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Credlin | 17 December · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Pellow Kremlin live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Yeah, what do you think? Rockets the program?
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  Speaker 2: He's what's coming up tonight on Kredline. Charges have now
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  Speaker 2: been formally laid. Late this evening against the alleged bond
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  Speaker 2: eyed gunmen has more questions emerge about cracks in our
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  Speaker 2: national security apparatus. More in that with former Home Affairs
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  Speaker 2: Secretary Michael lu the new South Wales Premier today has
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  Speaker 2: recalled the Parliament to address urgent gun reforms and new
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  Speaker 2: legislation to limit hate fueled protests. Now good, but it
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  Speaker 2: begs the question why this wasn't done immediately after that
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  Speaker 2: shameful Opera House protest two years ago last Enough's enough
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to the Islamic centers that have been
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  Speaker 2: preaching nothing but hate in this country. The Coalition has
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  Speaker 2: today rammed up calls for the controversial Al Medina Dawas
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  Speaker 2: Center to be shut down and tragic scenes Bonnai victims
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  Speaker 2: are laid to rest while Josh Fredenberg steps up and
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  Speaker 2: fills the leadership vacuum left by our absentee Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 3: It's time for him to accept personal responsibility for the
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  Speaker 3: death of fifteen innocent people, including a ten year old child.
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  Speaker 2: We'll stay with this this year because John Howard, who
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  Speaker 2: knows something about national leadership in times of crisis, well
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  Speaker 2: he didn't miss yesterday. Anthony Alminezi's greatest failure said, our
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  Speaker 2: best recent prime minister is not to provide the moral leadership,
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  Speaker 2: but only a prime minister can.
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  Speaker 4: The Australian people are not stupid. They can work out
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  Speaker 4: of phony. They can work out when they're being treated
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  Speaker 4: to weezel words.
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  Speaker 2: That's the problem, isn't it. Ever since the original October
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  Speaker 2: seven atrocity, our Prime minister has been missing in action
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to standing against rampant jew hatred in
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  Speaker 2: our country. Last night he hosted with the Governor General
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  Speaker 2: an evented annually house in Sydney that he claimed was
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  Speaker 2: for the Jewish community as our own. Andrew Clannell's pointed
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  Speaker 2: out the reason why he did it there is because
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  Speaker 2: he didn't want to be booed if he went to
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  Speaker 2: a Jewish gathering. Buddhas Tony Burke has been, as Justina
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  Speaker 2: Alan in Victoria has been as Richard Miles has been. Today,
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  Speaker 2: Jewish leaders continued to express their deep disappointment and frustration
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  Speaker 2: with a Prime Minister and a government which has failed
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  Speaker 2: to protect them and failed to understand the seriousness and
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  Speaker 2: the scale of anti Jewish hatred. A government that has
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  Speaker 2: not deported the hate preachers, a government that hasn't prosecuted
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  Speaker 2: people in citing violence, which hasn't banned hate marches. And today,
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  Speaker 2: after the first of the funerals for those gunned down
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  Speaker 2: so brutally on Sunday at Bondi Beach, the former Federal
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  Speaker 2: Treasurer Josh Fredenberg, well, he led loose on the Prime Minister,
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  Speaker 2: and Josh Fredenberg didn't miss.
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  Speaker 3: I'm here to mourn, but I'm also here to warn.
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  Speaker 3: Unless our governments, federal and state, take urgent, unprecedented and
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  Speaker 3: strong action. As night follows day, we will be back
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  Speaker 3: grieving the loss of innocent life in another terrorist attack.
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  Speaker 3: How can that factory of hate be allowed to open
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  Speaker 3: its doors for one day more? I say no, I
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  Speaker 3: say never. It's time our Prime Minister accepted accountability for
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  Speaker 3: what has happened here. Rabbis, Holocaust survivors and the beautiful
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  Speaker 3: ten year old Matilda. Her parents said they gave her
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  Speaker 3: that name because it was the most Australian name they
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  Speaker 3: knew what a tragedy.
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  Speaker 2: Quite frankly, that's the sort of conviction that's been missing
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  Speaker 2: from our prime minister. As I remarked to someone today,
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  Speaker 2: when a national leader is hit with a slaughter of
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  Speaker 2: fifteen innocent people, including ten year old Matilda, on the
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  Speaker 2: most iconic beach at our largest city, you can't even
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  Speaker 2: get angry at what's happened. He is not up to
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  Speaker 2: the job. And that's Anthony Albanezy, isn't it. Decent Labor
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  Speaker 2: people have admitted to me they know that he has
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  Speaker 2: mishandled this whole issue with you hatred for two years.
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  Speaker 2: They know it's been because he's been playing the politics
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  Speaker 2: of the issue, not dealing with the issue, but playing
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  Speaker 2: the politics, not fixing and calling out the problems. Partly
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  Speaker 2: this is because of the large Muslim voting block in
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  Speaker 2: seats of key cabinet ministers, but more relevant is the
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  Speaker 2: fact that there's a growing Muslim membership inside labor branches.
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  Speaker 2: And it'll be that Muslim membership block, a labor block
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  Speaker 2: that will have a say in any future labor leadership contest.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's something the ambitious Tony Burke wants to win,
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  Speaker 2: because don't forget Kevin Rudd changed the way a labor
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  Speaker 2: leader is elected, and that's why the view of the
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  Speaker 2: mosque matters almost as much of as those Sydney front
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  Speaker 2: benches listen to trade unionists. Yesterday, the Prime Minister's smoke
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  Speaker 2: screen was to try and make this all about inadequate
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  Speaker 2: gun laws rather than his own inadequate leadership in keeping
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  Speaker 2: Jewish people safe. After a chorus of complaints, including from
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  Speaker 2: senior security officials who said this is about jew hatred,
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  Speaker 2: not gun laws, it tried to change tac today, although
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  Speaker 2: not with much conviction. Now. I predict his next tactic
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  Speaker 2: will be to make this a problem for Jewish people,
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  Speaker 2: but not Australians as a whole. Even though the alleged
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  Speaker 2: Islamists who turned Bondi Beach into a shooting gallery didn't
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  Speaker 2: just hate Jews, they hate the Australian way of life.
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  Speaker 2: When radical Islamists chant death to the Infidel, that's not
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  Speaker 2: just death to those of the Jewish faith. That's death
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  Speaker 2: to every one of us in this country who is
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  Speaker 2: in Muslim that's twenty six and a half million of
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  Speaker 2: us who are not adherents of Mohammad. It's not just
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  Speaker 2: the Jews they are after As I have said before,
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  Speaker 2: if our Jews are not safe, none of us are safe.
