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ANOTHER AMAZING INTERVIEW SC BOOKGAL & FRIENDS SIT DOWN WITH DR DARTIS · DA CREW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In patrice grimball let it all begin.
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  Speaker 3: It's free literary Another Tuesday night. So y'all heard the music.
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  Speaker 3: I'm about to bring y'all a new book and a
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  Speaker 3: new author. But how we always start, how are you guys? Well, me,
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  Speaker 3: I just get finished working this election, you guys. So
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  Speaker 3: I work the runoff election. I have to say election
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  Speaker 3: because I have the tendency to keep on saying, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I got to go work the polls. And my coworkers
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  Speaker 3: are like, can you not say that? I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know it sounded like that. I work the election.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all know I am big on getting our voices heard.
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  Speaker 3: So November, do your thing.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 3: This show, I would say, is for the little people,
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  Speaker 3: the younger people in our life.
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  Speaker 5: But I think it has to start with us. You
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  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: And I have Dr. Dartis that is with me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: And she's going to help us with this book, okay,
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  Speaker 3: you guys? That is the cutest little book I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 3: But the cover got me, because y'all know I'm a
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  Speaker 3: cover girl. And I saw the spin that she did
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  Speaker 3: in the cover with... Nah, I ain't going to tell
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  Speaker 3: y'all yet. I'm going to let y'all see for y'allself.
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  Speaker 3: But I would like to welcome to SC Book Y'all's
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  Speaker 3: and Friends, Dr. Dartis. Hey, girl.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, hey.
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  Speaker 3: It's an honor to have you with us tonight. But
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  Speaker 3: before we go any further, because I was this close
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  Speaker 3: to giving them something but the cover. I'm not going
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  Speaker 3: to do it yet, you guys. But tell us a
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  Speaker 3: little bit about yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I'm from Indianapolis, Indiana. I was born in Cleveland,
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  Speaker 2: but raised here. I have one daughter, one adult daughter,
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  Speaker 2: and one grandbaby, Trinity. Currently, I work as a therapist
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  Speaker 2: and as a behavior consultant for two different companies. So
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  Speaker 2: Michelle's pretty busy. What else did I do? And of course, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: I'm the author of I Wish I Was White, Racial
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  Speaker 2: Identity and Self-Esteem. And I'm also the publisher. My company
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  Speaker 2: is called Levermark Press LLC, which I just got about
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  Speaker 2: a month ago.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Congratulations, y'all. She did that. Girl, congratulations. I love when
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  Speaker 3: authors say, and I have my own publishing company, like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: icing on the cake, mic drop, can't see. Congratulations. How
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  Speaker 3: does it feel? To have your own publishing company.
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  Speaker 6: It feels magnificent.
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  Speaker 2: I started my company back in 2021, though, when I
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  Speaker 2: published my very first book, which is an adult book.
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  Speaker 2: So I did not picture myself writing children's stories until
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  Speaker 2: my grandbaby came along. So she's the one that inspired
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  Speaker 2: me to write children's stories.
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  Speaker 6: And now I have one.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we were talking about behind the scenes, you guys.
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  Speaker 3: And that's one of the things about it that I
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  Speaker 3: always tell people this story. I have a 23-year-old and
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  Speaker 3: an 11-year-old. And y'all don't judge me. Don't judge me.
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  Speaker 3: I went around the mulberry bush when I was halfway
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  Speaker 3: out the door.
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: Please don't judge me because I think about it all
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  Speaker 3: the time. But I wouldn't treat a girl not having
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  Speaker 3: my little girl. And somebody didn't tell me that. So
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  Speaker 3: that's a whole different show. So when my son was younger...
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  Speaker 3: He only could read books about dogs, little white boys,
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  Speaker 3: and where the main character was either a little white
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  Speaker 3: kid or some type of animal. We rarely did have
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  Speaker 3: any characters of color unless they were a secondary and
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  Speaker 3: it came in and came out the scene. Or the
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  Speaker 3: book was.
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  Speaker 5: About a little white girl. But my daughter and her kids.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 5: I am just so happy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so happy these authors, like, y'all heard the cries
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  Speaker 3: about parents, of us parents. I won't say our parents,
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  Speaker 3: but us parents, because this happened in my kids' generation.
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  Speaker 3: You heard us say, please represent our kids. You heard us.
