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HR2: Live from Training Camp 2026 Day 14 · In the Locker Room presented by Neighborhood Ford Store (Pittsburgh Steelers)

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  Speaker 3: That was great. But listen, listen.
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  Speaker 2: They were the postgame pizza sponsor after after the game
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  Speaker 2: on Thursday night, yep, I can tell you. And nothing
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  Speaker 2: against their phenomenal staff up there in the press box
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  Speaker 2: at Acre Stadium, but that was a welcome surprise. It
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  Speaker 2: cuts a little square cut Sicilian style good pep I
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  Speaker 2: mean little cut Pepperoni.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it was, and they got the cheese loosing.
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  Speaker 3: Off extra extra mots on it.
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  Speaker 4: So it was And you know, Max, that's important for
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  Speaker 4: me because you know my diet now is I limit
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  Speaker 4: my carbs. So when it comes to pizza, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of times I just scraped the toppings off and I
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  Speaker 4: have a little bit of crush, not a whole lot
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  Speaker 4: that I try to keep my but it's important for
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  Speaker 4: me to have a pizza that the toppings are not sparse.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of toppings. I'm a pepperoni guy, So
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  Speaker 4: for me, that was perfect. On Thursday night, man, I
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  Speaker 4: downed like three of those, like nobody's business.
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  Speaker 3: Afterwards, it was it was good. I had a nice,
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  Speaker 3: healthy slice.
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  Speaker 2: And then you know, on the Green Bay Packers side,
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  Speaker 2: so Packers Radio is normally right next to us in
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  Speaker 2: our booth, but for the preseason Packers had TV and
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  Speaker 2: so one of my good buddies, of course form in
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  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh's seer, John Coon was the analyst for the Packers,
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  Speaker 2: also legendary for Shippensburg. Yeah, so so it was good
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  Speaker 2: to see John. And then his play by play guy,
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  Speaker 2: the legendary the voice Kevin Harlan. And Kevin was over there,
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  Speaker 2: and you know I cut my teeth as a young
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  Speaker 2: guy with Kevin Hart.
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  Speaker 3: We're you about to say?
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  Speaker 4: No, I was gonna say so that. So I saw
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  Speaker 4: Kevin Harlaneah, but you just answered my question because I
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  Speaker 4: saw who was doing the game with him. I had
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  Speaker 4: no clue who that was. Yeah, but I'm glad you
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  Speaker 4: so I And I actually had forgotten to say to
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  Speaker 4: you or Rob in the booth, Hey, do you guys know?
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  Speaker 4: Because I said to Wes Jueler, who was next to me,
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  Speaker 4: I said, west do you know who that is doing
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  Speaker 4: the game with Harlan? He goes, no, I have no clue.
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  Speaker 3: I had no clue.
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  Speaker 4: It was okay, well, good now we know.
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  Speaker 3: Now we know.
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  Speaker 2: And John normally in season is the radio sideline for
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  Speaker 2: the Crapers. So in preseason, just like Charlie comes and
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  Speaker 2: does a color for TV with Pomp, you know, John
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  Speaker 2: came over and did the TV. But but Kevin Harlan.
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  Speaker 2: I cut my teeth as a young broadcaster with Kevin
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  Speaker 2: and Kurt Warner and Monday Night football for Westwood One. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was so I was, I was, I was, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I got my shot to first start doing
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  Speaker 2: that after I'd started doing some high school football calls.
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  Speaker 3: And learned a lot from Kevin.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, when you spend time with your cruise
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  Speaker 2: and you know, we go to pre and post post
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  Speaker 2: game dinners together, have our production meetings, Kevin Harlan could
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  Speaker 2: easily house like if if I had to pick, like, okay, man,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to a food eating contest and we gotta
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  Speaker 2: we gotta get volume. Kevin Harlan's who I'm putting on
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  Speaker 2: my list. You never know, and it's just it's so subtle.
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  Speaker 2: Harlan like you.
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  Speaker 3: But Harlan ate all the crust with it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he went for We were in Charlotte one
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  Speaker 2: night and we had just done the Panthers a Panthers game,
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  Speaker 2: and we went to this Red Eyed diner right downtown
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  Speaker 2: in Charlotte, and I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Sitting I'm like, man, you know, what do I get?
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  Speaker 3: You know? I ended up going like it was a
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  Speaker 3: a little for mashed potatoes, Like it was a straight diner.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin ordered a whole chicken, like eight pieces of fried
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  Speaker 2: chicken and the sides. He downed it all and didn't
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  Speaker 2: think twice about it, like didn't bat an eye, and
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't like and it was like like biscuits, like
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  Speaker 2: there was a gravy that was with it.
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  Speaker 3: And and then I.
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  Speaker 2: Think I think it was a potato. Yeah no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: he was I think it was green beans. I think
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  Speaker 2: it was green beans.
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  Speaker 3: But housed it all like debone, like how we eat.
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  Speaker 2: Chicken wings as we just saw clean, this is a
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  Speaker 2: whole chicken. So Kevin was up there, so you said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean he was like, oh this is delicious. It's
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  Speaker 2: like Kevin, I know, but I digressed. That was a
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  Speaker 2: fun little sidebar story from the game. But we were
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  Speaker 2: gonna talk about offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, what are your I mean, let give
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  Speaker 3: you your thoughts, and I'm gonna start to look for
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  Speaker 3: my soapbox.
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  Speaker 4: I thought it was a tough start. Dylan Cook too
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  Speaker 4: early sacks giving up. I also noted Troy Futanho had
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  Speaker 4: that early penalty on the drive. That's not especially and
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  Speaker 4: I think it's more important for Dylan Cook because he's
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  Speaker 4: in that battle right now. Max right with with with
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  Speaker 4: another Max MAXI on Achory good name as you and
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  Speaker 4: I always talked about for an offensive lineman, so not
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  Speaker 4: that you know. I thought I had a lot of
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  Speaker 4: upside on Dylan Cook at the end of twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: five going into this season, and I still do. It's
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  Speaker 4: only one preseason game, so you can't judge all the
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  Speaker 4: work on just and what did he play maybe the
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  Speaker 4: first two or three series.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how much he played. He played the
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  Speaker 3: first half? Oh really?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, okay, so he played.
