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  Speaker 1: It's thirty eight. All bills can win In here, Wake
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  Speaker 1: puts it down.
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  Speaker 2: The kick is on the way, and d dock and
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  Speaker 2: the bill good one?
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  Speaker 3: How the hell that one.
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  Speaker 2: Home?
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  Speaker 1: How one?
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  Speaker 2: They were a party one not party way?
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  Speaker 1: Incredible?
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  Speaker 2: Why not combat by my bell?
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  Speaker 3: Jacksonville's perfect record on the line right here.
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  Speaker 2: Quick.
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  Speaker 1: Kicking, look excited.
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  Speaker 2: Touchdown Kyle Williams touchdound amazing, unbelievable. They puttied william Who's
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  Speaker 2: has to full back and he scores a touchdown. It's
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  Speaker 2: wealthier to face tackle.
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  Speaker 1: What's good? Folks, Family, friends, loved ones, Enemies for Endemies,
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  Speaker 1: Wizards which is Muggles, mud bloods, people of Middle Earth
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  Speaker 1: I Am your Host Anthony Prohaska fin on Twitter at
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  Speaker 1: pro Underscore Underscore And in this post game edition of
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  Speaker 1: Disguised Coverage, a couple of weeks ago, I was joined
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  Speaker 1: by fan favorite Kendall Mursky. Last week I was joined
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  Speaker 1: by Greg Thompson. This week I'm joined by mister Aaron
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  Speaker 1: Quinn and mister taking the time. Think you for joining me.
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  Speaker 1: Fun game today. We'll get into that in a bit.
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  Speaker 1: But how you doing. How's it going?
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  Speaker 3: I'm good man. I haven't seen you since Mafia Khan,
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  Speaker 3: which was a fun time time.
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  Speaker 1: Still I could still feel how hot it was that
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  Speaker 1: day and.
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  Speaker 3: See me a lot different here in Western New York.
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  Speaker 3: Uh here right now, we're gonna taste of the fall
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  Speaker 3: and today the nice thing about today, And I know
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  Speaker 3: you're like this on Game day two, like we spend
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  Speaker 3: so much time during the week, like getting ready, not
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  Speaker 3: as much in the preseason has build up for the game,
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  Speaker 3: but that like game day morning. I started to feel
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  Speaker 3: it a little bit this morning, like it was a
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  Speaker 3: little chilly. I was having coffee. It's like sixty degrees.
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  Speaker 3: It feels like all right, I got like radio on,
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  Speaker 3: I'm listening to pregame stuff. It's like, okay, it feels
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  Speaker 3: like this might be football this season coming so in
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  Speaker 3: a one o'clock game, like.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Prime dude, like, dude, you nailed it. I woke
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  Speaker 1: up early, so we did I did some like random
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  Speaker 1: grocery shopping, but we got up, went to like a
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  Speaker 1: park to enjoy, like walk around a little bit, enjoy
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  Speaker 1: the weather. And I very much felt like they is
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  Speaker 1: it like September seventeenth, and like it's a regular season game?
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  Speaker 1: About that happened today? It was just yeah, we're close.
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  Speaker 1: We're very close. Yes, buff ever in the comments as
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  Speaker 1: football is back, yeah, kind of technically we made it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we made it. We did it. We're going to dive
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  Speaker 1: into position group by position group, talk about some things
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  Speaker 1: we like, some things we didn't, just overall high level
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  Speaker 1: and major takeaways from each spot. But Aaron, before we
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  Speaker 1: get into that high level, Bill's preseason done. It's a wrap.
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  Speaker 1: Is there anything on your mind going forward? Is it
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  Speaker 1: just an overall sense for the team. Is it something
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  Speaker 1: particular you feel towards, like the fifty three man roster
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  Speaker 1: as we sit here knowing the preseason is done. What's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like the main thing that's coming to your
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  Speaker 1: mind regarding this team right now?
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  Speaker 3: It's just a couple of things off the top of
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  Speaker 3: my head. One is the injuries that they've had this
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  Speaker 3: preseason are annoying. I think the conversation around the injuries
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  Speaker 3: has been a little panicky. That's frustrating. But what's driving
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  Speaker 3: me nuts a little bit is some of the games
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  Speaker 3: that they're probably gonna have to play with this roster
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  Speaker 3: when they get it down to fifty three because of
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  Speaker 3: the injuries aren't all significant enough to put guys on
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  Speaker 3: ir and have a real plan form. Some of them
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  Speaker 3: are like that Samuel one. I know that we're reporting
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  Speaker 3: and talking about that he should be ready for week
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  Speaker 3: one here, but those things can linger like that could
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  Speaker 3: change here over the next couple of weeks, and that
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  Speaker 3: could be something that lingers as he does get usage.
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  Speaker 3: So those are the ones that right now are bothering me.
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  Speaker 3: Is like how these little dan ups that have happened
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  Speaker 3: in the timing of all of them, and then specifically
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  Speaker 3: at the position of safety, which we spent a lot
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  Speaker 3: of time talking about at Mafia Con and the transition
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  Speaker 3: they're having there not an ideal season to then go
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  Speaker 3: have the off season where you don't even see Mike
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  Speaker 3: Edwards right and cold Bishop doesn't really get a chance
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  Speaker 3: to integrate into this defense this summer, and even Hamlin,
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  Speaker 3: who's been playing well, got dinged up a little bit
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  Speaker 3: here at the end of the preseason. So the numbers
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  Speaker 3: there could be real interesting because you've got guys that
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  Speaker 3: probably aren't hurt enough to go on ir but you
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  Speaker 3: want to roster and you're not going to lose, so
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  Speaker 3: some of those positions just are a little wonky. Where
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  Speaker 3: I felt a little bit better about maybe four or
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  Speaker 3: five weeks ago, So that's probably on my mind. And
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  Speaker 3: then after this game, dude, I hate having to talk
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  Speaker 3: about it on any postgame show, but Tyler Bass and
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  Speaker 3: that inconsistency and the narrative that's just gonna follow, and
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  Speaker 3: the feeling that I'm gonna have on my couch every
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  Speaker 3: time he goes out there to kick I just know
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna feel good until I don't know when
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  Speaker 3: that narratives and change, but it's it's there.
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  Speaker 1: That's fair. I'm in a similar boat with the kind
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  Speaker 1: of a lot of what you said. I mentioned it
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  Speaker 1: earlier in the week, like the injuries. I've never been
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  Speaker 1: one of those like hey, I'm gonna do like a
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  Speaker 1: fifty three man projection show or tweet or like, I've
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  Speaker 1: never really done that, And I thought of doing it
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  Speaker 1: this year, and then all these injuries happened. And to
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  Speaker 1: your point, what makes it so annoying or difficult, not
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  Speaker 1: just for like projections so, but just thinking about this
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  Speaker 1: team is it's not And I want to be careful
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  Speaker 1: I preface this because I'm not saying I'm not advocating
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  Speaker 1: for like dudes getting really hurt. But with guys, you know, like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know so and so is out until November, so
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  Speaker 1: and so has done for the year, it's not you
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  Speaker 1: have all these like week to week injuries that are oh,
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  Speaker 1: guy could be back in one to two. Guy could
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  Speaker 1: be back in four to six. And then it's at
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  Speaker 1: these positions where we already had question marks, like safety
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  Speaker 1: is such a great example, Edwards is banged up, and
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  Speaker 1: then Bishop is banged up, It's like, all right, cool,
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  Speaker 1: looks like we're looking at rapping, you know, tomorrow we'll
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  Speaker 1: kind of go from there. And then Jamar gets banged up,
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  Speaker 1: and now you're like, is Edwards gonna be ready?
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  Speaker 3: If are you gonna have to roster Kareem Jackson just
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  Speaker 3: to have a playable person there.
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  Speaker 1: Like all that, all the conversations that stem from that,
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  Speaker 1: like the linebacker pieces that have gone through. Yeah, all
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  Speaker 1: these annoying little kind of injury pieces, even receiver, which
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure we will enter the conversation today like MBS
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  Speaker 1: hasn't looked great, but still like kind of was gonna
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  Speaker 1: be wide receiver five but then hurts his neck and
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  Speaker 1: could be ready for Week one. But also like neck
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  Speaker 1: injuries are super tricky, so you kind of never know
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  Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. Just all this muddiness, and that's especially
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  Speaker 1: with you and Greg bang that drum all the time
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  Speaker 1: come preseason. The most important thing is stay healthy. The
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  Speaker 1: most important thing is stay healthy. And I think largely
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  Speaker 1: they are pretty healthy. But I got it, and you said, like,
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is over blown, but
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  Speaker 1: they do have a multitude of like these stupidly annoying
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  Speaker 1: injuries to a multitude of players, and like from a
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  Speaker 1: volume standpoint, which is just really frustrating.
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  Speaker 3: It but I think it also is a good reminder
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  Speaker 3: of how not important and how much emphasis we put
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  Speaker 3: on as content creators and people in the media put
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  Speaker 3: on the final fifty three and those projections that you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about, because like they're going to change that we yes,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean like they're going to get
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  Speaker 3: that fifty three in and then they're going to reshuffle
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  Speaker 3: some stuff because they're going to get some guys in
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  Speaker 3: under the roster and maybe wait on some bat guys
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  Speaker 3: for a week so they don't have to guarantee those salaries.
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  Speaker 3: Like there's all these little things mixed within how the
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  Speaker 3: business operates where we put so much emphasis on that
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  Speaker 3: final fifty three, especially the bottom part of it, But
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  Speaker 3: it's just always evolving, right, especially the way Brandon Bean tinkers,
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  Speaker 3: but especially with these injuries. I think that's going to
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  Speaker 3: be And that's maybe the annoying thing is some of
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  Speaker 3: these spots like practice squad wise, that you would want
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  Speaker 3: to use later in the season, and some of the
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  Speaker 3: call up type things that you get, you might have
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  Speaker 3: to dip into that bucket a little sooner than you
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  Speaker 3: would like to. And that means you're paying guys that
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  Speaker 3: you didn't necessarily plan on paying, so you can nurse
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  Speaker 3: some of these early on injury. That's the big problem
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  Speaker 3: with this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to have the whole gamesmanship aspect and
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  Speaker 1: like now, like are you still kind of parking lot
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  Speaker 1: guys or are you trying to game somebody up with
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  Speaker 1: an ir stint, like, how are you trying to get
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  Speaker 1: to that fifty three in the creativity and the gymnastics
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  Speaker 1: that you have to do from a financial perspective, and
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  Speaker 1: just from who can we bring back? Who do we
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  Speaker 1: think is going somewhere else? And how do we fill
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  Speaker 1: this team out? So, yeah, a little bit of you know,
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  Speaker 1: some annoyingness added towards the regular season aspect for the
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  Speaker 1: Bills and get into the fifty three which is due
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  Speaker 1: buy In case folks don't know, Tuesday, the twenty seventh
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  Speaker 1: is when teams have to be down to the final
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  Speaker 1: fifty three. So we should start seeing some moving and
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  Speaker 1: shaking tomorrow and then a bunch of news coming through
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  Speaker 1: on Monday, and then everything I'm going to be finalized.
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  Speaker 3: And then you'll be live. Are you live Tuesday? Right?
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  Speaker 1: I am.
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  Speaker 3: I'm wondering out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wondering how much you'll like I'm wondering if
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be like we know everything by Tuesday
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  Speaker 1: morning and everything's trickle in during the day.
