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"Shorthanded SCOTUS hears Climate Case" (FTTxJT Tue 100626 hr4) · First Thing Today with Joe Thomas

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  Speaker 4: Ben writes in listening to us in Four Corners out
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  Speaker 4: there by Sealy. Go down, visit Mesa Verde Hemp. But
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  Speaker 4: he says, he says, did I get this right? The
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  Speaker 4: Supreme Court has upheld a decision that said I can
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  Speaker 4: ban a shirt that says let's go Brandon on it
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  Speaker 4: because the implication of the slogan is is profane. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And there's actually a story out here today about book
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  Speaker 4: banning in schools. And it's a story that says this
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  Speaker 4: is why the government shouldn't run the schools, from where
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  Speaker 4: I sit anyway, Ben. But I appreciate the email. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: there's a story that the Supreme Court declined to hear.
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  Speaker 4: So when the Supreme Court says we're not going to
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  Speaker 4: hear that case, which is what they'd spent a lot
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  Speaker 4: of yesterday doing, it leaves it in whatever the ruling
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  Speaker 4: was just prior to it, which was that the school
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  Speaker 4: district was within its right to ban a sweatshirt that said,
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  Speaker 4: let's go Brandon on it. Their reasoning for it was
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  Speaker 4: that the underlying expression from the NASCAR race that it
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  Speaker 4: was born at is profane. Therefore, there is an implication
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  Speaker 4: of profanity in the sweatshirt, which they are allowed to ban.
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  Speaker 4: But the Supreme Court said that the school district has
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  Speaker 4: the right to do it. We're not going to pick
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  Speaker 4: up the case. So, yes, we can discuss that further.
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  Speaker 4: But let's get into the first things. Ilya Shapiro coming
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  Speaker 4: up from the Manhattan Institute on Boulder, Colorado versus Exxon,
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  Speaker 4: another Supreme Court case. situation there. Tom drops bombs, all
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  Speaker 4: Film at 11. Actually, in this case, Maricopa County sent 3,000
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  Speaker 4: votes to voters before voting was supposed to begin. Supreme
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  Speaker 4: Court determined that they will hear the case over whether
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  Speaker 4: local governments can sue oil and gas companies over damage.
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  Speaker 4: That's the case of Boulder versus Suncor and ExxonMobil. However,
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  Speaker 4: Justice Alito has recused himself from this hearing, leaving the
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  Speaker 4: court in a possible 4-4 tie. Supreme Court won't hear
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  Speaker 4: the challenge to the Let's Go Brandon sweatshirts. A Michigan
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  Speaker 4: mother of two said the school's banned is a First
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  Speaker 4: Coming up next, as I said, we'll get into the
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  Speaker 4: Supreme Court hearing on Boulder, Colorado v. ExxonMobil with Ilya
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  Speaker 1: First thing today by Joe Thomas on the talk media network.
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  Speaker 4: Climate change back in the news. Now the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 4: said they'll hear this case again. out of Boulder, Colorado.
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  Speaker 23: Making up data the old hard way. Fudging the numbers
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  Speaker 23: day by day. Ignoring the snow and the cold in
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  Speaker 23: a downward line.
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  Speaker 12: Hide the decline.
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  Speaker 4: Michael Mann Blues. You know it's a.
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  Speaker 23: Michael Mann thinks he's so smart. Totally inventing the hockey
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  Speaker 23: stick chart. Ignoring the snow and the cold in a
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  Speaker 23: downward line.
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  Speaker 4: Hide the decline. So the Supreme Court said, first, let's
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  Speaker 4: hear your arguments from Boulder, Colorado, who says we want
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  Speaker 4: to be able to sue these oil and gas companies
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  Speaker 4: in the same way that, and it sounds like to me,
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  Speaker 4: built off of the same premise that the lawsuits started
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  Speaker 4: coming after Philip Morris back in the day. Ilya Shapiro
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  Speaker 4: from the Manhattan Institute has got some really interesting and
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  Speaker 4: far more nuanced points than just my bludgeon on Ilya.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for taking some time out with us this morning.
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  Speaker 4: How are you doing? Good to be with you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing fine.
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  Speaker 18: I was in the courtroom yesterday. It was an interesting argument.