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  Speaker 3: And to that doctor, I say thank you.
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  Speaker 2: You're welcome. You're welcome.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, very much so.
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  Speaker 3: My baby picks up these books, and they got that
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  Speaker 3: girl power in them, and I'm like, you go, girl. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: now if I can only get her off of Hamilton,
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm going to show.
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  Speaker 2: Her.
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  Speaker 3: I think that might scar her. But Hamilton, he's a pillar, too.
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  Speaker 2: That's true.
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  Speaker 3: He'll let him pass. We'll let him in the community.
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  Speaker 3: But I really... I love the fact that they are
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  Speaker 3: now seeing the representation of our kids. For example, the
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  Speaker 3: Proud family. I don't think much people caught there was
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  Speaker 3: a girl, African-American female character who always had a book
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  Speaker 3: in her hand.
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  Speaker 5: And they made it so you could see the title
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  Speaker 5: of the book.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. I didn't watch it, though. But I'm glad to
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  Speaker 2: know that.
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  Speaker 3: You guys too. It tackles a lot of issues. The
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  Speaker 3: best thing about it is me and my daughter are
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  Speaker 3: able to talk about it. And again, there was somebody that.
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  Speaker 2: Saw the call.
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  Speaker 3: We need characters of color. And they brought it out
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  Speaker 3: and they brought it to where we can actually talk
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  Speaker 3: about certain issues. Let's bring it back to you because
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  Speaker 3: you are one of those authors who's done that.
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  Speaker 5: And again, I thank you.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 6: Did you see?
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  Speaker 3: Of course you saw that it was a need.
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  Speaker 2: But why did you? Yeah, why? Yeah, let me give
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  Speaker 2: you the background about the book. So my grandbaby is
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  Speaker 2: now nine. She was six when this happened. I can
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  Speaker 2: tell you, we were walking out of Kroger grocery store
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  Speaker 2: and going to my vehicle. All of a sudden, out
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  Speaker 2: of the blue, she said, I wish I was white.
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  Speaker 2: And I just stopped in my tracks. I was like, huh?
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  Speaker 2: Where did that come from? I could not believe it.
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  Speaker 2: I was floored, obviously. I never thought that. Never wanted
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  Speaker 2: that for myself. So to hear my six-year-old grandbaby at
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  Speaker 2: the time say it, I was like, whoa, what's going
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  Speaker 2: on here? Told her mother when I got home, when
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  Speaker 2: we got back home. Got on social media. I just
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  Speaker 2: couldn't believe that. I just could not let it go.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about it and everything. When I asked her,
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  Speaker 2: why would she say such a thing? Her reply was,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. She just kind of dropped her head
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  Speaker 2: and said, I don't know. So That led me, I
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  Speaker 2: knew I had to do something. So I said, I
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  Speaker 2: need to write her a book. Now this is my
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  Speaker 2: second book. The first one is about her too. It's
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  Speaker 2: called Trinity's Arrival from Heaven. That's another story. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: so she encouraged me to write this book. I said,
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  Speaker 2: I need to do something. I can't just let this
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  Speaker 2: go I had to bring something to her to remind
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  Speaker 2: her who she is where she comes from and that
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  Speaker 2: she's worthy as well as other kids, you know who
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  Speaker 2: feel you know feel like they're less than or Unworthy
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  Speaker 2: so I said let me sit down. I'm gonna write
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  Speaker 2: her a book an affirmation book So I said what
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  Speaker 2: am I gonna include? I was like well, I Let
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  Speaker 2: me include our ancestors and what they did, you know,
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  Speaker 2: what they brought to the world and their accomplishments. So
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  Speaker 2: I have like my dad in it. He was in
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  Speaker 2: the service. All these other folks know her ancestors. But
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  Speaker 2: when I got to my grandfather, Herbert Hawkins, my mom's dad,
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  Speaker 2: I knew at one time that he had a gas
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  Speaker 2: station and a taxi service here in our city or
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  Speaker 2: my city. But I didn't know the details of it.
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  Speaker 2: So long story short, I ended up uncovering all kind
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  Speaker 2: of stuff that we didn't know as a family about
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  Speaker 2: his life. You know, but once he was gone, you know,
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  Speaker 2: my mom didn't really talk about him. My grandmother didn't either.