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  Speaker 3: Choose bills go right to the clock sometimes, but you
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  Speaker 3: never know. I think agents will leak some of that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I always thought that agents leak and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much gamesmanship Like NFL gamesmanship is so intense
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  Speaker 1: from a team standpoint, from an agent standpoint, and how
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  Speaker 1: it connects to the money. Aaron, Let's run into it.
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  Speaker 1: Bill's Panthers postgame. Let's start with a position group that
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  Speaker 1: you remember kind of talking about a little bit off
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  Speaker 1: air before we went live, the quarterback spot, which has
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  Speaker 1: been actually like a focus for I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of Bills fans in this preseason, just because we haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen a ton from Allen. Trubisky didn't look great, yep,
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  Speaker 1: and then got hurt. Sheldon look great, he's gone. And
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  Speaker 1: then you're sitting there last week with Danucci who really
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  Speaker 1: can only run the ball because he's not involved enough
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  Speaker 1: in the past game there. Yeah, just absolutely wild. Isn't
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  Speaker 1: capable of running the passing offense yet? But Denucci looked capable.
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  Speaker 1: Today we got Sam Anthony Brown action. How do you
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  Speaker 1: feel about Danucci and Brown, either or both of them
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  Speaker 1: coming out of this game. Do you feel comfortable advocating
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  Speaker 1: for one of them to be the QB two or
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  Speaker 1: are you still thinking that the QB two of the
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  Speaker 1: future Watcherbisky is out is currently not on the Bills roster.
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  Speaker 3: Man, It's a tough one if you're Brandon Bean, right,
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  Speaker 3: because I definitely subscribe to the notion that like, if
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  Speaker 3: Josh Allen gets hurt, everything sucks, right, nothing's cool, Everything sucks,
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  Speaker 3: especially if it's like more than a week or two, right,
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  Speaker 3: like this is the worst. I don't I don't reset
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  Speaker 3: till next year. But then I argue the other side
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  Speaker 3: of that during draft season of always advocating for drafting
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  Speaker 3: one of these guys and trying to get one of
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  Speaker 3: those assets, and then I advocate against it in free
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  Speaker 3: agency of like hey, let's not pay somebody and just
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  Speaker 3: have anybody do this job. And so I'm mixed on
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  Speaker 3: those feelings right now. Though if I'm Brandon Bean, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think I would bring in anyone from the outside,
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  Speaker 3: Like who's it would be? Ryan Tannehill would be like,
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  Speaker 3: you're only probably upgrade unless somebody gets shakes off at
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  Speaker 3: one of these rosters exactly. Yeah, maybe if it's the
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  Speaker 3: right guy, But even.
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  Speaker 1: Then you're still hoping, like uh, like I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: like Davis Mills, but you're hoping for somebody like that level,
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  Speaker 1: Like that's the ceiling yeah, or like maybe like dtr
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  Speaker 1: from Cleveland if he shakes loose like her, but he
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  Speaker 1: has his works as well, like you're it's a it's
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  Speaker 1: a weird kind of water to be.
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  Speaker 3: It's a weird spot playing in And Mitch troll Whisky
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  Speaker 3: is on his roster right like even with the IR designation,
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  Speaker 3: he's gonna be part of this team. He's got money guaranteed,
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  Speaker 3: so he's not when he does come back, he's coming back,
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  Speaker 3: So like, how much investment do you want to make
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  Speaker 3: and what's that period of time look like right now
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  Speaker 3: for mitchr Whisky's recovery, which that's I'm not aware necessarily
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  Speaker 3: of where his recovery timeline's at, but if it was me,
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  Speaker 3: I think you have enough here between Brown and the Nutrie.
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  Speaker 3: Like I said, Josh Allen goes out like everything pretty
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  Speaker 3: much sucks and you don't want to be in that situation.
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  Speaker 3: But both of them played efficiently today and the Newtrie
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  Speaker 3: played against Carolina starters at least most of them. Like
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  Speaker 3: that was they put out their effort there for Carolina
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  Speaker 3: and they looked good. Eleven for twelve, one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: two yards. It's a couple bad sacks, but also not
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  Speaker 3: playing with the ones offensively, not playing behind the one
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  Speaker 3: first unit offensive line or no he was eleven or fifteen,
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  Speaker 3: Sorry for seventy six. I was reading Anthony Brown's line
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  Speaker 3: there Radio one oh six. He both of them took
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  Speaker 3: a couple of bad sacks, but that's kind of what
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  Speaker 3: you expect in a game like this. You know, both
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  Speaker 3: of them don't have a ton of reps with this
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  Speaker 3: offensive line, with these receivers. With all that said, I
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  Speaker 3: thought they looked fine enough, and then I would give
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  Speaker 3: the edge. We were talking offline a little. For me,
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  Speaker 3: I'd give the edge to Brown in the sense of, like,
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  Speaker 3: if I'm going to break case of emergency in one
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  Speaker 3: of these guys, I don't want to play anyway. I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to defer to the guy with athleticism that can
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  Speaker 3: like run away from pressure at least and like may
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  Speaker 3: maybe make some play with his legs. Like I'm not
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  Speaker 3: feeling good if Josh Allen's not in, But at least
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  Speaker 3: if you have a guy that could pick up a
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  Speaker 3: few first downs and keep a ball moving, like, That's
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  Speaker 3: kind of where I'm at with that backup spot. How
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  Speaker 3: about you.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's pretty fair I'm I mean in a similar
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  Speaker 1: kind of lockstep in line with you there. I I
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  Speaker 1: feel like I talk out of both sides of my
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  Speaker 1: mouth when it comes to this, because I feel like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like if if Allen's done, I'm like, well, the season's
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  Speaker 1: like done. But also like I want I want a
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  Speaker 1: capable backup there to kind of mitigate the loss. But
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  Speaker 1: also you're not really gonna be able to mitigate the loss,
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  Speaker 1: and like any true backup that can mitigate that loss
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  Speaker 1: is going to cost like ten million or more, like
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  Speaker 1: Kobe Brissett, like costs a lot of money, and he
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  Speaker 1: might even start depending.
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  Speaker 3: On how much Chose Daniel made in his career.
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  Speaker 1: That's the first one I thought of, Like how much
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  Speaker 1: money he kept making year after year to just be
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  Speaker 1: a backup. Like good backups make good money, and the
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  Speaker 1: Bills aren't in a spot to be paying a backup
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  Speaker 1: a ton of that. And also again with how the
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  Speaker 1: offense is built, if Allen goes down, like this isn't
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to knock any other team or offense,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just not apples to apples. It's not like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: like someone Carson Wentz went down and we can replace
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  Speaker 1: him with Nick Foles, who was a tremendous backup, but
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  Speaker 1: also he's been in the system and he knows Peterson's
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  Speaker 1: offense and he's a really good processor. Like that was
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  Speaker 1: such a perfect storm to work out. The Bills don't
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  Speaker 1: really have that. You've got like a new offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 1: being really his full offense this year with Joe Brady,
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  Speaker 1: You've got all these new pieces and then a significant
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  Speaker 1: part of the offense. We expect more scheme and structure
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  Speaker 1: from Brady this year, but a significant part is still
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  Speaker 1: going to be like, hey, Josh Allen's a mutant. Let's
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  Speaker 1: let Josh Allen go be a mutant and do stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So replicating that is going to be tough. Mitigating that
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  Speaker 1: is tough. I'm I'm actually to your point, Like I
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  Speaker 1: liked what I saw from Denuci and Brown, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: part of that is just me, Like, because the quarterback
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  Speaker 1: play was so bad the past couple of weeks that
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  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, cool, Like I'll take this as
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  Speaker 1: better that expect spectations.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they were taking what the defense gave him,
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  Speaker 3: and that's tough to do too in a spot where
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  Speaker 3: you are playing for a job, right, like and you
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  Speaker 3: are trying to put film out there into stay patient
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  Speaker 3: and take what the that touchdown to Evans, that was
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  Speaker 3: just taking that hot from the running back like that's
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  Speaker 3: just a quick checkdown and letting the player.
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  Speaker 1: Do do a little little mesh rail. He got his
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  Speaker 1: eyes right to it. That was the number one. He
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  Speaker 1: made a good throw. It was in stride. It allowed
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  Speaker 1: Evans to break that tackle and get forward. That was clean.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're not forcing nothing. So I think there's
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: something to be said to being in that situation and playing.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: They were both playing some of that game probably up talent, right,
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: like the Nucci playing against the Carolina one's and Brown
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: playing probably against like the twosan Danucci.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: Danucci probably should have had another touchdown and that one
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: to Shavers.