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  Speaker 2: And Josh Fredenberg made that point very eloquently today.
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  Speaker 3: First they came for the Communists, but I did not
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  Speaker 3: speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came
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  Speaker 3: for the trade unionists, but I did not speak up
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  Speaker 3: because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for
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  Speaker 3: the Jews, and I did not speak up because I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't a Jew. And then they came for me and
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  Speaker 3: there was no one left to speak up for me.
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  Speaker 3: This is the message from this massacre at Bondai. First
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  Speaker 3: they come for the sat Day people, then they come
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  Speaker 3: for the Sunday people.
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  Speaker 2: We are a country that's always prided ourselves to be
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  Speaker 2: safely distant from the troubles of the old World, away
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  Speaker 2: from the hatreds that have pursued some groups, like our
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  Speaker 2: Jewish Australians for centuries. Indeed, as a country, even before
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  Speaker 2: DEI was a thing, we celebrated Jewish Australians without a
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  Speaker 2: thought of anything but their intellect, their endeavor, their commitment
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  Speaker 2: to this country. Individuals such as the Great John Monash,
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  Speaker 2: our general on the battlefront in the First World War,
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  Speaker 2: and Isaac. Isaac's the Chief Justice who became our first
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  Speaker 2: Australian born governor, General Anthony Albanezi, should not be allowed
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  Speaker 2: to slide into the summer holidays and just wash this
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  Speaker 2: atrocity away. This is a prime minister who kicked the
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  Speaker 2: Azio head out of the National Security Committee of Cabinet
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  Speaker 2: in favor of the climate change minister. We cut funding
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  Speaker 2: for our security agencies who recognized Palestine in a huge
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  Speaker 2: surrender to the River to the Sea protest movement, a
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  Speaker 2: bloke who's a lifelong social justice campaigner, not the national
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  Speaker 2: security warrior our country needs in these increasingly dangerous times. Now. Look,
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  Speaker 2: I know it's not front of mind right now, but
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  Speaker 2: labor is hardly more capable at managing the economy than
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  Speaker 2: it is at keeping Australians safe. Today, the Treasurer Jim
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  Speaker 2: Chalmers released the annual midyear Economic and Fiscal Outlocal we
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  Speaker 2: know it as my EFO. In it, the federal deficit
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  Speaker 2: blows out from about ten billion dollars last year to
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  Speaker 2: almost forty billion this year. Now, naturally, Chalmers boaster that
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  Speaker 2: this was some sort of economic wizardry, said, this is
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  Speaker 2: the only MEDIEAAR update that has delivered a better bottom
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  Speaker 2: line every year of the forward estimates. Sure it's a
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  Speaker 2: great line for the media, but the reality is that
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  Speaker 2: there's still debt and deficit as far as the eye
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  Speaker 2: can see, and typically any improvement is due to changed forecasts,
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  Speaker 2: not better government policy. Now I call this fiscal astrology,
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  Speaker 2: and it's about as accurate as a fortune teller. Indeed,
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  Speaker 2: the only actual policy decision the government has made that
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  Speaker 2: cut debt and deficit has been not renewing your power
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  Speaker 2: built subsidy because that was supposed to be temporary and
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: so it is. But that was only needed in the
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  Speaker 2: first place because Labour's emissions obsession and caused skyrocketing power prices.
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  Speaker 2: Labour's basic problem is addiction to spending, starting with its
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  Speaker 2: spending on itself. Now rightly, the Bonnai massacre has driven
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  Speaker 2: attention away from Labour's travel warts. They will come back.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister was claiming all last week, wasn't he
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  Speaker 2: that the whole travel in titnament saga was nothing to
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  Speaker 2: do with him? It was all set up and run
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  Speaker 2: by a fully independent body.
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  Speaker 5: Is introduced at arm's length. I'll let the Independent Parliamentary
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  Speaker 5: Expenses Authority do their job.
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  Speaker 2: Well. Wrong, wrong, That is a lie. In fact, it
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  Speaker 2: was his own government that a few weeks prior to
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  Speaker 2: the last election broadened the definition of party political events
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  Speaker 2: that could then be billed to the taxpayer. He claimed
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  Speaker 2: that all of his errands ministers spending was quote within
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  Speaker 2: the rules or wrong again. The official rule book says,
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  Speaker 2: simply stating that a parliamentary parliamentarian's use of expenses was
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  Speaker 2: assistant with the rules may not be enough to meet
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  Speaker 2: the obligations of the framework. Ministers who can't be trusted
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  Speaker 2: not disclurge on themselves can't be trusted to manage the economy.
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  Speaker 2: Week on National security, Week on budget management. I wonder
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  Speaker 2: our country is in real trouble. Right, Let's go to
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  Speaker 2: Camber now for the headlines. Sky News Political reporter cam
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  Speaker 2: Reddit Good evening.
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  Speaker 6: The first funerals for victims of Sunday Nights Bondai terror
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  Speaker 6: attack have been held in Sydney's East.
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  Speaker 2: Hum Why don't you for seek him?
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  Speaker 7: I'll tell you early early.
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  Speaker 1: Love us uptided with.
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  Speaker 6: Mourners gather to remember Rabbi Elie Schlanger and Reuven Morrison,
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  Speaker 6: who died a hero while confronting the attackers with bricks.
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  Speaker 6: Former Liberal Treasurer Josh Freedenberg visited those grieving at the
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  Speaker 6: Bondai Beach Memorial. Sky News understands the Bondai attack has
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  Speaker 6: prompted his decision that in some capacity he plans to
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  Speaker 6: return to federal politics. The National Security Committee convened again
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  Speaker 6: this afternoon and will continue to meet daily for some
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  Speaker 6: time to come. The Prime Minister spent the morning visiting
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  Speaker 6: victims who are recovering in hospital.
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  Speaker 5: I say that the battle against any Semitism has been
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  Speaker 5: around for a long period time. We have called out
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  Speaker 5: and will continue to call out, will work with the community.
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  Speaker 1: But has he told the Australian people.
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  Speaker 2: Has he reassured the Jewish community?
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  Speaker 1: Is he here at Bondi? Has he walked the streets as
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  Speaker 1: we have?
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  Speaker 6: Has he listened here in Canberra? Senior members of the
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  Speaker 6: government alongside members of the public have signed a condolence
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  Speaker 6: book to pay their respects to the victims. When will
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  Speaker 6: there be that action and new laws or can all
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  Speaker 6: of that just wait til after Christmas? Surely something has
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  Speaker 6: to happen now.
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  Speaker 8: Every Australian grieves for these lives that have been needlessly
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  Speaker 8: and tragically cut short. And these are extremely tragic, extremely harrowing,
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  Speaker 8: horrifying acts of anti Semitism, and the government takes them
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  Speaker 8: extremely seriously.
