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Jackson Jobe, Riley Greene & A Critical Week Ahead · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome in to another episode of Tiger Territory, part
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Speaker 1: of the Foul Territory Nowhere, Detroit Tiger's podcast.
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Speaker 2: I'm Kieren Steckley.
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Speaker 1: Whitney, as always a man who doesn't necessarily wish they
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Speaker 1: were all California girls.
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Speaker 2: Yes, goy saving and how are we doing?
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Speaker 3: Turn all right, Kieran. It is August and we have
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Speaker 3: a playoff chase. Imagine imagine saying those words in May
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Speaker 3: at the end of May. And we talked what would
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Speaker 3: have to happen, Well, the Tigers would have to play
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Speaker 3: really good baseball for a prolonged period. They would have
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Speaker 3: to play at above a six hundred clip for all
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Speaker 3: of June and all of July. And here we are,
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Speaker 3: and they have done just that. They are one game
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Speaker 3: out of a playoff spot at the time we were
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Speaker 3: recording this, and just to even be here, to even
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Speaker 3: have the Tigers still this interesting this late in the season.
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Speaker 3: When you look back, Hey, that's that's pretty good. It's
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Speaker 3: quite the accomplishment.
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Speaker 1: Well it's quite the accomplishment, but it's it's it's almost
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Speaker 1: uh and we're gonna learn a lot this week. So
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Speaker 1: we're recording this Monday afternoon obviously a big, big home
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Speaker 1: stretch here this week for the Tigers. We're gonna learn
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Speaker 1: a lot this week and the we're gonna figure out
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Speaker 1: whether the expression we didn't come this far to go
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Speaker 1: this far is in play or not, because, like you know,
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Speaker 1: Seattle not necessarily going in the right direction. We know
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Speaker 1: about Sacramento though give them credit, they had a nice
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Speaker 1: series win against Boston, and then obviously San Francisco. We
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Speaker 1: know the directions they're going. So it's not exactly a
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Speaker 1: murder's row of opponents here on the West coast trip.
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Speaker 1: But you go, but you still go seven to two.
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Speaker 1: You come out of it with overall the best run
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Speaker 1: differential in the American League, which is the funniest thing
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Speaker 1: to just kind of keep looking at when you either
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Speaker 1: want to be encouraged or discouraged about about the state
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Speaker 1: of the Tigers. But yeah, second place in the AL
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Speaker 1: Central just seems quite weird to say, two games under
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Speaker 1: five hundred, like they're that there's a chance, Cody, We're
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Speaker 1: we're talking about all these things kind of being extremely
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Speaker 1: in the positive. Uh here this week doing this podcast,
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Speaker 1: and and I'll tell you, like we we talked a
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Speaker 1: lot about the offense. Uh, you know, last time we
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Speaker 1: had an episode and and I'm and I and I
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Speaker 1: think that's because it's refreshing giving what we saw earlier
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Speaker 1: in the year.
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Speaker 2: But I'm getting like.
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Speaker 1: I would almost say, I'm struggling to come up with
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Speaker 1: more ways to talk about the starting pitching, because like,
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Speaker 1: how how many times can you just kind of go
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Speaker 1: like Troy Melton future Ace question.
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Speaker 2: Mark, Yeah, I guess.
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Speaker 1: Every time, every time out and then you throw in
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Speaker 1: Jackson Joe, and maybe that's a maybe that's a good
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Speaker 1: place to kind of go right here. Cody Jackson job
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Speaker 1: makes his debut on Saturday. He goes five mannings. He
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Speaker 1: doesn't give up a run as four K's one hit.
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Speaker 1: I think he hit triple digits on like the third
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Speaker 1: or fourth pitch like it was.
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Speaker 2: It was.
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Speaker 1: It was something very very quickly, and it made me think, like,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's Tommy John long recovery, you know, the
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Speaker 1: adrenaline all that stuff. But he did actually perform like
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Speaker 1: someone who was maybe making his fourth or fifth start
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Speaker 1: coming off a long layoff as opposed to his first one.
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Speaker 1: I came away very encouraged. I mean, how good you
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Speaker 1: not from not just like not just the pure stuff.
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Speaker 2: But he actually performed.
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Speaker 3: More like a.
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Speaker 1: Pitcher than I think I expected given the long layoffs,
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Speaker 1: how young he is in general.
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Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
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Speaker 3: No, it does. I mean Jackson Joe pretty fun to watch.