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: I think, oh that was not on Denucci at all.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: No, I want to watch it on the film, but
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: it looked like Shavers was. It wasn't really good ball
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: tracking from She.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: Was like a weird like half step at the end,
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: like and like slowed down just to touch. It took
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: him off his route for the balls on him. Man,
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: the balls on him.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: And it was a shame too because it was a
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: good route like he shook the corner completely. So Denucci
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: could be sitting here having a couple of touchdowns and
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Brown looked pretty well. And so much of it, too,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: is going to depend on like the true Mitched Trubisky timeline, right,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: like if he's done for okay, he'll be ready to
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: go by October, middle September, November. It kind of changes
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: what you're doing with this quarterback.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: Limp didn't look good, but it was like he was
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: doing the whole like that brace, like there was no
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: bend in that knee.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: He was having to like swing that leg with him
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: and he looked like kind of Frankenstein type of deal,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: which was not encouraging at all. I'd love to kick
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: the tires and I'm sure Bean will do this like scouring,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: like what quarterbacks do get cut and if one arises,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: I'm down to rock with somebody and kind of have
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: more of a secure known quantity at the backup spot.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: But what you're going to get is the Barkley family
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: is going to get like a three week Western New
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: York vacation.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as is tradition.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a few weeks of golfing with Josh, a couple
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: of parties that's exactly how they're going to be hanging
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: out for the Halloween party.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Just stay yeah, and then you're done, like first week
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: in November. If you want to come back for the
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving party, you're more than welcome, you know. Yeah, So
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: it was nice to see, you know, how Denuci and
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Brown operate today. Pretty encouraging. I'm cool if they want
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: to look elsewhere, they'll kind of see what they can do.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: But again, it's gonna be tough to stem that tide
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: regardless anything else on the QBS.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: No, yeah, I think they did what they needed to today.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Let's let's stay in the backfit, let's go to
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: the running backs. Fun, super fun. I hope everything is
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: okay with Frank or Junior got rolled up, bent up,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: you know a little bit in that pile at the end,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: walked off on his own. Accord was doing some high knees.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Then he was on the bench getting looked at by trainers.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I always think it's awesome to like I tweeted it
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: during the game, like you never know when your career
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: can go sideways or what like your longevity aspect is.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: And I was cool. I was happy that he got
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: like one hundred yards in this game. I don't care
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: that it was a preseason game or not. Like I
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: thought it was nice for him to kind of like
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: do that and he had. He showed well. He showed
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: well this preseason. Really. Yeah, efficient runner, good feet north
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: and south, good vision. Darrenton Evans looked good today running
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: the ball. He had a couple of really nice cuts
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: and set up blocks. He had that touchdown. The Bills
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: running backs really even in Week one when the rum
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: blocking was poor, you had Ray Davis making some plays.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: In the past game. Gore made some plays as well.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: The running backs really have done well this preseason. I
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: thought today was another example with how well Gored and
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Evans played today.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love this room, this running back room, and
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: I just save the depth. I hope they're going to
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: be able to bring a guy like Gore back on
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: the practice squad. Like I would never wish injury on anyone,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: but maybe his injury will provide them some buffer to
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: maybe give him like a short term IR to get
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: him in through this waivers. I don't know, there's a
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: lot of running backs right. We were having that conversation
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: in the DM group, like it's fun to fall in
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: love with a guy like Frank Gore Junior and his
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: production that he's had this preseason, but probably every team's
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: got one on their roster that people are liking, and
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: a lot of these guys are gonna shake available. But
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: whether it's Frank Gore Junior or not, it seems like
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: the Bills similar to other position groups that they've got.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: I think running cornerbacks one of them where they have
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: a type and they find it. And it's not just
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: a physical type, right, because there's different types of corners.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: It's that makeup that these guys have. And all these
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: running backs, man, they play physical, they play above their size,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: they all have great contact balance, like they are a
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: fun group to watch, the kind of honed in on
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: what they're looking for out of the running back room.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: And I think that's part Aaron Kromer, right. I think
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: we have to give Aaron Kromer for how this running
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: back room in game has looked all preseason, no matter
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: who it is carrying the ball, and they all kind
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: of look good and they're all playing with good pad
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: level and playing really balanced running back game. That to
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: me speaks back to not just the running back coach,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: but the way the run game is designed and set
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: up to benefit these guys. But man, I couldn't help
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Core Junior today. He looked like Devin Singletary out there,
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: and a lot of fans are gonna crap on Devin Singletary.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: But I like that kind of back and if that's
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: your running back four, dude, that's like out there like
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: with a nice contact balance, you can trust them. He's
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: going to give you everything. He's going to try to
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: do what he can in pass protection. Like that's the
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Bills are in a really good spot with rookie contracts
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: on this running back room.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope one. I hope he's all right with
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the injury too. I would love for him to come
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: back on this practice squad. I don't think. I know
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: some people are really pumped for him, and rightfully so.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I think Ty Johnson's your running back three. Like that
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: top three is pretty entrenched and locked. But you know Evans.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Evans gives you some run ability, some pass catching ability,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: some returnability. Frank or Junior again, like as a rookie
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: coming into this league, he's not. And I keep saying
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: this to describe him, and I feel like it's an insult.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: But I don't mean it's that way, like he's not sexy,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Like he's just one cut, decisive runner, gets north and south.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: He always seems to fall forward, like he gets hit
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: and always seems to fall forward for another yard or two,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: keeps his legs moving into contact runs behind his pads.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: He's been good on duo, he's been good on zone runs.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: He's good at just kind of flowing and following where
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: he's supposed to using it. Yeah, he's just a very
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: and I don't want to use this phrasing either because
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's low hanging through because of who
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: his dad was. But he season though, Yes, and he
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: has a very professional approach, like to the running back spot.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: It's just no nonsense, like it's very much like, Hey,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna show up, do my job, get what I'm
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: supposed to get, and then clocked out. Like it's just
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: a very professional approach and how he operates. And yeah,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I really like what we've seen from this room. It
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: started last week against Pittsburgh. Cook had some good runs,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Davis had some good runs, and then it was Gore
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: and Evans and Ty Johnson had a nice game for
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: like one for six yards and then Yeah, just also too,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I think putting the running back performance and the offensive
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: line performance. Who are going to talk about next? Putting that,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I think in in juxtaposition with the quarterback playing the
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: passing game, they needed that run game in these preseason games.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Like Anthony Brown is new this week, like Denucci it's
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: his second week, but they had to lean on the
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: ground game last week heavily, and the Steelers knew it
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: and they still were able to run the ball well.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Similar aspect this week, Like it's whenever Frank Gore was
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: in there, it was basically going to Frank Gore. And
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the running backs were a huge focal point in the
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: pass game and in the run and they continue to
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: show out, And yeah, it's it's super interesting. I feel
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: like each year, each passing year in the NFL, it
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: feels like there's more and more running backs that are
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: like Udfa's or dudes that have come out of nowhere,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and it's just like, oh, that could be that guy
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: could be like our running back two, or that guy
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: could be like our running back three. Like it just
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: seems like such a flush position football.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and handler kJ Hamler deserves me in there too, right,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Like he could be our running back for now, Well,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: could shout out to him to be able to come
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: in at the end of that game and take legit
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: carries and goal on the series and stuff like that.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Like that. I think that it's fun to laugh at
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: and see, but good on him. I do think this
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: is a really interesting running back room too. In my perspective.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: You've got James Cook, who we have raved about Greg
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: and I and talked about his efficiency and like what
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: he can do in this offense. I think that that's
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: not talked about enough when we talk about the loss
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: of Stefan Diggs and how are they going to replace
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: that production? Like James Cooking himself should be in that
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: conversation where we talking about Kincaid and Shakir and how
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: they're going to replace that production. He needs to be
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: a focal point in that. But then you get into
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: what Ray Davis has looked like this summer, and I
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: was excited about him. He's exceeded my expectations of how
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: NFL ready he is to produce in this offense. And
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: then you start going down further, like Ty Johnson had
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: really nice stretches a little little bit here this season,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: and now you're looking at these guys that played here
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: today and like an Evans and a Gore, and I
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: think you'll probably able to keep both, if not at
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: least one of those guys on your practice squad, which
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: as we know, these guys are gonna play, you'll see
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: these guys during the regular season at some point, like
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: it's a marathon season. So having this depth, and they
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: all seem to fit nicely with Like I think Ray
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Davis is probably similar to how you described Gore, but
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: just a level above and they like it, doesn't do
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: anything like particularly sexy, but he does everything so well
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: that he can do everything, and they've just got a
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: lot of guys like that. It's such a good room
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: and it's so you know, you've got this freak athlete
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: at the top of it, but then it's so well
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: rounded beyond him.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good call. There's running back is a spot.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, every spot in the NFL is a spot
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: where you're gonna get banged up because how violent the
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: game is. But yeah, you want that that depth even
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: on your practice squad. And given Gore's skill set and
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: then Evans's skill set and the special team's value, he
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: provides you as a returner, like I mean, Darrenson Evans
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: still right now, could be I don't know, like returner
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: three on this team, Like it might be tied to
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: you and then Hardy and then Evans. Like if we're
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: ranking everybody right now, So that also provides the additional value.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: The versatility is there, and again it's just nice to
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: have those options, like right, like what do you want
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: your practice squad running back or running backs to look like?
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: And I think Evans and Gore have both made a
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: case that they both can easily be kept And it
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: just depends on do they want to keep one over
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the other and what do you do? But yeah, nice
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: flashes for both of them. I think they each made
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: a case, which is again all you want to see.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: You want to see as many do is making cases
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: as possible. Anything else on the running back spot, no.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Man, I think we'd drift into Actually, Evans was like
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: one of the leading receivers as well because of that
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: touchdown that he had and that was a.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Nice touchdown, broke the tackle, got upfield, like, yeah, he
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: had pass catching ability, run ability, returnability, very nice for him.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Do you want to go you want to transition to
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: offensive line? Or do you want to go to receivers
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: and tight ends.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: That's you, man, it's your show. Can't tell men.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: All right, let's stick. Let's stick with the run game connection.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Let's go to offensive line again. No starters today, Anything
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: for you stand up? Yeah? Any things stand out for
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: you on the offensive line. You know, we got with
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the clap concussion, We got Cedric van praan Grainger running
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: with the twos today and then Alec Anderson a right guard.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: So so many people who've been clamoring for SVPG to
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: get more work with the twos got it today. Anything
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: that sticks out in your mind for the offensive line
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: after this game or after the preseason as a whole,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: you feel in any type of way towards the depth
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: or towards this offensive line as a group who again
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: last year pretty much complete health for the starters and
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: then two strong backups and Ryan Bates and Dave Edwards,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and there's been all the movement and shaken we've seen
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: at that position group this year.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely a position group that I'm like a
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: little suspect on in terms of I haven't really gotten
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: to see the live bullets in terms of the ones
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: and then on in terms of the depth, and like,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: again I'm with you, I don't do roster projections, but
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I do kind of look at the numbers and maybe
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: how they're potentially going to shake out. And one of
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: the ones that I've kind of like toyed around with
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: is like I'm pretty sure it's Collins la Collin for
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: that tenth spot, but is it will Clap. But I
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: think the will clap injuries probably sorting some of that
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: out for the Bills, and we'll be able to maybe
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: just toss him in on the ir as well and
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: sneak him in as being able to keep his rights.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: And so I do have I think uh Vampim Granger
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: I want. I also want to see him getting more snaps.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: I really like tailand Grable. I liked him as soon
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: as he came out on the draft. And it's like,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: and I want to preference. Like when I like one
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: of these like a Grable type guy, It's like, I
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: like this guy as a two to three year developmental project,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Like I don't want to see him.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Aaron Quinn wants Tiland grey Able to start.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: When you start, you tell you like you get talking
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: about some like mid round draft pick and it's like, hey,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: I really like this guy, and people are like, Okay,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: well we need production now, and it's like, yeah, like
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: I like this guy like two to three years hardy
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: when we get to the defensive side of the wall.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Party is that kind of guy for me right now?
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Like really like way he's playing on the defensive side.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: But I think it's a two to three year type
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: development guy. But that's why I see behind him. I
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know that the depth is as strong as
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: it was a year ago, but I like some of
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: the development guy guy Vandamark kind of developing pretty closely
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: here back on this line. So I think, again, I
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: trust Aaron Kromer so much with this offensive line that
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I'm going to give him the benefit of that, both
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: with the starters and the depth here. But today I
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: didn't learn anything particular. I think they're put in a
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: hard spot with Denucci and Brown behind them, not a
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: lot of familiarity with these guys. You're in a tough
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: spot to be playing a game. It's pretty vanilla. You're
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: not matching up. So I can't say that I saw
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: anything today that changed my opinion on like who's that
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: tenth guy? Or whatever. Who you got to keep for
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: practice squad? How about you.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Offensive line and the second area. Always tough for me
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to have like postgame thoughts on because I defer to
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the All twenty two so much because it's so tough
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: to see. But I thought VPG looked good, which was nice,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: like the movement and him climbing to the second level,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: those pieces. I love your point with Ryan Vandermark who
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: last year. Last year, I remember seeing him at left
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: tackle when I was because again I was still very
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of us were still questioning Spencer
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Brown and it was like, man, he looks good at tackle,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: can like he play right? And then he played right
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: and looked absolutely terrible. And this year it's been the
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: opposite of the preseason. He looks competent in both could
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: be in line for that swing tackle spot, which is
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: good value. I liked his plague in to day Grabel.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: You know, good call on Grabel. He he looked really
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: rough in the first game against Chicago. He was a
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: turnstile in pass pro and in the run game just
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: did not look physical, wasn't able to latch. He's had
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: better reps. It feels like each drive, each subsequent drive,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: it seems like he gets better and better and better,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: which is nice to see because he does have that
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: high athletic upside. And if you want a guy on
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: like a two or three year plan, cool bank on
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the traits and then teach him the refinement piece and
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: kind of hopefully those things coalesce into a good flip
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: good football player. And when you got Aaron Kromer, like
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: you mentioned that, solid, Lyle Collins is a really interesting
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: one for me because I like, I like how he's played,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and I like the veteran presence. I like the physicality,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I like the length and the strength and everything he offers.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: And I wonder from a roster standpoint, I wonder how
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: much him in theory being a guard only hurts his
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: case of making the team, versus like Anderson and Clapp,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: who both can be like Okay, they can play either
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: guard and they can play center, so having more positional
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: flex and versatility and thus being more valuable to the roster.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I wonder how that impacts who ends up making the
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: fifty three. But I think Lyle Collins has been arguably
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: the best Bills second string lineman, like he and Vandermark
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: have both looked really good for the most part. But
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Collins has look good even going into that Chicago game,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and it has been anything sexy, but it's just been consistent.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: But then I wonder, like, Okay, do they bank on that?
