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Doctor Doctor, Give me the News · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 4: we have a movie meltdown.
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  Speaker 5: tell me, I'm a doctor.
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  Speaker 1: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 7: I'm David.
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  Speaker 8: I'm Jacqueline.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Michael.
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  Speaker 7: And we are back for another Marvel Super Special.
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  Speaker 1: We're continuing our super series that we keep doing I
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  Speaker 1: guess we need to name this damn series we've done
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  Speaker 1: enough of them now so I guess it's the super
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  Speaker 1: series so this one can be the Marvel super special
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  Speaker 1: because you know we've hit Marvel more than anything but
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  Speaker 1: I know one of the previous ones for our intro
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  Speaker 1: we kind of did a little Netflix intro does anybody
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  Speaker 1: have any we'll do non-spoilery comments about Luke Cage I'm
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  Speaker 1: assuming at least there's been some minor interaction with that.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, sweet Christmas.
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  Speaker 7: I finished it this weekend, so I crammed it all in.
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  Speaker 4: I like it. It's good fun.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's really well done. Again, it's no different
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  Speaker 1: than I've said for every one of them. We're four
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  Speaker 1: in now, and every time I'm like, damn, this is good.
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  Speaker 4: It makes me excited for Iron Fist coming out.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's... I won't go too far into it, number one,
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  Speaker 1: to not get into spoilers in that area, but also
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  Speaker 1: because I'm going to come back to some points later
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  Speaker 1: that tie to it.
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  Speaker 7: Are you really worried about Luke Cage spoilers at this point?
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  Speaker 7: It's been like a month.
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  Speaker 10: Now, right?
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  Speaker 8: I haven't finished it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was going to say. How far
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  Speaker 4: in are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm about half done. Yeah, I was half done before
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  Speaker 1: this weekend. I crammed the rest in this weekend because
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  Speaker 1: I was just trying to be like, Okay, let's get going.
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  Speaker 4: So he's still trying to figure out that he doesn't
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  Speaker 4: want to do anything with his powers right now.
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  Speaker 9: Don't.
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  Speaker 4: He changes his mind on that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I figured that. I mean, you're bulletproof. Why
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  Speaker 1: would you want to go out in the world? I've
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  Speaker 1: seen the gifs. So I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I think that one's really well put together.
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  Speaker 1: The only thing I was going to say that I
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  Speaker 1: think is really impressive, and I started noticing it this
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  Speaker 1: weekend going through as many episodes as I did, I'm like, Writing-wise,
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  Speaker 1: they've all been really good, and we're coming into the
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  Speaker 1: last one with Jessica Jones. Luke was a great addition
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  Speaker 1: to that one, but she was also, like, a really cool,
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  Speaker 1: strong female character. This series is so loaded with strong, intellectual, capable.
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  Speaker 7: Misty Knight.
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  Speaker 1: Misty Knight is kind of the co-lead.
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  Speaker 7: She's already confirmed for Defenders. Like, it's damn near her series.
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  Speaker 7: They've already confirmed she'll be in Defenders. Yeah, I'm like, she's... Like,
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  Speaker 7: she will be around.
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  Speaker 1: She's almost the co-lead of this thing.
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  Speaker 7: I would like to see her somehow... This is stretching.
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  Speaker 7: But I would like to see her somehow end up
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  Speaker 7: in the Black Panther stuff. Just because I want her
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  Speaker 7: to get her arm. And I feel like if she's
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  Speaker 7: going to get the arm, it's somehow going to be
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  Speaker 7: with Black Panther.
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  Speaker 1: He was tourniqueting it off. And then later I saw them,
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  Speaker 1: like people were already like geeking out. And I was like, oh, well, maybe, no,
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's okay this time.
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  Speaker 7: But they're planting that seed.
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  Speaker 1: They're coming back.
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  Speaker 7: So I think that would be a great touch if
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  Speaker 7: somehow it was something in the Black Panther mythos that
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  Speaker 7: ends up kind of like being like, hey, we can
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  Speaker 7: help you out with your arm.
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  Speaker 1: Rosario Dawson's been good in all of them. I love
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  Speaker 1: that she's the crossover character and obviously everybody keeps it
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  Speaker 1: up in the hospital. It does make sense.
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  Speaker 7: How many nurse ladies do we have now?
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get one.
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  Speaker 7: That's with this one, Doctor Strange, we got another nurse lady.
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  Speaker 4: There's been multiple night nurses. Rosario Dawson's Nightmares wasn't ever
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  Speaker 4: the only one.
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  Speaker 7: There was its own comic, wasn't there? Wasn't there something
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  Speaker 7: just about the nurses that was like three nurses or something?
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  Speaker 4: I think it was something along the lines of how...
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  Speaker 4: Is it not the Wrecking Crew? Is it the Wrecking Crew?
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  Speaker 4: So there was a comic about the crew that came
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  Speaker 4: up and cleaned up after all the shit that would
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  Speaker 4: happen to the city when the Avengers would roll through
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  Speaker 4: with some villain and... You know, buildings topple over. There's
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  Speaker 4: like a cleanup crew that essentially comes in after them
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  Speaker 4: and assesses all the damage. They're kind of.
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  Speaker 7: Start the bill.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's $ 14 billion, Tony.
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  Speaker 7: Would you write us a check?
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  Speaker 4: They're kind of like an offshoot of S.H.I.E.L.D., but not
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  Speaker 4: exactly with S.H.I.E.L.D. And their whole point is just to
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  Speaker 4: get things put back together.
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  Speaker 7: That would suck.
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  Speaker 4: There was a short series about that group.
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  Speaker 7: Sucky job.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You've always got guaranteed work coming in because they are
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  Speaker 1: breaking shit in every movie.
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  Speaker 4: No doubt.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that would have been a fun angle in a
• 5:55
  Speaker 7: Civil War movie. Like, look, these guys, they have so
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  Speaker 7: much cleaning to do because of you.
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  Speaker 4: I think someone actually threw out a show pitch for
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  Speaker 4: this group that hasn't been picked up yet, if it may.
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  Speaker 4: For just the, you know, what happens to all the
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  Speaker 4: leftovers when everybody rolls through and busts up the city.
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  Speaker 7: It's kind of in the same ballpark as Powers a little,
• 6:19
  Speaker 7: because wasn't Powers just about, like, the average detective dudes
• 6:22
  Speaker 7: kind of, like, looking into, like, all the, like, side
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  Speaker 7: effects of everything, like, heroes do? I don't think it was, like,
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  Speaker 7: about them going after superheroes, but, like, everyone to superheroes, like,
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  Speaker 7: fucked up. It was like, oh, we need to go, like,
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  Speaker 7: take care of all these people. I didn't watch it,
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  Speaker 7: but I like, I read about it. Cause it was,
• 6:38
  Speaker 7: it was, I'm forgetting the comic names. It was like,
• 6:40
  Speaker 7: Oh boy, I wrote it. It was like good, but
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  Speaker 7: it was like, I don't know if I want to
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  Speaker 7: watch a detective show about them, like hunting people affiliated
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  Speaker 7: with super villains, but not the actual super villains.
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  Speaker 1: It was weird.
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  Speaker 7: They wanted to do that one notch away. Like it
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  Speaker 7: was still, yeah, it was, it was very weird. It
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  Speaker 7: was like, they wanted to go, well, we're still in
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  Speaker 7: that universe, but we're not actually going to directly connect
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  Speaker 7: with them.
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  Speaker 4: And it's like, We're going to go for the guys
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  Speaker 4: that we can manage.
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  Speaker 1: I would think it'd be pretty easy to outsmart the minions.
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: Just saying. They keep bumping into walls and shit. I
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  Speaker 1: think we can pin these guys down.
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  Speaker 7: I think that's what doesn't sell it for me on
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  Speaker 7: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. It's like, I get that you're in
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  Speaker 7: that same mythos, but it's just not directly connected enough
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  Speaker 7: to hold my interest. Even with this new....
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  Speaker 4: There's so many things that happen and they just don't
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  Speaker 4: cross over enough into the movies for it to really matter.
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  Speaker 1: To be that what should be connected. Like it'd be
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  Speaker 1: different if it was just in the same universe and
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  Speaker 1: this was a totally different, but I mean, it's still
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  Speaker 1: the same group. Like they should be completely interconnected and
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  Speaker 1: they aren't because they can't afford to be.
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  Speaker 7: I think there was a long, and I'm just, just
• 7:44
  Speaker 7: me just as a person that reads, I don't know
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  Speaker 7: that this was like this, but I think it was
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  Speaker 7: initially meant to kind of be a, a bookmark for
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  Speaker 7: like after infinity wars. I think they wanted to do
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  Speaker 7: the inhuman stuff and, Because there was a dated Inhumans movie,
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  Speaker 7: then they took that date away. And I think Agents
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  Speaker 7: of S.H.I.E.L.D., because they were dealing with that. So I
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  Speaker 7: thought maybe Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. was like on the side,
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  Speaker 7: going to start this Inhumans stuff. And then when Thanos happened,
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  Speaker 7: then it would like come to the forefront, like, oh
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  Speaker 7: my gosh, Inhumans. And that was, I think, going to
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  Speaker 7: be like the next arc. But if it is that way,
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  Speaker 7: they put it on the shelf.
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  Speaker 4: To help the world fight Thanos kind of thing.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I thought it was going to be something like that too.
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  Speaker 7: Because they hinted at Inhumans. Well, they were talking about
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  Speaker 7: Inhumans on the TV show. And I'm like, this is crazy.
• 8:26
  Speaker 7: You're talking about Inhumans here. You haven't even mentioned them
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  Speaker 7: in the theatrical universe.
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  Speaker 4: And he has this plan for like 2028 for an
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  Speaker 4: Inhumans movie.
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  Speaker 7: Man, I remember that calendar. I had like 20 superhero
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  Speaker 7: movies over the next 10 years. I'm like, how?
• 8:39
  Speaker 4: Just how?
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  Speaker 1: You have to plan ahead.
• 8:41
  Speaker 7: But I mean, you got to give it to them like,
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  Speaker 7: I saw some snippets today that was like, this is
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  Speaker 7: the 14th Marvel movie, and it's the 14th Marvel movie
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  Speaker 7: to be number one opening weekend. They're still doing it.
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  Speaker 7: Even if it's getting pretty formulaic now, it's like they're
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  Speaker 7: still doing it.
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  Speaker 1: There was an old guy next to me at the
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  Speaker 1: theater this weekend, and the double stinger comes on, and
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: everybody's like, all right. No, we got that last stinger.
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  Speaker 7: Well, he got up and went.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't really see him doing a sequel. I was like,
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: all right, for an old guy, that was pretty funny.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I was like kind of surprised he
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: was even there when he sat down. Cause he was
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: like easily like 60s, you know?
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  Speaker 7: I had a couple really old people in front of
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  Speaker 7: me too, where I was like asking myself, I was like,
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  Speaker 7: you don't have kids with you. You are here to
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  Speaker 7: see this Doctor Strange movie.
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  Speaker 1: He was there by himself and then made a smart-ass comment.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, good going, buddy.
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  Speaker 5: That's fun.
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  Speaker 4: So are we in Doctor Strange spoiler territory now?
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  Speaker 1: Not officially.
• 9:38
  Speaker 7: I'm ready to do Luke Cage when we can get
• 9:40
  Speaker 7: spoilery on it because it's hard not to talk about
• 9:43
  Speaker 7: the last half of that show.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that was my main thing, though. It's just
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: like looking at it from a structural standpoint, which, again,
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: I will come back to in the other one. But
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: that's the thing I want to give them mostly on
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  Speaker 1: this one is how many... Mostly because I'm comparing it
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  Speaker 1: to a lot of crap that's on network television. I'm like,
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of... Because that's when we also have...
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  Speaker 1: so many like cops that come into it. And we
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: have like we have Misty Knight, but then we have
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  Speaker 1: the Inspector Ridley, the whole second half, who's like, again,
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  Speaker 1: you assume she's going to be the same jackass, you know.
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  Speaker 1: internal affairs whoever's gonna come down on her but she
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  Speaker 1: ends up being a real.
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  Speaker 7: Cop she was good about playing the line because she
• 10:16
  Speaker 7: first came in like oh she's gonna she's gonna bust
• 10:18
  Speaker 7: her ovaries for the rest of the season and then
• 10:20
  Speaker 7: like she kind of ends up kind of being with
• 10:22
  Speaker 7: her later i'm like oh well i don't know i
• 10:24
  Speaker 7: mean you know she just seems fair yeah she seemed
• 10:27
  Speaker 7: legit fair i thought she was gonna be like the
• 10:28
  Speaker 7: overbearing and she was she was kind of down the
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  Speaker 7: middle like even sure when she needed it.
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: And rewarded her when she deserved the captain she had
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  Speaker 1: before her too like they were all like super smart
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  Speaker 1: and well written and i'm just like There's a lot
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: of cop shows out there on network television. And, like,
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: so many times, like, all of the main characters will
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: be just kind of by-the-numbers bullshit. Like, they all insert
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: the same dumb interactions you have to have before the
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: main dead person plot comes into play. And that's it.
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  Speaker 1: And that's all they do. And worst of that is, like,
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  Speaker 1: the female characters always get the short end of the stick. Like,
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: one of them.
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  Speaker 7: I guess I won't out them.
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: I don't really care. I don't really watch it. But
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  Speaker 1: one of them, like, they specifically... the producers between seasons
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  Speaker 1: swapped out all the female characters for new women and
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: assumed they were like, eh, nobody will notice.
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  Speaker 7: Nobody will care, basically. What is this?
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: Fuck you.
• 11:21
  Speaker 7: I'm trying to think which one.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: Was it Criminal Minds, maybe?
• 11:25
  Speaker 7: It was the same characters in the show, but different
• 11:27
  Speaker 7: women playing them? No, they just brought in new people.
• 11:30
  Speaker 8: They were just completely unimportant.
• 11:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they were not. Oh my gosh. We already have
• 11:34
  Speaker 7: our main.
• 11:34
  Speaker 4: So they filled... Fill character archetypes.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: We have three female people.
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  Speaker 7: We can put three other female people.
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: Who cares?
• 11:42
  Speaker 7: We just have spots to fill. They don't even have names.
