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Neil Lennon · Not Another Football Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the first episode of Not Another Football Podcast
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Speaker 1: with me, Simoned Only and Jack and we're delighted to
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Speaker 1: have as a very first guest from filling manager Celtic
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Speaker 1: legend you winning.
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Speaker 2: How you doing. I'm all the honored.
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Speaker 3: Pressure making my debut, brilliant pressure, all the pressures on YouTube.
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Speaker 2: That good.
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Speaker 4: So how things are very good?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, really busy.
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Speaker 3: Well, we've got into the nasal break now, so we've
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Speaker 3: got three or four of the players aware, but coming
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Speaker 3: back in the April were sort of Tuesday Saturday right
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Speaker 3: up until the end of April, so we're going, like
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Speaker 3: I mean there in the semi final couple, which is
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Speaker 3: a huge bonus for us. But you know, we're doing
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Speaker 3: okay in the playoffs as well. Everything the playoffs, so
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Speaker 3: it's really good. Got a good young squad, a bit
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Speaker 3: of talent in there, which we're really delighted about. And
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Speaker 3: you've been on a good run of red at the
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Speaker 3: right time, Simon. You so really pleased, I.
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Speaker 1: Think looking at them just talking about it before you
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Speaker 1: came and Abodeans obviously beating them in they run for
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Speaker 1: the Scottish Cup. Got to do these confidence for getting
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Speaker 1: into the playoffs as well. On your day, you can
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Speaker 1: probably beat any of these teams.
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Speaker 2: When we're good, we're very good.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been inconsistent, which is fine because it's a
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Speaker 3: relatively new team with like I said, a lot of
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Speaker 3: young players. But they're really sort of and they like
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Speaker 3: the big games. The founder feet but they like the
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Speaker 3: big games, you know. So they've handled the big occasions
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Speaker 3: quite well. They've found a bit of consistency in the
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Speaker 3: last sort of five to six weeks. But yeah, you know,
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Speaker 3: the semi final take care of itself. You know, it's
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Speaker 3: about the league really, and the championship is such an
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Speaker 3: unpredictable league. It's but like the one in England, just
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Speaker 3: can put a bet on because there's there's clubs are
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Speaker 3: going runs and then they lose maybe four five and
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Speaker 3: then we've been like that, and other teams around us
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Speaker 3: have been like that. Saint Johnson, you know, they are
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Speaker 3: the best team in the league with thissel are running
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Speaker 3: them quite.
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Speaker 2: Close now win last week for them.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if we could make the player also, it will
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Speaker 3: be a great season for us, you know. But we've
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Speaker 3: still got a bit of work today on that.
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Speaker 4: A couple of claus that you know about as well.
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Speaker 4: The Todd brothers.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and Kenny done well, Andrew young Andrew and well.
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Speaker 2: He's been a revelation.
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Speaker 3: John's been lucky John like, yeah, the two of them
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Speaker 3: have been Mary oric really coming into the team, and
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Speaker 3: then John got a bad injury.
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Speaker 2: He's kept them.
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Speaker 3: He's he's actually back tuning in there, so hopefully we'll
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Speaker 3: get him for the running.
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Speaker 2: And Andrew's been sensational.
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Speaker 5: So there going in there. Obviously, the expectation there this
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Speaker 5: season with the younger ones, it's it's maybe a growing one,
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Speaker 5: you know in terms of the expectation to win the
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Speaker 5: league or get promotion in your first season, but he
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Speaker 5: probably exceeded that. With the Scottish coupy as well.
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Speaker 3: You know, listen, there was no where we were thinking
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Speaker 3: about promotion, you know, considering where we would come in from.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it needed so.
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Speaker 3: Much work, not just like on the on the score,
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Speaker 3: but the whole club itself. Silty's everything, you know, the food,
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Speaker 3: the Dad entition, you know, sports since so that's all
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Speaker 3: really improved and the players of four of board into it.
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Speaker 2: We're having a really good season.
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Speaker 3: You know when we look at you know, some of
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Speaker 3: the other teams in the division, they've got experience to.
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Speaker 5: Me, you know, and the fan base on armor we've
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Speaker 5: we've all played for I've started there obviously my career,
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Speaker 5: but I thought it was even back then it was
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Speaker 5: a wee bit of expectation, which actually helped me when
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Speaker 5: I went to Celtic, you know, because in that league,
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Speaker 5: in the Championship when I moved, you know, playing just
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Speaker 5: under a hundred games then going, it helped me sit
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Speaker 5: on great grounding for you, good fan based and.
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Speaker 2: Awesimately really good.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we're getting maybe six seven thousand games, which
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Speaker 3: is brilliant when we've played the the two Premier League
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Speaker 3: clubs and the cup has been sold out.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: I don't know how many we're going to be taking
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Speaker 3: the Hamdon, but it'll be ten plus anyway, So it's
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Speaker 3: a real football and hotbed.
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Speaker 2: When you get a going, is it.
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Speaker 5: Re energized you? Yeah, I'm really I mean obviously a
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Speaker 5: tough time after the COVID stuff and everyone helped telling
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Speaker 5: me what that, but I agreed because we were talking
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Speaker 5: about earlier real like I've finished where we're management, you know,
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Speaker 5: for you to see, I mean a lot higher pressure
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Speaker 5: than we were under and a lot more scrutiny and
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Speaker 5: a lot more you know, nastiness around it. But for us,
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Speaker 5: I mean I'll watching games now, in some games I
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Speaker 5: don't like and find it hard and what a games
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Speaker 5: A lot of games it's.
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Speaker 2: I agree with you.
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Speaker 3: I think the standard over the bit as the regressed
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Speaker 3: the last four or five years.
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about the Premier League in England.
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Speaker 1: You see if you're you're from the same era as us,
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Speaker 1: playing wise, and I look at I look at it
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Speaker 1: now and very really I see a game that I enjoyed.
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Speaker 4: Although when we were.
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Speaker 1: Coaching at Dune United it was kind of leaning towards
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Speaker 1: a lottle bit of sports science, which I thought, I
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Speaker 1: wish I did this back in mad day. They talk
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Speaker 1: about all these marginal games these days, so set piece coaches,
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Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff.
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Speaker 4: Do you have that? Do you what's your thoughts on
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Speaker 4: that sort of stuff?
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Speaker 2: There's a balance, isn't there?
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Speaker 3: Sometimes these people overhead the coaches, look, there's structures at
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Speaker 3: a lot of clubs say where they basically lift the
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Speaker 3: head coach and put them in there and say, right,
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Speaker 3: you've got to work within this structure, and a lot
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Speaker 3: of head coaches will be happy. I want to do
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Speaker 3: math thing league and I've earned the right to deal
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Speaker 3: with them firmland.
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Speaker 2: We do have.
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Speaker 3: Sports sense, we do have you know, analysis, we do
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Speaker 3: have you know. But ultimately the decisions, the football decisions
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Speaker 3: come down to me and recruitment and that as well.
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Speaker 3: And that's the way I like it. It doesn't mean
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Speaker 3: I'm not averse to listening to other opinions or as
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Speaker 3: you know, we have staff meetings every morning.
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Speaker 2: You know, what can we do better? Blah blah blah.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean he said, piece coach.
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Speaker 5: You know, yeah, come on listen.
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Speaker 3: I know anyone can watch one hundred said players and go,
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Speaker 3: oh you can do that better.
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Speaker 2: You can do that better.
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Speaker 4: Anyone can do that, especially with the likes of Arsenal.
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Speaker 1: This year the focus has been on set plays, but
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Speaker 1: it's a good delivery and.
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Speaker 2: People who want to go and to tackle the ball.
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Speaker 1: I assume one at the weekend. I need to give
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Speaker 1: back that. John mcginns was a bit different.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but like any.
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Speaker 4: House, it was one that you can see that they
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Speaker 4: want any.
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Speaker 2: House good at them as well.
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Speaker 3: Newcastle are a bit like you know, imaginative sometimes but
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Speaker 3: you need the quality to do it in the first place,
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Speaker 3: you know, and I always go back to, you know,
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Speaker 3: talking to Martin Boudry goes, look, I know, you get
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Speaker 3: somebody who deliver a good ball and do good around.