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  Speaker 18: And the whole dynamic of the case changed when last
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  Speaker 18: week Justice Alito announced that he was recusing himself, presumably
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  Speaker 18: because he owns some oil company stocks.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to ask if we knew exactly
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  Speaker 4: what his recusal was based on. What is the peril
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  Speaker 4: of a 4-4 ruling, a split ruling in the Supreme
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  Speaker 4: Court on any case, but certainly in this one?
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  Speaker 18: Well, 4-4 means that the decision being appealed stands without
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  Speaker 18: any opinion or precedent value from the Supreme Court. So
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  Speaker 18: the Colorado Supreme Court's decision to allow this lawsuit to
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  Speaker 18: continue would stand. And presumably at that point, there'd be
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  Speaker 18: a big settlement. The oil companies are not going to
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  Speaker 18: allow this to get litigated fully. They want to pay
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  Speaker 18: off these people, presumably. And there would be all these
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  Speaker 18: other lawsuits that are going on. Maybe the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 18: would take up one of those and Alito would sell
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  Speaker 18: those stocks.
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  Speaker 4: Who knows? But it would be the same.
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  Speaker 18: A 4-4 is the same as a win for the respondents.
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  Speaker 4: I only know this because I've talked to you before,
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  Speaker 4: but one of the things that's important in a Supreme
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  Speaker 4: Court case is what is the source case coming up
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  Speaker 4: to the court? What is the nuance within what Boulder,
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  Speaker 4: Colorado is trying to do that makes it compelling and
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  Speaker 4: perilous for those who don't want to see these municipalities
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  Speaker 4: just be able to sue whoever they want for whatever
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  Speaker 4: they want, whenever they want?
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  Speaker 18: Well, this is a suit under state law, state tort law,
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  Speaker 18: consumer protection, nuisance against producers of oil. This is not
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  Speaker 18: saying that a factory or many factories owned by a
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  Speaker 18: particular company are emitting pollution or greenhouse gases. They're saying
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  Speaker 18: that the oil companies are generating climate change that harms
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  Speaker 18: Boulder locally. And the problem is that there are, of course,
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  Speaker 18: all sorts of federal environmental regulations, the Clean Air Act
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  Speaker 18: that regulates these sorts of things, because, of course, the.
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  Speaker 4: This sort of.
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  Speaker 18: Activity is nationwide and indeed global in scope. So it's
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  Speaker 18: not directed at Colorado or Boulder or anything like that.
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  Speaker 18: And so the question is, the technical legal question is
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  Speaker 18: whether all that federal regulation, and in some circumstances, the
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  Speaker 18: absence of the decision not to regulate certain things by
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  Speaker 18: Congress or the relevant agencies, whether that precludes or prevents
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  Speaker 18: states from having their own regulations, whether by state common law,
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  Speaker 18: whether statute or anything else? And is there, because the
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  Speaker 18: Constitution says if there's a direct conflict between state and
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  Speaker 18: federal law, federal law trumps.
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  Speaker 4: Is this, and I gather from this, if there was
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  Speaker 4: an oil refinery in Wyoming, Boulder could make the case
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  Speaker 4: that it's impacting their climate by existing there? Or is
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  Speaker 4: it beyond that, where it's just the existence of fossil
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  Speaker 4: fuels has created climate change and therefore Boulder wants recompense for,
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  Speaker 4: I was reading some of the list, infrastructure costs and
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  Speaker 4: medical treatments costs and different upgrades to municipal, all sorts
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  Speaker 4: of laundry list of things they're claiming they had to
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  Speaker 4: spend money on and continue to spend money on because
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  Speaker 4: climate change in their mind exists. Yeah, this raises a
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  Speaker 4: related issue of attribution. Pollution cases have been regulated, have
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  Speaker 4: been litigated. Courts know how to deal with them.
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  Speaker 18: If it's something from one state going into another state,
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  Speaker 18: it doesn't have to be pollution.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it could be as much as, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a Somebody standing.
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  Speaker 18: On one side of the border and shoots a gun
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  Speaker 18: into the other state, there are ways to litigate those
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  Speaker 18: kind of interstate disputes.
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  Speaker 4: But here, where it's a number of.