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: They're just generic.
• 11:45
  Speaker 8: One, number two.
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: And they'd been on there for several seasons, too. And
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it's not like they were unproven. They'd been
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: on there. They'd convinced everyone they were good enough characters
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: to be there. And then they just recycled them out.
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: And then I was thinking, that I started noticing, too.
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think Blue Bloods is a bad show.
• 12:02
  Speaker 6: But.
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  Speaker 1: every season they keep swapping out Donnie with a new
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  Speaker 1: female cop. And I'm like, well, the first one's really good.
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  Speaker 1: Like she actually had character. She was well written.
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  Speaker 7: And then after that, I'm like, what.
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: Are the odds? You're always going to get a female cop,
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: except it's the demographic you need to hit to keep
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: this little scenario going in your written screenplay. Like that's
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: the part that gets on my nerves. I'm like, Okay,
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: the first time it just happened, that's his partner. But
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: when every time they have to put another.
• 12:30
  Speaker 7: It's not, like, mandatory that he needs a female partner.
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm like, that doesn't even make sense in
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: the real world. I'm guessing, statistically speaking, it's still less
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  Speaker 1: likely that you would get another female.
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  Speaker 7: Cop, so.
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  Speaker 1: It just seems forced. Especially when it's like a two
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: or threefer.
• 12:47
  Speaker 8: It'll be like, it's the only woman, it's the only
• 12:49
  Speaker 8: person of color, and they're gay.
• 12:51
  Speaker 7: They own the one character.
• 12:54
  Speaker 4: They do that with Grey's Anatomy, too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, oh, we're missing this demographic?
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  Speaker 7: It's all over.
• 13:01
  Speaker 4: Here's another rando doctor show.
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: And you're missing a link. good enough like we we
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: can cram as many different things on this one character
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: to fill everything we need i just watching network stuff
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  Speaker 1: that always seems to be a weak spot is like
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: in general dialogue and character development's kind of iffy but
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: the women always get screwed over especially in these cop
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: shows so watching how well they develop the and again
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: it's just 13 episodes it's not like they've been doing
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: it for years it's in one little series and all
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: of these characters in general but specifically these female characters
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: are really well developed and i'm like see you can
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: do it you're just lazy network.
• 13:38
  Speaker 8: Television and it makes the whole show better it makes everything.
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: Better they're all so good i'm like again even the
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: ones i don't love like the inspector lady i'm like
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: i don't love her but because she's well written i
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: respect her i'm like i'm glad to see her in
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: scenes when she's there because she's it's a good performance
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: and it's well written like that's I could care less
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: about shit on network television for that very reason. Like,
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: they just half-ass it. So, that was my main thing
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: I noticed going into it.
• 14:06
  Speaker 7: But we still need, we still need one being a star.
• 14:09
  Speaker 7: That's what bugs me. I mean, we'll finally, with Wonder Woman,
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  Speaker 7: finally have a female hero, like, leading the movie. But,
• 14:15
  Speaker 7: I mean, even in a Marvel universe, it's going to
• 14:17
  Speaker 7: be a couple years until you get Ms.
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: Marvel.
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  Speaker 7: Like, we still have great, great co-stars, but when are
• 14:23
  Speaker 7: we going to get a strong female star with the power?
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  Speaker 4: Like, Well, that's one of the big problems, I guess.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, even by itself with Marvel. I mean, you
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: go even across the years, there aren't really a lot
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: of singular, stand-alone female characters that pop in your head
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: outside of Ms.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Marvel.
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: And that's only because she's just been around.
• 14:42
  Speaker 6: In the past.
• 14:43
  Speaker 7: In the X-Men universe, I feel like X-Men did really well,
• 14:45
  Speaker 7: especially in the 90s and making women strong. But more recently.
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  Speaker 4: But they were still never ever by themselves, though.
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 1: I still love what they've done with Black Widow. I
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: think she's got so much potential to be her own star.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: Have you heard the rumor?
• 14:58
  Speaker 7: Not on Widow, but I hope we'll tie into Willow.
• 15:00
  Speaker 7: They're talking about, I guess because they still don't feel
• 15:04
  Speaker 7: like Hawkeye could carry a movie either.
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: They're talking about... I don't think Hawkeye could carry a
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: movie by himself.
• 15:09
  Speaker 7: Black Widow could.
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: They don't even know if Black Widow could carry a
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: movie by herself.
• 15:14
  Speaker 7: Hawkeye netflix and you put black widow in there sold
• 15:17
  Speaker 7: i'll watch 12 episodes of the two of them well
• 15:19
  Speaker 7: yeah so i feel like that'd be a great twofer
• 15:22
  Speaker 7: let it be a co-lead don't make it like hawkeye
• 15:25
  Speaker 7: with black widow have it be hawkeye and black widow
• 15:28
  Speaker 7: yeah them doing stuff even if you want to go
• 15:30
  Speaker 7: old school and show them like the missions and stuff
• 15:31
  Speaker 7: that they joke about just give me 12 episodes of
• 15:34
  Speaker 7: those two and i will i will absorb it it
• 15:36
  Speaker 7: will be great i don't know if it could be
• 15:39
  Speaker 7: a movie But I do want to see more of
• 15:41
  Speaker 7: those characters, especially when they interact with each other.
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: I think it would serve better as a show than
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: just a two-hour plot.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: It would probably work better, too. I think you would
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: get a better response from people. That's a tall order
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: to get people to run out and go see Opening Weekend, probably.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: But just popping up on Netflix, you're probably going to
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: get a good response to it.
• 15:58
  Speaker 7: You could write something new with it. You could do
• 15:59
  Speaker 7: a more Mission Impossible feel. Where it's just hyper-espionage kind
• 16:03
  Speaker 7: of stuff. That's a whole new... motif for what we've
• 16:07
  Speaker 7: seen so far. It works really well. That's what makes
• 16:10
  Speaker 7: the Captain America one so successful. It feels like such
• 16:13
  Speaker 7: a smart international conspiracy diplomatic kind of stuff. It's a
• 16:19
  Speaker 7: different thing than Hulk and Thor. It could be something different.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: Hawkeye as the dude James Bond.
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Is he really? And I like him, but.
• 16:30
  Speaker 8: I don't think he's charismatic enough.
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like he's... He tries.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: He works really well as that supporting character.
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: Like, he literally, especially because... I feel like he's Joss Whedon.
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: I feel like he's Joss Whedon writing himself into the show.
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: He's like, this is what I would say in this.
• 16:44
  Speaker 7: You know, so it's like, here's Hawkeye. To say my
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: lines in the middle.
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: Of all this stuff.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, can you imagine the actual Joss Whedon, like, legit
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: espionage show? But just written in the style of Joss Whedon,
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: it would be quite interesting.
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: I just want him to write something.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: The closest he's gotten so far is Dollhouse. But it
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: has its own weird little quirks. But even still.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm okay with it.
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: I wish he'd come back. I don't want him to
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: do another movie. I want him to do something he'd
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: be comfortable with. But you cannot tell me there's not
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: something comic book-wise Joss Whedon couldn't come back and do.
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: Whether it be Netflix... Or, I mean, I don't know,
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: do some, I don't want to say S.H.I.E.L.D. Nothing against S.H.I.E.L.D.
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: I hear it's great now. I tried season one, and
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: it didn't grab me at all.
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: Like, at all.
• 17:33
  Speaker 7: I found myself watching it, because I was telling myself
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: I needed to watch it.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: It's stagnant right now. Like, the whole Ghost.
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: Rider storyline that's going through. And it wasn't even, like,
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: classic Ghost Rider. They went with the Ghost Rider in
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: a car, and I'm like, I still feel like you're
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: not really giving us Ghost Rider. You gave us the
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: poor man's Ghost Rider, like, can't afford it that's kind
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: of part of the problem but well you know the
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: fact that now as we're about to talk about now
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: that we have a dr strange magic element like it
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: wouldn't hurt to bring in the demon aspect you know
• 18:05
  Speaker 7: but better than a b grade ghost rider give me
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: a real ghost rider going to hell and showing you
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: that whole dimension i mean i feel like they could
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: do that now now that you've you know, introduced magic
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: in all these realms and stuff. Now you go, well,
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: there is like a hell realm too. And that's where
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: Ghost Rider comes from. I feel like maybe they kind
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: of jumped the gun on that, trying to charge agents
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: of shield somehow.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Isn't that where Angel went?
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: Let's cross this all together. Let's get Joss in on this.
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: Oh, right.
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: I want Angel to come out of the hell dimension.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, Buffy went there too.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Buffy to kick ass with Black Widow. Yeah, I want
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: all these crossing out. Disney owns everything, right? Don't they
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: own Joss and everything he's ever thought about?
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: How about we take a Ghost Rider-Buffy crossover? That could
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: be interesting.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with that.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: I think Buffy's, what, Warner Brothers?
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I think it used to be. I don't know if
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: it's changed hands in the 40 or 50 different buyouts
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that have happened since the Buffy days, but no telling.
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: Do you think that remake will happen? just out of
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: remake fears. Do you think eventually someone's going to go
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: remake Buffy? It itself was a remake.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, I can't, you can't really complain about it.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: You don't know what's going to happen.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: Somebody's going to like what they saw with, with the
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: remake show of Buffy and want to bring that back
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: into a remake version of the old movie. But with the,
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: with the show lore, it's better.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with it but.
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: If somebody useful did it i'm okay.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: If they do something interesting like bring back the master
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: in it that might be a fun movie or do
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: something as crazy as the first evil it could be
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: a fun movie but if it doesn't have that joss
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: whedon feel right it has to have his writing yeah
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: it's gonna lose everything that it was ever meant to
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: be and paul.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: Rubens you have to have Paul Rubens.
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: That death scene is still going on right now.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Right now.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: You're going to wish you died.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Refresh yourself.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: It's intermission time.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: The concession stand is open and ready to serve you.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: These women have just seen their doctor.
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: Doctor Death.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: He stalks the city through the dark of night.
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: I think somebody's coming toward my apartment.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: He has powers more terrible than any man who ever lived.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: Don't answer your doorbell.
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: What do you want?
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: It may be Doctor Death. Making a house call.
• 21:01
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  Speaker 7: I'm Jenna Bush and you're listening to Movie Meltdown. Did
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: you guys see the new Wonder Woman trailer? Did you
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: get that before Doctor Strange?
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I did not.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: I did not either.
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: I think I'm still optimistic. Zach has burnt me just
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: about every time, but I'm still.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: At this point.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Just about.
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: I mean, you got Jeff Johns is like roping him
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: in or whatever, but Zach, I believe, is still the director.
• 22:49
  Speaker 11: Well, so they did actually sign on a new director
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: only two days after we reported that Michelle McLaren had
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: left the project. They got Patty Jenkins, who originally was
• 23:00
  Speaker 11: signed up to direct Thor The Dark World before she
• 23:02
  Speaker 11: was replaced by Alan Taylor.
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: That's where I'm just like, until I see it, I
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: can't fully trust it. But second trailer still looks optimistic
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: to me. I'm still kind of... I just worry about
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: him more than anybody. Like I said, I'll get duped
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: again probably.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: That's the only potential hazard, having him as a director.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess it can't be worse than Batman vs.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Superman.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Don't invite it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Don't invite it.
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: You just created another timeline.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: And it can't be worse than anything Aquaman could be.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: But now he's angsty Aquaman.
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: I heard he wants to be the crow now too.
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: Or that they're looking at him to be the crow
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: because that crow remake is still up and down for
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: like the last 10 years. But now they're talking about
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: You want a big Hawaiian dude to play Eric Draven.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: He was like 20, 20, 21.
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: He was like.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: He's pushing it.
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: If not, the crow is one of those ones where
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: it's like, it's going to happen eventually, but I don't
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: want him.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: To enjoy the crow three for all your extra crow
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: story needs or no four is the way to go.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Have you seen four?
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: I didn't even know there was a four.
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah.
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: There's four.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Like three is almost watchable as I remember it a
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: long damn time ago. Four. Go ahead and put that
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: on the list of shit we need to watch because
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: it is, like, two just makes me angry. Two is
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: just a bastardization. Four is, like, train wreck level of
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: what the fuck is on the screen right now? Like,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: it has the weirdest cast.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: It is the story.
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: Was four the one with Tara Reid?
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: Among other people. I think we worked at Suncoast when
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: I was in production. I remember, like, reading about it.
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: I'm like, no.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: No.
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: You don't get any of my money. I don't even
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: want to see that in any way or form.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: It's worth watching for the sheer what-the-fuck value, because it
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: is so ridiculous.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Are we talking, like, DOA-level ridiculous?
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: I mean, that is the one that had the kid
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: from Terminator. Well, it had Angel in it, right?
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Wasn't it Angel?
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's ridiculous. I remember just reading the cast
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: and the synopsis.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I was like, no.
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure Dennis Hopper makes it. It was like
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: a farm boy becomes a crow, like a farm boy
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: becomes a crow.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: It's so ridiculous. Oh no, we need to add that
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: to our list. But that is not this week's movie.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: This week we went out on the town. Doesn't happen
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: for geeks very often.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: Get more out of life. Go out to a movie.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: You think you know how the world works?
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: You think that this material universe is all there is.
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: But what if I told you the reality you know.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Is one of many?
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: What the?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: This doesn't make any sense.
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: Not everything has to, Dr.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Strange.
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: Through the mystic arts, we harness energy and shape reality.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: The Avengers protect the world from physical dangers. We safeguarded
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: against more mystical threats.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: Come with me.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: You'll die protecting this world, Mr.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Doctor.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: Mr.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Doctor, it's strange.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: Maybe.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Who am I to judge?
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: This week's movie is Doctor Strange. The year is obviously 2016.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: The director, Scott Derrickson, and the plot, according to IMDb,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: if you want to call this a plot, a former
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: neurosurgeon embarks on a journey of healing only to be
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: drawn into the world of the mystic arts. That's barely even.
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: A, that's one single thing.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not even a description. Spoiler alert! I'm sure
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: we're going to ruin the hell out of this movie.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: You have been warned.
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: It won't be that bad. I can't even nitpick this movie.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: I almost went in looking to try to nitpick it.