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: And again, it's a good guy to have in the room.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: He's a VET and he's a solid person there, but
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: he doesn't really have that positional flexibility or the athleticism
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: that the other guys do in addition to the youth
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: and age and potential upside that comes with it. That's
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: really kind of where my head is at with the
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: O line coming out of this game of kind of
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: how do they play chess and fit the puzzle pieces
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: together on the offensive line given how much positional verse
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: satility and flexibility holds value to them, and how he
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: kind of doesn't necessarily fit that mold.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right now, I've got it at ten with Will
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Klapp maybe being like the IR and IR candidate and
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: so he'll come back and then you have that kind
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: of interior flexibility there and able to move back and
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: forth to practice squad and some of these guys, but
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: I do have, so I would have Vandermark Collins VPG
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Anderson grabile as your backup around one out of ten.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I like that, and I think that's a good combination
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: with the starters of you have a good mix of athleticism, physicality, youth,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: known quantities, but also like developmental guys. It's funny how
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I tweeted it during the game, like, well, something kind
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: of similar to what I'm about to say. I was
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: so disappointed in the offensive line in the first game.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were, especially from a
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: run game standpoint, and I went being like, man, like,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: their whole second unit is not fit for the NFL.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: And now I'm sitting here being like, you know what,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I think the offensive line has some good depth and
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I feel good. It's it's it's funny how that that
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: position group being is kind of righted the ship, which
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I think is kind of expected at this point. Like
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: given Aaron Kromer, I think the faith that we not
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: necessarily you and I, but like we as a fan
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: base give Sean McDermott with like safeties and secondary guys,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: that same face should be afforded to Aaron Kromer when
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: it comes to the offensive line, just with how good
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: of a position coach he is and what he's been
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: able to do anything else on the offensive line. No, sir, cool,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Let's move to the wide receivers and tight ends who
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I think this was an interesting one coming into this
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: game at wide receiver, like we alluded to earlier, with
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the injuries and things being annoying, mvs like Muddy's that
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: whole conversation, like coming into camp, Bill was like, Okay,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: do they keep five wide receivers? Do they keep six?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: MBS kind of looks like the fifth who would be
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: the sixth? But then MBS looks kind of shaky. He
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: could be jumped by somebody, but nobody's really jumping in Claypool.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: We never saw Claypool this.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: We never got to see him. Shaver's bawled out a
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: little in camp for a couple of days, but then
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: was in the preseason. But then also going hand in
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: hand with that is the quarterback play and not being
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: able to really pass the ball in the preseason, which
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: hurts your evaluation of the wide receivers. And then we
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: go to the tight ends. Who I said it earlier
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: this week, like Quintin Morris, I think is really valuable
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: as a tight end three with the skill set that
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: he has He gives you special teams reps. He can
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: function as a run blocker, and he can function in
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the past game as like actually catching the football. He
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: gives you this nice, well rounded tight end three behind
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Knoxing and Kate. He gets banged up with that shoulder.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: His status is still in the air whether he can
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: play through it or how much time he's gonna miss.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: If we're replacing him, you're doing it with either Trade
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: McKitty or Zach Davidson. Both of those dudes are very siloed.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: McKitty is a special teamer and a run blocker, although
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: he had a nice catch today in the end zone,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: so which was good to see. Davidson is more a
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: receiver in a tight end's body. It was cool to
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: see him get lined up in the backfield today. But
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I thought this game kind of gave us an opportunity
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: to see both tight ends get some opportunities, some of
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: the receivers get some operate. We talked about Shavers, Caine
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: had some really nice moments. Handler got some pieces. I
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: think I wish this was the performance we got in
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: week one. In week two to have a nice three
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: game sample size and have a fun conversation I'm a
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: little annoyed that we got all this opportunity in the
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: very last game and the last dress rehearsal. But I
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: think there's a lot to talk about with these two
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: position groups in terms of the depth and then how
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: many they keep, who they keep, so on and so forth.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Some of that, too, is how bad Mitch Trubisky looked,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Like how bad the quarterback play was a little bit
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: here this preseason where guys weren't getting great looks. That's
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: nice thing about having some efficiencies and then now maybe
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: you get a little bit of looks and the ball
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: moved around a little bit. And nobody told me that
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: the Bills resigned like year three, Sammy Watkins back to
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: the I was between.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: The fourteen and the long dreads and even his body
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: type the T shirt underneath.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: People on the screen, they looked like Clemson Sammy Man.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very fair point.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: That was fun. Those are the things about this part
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: of the year and this part of the preseason is like,
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: good for him, go out and duke some guys put
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: some put some of that on tape and some of
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: that speed. That was fun to see out of Dion
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Kane uh In terms of the wide receiver room. This
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: is a tough one. Justin Shorter did not do much
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: with an opportunity. It felt like here at the end
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: of camp where there was a little bit of a
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: logjam of injuries and the Bills were kind of looking
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: for somebody to take that job and run with it,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: he fell short. It seems like Shavers is probably the
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: guy that took it the most and ran with it.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: But that feels anti climactic too. Like the beat, I
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: know talked a lot about Shavers and the internally the
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: team spoke a lot about Shavers, but as fans, it
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: doesn't feel like we ever really fully see what everyone's
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: talking about there. And so I'm assuming maybe the way
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: it shakes out, he's gonna be the last guy here
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: for that roster spot for the Bills in the wide
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: receiver room. But maybe more again to the point of
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: injuries because MVS injury something like that, where maybe that's
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: gonna go a little bit longer and they're gonna bring
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Shavers in. But nobody really stepped up in my opinion
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: here on this back half of the roster. Xavier John
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Onson's interesting, this is all this is the problem with
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: when you're this far down the depth start too, Like,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of the guys are the same.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: A lot of these guys are practice squad level players
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: that are also probably players that are easily replaced with
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: the guys that are about to get released from other
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: other places. So a lot of them got to put
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: some stuff on film. But that's about all I took
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: out of today in terms of that tight end one though,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: I want to flip to you real quick in terms
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: of roster building. Do the Bills feel like they need
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: to replace Quentin Morris or can they get by with
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Reggie Gilliam doing some of the tight end three things
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: in the meantime and use that roster spot for an
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: additional linebacker or whatever it is.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: That's a super great question. It's one of like my
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: points of like, oh wait, it further muddies, but in
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: a good way. Like that conversation, right, like how much
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: can you get from Reggie Gillium as like NH back
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: or you know, offline tight end type of deal or
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: maybe even some inline stuff is you just want to
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: use as a point of attack blocker And then yeah,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: how does that factor into the tight end three conversation? Like,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: because usually in theory that tight end role is special
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: teams based and more blocking based. It's nice that Morris
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: can also be a pass catcher, but the majority of
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the time he's on the field is probably the block
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: and then he's doing special team stuff, which if it's
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: between Davidson and McKitty, you're like, oh, okay, that probably
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: means McKitty, but it also could just mean Reggie Gilliam
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: who's already going to be on the roster, and then
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: to your point, it saves you that roster spot. I
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: think that's really really interesting, And for me then it
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: really comes down to, like, Okay, how much special teams
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: value just Trey McKitty really offer you on special teams
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: because I if I think if they had to keep
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: on between Davidson and McKitty, I think it would be McKitty.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: And so that's why I'm just like using him as
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: these because again I think that tight end three more
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: blocking based than special teams based, which is a shame
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: because I like what david said has done as a
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: pass catcher. But then I just think, yeah, like how
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: much value does he have on teams? Knowing that you
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: can kind of get some similar stuff out at Gilliam,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: although I do think Trey McKitty is a good blocker,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: especially from an inline spot and how we functions, But
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: that's another like wrench in that conversation. I think it's
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: a good one. I feel like I feel like mckitti
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: would still get rostered and then Gilliam would still kind
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: of be his own thing. But I could also see
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: them maybe they really want to keep you know, ten
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: or eleven defensive linemen, and they want to keep six
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: linebackers and six corners and a six receiver. So then
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well we can we can shave this
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: spot over here and use tight end, three, full back
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: and special team are all for Regie Gillium.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's going to come down to again,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: like other positions we're talking about, is what does that
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Quin Morris' injury look like?
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: If it's like just a couple of weeks and we're
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: not gonna like put them on IR or whatever and
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: just kind of keep them around, then I think you
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: could get by with a Regie Gilliam doing the role
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: and not having to put an additional person on. But
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: if it is gonna be something where you I are,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: maybe you have that role open. This is the this
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: is the fun stuff with what those conversations that Brandon
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Mean and his staff are having right now after the game,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: like immediately is like how do we nagel this? What
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: is the update on some of these injuries, because we're
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: gonna have to make these types of moves. But I
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: think this comes into play with what Sean mcdermoy and
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: Brandon Bean have tried to build for the Bills, which
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: is they talk about it all the time almost that
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: nauseum is position flexibility, right, and like having guys that
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: have this ability, Look, fireworks are going off. I don't
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: even know what I did, but I mean fireworks go off.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I've noticed that too. I don't know how that happens.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Some of its finger gestures like I think you put
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: that one up, maybe you get anyways, it happens to
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Greg and I all the time. But that position flexibility
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: is what allows guys to stay on rosters in the NFL,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: and so then you're going to see a lot of
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: that for the Bills here this year.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that's a fair point. Like we're
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: gonna hear the words like positional flexibility and like Rossraili
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: so much in the next like two or three days
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: and yeah, tight ends an interesting one. But to your point,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: it all starts. If they're like, no, you know what,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Morris can wear a brace and it's just pain management
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: and he'll be good, then this whole conversation is basically moot.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: But if he misses significant time, he's also another one too.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe he only misses September, or maybe he's out until
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: November December. Like it goes back to our initial point
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: in the intro of like these conversations that are just
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: kind of annoying with the position group and Nan, Yeah, receiver,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I liked what Tyrol Shavers did last week as a
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: run blocker against Pittsburgh. He had a couple of catches
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: today a drop. Also had that end zone misplay that
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: we talked about, but like the stem and the move
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: on the slant and go was nice before that happened.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Hope we gotta stop because we got super chat. Thank
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: you very much, Sofia, You're always here and you're also
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: very kind words all the time. Thank you very much
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: with the super chatter as well, Sophia and saying smash
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: the like for awesome bills postgame. Thank you very much
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: for that, Sofia. And yeah, folks, if you have not already,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: please please please and thank you drop a lke on
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: this video here on YouTube. It is the lifeblood of
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: these streams and of the channel here on YouTube. Thank
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: you very much for that in advance, and thank you
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: to you, Sofia. Yeah. I thought Shavers kind of had
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: an inside track with his size and the blocking ability
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: and what he showed last week, but then had some
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: miscues today and then also a lot of it for
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: me is just like no one is really separated themselves.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Hammler did some nice stuff today. I thought he initial
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: had a shot to make the team more as a
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: returner and vertical threat. The running back aspect was nice
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: for him today. I think he helped his case a
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: little bit. Cain looked really good on those smoke screens.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I kind of want to see how else he performed
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: just from an overall route distribution standpoint. Yeah, it just
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: feels very like so much of these conversations muddy. And
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: if it's like, okay, do they keep five wide receivers?