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Speaker 3: Dan Dickerson was just kind of raving bou him, just
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Speaker 3: kind of laughing at times when Joe would would throw
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Speaker 3: on past. Somebody. Look, and anyone who's really glued in
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Speaker 3: on the Tigers knows what to actually be looking for
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Speaker 3: with Jackson job it's how much swing and miss can
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Speaker 3: he get? How much can he get out of too
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Speaker 3: strike counts, and how's the force seamer going to perform?
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Speaker 3: So the four scene, he got a seventeen percent swinging
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Speaker 3: strike rate with it in that outing. That was up
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Speaker 3: from six percent last season. Six percent swinging strike rate
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Speaker 3: on the four seamer it was unusually low. It been
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Speaker 3: unusually low throughout his time in the minor leagues. So
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Speaker 3: just to see him be able to miss some bats
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Speaker 3: or even induce foul balls with that pitch rather than
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Speaker 3: giving up contact or loud contact, is a big step
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Speaker 3: forward the rest of his arsenal. I don't know that
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Speaker 3: there's that much more to say. Man, He's he's pretty nasty.
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Speaker 3: And you're right, if he can be a little bit
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Speaker 3: more of a pitcher and solve whatever it is that
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Speaker 3: has caused that four seemed to be too hittable. This
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Speaker 3: is another guy who could be a frontline starter quote
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Speaker 3: unquote future ace and no time. He has more work
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Speaker 3: to do to get there, but pretty good first start.
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Speaker 3: Definitely didn't look other than the limited pitch count. Didn't
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Speaker 3: really look like a guy who had missed you know,
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Speaker 3: fourteen sixteen months whatever it is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, we had talked about the importance
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Speaker 1: of of him performing well, you know, prior to his debut,
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Speaker 1: and of course I almost worry, like, is there gonna
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Speaker 1: be too much pressure on some of these guys? And
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Speaker 1: and look, but you can even transition to this with
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Speaker 1: like someone like Max Clark, since they're both young and
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Speaker 1: you know, still in the in the prospect area. Like
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Speaker 1: I I think it's fun that some of these guys
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Speaker 1: are now in the thick of a playoff race, as
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Speaker 1: you put it, But it's also there is somewhat of
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Speaker 1: a of a concern element there that like, is this
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Speaker 1: is this like too much too soon for some of
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Speaker 1: these guys, because you know, Joe you know, he's pitching
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Speaker 1: the playoffs and he came in late in the twenty
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Speaker 1: fourth season, but never never has he been in a
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Speaker 1: playoff push as a starting pitcher. Right that this is
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Speaker 1: all gonna be new for him, and so like, I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying I'm worried, but that's something I'm looking out
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Speaker 1: for to see if it plays out. And if it
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Speaker 1: doesn't play out, then I'm gonna have like a lot
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Speaker 1: of super latives about Jackson job the the guy that
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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily have to get into, uh right now.
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Speaker 1: And then why don't we kind of go because it's
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Speaker 1: fresh on the mind, Codey go to to Sunday's game
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Speaker 1: and and and how that played out because you mentioned
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Speaker 1: Melton Ace, you know what, what was awesome. But the bullpen,
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Speaker 1: I think we're starting to get like a a usual
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Speaker 1: pattern of the way AJ is gonna have to kind
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Speaker 1: of go about these close games. And it's gonna We've
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Speaker 1: talked about before. It's gonna have some combination of Kyle
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Speaker 1: Finn again, Drew Summers, ken Lee Jansen and then you
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Speaker 1: know Tyler Holton there at the end and Jansen Trice
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Speaker 1: out the side, Somemmers induces a.
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Speaker 2: Key double play.
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Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying I was comfortable watching it the
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Speaker 1: entire time, but I do kind of feel like in
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Speaker 1: a game like that where you can, you know, A,
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Speaker 1: you can get a series win. B you're going into
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Speaker 1: an off day and you're coming home, you're wrapping up
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Speaker 1: a long road trip. The intangible pressures of that game
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Speaker 1: I thought actually was important for them to come out
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Speaker 1: on top in success, even though in the grand scheme
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Speaker 1: of things, it wouldn't have been that big a deal.
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Speaker 1: We still wouldn't talking positively was a six and three
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Speaker 1: road trip, right, But the fact that they were able
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Speaker 1: to cobble it together and get the win and then he,
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Speaker 1: like I said, Holton.