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  Speaker 18: Companies just in the United States, and the United States generates,
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  Speaker 18: I think, only about 10% of worldwide greenhouse gas emissions,
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  Speaker 18: something like that. So how much of that do you
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  Speaker 18: attribute to the companies? How much of it that actually
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  Speaker 18: harms Boulder is attributed to the companies? that presumably would
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  Speaker 18: something that if the litigation is allowed to continue, that
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  Speaker 18: those courts now in Colorado would have to figure out
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  Speaker 18: and the lawsuit might still fail on those grounds. But
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  Speaker 18: before we even get to those kind of factors, we
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  Speaker 18: have to figure out whether the federal regulatory scheme trumps
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  Speaker 18: this attempt to regulate by litigation under state law.
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  Speaker 4: You know, beyond this, Ilya Shapiro is on with us
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  Speaker 4: from the Manhattan Institute. Beyond this, Could this set a
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  Speaker 4: precedent to say, well, you're the root of this industry,
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  Speaker 4: so I can go after Intel because you make computer
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  Speaker 4: chips because of something that happened on the Internet? Because
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  Speaker 4: it seems like, you know, you're opening a Pandora's box
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  Speaker 4: into tort liability issues. Beyond just you did something to me,
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  Speaker 4: you exist. Therefore, the thing that was used, you know,
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  Speaker 4: can can can Ryobi tools be sued because somebody used
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  Speaker 4: a sledgehammer they built to damage my car? I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's that's the kind of thing that it
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  Speaker 4: seems like this is setting up for.
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  Speaker 18: This came up during argument yesterday. Justice Thomas at one
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  Speaker 18: point said, you know, ultimately, if you're going after everyone
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  Speaker 18: that causes climate change, what about. who's involved in oil
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  Speaker 18: and gas? What about an individual consumer who pumps gas
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  Speaker 18: into his car? At the end of the day, it's
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  Speaker 18: all connected in that way. And I think the example
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  Speaker 18: of the California software developer is a little different. That
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  Speaker 18: came up as well. If someone can, a virus or something,
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  Speaker 18: bad software design is traced to business damage, that seems
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  Speaker 18: like a normal suit. Again, we have suits all the
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  Speaker 18: time for product liability. You put out a product that's
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  Speaker 18: bad design or bad manufacturing or whatever the case may
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  Speaker 18: be across state lines or internationally, for that matter. The
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  Speaker 18: courts know how to deal with those kinds of cases.
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  Speaker 18: And so questions were directed at the parties, is this
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  Speaker 4: Get the crap cleaner software open. Something is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Ilya Shapiro. Tom's still dropping bombs. With this, he's just
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  Speaker 4: this morning. Good morning, Clark. How are you doing, sir?
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  Speaker 27: I'm pretty good, Joe. So let me get this right
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  Speaker 27: about the Let's Go Brandon shirt being banned by the
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  Speaker 18: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 27: It would make someone think about what the crowd was
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if it was as nuanced as that,
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  Speaker 4: in question said that because the expression is based on
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  Speaker 27: That, uh, you know, because it might make me think
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  Speaker 27: me think profane words. And while we're on this, if
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  Speaker 4: Of stuff, Joe. I guess so. The First Amendment's getting
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  Speaker 27: Anything that might make somebody think bad thoughts.
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  Speaker 8: Wait, wait.
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  Speaker 27: I read a book one time that talked about, like,
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  Speaker 1: What was the name of that?
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  Speaker 4: It was a year.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah, 1984.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, that was a long time ago. That's ancient history, Clark.
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  Speaker 4: Good stuff, my friend. Well said.
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  Speaker 28: Take care.
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  Speaker 4: Always take care. About a busy docket, Ilya. And that's
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  Speaker 4: even beyond the scope of what I was thinking about
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  Speaker 4: with that. Ilya Shapiro on with us from the Manhattan Post.
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  Speaker 4: Institute on the Supreme Court hearing yesterday. Beyond this, I
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: can hear Al Gore now firing up the internet that
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  Speaker 4: has now ruled that climate change is a real thing.