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Speaker 3: You got to have people who want to go and
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Speaker 3: attack the ball. And that's what we were like could sell.
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Speaker 1: It back in your day as well. The player was
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Speaker 1: probably given a bit more responsibility as well. But when
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Speaker 1: three kicks, I remember John Collins practicing things and it
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Speaker 1: was almost if there was a free kick there, you
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Speaker 1: go and see what you can do with it. And
6:36
Speaker 1: they would practice little things themselves. So it was more
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Speaker 1: the players rather than.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes you know, you played the game, you play, you
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Speaker 3: take any contact with somebody and you.
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Speaker 2: Just you just do it. You do it, you do
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Speaker 2: it quickly.
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Speaker 3: Or I mean a lot of times I play hand
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Speaker 3: on and give it to Henry in the channel and
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Speaker 3: he would let somebody in, or you go and roll people.
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Speaker 3: You just play what you see a lot of it's
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Speaker 3: very methodical. And then I think that's where the games
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Speaker 3: going methodical and the text away the natural instincts the players,
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Speaker 3: and I think it also takes a whare the creativity
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Speaker 3: so much in Arsenal at the weekend the best team
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Speaker 3: in the league. You know they deserve to be where they are,
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Speaker 3: but they look really working on leg against City.
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Speaker 1: I've got avery point here that we put some me
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Speaker 1: bullet points down just to keep this going, hopefully so
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Speaker 1: the cherkey back will talk about it. So it came
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Speaker 1: in for a bit of stick after that showboating. Now
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Speaker 1: I'm not one for showboating as such. Absolutely it comes
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Speaker 1: to me. It takes three keep your pies, but I
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Speaker 1: think as well, and I didn't tackle. But my point
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Speaker 1: is I was sitting with my boy who's a Man
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Speaker 1: City supporter, and I said he's going to get smashed
7:45
Speaker 1: in a minute.
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Speaker 4: And he gets smashed off.
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Speaker 1: The boy, but move it forward back towards the end
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Speaker 1: of the game. Set it up to now and he
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Speaker 1: receives the ball inside the arsenal box and I it's
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Speaker 1: killer Fiory and Martin Ellie tracking him back and.
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Speaker 4: He's moving with the ball.
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Speaker 1: He's not standing in the corner which you see time
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Speaker 1: and time again with yours in front of it.
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Speaker 4: He's actually moving with the ball. And Gary Neville says.
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Speaker 3: He needs to be careful here, and I don't know,
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Speaker 3: I disagree with that, right because I thought that when
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Speaker 3: he was appliant and the ball it was brilliant, brilliant.
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Speaker 3: I didn't like the toll tapping thing because said anyone
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Speaker 3: can do that thirty ords of space. We all could
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Speaker 3: have done that, and it is a bit disrespectful, like
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And Tep did shake his head,
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Speaker 3: but the stuff he did at the end was Listen.
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Speaker 2: He's a fabulous player. He's the type of player that
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Speaker 2: you want to go and watch.
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Speaker 3: But twenty minutes to go on a cup final again,
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Speaker 3: Arsenal met le vague on your face sometimes you know
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Speaker 3: what I mean.
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Speaker 1: Might but I just feel it's still the mot now.
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Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about that Arsenal team. To see
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Speaker 1: something like at a bit different, yea, yeah, I did
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Speaker 1: that one one time.
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Speaker 3: They keep you ups but everybody it's that album wins
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Speaker 3: something and then you know what I mean. But I remember,
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Speaker 3: I remember, can't round with them. Ball didn't even he
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Speaker 3: was told tapping and that. But like you know, there
9:02
Speaker 3: was a time and a place for them, you know
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Speaker 3: what I mean. I didn't think it was the time.
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Speaker 3: But they enjoyed watching Churkey. I enjoy I thought that
9:09
Speaker 3: was good as well. Actually, people who want to take
9:11
Speaker 3: people on again, you know, giving it a bit of it.
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Speaker 3: It's funny the way he's going, pep like, he's going
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Speaker 3: like almost like a four to two four recently you know,
9:18
Speaker 3: with Semeno, Holland Cherokey and Dark it's really interesting and
9:22
Speaker 3: then the two boys in midfield.
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Speaker 2: But backfir On wee bit in Madrid.
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Speaker 3: But he's obviously looking at something that he needs to
9:29
Speaker 3: change because they haven't had the season that he probably wanted.
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Speaker 2: You didn't know that.
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Speaker 5: Listen.
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Speaker 1: Second half they really turned on brilliant. They were really
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Speaker 1: good against Atale past. I still think the league's there
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Speaker 1: for them. I've got the game in hand. They obviously
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Speaker 1: have Arsenal, we play time Hotel.
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Speaker 3: I think all you know, both England and Scotland are
9:50
Speaker 3: still for grabs.
9:52
Speaker 4: Which thoughts in Scotland then.
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Speaker 3: After the weekend, I think Hearts have been to be
9:58
Speaker 3: where the oars amazing. You know, maybe it's a I
10:03
Speaker 3: don't know, a black mark against the big two that
10:06
Speaker 3: normally dominated the scene. I think they've both been poor,
10:10
Speaker 3: you know, better than standards, particularly Celtic, but I still
10:13
Speaker 3: think it's so for grabs. You know, I think five
10:15
Speaker 3: points I remember two thousand and five with five clear
10:18
Speaker 3: going into the split and we lost there in the
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Speaker 3: last there so anything can happen, but celticly defend, you know,
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Speaker 3: there's no consistency, like you know.
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Speaker 2: So we can, we can.
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Speaker 5: I was actually at the game, but where did you go?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: I was was watching it, but the pictures had ended.
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Speaker 5: Has been the same for both teams. But I think
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Speaker 5: you play certain things like guess what we're talking about,
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Speaker 5: like understanding and seeing things how they are, you know,
10:45
Speaker 5: when playing in front of them, can we just turn them?
10:47
Speaker 5: I don't think they've got certain players to do that.
10:49
Speaker 5: And getting behind you know, you're actual everything has to
10:52
Speaker 5: be around them. He's not going to turn them. But
10:55
Speaker 5: again just the passes in in front of people rather
10:59
Speaker 5: than just turning one over the corner. And even the
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Speaker 5: second goal I think comes of Scales plays it and
11:04
Speaker 5: the boy who's facing them right on the touch line,
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Speaker 5: he plays it blind, you know, and they break away
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Speaker 5: and eventually leads to the goal. But rather than him
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Speaker 5: because he can he's got a better view just to
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Speaker 5: just to even click one, and because the pitch it.
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Speaker 2: Was conduci of the playing on kind of for isn't it.
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Speaker 5: You've got to you've got to adjust to get the
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Speaker 5: win and then if you get the goals, and then
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Speaker 5: then you can then try to be bits are important.
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Speaker 3: I think it's like I didn't see that coming, right,
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Speaker 3: So they're really going to, I mean silly, going to
11:36
Speaker 3: have to dig in Rangers. Rangers on Hords really are
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Speaker 3: really strong at home. Their weare forms a little bit iffy.
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Speaker 4: So I just thought, after after the Cup game and
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Speaker 4: last week the.
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Speaker 3: Mother will, you think we're going to kick on and
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Speaker 3: they've never kicked on all season.
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Speaker 4: But yours fall into that. It's Celtic.
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Speaker 2: They are going to go on a long Yeah, you
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Speaker 2: expect that because they've done it before.
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Speaker 1: After this sit back with the Hibs, you're thinking, is
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Speaker 1: that it going themselves back into it? And as you say,
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Speaker 1: you don't see the dunderdrated one coming, but it's one
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Speaker 1: of these games. After five minutes you're like, sometimes you
12:14
Speaker 1: can just tell that it's but.
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Speaker 3: They've been digging out results all season without playing well.