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  Speaker 3: Him with him and Spence, okay.
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  Speaker 4: And I know I also know on the flip side
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  Speaker 4: of that, Roger Jones had the most snaps I think
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  Speaker 4: out of all the offensive linemen, right like fIF five
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  Speaker 4: or sixty somewhere in there, So he got a lot
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  Speaker 4: of work in. And now I always say when we're
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  Speaker 4: doing games, if you don't talk about an offensive lineman,
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  Speaker 4: that's a good thing. That means he's doing his job.
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  Speaker 4: Because the only time you really talk about an offensive
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  Speaker 4: lineman is if he's called for a penody or he
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  Speaker 4: misses a block. Right, So if you're not talking about
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  Speaker 4: an offensive lineman, normally they're doing their job and they're
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  Speaker 4: and they're in a good spot. So I didn't talk
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  Speaker 4: about Broderick Jones much or I didn't talk about him,
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  Speaker 4: and all you guys were doing the game, but with
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  Speaker 4: West Jeweler on the flip side him and I watching
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  Speaker 4: the game and doing our thing behind you and Rob,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't talk about Broderick Jones. So my thinking is
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  Speaker 4: Broderick Jones had a clean game. You can correct me
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  Speaker 4: if he didn't. But I did notice Dial and Cook
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  Speaker 4: a few times, and I did notice Troy Fontana a
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  Speaker 4: few times, So that stood out to me early on,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, it got better as it went on.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Zach Frasier's still a beast at center. No
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  Speaker 4: worries there right when you look at the rest of
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  Speaker 4: the offensive line for the Steelers, Mason McCormick, Spencer Anderson,
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  Speaker 4: you said, played the whole game too, along with you
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  Speaker 4: just about him. I think I think Spencer Anderson's doing
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  Speaker 4: a great job at right guard. I do from what
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  Speaker 4: I've seen up here at camp so far. I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to clear him the victor yet because I know
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  Speaker 4: brock Hoffman's h He's a dog man. He's a dog that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he got he got some reps too. Jennings Dunker's also.
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  Speaker 4: But I think right now Spencer Anderson's in the elite spot.
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  Speaker 4: Dylan Cook, I'm not too sure. I got to see
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  Speaker 4: more maxi Ona Chory. What we saw before he got
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  Speaker 4: hurt was brilliant. We were excited about it. But now
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  Speaker 4: he has to get on the field.
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  Speaker 2: If he doesn't practice tomorrow, I don't see him playing Friday.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be honest with you, And.
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  Speaker 3: That's not about punishing him.
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  Speaker 2: It's about it would be irresponsible to put him in
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  Speaker 2: with the lack of practice, like full speed practice. So
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  Speaker 2: I need him because when I put him out there.
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  Speaker 2: Once I put him out there, you can't untake that.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said this, especially for a rookie, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's only one first impression. It's just the first thing
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  Speaker 2: you said earlier. So you have to make sure that
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  Speaker 2: if when you step out there, you're putting him in
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  Speaker 2: the most advantageous, positive position to make the best case
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  Speaker 2: for himself. So I just wouldn't do it if I
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  Speaker 2: don't get any padded practices out here from him since
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  Speaker 2: he was injured, and then when we go back to
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  Speaker 2: the South Side, obviously none of us will know what
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  Speaker 2: that practice looks like since we won't have access to that.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know if if that's.
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  Speaker 2: A padded practice on Wednesday. You got to practice to
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  Speaker 2: play right, have to practice him not make the club
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  Speaker 2: in the tub.
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  Speaker 3: And especially when you're talking about a starting position.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going out on hopes and wishes for a
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  Speaker 2: starting position, like if you are the guy, if you know,
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  Speaker 2: just like we see with these quarterbacks right when you
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  Speaker 2: see first round quarterbacks are assumed leaders.
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  Speaker 3: Guess what they're doing. They're getting wraps in the preseason.
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  Speaker 2: They got to get ready for what's out there because
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  Speaker 2: they don't have the encyclopedia, they don't have the knowledge
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  Speaker 2: to work off of a prior experience. All experiences are
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  Speaker 2: new experiences, especially for rookies, and you build your database
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  Speaker 2: here so that you can then hopefully replicate and have
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  Speaker 2: some shared experience to draw on when you get in
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  Speaker 2: that situation in game time.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, as I look at that, you know
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  Speaker 3: my assessment of the line.
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  Speaker 2: For me, there was too much pressure on Mason Rudolphin's
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  Speaker 2: the first couples.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and and people like, oh, well, why was Mason
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  Speaker 3: even taking the rest? And it needs to be all
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  Speaker 3: the road. No, the backup quarterback needs to do and
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  Speaker 3: he is clearly the backup. So let me just throw some.
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  Speaker 2: Cold water on a lot of the hot streak that
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  Speaker 2: a lot of young people that have played well. It
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  Speaker 2: was one game. I loved what I saw. It gives
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  Speaker 2: me the opportunity to say, hey, I want to see more.
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  Speaker 2: So like watching a trailer to a movie in the theater,
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  Speaker 2: I still have the main movie. I'm watching these trailers
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  Speaker 2: are looks good.
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  Speaker 3: It looks good, but I'm not I'll see it in October,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when the movie is actually released. It was
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  Speaker 3: a great trailer.
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  Speaker 2: That enticed me to say I want to see more.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought both of our young quarterbacks did that.