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: The two questions are do they keep five wide receivers
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: or do they keep six? And then how long is
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: MBS out for? Because I could see a world where
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: they just where MBS is good and they keep five,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: or MBS is good and they keep six and the
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: sixth this Shavers or handler. And I could also see
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: a thing where MBS is out for a little bit,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: and so they're like, well, we don't like our depth anyway,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: so we're just gonna put Shavers on there, and then
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: we're just going to do five and that's it. Wait
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: till MBS comes back, Like the game has been shipped
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: that exists there, Like so much of this makes it
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: kind of a muddy situation. Anything else on the wide
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: receivers and Titans, No.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: That's it. I think the fifty three is going to
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: tell us a lot of these like the crap about
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: this injury list that we don't fully know. I think
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: we're gonna find out once we actually see the fifty
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: three and be like, oh, okay, that makes sense. He's
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: out a little longer than we thought. Whatever, he's gonna
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: be fine.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: So yeah, we're all just gonna be like, oh, he's
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: really hurt, or just like, oh, I guess he's good
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, point pretty much defensive line, we'll combine
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: defensive tackles and edges all into one spot, So just
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: do overall defensive line. Your thoughts on this bill's defensive line.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I know somebody we talked about pre show offline who
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: caught your eye a little bit, so feel free to
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: mention him as well. I don't want to steal.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Your how you hear it is that how you do
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: the canes you Yeah.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right. That's somebody you can overlap.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: The thumbs you can overlap.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I refuse to do it until they stop like breaking
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: my heart every season, where like they look good in
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: September and then they play real teams and just fall
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: apart every year.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: The drought wheels.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: They're kind of in that. Yeah, it's been that way
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: for a while, which is disappointing.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: But yeah, Branson Dean read when you got on, because
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I know you're a big knes guys like, hey, dude,
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: why don't you tell me about him? Because he popped
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: a few times on. I got notes. I'm taking notes
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: like I do for regular season games. I've got a
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: few that I want to go back and look at
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: some of his tape because it's fun and the bills
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: they seem to continue to manage to get these like
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: kind of fun depth Like Ilianku is another one that
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: like he's had those types of games in the past too,
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: where he flashed and it's like, Okay, this guy could
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: be a serviceable interior defensive lineman. You got to call
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: him up from a practice squad thing, and like they
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: just seem to kind of get that kind of depth.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Not guys that are great, but guys that can come
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: in and push around and have some big bodies. So
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: he stood out to me a little bit, honestly, uh,
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: because of where his game is at and what my
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: expectations of where he was going to be playing. I
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: thought Gable Stevenson actually like held his own for some
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: res and like it had some good lightry. Like he's
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: a small dude right now in the NFL in the
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: interior like stands out it's like hardy playing against bigger receivers, Like, wait,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: you're not supposed to be there, so you can get
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: a back up a little bit like he and he
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: held his own and and did nice and some run wraps.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Other than that, looked like they got off to the
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: quarterback pretty well today, especially against the Ones. They did
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: a pretty nice job. But this is a tough part
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: of the roster in my opinion, because defense one. The defense,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: I'm way more hyped out about, I think than the
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: average Bills fan, Like, I really like this core defensive
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: unit they've got with Babbage, and I don't think there's
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: a lot of spot I don't think there's a ton
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: of fighting four spots today. Linebacker obviously in reason when
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: we get to that, those are some of the spots
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: for fighting. And obviously safety is a weird one, but
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: up on that front it's pretty solidified, right, And then
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: the defensive tackle, so this is really fighting. Who's going
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: to be these practice squad guys that maybe call up
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: guys down the road. And I don't know that anyone
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: really like moved the needle today to change the depth
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: of that practice squad positioning.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's an interesting group. I've gone back
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: and forth, I feel like every week on the defensive
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: line with how I kind of feel on it. But
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: just from a today perspective, yeah, you know, kind of
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: seeing seeing Dean do his thing was nice to see
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: and I try to not be because I like Miami,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: like to Corey Couch was my Miami guy. And the
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Bills to kind of bang the drum for And I
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: didn't want to just again another one, another one, another one.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: But I do it with pick guys. You can do it.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: That's fair. Yeah, but yeah, I just don't want it
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: to be like, well, of course he like some cuz
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: he went to Miami. Well, court Couch is interesting. I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: hope he kind of makes a practice squad uh spot, Well,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: we'll get to that when we get to the corners.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: But yeah, the the defensive line I thought was interesting
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: today just with I wanted to see the rotations. I
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: haven't been completely sold on Smoot as I thought I
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: would be coming into the preseason, but it still looked
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: like he was gonna be pretty much a roster lock.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: But I wanted to see, like, Okay, could Cameron Klein
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: do anything today? Could Kingsley Jonathan do anything today? And
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I think both of them shown like showed well in spurts,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: but not enough to like, these guys aren't fifty three
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: man guys. These guys are practice squad guys that if
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: you can bring them up cool. I think Cameron Klein's
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: been a bit of an underrated dude this preseason with
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: his not just pass rush. But what he's done is
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: an edge set, you know, defender against the run and
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: just some places biggest slicing and getting into the backfield
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: causing penetration. So some nice It was.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Another one I wanted to see you today because we
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: haven't seen much of him. But that's a tough spot
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: to be put in, like, hey, we haven't seen you,
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: now go do something.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like yeah, hey man, you're fighting for your roster
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: spot here. You have to fall out in this game.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Good luck have at it. That's a rough spot to
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: kind of be in for him. Solomon. I thought he
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: was really trying to work the edge today and kind
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: of turn the corner and run the arc, and it
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: just was not working. He was kind of getting pushed
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: around that arc as happened to him. We had a
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: one nice rep where he compressed the pocket and kind
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: of went through the chest a little bit of the
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: right tackle and then yeah, defensive line, like getting on
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: the intire It was really just like a lot of
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: depths kind of seeing who can do what, and I've
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: always fell decent with the depth. I'm always going to
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: go back to that Eleonkop performance against the Ravens two
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: seasons ago in Baltimore in the rain and him holding
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: his own against the team that just wanted to run
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: the ball down the Bill's throat, like with no Ed
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Oliver and no Daequon Jones, and it was him and
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I think Bryant were like the starting defensive tackles in
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: that game or whatever, and they held their own. But yeah,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I feel like the defensive line has capable bodies to
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: put on the practice squad. But everybody we saw today,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think there was Hey, this guy is gonna
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: see meaningful reps and snaps on the first team this year.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I think Solomon, I think he is going to get
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: a roster spot and then maybe we get a game
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: or two where he really flashes as a pass rusher.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: But I don't think he's gonna be I don't think
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: he's the hunter, the pass rusher, pass rush hunter that
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: people would like him to be yet, just because he
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: has to develop more of an inside move and kind
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: of deal with NFL length and strength, which is such
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: a significant change from how he was operating at Troy
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: and in the conference that he was playing in a college.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this reminds me of Grable the conversation we just
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: had about Tayland Grabil that, like, there's lots there to like.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: I like the player, I like the idea. Let's give
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: him two to three years, right Like, look at what
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: we're seeing with Greg Russou. Dude, like Greg Russau took
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: some time to get to a player where now I
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: think he's gonna live up to or cert pass draft
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: positioning here. But we're three years into that, right like that,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: that type of development is something that takes time, and
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: we expect, like you see these college highlights from a
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: guy and you hear about the production and the all
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: time sacks and stuff, You're like, Okay, well he should
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: be able to come in and do that. And I
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: don't know. I think it'll he'll have a definite carved
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: out role on special teams if he's playing something went
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: wrong too, right, Like, we got to acknowledge that, like
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: a Japaness either didn't continue the growth that we thought
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: he was gonna have or somebody's gotten hurt. Yeah, so
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: I think his I think he'll get some looks. I
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: think the Bills will do some things to scheme him
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: into some particular looks. Obviously, if there's blow Wilds things
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: like that, but in terms of like a game on
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: the line, like he's not gonna be your guy that
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: when the Kansas City Chiefs and they're playing in the playoffs, Like,
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna be the guy they bring
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: into some pass rush specialists to get after Patrick Mahomes.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Like again, maybe two to three years will be that guy.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: But that's what you're dealing with right now in this
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: that major roster turnover, Like a lot of it got
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: talked about the vets that left and Mitch Morris and
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: stuff on Diggs and all those guys, but what are
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: what was really about was resetting these like bottom guys
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: that hey, we got to have another two to three
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: year development guy in the work. So if von Miller
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: doesn't work out, we've got somebody in the building that
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: we're working to be that guy. Where fans just see
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: the a lot of time, and I'm a fan too,
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: but a lot of times we just see like the
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: top end highlights and like, Okay, yeah, let's just project
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: that right into where we're going and let these guys development.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: He's a fun guy, but they don't need it. We're
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: talking about this the starting unit and he's gonna have
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: a tough time even cracking in that right. Like there,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: this is a good solid unit, two layers, two rotations
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: deep when you get into the fifty three.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, And I don't think I don't think he's
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: at a spot where I think he's had some nice
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: run defense reps. But I don't think he's at a
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: spot where he's going to be like a first and
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: second down type run defender yet because of his size. Again,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: he's got good hand size and good arm length. For
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: his size, he's still under six to one and he's
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: under two hundred and fifty pounds, which is small for
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: an edge player. And then knowing his game is really
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: built on athleticism and juice and dip and bend, it's
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: hard to win like that consistently in the NFL against
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: NFL size, length and strength and technique and experience. So
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: he needs to develop more of that inside pass rush move.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's Yeah, we're not going to see
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: like rookie Javon Curse come out of Javon Solomon here
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: where he's just tearing it up for like double digit sacks.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: And when that season was nuts for Curse that year
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: oh that was the Music City Miracle year. It was
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: so dumb, so dumb, but Curse was so sick and cold. Dude,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: he was so nasty. He was nasty of Florida two.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: But yeah, if you're sitting there in Javon, Solomon is
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: like your edge five, I think that's cool like that.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Ye, he's making this team.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, And I think that's a solid spot. And you
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: put him at and you put him at edge five,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: he's pretty much going to be a special teamer. Get
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: some situations in blowouts, positively or negatively, or who knows,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: maybe there are some situations where it's just pure known
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: passing downs and your dude's up front or gas and
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: it's like, hey man, try and try and go make
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: a play and see what can happen. And you never know.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like he looks to be And
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: then I think the interesting conversation comes down to are
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: you keeping ten defensive linemen? Nine defensive linemen? Are you
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: keeping four defensive tackles? Is it five and five? In
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: terms of having edge and defensive tackles? Are you keeping
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: six defensive linemen and four defensive tackles? Because smooth offers
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: you some ability to reduce down inside in scenarios. The
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: interior has been a spot where I haven't been completely
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: disappointed in Dwayne Carter, but I haven't loved him. Austin Johnson,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I think I would put ahead of him on the
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: depth chart right now, and he's had some flashes and spurts,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: but DAYK one and ed are such a strong one
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: two and then you got depth behind them in rotations
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: and you're kind of just filling it all out. But
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: I think between the practice squad and the fifty three,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: like you said, like you have a good mix in
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: terms of kind of how you can plug and play
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: and what you want to do.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think there's a lot of snaps to