12:18
Speaker 3: But obviously they've they've lost that and then you know
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Speaker 3: they're going to have to They can't afford the thing
12:24
Speaker 3: they've got. Their advantage is they've got Rangers at home
12:26
Speaker 3: and Hearts. You know, Hearts have got a Derby away,
12:31
Speaker 3: so it's really on Hearts Lake. They put out big
12:34
Speaker 3: performances that they've never been there before. I think they've
12:36
Speaker 3: got the manager Hearts to do it. I think the
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Speaker 3: Ell League is you know, strong, and he's got longevity
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Speaker 3: and he's taking Hearts a long way. But whether the
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Speaker 3: players are good enough to do it, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: And then you can't write Rangers off father, you really
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Speaker 3: can't know.
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Speaker 4: It's going to be an interesting one.
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Speaker 5: Interesting in yourself linked to a sit down, M Yeah,
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Speaker 5: you've been straight and I just that's nice, very nice.
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Speaker 3: If I'm happy where I am at the minute, you know,
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Speaker 3: and I've got like we're in two competitions still and
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Speaker 3: that's great for us, you know, so I want to
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Speaker 3: see see things out, you know.
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Speaker 5: Really happy with the Premier League.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'll do it this year. Probably not
13:18
Speaker 3: it's a big hosp but we'll give it a go.
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Speaker 3: And then could we met the Cup final possibly, So
13:23
Speaker 3: there's a lot of player forms still, so you know,
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Speaker 3: that's I'm not going to be distracted by speculation. It's
13:28
Speaker 3: nice to be involved with that sort of conversation. Ultimately,
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Speaker 3: I don't want to be, you know, coaching in the
13:33
Speaker 3: Championship for too long. You don't want to be in
13:35
Speaker 3: the Premier League or maybe.
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Speaker 5: Maybe too out there as well. Yeah, after the first.
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Speaker 3: Season, it was after the cup finals, do you remember,
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Speaker 3: and Stubbs he won and then he went to rother
13:44
Speaker 3: them and then they came in. I made a good
13:46
Speaker 3: year and then we had a great year of the
13:47
Speaker 3: following year. I do think if I can get the
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Speaker 3: firm and up, we've got a good team to play
13:51
Speaker 3: in the Premier League because I.
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Speaker 2: Think they can handle it.
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Speaker 3: Different type of football, better pitches, you know, we say
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Speaker 3: better pictures, but I'm not.
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14:23
Speaker 1: Said yeah, all right, let's switch to play you switch
14:27
Speaker 1: at the Boie, I maybe put the bolly and talk
14:29
Speaker 1: about a couple of lot of things. Music, So big
14:33
Speaker 1: Oasis fan, massive best band your favorite.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean the biggest influence on me.
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Speaker 4: Back in the day.
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Speaker 3: I mean I grew up in I mean I was
14:44
Speaker 3: living in Manchester in the in the nineties of course,
14:47
Speaker 3: so you know, I moved to Manchester in eighty seven
14:50
Speaker 3: and I was there for a year and nine years said,
14:53
Speaker 3: so it was you know, you can imagine that was
14:55
Speaker 3: the whole start of the Manchester scene. And then you know,
14:58
Speaker 3: sort of races came out of the back of that
15:00
Speaker 3: almost see the Happy Mondays in Spiral Corpets and Charlotte
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Speaker 3: and Stone Roses and then we used to see We're
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Speaker 3: a little bit different from the rest. And the first
15:09
Speaker 3: time I saw him, I just thought, well, this.
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Speaker 2: Blew me away.
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Speaker 4: We wanted to see them in Manchester.
15:19
Speaker 5: What was it?
15:19
Speaker 2: Manchester?
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Speaker 3: It's a really good I saw them in Sheffield and
15:27
Speaker 3: then we went the same in the corn Exchange. Remember
15:29
Speaker 3: that was like maybe four or five years later when
15:32
Speaker 3: I saw him at me and Ruod in ninety six, right,
15:34
Speaker 3: and it was one of the best days of my life.
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Speaker 2: You know. We got promoted with.
15:38
Speaker 3: Leicester, so I'm in the Premier League and then you know,
15:42
Speaker 3: Steve Lomas was a good friend.
15:43
Speaker 2: The men he was a man city captain, so he.
15:44
Speaker 3: Got a great tickets for me and Rude and then
15:46
Speaker 3: I got backstage, got steam and got it chucked out
15:49
Speaker 3: for fat and lat nice, brilliant, brilliant. And then I've
15:54
Speaker 3: seen him about twelve or thirteen times. My son's named
15:57
Speaker 3: after him, you know Gallagher, you know, so that you've
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Speaker 3: met them a few times, met them obviously that time
16:06
Speaker 3: at me and Road and then them at the bar Lands.
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Speaker 1: The pane Lands gig was the one. It was that,
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Speaker 1: the one that was filmed that worked amazing.
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Speaker 3: It was Martin at that, you know, we had that
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Speaker 3: one and we remember like the backsta its just to
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Speaker 3: be curtain and then Toomis spilt a drink like over
16:19
Speaker 3: an old Gallagher againness kind again us and didn't mean
16:25
Speaker 3: it so and then Martin was like because whenever we
16:28
Speaker 3: were at Leicester. I remember a couple of times you
16:29
Speaker 3: went at Wembley and all the way back up from
16:31
Speaker 3: London to Leicester it was oasis. You know, there was
16:35
Speaker 3: just massive but it was doing like all the bands
16:38
Speaker 3: of the service. If it didn't say you know it
16:39
Speaker 3: didn't like them as well. And then I went to
16:41
Speaker 3: the the reunion at Edinburgh, and honestly, I was there
16:45
Speaker 3: said it was like being back at ninety. I got
16:47
Speaker 3: really emotionally, you know.
16:49
Speaker 1: That Tuesday night I was above you, so you better
16:51
Speaker 1: be William, weren't you a mutual friend? I was above
16:55
Speaker 1: you with the my season brother in lawnch sister and
16:58
Speaker 1: it was it was just.
17:00
Speaker 2: It was amazing.
17:02
Speaker 5: Dublin.
17:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, yeah, football's right.
17:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're supposed to just get replaced for Pulm stay.
17:10
Speaker 3: Well, it's a good, good substitution in that substitution one
17:13
Speaker 3: of my heroes and all. But no, they were to
17:16
Speaker 3: see them like twenty thirty years on and you know,
17:20
Speaker 3: they look great, They looked dead, mature, they weren't working
17:23
Speaker 3: about a yeah, a brilliant musician, great voice, and.
17:26
Speaker 2: I just loved it.
17:27
Speaker 3: And then you see everyone jumping up and down and
17:29
Speaker 3: it was like being back in may and Road in
17:31
Speaker 3: eighty six.
17:31
Speaker 2: You know, it was almost like booming.
17:34
Speaker 3: It was that good in the night, weather was amazing
17:37
Speaker 3: and they were just in great form and I just
17:40
Speaker 3: loved it. But yeah, they had a huge influence on
17:42
Speaker 3: my left. But the whole Manchester scene at the time.
17:45
Speaker 3: You know, I probably didn't even young enough to realize
17:48
Speaker 3: what was going on. It was just hanging around like
17:51
Speaker 3: people who went on to be famous like Sally Lindsay
17:54
Speaker 3: and Craig Cash and all these guys a little big
17:56
Speaker 3: city fans at the.
17:57
Speaker 2: Time, and then went on the really good careers.
18:01
Speaker 3: As celebrities, you know, and then coming up here of
18:04
Speaker 3: good friends with Bobby Bluebell from the Blue you know,
18:06
Speaker 3: Johnny McElhone, the Texas got to see them.
18:10
Speaker 2: You know.
18:10
Speaker 3: I love the Scottish bands. I was taking Blue in November.
18:13
Speaker 3: I thought they were amazing. So yeah, music's yeah, I
18:16
Speaker 3: love my music, you know, but I love my Year
18:18
Speaker 3: and the New Year type of stuff. There's nothing really jumping.
18:21
Speaker 2: Out with these days.
18:22
Speaker 5: The young the young ones think the Oasis is there either,
18:24
Speaker 5: didn't they Your kids does now?
18:28
Speaker 3: Yeah? Our granddads just like it stairs and we're like no, no, no, no,
18:31
Speaker 3: that's that's oursday.
18:33
Speaker 2: Yeah.