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  Speaker 2: And I believe it was because they were traumatized. So Trinity,
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  Speaker 2: in other words, she opened up a whole nother door
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  Speaker 2: for me when it comes to some other stuff that
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  Speaker 2: got going on with public history and public speaking and
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  Speaker 2: stuff like that. But, yeah, going back to the story,
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  Speaker 2: that is why I wrote it for her. And I said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and it was somebody else, another writer that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, said, you should name it that. And I
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  Speaker 2: had to give her credit. She said, you should name it.
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  Speaker 2: I wish I was white. And that's why I said, well, OK,
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  Speaker 2: I can do that. But I'm going to have to
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  Speaker 2: add that second part, you know, racial identity and self-esteem. Again,
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  Speaker 2: to remind her and other kids who feel that stand
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  Speaker 2: are unworthy that they are. They are. They are made
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  Speaker 2: like they're supposed to look like they are here because
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  Speaker 2: they're supposed to be here. And I wanted her to
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  Speaker 2: make sure she embraces who she is, her Blackness, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in other words, as well as other kids. So that's
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  Speaker 2: how the story came about.
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  Speaker 5: And that is excellent because my daughter goes to a school.
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  Speaker 3: It's a very good school, you guys. There's a whole
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  Speaker 3: article about the school and how the grades and the
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  Speaker 3: education in the school is wonderful. But when I went
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  Speaker 3: to the meet the teacher night. I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: this is out of my element. Unfortunately, I look at
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  Speaker 3: the school that she came from, which was predominantly African American,
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  Speaker 3: into now a school that is predominantly white, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: how do I as a parent make sure she knows
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  Speaker 3: that you are smart, you are You are supposed to
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  Speaker 3: be here without the look of this is what is portrayed.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm even looking at the makeup of the teachers
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  Speaker 3: at the school. That was another thing that got me.
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  Speaker 3: So like I said, I can remember my daughter and
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  Speaker 3: her wanting to have this silky press hair. baby, girl,
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  Speaker 3: when you came out, it was cotton picking. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: even going to get it. My son came out with
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  Speaker 3: these nice little baby curls. My daughter came out with
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  Speaker 3: cotton picking. I remember I was looking at her like, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We used to call her.
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  Speaker 5: Our little mini George Jefferson.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: That's how my baby looked.
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  Speaker 3: To have this book in to to get her out
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  Speaker 3: kids to say you're black.
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  Speaker 6: Is beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: How how did you feel when you actually gave this
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  Speaker 3: book to your granddaughter and say hey you know i
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  Speaker 3: want you to read this how how did it feel
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  Speaker 3: to have her reading it um.
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  Speaker 2: It felt wonderful you know i really think you know
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  Speaker 2: she was so young though at the time like i
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  Speaker 2: said she was six But I still think that it
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  Speaker 2: helped her. And then after that, we just made sure
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  Speaker 2: that we reaffirmed her as a person, as a human,
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  Speaker 2: as a black little girl. My daughter and I have
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  Speaker 2: the same affirmations to her every day, reminding her that
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  Speaker 2: she's beautiful, that she's smart, kind, all those different things.
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  Speaker 2: We did that every day to help, you know, instill
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  Speaker 2: that in her that, you know, you are who you are.
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  Speaker 2: And it's all right. It's all right. You are the
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  Speaker 2: person that you were made to be. you are made
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  Speaker 2: in God's image, just like all the rest of us.
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  Speaker 2: So there's nothing wrong with you, you know, and to
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  Speaker 2: let her make sure she got rid of that feeling
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  Speaker 2: that she, you know, about wanting to be white. It still,
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  Speaker 2: it still is unbelievable, unbelievable to even say it now.
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  Speaker 2: She's nine years old, but just to know that she
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  Speaker 2: said that at one time it felt that way, you know?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And, and, and the bad thing is we do
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  Speaker 3: not know what these thoughts or how they, they, put
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  Speaker 3: these together because I remember seeing a documentary where they
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  Speaker 3: put a doll out, black doll, white doll.
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  Speaker 5: And they told the kids to choose what doll they wanted.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: 90% of everybody went for the white doll.
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  Speaker 2: There were some little girls.
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  Speaker 3: Who went for the black doll. But they were going
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  Speaker 3: to the white doll because they were saying it was pretty.
