminals would be here.
19:13
Speaker 2: I can't believe they're going so slowly, but some aren't.
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Speaker 2: But they all are doing it, and we can't let
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Speaker 2: that happen. They're emptying out their prisons and their mental
19:24
Speaker 2: institutions into the United States of America. We can't let
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Speaker 2: that happen.
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Speaker 1: So a lot of people believe that there was some
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Speaker 1: shady stuff that went on with the election, whether it's
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Speaker 1: a media bias or big tech, but still the claim
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Speaker 1: of widespread fraud is the thing that bothers people.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't focus on the past. I focus on
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Speaker 2: the future. I mean, I talk about how bad the
19:48
Speaker 2: economy is, how bad inflation is now bad things like
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Speaker 2: which is important. Afghanistan was, in my opinion, the most
19:57
Speaker 2: embarrassing thing that's ever happened to our country. And because
20:01
Speaker 2: of that, I think Putin went in when he said
20:03
Speaker 2: how stupid we were. Putin went in, But it was
20:07
Speaker 2: the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country.
20:11
Speaker 2: I really believe that. But you know, we left thirteen
20:17
Speaker 2: dead soldiers. Think of it. Thirteen dead soldiers, many soldiers
20:22
Speaker 2: horrifically hurt, with arms and legs and everything else gone.
20:27
Speaker 2: We left hostages behind, We left Americans behind. We left
20:32
Speaker 2: military equipment the likes of which nobody's ever left behind before,
20:36
Speaker 2: billions and billions of dollars of equipment. They're now selling
20:41
Speaker 2: the equipment. They're one of the largest armstellers in the world.
20:45
Speaker 2: And very sad, very sad. And you know, we were
20:50
Speaker 2: there for a long time. I was going to get out.
20:54
Speaker 2: We were getting ready to get out. Then we got
20:56
Speaker 2: interrupted by the election, but we would have been out
20:59
Speaker 2: with the strength. We were having very little problem with
21:04
Speaker 2: the Taliban when I was there, because they knew it
21:06
Speaker 2: was going to be tough. I dealt with Abdul Abduall
21:10
Speaker 2: was the leader, and we got along fine. He understood,
21:14
Speaker 2: but you know, they were shooting. They were killing a
21:17
Speaker 2: lot of our people before I came down. And when
21:19
Speaker 2: I got there, I said, I spoke to him. I said,
21:22
Speaker 2: you can't do it, don't do it anymore. We went
21:25
Speaker 2: eighteen months before this happened. This horrible day happened. We
21:30
Speaker 2: went eighteen months and nobody was shot at or killed.
21:33
Speaker 1: What do you think that was the character of the
21:35
Speaker 1: stick in that case? And agstand the stick definitely the
21:38
Speaker 1: threat of military force.
21:40
Speaker 2: That was the stick. Yeah, it doesn't have to be,
21:42
Speaker 2: but that was the stick.
21:44
Speaker 1: Well, let me just linger on the election a little
21:47
Speaker 1: a little bit more. For this selection. It might be
21:49
Speaker 1: a close one. What can we do to avoid the
21:53
Speaker 1: insanity and division of the previous selection. Whether you win
21:56
Speaker 1: or lose.
21:58
Speaker 2: Well, I hope it's not a close one. I mean,
22:00
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know how people can vote for
22:01
Speaker 2: somebody that has destroyed our country, the inflation, the bad economy.
22:07
Speaker 2: But to me, in a way, the worst is what
22:10
Speaker 2: they've allowed to happen at our border, where they've allowed
22:13
Speaker 2: millions of people to come in here from places that
22:16
Speaker 2: you don't want to know about. And I can't believe
22:19
Speaker 2: that that's going to be a close election. You know,
22:21
Speaker 2: we're leading in the polls and it looks close, but
22:26
Speaker 2: I think in the end it's not going to be
22:27
Speaker 2: a close election.
22:29
Speaker 1: What do you think is the right way to solve
22:30
Speaker 1: the immigration crisis is mass deportation. One of the solutions
22:34
Speaker 1: you will think about.
22:35
Speaker 2: Well, you've got to get the criminals out of here fast, right,
22:39
Speaker 2: you know, the people from mental institutions, You got to
22:41
Speaker 2: get it back into their mental institution. No country can
22:44
Speaker 2: afford this, you know, it's just too much money. You
22:47
Speaker 2: look at what's happening in New York and Chicago and
22:50
Speaker 2: LA and lots of places, and you take a look
22:54
Speaker 2: at what's happening. There's no country can afford this. We
22:56
Speaker 2: can't afford it, and we've got to get the bad
23:00
Speaker 2: ones out immediately, and the rest have to be worked on.
23:04
Speaker 2: You know, it's happened before. Dwight Eisenhower was sort of
23:07
Speaker 2: a moderate president, moderate type person, but he hated when
23:11
Speaker 2: he saw people pouring into the country and they were
23:14
Speaker 2: nothing like now. You know, I probably got elected in
23:17
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen because of the border, and I told people
23:21
Speaker 2: what was happening, and they understood it, and I won
23:24
Speaker 2: the election. And I won the election. I think because
23:27
Speaker 2: of the border. Our border is twenty five times worse
23:32
Speaker 2: right now than I was in twenty sixteen. I had
23:35
Speaker 2: it fixed to I had it the last week of
23:39
Speaker 2: my The famous chart that I put up was exactly that,
23:42
Speaker 2: you know, the chart. When I looked to the right,
23:45
Speaker 2: they said, there's the chart being that was not a
23:49
Speaker 2: pleasant experience. But the chart that I put up said,
23:52
Speaker 2: and that was done by border patrol, that was the
23:54
Speaker 2: lowest number that we've ever had come into our country
23:57
Speaker 2: in recorded history. And we have to get it back
24:01
Speaker 2: to that again. We will let me.
24:04
Speaker 1: Ask you about Project twenty twenty five. So you've publicly
24:07
Speaker 1: said that you don't have any direct connection to nothing.
24:10
Speaker 2: I know nothing about it, and they know that too.
24:12
Speaker 2: Democrats know that, and I purposely haven't read it because
24:16
Speaker 2: I want to say to you, I have no idea
24:18
Speaker 2: what it's all about. It's easier than saying I read it,
24:22
Speaker 2: and you know all of the things. No. I purposely
24:24
Speaker 2: haven't read it, and I've heard about it. I've heard
24:29
Speaker 2: about things that are in there that I don't like.