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: I can't.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: But I also don't know enough about the whole of
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: the strange story.
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: We were talking about that before.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I think I came in the same way you did
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: without any real backstory at all. I didn't read that comic.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't know much about him other than he had
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that like he always had kind of a 70s vibe
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: about him yeah just the look and the outfit and
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the hair and like he was just kind of the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: medallion i mean dude's got a big old medallion so
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: i mean he had a very cool 70s dude vibe
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: going on so i'm like all right whatever but this
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: is like i can't tear it apart kind of attack
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: it my take as i walked out of the theater
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: was And I was like, but it's really well made.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: It's the most impressive meh I've ever seen. Because I
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: just didn't really care one way or the other. But
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: it was all well done along the way. So that's
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: why I was like, I was going to throw out
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of options to you guys.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: It just wasn't overwhelming.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so like, I'm not engaged in any of it,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I think is the problem.
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: Doctor Strange was not strange enough. It's supposed to be
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: so much weirder than that, I felt like.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: So we need Stanley Kubrick making this movie.
• 28:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:33
  Speaker 8: We need Super Bizarro. I don't just need the Inception graphics.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Or Guillermo del Toro, not Benicio.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: Well, also Benicio.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, he'd be an odd choice
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: for Doctor Strange.
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm okay with that. He is the collector,
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: so he's going to find his.
• 28:50
  Speaker 9: Way in there anyway.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: The collector is Doctor Strange.
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: But yeah, some kind of Guillermo aesthetics to that movie
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: would have really, I don't know, it would have made
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: it so much more magical and just odd. But it
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: was still super mainstream Avengers movie, but also kind of weird.
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: I guess these graphics are really strange and these visuals
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: are weird, but that's the weirdest thing about it.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, his little trip through... Through the mystic dimensions
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: of the multiverse was about as weird as it got.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: It was kind of interesting.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Are we talking at the end?
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: At the beginning.
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: At the beginning when he's just zipping around.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: When the ancient one's like, all right, look, check this out.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: You don't believe me? Here you go. Let's take a trip.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Whoosh.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: It's just like a travel agent. Yeah.
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: It reminds me of the interstellar going into the black hole.
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: like visuals, like everything gets all.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Like, see now that is pretty weird actually. I mean,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: especially for that time period and that type of movie
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: up to that point, like we never got that level
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: of strange in Dr. Strange. It's always just kind of like,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: here's some cool visuals, right? Like, I just felt like
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the whole time they were just, that was my thing.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: As we get into these crazy visuals and they were
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: all really well done, but I'm like, remember when every
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: time they come out with a new form of technology,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: you know, your new Blu-ray comes out, you get a
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: test disc that shows you the most impressive graphics you
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: can get. There was one that used to go, like,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: every store, every electronic store is running it on a
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: loop all day long to show these new high-def TVs
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: or their new Blu-ray player, whatever the new HD technology is.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: There's some, like, test thing. I feel like that's what
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I was watching for most of that time. I'm just like,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: this is all really impressive, but I don't really care.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: I think his little jaunt through the multiverse is probably
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: about as weird as they could have taken it for
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: about as long in the movie to still keep people interested, like,
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: the general public interested in being.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Hooked to the rest of.
• 30:40
  Speaker 12: The story and yet i wasn't i think there's a
• 30:43
  Speaker 12: level there's still a level that if they'd have kept
• 30:46
  Speaker 12: that that whole vibe the whole movie people would have
• 30:49
  Speaker 12: just clocked out halfway through and been like screw this.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Just story-wise i was just like i don't i'm and
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: that's my thing that's what i started realizing and i've
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: brought it up on previous superhero episodes.
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: I'm like the further you get away.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: From some sort of humanity, the less and less engaged
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I am with you. That's why I've said on the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: other ones, the character I could care less about in
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: most of the Marvel stuff is Thor. Now, luckily, I
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: like that actor, so he saves the role, but as
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: a character, he's a god. He's damn near infallible as
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: far as powers go, so I'm just like, why do
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I care? Whereas, like, Iron Man's a dude in a can.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Like, he's a real.
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: Guy who's got real problems.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Like, he's just dealing with so much shit in the
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: real world that I'm like, okay.
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: I get this guy.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Like, it's the same thing with, you know, crossover into
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the Batman. Like, it's that same thing. Like, this guy's
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: got shit going on. And then, like, he might die.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Doctor Strange is kind of in the same way. Because,
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, for all the mystical, magical stuff that he knows,
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: he is... also still just a dude who has a
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: good memory.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I don't dislike that performance, though. I think Cumberbatch does
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: a good job with it, but again, I think it's more,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: and again, it may just be me. I just may
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: not respond to this character, and I was thinking maybe
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: any of the mystical characters, but I like Scarlet Witch.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: And I think there's a real humanity to what she's
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: going with, dealing with her powers, that I didn't really
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: get with Doctor Strange.
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: His character isn't tragic enough. It's just like you were
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: texting and driving and now your hands don't work for who?
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: That's a lesson for everyone.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: You're an arrogant douche.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: The very last line of the credits.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: By the way, guys, pay attention behind the wheel.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Just saying.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: In case you missed the point of this movie, don't
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: be a dick all the time. I don't know, I
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: think that was my thing. I was like, I just
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: don't connect to most of the mystical characters because they're
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: so detached from humanity on any normal level. So, I mean, again,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: that's the one I was like, I was trying to
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: just go across the board, but I do think her
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: performance as Scarlet Witch is really good and does lend,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: so it kind of throws the monkey wrench in that
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: across the board. Maybe it's just these versions of Doctor
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Strange and Thor I don't care about, but the other
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: thing I think I found a lot of problem with,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and I'm starting to see this with a lot of
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: shows outside of this, is when things all of a
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: sudden don't really have any stakes anymore because they're so weird.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: And because the rules are so out the window that
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: you can kind of come back from anything.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: I have a perfect example for you.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Supergirl.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Probably. I haven't been, I've seen one or two of
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: this new season, but I didn't watch last season.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: The first problem with the show of Supergirl is the
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: fact that Superman is accessible.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: In the world.
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: And he was just never around up until they cast him.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: So there's no real stakes for her. Because if anything,
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: if it really, really came down to her life, Superman
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: is going to be there to save her. All they
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: had to do was just write something in to put
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: him off world. And that could have handled that for
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: as long as they needed to.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we don't know what sort of time frame
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: this takes place in. So they could have had during
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: that weird in-between period when he was off finding himself.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: If we're going in that movie story. He'd be like, oh,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: he's wandering around with a beard.
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: Don't worry about him.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: He'll be back later.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Having him off world puts immediate life and death stakes
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: on anything that Supergirl does because she is as alone
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: as Superman is at this point. But they never did that.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Now that it's like a buddy cop show.
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Just like, well, now it's kind of more fun. Like
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: it's made it more of a fun. Again, I only
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: saw those couple episodes, but I'm like.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: It's more fun.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: It's enjoyable. But again, it doesn't feel like there's anything big.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: To it, it's just sort of a fun little, here
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: you go. Just watch Alan McBeal for a little while.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, Supergirl, whatever.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Hell, she's off the show right now.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: She's finding herself. She's got a new career.
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: But no, that was mine.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: It's one of those same things where I went in
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: that Legends of Tomorrow or whatever that other show is.
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: But again, I went into the beginning and I kind
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: of like that idea. It's like, okay, you're taking Avengers
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: and Doctor Who and cramming them together and making a
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: show out of it. I understand your reasoning for creating this.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: But midway in, I'm like, all right, I kind of
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: like this team aspect. I like that they're jumping around
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: the different plot lines. And then they did some really
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: interesting stuff like, okay, we're going to kill off this
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: character who's a regular character. And we wrote them in
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and they were important and we killed them. I'm like,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: all right, that's a pretty gutsy move, especially for network TV.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: That's cool. And then two episodes later, they found a
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: way to.
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: Go around it and bring him back. I'm like, no,
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: fuck that. It's the same.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: And that's what I was going to say.
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: Flashpoint's the same thing. It's only in season two, and
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: we've already rewritten your timeline like three times.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: What is your long-term plans? If you are already regurgitating
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: yourself this much in season two, what is your long-term plans?
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: If you hadn't chopped the nose off your face to
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: make this Legends of Tomorrow show and kept the Flash's
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: rogue gallery, you would have so much opportunity to write,
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: but you took all his main villains and threw them
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: over here.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Flashpoint could have easily happened like three years from now.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: They really jumped into that quick.
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: I remember as season one was ending, I'm like, you
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: are not really going to try to do Flashpoint now?
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: I don't feel I'm as invested as I should be
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: in the original incarnation of the characters for them to
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: be so screwed up as they are in Flashpoint. Now
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: it's like, oh, how are they weird this time?
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: That's the only thing I will give them credit is
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: at least this new season, they've stuck with it. They're
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: just like, No, you've screwed up the timeline and this
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: is where you are now. Yeah, until he has to
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: change it. That's what I'm afraid is they're going to
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: loophole it again.
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: Until they wipe it again. Like, you know it's coming.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: It's like if they did that and just stuck with it,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: it'd be like, okay, it shows you that there are
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: consequences to him doing these stupid superhero things. That's what
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like we don't have in so many of these.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: It's like every time, and the Marvel Universe is really
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: bad about that. That was one of my things I
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: kept calling out. Like, stop killing characters and then taking
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: it away from us. There's a reason I don't want
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: to watch agents of shield.
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: It's because the guy is dead. We killed him in Avengers.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Don't bring him back with your stupid bullshit reasons.
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: The whole reason the end of that movie works.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: But it gave the whole end of that movie stakes
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: that like, that's why like even him doctoring up the blood.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, this has a price that you pay
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: to do these things that you're doing. And like, when
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: you just totally screw that over and be like, Nope,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: just kidding. He's fine. They did the same. As much
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: as I love Winter Soldier, I'm sick of that fake out.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: It almost works in Winter Soldier when they kill Samuel L. Jackson,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: but I'm just like, if it never happened anywhere else
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: in the Marvel Universe, that's the one time I think
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: it works within the plot.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: He's not dead.
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: But again, one more time, I'm like.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: We've already just seen this the last big movie you
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: guys did. It's like they keep doing that. They kind
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: of did it with the first one with Tony Stark
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: probably should have died there if they were sticking with
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: a really interesting plot, but they were like, want to
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: put him in all these other movies so let's just
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: have him cough back to life it's okay so i
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: mean they keep playing that card of like are we
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: gonna kill him no.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Just kidding they might have they might have done that
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: with um uh war machine yeah but there's a thing
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: there's a his medical file pops up in dr strange
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: sort of like briefly there and it's gone it's it's.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: That same thing it's like they don't want to fully
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: commit to that because again i feel like as much
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: as i liked about civil war if it's a civil
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: war people there need to be consequences yeah people need
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: to die you know it's like there needs to be
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: stakes involved and that was my problem with with dr
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: strange is like there's a lot of jumping around there's
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of buildings flipping there's a lot of jumping
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: from one place to another but in the end i'm
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: like i don't i don't know what you're fighting about
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: i don't know what this like i just didn't feel
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: invested in any of the action going on and there
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: was a lot of action so i'm like if i'm
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: gonna invest this much Like, you know, when it's the
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Captain America movies and it's action going on, I'm invested.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: It's a real world thing. There are stakes if they're
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: out there running in the middle of the street. You know,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: somebody's going to get injured. Just jumping through time and space.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, what is the outcome?
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: What's going to happen? I think that was part of
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: their whole excuse for limiting some weird level of collateral
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: damage because they could jump in and out of reality.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: So they're on that one. That sort of corner of
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: reality where they're not interacting with everybody else and they
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: could literally do whatever they wanted.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Which again makes me totally detached from it.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: Right, but it has that weird disconnected feeling like, well,
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: what does it matter what happens when they can just.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: other than this one guy who up to this point
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: in the movie's kind of been a dick so why
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: am i even on board with him like he hasn't
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: even redeemed himself really why do i care.
• 39:37
  Speaker 8: So and the thing for me was that he didn't
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: like it wasn't convincing enough for me that he jumped
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: to okay i'm gonna save the world now like He
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: didn't care that much before. He said he didn't want
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: to be involved. But then it was like three minutes
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: later he was all in. And that wasn't believable.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Enough for me.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: He got thrown in and had to be involved. When
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: his life mattered to himself, he kind of had to
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: step in and do things.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: And seemed super capable all of a sudden. Like we
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: get kind of a little bit of the journey at
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the beginning. But then all of a sudden he's just like,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: and this was mine. By the end it felt very Matrix-y.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Because he's almost the Chosen One for no good reason. Like,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: at least in The Matrix, they came up with some, like,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: you are the Chosen One. They didn't really build that
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: here as, like, he is special for some reason. And
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: that's why he's so good. And he's just going to
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: become the master of this whole little thing now. But
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: he just is.
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: Because he's super smart.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's super smart.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: He's a good study.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: He's super arrogant.
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Not a good driver so much, but I was just like, yeah,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: the fact that they thrust on him all this responsibility,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: and then there's also this weird little world that kind
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: of doesn't matter, sort of like in The Matrix 2,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, this isn't real anyway, so don't
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: worry about it. And then the real world, you're sleeping somewhere.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: So this dream world crazy bullshit going on, eh, there's
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: no stakes to it either.
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: Well, there was a weird time jump that they didn't
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: acknowledge well at all either, because when he's in the car,
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: when he gets in the wreck... He's getting a phone
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: call about something from Iron Man 2. He's getting a
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: call about the dude that gets his back broke or
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: legs are broke or something on the phone. That's the
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: dude that was testing out Was it Hammer Tech or whatever?
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: It was the people that were trying to make the
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: Iron Man suit. And they do that demo thing where
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: it crunches the guy. That's what that phone call was about.
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: So that is happening during Iron Man 2 stuff. So see,
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: there was a weird time jump. They didn't make obvious.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: They don't acknowledge.
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: Unless you're just super dorky like me and you just
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: remember a lot. You're like, oh, this is back in
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: the day. So there was a weird time jump that
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: they didn't make clear. That's a lot of years. Okay,
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: that was back. during iron man 2 now we're here
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: to current.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Times yeah so he did go through months of training
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: years yeah they didn't make it clear at all just
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: just in surgery alone.