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  Speaker 5: It was clean, it was nice.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, I look at the documentary and it
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  Speaker 3: blew my mind. I'm like, I'm not dirty. I've seen
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  Speaker 3: some dirty ones now, but I'm pretty. I'm nice. I
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  Speaker 3: have to remind my daughter that it's not in the color.
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  Speaker 3: White does not make you right.
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  Speaker 5: No, you guys, don't shoot the messenger in so many words.
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  Speaker 3: I have plenty of my colleagues who are, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: not even going to say, we're going to say white.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to say black and white because it's not
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  Speaker 3: African American. We're going to be plain and blunt with it.
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  Speaker 5: I got them, they got me.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? But then there's some others
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  Speaker 3: who feel the way they feel.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: That leads up to this question of what do you
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  Speaker 3: say when white individuals look at your book and they're like,
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  Speaker 3: you didn't have to do that.
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  Speaker 5: What do you say to them?
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  Speaker 3: Because they're going to be individuals that are going to
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  Speaker 3: do that and say that, what do you say to them?
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  Speaker 2: That is an excellent question. I have not encountered that yet.
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  Speaker 2: Now this book was published in 2025 last year, I
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  Speaker 2: think 24, one of them. I haven't had that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that kind of interaction yet. And of course what I
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  Speaker 2: could say in return would be like, just to reiterate
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  Speaker 2: what we already know as black people, You know, the
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  Speaker 2: importance of representation, you know, that old saying, representation matters.
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  Speaker 2: And it really does. How our life is different, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in this country, you know, the people who
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  Speaker 2: live here, we know as black people, the kind of
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  Speaker 2: things that we have to deal with when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to stereotyping, you know, discrimination, racism. All those different things. So, again,
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  Speaker 2: I have not encountered that yet. In fact, my public library,
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  Speaker 2: they have two copies of that book. They bought two
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  Speaker 2: copies of it, along with all my other books, too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they have all of them. So, no, I have not
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  Speaker 2: been questioned yet. Maybe that might come. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see. But I'll be ready. I will definitely be
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  Speaker 2: ready to come back.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason why I asked that question, because that
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  Speaker 3: question has been stated down here in South Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. No, I have not heard that.
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  Speaker 3: There is a book.
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  Speaker 5: There's a book about the Gullah Geechee culture, which is
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  Speaker 5: African Americans.
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  Speaker 3: And the lady was like, why do you have to
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  Speaker 3: have that book up there? We're all in this together.
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  Speaker 3: And he was like, oh, well, no, because just like
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  Speaker 3: we got this, and you didn't say anything about this,
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  Speaker 3: and you didn't say anything about that, but you're going
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  Speaker 3: to talk about this book? Make it make sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's not them. They have to question it, be
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  Speaker 2: it Black people, other people of color, LGBTQ people. They
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  Speaker 2: always got something to say. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, always. So there is just a little Black girl
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  Speaker 3: in you who read this book. What would you say
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  Speaker 3: to her after she reads this book?
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  Speaker 2: Um, wow, that's a good question too. Uh, it was,
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  Speaker 2: it was, I just, I can see myself reflecting, reflecting
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  Speaker 2: back on myself and on my family members as I
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  Speaker 2: do include my family, you know, actual real people, family
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  Speaker 2: members in the book. Um, I would be, I would
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  Speaker 2: feel reaffirmed. I think if I was that little girl, um,
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  Speaker 2: I definitely didn't have any books like that when I
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  Speaker 2: was growing up, uh, for sure. So just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: seeing the beautiful colors in the book, because it is
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  Speaker 2: a beautiful, you know, brightly bright colors. The illustrator did
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  Speaker 2: a great job, you know, on helping bring my story
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: to fruition. I have to give her that. Her name
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: is Nina Richard. But yeah, I think I would just
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: feel affirmed, you know, as a Black girl, a little
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Black girl, you know, and knowing that I'm okay, you know,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: that I am worthy and that I was made in
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: God's image. I believe that's how I would feel if
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I was Little Michelle.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: That's a good one.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Nina Richards. No, no.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: No S.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: No S.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Richard.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: It's Nina Richard. You did it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: Chef's kiss. You did that.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: The cover was enough for me. As you guys, you
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: can see the cover on the screen.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Isn't that beautiful? Yeah, I have it right here. I
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: had to make sure I brought it for you to
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: see it.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Wait till I get in the camera.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: The biggest self-esteem is something that is not talked about
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: as much as it used to be back in let's
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: say 2000s 90s 2000s you would always say self-esteem self-esteem
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: self-esteem but you don't hear that much what what do
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: you feel is the the the basis or the foundation
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: that we, as parents, have to set for our kids
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: when it comes down to the self-esteem. We understand the
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: racial identity. We understand that part. But self-esteem nowadays is
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: not something that is talked about.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: So what is the foundation that we need to lay
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: for our kids?