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  Speaker 4: There's that grander scale. We were finally making inroads on
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  Speaker 4: people realizing that this was just, what does our friend
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  Speaker 4: Chris Horner call it, the world's second oldest profession, just
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  Speaker 4: a bunch of rent seeking from the taxpayer for these companies.
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  Speaker 4: And here would come a Supreme Court ruling that would
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  Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean, they weren't, this was not at all
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  Speaker 4: But I'm saying that the ruling would be trumpeted by
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  Speaker 4: those who would seek to use it to say, look,
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  Speaker 4: we've now proven climate change exists because the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 4: has ruled in favor of Boulder, Colorado. That's what I'm
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  Speaker 4: saying is that they would use that as a tangent,
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  Speaker 18: Well, I mean, there, there's no, this is, you get,
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  Speaker 18: lasted about a little over two hours, I think. And, uh, um,
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  Speaker 4: Going to be for Boulder.
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  Speaker 18: Um, Kavanaugh and Roberts are for the oil company's position,
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  Speaker 18: and I think the rest are in play for different reasons. Thomas,
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  Speaker 18: for example, cares a lot about proper jurisdiction, and he's
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  Speaker 18: skeptical of preemption, that is, that federal regulation necessarily trumps state,
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  Speaker 18: so it's an idea of federalism.
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  Speaker 18: Gorsuch has his own ideas about how interstate lawsuits work. Kagan,
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  Speaker 18: and things like that. So I would say that this
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  Speaker 18: opinion from the court, but just letting the case proceed,
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  Speaker 18: letting the decision below stand, to a 6-2 for the
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  Speaker 18: not a case of the left versus the right. It's
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  Speaker 18: whether the markets react in any way, but very hard
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  Speaker 4: It's been a tough year for our oil companies, you know,
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  Speaker 18: It's rare that they hold one from the first day
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  Speaker 4: But, you know, it's hard to predict. Well, I appreciate
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  Speaker 4: This is Joe, spot on. This is going to be
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  Speaker 15: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I know Ilya, he's analysis of the legal issues,
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  Speaker 7: generations get the benefits they've earned.
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  Speaker 26: I'm CeCe.
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  Speaker 11: My victory was finishing my education.
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  Speaker 7: When America's veterans win, we all win. Help us support
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  Speaker 9: We the people are guaranteed five freedoms.
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  Speaker 4: In the First Amendment.
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  Speaker 9: Freedom of speech.
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  Speaker 4: Freedom of religion.
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  Speaker 22: Freedom of the press.
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  Speaker 7: Freedom to peaceably assemble.
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  Speaker 4: Freedom to petition the government.
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  Speaker 29: Only the United States has these five freedoms so simply
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  Speaker 29: bound together and guaranteed.
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  Speaker 13: Think first.
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  Speaker 4: Learn more at thinkfirstamendment.org.
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  Speaker 19: No word in the English language is less convincing than probably.
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  Speaker 26: Are you sure we should get matching tattoos on our
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  Speaker 26: first date?
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  Speaker 25: Sure.
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  Speaker 10: We'll probably stay together.
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  Speaker 5: Probably?
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  Speaker 3: It's been 23 minutes since I ate.
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  Speaker 4: I can probably swim. Uh, you should wait 30 minutes. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: don't tell me what to do.
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  Speaker 19: Cannonball!
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  Speaker 22: Cramp!
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  Speaker 29: I can probably hit the green from here.
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  Speaker 4: Probably.
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  Speaker 29: Can I get a mulligan?
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  Speaker 13: Ready to go?
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  Speaker 15: Hey, are you sure you're okay to drive?
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  Speaker 26: Yeah, I'm pretty sober.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm probably okay.
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  Speaker 19: Probably okay isn't okay, especially when it comes to drinking
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  Speaker 26: A message from the We Don't Serve Teens program and
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  Speaker 1: Making mornings great again. First thing today on the Talk
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  Speaker 1: Media Network by Joe Thomas.
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  Speaker 4: Joe was asking us about we hold these truths. So
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  Speaker 4: that being said, that's where the issue within we hold
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  Speaker 4: these truths, you know, that expression, that government philosophy is
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  Speaker 4: imperative that you have to believe that there are hard
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  Speaker 4: and fast truths. You get it?