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Speaker 2: Closed it out.
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Speaker 1: I thought that was a really big test for those guys,
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Speaker 1: especially Somers, who kind of showed us everything about him
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Speaker 1: in that outing, including the double play.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm still not anointing this bullpen yet. It's a
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Speaker 3: lot easier to win games when you're scoring eight plus runs.
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Speaker 3: Summers did get the big double play ball, but if
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Speaker 3: that ball's a foot or two more up the middle
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Speaker 3: of glib tourres isn't getting that ball, and we're having
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Speaker 3: a very different discussion. That's a pretty hairy inning from
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Speaker 3: Drew Summers. Now kim Lee Jansen, on the other hand,
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Speaker 3: really impressive ninth punching, punching out the side, you know.
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Speaker 3: Talking to Kimley after the trade deadline, he was saying,
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Speaker 3: how much did the team change? Did the lineup change? No,
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Speaker 3: did the bullpen change? No, that the bulk of this
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Speaker 3: team that is actually on the field every day is
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Speaker 3: the same. That was kind of his point. He said, Hey,
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Speaker 3: we have to be better. Let's start with me. And
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Speaker 3: he's come out and really the last couple of times
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Speaker 3: out we've seen a better version of Kinley Janssen. That's
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Speaker 3: a huge one man to be able to navigate the
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Speaker 3: ninth inning, that's imperative. Tyler Holton, same thing. A guy
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Speaker 3: who's really been up and down all season, hasn't quite
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Speaker 3: been able to be consistently the reliable Tyler Holten that
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Speaker 3: we know. For him to execute, for him to be
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Speaker 3: able to throw his slider and have success, for the
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Speaker 3: command to look a little more refined, that's big. You
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Speaker 3: need the those guys to keep doing it. You would
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Speaker 3: like to avoid any of the more trouble that that
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Speaker 3: Drew Summers found himself in.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, and in fairness to Summers there
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Speaker 1: like he also had some bad bad ball look in
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Speaker 1: that ending too. So you know, if we want to say,
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Speaker 1: like you know that, but if the ball is like
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Speaker 1: a little bit this way, well he might not have
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Speaker 1: been that situation at the ball was a little bit
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Speaker 1: this way earlier in the in the ending.
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Speaker 2: So I mean that's how it is.
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Speaker 1: It all kind of evens out like I could, like
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Speaker 1: I said, I'm I'm not gonna I'm not gonna quit
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Speaker 1: any vices watching this ball pen I but I did
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Speaker 1: believe that it was important for them to kind of
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Speaker 1: see the success in that sort of situation there. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: good on them to close it out strong. All right,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna get to a quick break and then afterward
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to figure out the right way to
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Speaker 2: All right, coming back here, Cody.
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Speaker 1: The name of this topic is is Riley Green the
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Speaker 1: most maligned three time All Star by his own fan
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Speaker 1: base of any guy in Major League Baseball? Because when
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Speaker 1: he goes through stretches where he's not connecting on on
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Speaker 1: on pitches, he's striking out a little bit more, you know,
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Speaker 1: has some chase.
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Speaker 2: He tends to get.
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Speaker 1: Ridiculed at a level where I just kind of think look,
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Speaker 1: he's obviously not a perfect player, but we don't have
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Speaker 1: to kind of dissect Riley Green in a way that
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Speaker 1: he is not some sort of established He doesn't have
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Speaker 1: any sort of establishment in this game, which he does
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Speaker 1: by the way, So like we do things with with
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Speaker 1: Riley Green that I just don't think are quite frankly fair.
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Speaker 1: And again, there are instances where you can, you know,
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Speaker 1: you can criticize a player and say, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: he's not doing this, you know correctly, he's got to
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Speaker 1: be more consistent like that, that that that is all
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Speaker 1: well and good. But I but I just don't believe
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Speaker 1: you should kind of go to the extreme that sometimes
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Speaker 1: people take the Riley Green conversation. Given his successes and
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Speaker 1: given the fact that he is one of the more
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Speaker 1: with a team in a franchise in Flux a lot
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Speaker 1: this year, he's been one of your more stable pieces
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Speaker 1: at worst, that's like the worst thing you should be
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Speaker 1: able to say about him. So I just don't understand,
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Speaker 1: like the discourse around Riley Green, it must be a
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Speaker 1: look thing. It just looks bad because of kind of
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Speaker 1: his like quirks. That's the only thing I could think of.