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Another excellent question. Um, and again, no one has ever
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: brought that to me. So give me a second.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: Uh, I don't agree with you about it, it.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Not being, um, at the forefront, like it once was even,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I think even, you know, like in the nineties and
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: early two thousands, the blackness, you know, with all the
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: other groups, uh, the rapping life has changed. The world
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: has changed. And, um, things that are being presented to
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: our younger generations, they scare me. I'm not happy with
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: what's going on with the, that all this stuff, you know,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: going on that my, nine-year-old grandbaby is being subjected to.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I think it comes back to us as parents and
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: as caregivers, guardians. It's important for us to instill that
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: in our younger generation. You're right. I don't believe that
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: it happens enough. I think that people are so caught
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: up in other stuff, just being online and on TikTok
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: and you know, just always clicking, clicking, clicking, clicking on
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: their phone. They're just, you know, living vicariously online and
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: that's just not real life. So I think it's important
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: for parents, et cetera, to, you know, reiterate, you know,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: that in their children or whatever, you know, their nieces
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: and nephews or whoever, young people in their lives about
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: self-esteem because it is important and we all need that,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: you know, that encouragement, that reinforcement. So that's what I
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: would say to folks out there for the younger generation,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: because it is important. That is so true, because what's
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: being portrayed out here now for our kids is mad ridiculous.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: It is.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: It is. I don't like it. I don't like it
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: at all. I don't like her listening to all that stuff.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: My daughter is hooked on Hamilton. She can recite every
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: word in Hamilton. And even when it comes to Hamilton,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: we break it down. This happened, but this didn't happen.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: She does not listen to the music that they have
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: of today. You would have thought Michael Jackson was the
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: newest thing on the block, how the way she listened
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: to it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Hold on. I'm a Prince fan. I have to represent
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: for my boy. I don't know if I can turn my.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, not the Prince. No, not Prince.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to twist my hand. Yeah.
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: I know it's going to come out.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I'm a lifelong fan. Yeah, that's my boy. And I
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: like Michael too now, but Prince has always been in
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: first place for me. Has always been in first place.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: I had to represent the second one real quick.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Keep that Prince in mind because I'm going to ask
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: you a question about that in the hot seat. Don't worry.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: But when you look at what the representation is now
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: for our young, and I'm just talking about our young
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Black girls.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: I'm not even going to talk our young.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Black girls is like, wow, we got nails at nine
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: years old and we got tracks and stuff like that. Like, no,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: we do that. You know, it takes away of the
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: natural beauty of our girls. It gives them this synthetic. Now, listen,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: I am for the synthetic. Believe you me, guys. I
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: got a ponytail in the back of my head that
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: does not even belong to me. So I ain't even
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: going to front about that. But guess what? I'm of
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: age and I know my true identity. Or I know
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: this makeup identity. You know what I'm saying? So if
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: you are a fan, and if you have seen my
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: show before, you know there's something that's called the hot seat.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: So you are in the questionnaire hot seat. Now, we
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: about to have some fun. These are questions that I
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: ask our authors to get them to think off the brain.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: And they include music and acting, movies, things that when
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: people come to the library, they ask me questions and
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: this is the most relatable way to get them to
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: choose a book.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: So, We're going to go back to Lifetime Movie Network,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: because I love Lifetime Movie Network. I call it the
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: ain't a man channel. You know, they always trying to,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: you know. You know, my mom, my grandma used to
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: look at it, and I used to be.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Like, all right, who done passed? The wife.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: The sister did it. You know, stuff like that. But
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Lifetime has lately been doing these biopics. I've seen the
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: ones that Mary J. Blige did. I love those movies.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: The Tony Blacks and the Clark sisters. Oh my God,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: I love the Clark sisters. So Lifetime called and they say,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: you know what? We love the book. I wish I
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: was white.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: Racial identity and self-esteem.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: We want to write about you or make a documentary
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: of you coming up with this book.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: But we got to find some people to play these characters.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: You know, you got to get the right person to
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: bring it to life.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: So you said it was you and your granddaughter together
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: coming out the grocery store, which you said, correct?