18:34
Speaker 5: It was a bit like maybe Bruce Springsteen, oh man,
18:37
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, I'm going to watch The Boss. Yeah,
18:39
Speaker 5: but that was obviously my dad's influence influencing.
18:43
Speaker 3: But I think the I think the Mayst Gallas is
18:46
Speaker 3: as well, you know that they ever gallous did like
18:48
Speaker 3: when they're being interviewing back in the day, I thought all.
18:51
Speaker 1: A talking about it, there was, so I've never met them.
18:56
Speaker 1: I went down to Newcastle. It was a night Newcastle
19:00
Speaker 1: drew the Barcelona three each. Yes, so I went down
19:03
Speaker 1: by a mate after training. Somebody sorted at the tickets,
19:07
Speaker 1: as it always seemed to be the case, and it
19:09
Speaker 1: was Bonehead I met.
19:11
Speaker 4: So it was backstage.
19:12
Speaker 1: It was there was a guy walking about, swimming about,
19:14
Speaker 1: thinking the Wisliam Gallagher, but it Wassney Lilliam Gallagher.
19:16
Speaker 4: So I've met Bonehead.
19:19
Speaker 1: I hadn't met the other two, right, So then that's
19:22
Speaker 1: character that contacts me one time.
19:23
Speaker 4: He says, listen, Oasis.
19:26
Speaker 1: Are playing in the Edinburgh it's a really intimate gig.
19:29
Speaker 1: I think we're going to meet them. They just get
19:31
Speaker 1: through and I'm like you sure. Because at the time
19:34
Speaker 1: I had a good connection at Creation Records. That was
19:37
Speaker 1: that it was a boy Paul Quinn. It was a
19:39
Speaker 1: drummon Tines his fan club. So I would get him
19:42
Speaker 1: tickets for Celtic and he would sort me out vice versa.
19:44
Speaker 1: So it was a good understanding. Anyway, he's he's said
19:49
Speaker 1: there's an intimate gig Edinburgh, Edinburgh for Oasis, So right, okay,
19:55
Speaker 1: with my head in it, that's a bit brilliant.
19:57
Speaker 4: Get to meet the band. It was no Oasis tribute
20:01
Speaker 4: band told her that I literally walked into the place.
20:06
Speaker 2: Were they any good there?
20:07
Speaker 4: Actually there? Actually?
20:08
Speaker 5: Right? But how we're going to get in this one?
20:12
Speaker 5: I just told the wives were a private gig. We
20:14
Speaker 5: told everybody so the big massive cowboard cutouts and I've
20:23
Speaker 5: signed it to Jack and said or the best.
20:26
Speaker 2: No you think the signature.
20:28
Speaker 5: I took her back to the wife, I said, you
20:30
Speaker 5: give us this cowboard put back to his.
20:35
Speaker 3: Private gug wunder the down on you was a tribute as.
20:39
Speaker 4: Soon as I walked on the door, and I thought
20:41
Speaker 4: it was racist, tried it.
20:42
Speaker 5: Right in the door and give you guys. We're on
20:45
Speaker 5: the tour bus after No.
20:47
Speaker 2: Oasis probably are probably make the fortune.
20:50
Speaker 5: Again the tour bus after it was a good night.
20:53
Speaker 4: I've never met him, I would like to.
20:55
Speaker 2: I can't believe it's small.
20:57
Speaker 3: I was quite surprised, you know, when you're first see
20:59
Speaker 3: him four grass and tell they're going to be big yeahs,
21:02
Speaker 3: but they were they were quite small and sleep so
21:05
Speaker 3: but I've only got a handshake and a quick conversation
21:08
Speaker 3: and that, and when I saw them in Glasgow. No
21:10
Speaker 3: Gallagher said that no thightting in it because he remembered
21:13
Speaker 3: me getting kicked out the last time.
21:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, so embarrassed, and.
21:19
Speaker 4: I meant, no, the tenants in the.
21:22
Speaker 1: Park sweet Sweet again another one, so you get left
21:28
Speaker 1: out again?
21:30
Speaker 4: So Stone Roses.
21:35
Speaker 5: The park up and per Stone Roses getting back? Why
21:40
Speaker 5: not did I wasn't near really any Stone Roses.
21:45
Speaker 4: You want to go back to stage? I said, no,
21:47
Speaker 4: I want to staying there.
21:48
Speaker 5: You go Smart the VIP but so Smarty Smart and
21:51
Speaker 5: he's like, you want to go back?
21:53
Speaker 4: He went back to him because he went hissel down.
21:59
Speaker 2: You're talking to you.
22:00
Speaker 5: I was starting next to know at the side of
22:02
Speaker 5: the stage when they were on, so they're all the
22:04
Speaker 5: other side of the stage. I'm like, they're watching all
22:07
Speaker 5: the crowd and it was made of stone song when
22:10
Speaker 5: I didn't know the words and I'm singing along. I
22:13
Speaker 5: was going to bucket for the post. No Gallicer next
22:20
Speaker 5: gone Smart one side and I was saying it must
22:23
Speaker 5: have been as cause of Umer Smart.
22:26
Speaker 3: He's got somebody with firm as well m Ress. So
22:31
Speaker 3: because he was at one of the grounds. It was
22:33
Speaker 3: one of the games about a couple of months ago.
22:36
Speaker 2: It still looks great, looks cool.
22:37
Speaker 5: Don't He used to used to do stuff. It was him,
22:43
Speaker 5: got his like backstage, and she said no, I was
22:46
Speaker 5: just standing there hersell But he was sitting on the
22:49
Speaker 5: estern weather side of the or the crowd, and I'm
22:51
Speaker 5: standing out the side watching them singing.
22:54
Speaker 3: I'm going to tear the pork once toy Paul Weller
22:57
Speaker 3: was on one of them, see Paul Weller. So I
22:59
Speaker 3: was over up was pre seasonal, a time of year
23:01
Speaker 3: it's like July, and when the team the parks on,
23:04
Speaker 3: I wasn't drinking me and remember Tommy Jordan, he's at
23:07
Speaker 3: Villain I me and Tommy. So by the time I
23:10
Speaker 3: walked from the car park up to the vi p Bit,
23:13
Speaker 3: I got into four feats well like you know people, Yeah,
23:18
Speaker 3: just having a go, and I'm even at the hot
23:20
Speaker 3: dog standing guy walks past me throm me on on.
23:23
Speaker 2: The shoulder and I just thought.
23:25
Speaker 3: So I went up to the vip bit, had a
23:26
Speaker 3: beer with remember Trevor Nelson DJ. They're talking about Arsenal
23:30
Speaker 3: and that I thought, I'm not even going to go
23:32
Speaker 3: out there again. Lasted about two hours and thought never again,
23:35
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean.
23:37
Speaker 4: Nemor so that that was my chance to meet.
23:39
Speaker 5: No, you didn't know, didn' they come knows He's been
23:44
Speaker 5: corrected me with the words for the song. He used
23:46
Speaker 5: to come to the games, didn't he remember the Maybe
23:49
Speaker 5: he came to your game in Martin the Caffe. He
23:53
Speaker 5: got a top signed, He signed a top and he
23:55
Speaker 5: said he knew I liked the way. He's just know
23:58
Speaker 5: that issues if you win that the league or whatever
24:00
Speaker 5: it was, Algary Top or something you knew I was
24:03
Speaker 5: watching it. I never got it. We did.
24:07
Speaker 2: Mess still give all from it. You never know.
24:10
Speaker 4: Maybe bost of them have been definitely have.
24:15
Speaker 2: Like that. The bars was great, remember.
24:19
Speaker 4: Seeing that on the TV? And Weaver ships in the night.
24:23
Speaker 4: You came what about a year after me.
24:25
Speaker 2: I came in two Thursy. At the end of two
24:26
Speaker 2: thurs I.
24:27
Speaker 5: Was a being. Remember did you go cheff.
24:29
Speaker 1: Wed then cheff red and woking back and going I
24:31
Speaker 1: wish I was up at that gig. And the first
24:34
Speaker 1: time I met you was Tommy Johnson's wedding and the castle.