24:32
Speaker 2: And there's some things in there that everybody would like,
24:35
Speaker 2: but there are things that I don't like at all.
24:40
Speaker 2: And I think it's unfortunate that they put it out.
24:44
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean anything because there has nothing to
24:46
Speaker 2: do with me. Project twenty five, It has absolutely nothing
24:50
Speaker 2: to do with me.
24:53
Speaker 1: You posted recently about marijuana and that you're okay with
24:59
Speaker 1: it being legalized, but it has to be done safely.
25:01
Speaker 1: Can you explain your policy there?
25:03
Speaker 2: Well, I just put out a paper, and first of all,
25:07
Speaker 2: medical marijuana has been amazing. It's been I've had friends
25:12
Speaker 2: and I've had others and doctors telling me that it's
25:15
Speaker 2: been absolutely amazing marijuana. And we put out a statement
25:23
Speaker 2: that we can live with the marijuana. It's got to
25:27
Speaker 2: be a certain age, got to be a certain age
25:30
Speaker 2: to buy it. It's got to be done in a
25:32
Speaker 2: very concerted, lawful way, and the way they're doing it
25:38
Speaker 2: in Florida, I think is going to be actually good.
25:41
Speaker 2: It's going to be very good. But it's got to
25:43
Speaker 2: be done in a good way. It's got to be
25:45
Speaker 2: done in a clean way. You go into some of
25:47
Speaker 2: these places, like in New York, it's all it smells
25:49
Speaker 2: all marijuana. You can't the way. You've got to have
25:52
Speaker 2: a system with this control. And I think the way
25:56
Speaker 2: they've done it in Florida is very good.
25:59
Speaker 1: Do you know anything about psychedelics? So I'm not a
26:02
Speaker 1: drug guy, but I recently did ayahuasca. Yeah, and there's
26:07
Speaker 1: a lot of people that speak to sort of the
26:10
Speaker 1: health benefits and the spiritual benefits of these different psychedelics.
26:16
Speaker 1: I think we'd probably have a better world if everybody
26:19
Speaker 1: in Congress took some mushrooms. Perhaps, now I know you
26:23
Speaker 1: don't you stay away from all of that stuff. I
26:28
Speaker 1: know also veterans use it for dealing with PTSD and
26:31
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So it's great and it's
26:33
Speaker 1: interesting that you're thinking about being more accepting of some
26:37
Speaker 1: of these drugs which don't just have a recreational purpose,
26:42
Speaker 1: but a medical purpose, treatment purpose.
26:45
Speaker 2: So we put it out a statement today, We're going
26:46
Speaker 2: to put out another one probably next week be more specific,
26:50
Speaker 2: although I think it's pretty specific. And well, we'll see
26:54
Speaker 2: how that all goes. That's a referendum coming up in
26:58
Speaker 2: some states, but it's coming up and we'll see how
27:01
Speaker 2: it does. I will say it's been very hard to
27:04
Speaker 2: beat it. You take a look at the numbers, it's
27:08
Speaker 2: been very hard to beat it. So I think it'll
27:10
Speaker 2: generally pass, but you want to do it in a
27:13
Speaker 2: safe way.
27:14
Speaker 1: Speaking of marijuana, let me ask you about my good
27:16
Speaker 1: friend Joe Rogan. So he had a bit of tension
27:19
Speaker 1: with him. So when he said nice things about RFK Junior,
27:23
Speaker 1: I think you've said some not so nice things about
27:26
Speaker 1: Joe and I think that was a bit unfair. And
27:30
Speaker 1: as a fan of Joe, I would love to see
27:32
Speaker 1: you do his podcast because he is legit the greatest
27:37
Speaker 1: conversationalist in the world. So what's the story behind at tension.
27:41
Speaker 2: I don't think there was any tension, and I've always
27:47
Speaker 2: liked him, but I don't know him. I mean, I've
27:50
Speaker 2: only see him when I walk into the arena with
27:52
Speaker 2: Dana and I shake his hand. I see him there
27:56
Speaker 2: and I think he's good at what he does, but
28:00
Speaker 2: or know about doing his podcast. I mean, I guess
28:03
Speaker 2: i'd do it, but I haven't been asked, and I'm
28:06
Speaker 2: not asking them, you know, I'm not asking anybody.
28:09
Speaker 1: It sounds like a challenging negotiations that you're No.
28:12
Speaker 2: It's not really a negotiation. And he's sort of a
28:15
Speaker 2: liberal guy, I guess, you know, from what I understand.
28:19
Speaker 2: But he likes Kennedy. This was before I found this out,
28:21
Speaker 2: before Kennedy came in with us. He's going to be great.
28:24
Speaker 2: He's doing Bobby's going to be great. But I like
28:28
Speaker 2: that he likes Kennedy. I do too. You know, he's
28:30
Speaker 2: a different kind of a guy, but he's got some
28:32
Speaker 2: great things going and I think he's going to be
28:37
Speaker 2: beyond politics. I think he could be quite influential and
28:41
Speaker 2: taking care of some situations that you probably would agree
28:44
Speaker 2: should be taken care of.
28:45
Speaker 1: That Joe Rogan post is an example. I'd love to
28:48
Speaker 1: get your psychology about behind the tweets and the post
28:52
Speaker 1: on truth. Are you sometimes being intentionally provocative or are
28:57
Speaker 1: you just speaking your mind? And are there are times
29:00
Speaker 1: where you regret some of the truths you've posted?
29:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, I mean, but not that often. Honestly,
29:07
Speaker 2: you know, I do a lot of reposting. The ones
29:10
Speaker 2: you get in trouble with are the reposts because you
29:12
Speaker 2: find down deep they're into some group that you're not
29:17
Speaker 2: supposed to be reposting. You don't even know if those
29:19
Speaker 2: groups are good, beat or indifferent, But the reposts are
29:22
Speaker 2: the ones that really get you in trouble. When you
29:25
Speaker 2: do your own words, it's sort of easier, but the
29:28
Speaker 2: reposts go very quickly. And if you're going to check
29:31
Speaker 2: every single little symbol, and I don't know, it's worked
29:38
Speaker 2: out pretty well for me. I tell you it's truth
29:42
Speaker 2: is very powerful truth, and it's my platform and it's
29:47
Speaker 2: been very powerful, very very powerful, goes everywhere. I call
29:51
Speaker 2: it my typewriter. You know, that's actually my typewriter.
29:54
Speaker 1: What are you doing usually when you're composing a truth?
29:57
Speaker 1: Like are you chilling back on a couch?