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Well, guess what? That's the scene we want to make
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: sure that we cast the right people for. Who would
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: you give the part to to play you? But it
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: has to be a soul sister from the 70s or
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: the 80s. Who would you choose?
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I have to be honest. The first person that came
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: to mind was Queen Latifah.
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: That's the first person that came to mind.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: So why Queen Latifah?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: That's just who came to mind. I have to be honest.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: As you were talking, who I like to see play me,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I'm a fan of Queen, and I appreciate everything she's
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: done in her entire career over three decades or whatever
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: it's been. She was at a WNBA basketball game. I
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: think last night I was watching a game on the
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: night before or whatever it was.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, I saw her.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm like, man, look at her.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: You know, she's just, I love her. She's an inspiration
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: for me, you know, as a Black woman, you know,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: and everything that she's done and accomplished in her career,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: starting all the way back, you know, being one of
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: the first female, you know, rappers. Yeah, so I would
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: have to say Queen.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: You did that. I love her book, Fix Your Crown.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Oh my God, I love her books.
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: You don't have to read that.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: It's beautiful.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: She does the jazz for me. She's done jazz albums and,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: of course, acting. I mean, just producing, everything. Yeah, talk show.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: I think she has.
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: Done it all.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: I really think she has done it all.
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. When you think about it, yeah, go
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: back in her history, yeah.
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: Oh, my God.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I like that.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: You got some really good questions.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: So we got Queen Latifah playing you, but we got
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: to get somebody to play your granddaughter. Trinity is her name?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, Trinity. Okay.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: So who would you give the chance to play Trinity?
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I don't really know any young little kid actors, so
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I really cannot say, to be honest.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: You know what? When looking at the book and listening
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: to you talk, I'm really thinking about Rudy Huxley.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. You said go back. That's right. You
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: did say go back in time. Yeah. What's that little
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: girl's name? The daughter. Keisha Knight Pulliam. Her. Pulliam. Yes.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: Y'all can see her too.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: I can see her.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Because I can see the pixie tails and I can
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: see you guys walking.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: Hand in hand and having that conversation.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: So we got Queen Latifah and Keisha Knight Pulliam. So now,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: of course, every good movie has to have a theme song.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Which one of Prince's songs would be your theme song
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: and why?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. For this movie?
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Remember the movie is about you writing this book. So
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: it's about you. So which one of those Prince songs
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: you can't help but to get up and move?
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: What came to mind in thinking about it was The
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Beautiful Ones. The Beautiful Ones.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: I kid you not. I was in a real dumb
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: relationship and he was the biggest Prince fan it is.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Oh my God, I hated Prince after him. Sorry, Prince.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I just went to Prince after him. Every
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: time he get in the car, diamonds. Lee, did she
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: find her pearls yet?
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: That's one of my favorites too. It's too many to say.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I can't just choose just one. But yeah, you have
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: to listen to the beautiful ones. That's on the Purple
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Rain album.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: And that's another thing. I never understood the movie Purple Rain.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: I must have seen like two, three times. I never
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: understood it. Why not?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: What are you missing?
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: I guess the whole point Like, why are you on
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: the stage singing Purple Rain and your mama getting beat up?
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: I just never understood it. And what vanity? That was
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: vanity in the movie. Like, where the devil she come from?
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: That was Apollonia.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Apollonia. See, look, I don't even know the right person.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: And I have to admit, I like to... I'm knocking
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: stuff over. Who is it? Morris Day. I did like him.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: His character is like over the top, but I just.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Way over the top. Way over the top. When they
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: put that woman in the trash can. You remember that part?
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: I was like, no.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: That ain't cool.
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: That ain't cool.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: That's me. Why you at the river, dog?