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Speaker 3: I do think that's part of it the aesthetics, or
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Speaker 3: you know, sometimes just the chases, the empty It doesn't
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Speaker 3: make you feel good when you see that. But the
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Speaker 3: overall point here into what you just said is spot one.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that it's worse for Riley than anyone
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Speaker 3: in baseball. Unfortunately, there's something about human psychology that has
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Speaker 3: star players get criticized.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 3: You become a star player and then everyone expects you
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Speaker 3: to do great all the time, and that's just not reality.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this happens with Francisco Lindor with the Mets,
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Speaker 3: or Gunner Henderson with the Orioles, or you know, especially
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Speaker 3: in those big markets, you hear a lot of this.
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Speaker 3: Riley obviously is going through it a little bit right now.
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Speaker 3: He's hitting one ninety three over his last fifteen games,
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Speaker 3: seventeen strikeouts and fifty seven at bats. It's actually not terrible,
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Speaker 3: but twelve strikeouts in the last twenty eight at bats,
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Speaker 3: you know he has I always wonder about the fatigue
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Speaker 3: level with him. We know he hasn't gotten off his
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Speaker 3: feet much this year. AJ did find ways to get
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Speaker 3: him off off his feet a couple times recently when
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Speaker 3: the Tigers have big lead, but we've seen him kind
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Speaker 3: of break down in the second half before. Two years ago,
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Speaker 3: it was with an injury. Last year it was with
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Speaker 3: just really rough performance. So far this year the performance
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Speaker 3: has tapered off. I don't know if there's anything to
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Speaker 3: that or not, but that'd be my theory. They just
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Speaker 3: looks a little more fatigue, doesn't look like he's quite
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Speaker 3: in his legs, like the hitting saying like he has
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Speaker 3: really good feel at the plate. He doesn't look like
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Speaker 3: he feels strong at the plate. This might be just
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Speaker 3: one of those ebbs that happens, and maybe he will
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Speaker 3: pick it up. But I do think it is something
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Speaker 3: to watch because for his underappreciated as Riley Green very
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Speaker 3: much can be. He is a very important part of
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Speaker 3: this team for them to stay in this playoff run.
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Speaker 3: You would like to get a better version of Riley
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Speaker 3: Green than you've been getting the past couple of weeks.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know that's one of the things that
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Speaker 1: makes makes this run in part pretty impressive. And we'll
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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about Glaber later, but in the
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Speaker 1: past two weeks, this is per t Tig's dad on Twitter.
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Speaker 1: The Tigers are scoring nearly nine runs a game, right
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Speaker 1: but that's with Green batting a solid one fifty eight
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Speaker 1: and Torre is batting a cool two thirteen. So like
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Speaker 1: like things are happening despite some slumps here. And I
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Speaker 1: do agree, Like, if you're gonna have a Riley Green conversation,
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Speaker 1: the wear and tear piece of it does kind of
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Speaker 1: need to lead the thought process, I would say, And
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Speaker 1: we we've talked about this. Really, I'll give you credit.
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Speaker 1: I feel like opening day was probably two weeks and
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Speaker 1: two weeks into the season, you're like, all right, you know,
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Speaker 1: should should.
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Speaker 2: We get in some up dates for Riley Green here?
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Speaker 1: You know, And it hasn't really happened all that much,
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Speaker 1: but I'm looking at his splits. He has kind of
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Speaker 1: tampered off a little bit. But remember when we were
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Speaker 1: having conversations about the power he only had four entering
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Speaker 1: June first, and you know he had you know, he
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Speaker 1: had seven home runs in the UH in the month
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Speaker 1: of June.
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Speaker 2: But he's slowly.
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Speaker 1: Kind of you know, declined on the overall efficiency. But
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Speaker 1: then again to seventy three with a whatever I have
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Speaker 1: to find it in front of me, with an ops
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Speaker 1: of of one to twenty five. Again, he's a he
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Speaker 1: started the all Star Team started the All Star Game.
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Speaker 2: I just feel like.
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Speaker 1: Players should be allowed to have slumps and then you
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Speaker 1: can kind of take contextualize them and you can say, like,
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Speaker 1: this is my concern level without making it seem like
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Speaker 1: you have to kind of diminish his status.
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Speaker 2: And I think we we do that.