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  Speaker 9: We should be going back to Parliament next week and
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  Speaker 9: their own Special Envoy into anti Semitism has thirteen recommendations.
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  Speaker 9: One of those we could move legislation next week in
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  Speaker 9: a bipartisan way.
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  Speaker 6: Cameron Redden's Sky News Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's bring it up. Pat On now joining me,
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  Speaker 2: national Affairs editor at the Daily Telegraph, Sky News host
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  Speaker 2: James Morrow and Sky contributed to Jamie Rogers. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: to you both. Let's just move to those harrowing scenes
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  Speaker 2: today at Or for Rabbi Eli Schlanger. Very moving, very tragic.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, James, is nothing worse than a
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  Speaker 2: grown man crying. But that's what we've heard and saw today. Notably, though,
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  Speaker 2: no senior labor MPs, and there's a raft of them
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  Speaker 2: that live in Sydney, including the Prime Minister, were there
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  Speaker 2: at the service. We saw senior Coalition MPs of course,
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  Speaker 2: the Premier there, Chris Mins was there. Members of the
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales opposition as well. I think that's a
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  Speaker 2: dereliction of the Prime Minister's duty. I think, particularly given
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  Speaker 2: Rabbi Schlanger was such a senior member of the Jewish
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  Speaker 2: community in Sydney, the Prime Minister should have been there.
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  Speaker 7: And you know, Peter, it is a disgrace, and the
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  Speaker 7: Prime Minister's evasions on this topic I think speak for themselves.
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  Speaker 7: He was asked why weren't you there and he said, oh, well,
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  Speaker 7: you know I wasn't infaded. Well, you know, we know
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  Speaker 7: how this works. The Prime Minister's staff could have contacted
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  Speaker 7: the family and said, look, you know, we're terribly sorry
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  Speaker 7: for your loss, and the Prime Minister would be honored
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  Speaker 7: to attend. This is say obviously Chris Bins did, Susan Laden,
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  Speaker 7: other politicians did remember pet that. When in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 7: two Anthony Albnezi ran for Prime Minister against Scott Morrison,
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  Speaker 7: he promised to be the prime minister who showed up right.
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  Speaker 7: He said he would be the one who was present
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  Speaker 7: at the difficult times and he would show up and
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  Speaker 7: he would be on the scene. He is right now
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  Speaker 7: running scared, and he's running scared because he doesn't have
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  Speaker 7: the hutzpah if I may use that word here, to
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  Speaker 7: front up to a community that is grieving. That is angry,
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  Speaker 7: and that blames him and his ministers for spending two
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  Speaker 7: and a half years dawdling and taking very little action
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  Speaker 7: about a crisis they had been warned about explicitly time
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  Speaker 7: and time again.
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  Speaker 2: He also very kennily, you know, and I think I
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  Speaker 2: say this as a cynical device, Jamie. He's gone to
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  Speaker 2: the hospitals, he's gone and visited others. He's been involved
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  Speaker 2: in this event overnight with a Governor General at Admiralty House.
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  Speaker 2: It is a Jewish event, but it saved him from
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  Speaker 2: fronting Jewish communities elsewhere and getting booed. So precious is
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  Speaker 2: his ego. He can't front the people he has let
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  Speaker 2: down in this horrific, tragic way because he's so thin
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  Speaker 2: skinned it cannot take any public criticism. You're right, Peter,
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  Speaker 2: and that's the problem.
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  Speaker 10: He can't take any form of criticism, which is why
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  Speaker 10: he's not showing up now for the Jewish communities. They
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  Speaker 10: so desperately need leadership and for someone to have their back.
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  Speaker 10: And he hasn't returned to Bondi since Monday morning when
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  Speaker 10: he first went there. We've had the funeral today, as
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  Speaker 10: you've already mentioned, where he was a no show. Matilda's
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  Speaker 10: funeral is tomorrow and Peter, he better be there. This
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  Speaker 10: is that ten year year old girl who lost her
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  Speaker 10: life when she was at the petting zoo at Bondai Beach.
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  Speaker 10: The Albaneze government has catastrophically failed the Jewish community but
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  Speaker 10: also Australians. They have been crying out for leadership and
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  Speaker 10: the fact that he is now nowhere to be seen
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  Speaker 10: but he's having photos with Don't get me wrong, Ahmed
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  Speaker 10: al Ahmed deserves to have the praise and for the
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  Speaker 10: Prime Minister to go and say thank you to him
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  Speaker 10: for saving countless lives, but the Jewish families who have
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  Speaker 10: also lost members within their community also deserve that the
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  Speaker 10: same respect. And yes, he probably will be booed, but
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  Speaker 10: I tell you what, people will appreciate the fact that
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  Speaker 10: he's there and showing that words are not just words.
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  Speaker 10: Actions speak louder than words. Peter, he needs to stand up.
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  Speaker 10: His job is to protect all of Australia. If he
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  Speaker 10: can't do that, if he can't make Australians safe, he
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  Speaker 10: needs to stand down. If he doesn't want to go
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  Speaker 10: and stand at these funerals, stand down and put someone
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  Speaker 10: else in the role who will do it.
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  Speaker 2: There's a time in politics you can take the medicine,
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  Speaker 2: and if you can't take the medicine, you need to
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  Speaker 2: get out of the parliament. The new South Wales premier
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  Speaker 2: is recalling the parliament. He wants urgent gun laws passed.
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  Speaker 2: He also wants change to the way that protests are
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  Speaker 2: run in his state. Now I'm all for both of
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  Speaker 2: these things, but they can't be a distraction and way
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  Speaker 2: from what motivated the alleged gunment. Will be very carefully legally.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to give him any way to wriggle
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  Speaker 2: out of this, the alleged gunman and the dead father.
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  Speaker 2: There's got to be more focused on the drivers behind
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  Speaker 2: all of this, of course, James. But good on Chris
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  Speaker 2: Mins for bringing the parliament together. Frankly, I think that's
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  Speaker 2: what should happen in Canberra. I think there needs to
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  Speaker 2: be a show of solidarity in the Federal Parliament and
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  Speaker 2: a message sent around the world that this is a
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  Speaker 2: red line now that Australia has costs crossed and we
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  Speaker 2: will not take it lying down.