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  Speaker 2: Will and Drew did that. But for the offensive line,
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  Speaker 2: what Mason overcame is still was ten of eleven and
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  Speaker 2: really that eleventh one if he's not evading a sack
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  Speaker 2: in his face, that got that came up the middle
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  Speaker 2: and he pirouetted out of that, drove climb the ladder
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  Speaker 2: and made that throw and Jeremy Bernard narrowly misses it
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  Speaker 2: by less than three four inches. It's the Isaiah Likely
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  Speaker 2: play from week one.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, you know it was Ravens Chiefs.
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  Speaker 2: If that doesn't happen, you're talking about guy who went
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  Speaker 2: perfect and had a touchdown.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, he played behind the sticks in those first
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  Speaker 4: couple series, did Mason Rudolph. It wasn't his fault because
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  Speaker 4: it was the offensive line between penalties and sacks given.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, penalties and sacks, and I think that's something that
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  Speaker 2: we have to take into account.
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  Speaker 3: But it was below the line for me. The run.
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  Speaker 2: The run game wasn't wasn't as spectacular as I thought
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  Speaker 2: it was going to be. But you know, the one
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  Speaker 2: caveat that I will say I'm being hard right now,
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  Speaker 2: but I also am gonna sit there and throw this
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  Speaker 2: out here. Four new positions played by the offensive line.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, right tackle, right guard.
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  Speaker 3: And left guard and left tackle because good call.
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  Speaker 4: So this is the first first actual.
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  Speaker 3: Time we've seen we've seen it together because.
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  Speaker 4: We've seen it Minnie Camp, we've seen it up here
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  Speaker 4: in Latrow.
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  Speaker 3: But you're right, it doesn't count till the lights come on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was something that I think people got
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  Speaker 2: enamored with, Like, no, it's only two positions.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's four. Everybody's auditioning for all four.
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  Speaker 2: Like it looks good and that's what we assume for
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  Speaker 2: the left side, but it's not guaranteed and how they
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  Speaker 2: work together. And what did Mike Mike McCarthy say from
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  Speaker 2: the very beginning of training camp. I want to see combinations.
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  Speaker 2: I want to see combinations work together. It's bigger than
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  Speaker 2: an individual battle or just the whole line.
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  Speaker 3: I need to see the combinations work.
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  Speaker 2: Together, and the combinations look like the first time combinations
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  Speaker 2: have played in the game together.
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  Speaker 4: You know I've already won Max Starks over. I think
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  Speaker 4: I have because we've tuk a lot of food type stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But here's where I'm only going to win you over
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  Speaker 4: when I say this to you. I remember a guy
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  Speaker 4: who talked about when Roderick Jones was making the move
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  Speaker 4: from one side to the other, And I remember a
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  Speaker 4: guy going on on an SNR show and talking about
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  Speaker 4: how difficult that is and how the public perception of
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  Speaker 4: that from a fan standpoint, it's like, Wow, if you
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  Speaker 4: play right tackle on you move a left tackle, it's
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  Speaker 4: still tackle. Or if you play left tackle when you
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  Speaker 4: move the right tackle, it's no big change. You're a
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  Speaker 4: guy that went through it, and you're a guy that
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  Speaker 4: stepped up to defend Roger Jones. And I'm sure you'll
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  Speaker 4: do the same with Troy Fontano as well. Going from
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  Speaker 4: one side of the other, including on that side. Mason McCormick, right,
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  Speaker 4: it's not easy.
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  Speaker 2: It's not easy. And I took the first couple of
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  Speaker 2: days of camp just to break it down for everybody.
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  Speaker 2: But of course we've had a lot of shows since then,
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, sometimes you get frenzied and there's like cotton
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  Speaker 2: ball in your ears and you know, as a little
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  Speaker 2: tingly feeling in your toes. But that is what the
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  Speaker 2: reality is, what we saw like, it's an adjustment still,
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  Speaker 2: it's a physiological and biomechanical difference between being a right
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  Speaker 2: tackle and a left tackle. Richard Sherman, people all argue
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  Speaker 2: was one of the great corners in this league.
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  Speaker 3: He only played on one side. He could not he
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  Speaker 3: did not travel. That's from a corner perspective. That's a cornerback.
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  Speaker 2: So just imagine an offensive line who's on the field
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  Speaker 2: probably had argue just as much, if not more than
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  Speaker 2: a lot of those other positions like offensive line. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I I equated to this right, it was seven three hundred.
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  Speaker 2: You know what did the queens say to Leonidas? Come
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  Speaker 2: back with your shielder on it. That is what it
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  Speaker 2: is as an offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: The only way you come out of a game is injury.
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  Speaker 2: It is injury only, and maybe every once in a
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  Speaker 2: while is a performance thing, but very rare that you
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  Speaker 2: have a performance adjustment in.
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  Speaker 4: Game, well, especially right what you just said there at
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  Speaker 4: the end, Especially in game. I mean sometimes positional players,
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  Speaker 4: you're right in game you can you can pull them
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  Speaker 4: out or put even a quarterback for that matter. But
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  Speaker 4: now right offensive lineman, you don't see too much movement.
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  Speaker 4: That stuff's usually done during the week, right during.
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  Speaker 3: The game switches, but not an in game switch.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that's what we have to be patient like,
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  Speaker 2: and that's why I said it's below the line right now,
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  Speaker 2: but I expected it to be below the line like
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  Speaker 2: it would have been more crazy to everything have worked
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  Speaker 2: out great for the first preseason game of like I said,
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  Speaker 2: four different positions working together, because for Zach Frasier, it's
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  Speaker 2: an adjustment because the guy he always depended on his
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  Speaker 2: right side is now in his left ear right, and
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  Speaker 2: how they work those combinations, different footwork, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's going from you know, if anybody's taking ballroom dancing,
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  Speaker 2: you know you can't do the same footwork in the
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  Speaker 2: fox trot that you can in the roomba.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's like they're two different things.
