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Trump - Putin Summit · Tony Katz | Popcorn Moment

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  Speaker 2: It's a story you need to hear to believe.
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  Speaker 1: Then grab your popcorn because there is more idis There's
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  Speaker 1: a bunch today, and I wanted to start with this,
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  Speaker 1: this conversation about Trump where he's saying that he wants
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  Speaker 1: to meet with Vladimir Putin. I don't know what he
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  Speaker 1: thinks that meaning is going to bring, but I knowing
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  Speaker 1: Trump as we do, it would make sense that he
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  Speaker 1: wants to look a guy in the eye. So Trump
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  Speaker 1: is floating this meeting, saying there's a good chance he
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  Speaker 1: would meet with Putin about the war in Ukraine to
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  Speaker 1: put an end to it. And some people are now
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  Speaker 1: getting to the place of, well, Trump, might you know,
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  Speaker 1: give up the ghost on Ukraine and be like, uh, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: too bad for you, because.
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  Speaker 2: Putin is being obstinate.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see that as the as the case in
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  Speaker 1: the slightest I don't think that that's reality.
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  Speaker 2: The question is where would this meeting take place? Now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't normally go to John Bolton, nor do I
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  Speaker 1: go to CNN, but I thought he made a solid
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  Speaker 1: point worthy of discussion.
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  Speaker 2: I know, shocking, but true. It happens when he said.
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  Speaker 3: This, can't think of anything better from his point of
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  Speaker 3: view than to host Trump at the Kremlin, more logical
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  Speaker 3: place from the US perspective to do it would be
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  Speaker 3: one of the traditional meeting cities, Geneva or Vienna. It's
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  Speaker 3: the logistics are difficult but not impossible, and Trump obviously
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  Speaker 3: wants the meeting, so it'll be very interesting to see
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  Speaker 3: what the arrangements are. But I think Putin will see
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  Speaker 3: it as an opportunity. I think he knows he's deliberately
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  Speaker 3: or inadvertently pushed Trump a little too far, and he'll
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  Speaker 3: have some ideas about how to bring things back in
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  Speaker 3: his direction.
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  Speaker 2: What do you make.
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  Speaker 3: Of what I was told today that it was actually
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  Speaker 3: Putin who suggested this meeting with Trump when he was
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  Speaker 3: meeting with Steve Wikoff. Sure, absolutely, Look is, Russia is
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  Speaker 3: heavily sanctioned by the West as a whole. This is
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  Speaker 3: legitimizing Putin in a way. He hasn't seen anything like
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  Speaker 3: it since the February twenty four, twenty two invasion of Ukraine.
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  Speaker 3: That's why Moscow for him would be the ideal place.
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  Speaker 3: And he's watched how Trump dealt with Kim Jong On
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  Speaker 3: in three meetings in Trump's first term meetings which produced
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  Speaker 3: nothing ultimately, But he sees this as a real opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: He does believe Putin does believe. I think that he
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  Speaker 3: can still work his KGB training on Trump, knowing as
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  Speaker 3: I say that, one way or another, deliberately or not,
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  Speaker 3: he's pushed Trump a little bit beyond the envelope, and
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  Speaker 3: he's going to try and rectify that and also play
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  Speaker 3: a larger game with the sanctions against India, for purchasing
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  Speaker 3: Russian oils, the China question up in the air. There
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  Speaker 3: may be an opportunity here for Putin to advance his
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  Speaker 3: agenda on a number of fronts.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that's Bolton going I think way too far in
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  Speaker 1: the conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Let's take a step back.
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  Speaker 1: Putin does believe that he could still work his KGB
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  Speaker 1: training on Trump ten thousand percent accurate because it is
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  Speaker 1: Bolton engaged in at least the proper assessment of what
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  Speaker 1: it is Vladimir Putin is. And a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: don't do this. Vladimir Putin is a trained KGB agent
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  Speaker 1: who takes it personally.
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  Speaker 2: That the Soviet Union.