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I just.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: I might because I like you and I'm really enjoying
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: your book in this conversation. I might give it one
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: more try.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Please do. Please do.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: And Harlem Nights. Those two movies I just could not
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: get into. I don't know. Please don't revoke my black
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: card y'all because I've looked at everything else. I just
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: can't get into those. I looked at Harlem Nights and
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I'm like He took off her pinky toe, and that
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: was supposed to be funny. Like, yo, what if she
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: had bleed out? Oh, my God, you're missing the point. No,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: let's do it.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Don't, y'all, please don't take my card. I promise you.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I'm going to have herbal rain. I'm going to do it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: I promise y'all, okay?
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: So we have Queen Latifah is you. We have Keisha
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Knight Pulliam for your granddaughter, Trini. We have the beautiful
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: ones as your theme song, but now we need to
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: have someone to help you because, you know, after every author,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: there is a co-author. What author would you like to
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: co-author your biopic of writing this book with?
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: It can be the author you love, author you would
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: want to write a book with.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Who would it be? I have to go with my
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: favorite author, Audre Lorde. And why did you choose her?
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Do you know who she is, though? Do you know her?
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I didn't think so. Look her up. Audre Lorde, she
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: was an educator, author, all those different things, professor, a poet.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: In fact, she was a poet laureate, I want to
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: say like in 1993 or something like that. I want
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: to say in New York City. Her book, Zombie, a
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: new spelling of my name is what I, you know,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: when I fell in love with her, uh, she actually
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: died from cancer. Um, I don't know. It's just her
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: style of writing. So, so honest. Um, so real, um,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: kind of poetic, you know, because she did poetry, she
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: did prose, all kinds of different kinds of writings. And so, yeah,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: she is definitely, um, the one I would choose. Not like,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: like Terry McMillan, Alice Walker, uh, you know, those people too. Um,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Richard Wright, um, Of course, James Baldwin. So there's quite
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: a few others that come after her, but I would
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: have to say she's number one though.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: She's number one for me. So I just pulled it up.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I have the cover.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: I have the book and I just added.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: To my 2BR.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: You'll enjoy it.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: That's why I like you sometimes, but sometimes I don't
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: like you. No, you were saying something?
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I love to impart knowledge on people that I encounter.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: That's one of my favorite things to do as an
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: educator myself. And speaking of that, I just want to
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: let you know, too, before we close, I do have
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: an MLS degree. That's one of my degrees. I went
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: to library school. Unfortunately, though, I.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Was a part of a program, an initiative.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: That Here in the state of Indiana The program was
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: called Indiana Librarians Leading in Diversity And the whole point
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: of it Was to recruit people of color To become
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: librarians here in our state Which is like 98% white
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: women Did the program Loved it, all those different things
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: But unfortunately Myself and several other people Were not able
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: to secure positions Here in this state But I really
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: did Enjoy the program I.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Have to admit that I was fortunate to go to
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: a conference, a national conference, and I felt like a
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: fly in coffee.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: It was wild.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: This was a national conference, and it wasn't until I
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: went to one of the sessions, and it was a
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Black African-American librarians and how they want it. It's a
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: documentary that's supposed to be coming out. It says, We
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Are Librarians. Are We Librarians? I cannot remember. But when
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: that comes out, it is a beautiful documentary on Black librarianship. Man,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: I was in this room and I saw so many
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: of us just be... Tiffany had to say, I have
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: found my tribe. But it was so beautiful to see
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: so many she's, not even women, men, directors. It was like, yo,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: it's crazy. But fortunately for me in the system that
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: I work in, my mentor, God bless her from where
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: she is now, I was able to have a lot
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: of African-American librarians in my career. And it's been an
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: honor to work with them to see there's a big
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: difference in the gap. But when you see the work
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: that we do, it's funny because people will think it's
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: this person. No, it's that person that did it.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: My mentor was a branch manager.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: I have an African-American children's librarian manager. It's crazy. I
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: love it. Even when I go to schools and places now,
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: they'll be like, you work at a library? Yes, we read. Oh,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: I thought you were the person who put off the books. See,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: that's some fine words right there. We about to go outside.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: So I thank you for being a librarian. I thank you.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I got the degree, but I
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: was never able to find a position. So, but yeah.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Listen, you got the MLIS degree. That makes you a librarian.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: So look at you.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: I'll take that.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: I'll take that.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Another thing, I encounter a lot of people who don't
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: know that you have to have a master's degree to
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: be a librarian. I encountered somebody today, matter of fact.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: She was like, you got to have a master's degree
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: to be a librarian. I'm like, yeah, you do.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: And it's trying to break that because literally when you
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  Speaker 3: move up, like I started working at the library when
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  Speaker 3: I was 25 years old.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: I look at some of them, I'm like, listen here,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: You paying how much for their degree and how much
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: you get paid a year? Look at here. Do the math, okay?