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: go around, right Like Oliver is gonna take up the
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: majority of the snaps at that three technique, and so
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: I think Carter will come along slowly there and then
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: hopefully it's a nice mix of Jones and which I
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: think that that's a benefit to the Bills to be
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: able to do that this year, is to offset some
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: of what the load that Jones has to take on
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: through the season. I don't think you need more than
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: those four and then you've got some of these guys
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: that we've talked about that can be. They're gonna play.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: These guys are gonna get hurt. It's dangerous on the
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: interior defensive line, people are gonna get hurt. So you've
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: got quality guys that can come in and play, and
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: then on the edge. I do think smooth ability to
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: kick in U is positional flexibility that helps them. And
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: I think we're so still can do some of that
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: stuff if needed. If they're in a bund or they
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: get a certain look where they want to get Solomon
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: or some of some one of these pass rushers on
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: the field, they could kick somebody in and get some
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: more pass rush looks on a long third, third and
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: twenty something, and so it would give you some of
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: that flexibility. But I think it's pretty set on that nine.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: For me, I've got the four interior players and then
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: five with Solomon. I don't think you need more than
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: I think that's exactly what the Bills need. Barring injury.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's pretty fair. Like if they fall
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: in love with somebody, you could see something else. But
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think like I don't think DeShawn Williams has
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: done enough to make you feel like you had a
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: roster five defensive lineman or defensive tackles, I should say,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: and then I don't think another edge player, Like I
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: don't know because who's the sixth edge if if you
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: had to do, yeah, you're doing Kingsley or you're doing
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Cline Like that's pretty much it. Like two Hill hasn't
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: had the opportunity to do that, and one.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Of those you'll be able to bring back at least
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: one of those three on your practice squad. Yes, if
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: not two of three probably yeahs.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Say yeah, you can probably have a decent shot with
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: that in general from a practice squad steam But which
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: is which again counts. It's not the fifty three, but
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: it still counts. They have them there in your building,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: although it's a different level of risk in terms of
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: guys going elsewhere. Anything else defensive line related. All right,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: So linebackers aka Joe Andreeson's position aka a position that
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: is somewhat worrisome because Matt Mulano is down. We had
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: that breakout game for Joe Andreeson last week. He played
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: the heavy majority of today, deep into the third quarter.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: It's pretty much him and Gian Jones, and we got
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: some little Fohio that was pretty much the majority for
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: of the linebacker snaps today. How do you feel about
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Andresen coming out of this game or the linebackers in
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: general from this game as we kind of head forward
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: in terms of figuring out who kind of fills out
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: this position group.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this one's an annoying one, right because
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Milano injury is so so heartbreaking to have to deal
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: with it early. It's really the only one. Though I
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: know a lot of talks has been made about injuries.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: It's really Milano is the devastating injury. Everything else seems
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: good to go at least or not mega important. It's
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: gonna be Dorrian Williams most likely, right, That is that
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: replacements that we're gonna have to rely on him taking
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: a big step forward the kind of the disappointing thing.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: I love this joe Inreesen story. I think it's super cool.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Like this is the stuff that I get jacked up
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: for too as a fan. I love it. Let's let
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: the guy have his moment in like a relative way
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: and just like let him just have that and it
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: doesn't have to be more than just like this is
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: a cool story for a local kid. I hope that
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: it works out for him. It got way too crazy
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: over the last week, and I think his play today
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: exposed some of what I think you and Eric had
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: talked about and breaking him down like he is super athletic.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: I think oftentimes this was a conversation that we probably
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: had the week of the playoff game against KC when
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: Bernard's out and you're bringing in an aj Klein and
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: people like just played Dorian Williams because the athleticism is
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: better than the alternative of lacking athleticism. And I think
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: this is a really interesting conversation that you can't really
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: put a EPA on or a dvaway or whatever advanced metric.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: It's hard is at what point does processing play a
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: role in game speed? And I think that we see
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: that a little bit with injuries and right now, especially
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: in coverage and not trusting where he's supposed to be.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: It almost seems like his feet get a little stuck
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: in the mud, and he's too much of an athlete
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: to get stuck in the mud. So to me, it
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: tells me there's like a there's a disjointing between the
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: processing and his brain where his feet here telling him
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: to go mostly in coverage because when he's running the
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: ball in the run game actually looks pretty good. And
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: some of his tackles today were downfield a little bit.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: But I like, I get why people like what they
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: see out of this guy. He's a good ball player.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: He's always round the ball. But I'd like to think
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: that I think that probably the disservice to this conversation
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: is that bail Inspector not being healthy. I think Bayle
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: Inspector would have been easily outplaying him if we were
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: able to see the two of them hand in hand playing.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: But again comes back to the best ability is availability,
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: and Baile Inspector continues to not be available. I think
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: the interesting question for Brandon Bean I know they like
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: Spector a lot, and I think that they still have
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: him on the depth chart above a lot of these guys.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: At what point do they have to be like way
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: that availability like, They're probably gonna have to put him
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: on the IR, I would think at some point here Again,
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: but that is a question that I'm looking to see,
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: is like do they continue in on this development of
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: Spector Or is a guy like Andresen like hey, we
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: can make or adding ula Fohia like having some special
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: teams guys that we think we can develop. Does that
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: make Spector like he's not getting younger and he's just
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: getting more injuries. Is the development not worth it anymore?
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: On that side, Yeah, that's a fair question.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: And I think lost in kind of the Andreasing game
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: last week was the fact that if Spector didn't pick
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: up that calf injury and joint practices, like, it would
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: have been Spector and Dorian Williams at linebacker last week,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: and it was just this perfect storm of Morrow's banged
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: up and Spector's banged up, and then Milano goes down
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: and Andresen steps in, So you got injuries to guys
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: ahead of him on the depth chart, which put him
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: into the starting spot. And then he has this really
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: good game in a week where your all pro linebacker
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: goes down and it was just like the per and
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: then he's from Buffalo. All around, it was like this
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: perfect storm of like hype and love and shoot this
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: guy stock to the moon because he's going to be
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: the future. And yeah, I think some of his deficiencies
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: or vulnerabilities were kind of overlooked last week, and I
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: think he saw some of them today, Like you said,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: like he bites super hard on play action. Again, it's
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: part of it's part of what makes him so successful
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: against the run, Like he has that quick trigger and
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: he sees run action and he.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Hits its problem too.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, and he would get sucked out of gaps and
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: sucked out of the coverage space. And then you add
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: that in with for for a guy who is very athletic,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: he's more of a straight line, heat seeking missile than
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: he is like this fleet of foot in space type
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: of dude. And you see some of that change of
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: direction ability when he's dropping into coverage like he's more
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: got Like he's not as smooth with his footwork as
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: he is like a short, choppy, like constantly stutterstep kind
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: of guy, and so he doesn't have great change of direction.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like middling. But you add that with
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: a dude who just is like sea ball, get ball
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: type of dude. I feel like he plays football like, oh,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: I forget his name, but the linebacker from the Replacements
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: that movie with Keanu Reeves, the guy who Gene Hackman
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: is like Danny, go get me that ball. He's the
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: same dude who plays like Iron man's main bodyguard and
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: falls in love with Antme and the Marvel universe whatever.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: He was in the freaking movie with Vince Vaughan all
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: those years ago. Oh my god, it's driving me nuts
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: and now I feel like I want to stop the
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: show and looking it up. But it doesn't matter. Yeah,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: he's just very much seaball get ball and can get
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: lost in coverage a little bit. It's also more of
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: a spot drop coverage dude than a match guy, and
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: he still has to learn in that regard. I think
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: he's done enough to earn a roster spot potentially, given
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: just the state of the linebacking group right, Like I
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: really I'm still like in on Nicholas Morrow, but with
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: that core muscle injury slash groin injury, we have no
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: idea he could just straight up be cut. Dion Jones
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: is not the Deon Jones from Yes Swingers. Thank you, Charles,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: thank you so much. Yes, Yes, John Farva, thank you
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: so much. He was also in Friends Dated Monica for.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: A little Man.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he was his number two, is his guy.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Good job, Aaron, good job, chat
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: appreciate everybody. Yeah, kind of like I'm still believing in
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: moral but they can also just cut him, and I
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: have no problem with it, Like he hasn't been able
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: to get on the field or do anything. Deon Jones
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: is not you know, twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons Dion Jones. That's not who the Bills have.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: And he shows some flashes, but it's still kind of mad.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: But if you wanted to keep Jones over andreason, I wouldn't,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: you know, grab my torch and pitchfork because of frustration.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: But just with Specter being injured and Moro being injured
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: and Deon Jones being older and kind of not a
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: lock either, I think it makes sense for people to
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: jump onto that train and make a case for andresen
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: like even just from a special team's value. Like I
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: got no problem with the dude with really good straight
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: line speed who finds the ball being on punt coverage
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: or being on kick coverage and being a developmental guy.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: But I don't think he's I think some of the
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: hyperbolegue was lost last week and people were firmly and like, hey,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: let's start him over Dorrian Williams and I say and like,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: I don't love Dorrian Williams, and I'm I still have
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of questions about him as well, but andreason's
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: not at that level yet today. And I mean, in reality,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think Dornyan Williams is ready to start either.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: But the Bills don't really have a choice.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: If if you cut Dorian Williams and Joe and Reeson,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't get Dorian Williams back, and you'd get Joe
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: and Treason back more likely than not. I like to
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: put it, I think we get hyped into our niche
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: a little too much too often, and we get like
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: these echo chambers on social media, and we see the
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: highlights and these things like that, and we lose perspective
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: of like the rest of the NFL. Sometimes. I know
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: I'm guilty of it, and I think this might be
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: one of those situations of we hype up these guys.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Maybe he's put enough on film and somebody like loves
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: that idea. But I think there's a lot of Joe
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: Andreeson's in the NFL, and I think a lot of
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: them are hanging out on rosters and they're like gritty
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: special teams guys that coaches love and they want to
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: get them back to So that's about where I would
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: put him. But again, like, let the guy have a
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: cool story, like how you played high school locally, Like
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: I didn't play in Western New York necess and and
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: so I don't know the ties to the city. But
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: I gotta imagine, like me being a Bills fan growing up,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: like how cool it would be to play for the Bills,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: let alone being a guy that played right up the road.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: Like this is a cool story. Whether or not he
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: makes the team or not, just let it be that.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's cool as how that he like
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: went to UB and then is like living at home
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: in Lancaster now, and like his commuting from like his
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: parents' house to the bill Stadium everybody like.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Dad like pulled out, is like regular game day attire,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: and he's like in Zuba's and like in the dirt
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: lot or whatever over by the same like that. Yeah,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: it's good. It's a great story. This is a story. Yeah,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: it's perfect.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Let him have his moment. But don't you know, I
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: think blow it out of proportion and put it like
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: to your point, I think like a lot of fans
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: don't have their ears to the beat for like other teams.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: A lot of other teams have Joe Andreson's and I
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily mean like hometown guy and makes a bunch
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: of plays, but like, there's a lot every single team
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: has that guy who's like comes out of nowhere and
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: plays really great and they're like, oh wow, like can
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: this guy really be something? Like should he? Should he start?