• 41:51
  Speaker 13: We gotta have a montage otherwise we don't understand that
• 41:56
  Speaker 13: yeah it's like unfortunately yeah like without that montage like
• 41:59
  Speaker 13: it it didn't land because i was kind of telling
• 42:00
  Speaker 13: my girlfriend at time i'm like you.
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: Know that was about iron man 2 like when is
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: this and then like A little bit later, I'm like, okay, wait,
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: I think we're at now now. So I think that
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: that's why he's good. I think it's been two, three
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: years and they did not get that through well.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: I'm wondering if there's a director's cut.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: We got to see him punching sides of meat and
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: chasing a chicken. You got to have an inspiring survivor.
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: Oh, wait, I'm on the wrong week.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: We did sort of see that. I mean, see him
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: reach his hand through portals and steal books. Sneaky bastard.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: It doesn't leave without me knowing, oh, yeah?
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I will give them the, like, that effect looks cool.
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: Like, they made that.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: That's why I wish it worked better for me as, like,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: having some sort of stakes within the character and all that.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Because when he does the move, like, I'm like, that's
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: pretty badass.
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: Well, here's another thing I would point out as far as, like,
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: justifying his power. The moment he got the Eye of Omoto,
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: the moment he got that gem.
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: Power was off the fucking charts because that's an infinity stone.
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: That's a time stone.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: The moment he had that on, his power level went
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: through the roof. And that's why I think a boy
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: just kind of snarkily says, well, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: infinity stone. It's like, that's why you're so strong because
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: you have.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: As it went on, I was also like, actually, that
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: cape's the cool one. You're some kind of a doofus,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: but that cape's really fucking good and is the reason
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: you can fly and kind of knows what's going on
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: and you don't. And I'm like, can we just watch
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the cape for an hour? The cape's pretty cool.
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: The cape gets its own story.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: It should.
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: It's a side movie all on its own.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: The relic chose him.
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: It did.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: It was very Harry Potter, too. I choose you.
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: I was having flashbacks of Spawn at first, and I
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: was like, no, it's all right.
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: It's okay.
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: We can let the kids have personality.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Spawn movie. That's another one we need to add to
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: our list.
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: Oh, that's getting remade, too.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: It kind of needs to be.
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: Just wait for it.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: As long as they bring John Leguizamo back.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: There we go. Fine casting.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: The guy they had in Doctor Strange, what's his face?
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: The guy who had gone to Kathmandu, who he sought out,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: who had used magic to help himself walk. Kind of
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: reminded me of John Leguizamo in a weird way. He
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: looked like an Elseworlds, sort of older John Leguizamo. Fang... I.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Was just trying to think of the actor. Benjamin Bratt.
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: Was that the dude from Miss Congeniality? Yeah, obviously. That's
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: where you.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Cast Benjamin Bratt.
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: Which does make me think... Don't pretend like.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: You don't love Miss Congeniality. That's what I remember him from.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: Good job.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: But no, it is one of those that's them, I'm assuming,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: planning ahead.
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: Just since we know.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: They've got 10 movies out.
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: It's weird because they said they have no plans for
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: Doctor Who individual sequel at this point. Straight. I kept
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: doing that all weekend.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I kept fighting to call it that.
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: There's no official plans, but the way that ends, they
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: obviously are at least testing it. Like, do you want more?
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: Because I love that actor, that Chihuahua. The dude that
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: played Mordo. Chihuahua.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah love that guy okay and i would gladly take
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: a home if you let the villain be a villain
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: in the next movie because case silliest should have been
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: great with that dude playing him but he was a
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: cameo that should have been a fucking villain and he
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: was a cameo so if you do another let baron
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: morto be in the movie then let us have a.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: Villain he can hold a movie by himself Man.
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: How great would it have been for Casey Lewis and
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: Edward Cumberbatch, because I don't know the actor's name, but
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: that guy and Edward Cumberbatch having battle of wits and
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: scenes together. Those two could have nailed some great moments
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: of tension, and it was anytime they were on screen together,
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: it was just action. You wasted all this acting.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Mads Mikkelsen's so good at that kind of stuff.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: He plays a fantastic villain that has... just hard belief
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: behind him. He sells that really well. He did it
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: great in Serenity. The whole fact that he believes in
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: a cause and it doesn't matter if the cause is
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: bigger than he is and he's just there to move
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: it forward. That's kind of his.
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: I thought his part was well written. Being someone coming
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: from the comic to the movie, the way they kind
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: of twisted him, I thought was neat. Because even in
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: a comic, it's weird because even the ancient one knows
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: he's bad in a comic. She's like, you're going to
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: turn on me one day. She doesn't say it, but
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: it's so obvious in the comic that she knows he's
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: going to go bad. So when he does go bad,
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: you're like.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Well, no shit.
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: Everyone kind of knew he was going to go bad.
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: So I thought it was neat the way they did
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: it where it wasn't like she knew he was going
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: to go bad. The fact that she kind of had
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: the secret and he figured it out and he was
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: just kind of like, I'm a Puritan. I don't want
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: anything to do with that stuff. I thought it was
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: a neat approach.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: She had kind of mentioned that the best she could
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: see was the possibilities of things, which sort of makes
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: sense there because maybe there was a possibility that he
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: wouldn't turn bad. And that's what she was trying to,
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: trying to foster. And, but, You know, it ultimately wasn't
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: going to matter because, yeah, he's a villain.
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: Can't get around that.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: As we get into the villains, does anybody have a
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: reason why the eye makeup is what it is?
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: Is there a specific reason it looks like that? Oh,
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: it happened after they, when they did the ritual and, like,
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: they saunced it up, whatever dimension. Like, if you watch, like,
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: all of them, like, their eyes burned away during that.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: But it's just a weird look.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: So you know they're bad.
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: He's like the deadly diva lizard or something.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: He's just bad makeup job and kind of a lizard.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: He's gonna turn into a reptile. I think it was
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: more specifically just to identify that, oh, these are the
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: bad guys.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I realized, yeah, it was very functional the way it was.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, punch him in the face.
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: I don't like that guy.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Look at him.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: He's got a thing on his head and crazy eyes.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: I'll kill him.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: It's such a specific choice, though. It's not like, they
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: had red glowing eyes like every other bad guy in
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: the world. It's like, this was a very specific makeup choice.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: And I was just like, is there a reason for that?
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Because it's odd looking. I don't know. I wasn't comfortable
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: with that either, but Again, because I kind of wanted
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: a specific reason.
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: I'm like, is there some sort of weird reptilian thing
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: going to kick in at some point?
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Are they mid-transformation here? It's very reptile-like. And lots of
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: blue eyes.
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: I just think it was like their eyes were burning.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: See that? Again, it would almost make sense.
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: From looking at whatever dimension it was starting to burn away.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: I'm at the point where I just want everything on Netflix. Like,
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: I look back... Because, you know, we've had plenty of
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: podcasts where I do the whole, it's a pilot. And
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: it's like, that's not a good defense. I know that.
• 48:26
  Speaker 8: But.
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: I look at everything on Netflix and I was like,
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: can you imagine a two hour Luke Cage? Can you
• 48:31
  Speaker 7: imagine a two hour daredevil? Can you imagine a two hour?
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: And I mean, they would not have worked the same way.
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: And I'm just at the point where it's like, can,
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: can we like do movies when it's like climactic fights,
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: like do everything on Netflix. And when shit hits the fan,
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: it's like movie, because I want, at least for pilot stuff, Dr.
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: Strange in 10, 12 episodes of training and doing stuff
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: and fleshing out. Seeing Mordo change slowly. I mean, that
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: would all and Wong I love that dude that guy
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: from Marco Polo I wanted him to be in there
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: more and I'm like he will be in it more
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: going forward because he is Dr. Strange's right hand man
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: but it was just so much so many times in
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: the movie I was like man just can we Netflix
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: everything like you really flesh it out so much better
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: when you get 10 12 episodes I.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Wanted to address that because I feel like I've said
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: that sometimes too. I said that about Age of Ultron
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: many times now.
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: I'm like, there's so much more story that needed to happen.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: Age of Ultron really should have been better.
• 49:28
  Speaker 7: But at the same time.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: That could have easily been two movies right there.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think that, you know, I don't think we've
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: gotten away from the film time frame being a dead format.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Like you can still make amazing movies as a movie.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: And I don't think it's above them to be able
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: to do that. It's just a different mode because you
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: get specific ones. You know, I think Winter Soldier works better.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: In that time frame. If you drug it out for
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: 12 episodes, it might not be cool anymore. It may
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: be too damn long.
• 49:56
  Speaker 7: Even with that, though, it was kind of an origin
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: story for Winter Soldier. But it wasn't really an origin
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: story script. Which is why I think the Netflix things
• 50:08
  Speaker 7: work better. Because everything so far has been origin stories
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: for people.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, Luke Cage in and of itself wasn't really
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: an origin story.
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: They threw in a couple episodes. Because we already inserted
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: him in another one.
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: They keep crossing over so much. Oh, but you didn't know.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: They did throw a couple episodes of origin in there,
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: but it was really only about just as much as
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: you needed.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: They threw it in, they took it out, and they
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: threw it in, and they did a whole episode of origin.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: But could you have done it in two hours?
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:31
  Speaker 7: You think you could have did Luke Cage in two hours?
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: A story?
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: I don't know if it would be that exact.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: But I almost felt like, again, maybe because I crammed
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: so much of it in this weekend, that last six
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: episodes or so, I'm like, are we still... They're kind
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: of dragging their feet a little bit at the end there.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: Everything with Diamondback could have easily been two hours.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it could have been wrapped up way quicker. Because
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I'm like, is he still.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: I think that's the only problem I have with Luke Cage,
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: is that there wasn't enough Cottonmouth. And there was too
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: much Diamondback.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I that's that's what i was gonna say too i
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: think that's the difference between like what they're doing with
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: series and what they've been doing with the movies and
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: i've called them out for this all along the villains
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: are so unimpressive in the movie.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: The stakes got raised on them too quickly too too.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Soon yeah but they have that's the thing all of
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: these series have had really good villains so it's like
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Marvel has good villains. They can write good villains, but
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: they're sending all of their time and investment into the series.
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: They're just like throwing them in as fodder for the movies.
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: Cottonmouth is a great villain. I get the impression that Marvel,
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: and I'm not saying I agree with this. I'm not
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: saying like artistically. I think on some corporate level, they've
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: basically said when it comes to Marvel villains, who's going
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: to end up with Thanos and who's fodder to just
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: be a one-off in a movie? Because Loki's not going
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: to die. He's going to end up with Thanos. I
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: kind of wonder if.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: Baron Mordo is.
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: Just like the fact that one of the stingers kind
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: of ties in Loki. It's like, well, if this dude's
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: hunting Strange and now Strange is with Thor, I see
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: Baron Mordo ending up with Loki, which is awesome. I
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: would love to see the two of them start forming
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: that clique to be, even if it's with Thanos or
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: against him or to backstab him, because that shit happens
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: all the time in the comics. Like, yeah, we're going
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: to be buddy-buddy and take out all the good guys.
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: And then someone backs him. But they're obviously doing a
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: thing where it's like, either we're just going to make
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: you one movie like Ultron, or we're going to really
• 52:24
  Speaker 7: back you up. You're going to be long-term. We're going
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: to keep you around. And they haven't done it with
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: enough villains. I feel like even if you almost, I
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: guess Scooby-Doo wouldn't be the way to say it, but
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: even if every movie has some weird little loophole, like, well,
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: he's not dead. It's just some little sneaky thing, like
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: he's not dead. Then later on, you could go, look
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: at all these bad guys that are back. I don't know,
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: to do some with later, but the fact that they
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: kill them. I think that's what bugs me is that
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: they end.
• 52:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: And, like, these villains are just as important as the heroes.
• 52:52
  Speaker 7: I mean, you don't have Iron Man without Mandarin. Like,
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: you know, everyone, you know, Spider-Man and Doc Ock, you
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: have these, like, cliche villains and you've killed some of them.
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: And it's like, you kind of kill a character when
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: you kill their main rival.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: They've always done that with the movies, though. They want
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: to wrap, I guess, for outsiders because, like, even, like,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: the first real wave of that stuff coming in i
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: guess that like tim burton batman they kill the joker
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: i'm like yeah that's an overarching story that you can't
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: get away from like it's so important to the batman
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: universe you can't just take him and like it's like
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: they took their cue from that every superhero movie since
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: then it's like well at the end we gotta kill
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: off the villain.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: I think the best handling of the villains of any
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: of the villains in any of the comic movies they've
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: had recently so far would be magneto Because he's such
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: an essential character himself. He's the one character. You couldn't
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: kill him if you wanted to. Because, I mean, they
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: didn't in the first X-Men movie. He was barely in
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: the second. And they didn't in the third X-Men movie.
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: Which didn't exist. Now it doesn't exist. We took care
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: of that.
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: But I mean, as far as villains, yeah, he's so
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: close to the X-Men-ism character anyway, because.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: But it almost, he's kind of the same thing that
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I throw Loki in.
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: I'm like, he's not really a villain.
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: And some of it's because... He's just his own perspective
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: of things. Some of it's because we like them so much, too.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying about Loki. Loki's not a good
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: villain because... Because he's too damn likable. We all enjoy
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: when he's on screen and not in an evil villainous way.
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: We just like the character. What would Thor have without
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: Loki at this point?
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't think Thor is interesting at all.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Chris Hemsworth is at least charming and he makes that work.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: But the only time it's interesting is with him and Loki.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, Loki's carrying that relationship. Thor is a
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: boring character. He just is.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: How about that time loop there at the end?
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Again, a loophole.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: I thought that was genius.
• 54:56
  Speaker 7: It was kind of fun.
• 54:56
  Speaker 8: It wasn't a bunch of explosions.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: It was great. After they killed him the first time
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: when he came back.
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: Genius.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: Just going to get him stuck in a time loop.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: It was almost childish, which was one of the fun things.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: He could have also just sat there and... plugged his
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: ears and sang Henry VIII over and over and over
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: again until he went crazy.
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: He's like, you know what?
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Fine.