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Speaker 1: With Riley Green more uh than we ought to given
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Speaker 1: his track record.
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Speaker 2: So that would be that would be my overall point there.
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Speaker 3: I think that's well said. We can acknowledge it doesn't
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Speaker 3: have to be a big deal, but we can keep
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Speaker 3: an eye on it because it has the potential to
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Speaker 3: become a big deal.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing's a big deal until it's a big deal.
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Speaker 1: And I would, and I would.
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Speaker 3: Riley Green's Riley Green's good player. You gonna be all right?
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Speaker 2: Okay, well then, you know I just mentioned him.
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Speaker 1: What about Labor, who you know, I feel like hasn't
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Speaker 1: necessarily been able to get off the ground a little
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Speaker 1: bit and he had, you know, you want to talk
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Speaker 1: about things aesthetically not looking great, you know, Glabor to it,
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Speaker 1: I guess you could say to his credit or to
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Speaker 1: you know, or as a way to ding him a
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Speaker 1: little bit, you know, when he when he's not able
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Speaker 1: to beat out an infield single that I would say
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Speaker 1: most would be able to get the first base on it,
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Speaker 1: does quote unquote look bad or if he can't get
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Speaker 1: to a ball at second base, he's still having the
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Speaker 1: at that quality that warrants the you know, the placement
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Speaker 1: in the lineup.
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Speaker 2: But I don't. I don't think.
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Speaker 1: I'm starting to tell me if I'm getting too far.
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Speaker 2: Here, Cody.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to choose my words carefully. Does the play
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Speaker 1: of how You Lee does it warrant a little bit
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Speaker 1: of a difference in rotation? I guess is the is
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Speaker 1: the way I would put it it? Can can you
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Speaker 1: automatically can you automatically do the glabor thing right now?
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Speaker 1: If how Yu Lee is hitting the way that he
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Speaker 1: is hitting, playing the way that he is playing, And
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Speaker 1: I don't, you know, I don't know what the defensive
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Speaker 1: metrics are, but I don't think there's a sprawling difference defensively.
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Speaker 1: Can you make more of the league conversation?
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Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. I don't.
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Speaker 3: I don't think the metrics actually reflect that Glaber has
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Speaker 3: been like great metrically this year for the first time ever.
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Speaker 3: Somehow so anyway, I don't know about how that playing
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Speaker 3: time divides up. I'm surprised we haven't seen a little
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Speaker 3: bit more how you lee. I thought we would see
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Speaker 3: some more Glabor at DH, how you Lee at second base,
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Speaker 3: particularly with Kerry Carpenter on the injured list, it hasn't
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Speaker 3: quite shaped out that way. I'll be very curious to
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Speaker 3: see how a J. Hinch ends up managing that, because
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Speaker 3: that's that's one of the things about bringing up next Clark.
17:53
Speaker 3: You're seeing Hobby at short. That means more Kevin third,
17:56
Speaker 3: That means more Colts at DH, and that means someone
17:59
Speaker 3: has to be the odd man out. The odd man
18:01
Speaker 3: out generally, isn't your twenty nine year old veteran that
18:04
Speaker 3: you're paying twenty two million dollars. But Glaber torrez Kieren
18:09
Speaker 3: his sprint speed has declined to twenty five point two
18:13
Speaker 3: feet per second this time a year ago is twenty
18:16
Speaker 3: six point two, So a whole foot per second he's lost.
18:19
Speaker 3: He's down into the bottom eight percentile in sprint speed.
18:24
Speaker 3: That's not good for a guy who is twenty nine.
18:28
Speaker 3: Glabor just has not quite looked right to me since
18:32
Speaker 3: that second oblique injury. I don't know if he's still
18:34
Speaker 3: dealing with that or maybe something else. But he looks
18:38
Speaker 3: like he did around this time last year when it
18:40
Speaker 3: turns out he was playing through a hernia. He just
18:44
Speaker 3: doesn't look healthy. It's not pretty. Twenty second percent Island
18:49
Speaker 3: sprint speed last year all the way down to the
18:51
Speaker 3: eight percentile. To me, that's really concerning. I have to
18:55
Speaker 3: think that's one reason the Tigers didn't move him at
18:57
Speaker 3: the deadline. Although teams needed right handed I don't think
19:01
Speaker 3: a lot of teams really specifically needed second base help.