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  Speaker 7: I agree with you Peter about coming together as a parliament,
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  Speaker 7: but I start to get a little nervous sometimes about
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  Speaker 7: what Chris Min's is talking about, because I listened to
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  Speaker 7: his press conference today and he was saying, essentially, you know,
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  Speaker 7: we have to protect our multicultural society. But then what
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  Speaker 7: he kept talking about is more and more rules on
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  Speaker 7: free speech and gatherings and so on to ensure that
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  Speaker 7: this multicultural society doesn't tear itself apart. And to me,
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  Speaker 7: that says, you know, maybe there's a problem with this
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  Speaker 7: whole idea. And I worry that in all the talk,
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  Speaker 7: particularly around gun laws, but also you know, some of
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  Speaker 7: these other things they're talking about, that all of this
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  Speaker 7: becomes a distraction and we don't have the crucial conversations
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  Speaker 7: we need to have around the motivators of this alleged gunman.
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  Speaker 7: We don't have the conversations broadly about culture, about the
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  Speaker 7: politics of all of this, because people say, well, it's
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  Speaker 7: not the time. But if now is not the time
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  Speaker 7: to do this, Peter, I don't know when it is.
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  Speaker 7: So yeah, I'll give him credit for being together. We can,
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  Speaker 7: but we do need to have those conversations. We can't
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  Speaker 7: let some you know in labor say, don't do those
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  Speaker 7: other conversations.
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  Speaker 2: No, I agree with the conversation, and I agree it
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  Speaker 2: should be a robust treatment of the legislation. It should
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  Speaker 2: not be waved through. But I am a conservative, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not a libertarian, so I do accept there are constraints
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  Speaker 2: on free speech, and I think we are, unfortunately in
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  Speaker 2: this country, looking to constrain all the wrong people, but
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  Speaker 2: we have no constraints on the bad people. All of
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: the stuff coming out of the mosques. And we'll get
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  Speaker 2: to that in a moment with Mike Pozulu. That must
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  Speaker 2: be shut down and let's see if that is also
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  Speaker 2: part of the legal strengthening. It doesn't look like Jamie.
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  Speaker 2: From comments made by Chris Mins three police apparently on
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  Speaker 2: duty on Sunday, even though it was the first day
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: of a very significant Jewish festival in a very significant
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Jewish it doesn't sound like there was sufficient resourcing. I
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: suspect this is also where the attention will move.
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: Yes, absolutely, Peter and mal Lanyon was asked about that
• 22:13
  Speaker 10: in a press conference today and he said it was
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: part of the investigation to see why there were such
• 22:19
  Speaker 10: short resources from the police side of things, but also
• 22:22
  Speaker 10: when you look at the fact that they were just
• 22:23
  Speaker 10: outgunned as well having those hand pistols up against those
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: long range rifles. They just didn't stand a chance against
• 22:30
  Speaker 10: that sort of an arsenal. And to think that there
• 22:32
  Speaker 10: was that Jewish event on a beach with a thousand
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: there and to have three police officers just seems very inadequate.
• 22:39
  Speaker 10: At a time when anti Semitism is such on a
• 22:42
  Speaker 10: rise and we have seen things like the fire bombings
• 22:44
  Speaker 10: of synagogues and childcare centers, that you would think that
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: they would have had more presence. I don't want to
• 22:50
  Speaker 10: say anything bad about the police. I think they've done
• 22:52
  Speaker 10: a fantastic job to try and defend what they could,
• 22:55
  Speaker 10: and we heard that terrible story that one of those
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: police officers has now lost a site in one of
• 23:00
  Speaker 10: his eyes. But I think that they were incredibly under
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: resourced and unfortunately those thousand Jews that were on the
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: beach were sitting ducks in this incident.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: On Sunday, let's go to some comments made by Laura Tingle.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: She's a very high profile ABC journalists. These are remarks
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: she made on a podcast yesterday while speaking with Patricia.
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: Carvellis absolutely a radicalized These were that were targeting Jews.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: It is anti semitic, but we are ascribing all sorts
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: of things, right.
• 23:30
  Speaker 11: Yeah, their actions are not based on their religion.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I find that absolutely reprehensible.
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: It's just I heard that earlier today too, and I
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: was absolutely shocked. I mean, you know, for one thing,
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: of course, the police haven't made any announcements about the
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: alleged gunman's motives to begin with, so we don't even
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: start from a position where she can see that categorically
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: one way or the other. But what we do know
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: about this sort of crime is, you know, you're talking
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: about allegations of vices, flags, you're talking about all sorts
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: of other things, allegations of training in the Philippines, all
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: of these sorts of things, they point to something that
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: is very different. And we know that anti Semitism often
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: has a deeply religiously motivated consequence. And this is what
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: I was talking about before, you know, having these conversations
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: and not shying away from them. What she's doing there
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: is she's running for cover. She's running cover from an
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: agenda and a narrative that she and I think a
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: lot of the left find deeply deeply uncomfortable.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Well so they should, James. But I have to show
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: you a picture that I just snapped myself driving into
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the studio here in Melbourne. This is a woman crossing
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: the street in Melbourne with her kafea proudly and defiantly
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: on display. So if you think the Left had taken,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: you know, a haircut out of this, that they're going
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: to pull back on their pro Palestinian hate and non sins,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: you've got another thing coming. I think they are completely
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: and utterly shameless and emboldened. I'll leave it there, Thank
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: you to you both. Let's go now to my next guest.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about the coverage from Josh Friedenberg today. An
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: incredibly powerful speech, a lot of gravitas there at the moment,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and really hitting back to the journalists who are trying
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: to put words in his mouth's mouth. But one thing
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: he did speak of was a conversation he had had
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: with John Howard. Have a listen.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: When I interviewed John Howard for my documentary on anti Semitism,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I asked him what would have he done if he
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: was Prime Minister at the time of October the seventh,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: and he said his first call would have been to
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Kim Beasley as the leader of the opposition, and it
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: would have been to say Kim, stand with me in
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: the Prime Ministerial courtyard and let's tell Australians where the
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: red lines are and if they cross those red lines
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: then there will be consequences.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Join me now. Foreign Editor at The Australian, Greg Sheridan, Well,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: hindsight's a wonderful thing. We can't go back and remake
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the days after October seven, but Anthony Albanese could well
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: have done that on Sunday night, Greg, and I think
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Australians we saw a little bit of him there, and
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: we saw a little bit of them laying flowers the
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: next day. But he has basically been absent from the
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: national stage since that time. I don't think he's up
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: to it. I think there's no anger, there's no emotion.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: There's nothing in his response that even gives us a
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: semblance of understanding that he has got it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 12: What do you think, Well, Peter, it's good to be
• 26:51
  Speaker 12: with you in a very somber moment in Australian life.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Excuse me.