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: Just get out of my universe.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, about the third or fourth time of that,
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: I'm watching it with my eight-year-old son, too. He starts
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: cracking up. It's the most fun part of that movie, probably. Yeah,
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: he realized that's what's happening. Oh, get him stuck in
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: a time loop. He can't get out. He's a prisoner.
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: He can't get out.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: I'm going to drive you crazy.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: And even you know this great demon is like are
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: you fucking kidding.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah so again there's i mean i will almost give
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: them there are more moments of fun in this than
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: i expected because the going in i was just my
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: i did not have high expectations mostly because i didn't
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: know the story that well but i also like it
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: just seemed so grim as a story and like I
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: like Cumberbatch, but, like, again, he's not really known for
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: his comedy, so, like, he's pretty serious in most of
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: his stuff anyway, so he plays with it a little bit. Like,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: him and the cape are fun, and, like, the moments
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: where he has little, like, snarky lines, so I'm like,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: he made it more fun than I expected going in.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: It's still not an overall fun movie like a lot
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: of the other Marvel stuff, but it was more enjoyable
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: on those moments than I expected, I guess.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: I spent my last dollar getting here, won my ticket,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: and you're talking to me about healing through belief.
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: You're a man looking at the world through a keyhole.
• 56:38
  Speaker 6: You've spent your whole life trying to widen that keyhole,
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: to see more, to know more. And now, on hearing
• 56:44
  Speaker 6: that it can be widened in ways you can't imagine,
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: you reject the possibility.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: No, I reject it because I do not believe in
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: fairy tales about chakras.
• 56:53
  Speaker 7: Or energy or the power of belief.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: There is no such thing as spirit. We are made
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: of matter and nothing more. You're just another tiny momentary
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: speck within an indifferent universe.
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: You think too little of yourself.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, you think you see through me, do you?
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: Well, you don't.
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: But I see through you! I liked Tilda's once in
• 57:17
  Speaker 7: a lot.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: I thought she was fantastic.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: She's pretty damn impressive in most things. They did.
• 57:23
  Speaker 7: I mean, that was one of those.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: As a new looking at it from a 2016 perspective,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: they did modernize it to the point where it wasn't
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: overtly offensive because looking back, they're like, yeah, if you
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: go back to the old comics, it's all very stereotypical
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: when it comes to the Asian characters, you know.
• 57:43
  Speaker 7: One of those ancient Chinese secret, ancient.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Chinese secret, the, Your boy that's his sidekick is really
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: just kind of his servant.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: And while it worked back in 1973, it doesn't really
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: fly now.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Kung Fu was still on TV every night with David
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: Carradine as our character. You could skate by with a
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: lot in the 70s.
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: That's the only reason Iron Fist existed. They needed something
• 58:06
  Speaker 7: else for Luke Cage and at the time in black culture,
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: they're like, what else is black culture like? They're like,
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: martial arts movies, so we need a martial arts character.
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: There was a lot of very You know, very specifically
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: written things for things like that.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: It led to good stuff that would come out of it.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it comes from very bad stereotypical beginnings sometimes.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: So it was kind of interesting to see, okay, we're
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: going to, because.
• 58:30
  Speaker 7: It's not going to be an Asian character, we're also going.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: To do the gender flip on it. We're going to
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: make her.
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: Own weird whatever race.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Celtic. Well, no, I'm just saying whatever creature Tilda Swinton is. Like,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: I really don't know what she is. I don't feel
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: like she's human.
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: But she's an odd character.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: She's a great actress.
• 58:49
  Speaker 14: She's just weird.
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: Like, anything you've ever seen her in, I'm like, I.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Don't know what's going on with that Tilda Swinton.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: You know, honestly, I'm trying to remember anything else I've
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: seen her in.
• 58:58
  Speaker 7: She's just an odd actress. She was in Constantine.
• 59:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, she was like the angel.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: She was.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: Gabriel, yeah. I mean, she was the ice queen writer
• 59:07
  Speaker 7: in Narnia movies, right? i think so wasn't that.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: Her isn't she the one and i get her mixed
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: up with alice creege because i want to see her
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: in like a borg suit.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: I mean that could probably be arranged we could we
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: could throw enough money at her she'll put on the
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: boards um isn't she in the what's the freaking ice
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: train movie the snowpiercer yeah isn't she the weirdo like
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: that is a weird performance in snowpiercer yeah she's just
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: a weird actress which again is perfect casting to put
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: her in this weird mystical.
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: World what was the one she was in recently with
• 59:41
  Speaker 7: loki the vampire movie yeah that was she was great
• 59:44
  Speaker 7: in that that was lovers left alive i love that
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: movie yeah.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Again but she ends up in the weirdest property so
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: the fact that she's in this super mainstream superhero movie.
• 59:53
  Speaker 7: I'm like that's An odd choice for them.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: So I'll give them points for doing interesting casting and
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: bringing in different people.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: I saw that they had her in mind before the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 7: script was written. Like, turning an ancient one into a
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 7: white person was like, They knew that ahead of time.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Again, they always do that.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: They already had her in mind. They're like, we want
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: Tilda Swanson to play this character. And when they wrote it,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 7: they had her in mind and got her.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: But again, I think that's the... Someone with quirks. I
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: think that's the out.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: I think like if it were any other generic white person...
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: I think they want someone really androgynous. Just someone that
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 7: looks kind of alien. Like we want her to kind
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 7: of look different from humanity. She's so enlightened.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: You know, we want her to visually look a little
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 7: different too. And she just does. She has this very.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Otherworldly look to her. Yeah, it's almost like.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 7: What was it in Community? They wanted her mascot to
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 7: encompass mankind. I feel like in some way she encompasses everything.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 7: She looks like man, woman, just everything. Everything rolled into one.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: This one body. I think she has a lot of presence.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: Anything I see her in, she's just like, I just
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: want to sit down and talk to you.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 8: She doesn't have eyelashes or eyebrows. She's just very intense
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 8: on her stare.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, she might not be from Yeah.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 7: Just throwing that out there.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: If she'd like to come on and defend herself and
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: her humanity, she's free. You're welcome to come join us.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, tell her if you're ever in Louisville.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: You know, if you're hanging out, feel free. We'll probably
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: sit in the same room and talk to you. Oh,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: how about the Blacklight poster universe we get at the
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: end there? Like, it's all I could think of.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 7: The entire scene.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 8: I'm just like, It reminded me of these like kids toys.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 8: The ones that it's like they're like these little plastic
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 8: rod things. They've got little multiple colored balls on them.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 8: I can't remember what they're called, but I was just
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 8: like thinking about that the whole time. I was like,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 8: what is this little like?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, Dormammu's little loop. dimensional world.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Blacklight dimension.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 8: Blacklight mini-golf universe.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: I just kept looking at the background waiting for a
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: giant snake to come out or a wizard. Well, we
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: kind of had a wizard. But at least a Black
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Panther or a dude's van to go tearing by. It
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: just seemed like, again, back to the 70s, everything there
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: seemed like it needed to be on a cheesy poster
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: on somebody's wall in 1976.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: My son thought it was actually pretty cool. It is cool.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: His only real exposure to Doctor Strange is what he's
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: seen in the cartoons on Netflix. He's like, oh, wow,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: it actually looked like Dormammu and his big pumpkin head
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: looking self.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Which they said was Cumberbatch doing the facial. Really?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 7: They messed with it a lot, obviously. He did his
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 7: smog again. He got down on his stomach and put
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 7: all the balls on his face and did the whole.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: He seems to like to do that. Put balls in
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: his face. That's what the word on the street is.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: That is strange.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 8: So going back to the time loops in that same
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 8: little universe thing, I was wondering like why it didn't,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 8: like space time continuum didn't fracture. Like why, if he
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 8: was like messing with it that much and for that long,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 8: I felt like.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: He only messed with it once.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 8: I guess that you could say it's only once.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 8: I just felt like the more they go whip, whip, whip, whip,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 8: that something would fracture and like. make everything collapse. That's
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 8: why when Mordo was like, there's consequences.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: For your actions. Maybe he was hoping it wouldn't, so
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: it didn't.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: He needs a flashpoint where he comes back and like.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 8: I was waiting for something real weird to happen there.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 8: I was like, all right, he's messing with it. Something's
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 8: about to like fracture and mess up and it's going
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 8: to be all crazy. And then it was just like, oh, it's.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Just fixed now.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: I kind of wonder if he'll do that for Ragnarok.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: Like if that wouldn't, when that'll actually pay off. Because
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: it'll have to be something big enough in the natural
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: reality that he'll have to do something crazy with it.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: If he's in Thor world... Will it then affect our world?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Because it's a whole different dimension, right?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: Asgard?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: If he starts messing with things in the Asgard world,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: does that affect us?
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 7: I don't think it's a dimension. It's just really far away.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: It's a place.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: It's not another dimension.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: It's not another dimension?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: No, it's just really far away.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: We're only in the first world.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 8: He had Natalie Portman look up at the skies and
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 8: be like, right over there. That's where we are.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: Second star of the race. Right on time.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: See, Captain Hook?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: You can wave to him from here.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it is one of those just trying to decide. Again,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: it gets so mystical on these. I'm just like, okay, wait.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 7: Let's pin this stuff down.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: Although they were also saying that not all the dimensions
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: function the same too. So it might not have messed
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: up reality because he was in a completely different dimension.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: Because they were talking about how Dormammu's dimension is beyond time.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: So he brought time to it.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 9: Right, right.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Well, then they did the weird mirror world thing. Again,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: that's like, it's a weird complex thing that they throw
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: out there, but don't really explain it. So it's just
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: enough of an excuse to go, oh, shit's weird right now.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: But don't worry about it. It doesn't matter in the
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: real world anyway. So just, it's us showing off the
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: cool effects.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: We're not affecting the real world. We're kind of behind it.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: We're just kind of showing you some cool effects and
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: we can run around and do crazy shit. Again, I
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: felt like sometimes it was just action for the sake
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: of action and it didn't have any consequences and it
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: didn't really matter what happened at the end anyway. So
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Can't we just do something that matters?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: Like, I don't know.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: By the end, I was just like, it was a
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: lot of cool visuals, but I didn't care what was
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: going on most of the time.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 7: Which is why I was surprised they got to this point.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 7: Because honestly, that's just how the comic is. Doctor Strange
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: is not an action comic.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 7: And that's why I was surprised it got to the
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 7: point where we were doing a movie of it. Because
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: it's like, you're really getting to the comics for comic
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 7: people now. Like, this is not even like mainstream stuff
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 7: at all.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 7: Because like I've said before, like, you know, one of
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 7: the main reasons I thought Doctor Strange comics were neat
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 7: when I was little is because of the artwork. Because
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 7: it would be this banana two-page spread of just Escher
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 7: and Salvador Dali just like splooging all over the page.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 7: And then here's Doctor Strange like flying through it in
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 7: a corner. And it would just be pages of that.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 7: Just really crazy psychedelic backgrounds. And he's walking over here
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 7: or he's talking to someone. And so, you know, going in,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 7: that's why I was like, man, this movie is going
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 7: to have to be visually bananas to even try to
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: hold up. anything for the comic which i feel like
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 7: they got that part it was yeah it was the
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 7: same thing where you kind of look back though and
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 7: you go well in the comic yeah he was just
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: kind of walking through it though it's not like he
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: went to this dimension and bought and all this stuff
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 7: happened there it's just like i'm gonna take this shortcut
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: or i gotta go talk to this entity and he
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: would go there and talk to some entity but it
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: wasn't like action was happening anything so it was i
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 7: feel like i'm not defending them but i'm guessing that's
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: why they did the mirror dimension, all these safe reasons
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 7: to have fighting in that. So it's like, it's not
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 7: just something to look at only. It's like, well, all
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 7: the crazy stuff's happening there because, you know, again, like
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 7: as a kid, that's kind of how it was. And
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 7: it comes like, man, these backgrounds are wild and crazy,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: but he's just kind of taking a shortcut like over
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 7: here through it. It wasn't like he hung out in
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 7: those realms and did stuff. You know, he was still
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 7: just a dude in New York, but.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: It does make me wonder, and this I wanted to
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: throw out to you guys, does because we're getting more
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: and more into the magic realm, does magic fit in
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: this Marvel universe that they've now created? It has to
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: because of Infinity Stones.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: I mean, it has to because of Infinity Stones.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: I think it's fit back when they threw Thor in
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: because even Thor.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Made the mention. It had to be crammed in there,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: but it always just seems so uneven to me because again,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: we've got a team where you've got Thor on the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: same team as Hawkeye. You know, like it's, it's, It's
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: so unbalanced sometimes that I'm just like, it seems weird.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, Thor made the comment to Jane that magic
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: was just science that they didn't know how to explain.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: It's just.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: The ancient one kind of tried to do that, too.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 7: They just say something like, oh, well, think of this
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: as the program.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: It's like you don't really have to know it. You
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: just have to believe that's the way it works. So
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: it's sort of a weird mixture of the both.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: It's just going to be getting further and further into
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: that world, which... Again, it is funny that they paired
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: up Thor and Doctor Strange going forward. That's obviously what's next.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 7: It's kind of fun because in the comic, they don't
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 7: get along. They're strange bedfellows. Because, you know, and they
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 7: kind of, I thought they kind of did a good
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 7: job of kind of Dr. Strange was all of a
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 7: sudden real snarky and kind of confident in that stinger.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: All of a sudden, it felt a little bit later.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Again, it felt later.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 7: For him to play the cop with Thor and be like,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 7: you need to get off of Earth. I'm like, oh shit,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 7: they're getting right into it. Because in the comics, Strange
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 7: is like, get the fuck off my planet. I don't
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 7: want any of you foreign people here. So I thought
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 7: it was neat that right off, he's like, your brother's
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 7: a dick and I don't really like you either. So
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 7: let's go get this shit done so you can go home.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: What can we do to get rid of you?
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: I'm willing to work with you to get this taken
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: care of.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 7: So talk about your good cop, bad cop. I mean,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 7: Thor movie, you're going to have Doctor Strange and a Hulk?