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  Speaker 28: Oh, I agree.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: So I'm not nuts.
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  Speaker 28: Well, when I worked at UVA, I wore the Constitution
• 44:58
  Speaker 28: Matters because they said we could wear T-shirts as long
• 45:01
  Speaker 28: as they weren't offensive. And here I'm working at a
• 45:04
  Speaker 28: place that Thomas Jefferson built, and that was offensive to
• 45:08
  Speaker 28: people because it said it made a political statement. And
• 45:12
  Speaker 28: we're a constitutional republic.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: Well, but that's the thing. That's what's happened now is
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: we've taken these words and we've turned them into profanities
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  Speaker 4: like Brandon, apparently. And so, or let's, I guess, is
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: the profanity there. That's what I mean about inventing your
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: own truth. We've become so smart. We've invented our own truths.
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  Speaker 4: I have to run, Joel. You be good, my friend.
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  Speaker 28: Bye, YouTube.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: Tom drops bombs, you know, still dropping. He's reloaded. And,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: you know, we were talking about this case, congressman lying about,
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: you know, his voting record, but mostly counting on people
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  Speaker 4: to not know what his voting record was, Tom.
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  Speaker 29: I said out of the gates, they presume that you're
• 46:03
  Speaker 29: stupid enough to believe that one member of Congress can
• 46:05
  Speaker 29: do stuff by his or herself, or they're so dumb
• 46:08
  Speaker 29: that they think that they can do these things by themselves.
• 46:11
  Speaker 29: I think it's the former rather than the latter. But,
• 46:14
  Speaker 29: I mean, look, the whole gambit here hinges on us
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  Speaker 29: thinking or them thinking that we're too stupid to fact
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  Speaker 29: check it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And they may be right. I mean, this goes back, Tom,
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: this goes back to the math I laid out. If 40, 45,
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: this is all part of that tacit vote suppression. You know,
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: news stories about phony baloney ballots and news stories about
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: mail-in balloting and all of this. News stories about Trump
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: and emoluments or Trump and oil or Trump and new wars.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: It's all about vote suppression. So you drive the vote
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: down to 40, 45 percent. It's the old you can
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: fool some of the people all of the time. the
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: numbers start to become something you can pencil out.
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  Speaker 29: It's again, it hinges upon you not informing yourself and
• 47:05
  Speaker 29: not informing your friends and not getting out to vote.
• 47:08
  Speaker 29: And it really, our morale is understandably so low that
• 47:12
  Speaker 29: that's a foreseeable conclusion of the world in which we live.
• 47:14
  Speaker 29: We've got to change that paradigm and we can only
• 47:17
  Speaker 29: change the paradigm by informing ourselves and getting engaged.
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: And no less.
• 47:22
  Speaker 29: Than America hangs in the balance. The beauty of it is,
• 47:26
  Speaker 29: That I'm here for they're not there, not here for here.
• 47:29
  Speaker 29: And no matter what happens, God's got it all in
• 47:32
  Speaker 29: his hands. That does not absolve us of our responsibility
• 47:35
  Speaker 29: to do the best we can while we're here with
• 47:36
  Speaker 29: what we've been given.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 20: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely. God said we have a garden, but he's not
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: going to shovel it for us. So so what? It's
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: Nancy Pelosi. It's, you know, how many different of these,
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: you know, I think Kalshi actually has an algorithm. You
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: can just invest like Nancy Pelosi. And it's become almost
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: a gag, a bad gag. How rampant is this kind
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: of collusive behavior that they all blame Donald Trump? Oh, emoluments,
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: emoluments is their favorite word since 2017. When they're doing
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: the same thing and they'll point to blind trusts and
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: they'll say, oh, no, I didn't invest my 501c3 invested
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: in it or my blind trust.
• 48:31
  Speaker 29: They just tailor the lie to the facts, right? So
• 48:37
  Speaker 29: here's another one. John McGuire, Congressman of Virginia Fifth, has
• 48:41
  Speaker 29: never bought a stock in his life. I know this
• 48:43
  Speaker 29: because I've known John McGuire for 20 years as well
• 48:46
  Speaker 29: before he was a member of Congress. Never bought a
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  Speaker 29: stock in his life.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: He does.