30:00
Speaker 2: Couches, beds, a lot of different.
30:03
Speaker 1: Things, I mean, like late at night and just I'd like.
30:06
Speaker 2: To do some later. You know, I'm not a huge sleeper,
30:09
Speaker 2: but whenever I do them, you know, past like three o'clock,
30:14
Speaker 2: they criticize you the next day. Trump was the truth thing? Okay,
30:20
Speaker 2: Trump was true thing at three o'clock in the morning
30:23
Speaker 2: and there should be no problem with that. And then
30:25
Speaker 2: when you think about time zones, how do they know
30:27
Speaker 2: that you're like, you know, in a time zone like
30:30
Speaker 2: an Eastern zone. So but every time I do it
30:34
Speaker 2: after like two or three o'clock, it's like, why is
30:37
Speaker 2: he doing that? But it's gotten I mean, you know,
30:42
Speaker 2: the truth has become a very successful platform and I
30:50
Speaker 2: like doing it and it goes everywhere. As soon as
30:52
Speaker 2: I do it, it goes everywhere.
30:54
Speaker 1: The country seems more divided than ever. Yeah, what can
30:57
Speaker 1: you do to help alleviate some of that division?
30:59
Speaker 2: Well, you can get rid of these two people. They're terrible.
31:02
Speaker 2: They're terrible. You don't want to have them running this country.
31:05
Speaker 2: They're not equipped to run a Joe, just Joe, it's
31:09
Speaker 2: a disaster, okay. And Kamala I think she'll end up
31:15
Speaker 2: being worse than him. We'll see. I think a lots. Now,
31:18
Speaker 2: you know, the conventions over with, and I see I'm
31:21
Speaker 2: leading in just about all the polls. Now they had
31:25
Speaker 2: their little honeymoon period as they call it, and we'll
31:29
Speaker 2: see how that all goes. Who knows.
31:31
Speaker 1: From my personal opinion, I think you are at your
31:34
Speaker 1: best when you're talking about a positive vision of the
31:38
Speaker 1: future versus criticizing the other side.
31:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you have to criticize, though I think
31:44
Speaker 2: they're nasty. They came up with a story that I
31:50
Speaker 2: look down and I called soldiers that died in World
31:53
Speaker 2: War One suckers and losers. Okay, Now, number one, who
31:57
Speaker 2: would say that. Number two? Who would say it to me?
32:00
Speaker 2: Therapy people, nobody. It was a made up story. It's
32:02
Speaker 2: just a made up story, and they like to repeat
32:06
Speaker 2: it over again. They know it was made up. I
32:09
Speaker 2: have twenty six witnesses that nothing was said. They don't
32:14
Speaker 2: want to hear about that. Like she lied on McDonald's.
32:18
Speaker 2: She said that that she worked at McDonald's. It's not
32:22
Speaker 2: a big lie, but it's a big lie. It's so
32:24
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, they just went and they checked.
32:27
Speaker 2: And unless she can show something they don't talk about
32:30
Speaker 2: the presses are going to follow up with it. But
32:32
Speaker 2: I'll keep gammering it. But she never worked at McDonald's.
32:35
Speaker 2: It was just a you know, sort of a cool
32:37
Speaker 2: thing to say, Hey, I worked at McDonald's, you know.
32:41
Speaker 2: But one of the worst was two days ago, I
32:44
Speaker 2: went to Arlington at the request of people that lost
32:48
Speaker 2: their children they'll always be children to those people. You
32:52
Speaker 2: understand that that's not politically incorrect a thing to say.
32:56
Speaker 2: The mother comes up, I lost my child, but you
33:00
Speaker 2: know the child is the soldier and lost the child
33:03
Speaker 2: because of Biden and because of Kamala As just as
33:08
Speaker 2: though they had the gun in their hand, because it
33:11
Speaker 2: was so badly handled. It should have been done at Bagram,
33:14
Speaker 2: which is the big air base. It shouldn't have been
33:16
Speaker 2: done at a small little airport right in the middle
33:19
Speaker 2: of town where people stormed it. It was a true disaster.
33:27
Speaker 2: And they asked me if i'd come and celebrate with
33:31
Speaker 2: them three years three years they've died three years ago,
33:37
Speaker 2: and I said I'm going to try. I got to
33:39
Speaker 2: know them because I brought them here. Actually, one night
33:42
Speaker 2: they almost all came here and they said, I wonder
33:47
Speaker 2: if Trump will actually come and see us. I heard
33:49
Speaker 2: that were here. I came. So we stayed for like
33:51
Speaker 2: four hours, listening to music up on a deck right upstairs.
33:55
Speaker 2: Beautiful and they were great people. So they called me
33:59
Speaker 2: over the least couple of weeks and they said we're
34:02
Speaker 2: going to have a reunion our three years. Would you
34:04
Speaker 2: be able to come? And it was very hard for
34:06
Speaker 2: me to do it logistically, but I said I'll get
34:09
Speaker 2: it done, and I got there and we had a
34:12
Speaker 2: beautiful time. I didn't run away. I didn't, you know,
34:15
Speaker 2: I didn't just walk in and shake hands and walk
34:17
Speaker 2: out like people do. And I wasn't looking at my
34:20
Speaker 2: watch like Joe Biden does. And it was amazing. So
34:26
Speaker 2: I did it for them. I didn't do it for me.
34:29
Speaker 2: I don't need the publicity. I mean I get more
34:31
Speaker 2: publicity probably than anybody. You would know that better than me,
34:34
Speaker 2: but I think maybe more than anybody, maybe more than
34:37
Speaker 2: anybody that's ever lived. I don't know, but I don't
34:41
Speaker 2: think anyone could have anymore. Every time you turn on television,
34:44
Speaker 2: there's like nine different stories, all on different topics in
34:46
Speaker 2: the world of that stuff. As an example, you interview
34:50
Speaker 2: a lot of people, good people, successful people. Let's see
34:54
Speaker 2: how you do with this interview versus them. Okay, I
34:56
Speaker 2: mean I can tell you right now, you're going to
34:59
Speaker 2: get the highest numbers ever had by sometimes a factor
35:02
Speaker 2: of ten. But when a gold Star family asks me
35:14
Speaker 2: to come in and spend time with them, and then
35:17
Speaker 2: they said, sir, we did a ceremony, and then we
35:21
Speaker 2: went down to the graves, which was quite a distance away.
35:25
Speaker 2: They said, sir, would you come to the grave, and
35:29
Speaker 2: then they said when we were there, it's very sad actually,
35:32
Speaker 2: because these people shouldn't have died. They shouldn't have died.