24:41
Speaker 1: You came in with the peroxide blonde hair, old.
24:44
Speaker 2: Rock on the look. Yeah, trying to keep in conspicuous.
24:51
Speaker 5: Tommy, Tommy has got a lot of answer for And
24:53
Speaker 5: as you said, that lovely guitar, said, you.
24:55
Speaker 4: See, I've noticed that.
24:58
Speaker 5: I was. I was trying to remember I you were
25:00
Speaker 5: at it and could you play? No?
25:02
Speaker 4: But can you no?
25:05
Speaker 2: I tried to learn and I couldn't do it.
25:06
Speaker 5: But the story with that I was at that function,
25:11
Speaker 5: Tommy's charity, Tommy Johnson's charity thing. It was for Guatemala,
25:16
Speaker 5: being at it. I was there that night and double no,
25:18
Speaker 5: you want to but a phone thankfully, thankfully phone the
25:21
Speaker 5: auction stuff and a phone down. I was like, said
25:25
Speaker 5: this guitar here is a topper it signed. But all
25:29
Speaker 5: the Chelsea players that are in the cup final, the
25:32
Speaker 5: Champions League finals, if they win that, that'll be worth
25:34
Speaker 5: a fortune. And I said, you are going for it.
25:38
Speaker 5: I don't know whatever. It was steaming and I woke
25:44
Speaker 5: up in the morning and my tuxedo was the side
25:47
Speaker 5: of my bed and it was a guitar side of
25:49
Speaker 5: my bed for.
25:50
Speaker 2: Fox sake, So mostly the perfect.
25:54
Speaker 5: Three and a half grinds. I didn't know until to
25:58
Speaker 5: get you.
25:58
Speaker 2: In for fifty percent arrestment, it would be fair.
26:04
Speaker 5: John Terry John Terry had me slipped and the post
26:08
Speaker 5: worth a few more. I got my money, but but
26:11
Speaker 5: I blame the Jody for that, taking his hair and
26:14
Speaker 5: phone as we drink. It's quite day, so it's a
26:17
Speaker 5: It's a lovely.
26:18
Speaker 2: Cast that's about twenty years old.
26:20
Speaker 5: In two thousand and eight it was the stunder Right,
26:23
Speaker 5: Be strong, and I'll try to look at all the names,
26:26
Speaker 5: and he's got the numbers and what I own it
26:28
Speaker 5: John Terry there, I should put all the apostryphe next
26:31
Speaker 5: to that. Frank both a Chelsea Farm want a bit
26:37
Speaker 5: of the toy your money, but I plug it, said
26:41
Speaker 5: go get the get make.
26:43
Speaker 2: Sure it works, said.
26:46
Speaker 5: Errand was playing it. Let her use it then become anonymously.
26:51
Speaker 3: Also one of the biggest regret. We're a piano in
26:54
Speaker 3: our house for thirteen years and never looked at it.
26:56
Speaker 3: I just want to be playing football. And then I
26:59
Speaker 3: try the saxophone.
27:01
Speaker 2: I tried the.
27:01
Speaker 5: Guitar the kids brought me a UK a couple of
27:05
Speaker 5: years ago. My fingers were too big.
27:10
Speaker 2: George form me there windows.
27:15
Speaker 1: I think, yeah at the we stage with the guitar,
27:18
Speaker 1: but I think big Brian new actually got me a
27:21
Speaker 1: a teacher that come up to the house when you're
27:24
Speaker 1: getting lessons in.
27:24
Speaker 4: My oas stage.
27:25
Speaker 1: But I would just get frustrated that I couldn't placed
27:28
Speaker 1: it away. Never kind of much like your piano just
27:31
Speaker 1: sat in the corner.
27:33
Speaker 3: My sister's all player, like I never did, like my mum,
27:35
Speaker 3: and she had a bit of going on. And as
27:37
Speaker 3: one of the biggest regrets because I remember, you know
27:40
Speaker 3: Mark Robins, you know Rubble, he's manager Stoked now he
27:43
Speaker 3: was a comedy and that great Laddy's plain and tamer.
27:46
Speaker 2: The men at Leicester.
27:47
Speaker 3: I remember going out one night there was a piano
27:49
Speaker 3: there feel the lads and Rubble just sits down and
27:51
Speaker 3: starts playing a few tunes and like just everyone's sort
27:54
Speaker 3: of gravity.
27:55
Speaker 2: It's like it's brilliant. It's just really good fun.
27:57
Speaker 1: Like you know, let's go back to a little bit
27:59
Speaker 1: of football in which your favorite player of all time?
28:03
Speaker 2: Oh, great question, growing up with Kenny King.
28:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just like when I'm playing out in
28:13
Speaker 3: the streets and one of the Bichini you know, I
28:14
Speaker 3: love that. Obviously it was a Celtic And then you
28:18
Speaker 3: know when when you were growing up, no that you
28:22
Speaker 3: never got like the games through the games and that,
28:24
Speaker 3: so the only football you ever got was match of
28:26
Speaker 3: the day of the lave European games, you know, so
28:29
Speaker 3: you know that Liverpool team like you saw a lot,
28:32
Speaker 3: and then see Celtics sometimes on a on the back
28:36
Speaker 3: end of match.
28:36
Speaker 2: Of their headlights and stuff like that. But Kenny would
28:39
Speaker 2: have been my hero growing up. And then like you know, I.
28:42
Speaker 4: Think message the best player of old time.
28:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean everyone will have their own, like it's
28:48
Speaker 3: not set and Stunt said, all great players will play
28:52
Speaker 3: for me in any era, do you know what I mean.
28:54
Speaker 3: It's just whenever I watched him, like you know, you
28:56
Speaker 3: couldn't take your raise off him. You know, I just
28:58
Speaker 3: thought he was as we're raising and just so good
29:02
Speaker 3: to perch like from the streets.
29:03
Speaker 2: You know, he just made the game look easy at
29:05
Speaker 2: the highest.
29:06
Speaker 4: Levels you're making time.
29:08
Speaker 3: Just the quality, you know, quality and speed and I
29:12
Speaker 3: just love watching them play. But there were so many,
29:14
Speaker 3: like you know, it was we were looking at a
29:17
Speaker 3: guy did it one hundreds greatest players of all time
29:19
Speaker 3: and it was a great list. You'd mess you at
29:22
Speaker 3: the top. And then he had Pelly and Back and
29:25
Speaker 3: Bar and all these you know, great players. When you
29:28
Speaker 3: think about all the players that you've watched over the years.
29:31
Speaker 3: You know, the players you played against as well. Ronald
29:33
Speaker 3: and you just play against him playing in the Premier League,
29:37
Speaker 3: gain Bird Camp and Honoree and the Ear and all
29:40
Speaker 3: these your Keynes and Gigs and all these lotly.
29:43
Speaker 4: I just think that as well.
29:44
Speaker 1: Just you're talking about the so the Premiership that you
29:47
Speaker 1: played in, it was magic, that was like brilliant.
29:50
Speaker 4: You think back to the Stakers as well, so many
29:53
Speaker 4: years on tearing.
29:53
Speaker 3: And sixty goals, you know you can get here. Hardy
29:55
Speaker 3: Kane probably would have probably would have beat it, right,
29:59
Speaker 3: But the next one's like one hundred. You're talking about
30:01
Speaker 3: Eddie Goulds behind and I think he had injuries as well,
30:04
Speaker 3: he said, you know he missed the season with Cruise.
30:06
Speaker 4: And that the quality though as well.
30:07
Speaker 1: You could identify a lot of teams by the number nines.
30:17
Speaker 1: Now there's not so much of that. That's obviously a
30:19
Speaker 1: lot of teams play one not top.
30:21
Speaker 2: I hear it. You know, I love Holland. I love
30:24
Speaker 2: Holland right because he's a proper bony ferry center.
30:27
Speaker 3: If it just wants to score goals, you know, you're
30:29
Speaker 3: levendowskis that these type Harry Keanes and they're the ones
30:33
Speaker 3: that always made the difference, Henrik, so you know, out
30:36
Speaker 3: of nothing as well.