19:05
Speaker 3: And Glaber's just kind of limited, and in terms of
19:08
Speaker 3: he can't play anywhere else, the Tigers haven't asked him
19:11
Speaker 3: to play anywhere else. Teams could certainly look at all
19:15
Speaker 3: these things as as potential red flags, and maybe they
19:18
Speaker 3: didn't want to give up assets for him. Glaber tour
19:22
Speaker 3: As you're right, the approach is really good, Like the
19:25
Speaker 3: consistency is still good. But the bat speed has dropped too,
19:29
Speaker 3: all right. The bat speed is down from seventy miles
19:32
Speaker 3: an hour last year to sixty seven. The fast swing
19:35
Speaker 3: rate was eleven percent last year, it's two point nine percent.
19:40
Speaker 3: There are there are some big flashing lights right now
19:43
Speaker 3: that have me a little bit concerned. So yeah, maybe
19:46
Speaker 3: a solution is get the guy off his feet, just
19:48
Speaker 3: play how you leave?
19:49
Speaker 1: Well, okay, because that's the difference between like the Green
19:54
Speaker 1: conversation and the Torres conversation is that.
19:57
Speaker 2: There are there is a ready made.
20:00
Speaker 1: Solution to like get Torres off his feet problem in
20:04
Speaker 1: how you lee and then hell if you want to
20:06
Speaker 1: if you you know, if the roster shake shakeout breaks
20:09
Speaker 1: out a different way, like Max Anderson, I think is
20:12
Speaker 1: certainly capable of having a shot at you know, at
20:15
Speaker 1: you know, playing second base in the Major Leguese. These
20:17
Speaker 1: are two right handed bats, whereas Riley Green. It's like,
20:21
Speaker 1: what what are you gonna do? Like, you don't really
20:23
Speaker 1: have any options that you could feel good about.
20:26
Speaker 3: No, we don't need to be talking about taking Riley
20:28
Speaker 3: Green out of the lineup.
20:29
Speaker 2: Other than you.
20:29
Speaker 1: But I'm saying like, like, may so it's not really
20:32
Speaker 1: the same. Well it's not the same because we'll just
20:35
Speaker 1: like get off your feet. That get them off their
20:37
Speaker 1: feet thing, Like if you're if that's your concern, you
20:40
Speaker 1: don't have even if there's no high you leaf for
20:42
Speaker 1: the attiger's outfield.
20:43
Speaker 3: My concern is not really get Glaver off his feet.
20:45
Speaker 3: It's like Glaver is declining massively and I don't know
20:49
Speaker 3: what to make of that.
20:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, so and these are the things because
20:57
Speaker 1: like as as much as like the you know, the
21:00
Speaker 1: record since June first, they're you know, run differential is
21:03
Speaker 1: this and you know, all these kind of mestrics that
21:05
Speaker 1: you love. Really no matter what, it's going to be
21:08
Speaker 1: tied at the end, Cody. So every kind of little
21:10
Speaker 1: like decision point is going to have ramifications.
21:13
Speaker 2: And and.
21:15
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of throwing it out there, like, is
21:18
Speaker 1: there a point where if Glabor is just declining and
21:21
Speaker 1: all these options maybe because he's hurt, you know, like
21:23
Speaker 1: you know, give him, give him some credence there, Like,
21:26
Speaker 1: how how long can you stick with it? I think
21:29
Speaker 1: that's just an on August tenth, that's a question I
21:31
Speaker 1: think is fair. So that was something we will monitor
21:35
Speaker 1: here moving forward. All Right, we're going to get to
21:39
Speaker 1: a quick break and then afterward we're gonna talk some
21:42
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Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, so you know. I'm sure
22:53
Speaker 1: you guys have seen the graphic about the record of
22:55
Speaker 1: the Dodgers since since school, since the trade for Trek
22:59
Speaker 1: Schooble and the Tigers records since then, and we're not
23:02
Speaker 1: here to make over arching statements about that.
23:05
Speaker 2: It is.
23:05
Speaker 1: It is one of the more kind of amusing things
23:09
Speaker 1: a monitor. I'm not you know, I don't want to
23:11
Speaker 1: speak for you know, the entire fan base, but I'm
23:13
Speaker 1: not rooted against Trek Schooble, all right, but it is
23:16
Speaker 1: just a funny little quirk about baseball, I would say.