35:35
Speaker 2: They died because of Biden and because of Kamala. They
35:39
Speaker 2: died because it's just like if they pulled the trigger. Okay. Now,
35:43
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's controversial to say, but I
35:45
Speaker 2: don't think it is. Afghanistan was the most incompetently run
35:49
Speaker 2: operation I think I've ever seen military or otherwise. They
35:53
Speaker 2: were incompetent. But the families asked me if i'd go.
35:57
Speaker 2: I did go. Then the family said could we have
36:01
Speaker 2: a picture at the tombstone of my son? And we
36:04
Speaker 2: did son or daughter. There was a daughter too, And
36:08
Speaker 2: I took numerous pictures with the families. I don't know
36:11
Speaker 2: of anybody else that was in the pictures, but they
36:13
Speaker 2: were mostly families. I guess that was it. And then
36:16
Speaker 2: I left. I spent a lot of time with them.
36:19
Speaker 2: Then I left, and I get home that night and
36:22
Speaker 2: I get a call that the Biden administration with Kamala
36:27
Speaker 2: is accusing me of using Arlington for publicity. I was
36:32
Speaker 2: in use, just the opposite, just the opposite, And actually,
36:37
Speaker 2: did you see that? It just came out. The families
36:39
Speaker 2: actually put out a very strong statement defending me. They said,
36:43
Speaker 2: we asked them to be there.
36:44
Speaker 1: Well, politicians and the media can play those games. And
36:47
Speaker 1: you're right, your name gets a lot of use. You're
36:50
Speaker 1: probably legit the most famous person in the world. But
36:56
Speaker 1: on the previous thing, in the spirit of unity, you
36:59
Speaker 1: used to be democrat. Setting the politicians aside, what do
37:04
Speaker 1: you respect most about people who lean left or are
37:09
Speaker 1: democrats themselves, or of that persuasion progresses liberals and so on.
37:15
Speaker 2: Well, look, I respect the fact that everybody's in there,
37:19
Speaker 2: and you know, to a certain extent, life is what
37:23
Speaker 2: you do while you're waiting to die, so you might
37:25
Speaker 2: as well do a good job. I think in terms
37:28
Speaker 2: of what's happening now, I think, you know, we have
37:32
Speaker 2: a chance to save the country. This country's going down,
37:35
Speaker 2: and I called it with Venezuela. I called it with
37:37
Speaker 2: a lot of different countries, and this country's going down
37:41
Speaker 2: if we don't win this election. The election coming up
37:46
Speaker 2: on November fifth is the most important election this country
37:51
Speaker 2: has ever had, because if we don't want it. I
37:53
Speaker 2: don't know that there'll be another election and it's going
37:57
Speaker 2: to be a communist country or close.
38:01
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people listening to this, myself included,
38:04
Speaker 1: that doesn't think that Kama is a communist.
38:09
Speaker 2: Well, she's at Marxist.
38:11
Speaker 1: Her father's a Marxist, and she's advocated she's advocating for
38:16
Speaker 1: some policies that are towards the direction of democratic socialism,
38:21
Speaker 1: let's say. But there's a lot of people that kind
38:23
Speaker 1: of know the way government works and they say, well,
38:25
Speaker 1: none of those policies are going to actually come to reality.
38:29
Speaker 1: It's just being used during the campaign to you know,
38:33
Speaker 1: groceries are too expensive, we need them cheaper, so let's
38:36
Speaker 1: let's talk about price controls. And that's never going to
38:38
Speaker 1: come to reality.
38:39
Speaker 2: It could come to reality. Look, I mean she came
38:41
Speaker 2: out with price control. It's been tried like one hundred
38:44
Speaker 2: and twenty one different times at different places over the years,
38:48
Speaker 2: and it's never worked. Once. It leads to communism, it
38:52
Speaker 2: leads to socialism, it leads to having no food on
38:55
Speaker 2: the shelves, and it leads to tremendous inflation. It's just
39:00
Speaker 2: a bad idea.
39:02
Speaker 1: Whenever we use terms like communism for her. And I
39:05
Speaker 1: don't know if you know this, but some people call
39:07
Speaker 1: you a fascist.
39:08
Speaker 2: Yeah they do, so I figure it's all right to
39:10
Speaker 2: call them a communist. Yeah. They call me a lot
39:13
Speaker 2: worse than I call that.
39:14
Speaker 1: They do. Indeed, it's just sometimes interesting though.
39:17
Speaker 2: They'll call me something that's terrible, and then I'll hit
39:19
Speaker 2: them back and they'll say, isn't it terrible what Trump said?
39:22
Speaker 2: I said, wait a minute, they just called me. So
39:25
Speaker 2: I believe you have to fight fire with fire. I
39:28
Speaker 2: believe they are very evil people. These are evil people.
39:31
Speaker 2: You know, we have an enemy from the outside, and
39:35
Speaker 2: we have an enemy from within, and in my opinion,
39:38
Speaker 2: the enemy from within a radical left lunatics. And I
39:42
Speaker 2: think you have to fight back whenever.
39:44
Speaker 1: There's a lot of fighting fire with fire. It's too
39:48
Speaker 1: easy to forget that there is a middle of America
39:52
Speaker 1: that is h that's moderate and kind of seize the
39:58
Speaker 1: good in both sides and likes one side more than
40:01
Speaker 1: any other in terms of policies. Like I said, there's
40:03
Speaker 1: a lot of people that like your policies, like your
40:06
Speaker 1: skill in being able to negotiate and end wars, and
40:10
Speaker 1: they don't see the impending destruction of America.
40:14
Speaker 2: You know, we had no wars when I was president.
40:17
Speaker 2: That's a big thing. Not since seventy eight years as
40:20
Speaker 2: that happened. But we had no wars when I was president.
40:23
Speaker 2: We defeated ISIS, but that was a war that was
40:25
Speaker 2: started that we weren't anywhere near defeating. But think of it.
40:29
Speaker 2: I had no wars. And Victor Orbon, the Prime Minister
40:32
Speaker 2: of Hungary, said the world has to have Trump back
40:37
Speaker 2: because everybody was afraid of Trump. Now that's what he said.
40:40
Speaker 2: So I'm not using that term, but I think they
40:42
Speaker 2: respected me. But he said China was afraid, Russia was afraid.
40:45
Speaker 2: Everybody was afraid. And I don't care what word they use.