• 26:57
  Speaker 12: I think the Albanese government is responsible for not dealing
• 27:02
  Speaker 12: with the crisis of antisemitism. They are one hundred percent
• 27:06
  Speaker 12: morally responsible for allowing the atmosphere to develop in Australia
• 27:11
  Speaker 12: of hatred of Jews. The Albanese government has done some
• 27:15
  Speaker 12: things to work against the hatred of Jews, but it's
• 27:19
  Speaker 12: done many things which have exacerbated the hatred of Jews
• 27:22
  Speaker 12: in the way that it has radically and wildly demonized
• 27:27
  Speaker 12: Israel and changed long standing Australian positions. It has in effect,
• 27:31
  Speaker 12: though not intentionally, demonized Jews. At no point has it
• 27:36
  Speaker 12: understood what not only the Jewish community but many many
• 27:40
  Speaker 12: commentators and Australian scholars and analysts have pointed out to
• 27:44
  Speaker 12: it that there is a deep Australian crisis of antisemitism,
• 27:48
  Speaker 12: which is part of a deep global crisis of antisemitism. Instead,
• 27:53
  Speaker 12: you've got from the Albanesi government what you always get,
• 27:56
  Speaker 12: misdirection and pr stunts. So you have a crisis of
• 28:00
  Speaker 12: anti Semitism. For the first time. The Prime Minister calls
• 28:03
  Speaker 12: a national Cabinet, which he always refused to do on
• 28:05
  Speaker 12: this subject before, and he doesn't even mention Gillian Siegel's report,
• 28:10
  Speaker 12: and his only a gender item is gun control and
• 28:13
  Speaker 12: intelligence sharing. I mean, this country has coped with growing
• 28:18
  Speaker 12: anti Semitism by funding the Jewish community to build concrete
• 28:22
  Speaker 12: bomb shelters. That's our only response as a nation to
• 28:26
  Speaker 12: this cancer of anti Semitism. I thought Josh Fredenberg spoke
• 28:30
  Speaker 12: very powerfully today. I wish we had Josh in parliament.
• 28:33
  Speaker 12: That this country is suffering a tremendous deficit of leadership,
• 28:37
  Speaker 12: and nothing that the Albanese government has done since the
• 28:40
  Speaker 12: Bondai massacre has given any indication that even yet it
• 28:45
  Speaker 12: understands the gravity of the crisis we as a nation
• 28:48
  Speaker 12: are facing.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's my biggest concern. Greg. You know that
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: after the events of Sunday, we haven't seen any signal
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: that this government will change. We haven't seen any census,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I said just a moment ago. But the Prime Minister
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: gets it that he gets the severity and the danger,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: and I guess I think are real crossroads that this
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: country is at. And I am worried given not just
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the strength of his mandate inside the Parliament, the number
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: of seats he has, you know how far away from
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: the game the opposition is, but also he's got two
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: and a bit years to run his term. And if
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: we don't arrest this cancer and rip it out now,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: what are we going to look like in another two
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: years time? Because look where we have come now in
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: two years since October seven, God help us about where
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: we will be in another two years time.
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: Well, that's absolutely right, Peter. So the Prime Minister was
• 29:51
  Speaker 12: right to say anti Semitism has a long history and
• 29:54
  Speaker 12: it long predates his prime ministership. But it has clearly
• 29:57
  Speaker 12: been getting worse and he has not taken effective action
• 30:01
  Speaker 12: on it, as with so many things, you know, our
• 30:03
  Speaker 12: defense policy. Come back in another twenty years and he
• 30:06
  Speaker 12: might have something to show you. The problem for the
• 30:11
  Speaker 12: Prime Minister is this. Everybody says they're against anti semitism. Indeed,
• 30:15
  Speaker 12: quite a lot of Islamists say there against anti Semitism.
• 30:18
  Speaker 12: It's an easy statement to make in general. But where
• 30:21
  Speaker 12: does antisemitism brew in our society. It brews in universities,
• 30:25
  Speaker 12: that brews in radical preachers at mosques, It brews in
• 30:30
  Speaker 12: these hateful demonstrations every week with their loaded anti Semitic
• 30:35
  Speaker 12: slogans and terrorist symbols. Now, to take action in any
• 30:39
  Speaker 12: of those three fields, to try to reform a university,
• 30:42
  Speaker 12: to try to limit or expel or charge a hate preacher,
• 30:48
  Speaker 12: to try to change the way these demonstrations go, means
• 30:52
  Speaker 12: you will meet resistance. You will have trouble, You'll have
• 30:55
  Speaker 12: institutional resistance from the forces of antisemitism in Australia. Now,
• 31:00
  Speaker 12: the Albanezi government is not only an incompetent government, it
• 31:03
  Speaker 12: is a cowardly government. And it is not willing to
• 31:06
  Speaker 12: take any of those institutional steps because it is not
• 31:09
  Speaker 12: willing to shed one drop of political capital on behalf
• 31:14
  Speaker 12: of the Jewish community. You know, it'll make kumbay Our statements.
• 31:18
  Speaker 12: It looks bewildered about how its own inaction and foolish
• 31:23
  Speaker 12: concessions to anti Semitic forces on the left have contributed
• 31:29
  Speaker 12: to this disaster. And it is just not willing to
• 31:33
  Speaker 12: take any meaningful action. And you can't change a crisis
• 31:39
  Speaker 12: like this just with a kumbay Our press release and
• 31:42
  Speaker 12: a bit of titan gun control. I mean, I agree
• 31:44
  Speaker 12: with you completely. I'm a conservative, not a libertarian. I'm
• 31:47
  Speaker 12: happy to have more gun control and I'm happy to
• 31:50
  Speaker 12: have certain limits on free speech. I used to wonder
• 31:53
  Speaker 12: whether it was right to outlaw Nazism in Western Europe.
• 31:56
  Speaker 12: I now strongly strongly support that. But of course Jews
• 32:00
  Speaker 12: are not being killed by Nazis in our society. They're
• 32:03
  Speaker 12: being harassed by forces on the far left and in
• 32:09
  Speaker 12: the tradition of Islamist and e Semitism, and this government
• 32:13
  Speaker 12: has done nothing effective about it.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I'll make the point just as we go. You know,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister has not said anything about Islamist terrorism.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: He's not dared speak those words. There's been more mentions
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: about far right extremists this week from the government that
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: has about the scourge that allegedly drove these men to
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: do what they did. I'll let it there, Grig sendan
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: thank you all right? Coming up, what does this mean
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: for your security, not just Jewish security, but your security
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: in Australia and what looks to be a major breakdown
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: between our federal and state authorities. Mike Pizulu coming out,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: welcome back. I want to move down to the secure
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: uity implications, the whole overlay of state and federal responsibility
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: in relation to the Bondi terror attack and joining me
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: now former Home Affairs boss, the Secretary of the Department
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: at the time, Mike Pozzulu. Mike, thank you for your time.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: No one knows the apparatus and the institutions that the
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: government has at a federal level better than you, so
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I'm pleasing with us tonight, I want to ask you
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: about a couple of sort of detailed issues. I will
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: make the point the younger man involved allegedly in the
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: shooting on the weekend has been formally charged there now,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: so we have to use obviously careful language. But let's
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: go to what we learned about this alleged trip to
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: the Philippines and homemade ISIS flags that's been confirmed by
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: police that there was also confirmation yesterday from the AFP
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: that this was an ISIS inspired attack. Given all of
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: these issues, given the fact that the young individual came
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: to the notice of ASIO in twenty nineteen, that is
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: a statement of fact. Is father then in twenty twenty
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: three was given a license for six long arm firearms?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: How does all of that might fall through the cracks?