23:19
Speaker 1: But Trek Scooble was on part in my take Cody,
23:22
Speaker 1: And by the way, if you go and watch that interview,
23:26
Speaker 1: looks familiar. It looks like the same same office he
23:29
Speaker 1: was in for our interview when he came on the
23:31
Speaker 1: podcast couple of years ago. So that was kind of funny.
23:33
Speaker 1: But anyway, the big headline is he is not closing
23:38
Speaker 1: the door on a potential return to Detroit. In part
23:42
Speaker 1: I'll just read one of the quotes here. Hopefully they
23:45
Speaker 1: being the Tigers, are involved with everything. I would love
23:48
Speaker 1: to return. I've got nothing but good things to say
23:50
Speaker 1: about the city of Detroit. The manager of the coaching staff,
23:53
Speaker 1: the trainers, the teammates, and then you know, he had
23:55
Speaker 1: some other quotes in there about how the season didn't
23:57
Speaker 1: go according to plan for him. Is well, I would
24:00
Speaker 1: quote I would love to play my whole career in Detroit.
24:02
Speaker 1: I would love to And hopefully those negotiations can pick
24:05
Speaker 1: back up in November once the playoffs are done.
24:07
Speaker 2: We'll see where that goes.
24:10
Speaker 1: Kind of a peculiar thing, I think is a good
24:13
Speaker 1: way to summarize it, Cody. For a guy to you know,
24:15
Speaker 1: be talking about his former team like that while he's
24:17
Speaker 1: you know, in the middle of a you know, trying
24:20
Speaker 1: to go for the three peat with the Los Angeles Dodgers,
24:23
Speaker 1: it does It is strange, is it not? Is it
24:26
Speaker 1: strange that we're kind of still like going through.
24:28
Speaker 3: This, Yeah, Trek Scoople just got traded and we're responding
24:32
Speaker 3: to something he said on part in my take, I mean,
24:35
Speaker 3: that's that's that whole thing, And it's like, what this
24:38
Speaker 3: says a lot about the modern media environment, and here
24:41
Speaker 3: we are like responding to it. So I guess part
24:43
Speaker 3: of the problem. You know a lot of people over
24:46
Speaker 3: the past year or two years have kind of accused
24:49
Speaker 3: scoople of doing what Scott Bors wants them to do,
24:54
Speaker 3: saying what Scott Bors wants him to say. I was
24:57
Speaker 3: never really I didn't think that was fair or accurate
25:01
Speaker 3: or even all that true other than yeah, he was
25:03
Speaker 3: always gonna test free agency. This was one of the
25:07
Speaker 3: first times I was like, Okay, I feel like that
25:09
Speaker 3: is a Scott Boris likes to create markets or the
25:13
Speaker 3: appearance of markets well before players are even on the market.
25:17
Speaker 3: This is just how it goes. That seemed like someone
25:21
Speaker 3: got in his ear and say, Hey, if anyone to
25:23
Speaker 3: ask you about Detroit, don't rule him out. Don't make it,
25:26
Speaker 3: you know, don't make it seem like you're not going
25:27
Speaker 3: back there. You just never know, and you certainly want
25:31
Speaker 3: other teams to think all twenty nine other teams could
25:34
Speaker 3: also be bidding for your services. That's what I took
25:36
Speaker 3: that as. I mean, there is obviously, I think some
25:40
Speaker 3: authenticy to like, yeah, you like Detroit, he liked his
25:43
Speaker 3: time there, or whatever. I don't really know why he
25:46
Speaker 3: was spinning it forward to free agency or saying like, yeah,
25:50
Speaker 3: I hope the Tigers are involved, especially after not that
25:53
Speaker 3: long ago. He basically said he doesn't like the Tigers
25:55
Speaker 3: front office. So yeah, this was one of the first
25:58
Speaker 3: times it's like, okay, that seems like a Boris talking point.
26:01
Speaker 3: And also this seems like you probably shouldn't be really
26:05
Speaker 3: saying it that there's no point.
26:06
Speaker 1: So yeah, like my first reaction is it's okay, dude,
26:11
Speaker 1: Like it's okay, like we.
26:12
Speaker 2: All understand how we got here.
26:13
Speaker 1: We all understand like the parameters involved, and you know,
26:17
Speaker 1: these extenuating circumstances and everything, we all understand it.
26:21
Speaker 2: It's okay, Like you know it too.
26:23
Speaker 3: We talked about like is he just trying to explain
26:25
Speaker 3: himself out of things too much to his own detriment?