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: If we cut him, we're probably not going to get
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: him back. But I like the story of Andreas and
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: I think he's a functional player. I have no problem
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: with him making the fifty three, but he's especially with.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: The injuries, I think there's a real conversation to be had.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: I have him making the fifty three specifically because of
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: the injuries and the way that might shake out and
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: them needing more people at that spot. But it's at
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: the end of the fifty three.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, he's like fifty two, yeah, or like fifty one. However,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: we're kind of like put it down and again he's there,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: and he's going to be a special teams guy. And
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: I'm still baging it. If Nicholas Moro was like healthy,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: I'm still putting Moro in an NFL game ahead of him.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: And Inspector's healthy, like he's bumping him off the ross,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: like you're moving him back, like whatever it is.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: And I get people's like notion of that of like, well,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: Specter's never had a game like Andreason had, so Andrewson
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: should be like a better player than Spector, and like
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: it's not necessarily like so apt for apples in that conversation,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: like there's so much more context to it. Just yeah,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: a largely muddy conversation. But I'm fine if andres makest
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: all and again he had he had a good stat
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: sheet day today, But I think if I'm interested to
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: go and watch the tape because I feel like.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: Some of those were like downfield tackles, Yes, he had more.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: We had some of the coverage woes with him this
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: game like we did last game.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: Inside touchdown was on him.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, I I wasn't able to rewind because I wasn't
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: watching the game completely at home. But I believe that
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: was a push for Dion Jones. So Joanes should have
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: taken the flat and Andresen should have stayed home, but
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: they both went to the flat and it did not
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: work out. It was funny too, because Andresen and Kendall
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Williamson I think we're communicating pre snap, and then to
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: watch the communication and the hand signals then Andresen do
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: the wrong thing. I was like, oh uh, not great there,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he's he. I think we saw some coverage
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: woes today. There were some last week, but he had
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: some positives in coverage last week as well. But my
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: main thing was I felt like he was getting sucked
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: up by blockers more today, Like he wasn't smashing and
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: knocking dudes back and stacking and shedding and making play.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: He looked more like somebody said in the chat, he
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: looked more like a roster bubble guy today than he
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: did last week, which again I think is gonna happen
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: when you're two.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: And I do think the stat line is a little
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: misleading for a guy like him in the preseason where
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: he's playing so much. Right, even as the starters like
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: those defensive backs rotated, the rest of the D line rotated,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: it was like he played more snack. I won't be
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: surprised when the snap comes count comes out that it's
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: going to be probably a key in couch probably played,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: and they also led in tackles. I don't think there's
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: I think there's probably some correlation there.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. Yea more playing time equals more potential
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: for ross stats anything else on linebackers. That's cool. Let's
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: wrap up the defense with the secondary conversation. You talked
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: about Hardy a little. We mentioned to Corey Couch we
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: got some burn for JaMarcus Ingram and kyer Elam today,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: but really a lot of the depth dudes. Hardy was interesting.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: One I tweeted out like the middle of the second quarter,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: like thinking his day was done because he was out
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: for like a drive and once in one play and
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: then was gone and then came back at the end
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: of the second quarter and then played a majority of
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: the third like it looked like he was seemingly done
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: for the day, but then played a bunch with depth
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: guys down the depth chart, which was interesting. But what
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the secondary of the corners, the safeties,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: how you feel about anybody in particular coming out of
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: this game or anything going forward.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, corner to me feels like it's really set in
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: stone in terms of who's going to be the fifty
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: three guys, right, It's going to be obviously Terreon Johnson's
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: going to be holding down your Nickel and Douglas Benford,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: elam Ingram. I love this unit. And then you get
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: like a utility piece in cam Lewis that can play
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: all the positions in terms of need, which is again
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: positional flexibility. He's such a tool for them on game
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: day of being able to Yeah, he's not great and
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: he's got some bad moments, but he's a viable NFL
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: player at all those positions in a need. So I
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: love that group, and then I'm again a two to
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: three year development player. Hardy's awesome. I think, I think
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: this guy's a real NFL football player. When he got drafted,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: it was the story surrounding him, and I saw it
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: from a number of people was he's it's return only
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: and that's his only path to the rosters or returner.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: And this guy's got no business really being an NFL defender,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: and he has proved that couldn't be further from the truth.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: Not only does he have business playing in the NFL,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: he's got business playing on the outside, which is something
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: like I knew he could play at the NFL level
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: once we drafted him, and I really got my eyes
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: on him and saw him, and I saw exactly what
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: I see in Saron Johnson, which is a guy that
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: like pulls that trigger. He's not as hard to have
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: a play like. He doesn't play in the same style
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: as Aron Johnson, but he plays bigger than he is,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: and he plays in space well, and he plays that
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: nickel role really well in the big ten, like that's
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: not like that's big boy football over there where they're
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: running at you. And he held his own And so
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: I saw that this guy could play football. But even
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: I think he surprised even me who I thought he
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: could play by being able to play pretty well on
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: the outside. So I think this is a really interesting
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: development east for the Bill's long term here over the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: next two to three years term, Johnson is going to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: age out of being an all pro nickel and it
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: might not be in two to three years, but you've
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: got a secession plan now here. And I think Hardy's
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: made a case to maybe even make the roster as
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: the return guy. Like I think that there's a conversation
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: there for Brandon Bean is it going to be Ty
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: Johnson or do you give it to Hardy? And he
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: can be maybe here was here, Maybe he's shown enough
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: physicianal flexibility where they can kick him inside and out
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: and he could be that other cornerback for you that
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: in terms of Obviously, JaMarcus Ingram and Elm got reps today.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: Ingram got away with one today that Kyrie I almost
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: tweeted it out, but I was busy with the kids.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: Ingram got away with a holding that Kyrie Elm definitely would.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Have got flaged, the one on Johnson in the NS. Yeah,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: and Steve Tasker was super adamant that. He was like,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: great coverage, no hold. In my mind, I was like,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's fair.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how Kayer plays, right, and that's the stuff
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: that we can't stand when he's doing it and then
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: he gets caught for it. But then that's got to
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: be the most frustrating part of being Kyrie Elam the
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: last three years. It's like the way you play, you
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: seem to always get the flag and like everybody else
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: doesn't get those flags. But no, it was good to
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: see those guys out there. I think they're super good.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: But again, this was a piece that probably not a
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: lot moved on for me in this game. Obviously, there's
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: a bunch of questions about safety in that position. Kaream
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: Jackson flashed a number of times, but weird to see
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: him playing into the third quarter yep in a Bill's
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: preseason game with starters aren't playing. So I don't know
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: what that means for the injuries of that room if
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: he's gonna squeeze the spot in here, but I did.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: That's probably the only job that I was really looking at,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: Like man if Edwards, Bishop and Hamlin's nagging hamstring, if
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: those are all issues going into week one, two, does
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Kream Jackson just make it by default? That's kind of
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: where I'm at.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: I think you're spot on with that, Like I'll start
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: with the safeties and work my way back, Like, yeah,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: I think if if you have to start somebody right now,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: if you have to start your two safeties right now,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: I think it's Rap and it's cam Lewis. I guess
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: there's an outside chance that it could be like Kareem
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: Jackson potentially, But I think you're rostering Kareem Jackson for
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: week one based on like how everything is shaken out,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: and if Bishop doesn't progress, or Edwards doesn't progress, or
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Hamlin doesn't progress, like there's a shot that he's making
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: your Week one roster way way way down the depth
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: chart there if everybody was healthy regularly, which is interesting
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: to see. But like you said, like he flashed a
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: little bit, made some plays against the run and in
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: the in coverage, which was nice to see a little bit.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Hardy has been the biggest surprise of the preseason in
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: camp for me, just because you know on tape he's
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: not I think the measurables are legitimate, Like he is
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: bottom bottom bottom percentile for like a small arm, Like yeah,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: like he's a small dude, Like he's got good burst
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: and good explosion metrics, but he's from a heightweight, arm,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: leanth hand sized perspective, Like he's tiny.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: It's like if they threw me in the NFL straight off.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: So the yeah, I mean, I'm not much different size
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: than that.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: It's fair point. But you watched the tape of him
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: at Penn State and in twenty twenty three he had
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty eight snaps in the slot, but
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: he had one hundred and twenty five outside and a
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: lot of those are like in man coverage because they're
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: playing a bunch of cover one at Penn State and
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: doing blit stuff, and like he's holding his own, but
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: I still thought, like, okay, returner and slot, mainly because
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: I've wanted a legitimate backup to Taron Johnson three years.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Like I think it's cool that Cam Lewis can do
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: slot in safety and special teams, and he gives you
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: a ton of, like you said, positional flexibility and roster value,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: which is great. But you and me are very much
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: in lockstep with what I'm about to say next, like
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: slot corner is a premium position in the NFL, and
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: it's so important for this defense, which makes Taron Johnson
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: so important for this defense. And Taron Johnson still plays.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: He's gotten better with it, but he plays a brand
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: of football that is extremely physical, which means is possible
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: or likely that he's gonna get dinged up at some point. Yeah,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: he has one hundred percent. So my thought was like, Okay,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: Hardy can be a returner in the backup nickel Like
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: that was my thought, or like my ceiling form and
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: just watching how much he's played on the outside, like
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: before before today's game, he had sixty six snaps outside
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: and three snaps in the slot. Through two games against
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Chicago and Pittsburg. He didn't even have one in the
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: slot against Pittsburgh. So we had three slot snaps against Chicago,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: none against Pittsburgh. All forty three of his snaps came
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: it outside corner and watching him hold his own, watching
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: him read route distributions and break on the ball, and
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: being sound in zone coverage in a variety of ways,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: and using that plus's athleticism to mitigate any size or
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: frame concerns. It's been really nice to see. And I
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: think what's cool with him and Cam Lewis and JaMarcus
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: Ingram is you've got three guys who give you a
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: bunch of versatility and flexibility. Like JaMarcus Ingram can play teams, yes,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: physical as hell and can play teams, play outside corner.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Also can play in the slot and play your nickel.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Cam Lewis, we talked about him nickel safety special teams,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: and then you got Hardy outside inside the slot. Also
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: can be your returner on punt. Also could potentially be
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: a returner on kick return as well, and play teams
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: in general. Like, You've got these three guys who allow
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: you to open up roster spaces for other dudes because
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: they can wear two to three to four hats and
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: occupy multiple roles, which is so tremendously helpful. Yeah, he
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: had a nice play. I think if it was a
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: better ball, Terrast Marshall thing had him downfield, but Hardy
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: had a nice break.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: That's a huge difference in guys though, Right, what's he
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: five nine and Terrence Marshall's gotta be what six twos?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: I know he's over. I'm gonna look him up right, Yeah,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: now terrorist Marshall. Yeah, Hardy's listened at five nine one
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Terrass Marshall is six three two x three and he
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: can fly well. Hardy can fly to but yeah, Marshall
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: at that size runs very fast. Yeah, the Ingram play
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: I'm interested to watch on tape. I felt like he
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: got into Johnson's body a little bit, but I don't.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: I think he squeezed him more than he grabbed him
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: and kind of choked him to the sideline, which is interesting,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: but they still kind of call it. But either way,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: I just like his physicality, like I like his brand,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: and he wants to get in dude's faces and jam
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: the hell out of him. He tackles like a maniac.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: He had a really nice good hit today. I've got
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: I've gotten very comfortable with the corner depth with having