40:52
Speaker 2: Probably that's even a better word if you want another truth,
40:55
Speaker 2: but let's use the word respect. They had respect for me,
40:57
Speaker 2: they had respect for the country. I mean, I ended
41:01
Speaker 2: the North Stream IWO pipeline, the Russian pipeline. Nobody else
41:05
Speaker 2: could have done that. I ended it. Who was done?
41:07
Speaker 2: Then Biden comes in and he gave it, he approved it.
41:11
Speaker 2: So we're defending German in these other countries for peanuts
41:15
Speaker 2: compared to what it's worth, and they're paying the person
41:18
Speaker 2: we're defending them against billions and billions of dollars for energy.
41:24
Speaker 2: I said, how does that work? And we had it
41:27
Speaker 2: out with them and it worked out good, and they
41:29
Speaker 2: they paid hundreds of billions of dollars. Or you wouldn't
41:32
Speaker 2: even have a NATO right now. You wouldn't have NATO
41:34
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for me.
41:36
Speaker 1: As the leader of the United States. You were the
41:39
Speaker 1: most powerful man in the world, as you mentioned, not
41:42
Speaker 1: only the most famous, but the most powerful.
41:44
Speaker 2: And if you.
41:45
Speaker 1: Become leader again, you will have unprecedented power just on
41:50
Speaker 1: your own personal psychology. What does that power do to you?
41:53
Speaker 1: Is there any threat of it corrupting how you see
41:55
Speaker 1: the world.
41:56
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. Look I've been there for
41:58
Speaker 2: four years. I could have done a big number in
42:02
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton. I thought it looked terrible to take the
42:05
Speaker 2: president's wife and put her in prison. She's so lucky.
42:10
Speaker 2: I didn't do anything. She's so lucky. Hillary is a
42:14
Speaker 2: lucky woman because I had a lot of people pushing
42:18
Speaker 2: me to They wanted to They wanted to see something,
42:21
Speaker 2: but I had I could have done something very but
42:24
Speaker 2: I thought it looked so bad. Think of it. You
42:26
Speaker 2: have the president of the United States, and you also
42:28
Speaker 2: had Secretary of State, right she was, But you're going
42:31
Speaker 2: to put the president's wife in prison. And yet when
42:35
Speaker 2: I got out there, you know, they have all these hoaxes.
42:37
Speaker 2: They were all hoaxes. But they have all these dishonest hooxes,
42:42
Speaker 2: just like they did in the past with Russia. Russia,
42:44
Speaker 2: Russia that was a hoax, the fifty one different you know,
42:49
Speaker 2: agencies or agents. That was a hoax. The whole thing
42:53
Speaker 2: was a hoax, the whole There were so many hoaxes
42:57
Speaker 2: and scams. And but I didn't want to put her
43:01
Speaker 2: in jail. And I didn't, and I explained it to people.
43:05
Speaker 2: You know, they say, locker up, locker up. It doesn't
43:08
Speaker 2: we won, I said, we don't want to put her
43:11
Speaker 2: in jail. We want to bring the country together. I
43:13
Speaker 2: want to bring the country together. You don't bring the
43:17
Speaker 2: country together by putting her in jail. But then when
43:20
Speaker 2: I got out, you know, they went to work on me.
43:23
Speaker 2: It's amazing. And they suffer from massive Trump derangements syndrome TDS,
43:33
Speaker 2: and I don't know if it's curable from their standpoint.
43:37
Speaker 1: A lot of people are very interested in the footage
43:39
Speaker 1: of UFOs. The Pentagon has released a few videos and
43:46
Speaker 1: there's been anecdotal reports from fighter pilots. So a lot
43:49
Speaker 1: of people want to know, will you help push the
43:52
Speaker 1: Pentagon to release more footage which a lot of people
43:56
Speaker 1: claim is available.
43:57
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, I'll do that. I would do that.
44:00
Speaker 2: Love to do that. I have to do that. But
44:03
Speaker 2: they also are pushing me on Kennedy and I did
44:06
Speaker 2: release a lot, but I had people come to me
44:09
Speaker 2: and begged me not to do it. But I'll be
44:11
Speaker 2: doing that very early on. Yeah, no, but I would
44:15
Speaker 2: do that.
44:16
Speaker 1: There's a moment where you had some hesitation about Epstein
44:20
Speaker 1: releasing some of the documents on Epstein, Why the hesitation,
44:23
Speaker 1: I don't think.
44:24
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not involved. I never went to his island, fortunately,
44:31
Speaker 2: but a lot of people did.
44:33
Speaker 1: Why do you think so many smart, powerful people allowed
44:37
Speaker 1: him to get so close.
44:42
Speaker 2: He was a good salesman, you know, was a hale
44:45
Speaker 2: and hardy type of guy. He had some nice assets
44:49
Speaker 2: that he'd throw around, like islands. But a lot of
44:52
Speaker 2: big people went to that island, but fortunately I was
44:58
Speaker 2: not one of them.
45:00
Speaker 1: It's just very strange for a lot of people that
45:03
Speaker 1: the list of clients that went to the island has
45:05
Speaker 1: not been made public.
45:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting, isn't It Probably will be, by.
45:12
Speaker 1: The way, So if you're able to, you will be.
45:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly take a look at it now. Kennedy's interesting
45:18
Speaker 2: because it's so many years ago. You know, they do
45:22
Speaker 2: that for danger too, because you know, endangers certain people,
45:25
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. So Kennedy is very different from
45:31
Speaker 2: the Epstein thing. But yeah, I'd be inclined to do
45:33
Speaker 2: the Epstein. I'd have no problem with it.
45:36
Speaker 1: That's great to hear. What gives you strength when you're
45:38
Speaker 1: getting attacked. You're one of the most attacked people in
45:42
Speaker 1: the world.
45:43
Speaker 2: I think you you can't. You can't care that much.
45:47
Speaker 2: I know people that care so much about everything. Like
45:50
Speaker 2: what people are saying, you can't care too much because
45:53
Speaker 2: you end up choking.
45:55
Speaker 1: One of the tragic things about life is that it ends.
45:59
Speaker 1: How often do you think about your death? Are you
46:01
Speaker 1: afraid of it?
46:02
Speaker 2: And I have a friend who's very, very successful, and
46:07
Speaker 2: he's in his eighties and mid eighties, and he has
46:11
Speaker 2: been the exact same question. I said. I turned it around,
46:14
Speaker 2: I said, well what about you? He said, I think
46:17
Speaker 2: about it every minute of every day, and then a
46:21
Speaker 2: week later he called me to tell me something, and
46:23
Speaker 2: he starts off the conversation by going, tick talk tick.