• 34:20
  Speaker 11: Good evening, Peter, And it's a somber and distressing occasion
• 34:24
  Speaker 11: to have to be invited onto your program. But we
• 34:27
  Speaker 11: are where we are. It's a terrible week. Can I
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: take your question and almost reverse it and go back
• 34:34
  Speaker 11: to some of the comments that some of your earlier
• 34:36
  Speaker 11: guests have made, because to get to that point now,
• 34:38
  Speaker 11: I agree with my esteem former colleagues, people like Nick
• 34:41
  Speaker 11: Warner Dennis Richardson, Duncan Lewis, all of whom were quoted
• 34:45
  Speaker 11: quite extensively in one of the national newspapers today in
• 34:47
  Speaker 11: the Australian. I wouldn't start with the presumption of an
• 34:51
  Speaker 11: intelligence failure or an intelligence scapegoat. I think once you
• 34:54
  Speaker 11: do that, there's a massive intellectual deflection and an analytical
• 34:58
  Speaker 11: deflection from what I think of the three issues strategic,
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: operational and tactical. That might well get us to some
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: concerns about information sharing and gaps in processes.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: But let me lay out the three areas which I.
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: Think ultimately will have to be dealt with through a
• 35:11
  Speaker 11: commission of inquiry. I think one that was high powered
• 35:14
  Speaker 11: had access to classified information. I think we could get
• 35:18
  Speaker 11: to the bottom of this within about three to four months.
• 35:20
  Speaker 11: It might be that some follow on inquiry work would
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: be required, but I certainly would support that, and I
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: join with others who are making calls for such an inquiry.
• 35:28
  Speaker 11: I would actually start with the very thing you were
• 35:30
  Speaker 11: talking about with Greg Sheridan, which is a causality piece.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: So start at the very strategic level.
• 35:35
  Speaker 11: How is it that Australia has become a world leader
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: in hatred and then in terms of causality, how is
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: that how the drivers of that hatred been manifested? Greg
• 35:48
  Speaker 11: spoke about universities, you spoke about hate preachers, he spoke
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: about protesters. How does that then create the environment where
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: And of course we won't know until this comes out
• 35:57
  Speaker 11: in court, because, as you say, the suspect has now
• 36:00
  Speaker 11: been charged and he's an alleged is an alleged criminal,
• 36:05
  Speaker 11: not a criminal charged and convicted, So we'll have to
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: wait until the court process plays out. But let's assume
• 36:11
  Speaker 11: that there was an ecosystem and if you're like an
• 36:14
  Speaker 11: intellectual environment in which he was allegedly operating. Okay, so
• 36:18
  Speaker 11: how does that transmission built of causality work? And I
• 36:21
  Speaker 11: agree with Nick Warner, Dennis Richardson, and Denis and Duncan
• 36:24
  Speaker 11: laws you need to start there. Then I think you
• 36:26
  Speaker 11: need to go to the second level, which even if
• 36:29
  Speaker 11: you allow for a degree, if you wire a watching
• 36:33
  Speaker 11: brief after seven October, although I would not have recommended
• 36:37
  Speaker 11: that because once you saw what happened at the opera house,
• 36:39
  Speaker 11: I would have gone on to a higher level of alert.
• 36:41
  Speaker 11: But let's just tak has read that ASIO exercising its
• 36:44
  Speaker 11: statutory powers didn't advise an increase in the threat level
• 36:49
  Speaker 11: until August of twenty four, so let's just take that
• 36:51
  Speaker 11: as a starting point. The commissioners would need to look
• 36:53
  Speaker 11: at resourcing. What was done, So what was different after
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: the threat level was raised to probable and for the
• 37:00
  Speaker 11: benefit of the viewers, probable means on the ASIO lexicon.
• 37:03
  Speaker 11: You can look it up on their website. It is
• 37:06
  Speaker 11: more likely than not. That's what probable means, greater than
• 37:08
  Speaker 11: fifty percent chance of an attack in the next twelve month.
• 37:12
  Speaker 11: So you go to August twenty four, you've got a
• 37:14
  Speaker 11: greater than fifty percent chance of an attack within twelve months.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Well, they weren't that far out.
• 37:19
  Speaker 11: It was December of twenty five, horrifically, So what happened
• 37:22
  Speaker 11: in terms of boosted resources. Tactical teams been put into
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: the field, additional resourcing for afp AZIO, for the joint
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: counter terrorism teams up in Sydney and Melbourne particularly, but elsewhere,
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: the counter terrorism function in Home Affairs in my former department,
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: I'd want to look at the resourcing levels there and
• 37:41
  Speaker 11: in the third level, if you like, the more tactical
• 37:43
  Speaker 11: level really gets to what's in your question. Assuming that
• 37:47
  Speaker 11: functions were optimally laid out, resources were optedly, optimally apportioned.
• 37:53
  Speaker 11: How is it that some of those matters that appear
• 37:56
  Speaker 11: to have transpired, and again we'll have to wait for
• 37:58
  Speaker 11: the court proceedings now to unfile about the travel, about
• 38:01
  Speaker 11: access to firearms and all the rest of it, How
• 38:04
  Speaker 11: is it that those information failures, you might say, or
• 38:08
  Speaker 11: at least information gaps. I think I wouldn't go so
• 38:10
  Speaker 11: far as to say failure some have I would counsel
• 38:13
  Speaker 11: against that. I'd talk about information gap possibly at most.