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: you know, Benford and Douglas and then Kaye and Ingram
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: and then Hardy and then Tarn and then it's is
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: a cam Lewis is an Ingram factor in? There is
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: a Hardy factoring in there, like the I feel so
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: much better about the corners than I do about the safeties,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: and there's so many questions at safety, and I feel
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: like each game has provided less and less answers for
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: the safeties because dudes keep getting banged up, Like we
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: haven't seen Cole Bishop, we haven't seen Mike Edwards. We
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: saw Hamlin for a little bit. He's banged up. And
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: then it's like, where's the answer, Where does the answer
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: come like from at this safety spot? And even though
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: I do have a ton of faith in McDermott at
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: rocking that spot, it's just the safety grouping is so mundy.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: It's also ironic too, considering how much of a cornerstone
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: it's been for the last like what five, six, seven
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: years or whatever. Every year just you know, set it
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: and forget it with higher emploint even though they looked
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: a little long in the tooth last year, like it's
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: always set in and forget it back there, and so
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: seeing where the safety group is at now and just
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: opposing it with that, but also just within the corner
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: group as the secondary as a whole, Like I think
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: the corners are such strength, but the safeties are a
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: question mark in terms of what they can be and
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: who's even just going to be back there.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a lot of faith in it though,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: which makes me feel good that again, to sort of
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: put a tie it all back together. We're talking about
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: these nagging injuries since the start in that it's like
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: an annoying way they're like week to week. And but
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: I think all these guys in the safety room are fits.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: Like I Again, I'm looking at this roster right now
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: while I'm doing this and looking at my fifty three projection,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: and I think you have starting groups at both levels.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: If they can play together and get some time, I
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: think it's going to be one of these groups that
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: feels really frustrating in September into October. It starts to
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: settle into playing well as we get to when football matters,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: which is December January hopefully. But I can see any
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: four a combo of the four of these guys with Tamorrow, Hamlin, Taylor, Rat,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: Mike Edwards Cold bish Up all being viable starters in
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: the NFL in this defense, specifically for the Buffalo Bills, right,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: and the way that they play this defense, and the
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: way that we know guys like Sean mcdermoty and Bob
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: Babbage can take a player that even a limited player,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: like say, you believe Deamar Hamlin's limited athletically, which I
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: don't necessarily agree with. I think that processes well enough,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: but so you think he is. Look what they did
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: with Dotson last year and like tricking PFF into thinking
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: he was one of the best linebackers in all of football.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: And all that was was good coaching, like put guys
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: in spots where you're not going to put them in
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: their spots to b division right, Like you're not going
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: to ask them to do too much stuff. And I
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: wanted to get back to the point where when you
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: and Eric were at camp, the thing that probably got
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: me the most excited this summer talking about the defense
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: was when they had some semblance of health in that
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: safety room, when they were running even just Hamlin and
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: Rap and the games that Eric was talking about that
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: they were playing with the safeties in terms of pressures
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: stuff like that, Like before Deamar Hamlin's incident, the Bills
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: are starting to actually like weaponize him as a blitzer,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: like they're bringing him up to the line and the blitzer.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: Like the type of chaos that he could create blitzing
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: and as a blitzer was awesome.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: And then yeah, that's where he's at his best, like
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: coming forward and playing like top down in the box
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: and close to around the line scrimmage.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: That's it. And Eric was kind of like said, that's
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: what you guys were seeing at camp early on, was
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: both doing that and still having that sort of interchangeability
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: of like who's coming, who's going, and bringing some of
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: that pressure. I want to see them get at least
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: to a healthy enough spot where that can be in play,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: because I do think that's probably what you'll lose in
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: terms of the bite this defense has where you've already
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: lost Milano for a significant amount of time. If these
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: injuries are something and it is cam Lewis and Taylor rap,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: can you do those things? I don't know that you can.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: And that's probably the conversation about how good is Kim
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: Lewis to have on a team as a utility player.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: If he's like really kind of limits what you can do.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: But I do think you can do it with Hamlin
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: Edwards and if cold Bishop's back here this year and wrap.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: So I do like the guys, but it might take
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: some time for this to really work out because of
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: these injuries early in the year.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: I think it's super fair. I think, all things equal,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: if Edwards is healthy, I feel like he's the week
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: one starter, even though he's been banged up a ton
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: and doesn't looked great because he's been banged up. I'm
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: still intrigued by Bishop. I don't love a wrap Hamling pairing,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: but like to your point, like I think it's fine
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: to like get the job done. It's not, oh my god,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: the end of the world. I do think there are limitations,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: but I do think they still work within the scheme
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: and structure of the defense. And then McDermott is good
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: enough at setting up his safeties for success and kind
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: of mitigating their deficiencies or vulnerabilities. Erin, I'm going to
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: start to wind down and wrap things up here, but
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: I know you got to dip Flora is yours. If
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: you want to say anything to the people the folks
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: whatever you want.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I got to dip out here. My kids
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: driving my wife nuts. I can hear it in the
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: other room, so I'm gonna go help her out. But no,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: I think this has been a fun preseason. The injuries
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: are annoying. I see the discourse about it, but we
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: just got to wait this one out. The only advice
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: I've got is all that matters in terms of injuries
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: is what that looks like at Christmas? Right Like, how
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: does this Bill's team look at Christmas? These injuries right
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: now don't seem significant that we'll see all these players
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: by then. This Bills team has just got to get there,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: right and we saw it last year. They're gonna go
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: through some slumps and stuff like that. Let's just try
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: to ride that moment, enjoy it. You've got a good team.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen's the stud. He's healthy. As long as he's healthy,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: it's all possible. Man. All this other stuff is just
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: noise and nonsense. But Anthony, man, I appreciate you having
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: me along this journey here to wrap this up. I
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: can't wait to get on discord. They'll cover one discord
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: and discuss some of this fifty three man roster. Stuff
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: that's happening here this week and other than that, Man,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: appreciate you having me on. I look forward to listening
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: to the rest of the show offline here.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna wrap up and start to
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: wind down. Enjoy taking care of the kids and giving
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: your wife some relief. I appreciate you joining me. Thanks, Yeah,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: hell yeah, I enjoy the rest of Bills later. Later,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: good time with mister Aaron Quinn. And yeah, I think
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: he kind of hit it on the head in terms
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: of putting things into perspective a little bit of what
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: we've talked about a lot today. I think on the show,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: where the Bills are at and just this team, this roster,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: and how everything kind of coalesces into one. I think today,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: if I think if you were looking for answers from
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: today's game at certain positions really across the roster's the whole.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you necessarily got anything completely. I
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: think today strengthened your case off for offensive line depth,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: for multiple running backs, like we talked about. I think again,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: guys who were already in good positions, I think strengthened
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: their case today, like we talked about but a lot
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: of dudes who were kind of floundering or roster bubble guys.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone did much to help their
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: case aside maybe from Kine at Wide Receiver today A kay,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: the Sammy Watkins look alike with the fourteen and the dreads,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: even the run style and like the half the T
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: shirt down through like the middle of the bicep. Just
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of Sammy Watkins vibes there. But yeah, I
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: don't know if anyone really kind of came out of
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: nowhere and helped themselves today. I think Hammler had a
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: good day after being largely I don't wanna say non
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: existent but not really showing too much in week one.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: In Week two he had a nice day to day
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: and especially filling it and running back at the end
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: with Evans being banged up at Gore being banged up.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: Shout out to him. But I think today was a
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: day for guys who were already in good position, kind
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: of strengthening their case a little bit, and then guys
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: who were towards the bottom not really making too much
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: noise or doing too much. One last note with the
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: secondary I mentioned earlier, I do want to see too
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: Corey Couch on the practice squad. Just from the physicality aspect,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be anything high level in
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: the NFL. Just I think as athletic limitations are going
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: to make it tough. We've seen him kind of struggle
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: with some NFL size and speed, but the physicality plays,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: the tenacity and the toughness plays. I just don't know
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: if there's really long term upside there that Nickel spot
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: given some kind of the athletic limitations that exist there.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: But you never know. Guys kind of turn it on
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: and change a little bit. Sophia says yes or no,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: aunt does Andresen make the fifty three? Yeah? I think yeah,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: I think he does. A lot of this for me
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: is going to depend on, like the health of the linebackers.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: If all things equal, if Specter and Moro are healthy
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: and they know they're going to be healthy, I think
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: there's a good chance both of those guys can make
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: it over Andresen. But I think with Spector being banged
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: up and then Moro's injuries, that's kept him out for
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: the entirety of camp, and we haven't seen anything from
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: him really in terms of significant volume or reps. I
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: think Andresen has a good shot. And again I don't
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: want to just make it seem like well it's by default.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: I think it's partly due to Andreasen playing well last
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: week and showing some things today, like I think there
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: is something there. I don't think he's a full roster
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: lock if everybody is healthy and if the process had
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: gone about normally, but he got an opportunity to shine,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: and then with those dudes still being banged up, I
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: think he has the opportunity to kind of uh managle
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: and uh manegol I combined maneuver and finagel and no
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: one work. Manego kind of works. Yeah, finego that roster
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: spot and kind of see what happens there. I am
• 1:22:02
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• 1:22:04
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Oh, grab this one quickly from Tim timsaying,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: any particular guys you're going to be keeping an eye
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: on while watching the All twenty two It always starts
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: with coverage and trenches for me, just because I don't
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: think you get a good enough eye on it in broadcast.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: So offensive line, I really want to see what Cedric
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: raand Praying Granger did, Lyle Collins, Vandermark Anderson, really the
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: dudes that I think are going to make up that
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: second grouping of offensive linemen to get us the nine
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: or ten offensive lineman. I'm going to be watching the
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: secondary so hardy, the safetyes Elam Ingram Couch, that whole
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: crew that really played a lot for the games. Coverage
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: the Bills were running, how everybody functioned with those coverages?
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: Oh real quick, Tim, Buffalo Bill's UK says it's ten
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: thirty pm here and loved it and appreciate you. I Also,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: I need to go back to the episode we did
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: earlier this week. I don't remember the numbers I said
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: for Gore in this game, but I think I came close.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: I said something like if he has like seventeen carries
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: for like one hundred and thirteen yards, and I think
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: he had like seventeen for one oh one. Like I
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: need to go back and listen and see what it was,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: because I think I came close. Thank you guys again
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: for having me on the show earlier this week. It
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: was awesome. So back to you, Tim. Yeah, secondary pieces,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: trench pieces. I really want to watch Gore and Evans.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: I think they both had good games. I made a
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: lot of notes just from individual runs where I think
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: they made they got more than the run was blocked for,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: or where they made the most out of their blocking
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: it took advantage and set dudes up well. Really kind
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: of yeah, I think that's where my head is at. Trenches, secondary,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: some of the running back stuff, and then some random
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: oddities like andresen or some wide receiver pieces. But I'll
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: be consuming all of that tomorrow. I think the film
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: should drop tomorrow and I'll be posting a lot of
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: it tomorrow on Sunday or early Monday morning, I believe,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: but I'll do it for us here in this episode
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: of Disgui's coverage. I hope you and your family and
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: friends and loved ones are all doing well and staying safe.
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  Speaker 1: Be kind of one another, take care of one another.
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  Speaker 1: I will see you Tuesday, nine pm Eastern for a
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: regular edition of the Skuy's coverage. And until then, godspeed
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  Speaker 1: and as always, go Bills.