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  Speaker 1: Fell, and his entire methodology is about the rebirth, the regrowth,
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  Speaker 1: the not so much with unification, although you could argue
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  Speaker 1: that's why he wants all of Ukraine, or at least
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  Speaker 1: the dunbas a better mother Russia for tomorrow. This is
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  Speaker 1: his want. Everything about him is a lie, Everything about
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  Speaker 1: him is a fraud, Everything about him is a conceit.
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  Speaker 1: That's what the KGB agent is, that's what the training is,
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  Speaker 1: every last bit of it. He absolutely believes that's true.
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  Speaker 1: I was just happy to hear somebody actually say it
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  Speaker 1: out loud, the argument of and Trump could fall for it.
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  Speaker 1: So this is where the divide is because it is insulting,
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  Speaker 1: beyond insulting, and gross beyond gross to think that somehow
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  Speaker 1: this KGB Svengali thing is going to work on Trump
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  Speaker 1: as well. Trump's weak or Trump's this or Trump's that.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no no no.
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  Speaker 1: That's not the case. These things worked on two types
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  Speaker 1: of people. One could argue, first it worked on those
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  Speaker 1: who were susceptible, who were absolutely interested in what the
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  Speaker 1: communists had to offer, right, that's about being supportive. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Then it worked on people who had an amb ambition
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  Speaker 1: beyond their desire. Trump's desire is a peace deal so
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  Speaker 1: he can get accolades. He isn't The first part of
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  Speaker 1: this isn't playing on an American part. It's playing on
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  Speaker 1: a personal part. And that's okay because the second part
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  Speaker 1: we be playing on an American part. You think Trump's
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  Speaker 1: gonna put America in danger because Viti Putin's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: able to pull a fast one.
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  Speaker 2: To believe that is to have believed Russia Russia Russia
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  Speaker 2: from the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: That only works if Russia has more power and if
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  Speaker 1: there's more pressure at play. If there's something extracted that
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  Speaker 1: Trump thinks is more valuable than his own reputation at home,
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  Speaker 1: how does that work? How could that possibly work? You've
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  Speaker 1: already seen that the Russian military is a joke. These
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  Speaker 1: guys can't fight. These guys don't know how to fight.
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  Speaker 1: These guys don't know how to stand in a straight line.
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  Speaker 1: If it wasn't for Rushi having nuclear weapons, Russia would
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  Speaker 1: not exist on a map today. No chance everybody would
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  Speaker 1: take that country and they'd take the oil that comes
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  Speaker 1: with it. So what training is now going to somehow
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  Speaker 1: work on Trump? Because Trump is weak. See that's the
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  Speaker 1: part that is mythology. What is factual is that absolutely
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  Speaker 1: Putin believes it. People would take something like this and say,
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  Speaker 1: you see Trump is susceptible to.
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  Speaker 2: X, Y and Z.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's that Putin still believes that he's playing from
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  Speaker 1: a position of strength and that he can utilize these
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  Speaker 1: tactics to some level of advantage. Now he utilizes the
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  Speaker 1: tactics when he says, oh, sure we'll talk about this
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  Speaker 1: or that Donald's and he engages in bombings in Kiev
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  Speaker 1: or trone attacks there on the Romanian border, as he
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  Speaker 1: did the other day, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, But in getting the concession that you would be
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  Speaker 2: a fool.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of that was based on the idea of
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  Speaker 1: the strength of Russia, the belief that Russia was gonna
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  Speaker 1: go somewhere, that this thing that the Soviet Union had value,
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  Speaker 1: there's no value there. You fell apart, You collapsed in
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  Speaker 1: the most humiliating way ever. You lost to Reagan, you
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  Speaker 1: lost to a movie actor. Now you're gonna lose to
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  Speaker 1: a TV star. Gosh, that's a lot of embarrassment Vladimir.
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  Speaker 1: But is Vladimir going to try? That's the story. It's
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  Speaker 1: that he believes he can do it. He believes in
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  Speaker 1: this KGB training. That's who he is to his soul.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's an important understanding of what we're dealing
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  Speaker 1: with in the Russian leadership.