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  Speaker 2: They're still in the same category, but they're two different
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  Speaker 2: foot sets and two different mindsets.
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  Speaker 4: So I think I think we just planned the seed
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  Speaker 4: for Max Starks to be on Dancing with the Stars
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  Speaker 4: the next Pittsburgh Steeler listen.
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  Speaker 3: I went and watched Hines for the tape.
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  Speaker 2: We all went out there one night and we watched
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  Speaker 2: it do the Pasa doble the first time, and that
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  Speaker 2: was his first like unanimous we love it. Was myself,
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  Speaker 2: James Ferrier and James Harrison.
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  Speaker 3: We went to that taping that night and and it
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  Speaker 3: was awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously Hines had the little Mattador outfit with
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  Speaker 2: with with the belly button house. Yeah, with the belly
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  Speaker 2: button out I was like, wait to say, you wear.
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  Speaker 3: You wearing this?
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  Speaker 4: Man?
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  Speaker 3: You got your belly button all out in the public.
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  Speaker 2: But you know that's what it is, right, but it
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: is different and you have to practice it, and so
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: they have to rehearse this choreographed synchronization together. So it
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: was some backside cut off stuff that was just lost
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: too soon. And I've mentioned this. I mentioned in the broadcast.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Warren Brinston spent way too much time in our headspace
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: and on our tongues because he was cutting off the backside.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: So Lou Nichols and Travis Homer didn't have the cutback
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: lanes that you were expecting.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: But that's a thing that takes chemistry.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: It takes time, and when you're doing a wholesale change
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: like this, you have to be patient with it. And
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: I want to see the growth from game one to
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: game two. Dylan Cook with stiff, nervous, wide eyed, because
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: this is the first time he's really been considering in
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: his entire professional career a real contender for a starting role,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: but not the favorite. But he's getting first crack at it,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: so I expect those nerves. I expect him to be
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: better this upcoming game than he was.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: The last game. Spencer Anderson was solid, but he also
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: has some interior pressure. This is first off tune. He
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: getting a chance to be the contender and he's actually
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: the clubhouse favorite for that job. Can he keep it right?
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Can you keep what you have?
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: And then for Mason Troy, it's about we've got to
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: get on the same page, you know, because, like you said,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: if not, then Roger Jones does he's waited somehow because.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: He's just trying to see where he can fit in.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: So he has to just play.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: At a high level at all times. And he did
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: get a lot of snapsingly. I mean he at one
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: point I thought he's going to exclusively only play left
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: tackle the entire game, but he jumped over in the
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: fourth quarter played some right and I saw Jennings Dunker,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: who's been primarily left guard behind Mason McCormick and all
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: these practices right tackle in the game.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: Ryan mccollins been strictly center, We saw him play some
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: right guard. We saw cos.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of different combinations were worked in that game,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: and I don't think people paid because, like you said,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: you're watching Drew Aller, you're watching Will Howard, and they're
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: doing their thing and they're making the big plays.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: But those combinations upfront that allowed them to do that
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: is also important to watch.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: And Max, I think you also hit the knell on
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: the head too, and you set up how that offensive
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: line has to eventually gel together too, because another big
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: misconception out there is an offensive line from left tackle
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: to right tackling in between has to be able to
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: communicate with each other. Yes, And again I yield to
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: you with this because I didn't play at the NFL level,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: but I would think that is the ultimate thing you
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: need from an offensive lineman at the pro level. Because
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: of the blitzes and the changes on the defense that
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: has done a play after play after play, that offensive
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: line has to be able to communicate with each other
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: at all times. And if you're a brand new unit
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: and you're switching spots, it might take some time to
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: get there.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: It takes some time.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: And also a left tackle is going to see things
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: differently than what a center sees, and especially what the
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: right side is going to see, just because there's different things.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: If you get the slot to your side, you got
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: to know if that slot's backed up or not. Right
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: safety playing over the top, is you see you playing
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the field. Are we in a
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: man situation? We in his own situation? And sometimes the center,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: if his heads between his legs or he's looking at
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: others the stuff, he doesn't see it, and so you
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: have to be able to relay that information very quickly.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: And early on in my career I was blessed because
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: offensive line we handled all the hots for Ben Early
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: in his career, and so we had to learn how
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: to read shell defense and we had to communicate that
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: to each other. So Marvelle Smith had to be able
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: to communicate to Alan Fanica, which got back to Jeff Hardy's,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: which then let Kendall Simmons and myself know and vice versa.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I had to relay as a young guy down to Kendall,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: back to Jeff to get to Allen, to get to Marvel.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: It's an intricate game of telephone and the communication has
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: to be the same.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: You can't change the words. You know.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: By the way, how long did you have to take?
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: How long did it take for you to do that?
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Each play?
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: Three seconds?
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: We had about three and a half to four seconds
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: after the initial Mike call, so.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Minutes right now. And it's not like I was. It's
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: not like there was a dummy in front of me.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're talking about Javon Curse, Richard Cmore, Willie McGinnis,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Like you do this in front of some straight certified
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: killers on defense. You got to you gotta figure out,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: oh man, we got we gotta get this done quick
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: because we need to be on their combinations because they
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: are coming and for the interior guys.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Right, you got big bodies you gotta deal with.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: You got to deal with Sam Adams, Pat Williams and
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: the like Ted Washington, Jamal will I mean, it's not
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: like we're just playing against the be squad. This isn't
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: card walkthrough like this is live game and my quarterback
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: could get killed off subject.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: But I'm just enjoying this conversation with you. I mean,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: you're you're a large man, as we know as you
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: sit here and especially during your play days. But who
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: was the largest defensive player that you faced?
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Man?