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: And Loki.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, I mean. Because we have to have
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 7: Loki in as many movies as possible. I mean, there's
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: going to be so much personalities going on. They have
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 7: a hell of a job writing that script. Because I
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 7: feel like this will really be the real pivot towards Thanos. Like,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 7: they have to be going after Infinity Stones in this.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: I don't see how they aren't. actually seeking the stones
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 7: at this point are we caught up with all of.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: Them i think we're missing one i was i did
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: the rundown yeah too and.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: I was like because we got red i think i was.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 7: Like yeah i think we still need one more we.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: Got red we got green we got the.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 7: Purple one in guardians purple Blue. Vision, because yeah, Vision
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 7: has the.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: And what's left? Like an orange one?
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what they are. Because it
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: listed them all in something I was looking at earlier.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: Because there was red.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 7: Because there was Loki's staff.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: It's blue.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 7: The Tesseract cube. One of those ended up becoming a
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 7: thing in Vision's head.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: Yellow.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 7: There was the one in the second Thor movie.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 7: What was the red? Okay, then we've had the green one.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 7: The Guardians of the Galaxy.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 6: Purple.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: And the Eye of Agamotto.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 6: Green.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: So I think it's an orange one that's left.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 7: Okay, so five. There's one more, which I'm assuming is
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 7: coming in Ragnarok. So, and that's just introduction. Someone still
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 7: has to collect them. I would think that Thor's visions, whatever,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 7: whatever he's doing running around, I'm assuming the light bulb's
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: finally going to go off in this movie where it's like,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 7: wait a minute, someone's collecting these things. And that will
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 7: lead into, you know, our last phase. But it's just, man,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 7: that's a tough script. Hulk, Strange, Thor... That's the.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Saving grace for me is Hulk. Because I'm afraid it's
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: just going to be like the other Thor movies otherwise.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 7: Well, they're going to do Planet Hulk with him, though.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 7: So it's not like he's going to be a cameo.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: If it's going to be a lot of Hulk kicking ass.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 7: He's obviously not going to stay on the planet. But
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 7: there's some... I have heard, spoiler, that there is a
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 7: gladiator fight scene where he kind of like... It's confirmed
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 7: he's like Planet Hulk now. There's some kind of him
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 7: and Thor by some huge fucking creature. And after that,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: it's like Hulk is a little smarter now or something.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if it's literally going to be
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: like 15 or 20 minutes of Planet Hulk. Like it's
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: going to be like an overwatch. opening scene.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, it's not gonna dominate the movie.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: For whatever reason, we're opening on some rando planet in
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: some arena.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 7: And maybe that planet'll have a gem. Maybe that'll be
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 7: the weird tie-in. Like, oh look, there's this orange stone
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 7: and this dude's sword. I don't know if I'm looking
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 7: for that other one.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: I've got this glove that needs something.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 7: I'm curious which one it is, though.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: Hulk is there, Thor drops in and is like, hey,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: I heard you need some help. And Doctor Strange shows
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: up there, too, because he's running around being buddy cops.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: And other universes. I don't know.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 7: Maybe that'll be where Odin is. They can always make
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 7: it like that. Like maybe Loki put Odin on some
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 7: little old time planet and they go there to get
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 7: him and they have to fight all this stuff to
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 7: get him.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like that's the most interesting
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: thing I've heard about. Because again, that second movie, it
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: was just like, again, it's just a whole lot of fighting.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't, it looks cool. I don't
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: hate it.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 7: I just don't care.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Like I just, by the end of it, I'm like,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: all right, and now we're going to go back to
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: a real story where the Avengers come in. And I'm
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: just like, They're always just a, like a, they veer
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: off and do this other little side story that sometimes
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't even factor in. So my, we're at least this one,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: we're going to have an end result. We're going to have,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming the other stone and, but adding the Hulk
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: to it at least gives it something else that makes
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: it different from those other Thor movies.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: I'm got a little more interest now that now that
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: I've heard that, that again, I think it goes back
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: to what we said earlier.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 7: They, for some reason they feel like any villain they
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 7: introduce has to die before it's over.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 7: And I don't, Why can't they just be defeated and
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 7: get away? You don't have to kill the villain at
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: the end of the story. It's okay if you beat
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: him and he gets away. At least then you have potential.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: To do something else with him.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 7: But it's just a way that they don't seem to care.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 7: It's like we went back to a couple of times. Ultron, yeah,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: he's going to die by the end of the movie.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 7: He doesn't have to die. You don't have to kill him.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: It's such a waste of It's such.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 7: Shallow use of such, like I said, they have just
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 7: as much weight. I love Doom as much as I
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 7: love any Avenger. And if you do a Fantastic Four
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: movie or something with Doom and he died at the end,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 7: I'd be furious. I'd be like, you killed Doom? He's
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 7: a great villain. Why would you kill him? You can
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 7: beat him all you want.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: You don't have to kill him. They all need to
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: learn something from Arkham.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 7: Like, just keep him somewhere.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 15: Create them all up somewhere there's your mirror zone like
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 15: create the whole weird prison thing they did in the
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 15: comic book version of civil war and put them put
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 15: them in that other dimension and have them break out
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 15: later like.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Hell we even did that with the avengers last movie
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: like they they put the avengers in prison right right
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: so i'm like.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 7: We can't do that with the bad guys it was
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 7: in another dimension yeah they ripped a hole in a
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 7: dimension and created this prison You could have easily done that.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Hank Pym made it, and he also miniaturized it, too.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: It was in another dimension, and it was miniaturized.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: Sneaky back.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: It was way in there, like three ways from Sunday.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: Nobody was going to get it.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 8: Now they have Doctor Strange. You can just open up
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 8: a portal.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Like, what if?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm disappointed with the way they treat villains. This
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 7: one's really... Like I said, not that Kaecilius was my favorite,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 7: but the actor playing him made me go, oh, wow,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 7: he's going to play Kaecilius?
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: He's got potential, yeah.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 7: All right, this could be good. And then you got
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 7: old dude as Mordo. I'm like, okay, this is looking good.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: So don't kill Baron Mordo in the next movie. Like
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 7: hopefully he sticks around kicking it with Loki and somehow
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 7: ends up with Thanos backstabbing or however they're going to
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 7: play that out. But I mean, it's just going to
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 7: feel really weak if in the end it's just Thanos.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 7: Like he needs some other, you can't have all these
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 7: superheroes fighting one dude, even though that's how it was
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 7: in the comics. I don't think it'll be interesting to watch,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: what is it, like 30-something, 40-something heroes fighting one dude?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: Who's going to be your A team doing the Thanos fighting?
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: Who's going to be your B team doing.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: Well, we know somewhere they're going to swoop in at
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: the last minute with Guardians of the Galaxy because they're
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: not really part of it, but they're going to be
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: in there.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: And Ms.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 8: Marvel.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: And Ms.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: Marvel.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: We've got to work everybody in.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: Okay, so the stones that they have so far. There's
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: the space stone. which is the Tesseract. The Reality Stone,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: which is the Red Stone from Thor Dark World.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: The Power Stone, which is the purple one.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 7: Okay, that was Guardians.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: The Mind Stone, which is the yellow one.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 7: It was in Loki's staff, right? And then they ripped
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 7: it out and put it in Vision's head.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: Isn't that how that worked?
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 7: So that's why Loki had some power.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, because it was the Mind Stone. And then
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: the Time Stone, which is the Anabagomoto.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 7: So that's five. So what, power?
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: No, what's?
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: The Soul Stone is the one that's left.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 7: Oh, we can bring someone back to life.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: We can bring someone back to life.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 7: Well, that's kind of interesting, though. I mean, I'm not
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 7: saying that you would bring Ultron back to fight, but
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 7: I mean, there has to be something.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 14: About the Soul Stone.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 7: He did become a conscious being.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: In the comics, Adam Warlock has the Soul Gem.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 7: Which was the stinger from Guardians of the Galaxy. When
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 7: are they going to introduce him? Because I don't think
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 7: he's in this next Guardians movie either.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: Adam Warlock?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: What was that in the stinger? I don't think I know.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 7: Remember the Howard the Duck?
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 7: If you looked in the background, the cocoon that was
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 7: closed before is open during the stinger. So they acknowledged
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 7: Adam Warlock.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: In the littlest way.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 7: Acknowledged that Adam Warlock... If you've read the comic and
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 7: you know he's in that cocoon, but they haven't put
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 7: him on screen, it kind of makes me wonder if
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 7: they're going to. Because you wait too long, it's going
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 7: to feel really lame that this dude show up like, oh,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 7: I got the last stone and I can do this guy.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 7: Because in the comic, he is the main guy that
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 7: leads the charge against Thanos. So for him to not
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 7: be in it this late in the game.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: They kind of drug out the Thanos thing too long. Like, again,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: it was the first Avengers movie. How many movies ago
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: was that? That he's like, all right, here I come.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 7: I think that's how.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: Four years ago.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 7: It's so exponential, though. I think that Josh Brolin is.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: Just sitting somewhere like, is it my turn yet?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: Am I still getting paid for all these? At the
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: end of every other movie, I go, okay, now I'm
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: getting up. Don't make me get up.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 7: I'm in my chair. I don't want to get up.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 7: Every movie, he's just, fine, I'll do it my damn self.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 7: you kids get my shoes.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: I'm coming. It's just like, it's so dragging it out.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it better be pretty damned impressive.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: Don't make me get my belt.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's Avengers all over again. It was the
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 7: same way. Like, you know, that first time around we
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 7: had those four solo movies that came together and it
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 7: was so amazing. Like it's so next level. This is
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 7: going to be like 30 movies that come together for
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 7: one thing. Like it, the fact that they had that
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 7: super long-term vision and could tease you with them along
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 7: the way, you know, for me, it just gets me
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 7: excited because it's just knowing this is the big bad. Like,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 7: we're beating bad guys, but this is the dude that's really, again,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 7: you know, if they even kind of partially stick to
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 7: the comic, he's going to fuck some people up. This
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 7: dude's not going to go out easy. He's going to
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 7: fuck some people up.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: Again, there should be stakes to this.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, my question is, once they get rid of Thanos
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: and resolve that, what happens next?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 7: I'm the same way. I'm wondering, what do you do next?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: Yesterday, when I was talking to somebody after the movie,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: I was like, because we were talking about.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, like, really, what happens next? Does Marvel sit?
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: You can't get much bigger than Thanos. Well, I mean,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: are they done with this arc? Because that was my question.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, are we done? When we hit
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: the end of this main story, are we then going
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: to kind of, not necessarily reset it, but are we
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: going to, like, this death grip that she.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 7: Has on this whole overview.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: Are we going to let that go and be like, okay,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: we're going to open it up to almost like what
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: the Star Wars universe is doing. We're going to let
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: them do outside stories with way more artsy directors that
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: are going to have to fit in this overview. And
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: we don't necessarily have to tie into the undertones. other universe.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: Unless we want to, we'll make use of it. But otherwise,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: you can do kind of an outline story. with your
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: own weird characters from Marvel that you want to do.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I think at that point they could
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: literally pull names out of a hat and be like,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: what Marvel property do we want to turn into something?
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: And give it to lesser known directors and let them
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: kind of do their own, because now they all have
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: to fit in the same little thing that they're building.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 7: Nobody gets much play.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: The only other big Marvel thing left is like House
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: of M.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: You know, finding some way to merge the current MCU
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: with the X-Men.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 7: Movie universe but that sucks because i feel like i
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 7: still want that good x-men run there's a part of
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 7: me it's like you do x-men next like you you
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 7: finish out thanos but on the side you look at
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 7: sony and go like you you've got about five more
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 7: years before we're gonna take that shit back and do
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 7: it right so you do your thing because i almost
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 7: feel like that's the other big one you can do
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 7: like there's x-men are my favorite like when it individuals
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 7: i love spider-man was like group stuff i was so
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 7: into 90s x-men a I would love all those characters' stories. Me, personally,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 7: if you want to do a nice slow burn on
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 7: X-Men for 10 years after Thanos, I'm down if you
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 7: give it that heart.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: They all have their own solo Wolverine movie only for
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: every character.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 7: The only thing that makes me happy about this Logan movie,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 7: the only thing really.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 7: This Logan movie might be really interesting, but the thing
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 7: that stands out to me that makes it really like,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 7: oh my God, what is that? That girl is X-23.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 7: It's confirmed that is X-23 on film. I'm stoked. I
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 7: want that girl to pop her claws. The fact that Logan,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 7: I assume to some degree, is going to train her.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 7: That makes me excited, but I'm like, for what, though?
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 7: So she can go back into the Sony movies? Like,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 7: you have nowhere for her to go. Like, I like
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 7: what this Logan movie looks like it's doing. I just wish,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 7: I hope that going forward, they do.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: These X-Men stuff right. Like, don't get me wrong. Logan's
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: an important character in the X-Men. Out of all the
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: X-Men characters, Logan is the one that they focused on.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 7: Banner, lighthouse character they've made him, and it just all
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 7: revolves around him.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: It really does.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 7: I mean, in the 90s, Wolverine had a lot of marks, but.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: I think they could have done just as much more
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: with Gene.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 6: Oh, no doubt.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: Centering around Gene than Logan.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Dark Phoenix saga needs to happen.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 6: Like.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 7: And I'm talking about that slow burn. Her and Cyclops,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: you know, slowly falling in love. That whole mission that
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 7: led to the crash in the water. I mean, I
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 7: want that slow burn. The Shi'ar Empire jumping in there.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 7: Her slowly turning evil and using her powers. I want
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 7: that slow burn that leads to that whole... And I mean...
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 7: Because it... I always felt like that's what.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: I always felt like.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 7: That's what the Dark Willow season of Buffy was. It
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 7: was like Joss doing his Dark Phoenix saga. Even the
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 7: way Xander has that heart-to-heart with Dan felt like Cyclops
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 7: having that heart-to-heart with Jean at Dan.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: I was like, this is so... No, that wouldn't be Cyclops.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: That would be Wolverine. But I mean, in the comic,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: it was Cyclops, right?