• 38:17
  Speaker 11: I think that would need to be looked at very
• 38:18
  Speaker 11: scientifically by the commissioners. And again, I think you could
• 38:22
  Speaker 11: get to the bottom of that within three months, and then,
• 38:25
  Speaker 11: if you like, seek an extension of the commission's mandate
• 38:28
  Speaker 11: if it took longer than that. And we've had precedents,
• 38:31
  Speaker 11: Peter and I'll conclude on this point because it was
• 38:34
  Speaker 11: a very very incisive opening question, but it kind of
• 38:38
  Speaker 11: required a layering of a response. I think based on
• 38:41
  Speaker 11: this kind of precedent we had with Robert Marsden Hope,
• 38:43
  Speaker 11: the former the late Supreme Court judge who was appointed
• 38:46
  Speaker 11: by both Malcolm Fraser and Bob Hawk to look into
• 38:48
  Speaker 11: some of these sorts of issues.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Very distinguished, fine legal mind.
• 38:53
  Speaker 11: Mine like a steel trap Partnering someone like that, a
• 38:56
  Speaker 11: modern day Robert Marsden Hope with.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: A SEES and experienced security practitioner.
• 39:02
  Speaker 11: I think having that sort of duel approach, I think
• 39:05
  Speaker 11: you'd make a lot of progress in getting to the
• 39:07
  Speaker 11: bottom of some of these questions very quickly.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, I've got some quick ones I want to get
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: through before we lose you. You're confident you can do all
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: of that and not have, say the Prime Minister high
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: behind the line that I can't discuss this. It's before
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: the courts, that this can run in parallel with a
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: legal process in relation to the individual charge this afternoon.
• 39:31
  Speaker 11: I won't editorialize on what the PM may or may
• 39:33
  Speaker 11: not say. You do that and others do that. That's
• 39:37
  Speaker 11: the line of work you're in. I think any leader,
• 39:39
  Speaker 11: whether it's mister Albinize or any Prime minister, indeed any minister,
• 39:43
  Speaker 11: I think we've seen this happen before. We had a
• 39:45
  Speaker 11: or commission in to Asis in the mid nineties. I
• 39:47
  Speaker 11: worked for the then Foreign Minister and I was the.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to be blunt, Yeah, can we do
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: this can we do this in relation to this event
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: in the way and we're just driving it up? I'm supportive, Yeah, yes, okay.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Second one, Cantera? Okay, can we ban his Teria?
• 40:10
  Speaker 11: I think you're going to take a little bit of
• 40:12
  Speaker 11: legal risks of the way the Criminal Code provisions written.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: But I would certainly have a crack absolutely.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: All right. And the last one, and James Patterson called
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: for this very strongly today. Should we shut down and
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: there'll be more than just this one, but al Madina
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Dawis Center that is linked to the alleged government. Can we?
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: And I think we should, But can we legally shut
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: these places down?
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I think we've got a basis for it.
• 40:41
  Speaker 11: A very important federal court decision in Worth Time versus
• 40:44
  Speaker 11: Hadad came down in July. Justice Stuart laid down some
• 40:48
  Speaker 11: very clear markers as to what vilification under the Racial
• 40:51
  Speaker 11: Discrimination Act means in terms of proper the proper understanding
• 40:55
  Speaker 11: of free speech where you can legitimately criticize the state
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  Speaker 11: of Israel versus highating behind curanic references about malicious and horrible,
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  Speaker 11: vile statements about the Jews. I think if we go
• 41:06
  Speaker 11: back to that case, the change I would make Peter,
• 41:09
  Speaker 11: and this is perhaps for another time. I don't think
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  Speaker 11: it should be left to the Executive Council of Australian
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  Speaker 11: jury to take to get standing, to get before a
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  Speaker 11: federal court judge to have those sermons taken down. I
• 41:20
  Speaker 11: think the Commonwealth should work on how it gets standing
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  Speaker 11: and that might war mean an amendment to the Racial
• 41:25
  Speaker 11: Discrimination Act, and that's something that I would encourage worth
• 41:29
  Speaker 11: such an inquiry to be established the Commissioner.
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  Speaker 2: Is that a good way to do it? That is
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: a good way to do it. You've got an elastic
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: mind as ever, Mike Buzulu, Thank you. I used to
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: work very closely with him and the Operation Sovereign Borders.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Here is a good man. All right, quick break. After
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: the break we'll talk about some other topics and round
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: things out. Welcome back. We're going to talk about my EFIL.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: I do not want the government off the hook on
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: the budget. The Treasurer today brought down is numbers. Deficit
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: is higher. There's pressure on the forward estimate, so that's
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: the money in the forward years in the next budget cycle.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: He has conceded. There are big spending pressures for the government.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: They are in relation to defense. On health, on the
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: NDIS and on aged care. Of course, I think there
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: should be more money now for national security, but we'll
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: pull that apart in coming days and weeks. Joining me
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: nowt to assist in looking at this at a macro sense.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: A former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Department, David Pearl.
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  Speaker 2: Have we got you there? David? You do terrific. I
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: just want to ask you. I know we've talked about
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: many other important things this week, but I don't want
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: the budget to go unremarked. We've got the mid year
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: numbers out today, my efo's out. Give me your top
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: line view of what you heard from the treasure today.
• 42:58
  Speaker 13: Well, first, let me say that I wouldn't have released
• 43:01
  Speaker 13: my EFO today three days after the horrific attack. But
• 43:04
  Speaker 13: let's put that to one side. I thought that was
• 43:06
  Speaker 13: particularly cynical on the Treasurer's part. The top line response
• 43:10
  Speaker 13: to my EFO, Peter, is that if the inflation fire
• 43:15
  Speaker 13: is burning in Australia as we've seen this, my EFO
• 43:19
  Speaker 13: pause fuel on it. I want to say to you
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  Speaker 13: and your listeners completely disregard anything that's said about the
• 43:24
  Speaker 13: Ford estimates or the medium term projections. It's complete fiction.
• 43:29
  Speaker 13: I can unpack that in details. If we're concerned about
• 43:32
  Speaker 13: an interest rate increase from the RBA board in February,
• 43:36
  Speaker 13: we should be looking at how much spending the federal
• 43:40
  Speaker 13: government is doing in the remaining part of this financial year.
• 43:45
  Speaker 13: And my EFO confirms that real spending, that's spending over
• 43:49
  Speaker 13: and above inflation, will grow by four point five percent
• 43:53
  Speaker 13: this financial year. So petrol's being poured on the flames.
• 43:59
  Speaker 13: Just disregard the Ford estimates, Peter, their complete fiction.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I said they are a fiscal astrology and about
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: as reliable as a fortune teller. At the top of
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: the program, obviously big, there is defense, we need more
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: of that, but that's not where the focus is. The
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: government loves to spend money on the social care economy,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I call it the endis Obviously there hasn't been enough
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: structural reform. I know these concerns, particularly about the cash
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: rate likely to move next year. A lot of the
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: banks are warning were headed for rate rises in February.