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Albert Hainsworth huge, he was huge. But I played Albert
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: in college. I'm played against Albert and John Henderson. I
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: played against Richard Seymour and Marcus Stroud. Those were the
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: combos at Georgia and Tennessee at the same time.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: So I saw the iron.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was truly.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: And then you had guys off there as will Overstreet
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: was the was the defensive end long career in Atlanta.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Then I had David Pollock, you know at Georgia you
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: had I mean, you just had the who's who. And
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: then Vince will Fork another huge, small squader guy guy
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: played against the high school college and the pros. So
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: it was you know you, it's like you have a
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: certain level of familiarity, but there's no comfortability.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: You can never feel coming. Man, I got this, dude,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: and we're good to go. Yeah.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I mean it's a constant thing. So I just I
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: look at it and I say, hey, this is what
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: this is what it.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Means to be big boy football. And I have no doubt,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: no doubt.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I might sit here and criticize, but I have all
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the faith in the world in that offensive line. I
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: love the youthful talent, I love what they bring to
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: the table. It's just about it coming together.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: I think, like we talked about earlier in the broadcast
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: about the secondary and the depth and the talent of
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: the defensive line, I can make the same case for
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: this offensive line that it's been a lot of years
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: when we sit here and look on paper at what
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: they have with a potential starting offensive line and what's
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: behind them as backups too, that you've got to be
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: excited about the future of this offensive line with a
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: guy like Jennings Dunker among others, and of course MAXI
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: on itch or but Max, he has to get on
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: the field. He's got to get back on the field.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: But I'm with you.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: You can't rush him health as wealth and availability is
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: the best ability.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: So I'm not trying to rush.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I enjoy smoke meats and I enjoy crockpot dinners, all
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: those take time.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Same thing here with.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: That order where you're going, Yeah, all these six and
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: with that we're gonna take a break.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: I like it.
• 21:06
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• 21:09
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  Speaker 2: All right back inside the locker room here, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: the show keeps going even though it's not taped.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: On air, and it might be better when we're not
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: on it.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it's a lot more fun.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: So we were breaking down a situation going back in
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the old time capsule there and we're talking about Florida
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: football back when I played, So the state of Florida football,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: not just UF football. Just want to clarify that. Of course,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: it's always go Gators here inside the locker room. But
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: we were just talking about the different levels and guys
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: and competition going up in there.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: You know, you know Max, And that brings me up
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: to a good segue with the Florida talk. So let
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: me ask you this. We were having a nice discussion
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: off air yesterday between myself, Bob Lavriola, and Tom Offerman
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: about what's more heated the Raven Steelers rivalry or the
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Ohio State Michigan rivalry. Now I'll take out the OSU
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Michigan thing and I'll replace it with Florida Florida.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: State for you.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's Florida Georgia.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Florida, Georgia, and I played Miami three out of my
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: four years, two back when they're heyday.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: So so two part question.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's first identify the Gators' biggest rival, Georgia Georgia. Okay,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: all right, so then I'll eliminate Florida State in Miami
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: and part of my ignorance, my friend. Yeah with that,
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: So what for you, because you did both Raven Steelers
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: or Bulldogs Gators.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I would say Raven Steelers was the closest you were
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: ever going to get to a college rivalry in the
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: professional level.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Good answer.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: So it was when I say, there was just a
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: complete disdain for somebody and not knowing their familial history,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: whatever their upbringing.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Was, it didn't matter. You had. You had a.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Black helmet with that weird looking bird on the side
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: of it looks like a rat bird.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: I always call you rat birds.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: And then you had the g but you knew as
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: a slobbery dog behind that g So those two rivalries,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I was blessed to say that I got to play
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: in some of the most competitive at each level. You know,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: we could talk about the Auburn Alabama old fashioned hate.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: We could talk about, you know, Ohio State, Michigan, we
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: can talk about you know USC UCLA historic and insert
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: rivalries everywhere. Everybody has theirs in their conference and now
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: you don't really have as much of those because of
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the conference crossover and everything now, but you know that
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: rivalry Raven Steelers early two thousands, who talk about oh
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: ray Lewis, Terrell, Suggs, you.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: Know, Joey Porter on our side, Oh well.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Joey, I mean, Troy ed Reid. I mean there was some.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of Hall of famers that
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: played in that. In that rivalry, I mean, it can
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: have its own hall of fame like from that era,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Like you can go and have a Who's Who in
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: that one. But I think that and but that's what
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: makes sports so great is when you can create those
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: rivalry situations. I think now you look at it, you know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I think it now shifts to the A like the
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: NFC West has become what the old AFC North is
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Like it's so good, great on great, on great, and
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: then there's like the Cardinals and the Browns.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Right, But I was gonna say, just take the Cardinals
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: out of it.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Take the Cardinals, take the Browns out of ours. Yeah.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Outside of the Cardinals, you got three teams that potentially
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: could win, not only go to the Super Bowl, win
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: the Super.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Bowl, and have represented the NFC in multiple Super Bowls
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: in the recently in the last decade. I mean, those
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: three have been seminal in the conversation. So I think
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: when you look at that, and then the NFC North
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: is a blood bath as well. So I mean you're
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: seeing more of that competitive balance where it like in
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: early two thousand it was just raven Steelers.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: But see when I answered that question yesterday with Labs
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: and Tom. You know, I said, from my perspective, people
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: I talked to from Ohio State or Michigan and I
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: have no skin in the game because I grew up
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: here in Pittsburgh, grew up a pitch football fan. Sorry,
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: but I grew up a Gator fan. Max no fall Hill.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: But h I said, you know, when you talk to
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: somebody from Michigan or Ohio State, they won't even say
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: the other name of it. That team up north or
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: that other team from the South, they don't even name it.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Whereas the Steelers Ravens. Yeah, they hate each other, but
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: I felt like there was at least a little bit
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: of respect maybe because absolutely not, No, because I thought
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: there ran very very similar with the with the defense
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: defense defense, Run, Run, Run Run.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: If Terrell Suggs was on fire, you know how the
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: phrase ends, I wouldn't I wouldn't doubt that.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: So no, I don't Now I now have I softened
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: in my in my old age, and I can appreciate
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: what it was in the moment.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. I saw Helodi Nada last year. He was in
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: the state.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: We're staying in the same hotel that a lot of
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: the Ravens alumni stayed in, and Helodi was the louven