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 7: That's like Jean, you know, and pulls her good side back.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: It's always Logan.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 7: Wasn't Logan in the comic? I thought Dark Phoenix stuff,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 7: I thought it was Cyclops that got her to come
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 7: back at the end.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: So Cyclops and Jean always have that connection because for
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: whatever reason, they're fated to have that connection. But whenever
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: she goes crazy and goes into Dark Phoenix... Is it
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: Logan that brought her out? It's Logan that always comes
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: back and brings her back because he's kind of the
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: only one that can physically... Well, yeah, she's the only
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: one that can physically take just about anything that she
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: dishes out or that she's like holding back for him
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: because there's some weird connection between him and her there
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: too that only, and that sort of messes up Scott
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: and Logan too because Scott's kind of jealous of that
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: part of it. You know, usually Scott ends up dying
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: or being sort of, take it out of the equation
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: one way or the other. But Logan comes back.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: And brings it back.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 7: I just remember there was a point where Dark Phoenix
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 7: came out of Dark Phoenix for a moment. Her and
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 7: Scott made love or had some moment on a mountaintop.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: And there was something weird. No, for real. And there
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 7: was something where she gave him, they established telepathy. There
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 7: was something where she was like, do you want to
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 7: be in my mind and me in yours? She kind
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 7: of asked him and he's like, yes. And it's like
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 7: from then on, he can kind of talk in her head.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 7: And I thought that when the last shit was going down,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 7: Scott was just pleading with her and talking about who
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 7: she was and how much he loved her. And I
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 7: thought it was... It doesn't matter, but I'm just saying
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 7: that kind of stuff could easily.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: All that happened before she had died that time and
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: before he started having his relationship with Emma. Because there
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: was that thing going on for a long time when
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: Jean was dead. And then the Shi'ar came back for
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: some reason and resurrected Jean. Jean in order to kill her,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: which was, or will in order to destroy the Phoenix entity.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: And I remember, I remember reading like.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 7: Cause she blew up that universe.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I remember reading one of them, like, you know,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: how do you blow up a fraction of infinity? Like,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: how do you destroy?
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 7: This is way too complicated.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: But she came back and somehow Emma conned the Phoenix
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: out of Jean into her.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 9: Oh.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: And she kind of went crazy. Because she didn't know
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: how to control the Phoenix. And something with Scott popped
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: up in there, too, that Jean didn't like, that she
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: realized that Emma and Scott had been a thing for
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: a while.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 7: Which was weird.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it went all crazy. So Jean eventually ended up
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: literally ripping the Phoenix out of Emma, taking it back.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: It's ironic because the Dark Phoenix established.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 7: So much great stuff for X-Men, but ultimately they regurgitated
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 7: it so much and ended up bringing it back. Like when,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 7: what was it? The X-Men vs.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Avengers.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 7: Ended up being about Phoenix shit. Like some of the
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 7: Phoenix came back again and gave like Scott and like
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 7: Namor and a couple people the power to Phoenix. Like, guys,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 7: I get the Phoenix. The Phoenix saga is great. It
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 7: is one of the greatest story arcs I've read in comics.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 7: But let it go. Like, let it go.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, Galactus is showing up? Hey, Phoenix, where you at?
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 7: Throw up the Phoenix signal.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 9: Phoenix away!
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 7: No, it is interesting because, I mean, you know, you
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 7: have Marvel Studios now. They're not just going to, like,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 7: at the end of the Thanos movie go, well, we're done.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 7: I mean, they're going to do something. So either it's
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 7: a reboot everything or.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's what I'm like. I think they're
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: going to hand it off and be like, okay, we're
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: just not... Again, because they're on Disney now and, like,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: Disney's okay with that. They're like, we're going to do
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: this Star Wars saga and then we're going to do
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: individual Star Wars universe movies. So I think they're going
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: to have to let go of that grip. That's like,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: everything has to fit in this universe. Where they're going
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: to be like, just do your side story. And take
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: all your Marvel characters you want to and do your
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: own thing with them. They're going to have to somewhere
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: down the line. You can't keep doing this arc forever.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: Sooner or later.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 7: Just the actors and stuff get old too. You can't
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 7: play Captain America anymore.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: You're great. I feel like that's definitely going to have
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: to happen. The other thing I was noticing in all
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: of this, while we're just doing general Marvel craziness, what
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: I keep seeing in the series world, not so much
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: in the movie world, but the series seems like it's
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: getting closer and closer to the X-Men existence of, oh,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: you're one of them.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, people know you.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of that in Jessica Jones and Luke Cage.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 7: There's a lot of, oh, you're one of them.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, are we going to build this world
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: where it's, humans versus the powers people? Is it going
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: to start segmenting them off?
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: That whole civil rights issue of mutants versus non-mutants was
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: a big thing that hit well for X-Men anyway. That
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: stands to reason that that's kind of what Marvel has
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: that they can use right now is in humans.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 7: That's what I was going to say.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: When they don't have the X-Men to pull from, are
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: they still going to bother to do that in this
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: other you know again i don't think they're bothering with
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: the movie universe because it's got a bigger arc going
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: on but i think they're doing it they feel like
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: they're kind of leading there they're.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: Doing it in the way that makes the most sense
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: for today yeah like if they were trying to do.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 7: This frighteningly accurate yeah if they were.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: Trying to do this like 20 or 30 years ago
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: it'd be a completely set of a completely different set
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: of storylines.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: Yes which is why i think the shifting in civil
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: war worked pretty well too because it It plays on
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: more of the stuff that's going on now and in
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: that storyline versus what was going on in the comic
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: when they wrote it. So they can kind of update
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: that stuff and change it so that it works better
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: watching it now. So I'm just kind of interested to
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: see where they go with that storyline and if they're
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: going to keep building up this thing with each new
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: series that crosses over as we get back to Daredevil
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: and as we get another Jessica Jones.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 7: And we start getting all of this.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: Heroes for Hire.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like they're going to have to finish
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: out that plot somewhere down there where they're like, either
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: everybody becomes okay with these characters or they have problems
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: with them and want to start segmenting people. It can
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: go a couple of interesting ways. I'm interested to see
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: what they do with that.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 7: They need to just buy DC. hey i mean that's
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 7: not about the perfect cycle i mean you you finish
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 7: this out you do thanos you buy dc then you
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 7: spend 10 years doing a dc movies and go all
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 7: right it's been 10 12 years let's go back to
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 7: marvel let's do marvel again that was.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite little geek world things that i
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: just saw it was on the teen titans this new
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: version of teen titans and they were they were the
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: one where they go to try to pretend like they're
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: being the Justice League and And they're all dressed in
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: their outfits, and they're like, oh, the real Justice League's.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 7: Been kidnapped by Darkseid. And he's like, he's more powerful
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 7: than him.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: They're like, more powerful than Superman?
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 7: More powerful than Wonder Woman?
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 7: More powerful than Spider-Man?
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: Well, Spider-Man wouldn't fight him.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: And they're like, well, why not? Well, he just wouldn't. Well,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: that just kind of makes him lazy, doesn't it?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 7: He's like, I've lost a lot of respect for Spider-Man.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, there's a lot of clever DC Marvel
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: jokes in the middle of Teen Titans. I thought that
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: was funny.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 7: Not to get really crazy, but if Disney... by DC
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 7: talk about revolutionary like I know some people would hate
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 7: that I'm even about to say this but if you
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 7: put DC and Marvel not in the same world but
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 7: go they are parallel dimensions where they can interact I
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 7: want to read that Spider-Man Flash crossover I want to
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 7: read that Batman Wolverine crossover I want to read so
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 7: many of those people working together or fighting people together
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 7: that that opens everything they had.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: A Batman Wolverine crossover way back when called was it
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: Dark Claw the Amalgam crossover.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 7: Hawkeye versus Green Arrow. Yeah, what was in the 90s? Well,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 7: that's what's so weird. I think I mentioned this before, actually,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 7: where everything is so Coke and Pepsi with comics right now.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 7: DC people hate Marvel, Marvel hates DC. It didn't used
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 7: to be like that. I remember in the 90s, they
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 7: had a crossover over the summer where they pitted DC
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 7: people versus Marvel people and they let the fans vote
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 7: and the votes decided who would win in the issues.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 7: And it was like, Superman versus Captain America, Batman versus Wolverine,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 7: Spider-Man versus... I kind of remember that, yeah. But they
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 7: were all matched up with the big guys from both sides.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: Damage control, that's who they were called.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: Ah, the clean-up crew. Interesting, right on.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 7: So is it going to happen?
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: Are they talking about it? See, I don't... This article's
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: a year old, so I don't know. So not anytime soon.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: I know it's been thrown around. as a possible like
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: series to, um, to accompany agents of shield. Like it was,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: I guess like a, like a offshoot.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: Still going to be TV based.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: And the whole idea is to all the stuff that
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: goes into the cleanup of everything that all the Marvel
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: superheroes go through. And every time like buildings get damaged,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: like who, who takes care of the leftovers and the
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: shit afterwards in this group called the damage control. And
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: they're just, they're just people. Like none of them really
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: have any special powers. There may be like one or two,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: but they're just people that go around and like help
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: out everybody else after and, you know, do, do the
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: damage control. They're like a, I think they're like an
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: insurance agency. Interesting. It was, was essentially the, the whole
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: thing that I think they worked alongside shield in order to,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: that was their, their literal like cleanup crew in order
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: to just like help take care of people. But yeah,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: there's been show ideas to throw it around, but so
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: far as I've heard, nothing new as far as if
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: it's getting off the ground.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: It seems like that would be hard to make work.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 7: You would need a lot of cameos. You would need
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 7: a lot of cameos. At the very least, the beginning
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 7: needs to be a big fight, and then it's them
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 7: cleaning up afterwards, talking shit about.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: It or something.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: I think that's the problem, is that it's so going
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: to be centered around the fallout from... other superheroes doing stuff.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 7: It's like, how many catastrophes can we have in a
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 7: season so that there's enough?
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 7: I would like to see shield connect with the Netflix shit.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 7: Like why is it? I mean, that is at least
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 7: the same universe, right?
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 7: The TV Marvel.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: So why hasn't TV Marvel, they showed up in hell's kitchen,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: but for some reason they don't want to, they don't
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: want to cross over. They don't want to cross-contaminate.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of okay with that, just because I love
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: what they're doing on the Netflix one, and I don't
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: really care about the S.H.I.E.L.D.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: I would at least like S.H.I.E.L.D. to acknowledge that there
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: are things going on that people, that they have agents
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: looking into.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: They're too bottled.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 7: It feels bottled on S.H.I.E.L.D.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: Could you guys go check that out? All right, move
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: on to the rest of the storyline.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: And at this point, aren't they all just agents of
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: Hydra anyway?
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, S.H.I.E.L.D.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 7: Is kind of- They kept the title name after the movie.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: I was like, S.H.I.E.L.D.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 7: Is kind of not S.H.I.E.L.D., right?
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: That's what we've learned. So agents of Hydra coming this fall.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 7: That's funny. I never thought about that, how.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: It kind of- And I think that's still kind of-
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: That was the one good thing that S.H.I.E.L.D. had as
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: a villain was another organization like Hydra.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: And now kind of without Hydra, S.H.I.E.L.D. is in this
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: weird place. They don't have.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 7: It goes back to the whole villain thing. They don't
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 7: have identity. They don't have the villains right. You don't
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 7: have Hulk Hogan without Rowdy Roddy Piper. You need that
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 7: bad guy too. And they keep just throwing the bad
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 7: guys over the cliff.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: And it's... I mean, Hydra's still out there. They're just not.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: I like that. It was so ingrained into our game.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: world into our lives that we didn't even know what
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: was going on that i kind of feel like there
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: is a bigger threat that's just kind of waiting out
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: there that's still more or less hydra in this new
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: cut off the head a bigger head appears hydra vision you.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 7: Know they could do to fear stuff wasn't it was
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 7: it uh the red skull's daughter that found the weird
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 7: power source what was it like five years ago i
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 7: was in comics where there was like i don't remember
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 7: there was like these weird Amulets or gems or something.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 7: It wasn't Infinity Stone stuff, but it was something because
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 7: it wasn't about power. It had something to do with
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 7: like when the person touched it, their consciousness was like
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 7: overtaken by like. this entity that was just called fear.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 7: And it was just about the, it was a little
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 7: bit like that. Um, the, uh, the dark green lantern
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 7: shit that happened.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 7: It was kind of like that, but it was in
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 7: a Marvel universe. Cause like the word touched one and
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 7: he was immediately like evil.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: It was weird.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 7: Cause good guys and bad guys ended up touching these five,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 7: six stones and they all became like this evil click.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 7: And I want to say the main entity, it was
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 7: called like fear. But that would be some, I'm just
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 7: thinking like what you do after Thanos. That's something you
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 7: could do where it grabs people here and there. You
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 7: could do that in one or two movies.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, that sounds like that would work pretty well
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. as it is now. It's a
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: pretty low ball.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they can even be investigating that stuff now.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: Like not just superheroes, just like other or lesser heroes.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 7: Because it was a Hydra thing. It ends up it
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 7: was the Red Skull's daughter found like her dad's diary
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 7: something about some hidden thing that he was working on
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 7: it's like in Antarctica and she digs and she finds
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 7: something I forget the way it literally worked but it
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 7: was something where she had coordinates for like these objects
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 7: or these weapons but like as soon as you touched
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 7: it like it took over you and so like while
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 7: everyone's out trying to get these things some good guys
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 7: touched it too so it was this weird thing where
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 7: you had like bad guys and good guys, but they
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 7: were all in this clique together, like, trying to destroy
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 7: the Earth and stuff. It was neat. It was good for, like,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 7: a one-shot kind of thing, but that'd be fun in
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 7: a movie. It'd be fun to see, like, an evil
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 7: Thor and an evil Hulk, like, a truly evil Hulk.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 7: Because that's a movie in itself. You could do a
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 7: whole movie with just them fighting the Hulk.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: It's just sheer destruction the whole time.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 7: Because, I mean, that's what leads to Planet Hulk. Like,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 7: when they realize they can't beat the Hulk.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Period.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 7: You can't. You just have to, like, knock them off
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 7: the planet because you don't know what to do with them. Yeah.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: It's like, go sit in a corner.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 7: Go sit in the other corner of the known existence.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: It's like, just rampage through that planet for a while.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: We'll call you when we need you.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: Just leave us alone. Well, as usual, that's why it's
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: the Marvel Super Special. We've been all over the map
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: with Marvel. So, just to wrap up the Doctor Strange thing,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've certainly given my take on it, so
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know. What is sort of the wrap-up you've
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: all had with The experience as a whole, I guess,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: with Doctor Strange.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: I'm curious to see what they'll do with Mordo and
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: a possible second movie if there's a second movie. But
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised and I wouldn't be sad if
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: they didn't make a second movie. So long as they
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: still use Mordo. Which they must since they put that
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: stinger in there.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. They're planning something.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: I like what they've done. with with dr strange with
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: even what little i.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 7: Know he looks great i think he looked in that
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 7: the end shots looks great everything.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: I think the effects were all really good too i'm.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: Curious to see where they take his character and and
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: where he takes everyone else.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: And on that stinger thing i was going into that
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: earlier that that benjamin bratt guy that we all you
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: know our favorite dude from miss congeniality he is an
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: original character he's not part of the that character name
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: that that there is no story arc with him. So
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: they created him for this movie.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: For some reason, I was thinking they were going to
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: throw in like Fing Fang Foom in there.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm like, that seems like that's too, like, again,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: it's rare that they would get even a, you know,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: a semi-known actor to play nobody. So the fact that
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: they planted him in there, that far in I'm just
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: like you know somewhere down the line they've got something
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: in mind for him right like he's going to come
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: back and be magical and fight with Doctor Strange somewhere
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: down the line or something like that or he's going
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: to be a villain somewhere down the line something's going
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: to happen with that character because it'd be different if
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: it was like an in joke for the comic books
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: but he's not it's an original creation that I'm like
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: okay that means they're planning something especially casting it with
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: somebody that's a known actor I.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 7: Got the impression it was it was a writer's way
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 7: to get him to the ancient one. Instead of having
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 7: him like, you know, trying to do a montage of
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 7: him scouring the earth. I think it does. up stuff
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 7: online it was it was a way to have a
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 7: local guy that could go hey you should go over there.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: It was a very practical way to do that instead
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: of years and years which again they still do years
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: and years but they don't tell us about it is
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: the problem.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 7: I think I wish I would have like I I
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 7: enjoyed the movie being someone that came you know from
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 7: reading comics I felt like again it's where it My
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 7: view skews. I don't know if I can say it's
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 7: a good movie, but as someone that read the comic,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 7: I really enjoyed this movie as a representation of the comic.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 7: I wish instead of Kaecilius, they would have did his
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 7: original kind of first rival, Nightmare, because you could have
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 7: had him training and having maybe these really fucked up
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 7: dreams where you have this weird visual battles where he's
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 7: somehow being harassed by Nightmare and maybe the Ancient One
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 7: has to kind of help him deal with that. I
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 7: would have liked To have seen something like that where
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 7: it still would have had him training the whole time
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 7: and even being mentored more instead of just out the gate,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 7: like killed his guy. It could have been structured a
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 7: little differently.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a little more training and a little
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: more that nod to where, oh yeah, he's a good study,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: but he still needs to actually learn through and train
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: things and figure out things and get over his own
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: self in order to get through it would have served
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: a lot better.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: Because I feel like it is just sort of thrown
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: at us. And we don't know why.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: His whole training happened too quick. I didn't get any
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 4: kind of.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 8: Sense of time.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: It was super condensed.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 8: Everything did seem kind of rushed with his training. And
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 8: then him just suddenly being great.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: And also not being a dick.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 7: He's just a jerk.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden he's like, I'm going
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: to save the universe. When did this happen? The other thing,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: back to my point about the series having such well-written characters...