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  Speaker 2: How much credence do you give that?
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  Speaker 13: Well, I don't give a lot of credence to the
• 44:41
  Speaker 13: bank economists, Peter, because four or five months ago they
• 44:44
  Speaker 13: are all saying that interest rates would be three percent
• 44:47
  Speaker 13: at the end of the year. I give credence to
• 44:49
  Speaker 13: the fact that the RBA had not got underlying inflation
• 44:54
  Speaker 13: within the target in February when it cut the cash
• 44:57
  Speaker 13: rate before the election, and in the court course of
• 45:00
  Speaker 13: the year, Peter, with the Trump tariffs and with the
• 45:03
  Speaker 13: recovery in domestic demand, the RBA board's got the calls
• 45:07
  Speaker 13: wrong on several occasions. So we've got two culprits here.
• 45:11
  Speaker 13: We've got an RBA board that's too political and frankly
• 45:14
  Speaker 13: too close to the treasure in the government. Michelle Bullock
• 45:17
  Speaker 13: needs to really re establish credibility next year. And secondly,
• 45:21
  Speaker 13: we've got a treasurer Jim Chalmers who's increasing real spending
• 45:26
  Speaker 13: by four point five percent this year, adding fuel to
• 45:30
  Speaker 13: the fire.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: What else struck you in the numbers today.
• 45:38
  Speaker 13: Well, I suppose that's the main thing. A real labor treasurer, Peter,
• 45:41
  Speaker 13: like a Bill Hayden for Whitlam or Paul Keating. They
• 45:45
  Speaker 13: would have seen the inflationary crisis and the supply side
• 45:48
  Speaker 13: crisis and economy you know what they would have done.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about.
• 45:50
  Speaker 13: A conservative treasure I'm talking about a labor treasurer. They
• 45:53
  Speaker 13: would have pledged to cut spending this year to take
• 45:57
  Speaker 13: pressure off inflation down to zero or one percent in
• 46:01
  Speaker 13: real terms. They would have taken control of the NDS
• 46:03
  Speaker 13: and shut it to new members, and then looked at
• 46:07
  Speaker 13: ways to get less than profoundly disabled people out of
• 46:10
  Speaker 13: this program because the NDAs is going to kill Medicare.
• 46:13
  Speaker 13: If anything's going to kill Medicare, it's the NDIS that's
• 46:15
  Speaker 13: going to.
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  Speaker 1: Swallow up the budget.
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  Speaker 13: Thirdly, a real treasurer would have convened a meeting with
• 46:19
  Speaker 13: their state counterparts Peter and told them to reign in
• 46:22
  Speaker 13: their spending to make Michelle Bullook's job easier. That's what
• 46:26
  Speaker 13: a real treasurer would have done. So I don't attach
• 46:28
  Speaker 13: any importance to my IFO Jim Charmers. Everything he says
• 46:31
  Speaker 13: about the budget is either a misstatement or a diversion.
• 46:36
  Speaker 13: Look at the dollars going out the door, and look
• 46:39
  Speaker 13: at the absence of a real labor treasurer responding to inflation.
• 46:44
  Speaker 13: From Jim Charmers, that is a scarifying assessment.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Given you've come out of trushury. I can't disagree with it,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: particularly because I think the reason why they're putting the
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: money out the door in the immediate spending is that
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: are trying to buy votes in the hope that people
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: don't blame the government for inflation. And I think that's
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: where the political spin of this government, this treasure, at
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: this Prime Minister, the whole box and dice, all of them,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: is almost at epidemic levels. I got to leave it there, David,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: amount of time, but thank you very much. Coming up,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: we have some very important words, words relevant to this terrible,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: terrible week with Kel after the break jentlemy now, and
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I think this is probably the last time in twenty
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: twenty five. I wish they were better words Our Woods Smith,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: extraordinary Kel Richards. I feel that we have to go
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: through these words again because we do not want people
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: to not understand fully what they've been given. They are
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: repeated now at nauseum, day in, day out. Anti anti Semitism, Kel,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: take us through that one again.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: Came into English in eighteen eighty during to respond actually
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: to some vile things being said by a German politician,
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: editor and so on, a man named Wilhelm mar And
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: he kept referring to Jews as Semites. So the response
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: to him was anti Semitism. That's where the word was born.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: There's a definition from the International Holocaust Alliance. Can I
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: read it to you? It says antisemitism is a certain
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred towards Jews. Now,
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: Julian Siegel wants that to be acknowledged by the federal government,
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: which I think is a great idea. But as can
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: I just say, as a wordsmith, I think brevity and
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: clarity is important, and anti Semitism can be said in
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: two words. It is jew hatred. It is as simple
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: and clear as that.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: I want it to be absolutely hitting people between the eyes,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: that is what it is. I do want it to
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: be a clever way for it to be hidden. What
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: about terrorism, what's the origin of that one?
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: Kelm a French word originally from the French Revolution, from
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: the time of the Reign of Terror and Pierre was
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: doing horrible things. And it means to use intimidation to
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: exercise power, So trying to get people to do what
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: you want them to do by using intimidation. And that's
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: still what terrorism is. It is intimidating people.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Radical Islamists or radical.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: Islamism, Okay, radical comes from the Latin word radics, which
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: means root. So being radical means basically going back to
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: your roots. Now, for the radical Islamist like the Wahabi movement,
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: for example, it means going back to Muhammad. Now, Muhammad
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: led armies into battle, he executed his enemies, so it's
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: easy for them to interpret that in the twenty first
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: centuries not meaning some sort of spiritual battle, but a
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: violent physical battle. And that's by going back to their roots.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: The radics, the radical that's what they're interpreting it as meaning.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: So many of the fundamentals take a very literalist view
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: of the Quran, and that's why that term is what
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: Jihad exactly exactly. You're quite right, Jihad means holy war.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: It actually they sometimes try to say, no, it doesn't
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: mean anything like that.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: The literal meaning of the Arabic word is struggle.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: It's been in English since eighteen thirty four, but it
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: clearly means fighting for Islam, so it means a holy war.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: And caliphate. Do we have time for that one kill?
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: Well, it's the area governed by a khaliph, and a
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: khaliph is the chief rule of both religious and civil
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: in Sunni Islam. So it's a sort of getting rid
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: of the wall between the mosque and the government.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: They become the one.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the state they want to, not just
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: the state as we know with boundaries, but this is
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: the state of the world they want. I'll leave it there, Kell,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: thank you for a wonderful year. I wish, as I said,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: we've ended on a high note with Kel, but that's
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: where we are. We'll so you read tomorrow night at
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Six's Andrew