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: and I spoke.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: To Hellodi for the first time in my life.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: So you know, I mean, it can't soften their retirement.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, granted, it took twelve years for me to
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: get to that point.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: But I got there, right, you know.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Sometimes, yeah, sometimes the path is more windy. I don't
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: know if I could do that with Terrell sucks. But
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: there's just some certain unforgivables that I just won't let
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: go of. And so you know, I look at that
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: and that's what makes that rival like I mean, I
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: could talk to David Pollock now this age and for
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Seymour and Stroud when they were at Georgia, like I
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: went on a visit to Georgia, Like, Georgia was actually
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: my top five.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I really.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: If Pat Watson, their offensive line coach, doesn't pass away
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: mid season, I probably would have been a Georgia Bulldog.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I'm being honest with it. I could say that.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Now, but I probably would have went to Georgia because
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I love coach Watson. Like, their offensive line coach was amazing.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: He was legendary and he got me. And that's the
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: biggest thing. When you're choosing a college. You want to
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: talk to coaches who get you. And you know, for that,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I can appreciate there's a respect there. I can talk
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: to bulldogs. I mean, heck, my oldest daughter's godmother is
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: a famous Georgia Bulldog gymnast, you know what I'm saying.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: So so we have our moments once once once a year.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: There's one week where we send each other crazy memes
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: and we just do crazy stuff to each other.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: But there's there's a certain level of respect. Raven Steelers.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: It's just old fashioned hate. It's just I don't like you.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I don't like I don't know if I could sit
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: down on a panel with Ray Lewis you know what
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, like, that's what you've like Ed Reid.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I love Ed because I played against Ed and college
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: right played in Miami, Florida. Dude, I like Ed, But
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: when Ed had that jersey on, I tackled Ed and
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I was trying to hurt Ed when I tackled him.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: You know, granted I had to tackle that much, but
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: the fact that because he got a lot of interceptions.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: But the fact that you know, there was a certain
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: level with it, so you're running the direction. Yeah, it
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: was running the other direction and praying I didn't get
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: blindsided by somebody else.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: So I can only imagine bars Scott and I are
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: now in a good place.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: But he went to the Jets and we had that
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: whole thing. And he's one of Willie Cologne's good buddies.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: They work on sm ly together. So I've softened on Bart.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: But yeah, but for the most part, in that jersey
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: at that time, Ah, it's tough.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: It's tough.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: I'll take your word for it because you have the
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: first experience.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how was the body cam helmet cam version of
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: it right on.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: From a fan perspective when I was younger. I'll never
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: forget this. I'll just tell you this quick story. We
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: can move on to current Steer stuff if you want.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Going to M and T Bank Stadium, I think it
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: was around two thousand, Max, so it was before you're
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: playing days with the Steelers. But went down there with
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: a couple buddies. I had a Jerome betis tersey on.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: I went into M and T. You know, I'm like
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: nineteen twenty years old, so you know there's there's not
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: much skin in the game. I could care less, right, Yeah, Man,
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: did I get harassed the fans, But that I had
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: that bust jersey on, and I probably shouldn't have been
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: doing it. But I will say this, the Steers won
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: that game. That was the game which heinz Ward caught
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: a touchdown late in that game. The Steeers won like
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: nine to seven or something really low classic Raven steel Yeah, exactly,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: even back then, and that was in fact. Here you go, Max,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: I'll give you this little tidbit. That year two thousand,
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: the Ravens won the Super Bowl. That was their last
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: loss that season. And it was against the Steelers in Baltimore,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: I believe, and after that they went on their run,
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: went on.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: The Super Bowl.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah so, I mean, and once again, you could appreciate
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: franchises that put the energy and the effort into their lines, right,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: and you could argue that that defense for the Ravens,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: but that offensive line was was no joke.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: They were physical.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: They just didn't have the quarterback to put the numbers
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: up to back up what those with the defense did.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: But they had a heck of offense. I mean, Jonathan
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Ogden was one of my idols growing up. I mean,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I loved j O and I wore the same numbers
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: JO and you know it was it was him, Pace,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Willie Rof. Those were my three guys, and those are
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: guys I wanted to be. Walter Jones was another one
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: in there, but those were the guys I look and
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: when you talk about hey, who's the prototype and everything,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I remember watching those guys, so I can have a
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: certain appreciation and respect for them. But when it came
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: to me being.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: A Steeler playing the Ravens.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Zero love, zero love in that direction, it was all
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: the H word. And I didn't mind it because that's that. Listen,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: if you find a chip manufactured or reality, whatever it
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: takes get the job done.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: How about the kurrent Pittsburgh Steelers that we've seen up
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: here at training camp.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Now, I mean they've got they got a little vinegarrant them.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: They got a little bit of that bite than when
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: they have to face Baltimore twice this upcoming.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: See, I think Patrick Queen is being a former raven
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: as well, and you know it's there.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: I once again the addition of the Landon Roberts.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, e rob It's Dell one of those guys
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: that carries the good carries that a little now on
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: his crawl and the young guys will get inundated. I
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: think they're they're figuring out what this rivalry was and
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: what this rivalry is.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: T J.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Watt definitely brings the barometer up when it comes to
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. So does Cam Hayward. Like a lot of
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: guys still carry that tradition on. It's not what it
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: is what he used to be because obviously the game
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: everybody around us is elevated, so there's a lot more
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: competitive games and guys spread out due to free agency,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: but it's still there.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: The ethos is still there's still primetime football.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: That's why they always put it at the last game
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: of the year and has a TVD next to it.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: And Max. The Steelers have had a lot of success
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: against the Ravens. You know, normally when you're talking to
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: somebody and Tom the Labs were talking about this morning
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: as well on the Training Camp show. Is people say, oh, well,
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: the Steelers usually split with the Ravens. It's usually a split.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: It hasn't been a split. The Steelers have done very
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: well against the Ravens the handful years, in fact, against
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson in particular. And I think it's because of
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: the speed of the linebackers, by the way that they've
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: built a lot of this defense in and around. But
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: they've done very well against the Ravens here recently.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: It has it's been more brooms than not. Yeah, you
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: know when it comes to taking taking over the Ravens.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: And I mean, but that's that's it's cyclical, right, It's cyclical.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: One team gets on top of the other, the other
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: one gets their best shot the next year. But when
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: you look at the totality in a snapshot, right, take
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: a five year cross section, that's what you're really looking for,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: because everybody's gonna have a hot year, everybody's gonna have
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: a down year.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: But how does it look over a five year snapshot?