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  Speaker 29: Have mutual funds and a retirement account. Meanwhile, you've got
• 48:52
  Speaker 29: Tom Perriello, who literally earned millions working for George Soros,
• 48:59
  Speaker 29: running around going, look at John McGuire unjustly enriching himself
• 49:03
  Speaker 29: making stock transactions while he's in D.C. No, his retirement account,
• 49:08
  Speaker 29: that is a blind trust. So they'll just tailor the
• 49:11
  Speaker 29: lie to the facts and do so with a straight face,
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  Speaker 29: which is troubling.
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  Speaker 4: But this is my job. This is this is what
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: people like me are supposed to do is say, oh, really?
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: And so, you know, congressional candidate says something. Filament 11
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: people in my industry have become way too accepting of
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: this stuff as road, Tom.
• 49:33
  Speaker 29: Yeah, or they're complicit, right, with the 100-byte laptop, right?
• 49:39
  Speaker 29: Either the media was so stupid that they really believed
• 49:42
  Speaker 29: it had all the hallmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign,
• 49:45
  Speaker 29: but it turned out to be the gospel truth, or
• 49:48
  Speaker 29: they were in the team, and Jefferson really believed that.
• 49:52
  Speaker 29: That that fourth estate that the Joe Thomases and the
• 49:55
  Speaker 29: New York Times were probably as important to a free
• 49:59
  Speaker 29: and functioning democratic system as that legislative branch. But only
• 50:04
  Speaker 29: right now we go back to John Adams, where we
• 50:07
  Speaker 29: had a moral and religious people. Our government is wholly
• 50:09
  Speaker 29: sufficient for moral and religious people and entirely inadequate for
• 50:12
  Speaker 29: all others, paraphrasing. And so we got a scenario where
• 50:16
  Speaker 29: the fourth estate, the truth tellers who are to inform
• 50:18
  Speaker 29: us and allow us to make decisions with information based
• 50:21
  Speaker 29: on our own values are probably in bed with one
• 50:26
  Speaker 29: half of the political machine who seems to think that.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, again, the I.C.
• 50:30
  Speaker 29: Is dangerous because they tell them and I know I've
• 50:33
  Speaker 29: been close enough to the I.C. in various situations. actions
• 50:35
  Speaker 29: and life experiences. Like, your job's to lie. And then
• 50:38
  Speaker 29: they get very comfortable lying. Then they start thinking they're
• 50:41
  Speaker 29: smarter than everybody because everybody else is functioning in a
• 50:44
  Speaker 29: world where we tell the truth. And then it becomes
• 50:47
  Speaker 29: the currency of the realm, which is really frightening.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: Who tells the story of the best?
• 50:53
  Speaker 29: Vindman and Sandberger are from that school.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: Well, and that's the thing. Part of it goes back
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: to a constitutional... setup where the Constitution doesn't give members
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: of Congress the kind of authority over commerce that would
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: even allow for this kind of behavior to exist. And
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: so call it a blind spot or not, it's the
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: perversion of the Commerce Clause. Tom, we must run. My friend,
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: you be good, my brother.
• 51:22
  Speaker 29: Yeah, and I'll remember to wash my hands afterwards. God
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  Speaker 29: bless you, Joe, and I look forward to seeing you soon.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: 434-882- 4217. I have, I believe this is a clip
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: of Yovigny Vindman's campaign meeting where they discussed making this bill.
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  Speaker 12: You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers.
• 51:45
  Speaker 12: These are people of the land. The common clay of
• 51:50
  Speaker 12: the new west.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 7: Morons.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: That's what they think of you. They really do. You're
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: only useful so that they can collect enough chits. So
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: that's a thing you get. It tells you how much
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: you've won in a game. So that they can collect
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: the requisite numbers so they can go and sit by
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: this bag of authority. It's the perversion of the commerce clause.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: you stop that. You stop insider trading from Congress because
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: Congress has no more authority over what is done on
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: the town square. And the same thing for the media.
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: If the media profited by selling more ad space or newspapers,
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: they wouldn't worry about suckling to the politicians, but the
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: politicians make them more money. Until tomorrow, I am Joe Thomas.
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  Speaker 4: So long and thanks for all.
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