26:28
Speaker 3: And maybe this was some of that too, Like he
26:31
Speaker 3: knows he didn't leave Detroit with the the what's the
26:35
Speaker 3: way to put it? Like there were some fancy right,
26:38
Speaker 3: and I'm sure he doesn't. I'm sure he doesn't like that.
26:40
Speaker 3: So was he trying to like still be like, oh
26:43
Speaker 3: but I like it there. Remember I've said twenty eight
26:45
Speaker 3: million times that I liked Detroit. Yeah, I don't know.
26:50
Speaker 3: As I've said before, like it's tough being the schoogle
26:54
Speaker 3: And even though he's on the Dodgers now, I still
26:56
Speaker 3: feel that way feel like some of the treatments where
26:58
Speaker 3: everyone was unfair, but this one was a little bit.
27:00
Speaker 3: This one finally got me like okay, like that it
27:04
Speaker 3: wasn't necessary at all.
27:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, and as we spin forward here,
27:10
Speaker 1: you know, like I said at beginning, a crucial series,
27:14
Speaker 1: a couple series coming up for the Tigers with Cleveland
27:17
Speaker 1: Chicago being at co America Park. Uh, is there an
27:20
Speaker 1: element I know you weren't with the with the team
27:23
Speaker 1: and the San Francisco portion of the of the road trip,
27:26
Speaker 1: but is there an element of just like now that
27:30
Speaker 1: this thing is just like not here right now? Like
27:33
Speaker 1: the schoolbl stuff, the who are they going to trade?
27:35
Speaker 1: Like you know, like Jansen saying, like, well, who they
27:38
Speaker 1: really get rid of? It's basically the same team. Is
27:40
Speaker 1: there just an element of now now we just like
27:44
Speaker 1: look forward and and and and it's not like a
27:47
Speaker 1: detriment to my eyes or schoobul or anything like that.
27:51
Speaker 2: It's just like.
27:53
Speaker 3: Base I think that's real. I mean, I think a J.
27:55
Speaker 3: Hinschuld kind of sad it pretty openly that guys were
27:58
Speaker 3: aware of the deadline and talking about it every day,
28:01
Speaker 3: and it had kind of been that way for a
28:03
Speaker 3: month because I think there was just this fear of like,
28:06
Speaker 3: how many of us are still going to be here?
28:07
Speaker 3: And I don't yeah, I don't think it was like
28:09
Speaker 3: a Schooble thing. I think almost everyone in that room
28:13
Speaker 3: had to feel some level of uncertainty or not knowing
28:15
Speaker 3: what it meant or was the team going to be
28:17
Speaker 3: totally tore down and the second half was going to
28:20
Speaker 3: be a wash. And now you're past that, and it's like, damn, Okay,
28:24
Speaker 3: we did lose Schooble, we did lose Mies, but most
28:27
Speaker 3: of this team is actually still the same. There's some
28:31
Speaker 3: younger guys, some fresh faces. There's definitely a different energy.
28:36
Speaker 3: There's some leadership gune as we've talked about, but there's
28:38
Speaker 3: also kind of that just youthful energy, guys just trying
28:42
Speaker 3: to prove themselves, guys going out there to play. And
28:45
Speaker 3: clearly that has manifested so far to be a good thing.
28:48
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would have predicted it would
28:50
Speaker 3: have gone that way, but it has, and it's been
28:53
Speaker 3: kind of refreshing. It almost feels like a different team
28:56
Speaker 3: to me, even though they only lost a couple of guys,
28:59
Speaker 3: and like can add in Jake Rogers in there. But
29:02
Speaker 3: the the energy, the vibe, the most important contributors have
29:06
Speaker 3: have flipped pretty greatly in the past few days, and
29:10
Speaker 3: we'll see if it can continue. But yeah, it feels
29:12
Speaker 3: like a youthful, more youthful, kind of different, different era
29:16
Speaker 3: post trade deadline.
29:19
Speaker 1: Well post trade deadline, and with this stretch that they're
29:23
Speaker 1: on there now everyone's kind of favorite little hey no,
29:27
Speaker 1: remember that, don't forget about the Tigers, And this is
29:31
Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of a put up or shut
29:33
Speaker 1: up week And I can't wait to watch it, Cody,
29:35
Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch it. I can't wait to
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29:39
Speaker 1: thoughts with you.
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