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I look over a ten year snapshot, because I mean
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I could say for myself, like when I go back
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: to college, like I beat Georgia all four times. Now,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: if you said that the guys recently, where or when
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: no Georgia dominates this rivalry?
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Right? I was like, there was a time when we.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Dominated and now we're now on the dominating side of it.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: But that's just how it goes that when you have
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: long ingrained rivalries.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: You see the the bell curve, right, the bell curve
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: shifts in many different ways.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: The pendulum swings all the time.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: But he had to look at the totality of it
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: and look at it more than just a one year
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: snapshot for this rivalry.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: And it's a healthy rivalry because there is like you.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Said, the Steelers have gotten a lot of them. Well
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: there was years when the Ravens got a lot of
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: on the Steelers. So you know, I just know that.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: And one particular snapshot, if we're going for just a
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: one year, look, we beat them three times, right, we
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: beat them three times in a row.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the ultimate. That's the big broom, that's not
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: the little broom. Yeah, that's hard to do.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: To beat a football team three times.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Three times is tough work, right and so but the
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: fact that both of us got to the championship game
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: out of the same division, that's also a nod because
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: that just showed you where the level of play was
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: for our respective organizations.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: And now Mike McCarthy will be introduced as a head
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: coach into that rivalry against.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: He would have known it as the Browns Steelers rivalry
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: when growing up when he was growing up in Greenfield.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Now it is shifted down south to Crabcakes away from
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Chipped Ham.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: So, uh, you know, it's.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Gonna be fun to see how him and Jesse Mentor
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: start that new era of the Ravens Steelers' rivalry, to
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: see how it goes.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: But you know, great job, And of course I can't wait.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: But once again football is back and we we are
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: gonna be on a crash course for the for those
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: two matchups, So I can't wait, and we'll be here
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: all season four him, but we're gonna step aside because
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: we are well overdue for a break right now, and
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: we will get back to more in the final segment
• 34:57
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• 35:01
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• 35:57
  Speaker 2: This is and we're not in season four, so I
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: can't really call it fully, but justin you know what
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: time it is when it gets to the last segment,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: and I'm not expecting you to have the most glorious
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: bells of all time.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Because it is not lunchtime anymore. But we are still
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: in the bell lap here inside the locker room. Yeah, yeah,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: there we go.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I was trying to tease it up, make sure I
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: gave him enough time to find it in the bed.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: There we go. That's my guy, Jay.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: But yes, we are in the bell lap here inside
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: the locker room. Final segment, And you know, it's fun
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: to get into these moments.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: You know, we're ending training camp.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: We have one more full padded public practice out here
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: tomorrow at eleven am, bright and early. Don't know how
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: the way, I think the weather will fare a little
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: bit better. Actually, the sky's clearing up from when we
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: started to show. It's over two hours. I mean it's
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: gotten really nice. It's now the fluffy clouds still not
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: allow of sunshine, but still fluffy clouds, not great clouds,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: but as we kind of barrel down.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: This is kind of the passion that we're talking about.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: This is the build up to the regular season. We
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: have games.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: We have physical, competitive, eleven on eleven football happening inside
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: the stadiums across this beautiful country, and the competition is there.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: We're figuring out who are going to be the Steelers.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Right now, we have a collection of men vying for
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: that sticker on only one side of your helmet, as
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: we know in Steelers history and lore, But you're fighting
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: for that opportunity out here. This is the forge, This
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: is the battleground that creates steel and it creates Steelers
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: and what this twenty twenty six twenty twenty seven team
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: is going to be.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: And from where we're at right now.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: It looks like all that molten type of metal is
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: starting to get into the cast and we're starting to
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: form it and start to build the bones and the
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: structure and the foundation of what we can come to
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: expect here for this year's team.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard to believe, Max, but we are right
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: around the corner from getting to that point where you're
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: going to separate the men from the boys and the
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: boys from the men, right to get to that fifty
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: three man roster cut down day coming up here at
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: the end of August of the August thirtieth, Actually they
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: got to get down to the fifty three and then
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: they have the sixteen to the practice squad as well.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it feels good, and you know, I guess
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: from your perspective too, did you look forward to finally
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: breaking camp here at Saint Vincent and getting back into
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: the city. I mean you spend I mean you figure
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: by this Tuesday, when they break camp, that'll be three
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: full weeks that they've been here at Saint Vincent.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you're looking forward to it.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, listening four concrete walls can only
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: be fun for so long, right, Roommate and sharing a
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: bathroom with another male can only be so much fun
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: over time, Like, Okay, who put.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: The towel down? Who didn't flush the toilet? You know,
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: you can get into all of that. But I think
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: also this is.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Very important for the nucleus to be in this environment,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Like I think, you know, I would rather have this
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: kind of three three and a half week period together
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: than to do it at a training facility and go
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: home every night. Right, Like we see a lot of
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: different programs, a lot of different organizations do. But after
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: a while, yeah, you get tired of seeing the same
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: faces and you just need a little change up, a
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: little change of venue. You need some me time, right,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: It's not you, it's me. I need some time to
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: myself and you can't really hide here. And I think
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: that's important for building a team, for the bonding. But
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I think the bonding is important, but it has a
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: certain shelf life before it becomes annoyance.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Right. It's just like when you grew up with your siblings.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Right, you know, I mean, I don't know, you know,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: you probably didn't have to share a room since you