30:38
Speaker 2: And they were preciless, you know, and you couldn't coach them.
30:40
Speaker 2: That's the beauty of it.
30:41
Speaker 3: But what's going out of the game is people who
30:43
Speaker 3: can hit the ball proficiently as well.
30:45
Speaker 2: You know that we're a kid that had done firmly.
30:48
Speaker 2: Barniey Stewart's going back.
30:49
Speaker 3: To fall Kirk now and he's a standout because he's
30:53
Speaker 3: absolutely brilliant in the air, getting on the end of
30:55
Speaker 3: crosses and stuff like that.
30:57
Speaker 2: And I said that, you know, you're very rarely seeking.
31:01
Speaker 5: In the academy probably to heah, you know, and.
31:05
Speaker 2: It's a knack that stand out and I used to
31:08
Speaker 2: it was one thing I could never do. That was
31:10
Speaker 2: a great leg. Admired of these guys.
31:12
Speaker 3: He could hit the ball and I played with some
31:14
Speaker 3: crackers John soti emil Heski.
31:17
Speaker 2: You know, Henry Kennrick.
31:19
Speaker 3: Was amazing because he was like that, but his hangtimes
31:22
Speaker 3: on the power he generated as well.
31:24
Speaker 1: I've reluctant to put the ball in the box as well. Yeah,
31:26
Speaker 1: you get anywhere else do you get? You get to
31:29
Speaker 1: that stage just deliver it and they want to come
31:31
Speaker 1: back out.
31:32
Speaker 3: I mean, as you go back there that year is said,
31:35
Speaker 3: you don't know Ferguson, Alan sheer Les, Ferdinand Terry Shannhan.
31:40
Speaker 3: You know players Cool and York could have both hit
31:42
Speaker 3: it as well. Fouler could hit it, you know for
31:44
Speaker 3: a little gay. He could get up and put and
31:46
Speaker 3: it was just brilliant to watch. But in the box
31:48
Speaker 3: of a dynamite leg you know, he can't take it out,
31:50
Speaker 3: may even make alone. He was pretty special with your team.
31:52
Speaker 3: I remember playing against him, you know, off five ten
31:56
Speaker 3: yards he was electric, absolutely electric. Yeah, so yeah, I
32:03
Speaker 3: don't know, like I'm really happy they've played in the
32:06
Speaker 3: year I played them. You don't want to see football now,
32:09
Speaker 3: you know, the late night these early two thousands in
32:11
Speaker 3: the Premier League and then the great time I had
32:13
Speaker 3: it sot like, you know, it was really really lucky.
32:15
Speaker 3: For ten years they have all those great experiences and
32:18
Speaker 3: the quality of games, the quality of player. I do
32:21
Speaker 3: think the Barcelona team in twenty eleven is the best
32:25
Speaker 3: team club team ever saw though when they beat Manionated
32:29
Speaker 3: three one at Wembley. You know, when Manionated were good,
32:33
Speaker 3: like top top team but they'd like schooled them, you know,
32:36
Speaker 3: and Fergie of all people, just didn't have the answers.
32:39
Speaker 2: They were bay Fo you know, well.
32:41
Speaker 3: Not bay for but one of the greatest club side
32:43
Speaker 3: I've ever seen, like, you know, just the football, the
32:46
Speaker 3: players was brilliant to watch.
32:48
Speaker 2: You know, I'm ruthless with it as well.
32:50
Speaker 5: It's funny and even the systems. Now it looks like
32:52
Speaker 5: the four four to two is coming back.
32:55
Speaker 2: But they all do. Why don't they mean, they just
32:57
Speaker 2: go full circle.
32:57
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people who are fed up
32:59
Speaker 5: with the goal he's in the ball, goalies punching the
33:03
Speaker 5: ball or getting back to the goalie or the center
33:05
Speaker 5: halves in the ball. I just imagine our era, you know,
33:08
Speaker 5: like Martin.
33:10
Speaker 2: But we all would have been gotten it on like god.
33:12
Speaker 3: They you know, I hate the goalkeepers the last person
33:15
Speaker 3: wanting the balls with goalie, but a lot of coaches
33:17
Speaker 3: like it because you know, sucks out the opposition and at.
33:20
Speaker 5: A level, at that level they're talking about is different.
33:24
Speaker 3: You know, some of the goalies are really proficient with
33:26
Speaker 3: the ball defeat, like you know, Rayah and Manuel Noyer
33:29
Speaker 3: and at least ten what do you call the boy
33:31
Speaker 3: Barcelona the German Gay he's really good as well, but
33:34
Speaker 3: ultimately one of the next sears. You know, people said
33:37
Speaker 3: Kurtz was not the best, but he's brilliant shot stopper.
33:40
Speaker 2: He wins your games. You know, we had that with
33:42
Speaker 2: three as a foster. He goes and brilliant with the balls.
33:44
Speaker 5: Brilliant then against Man City.
33:49
Speaker 3: And they even in the second game, the quality of
33:51
Speaker 3: football was fantastic.
33:53
Speaker 4: It plays it as well, didn't they plays? Because I fancied.
33:56
Speaker 2: City Barbie in the Beellium and they're still, wasn't it?
34:00
Speaker 3: They was awesome, awesome, awesome three finishes with different class,
34:06
Speaker 3: aren't they?
34:07
Speaker 2: And he can run hymns to that they can strike
34:10
Speaker 2: a ball. But that's just the quality thing.
34:12
Speaker 1: I mean that might be highlights for the English Premiership
34:17
Speaker 1: is just now the likes of Adel Madrid team missing Bellingham.
34:22
Speaker 1: I look at the likes of Paris and pass and
34:26
Speaker 1: they just they get something more about them than English teams.
34:29
Speaker 2: The far more entertainer for a start.
34:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, they want to go forward way, they.
34:33
Speaker 2: Got speed on the break.
34:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, technically good decision making.
34:37
Speaker 2: The quality to watch was the slot said it the
34:41
Speaker 2: other week.
34:41
Speaker 3: He doesn't enjoy the games you know, maybe the three
34:44
Speaker 3: or four years ago, because it's become a bit more physical.
34:47
Speaker 3: I think they over coach, said the hilly truth. I
34:49
Speaker 3: think the one of the players over coached.
34:51
Speaker 4: And fear to give the ball away.
34:53
Speaker 3: Well not just that, like you know, they don't look
34:56
Speaker 3: for it anymore. You know, they'll take risks with the ball. Yeah,
34:59
Speaker 3: that's that the final Maybe maybe they're more obsessed about
35:03
Speaker 3: their own starts and that, you know, keeping the ball.
35:04
Speaker 2: But you know, like it was a good it's not
35:07
Speaker 2: about the short.
35:08
Speaker 3: Pass of it's the long pass. It's about the red pass.
35:11
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of them are ingrained just
35:13
Speaker 3: the yeah, yeah, you haven't see dribblers anymore either, you know,
35:19
Speaker 3: people getting rid. Yeah, so it goes full circle, toy
35:25
Speaker 3: like we played three five two for years, didn't and
35:27
Speaker 3: then it went out and then can't they brought it
35:28
Speaker 3: back a bit and then I see a lot of
35:29
Speaker 3: teams playing with back three whether three four three or
35:32
Speaker 3: three five two, you know, and four four two inevitably
35:36
Speaker 3: will come back again, like you know, because you've got
35:39
Speaker 3: to find a way winning games of football legue, you
35:41
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
35:42
Speaker 2: It's interesting, Like it's good to see even.
35:44
Speaker 5: The younger one, the younger generation being taught how to
35:47
Speaker 5: head the ball, you know, because the no for me
35:50
Speaker 5: dealing with crosses, stopping crosses. You know, even back then,
35:53
Speaker 5: you see it now, you know, growing up if somebody
35:57
Speaker 5: put across and you get absolutely slaughtered for us stopping it,
36:02
Speaker 5: I don't. They don't do enough to block the crosses
36:05
Speaker 5: to stop it to and then when it does come
36:07
Speaker 5: in to be in the right position, you know, defensively
36:11
Speaker 5: to deal with the deal with across.
36:13
Speaker 3: You're talking about the basic fundamentals of defending, which is gone.