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: So a lot of library systems are now doing it,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: whereas they're called paraprofessionals. They have the MLIS degree, but
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  Speaker 3: they're keeping up with credits and continuing education classes to
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  Speaker 3: have a certain amount to recertify yourself. So there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people that are just doing that now, which
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: I think is a great way. Because I always tell people,
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  Speaker 3: everybody ain't meant to go to college.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: No, no, they're not.
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  Speaker 3: So, I mean, we got to find ways. I won't
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: say workarounds, but I'll say legitimate steps to go.
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: What you need to be.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: To get there. Yeah.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: So before we leave, tell us how we can follow
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  Speaker 3: you on social media or if you have any events
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  Speaker 3: coming up.
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: Just tell us a little bit with the rundown.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I do have a couple of events here in my city.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Go back to my grandfather, Herbert Hawkins. And my rediscovery
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: of him, I have two events coming up that will
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: focus him. He'll be the centerpiece, so to speak. So
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: our school here called Butler University, I was invited as
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: part of the Black Intellectual Series to do a presentation
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: on Eraser of Black Voices. That's going to be September
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: 30th on the Butler University campus through their hub. It's
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: called the Hub of Black Affairs and Community Engagement. They
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: are the ones that are putting it on. And then
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: come November, as part of Spirit in Place Festival, which
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: is an annual festival that's been around in my city
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: for over 30 years, I am going to be presenting,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: along with my partners, the Encyclopedia of Indianapolis and the
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Indianapolis Public Library. We're going to be putting on an
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: event for that in November 10th. It's going to be
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: the day from five 30 to eight. Um, so I'll,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: you know, send her up and talk about my granddad
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: and they're going to open it up to the wider
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: issues of redlining because he had his businesses going on
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: in the forties and fifties. So they're going to focus
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: on redlining, segregation, racial discrimination, all those different things that
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: were taking place as he was, you know, as he
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: was being a businessman and entrepreneur. So those are events
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: coming up. And, uh, for my social media, uh, I
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: just finished my children's website for my book. So it's
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: called Rooted and Rising Stories.com. That's Rooted and Rising Stories.com.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Very proud of it. I just finished it last week.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: But because I have the adult book, obviously I can't
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: have that on the children's website. So I'm currently building
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: my other website for that and other things. It's Leap
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: of Mark Press LLC website. Social media, Facebook is at MDDKids.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: My last name, M-D-D-A-R-T-I-S. I can't remember all my other ones,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: but that's the main one that I use, Facebook.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Don't worry about it because we have it scrolling at
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: the bottom of the screen.
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: So you guys, all you got to do.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Is pause it, have it at the bottom of the screen.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: But if you head over to SC Book Y'all and
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Friends on Wednesday, Thursday at the latest, you will see
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: live clickable links that we'll be able to send you.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: to her website, and to Amazon. Y'all know me. If
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: you can get the book from the author's website, give
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: it to the author. Then try Amazon, okay? But we
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: thank you for being with us tonight. Now, this was fun.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: This was a lot of fun. I appreciate it.
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: I really do. It's been a joy getting.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: To know you as well and have our conversation. So good.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you. To you guys. Go ahead and
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: grab her book. Once it goes, once we put the
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: podcast live on SC Bookhouse and Friends, there are going
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: to be links. You can click the link and it's
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: going to shoot you straight to her website. And then
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: it's going to be the one to click on the Amazon.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: But remember, if we can get it from the website,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: what do we do? Support the author at the website.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Dr. Thartis, for being with us tonight. You
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: guys join me next week where I'm bringing back Alana Smith.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: She got a new book. And she said, Teresa, I
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: had fun with you once. I want to do it again.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: So next week, Tuesday, September 1st at 8 p.m. Just here, okay? Remember,
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: there's no such thing as an old book because not
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: everybody has read every book. You guys have a great night.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: Bye.