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: had had a lot of sisters. Yeah, but I had brothers,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: so I had to share rooms. And so you know
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: that day when you could get your own room, man,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: that was that was That was a glorious day. That
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: was a glorious day. Like, listen, I don't have to
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: deal with bunk beds. I don't have to deal with
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: somebody waking up in the middle of the night like
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: it's only me and I get my silence and a
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: lot of those things.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: So that's where you're at right now.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: You're like, you can't wait to get your own room
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: and get back to the creature comforts of your own home,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: your families.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: You know, guys, a lot of guys have wives, have children.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: You know, they have significant others and spouses, and you
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: want to just get back to that because you know
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: they're they're also a very big part.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: I don't think he gets talked about enough of your
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: support system.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: You've got to have that unbiased ear, that non involved
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: ear every once in a while, and it's good to
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: have it on the phone. And now with technology, you
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: got face times that you can do those type of things.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: But something about physically being with that person, it's a
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: huge difference. Yeah, it's a huge difference. And you know,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: we're pack animals, we're packed beings, right, so we're used
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: to companionship. So it's good to just get back to
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: that and just allow you to kind of refocus your
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: energy and everything else. So I love the time, but yeah,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: I think three and a half weeks is about the limit.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going backpacking through Europe trying to
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: find myself.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: It's like I already have a life, a career path
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: at everything else.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: So let's just get back into the systems so that I.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Can get into my routine faster to get ready for
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: the sea because it is grueling and it is long.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't imagine for the players of the coaches
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: coming up here, you know after the preseason game, because
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: I know for me, when I was coming back up
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: to campus yesterday. And I love Saint Vincent, I love
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: everything about this experience. But I don't want to say
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: I was over at Max, but I was kind of
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: over it. After sitting with you guys at Actor Shore
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: last Thursday, I was ready for the real stuff we're here,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: Not that this isn't the real stuff, but it's training camps.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Well listen, I lived like twenty five hundred miles away,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: that's right, So I was one of those guys. I
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: had to go straight back to training camp right after
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: the game. And yeah, it was Friday was a very
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: lonely place.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: You know, I've been walk around.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: You're like one of these if you guys are on campus, just.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: All this green and grass and the snow guys.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, me and Phil, you know, trying to just
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: have contact with another human being and have a conversation.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: But there's a there's a necessity behind it. And I
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: think when you think about the historical significance of this place,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: we know that no Super Bowl team that the Steelers
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: have ever fielded never.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Not started here.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Yep, came through here, had to come through here. So
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: it's it's a rite of passage on an annual basis.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: It's a pilgrimage site for fans. It's a place of
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: statistical and historical significance about who you're going to be
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: these hallowed grounds.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Who are you.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Going to be for the twenty twenty six twenty twenty
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: seven season, and how are you going to write your
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: own chapter? The pen and the paper meet here to
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: start that journey. And that's what I love about being
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: up here because I remember where I was at at
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: different points on this field. When I look on this field,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I remember my very first one on one in the
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: end zone on field number two by the goal post
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: with with the lines drawn, going up against Joey Porter.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I remember going up against Clark Hagen's in those moments,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Chemo von Ohoffen, Aaron Smith, a young Brett Keisel that
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: was just a special teams guy before he became the Beard.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: He was just ninety nine. Yeah, you know, I remember
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: these moments and they're so special to be able to
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: relive those moments in your mind and see what the
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: next generation looks like, see what the next iteration is.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: You know, who's the next Who's going to be the
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: next Brett Keisel on this team? Who's going to be
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: the next Casey Hampton, Who's going to be the next
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger, the next hins Ward, Troy Polam. You get
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: to see all of that, and I get to live
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: it because I'm replaying and overlaying my own experience with
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: watching these new guys.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: It's a cool thing to do here and something that
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: very rarely gets done around this league.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: And I was gonna say, it has to come full
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: circle for you too, Max, because of what you just described,
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: and not a lot of guys have been in your
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: spot up here is on on the media side, the
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: broadcasting side, with your team that you played for, that
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: you won super Bowl titles with, but you all but
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: you what you? I go back to exactly what you
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: just said. It all started right here on these practice fields.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Eight super Bowl appearances for the franchise, six wins, and
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: all eight of those Super Bowl teams started right here
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: on these grass fields.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: It's a beautiful place to forge. This is the forge man,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: the forge. This is like it, This is the foundry.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: This is where it all starts. It's like, well, well
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I take all these elements and now I start to
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: make liquid molten steel, and then I put it in
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: the I hit the cast and at the cast gout
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: and it's go time. I need to start putting these
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: steel girders out, baby, so we can build what is
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: what we hope to be a successful campaign for twenty
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: twenty six, twenty twenty seven. And uh, I'm glad that
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: you got to fill in here and once again we've
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: we've got an opportunity to chop it up. For two hours.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: We did not have as much food talk as we
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: normally do. No, we didn't get thinks. No, no, we
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: get the air. We did off the air, we definitely
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: still talked about it. But there will be plenty more opportunities. Well,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: but we got to pass. We gotta pass the baton
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: and of course pass the torch on to our guys
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: over on the drive. Matt Williamson west Euler will take
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  Speaker 2: it on home three to six, and then we'll all
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: commune together off camera, off air this evening and establishment
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  Speaker 2: where we will we will conjole, consolt to it and
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: libate a little bit. So until tomorrow or row, we'll
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• 45:03
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