46:29
Speaker 2: This is a dark This is a dark person, you
46:32
Speaker 2: know in a sense. But it is what it is.
46:36
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if you're religious, you have I
46:40
Speaker 2: think a better feeling toward it. You know, you're supposed
46:42
Speaker 2: to go to heaven ideally not hell, but you're supposed
46:46
Speaker 2: to go to heaven if you're good. I think our
46:49
Speaker 2: country is missing a lot of religion. I think it
46:51
Speaker 2: really was a much better place with religion. It was
46:55
Speaker 2: it was almost a guide, you know, to a certain extent.
46:57
Speaker 2: It was a guide you want to be good to
46:59
Speaker 2: people with that religion. There's no real there are no guardrails.
47:04
Speaker 2: I'd love to see us get back to religion, more
47:07
Speaker 2: religion in this country.
47:09
Speaker 1: Well, mister President, thank you for putting yourself out there,
47:11
Speaker 1: and thank you for talking today.
47:13
Speaker 2: Look, I love the country. I want to see the
47:15
Speaker 2: country be great, and we have a real chance of
47:18
Speaker 2: doing it. But it's our last chanson. I appreciate it
47:21
Speaker 2: very much.
47:22
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. Thanks for listening to this conversation
47:26
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47:29
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47:34
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47:36
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47:39
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47:42
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47:46
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47:49
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47:53
Speaker 1: a T shirt, but I figured for this episode I'll
47:56
Speaker 1: keep my suit and tie on, so first this might
47:59
Speaker 1: be a good moment to look back a bit. I've
48:02
Speaker 1: been doing this podcast for over six years, and I
48:06
Speaker 1: first and foremost have to say thank you. I'm truly
48:09
Speaker 1: grateful for the support and the love of gotten along
48:12
Speaker 1: the way it's been, I would say, the most unlikely journey,
48:16
Speaker 1: and on most days I barely feel like I know
48:19
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. But I wanted to talk a bit
48:22
Speaker 1: about how I approach these conversations, how each conversation is
48:26
Speaker 1: its own unique puzzle, so I can't speak generally to
48:29
Speaker 1: how I approach these, but here it may be useful
48:31
Speaker 1: to describe how I approach conversations with world leaders, of
48:35
Speaker 1: which I hope to have many more and do a
48:37
Speaker 1: better job every time. I read a lot of history,
48:42
Speaker 1: and I admire the historian perspective. As an example, I
48:45
Speaker 1: admire William Shire, the author of many books on Hitler,
48:49
Speaker 1: including The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. He
48:53
Speaker 1: was there and lived through it and covered it objectively
48:58
Speaker 1: to the degree that one could academic historians, by the way,
49:03
Speaker 1: criticize them for being a poor historian because he editorialized
49:07
Speaker 1: a little too much. I think those same folks criticized
49:12
Speaker 1: Dan Carlin and his hardcore history podcast. I respect their criticism,
49:17
Speaker 1: but I fundamentally disagree. So in these conversations with world laters,
49:22
Speaker 1: I try to put out my historian hat. I think
49:25
Speaker 1: in the realm of truth and public discourse there's a
49:28
Speaker 1: spectrum between the ephemeral and the eternal. The outrage mob
49:33
Speaker 1: and clickbait journalists are often focused on the ephemeral, the
49:37
Speaker 1: current thing, the current viral shit stormer of mockery and derision.
49:43
Speaker 1: But when the battle of the day is done, most
49:45
Speaker 1: of it will be forgotten. A few true ideas will remain,
49:49
Speaker 1: and those the historian hopes to capture. Now, this is
49:55
Speaker 1: much easier said than done. It's not just about having
49:58
Speaker 1: the right ideals and the entire ready to stick by them.
50:01
Speaker 1: It's not even just about having the actual skill of talking,
50:05
Speaker 1: which I still think I suck at, but let's say
50:10
Speaker 1: it's a work in progress. You also have to make
50:13
Speaker 1: the scheduling work and set up the entirety of the
50:16
Speaker 1: environment in a way that it's conduced to such a conversation.
50:19
Speaker 1: This is hard, really hard. With political and business leaders.
50:23
Speaker 1: They are usually super busy and in some cases super
50:27
Speaker 1: nervous because well, they've been screwed over so many times
50:31
Speaker 1: with clickbait, got your journalism, So to convince them and
50:35
Speaker 1: their team to talk for two, three, four five hours
50:38
Speaker 1: is hard. And I do think a good conversation requires
50:42
Speaker 1: that kind of duration, and I've been thinking a lot
50:44
Speaker 1: about why. I don't think it's just about needing the
50:47
Speaker 1: actual time of three hours to cover all the content.
50:51
Speaker 1: I think the longer form with a hypothetical skilled conversationalist
50:57
Speaker 1: relaxes things and allows people to go on agents and
51:01
Speaker 1: to banter about the details, because I think it's in
51:04
Speaker 1: the details that the beautiful complexity of the person is
51:07
Speaker 1: brought to light. Anyway, I look forward to talking to
51:12
Speaker 1: more world leaders and doing a better job every time.
51:15
Speaker 1: As I said, I would love to do interviews with
51:17
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris and some other political figures on the left
51:21
Speaker 1: and right, including Tim Walls, AOC, Bernie, Barack, Obama, Bill
51:26
Speaker 1: and Hillary And on the right JD. Van Vivek, George
51:29
Speaker 1: w and so on. And on the topic of politics,
51:33
Speaker 1: let me say, as an immigrant, I love this country,
51:36
Speaker 1: the United States of America. I do believe it is
51:39
Speaker 1: the greatest nation on earth. And I'm grateful for the
51:42
Speaker 1: people on the left and the right who step into
51:45
Speaker 1: the arena of politics to fight for this country that
51:48
Speaker 1: I do believe they all love as well. I have
51:52
Speaker 1: reached out to Kamala Harris, but not many of the others.