36:16
Speaker 5: But they think that the basics fundamental defending now is
36:19
Speaker 5: to get from the back, pass the back and take
36:22
Speaker 5: responsibility and looking great on the ball rather than win
36:25
Speaker 5: your battles.
36:26
Speaker 3: And this has been like it's been creeping into the
36:29
Speaker 3: game for a while. But if you look at Lake,
36:32
Speaker 3: so Newcastle got hammered, Chelsea got hammered, somebody else, Spurs
36:38
Speaker 3: got conceded seven. So these are primary league teams here
36:41
Speaker 3: in the Champions League getting hammered over two legs.
36:44
Speaker 5: It won't happened. The Chelsea one with the he's put
36:47
Speaker 5: the note to the boy.
36:49
Speaker 2: Hel's symptomatic of the you know, the modern day coach
36:52
Speaker 2: as well. Seven set down your passing notes a.
36:56
Speaker 5: Few minutes to go and then it has them when
36:58
Speaker 5: they we circle to respect the ball.
37:03
Speaker 3: I'm not going I'm not going to criticize all the
37:05
Speaker 3: managers to have, but this is like the modern day manager.
37:08
Speaker 3: There's a lot of networking going on without any real
37:12
Speaker 3: substance to what they do, and they get jobs.
37:15
Speaker 2: Eventually they get found out that. You know, whether I.
37:17
Speaker 3: Think our kids are good coach or not, the proof
37:20
Speaker 3: will being the pudding. But the way he's coming across,
37:22
Speaker 3: you know, he's not geting himself any fevers at the minute.
37:25
Speaker 2: Sorry, like having this great profile in.
37:26
Speaker 3: That he needs some pr some ones well, his record
37:31
Speaker 3: actually in the Premier League is not too bad. But
37:33
Speaker 3: the stuff he's coming out with toy at the end
37:36
Speaker 3: of it, you know, just you don't have to explain everything,
37:38
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, And maybe that'll come with experience.
37:41
Speaker 2: I don't know.
37:41
Speaker 1: I don't really like this great carry regrets if you
37:43
Speaker 1: get any regrets from your playing days.
37:46
Speaker 2: We all do, don't.
37:46
Speaker 3: We got a couple first time at Wembley was recruiting
37:51
Speaker 3: the playoff final and just so late inexperienced said looking
37:57
Speaker 3: forward to Wembley, didn't think about game, just the whole occasion,
38:01
Speaker 3: and then when the game actually came, the reality was.
38:04
Speaker 3: I played Crop, you know, and I thought, if I
38:06
Speaker 3: ever get back, Yeah, if I ever get back, you know,
38:10
Speaker 3: said of my players.
38:10
Speaker 2: Now you know you got a chance to keep playing
38:12
Speaker 2: at Hamdon.
38:13
Speaker 3: Don't play the occasion, play the game, you know, try
38:16
Speaker 3: to keep all the other stuff out, because I learned
38:19
Speaker 3: we got beat on penalties, but I didn't play well.
38:21
Speaker 3: And then next time he went back was the playoff
38:24
Speaker 3: for Less. Then it was twenty one, you know, and
38:28
Speaker 3: then well Leicester was twenty four and had a really
38:30
Speaker 3: good game.
38:30
Speaker 2: We got promoted.
38:31
Speaker 3: So that was that was good, lucky that I got
38:33
Speaker 3: the opportunity to go back again. Seville Seville's you know.
38:38
Speaker 3: I had a League Cup against Tottenham we lost in
38:40
Speaker 3: the last minute.
38:41
Speaker 2: In eighty nine.
38:42
Speaker 3: So there's a few, yeah, but not many I've been
38:47
Speaker 3: you know. Fortunately, you know what I got really fed
38:50
Speaker 3: a crew off to the injury. In my career just
38:53
Speaker 3: kept going that way, you know. But I'm really like
38:55
Speaker 3: I played League two, League One, Championship, Premier League and
38:58
Speaker 3: then up here in Scotland, so I've had a lot
39:00
Speaker 3: of variations on the game, and I came from nothing
39:03
Speaker 3: and worked my way up. Some people say, you know,
39:05
Speaker 3: and they think, oh, you've had it your you know,
39:07
Speaker 3: you've been at solid all your life. Well I was
39:09
Speaker 3: twenty nine. Will come to Celtic like, you know, you've
39:11
Speaker 3: done the same. You boys did the same. You know,
39:13
Speaker 3: you know you've got well grinded and then you appreciated
39:16
Speaker 3: what you had.
39:17
Speaker 2: But regrets. Yeah, it's just some games that got away you.
39:20
Speaker 1: It's avill win that team in the Champions League. A
39:25
Speaker 1: couple of years as well, there was a little results here.
39:27
Speaker 1: Remember the Bayern Munich when I think it was a Leon.
39:31
Speaker 2: Leon Munich, that team when when you can you were
39:34
Speaker 2: actually better. The year after I think you can.
39:37
Speaker 4: Wind the Champions League be falling year, don't they? They
39:40
Speaker 4: won it?
39:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got player the year that year, didn't they?
39:44
Speaker 3: So the year after Seville, right, we drew now a
39:47
Speaker 3: little bit them Firman Open Game of the season and
39:49
Speaker 3: then we won the next one the next twenty six Right,
39:53
Speaker 3: we got seven of your points in the group we're
39:56
Speaker 3: in with and a leg Bar Munich and Leo and
39:59
Speaker 3: we should have them through the group, you know, because
40:01
Speaker 3: we were got real associated in the last sixteen and
40:04
Speaker 3: we would have fancied that get.
40:05
Speaker 4: To that knockout stage when you've got the likes of Henrick.
40:07
Speaker 3: And we were three and then we give a penalty
40:13
Speaker 3: in the last couple of minutes and Leon who were
40:15
Speaker 3: a good team better you know, Giugenio or Geno and yeah,
40:21
Speaker 3: in the penalty at the end, you know, so, yeah,
40:24
Speaker 3: we let ourselves down a wee bit there that we
40:26
Speaker 3: should have come out of that. And then, as you said,
40:28
Speaker 3: the knockouts, you just never know.
40:30
Speaker 2: You never know.
40:31
Speaker 3: In the end, we don't the quality and that team
40:33
Speaker 3: in the end we would be Barcelona, didn't it. And
40:37
Speaker 3: then villary Alanna said they were good, said and we're
40:42
Speaker 3: just a little bit short of being a real top
40:45
Speaker 3: European team. We're top British team, like the top European
40:49
Speaker 3: just a little bit. Weren't million miles away from Portal.
40:52
Speaker 3: I thought, like second half in Portal, we were getting
40:54
Speaker 3: on top. We got the two two. I thought, we've
40:57
Speaker 3: got them here and then the red card changed the
40:59
Speaker 3: game again. But there was nothing happening to he was there,
41:02
Speaker 3: you know, up until the goal. You know, we're so comfortable. Yeah,
41:05
Speaker 3: you know in the time I still thought that.
41:09
Speaker 5: I thought, what'st case, it would be penalties, you know,
41:12
Speaker 5: but the sending off killed is that killed it?
41:16
Speaker 2: But the referee was shocking. Referee was really poor. He
41:18
Speaker 2: was really weak because we should have a free kick.
41:20
Speaker 3: Hendrick should have got a free kick edge of the
41:23
Speaker 3: box before Bubble got sand It was clear care Valley
41:26
Speaker 3: was all over and brought him down. But we've played
41:28
Speaker 3: on their break, their leg gets ahead of Bubo, Buble
41:31
Speaker 3: takes them out and it was the second yellow.
41:33
Speaker 2: But I thought the referee was really poor, isn't it.
41:35
Speaker 5: I've never watched it back.
41:37
Speaker 4: It was a bit to say you remember so much
41:38
Speaker 4: that I was about to ask if you.
41:40
Speaker 3: I've never watched it, but you remember. But yeah, you
41:42
Speaker 3: do all the big games. But you know, it's like said, the.
41:46
Speaker 2: Ones you lose, the ones you try and eradicate very quickly.