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: whatever notebook girl has nothing to do in this. No offense,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: she seems like a decent actress, but I'm like, that
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: character is so wasted.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 4: Even she mentioned that everything he's done is still self-serving.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: He didn't really save the world because the world needed
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: to be saved. He saved the world because.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 7: His life was in danger.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: It was in his best interest that the world was saved,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: not really because it needed to be saved. So he
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: still keeps that that that um a little bit of
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: arrogance about his character that keeps it true and i.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: Think i think that almost has to be there like
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: that's still part of who he is yeah that's how
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: i caught it like when everything got wrapped up in
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: it and he got thrown into the the new york
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: sanctum and he had he had to fight for his
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: life because he didn't want to die i mean who
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: wants to die there's a way to balance that though
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: because that's what i've been so impressed with with that
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: tony stark character because he's still an arrogant prick but
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: he you see the nobility in him that like you
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: can't deny him like damn it he's a good guy
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: like at heart he still wants to be the best
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: person he can be.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: Now he's also looking out for you know the betterment
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: of of his own property too as far as stark
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: tech like he doesn't want all the things that he's
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: created To get into the wrong hands and be used
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: for the wrong reasons.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 7: He learned that lesson in the beginning.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: After finally actually seeing what they do. What the things
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: that he builds, what they're actually used for. Instead of just, oh,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: I built this cool thing. Hey, you guys can have it.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: How much?
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: And for him, it wasn't even about dollar signs. It
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 4: was just something cool to build and someone else could use.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 7: Just him trying to outdo his father and stuff, too.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: Until he realized that, oh, this shit actually does damage.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: I feel like that is showing what you can do
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: with a character. And again, of the problems that have
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: been in some of the bigger Marvel movies, that character's
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: always been impressive. And I'm fine with the Doctor Strange,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: but I don't get that dynamic from him. It just
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: seems a little more... just cut and dry of like, okay,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: I'm a jerk. Okay.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: I got it.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: It's just kind of filling in the blanks of what
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: we need to happen in this movie.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 7: Honestly, in a comic, I don't remember many storylines that
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 7: are about personal shit. It's always this demon, this dimension,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 7: this entity, this thing.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: It's never like, I'm Doctor Strange. I'm the shit. Let's
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: take care of it.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's never about him at home. There's no demon
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 7: in a bottle episode. It's just him as the source
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 7: of Supreme. So he's not one of those personable kind
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 7: of characters, even in the comic.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: He's just an eccentric dude in the background.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: So maybe I had the right reaction to this movie.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 7: It's not personable at all for me. And in the comic,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 7: he's a lot like Tony Stark. So I know, not
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 7: defending the movie, the movie definitely has an Iron Man
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 7: formula going on. But in the comic world, They're very similar.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 7: They're both narcissistic people that think they know what's right.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 8: Makeable to see them interact.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: And they both feel they have the power to change
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: the things for the better of everyone.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: Is that where everyone lands on it?
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 7: It's functional.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I liked it.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 7: When I read the comic, I was happy. And like
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 7: I said, I'm just kind of repeating myself now, but
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 7: I just felt like the comic was such a visual
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 7: thing more than it was a substance thing that I
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 7: was just like, this is going to have to be
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 7: super pretty to even kind of do what they do
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 7: on the pages. And they nailed that part.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: It looks pretty good. Again, I was okay with that
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: aspect of it. Again, I just wanted something else.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 7: I just wish it was utilized better. I feel like
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 7: if it had been Nightmare, it just could have been
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 7: something where he has these haunting dreams and he's being
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 7: attacked by this entity in this dreamlike world and have...
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 7: you know, first couple dreams, he gets killed or, you know,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 7: is running away screaming. But by the end, he's standing
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 7: up to this nightmare entity in his dreams.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 8: It could have been super surreal.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 7: It would give you a reason to have those weird visuals.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 4: Maybe the next movie, they will get Guillermo del Toro
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: to come in.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 7: Oh, that'd be fantastic.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: Do some screen direction.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: Again, he's almost got too much style. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 7: They won't let directors with.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: Too much style come on board. That's why I'd love
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: to see them like finish this section and be like, okay,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: now we're going to let you guys do whatever you
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: want with them.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: It's like, now he's here. How weird can we get?
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 7: Like Guillermo, you've got visual style.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: You've got your own sense of the way you like
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: to structure your stories. Like go to town, do whatever
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: the hell you want with these properties. And then we'll
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: just get another hell boy, basically, which I'm fine with.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: So, Yeah, I'd like, again, I'm kind of looking forward
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: to getting to that point too, as much as I
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: like what they're doing with some of these.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 4: Because currently I can't think of anyone else off the
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: top of my head that would have just that weird,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: surreal style that could make something that would work well
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: for Doctor Strange.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 7: There's the dude that did Melancholia. What's that dude's name?
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 7: That loves the super slow motion.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, von Trier.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 7: Almost.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: That's super artsy.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 7: Not quite.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: For a Marvel movie, that's super artsy.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, just, well, it's mostly slow motion. But, I mean,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 7: he does have some great shots and stuff. I can
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 7: see maybe.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 8: I think he's too arrogant to try to want to.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 4: Do a superhero movie.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 7: Plus, he would want his one skinny girl to be
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 7: the lead in it.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: Who did Direction Behind, Event Horizon?
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 9: Oh, man.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 7: Who was, who did Direction Behind?
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: Oh, Event Horizon? Event Horizon, yeah.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 8: I watched that again recently. I can't remember.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: Don't know if I knew to begin with.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 4: But, I mean, that could be something to, like, explore
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 4: too for i mean that's just that kind of horrifying.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah if you do if you like i said that's
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 7: why i'm jumping.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: In the hell dimensions yeah make it crazy it's.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 7: Kind of a shame that you know like i said
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 7: they kind of cashed in on ghost riders so quick
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 7: because he'd be a great at least you know someone
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 7: to introduce the hell world stuff now that we've got
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 7: dr strange and magic like he would have been a
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 7: great theatrical way to be like hey look at this
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 7: fucking weird hell world.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: Doug Bradley is not happy with what they're doing with
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: Hellraiser now, so we could probably get him on board
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: with just about any better option, and then we could
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: have Pinhead. You've got to get some licensing going on here,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: but Clive's ready to cut that loose anyway, so I
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: think we could bring, you know, Hellraiser into the Hell
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: dimensions for a big super crossover here. This is what
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: we need.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 7: Everything in the same universe.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 5: All of it.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: Didn't they try to do that with Cabin in the Woods?
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 7: That's pretty much what it is. They just did kind
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 7: of knockoff versions.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 11: Of all those.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 7: I remember like screenshotting, or not, like pausing a screen
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 7: and like, I know that there was definitely ETs. Wasn't
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 7: there Kremlins? Am I crazy? Like, I remember that one
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 7: shot that pants. Or are you thinking of the Senate
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 7: of Star Wars Phantom Menace?
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: Because there are ETs in there.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 7: No, I remember that too. But I... Isn't it Cabin
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 7: in the Woods that has a bunch of... I thought
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 7: when it did that one big paint away that there's
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 7: a bunch of.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: But they're kind of like knockoff. Like everybody's sort of
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: like a generic version of every... Because there is sort
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: of like a Pinhead and a Jason and a Freddy,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: but they're all kind of like.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: The generic ones. The greatest thing in Cabin in the
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: Woods is still that damn unicorn. Just that rampaging unicorn
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: just takes out that dude.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: That's all you need. Crazy unicorn. That's what I wanted.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: A unicorn in my Black Light Poster world. On that note,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: I think we should wrap it up. If nothing else,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: we've been coming to you from Gallery K. Thank you
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: to Gallery K for letting us come here and loiter
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: about and yammer on about Marvel. They are galleryk.net and
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: go see what they've got in the works and come
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: here and hang out like we do. You can talk
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: about Marvel if you want. I don't know if you'll
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: record it and turn it into this craziness, but you
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: can definitely loiter about and talk about marvel until will
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: kicks you out like he's gonna do with us in
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: a minute so all right anything else to pass along
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: to people before we get the hell out of.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: Here what's what's next coming up star wars.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: Star wars that's our next super.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 14: Geeky property get to see case alias actually act this
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 14: time who is he in star wars he he's he's
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 14: the guy that invented the death star he's the engineer
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 14: of the Death Star.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 7: From the trailer, he's the dude that seems to be
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 7: like that they keep coming after and kidnapping over and over.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 7: It seems like he's the engineer.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: I didn't put the two and two together. That's the
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 4: same guy.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 7: Oh, it is though, right? Am I crazy?
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 7: It's the guy from.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: Hannibal, right?
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 8: You're talking about Mads Mikkelsen?
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Mads Mikkelsen. Yeah, he's in Rogue. That's awesome. Yeah,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 7: he's the father of the girl.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: All of the casting seems pretty good so far. Again,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: I've tried to not watch some of these new trailers.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I just kind of want to see it now.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 7: And the dork in me is so giddy to see
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 7: Donnie Yen in a Star Wars movie. I know that
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 7: means nothing, but to me, Donnie Yen being in a
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 7: Star Wars movie just makes me so happy. Even if
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 7: he is a cliche blind swordsman thing, it's like, whatever,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 7: it's Donnie Yen.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: So, coming soon to a podcast near you lots of
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: star wars talk otherwise that about does it we will
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: return next time same geek feed thanks for listening.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: Soothe my head. Turn my blue heart to red.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 7: Doctor, doctor, give me the news. I got a.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: Bad case of loving you.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: No pills gonna kill my ill. I got a Things
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: don't make no pretty heart I learned that, buddy, from
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: the start You think I'm cute.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 9: A little bit shy.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: Mama, I ain't that kind of guy.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 9: Doctor, doctor, give me the news.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: I got a bad case of love in you.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 9: No pills gonna kill my head.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: I got a bad case of love in you.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 7: You like it on top.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: Tell me, mama, are you gonna stop? You had me
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: down with 21 misses. Smile at you, kiss on your lips.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 9: Doctor, doctor, give me.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: The news I've got a bad case of.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 9: Love in you No pill's gonna.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: Kill me I've got a bad case of love.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 6: In you.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: Is it really sad that I went into Doctor Strange
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 4: looking for things to nitpick.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: And found nothing?
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: I was actually kind of surprised. I couldn't find anything
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: to nitpick about.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: Again, that was my take on it. That was almost
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: my problem with it. I kind of wanted more out
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: of it than that. It didn't even deliver nitpickiness. It
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: was just so meh.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: I was more happy that I couldn't nitpick about it.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 4: I was just like, I like it.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 9: It's good. Nothing bad to say.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: That was my bad to say. I wanted more from it.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: Maybe more risks.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it seems very.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: What's the least amount of stuff we can do to
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: kind of hit all these points we need to hit
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: so we can get to that next Thor movie? That
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: kind of felt like part of it.
• 1:53:11
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