51:56
Speaker 1: I probably should do a better job with that, but
51:58
Speaker 1: I've been doing most of this my self, all the
52:00
Speaker 1: reach out, scheduling, research prep, recording, and so on. And
52:04
Speaker 1: on top of that, I very much have been suffering
52:06
Speaker 1: from imposter syndrome, with a voice in my head constantly
52:09
Speaker 1: pointing out when I'm doing a shitty job. Plus a
52:13
Speaker 1: few folks graciously remind me on the Internet the very
52:18
Speaker 1: same sentiment of this aforementioned voice. All of this, while
52:22
Speaker 1: I have the option of just hiding away to my
52:24
Speaker 1: tea programming robots and doing some cool AI research with
52:27
Speaker 1: a few grad students, or maybe joining an AI company,
52:30
Speaker 1: or maybe starting my own. All these options make me
52:34
Speaker 1: truly happy. But like I said, on most days, I
52:37
Speaker 1: barely know what I'm doing, so who knows what the
52:40
Speaker 1: future holds. Most importantly, I'm forever grateful for all of you,
52:44
Speaker 1: for your patience and your support throughout this roller coaster
52:48
Speaker 1: of a life I've been on. I love you all. Okay,
52:52
Speaker 1: now let me go on to some of the questions
52:55
Speaker 1: that people had. I was asked by a few people
52:58
Speaker 1: to comment on Pavo dua arrest and on X being
53:01
Speaker 1: banned in Brazil. Let me first briefly comment on the
53:05
Speaker 1: Durov arrest. So basic facts. Pavlo Durov is CEO of Telegram,
53:11
Speaker 1: which is a messenger app that has end encryption mode.
53:15
Speaker 1: It's not on by default and most people don't use
53:18
Speaker 1: the nd to end encryption, but some do. Pavlo was
53:21
Speaker 1: arrested in France on a long list of charges related
53:25
Speaker 1: to quote unquote, criminal activity carried out on the Telegram
53:30
Speaker 1: platform and for quote unquote providing unlicensed cryptology services. I
53:36
Speaker 1: think Telegram is indeed used for criminal activity by a
53:39
Speaker 1: small minority of its users, for example, by terrorist groups
53:43
Speaker 1: to communicate. And I think we all agree that terrorism
53:46
Speaker 1: is bad. But here's the problem. As the old saying goes,
53:50
Speaker 1: one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. And there
53:54
Speaker 1: are many cases in which the world unilaterally agrees who
53:58
Speaker 1: the terrorists are. There are other cases when governments, especially
54:03
Speaker 1: authoritarian inclined governments, tend to pagandize and just call whoever's
54:08
Speaker 1: in the opposition, whoever opposes them, terrorists. There is some
54:12
Speaker 1: room for nuance here, But to me at this time
54:16
Speaker 1: it seems to obviously be a power grab by government
54:20
Speaker 1: wanting to have backdoor access into every platform so they
54:23
Speaker 1: can have censorship power against the opposition. I think generally
54:27
Speaker 1: government should stay out of censoring or even pressuring social
54:31
Speaker 1: media platforms. And I think arresting a CEO of a
54:35
Speaker 1: tech company for the things said on the platform he
54:38
Speaker 1: built is just nuts. It has a chilling effect on him,
54:42
Speaker 1: on people working at Telegram, and on people working at
54:45
Speaker 1: every social media company, and also people thinking of launching
54:48
Speaker 1: a new social media company. Same as the case of
54:51
Speaker 1: X being banned in Brazil. It's I think a power
54:55
Speaker 1: grab by Aleschandre de marias a Supreme Court justice in Brazil.
55:00
Speaker 1: He ordered X to block certain accounts that are spreading
55:03
Speaker 1: quote unquote misinformation Elon and X deny the request. Then
55:09
Speaker 1: De Marius threatened to arrest EX representatives in Brazil, and
55:13
Speaker 1: in response to that, X pulled the representatives out of Brazil,
55:17
Speaker 1: obviously to protect them. And now X, having no representatives
55:22
Speaker 1: in Brazil apparently violates the law. Based on this, De
55:25
Speaker 1: Marius banned X in Brazil. Once again, it's an authoritarian
55:30
Speaker 1: figure seeking censorship power over the channels of communication. I
55:35
Speaker 1: understand that this is complicated because there are evil people
55:38
Speaker 1: in the world, and part of the role of government
55:41
Speaker 1: is to protect us from those evil people. But as
55:44
Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin said, those who can give up essential liberty
55:47
Speaker 1: to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
55:53
Speaker 1: So it's a trade off. But I think in many
55:55
Speaker 1: places in the world, many governments have leaned too far
55:59
Speaker 1: away at this time time from liberty. Okay, next up,
56:03
Speaker 1: I got a question on AI which I emotionally connected with.
56:08
Speaker 1: I'll condense it as follows. Hello, Alex, I'm a programmer
56:13
Speaker 1: and I have a deep fear of flipping into irrelevance
56:17
Speaker 1: because I am worried that AI will soon exceed my
56:19
Speaker 1: programming skills. Let me first say that I relate to
56:24
Speaker 1: your fear. It's scary to have a thing that gives
56:27
Speaker 1: you a career and gives you meaning to be taken away.
56:30
Speaker 1: For me, programming is a passion, and if not for
56:34
Speaker 1: this podcast, it would probably at least in part, be
56:37
Speaker 1: my profession. So I get an uncomfortable feeling every time Claude,
56:42
Speaker 1: the lum I used for coding at this time, just
56:45
Speaker 1: writes a lot of excellent, approximately correct code. I think
56:50
Speaker 1: you can make a good case that it already exceeds
56:53
Speaker 1: the skill of many programmers, at least in the same
56:55
Speaker 1: way that the collective intelligence of stack overflow exceeds the
56:59
Speaker 1: skill of many many individual programmers. But in many ways
57:03
Speaker 1: it still does not. But I think eventually more and
57:07
Speaker 1: more the task the professional programming will be one of
57:13
Speaker 1: writing natural language prompts. I think the right thing to do,
57:16
Speaker 1: and what I'm at least doing is to ride the
57:20
Speaker 1: wave of the ever improving code generating llms and keep
57:25
Speaker 1: transforming myself into a big picture designer versus low level tinkerer.
57:30
Speaker 1: What I'm doing and what I recommend you do is
57:33
Speaker 1: continually switch to whatever state of the RT tool is
57:36
Speaker 1: for generating code. So for me currently, I recently switched
57:39
Speaker 1: from vs code to Cursor, and before that it was
57:42
Speaker 1: Emacs to vs code switch. So Cursor is this editor
57:46
Speaker 1: that's based on vs code that leans heavily on LMS
57:52
Speaker 1: and integrates the code generation really nicely into the editing process,
57:56
Speaker 1: so it makes it super easy to continually lead use
58:00
Speaker 1: the LMS. So what I would advise and what I'm
58:03
Speaker 1: trying to do myself is to learn how to use
58:04
Speaker 1: it and to master its code generation capabilities. I personally
58:08
Speaker 1: try to now allocate a significant amount of time to
58:12
Speaker 1: designing with natural language first versus writing code from scratch,
58:17
Speaker 1: So using my understanding of programming to edit the code
58:23
Speaker 1: that's generated by the LM versus sort of writing it
58:26
Speaker 1: from scratch and then using the LLM to generate small
58:29
Speaker 1: parts of the code. I see it as a skill
58:31
Speaker 1: that I should develop in parallel to my programming skill.