41:49
Speaker 1: Maybe the shame of the a few games and thunder
41:52
Speaker 1: neated the Cup final. Whenever watched it until lockdown, h
41:56
Speaker 1: St Johnson.
41:58
Speaker 2: That was the subtly park on it.
42:00
Speaker 3: But you gotta be right, so well, I look at
42:03
Speaker 3: it now, I look at all these great managers over
42:05
Speaker 3: the years, and I look at all these great players
42:08
Speaker 3: and that they.
42:09
Speaker 2: Do win things tyme, but they do lose things as well.
42:12
Speaker 3: Think Fergie lost Champions League finals PEP, PEP took Pep.
42:16
Speaker 2: Maybe was it seven eight years to get back to.
42:19
Speaker 3: The final after the Barcelona you know, and the semi finals,
42:23
Speaker 3: you know, losing Fergie lost the league on the last
42:25
Speaker 3: day of the season. Clubs lost European finals. So but
42:29
Speaker 3: you got to go back again. You know, I know
42:31
Speaker 3: what hurts like and I've lost semi finals and finals
42:34
Speaker 3: and that.
42:34
Speaker 2: But you think, right, let's have another crack up.
42:38
Speaker 5: Actually in the next final which were lost to Celtic
42:41
Speaker 5: with Ronnie Dallas team in the League Cup.
42:43
Speaker 4: That was in the back that four games was that
42:46
Speaker 4: high high?
42:46
Speaker 5: The four games played on four games year?
42:49
Speaker 2: Was that twenty fifteen?
42:50
Speaker 3: You played four game games and guys and they just
42:53
Speaker 3: signed chifty Armstrong on.
42:56
Speaker 5: Someone that was McKay Stephen and Armstrong last day of
42:58
Speaker 5: the window. Then they played them four games and the
43:00
Speaker 5: bounds after that, you know, we put them in the
43:03
Speaker 5: Scottish Cup, we drew with them, then we put them
43:05
Speaker 5: in the league, then we put him in the League
43:07
Speaker 5: Cup final. Actually, to my front, three were gone over
43:12
Speaker 5: scoring federal to now and then looking at that mean
43:16
Speaker 5: I was going to take Sean Dillon gets sent off.
43:19
Speaker 5: Usually get the station, Sean Dillon get sent off, but
43:23
Speaker 5: you actually get a bad tackle member and you get stitched.
43:28
Speaker 5: And then it was taken forever to get them stitched.
43:30
Speaker 5: And I was I was going to make a sub
43:34
Speaker 5: and that's what he's just coming. He's just coming. And
43:36
Speaker 5: then it comes back on and gets sent off. Anyway,
43:39
Speaker 5: I took him off. You'll go after the event you
43:43
Speaker 5: go off. I can't wish I'd done that.
43:44
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, But you'll have loads of them, I do,
43:48
Speaker 3: you know, But then there's loads of good ones that
43:50
Speaker 3: you make the red decision.
43:50
Speaker 2: But you never put yourself on the back for them.
43:52
Speaker 5: You actually think, now like there you are. Now you
43:56
Speaker 5: have a too change me. But in my approach because
43:59
Speaker 5: of the Jenny is a.
44:00
Speaker 3: Little bit you know, not totally, but yeah, a little
44:03
Speaker 3: bit yeah, And you're a bit more mellow leg you know,
44:06
Speaker 3: and a bit more understanding. But you still got that
44:09
Speaker 3: drave and energy and you want that. Yeah, will you
44:13
Speaker 3: gotta win? You know, you want to instill some of
44:16
Speaker 3: them look at you and know what you're talking about.
44:17
Speaker 2: But then they start.
44:18
Speaker 3: To realize, you know, when you see the evidence on
44:20
Speaker 3: the pay oh yeah, get it now, like and you know,
44:22
Speaker 3: it's like it becomes addictive, you know, if you really
44:25
Speaker 3: want it, like if you really got the sames to
44:27
Speaker 3: be a player, it becomes addictive and you want more
44:29
Speaker 3: of it. So yeah, I'm really enjoying what I'm doing.
44:33
Speaker 3: Had a good experience, like you know, you've talked about
44:36
Speaker 3: COVID earlier on, but a lot of things were out
44:38
Speaker 3: of control anyway that happened. But at the year in Sapris,
44:41
Speaker 3: which I really enjoyed as well, you know, and then
44:44
Speaker 3: you know we want to Cup and get into the
44:46
Speaker 3: Europa League. Played manuated. It's fantastic experience living out there
44:49
Speaker 3: for a year, and then you know the short stint
44:52
Speaker 3: and beaker rest, which is what it is when you
44:54
Speaker 3: had fave games one defeat, but they decided.
44:56
Speaker 2: To change things. So it's nice to be back, you know,
45:00
Speaker 2: like this up.
45:00
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to take it and they only taught
45:02
Speaker 3: me into doing it, and yeah, I'm really enjoying it.
45:04
Speaker 1: Okay, So what we're going to do is every week
45:07
Speaker 1: we're going to get you to recommend for our next
45:10
Speaker 1: guest who you don't know, but I'll give you a clue.
45:14
Speaker 4: It's a band that are coming on.
45:16
Speaker 1: And you have to recommend a film, a song and
45:21
Speaker 1: album for a band.
45:25
Speaker 2: Hell three film center, a woman film, love a film.
45:33
Speaker 2: It's probably a good film.
45:34
Speaker 4: Actually starting watch that with my boy, superb.
45:37
Speaker 2: That's a good one of the words for your boy.
45:40
Speaker 2: What was the next one?
45:41
Speaker 4: A song?
45:42
Speaker 3: Mm?
45:43
Speaker 2: Hmm one by you? Two?
45:49
Speaker 4: Good pick? And finally a band or an album? You pick?
45:55
Speaker 5: Uh?
45:58
Speaker 2: Albums and funny ones, aren't I think I've got to
46:04
Speaker 2: go definitely maybe, do you know what I mean?
46:06
Speaker 3: Because the first yeah four, I mean, like the first
46:10
Speaker 3: sort of first song comes almost rock an roll star
46:13
Speaker 3: and it just gets you going. I love Colombia as
46:15
Speaker 3: well because it's different. It's a little bit darker, do
46:17
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Live Forever, Slide Away, all
46:20
Speaker 3: these great songs. It just brings you back, mate, you know,
46:23
Speaker 3: it just brings me back. So you know, and I
46:26
Speaker 3: loved you too. I mean I saw them in nineteen
46:29
Speaker 3: eighty seven when they brought out that Joshua Tie Have
46:31
Speaker 3: sixteen and like, you know, you hear the riff of
46:34
Speaker 3: you know, the streets that have No Name before the
46:36
Speaker 3: Edge actually comes out on stage and Bonno came out
46:39
Speaker 3: with the stets and only and it was just.
46:42
Speaker 4: Who did the cover of one at the Oscars recently?
46:46
Speaker 4: It was a good cover, but I love that song.
46:49
Speaker 3: It was different from what they normally did, but it
46:51
Speaker 3: just sort of it was the first thing came into
46:52
Speaker 3: my head really like you know, but I've got so
46:54
Speaker 3: many favorite songs, you know, I believe in that was
46:57
Speaker 3: a bigger usual fan as well, little respect you know songs.
47:01
Speaker 5: I remember me saying karaoke, but I was trying remember
47:03
Speaker 5: the song your first one? Is it know something that
47:06
Speaker 5: you lost? That love and feeling us, love us in
47:08
Speaker 5: the air, love us in there, that love us. I remember,
47:13
Speaker 5: here's something that a bit of love always.
47:18
Speaker 2: Who's the band? Are you allowed to say? Now? You
47:20
Speaker 2: can tell me off camera.
47:21
Speaker 4: And tell you off camera?
47:24
Speaker 2: Right?
47:24
Speaker 4: That's great?
47:25
Speaker 1: Thanks for first one down. They've been a brilliant guest.
47:28
Speaker 1: Thanks very much.
47:30
Speaker 3: Season Yeah, cup ended, Well I'll take one of the
47:36
Speaker 3: two and
47:38
Speaker 5: Thanks Cheer