58:34
Speaker 1: I think this applies to many other careers too. Don't
58:37
Speaker 1: compete with AI for your job, learn to use the
58:40
Speaker 1: AI to do that job better. But yes, it is
58:44
Speaker 1: scary and some deep sort of human level, the threat
58:49
Speaker 1: of being replaced, but at least I think will be okay.
58:55
Speaker 2: All right.
58:55
Speaker 1: Next up, I got a very nice audio message in
58:58
Speaker 1: question from a gentleman who is twenty seven and feeling
59:03
Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety about the future. Just recently he
59:06
Speaker 1: graduated with a bachelor's degree and he's thinking about going
59:09
Speaker 1: to grad school for biomedical engineering, but there is a
59:12
Speaker 1: lot of anxiety. He mentioned anxiety many times in the message.
59:16
Speaker 1: It took him an extra while to get his degree,
59:18
Speaker 1: so he mentioned he would be thirty two by the
59:20
Speaker 1: time he's done with his PhD. So it's a big investment.
59:24
Speaker 1: But he said in his heart he feels like he's
59:27
Speaker 1: a scientist. I think that's the most important part of
59:30
Speaker 1: his message. Of your message, By the way, I'll figure
59:33
Speaker 1: out how to best include audio and video messages in
59:36
Speaker 1: future episodes. Now onto the question. So thank you for
59:40
Speaker 1: telling me your story and for submitting the question. My
59:43
Speaker 1: own life story is similar to yours. I went to
59:46
Speaker 1: Drexel University for my bachelor's, master's and doctorate degrees, and
59:53
Speaker 1: I took a while, just as you're doing. I did
59:55
Speaker 1: a lot of non standard things that weren't any good
59:59
Speaker 1: for hypothetical career I'm supposed to have. I trained and
1:00:03
Speaker 1: competed in judo and jiu jitsu for my entire twenties,
1:00:07
Speaker 1: got a black belt from it. I wrote a lot,
1:00:11
Speaker 1: including a lot of really crappy poetry. I read a
1:00:15
Speaker 1: large amount of non technical books, history, philosophy, and literature.
1:00:19
Speaker 1: I took courses on literature and philosophy that weren't at
1:00:22
Speaker 1: all required for my computer science and electrical engineering degrees,
1:00:26
Speaker 1: like of course, on James Joyce. I played guitar in
1:00:30
Speaker 1: bars around town. I took a lot of technical classes,
1:00:35
Speaker 1: many for example, on theoretical computer science, that were way
1:00:39
Speaker 1: more than were needed for the degree. I did a
1:00:41
Speaker 1: lot of research, and I quoted up a bunch of
1:00:44
Speaker 1: projects that didn't directly contribute to my dissertation.
1:00:49
Speaker 2: It was pure.
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Speaker 1: Curiosity and the joy of exploring. So, like you, I
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Speaker 1: took the long way home, as they say, and I
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Speaker 1: regret none of it. Throughout that people around me and
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Speaker 1: even people who loved me, wanted me to hurry up
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Speaker 1: and to focus, especially because I had very little money,
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Speaker 1: and so I had a sense like time was running
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Speaker 1: out for me to take the needed steps towards a
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Speaker 1: reasonable career, and just like you, I was filled with anxiety,
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Speaker 1: and I still am filled with anxiety to this day.
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Speaker 1: But I think the right thing to do is not
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Speaker 1: to run away from the anxiety, but to lean into
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Speaker 1: it and channel it into pursuing with everything you got
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Speaker 1: the things you're passionate about. As you said very importantly,
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Speaker 1: in your heart, you know you're a scientist, so that's it.
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Speaker 1: You know exactly what to do. Pursue the desire to
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Speaker 1: be a scientist with everything you got, get to a
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Speaker 1: good grad school, find a good advisor, and do epic
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Speaker 1: shit with them. And it may turn out in the
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Speaker 1: end that your life will have unexpected chapters. But as
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Speaker 1: long as you're chasing dreams and goals with absolute, unwavering dedication,
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Speaker 1: good stuff will come of it. And also try your
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Speaker 1: best to be a good person. This might be a
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Speaker 1: good place to read the words if by Roger A.
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Speaker 1: Kipling that I often return to when I feel lost
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Speaker 1: and I'm looking for guidance on how to be a
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Speaker 1: better man. If you can keep your head when all
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Speaker 1: about you are losing theirs and blame it on you,
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Speaker 1: If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
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Speaker 1: but make allowance for their doubting too. If you can
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Speaker 1: wait and not be tired by waiting or being lied about,
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Speaker 1: don't deal in lies or being hated, don't give way
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Speaker 1: to hating, And yet don't look too good nor talk
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Speaker 1: too wise. If you can dream and not make dreams
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Speaker 1: your master. If you can think and not make thoughts
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Speaker 1: your aim. If you can meet with triumph and disaster
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Speaker 1: and treat those two impostors just the same. If you
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Speaker 1: can bear to hear the truth you've spoken twisted by
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Speaker 1: knaves to make a trap for food, or watch the
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Speaker 1: things you gave your life to broken and stoop and
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Speaker 1: build them up with worn out tools. If you can
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Speaker 1: make one heap of all your winnings and risk it
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Speaker 1: on one turn of pitch and toss and lose, and
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Speaker 1: start again at your beginnings, and never breathe a word
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Speaker 1: about your loss. If you can force your heart and
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Speaker 1: nerve and sin you to serve your turn long after
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Speaker 1: they are gone, and so hold on when there's nothing
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Speaker 1: in you except the will which says to them, hold on.
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Speaker 1: If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
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Speaker 1: or walk with kings, nor lose the common touch. If
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Speaker 1: neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you. If all
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Speaker 1: men count with you, but none too much. If you
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Speaker 1: can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds worth of
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Speaker 1: distance run Yours is the earth and everything that's in it,
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Speaker 1: and which is more, you'll be a man, my son.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, and see you next time.