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Young love gone wrong with Charles Starkweather and Caril Anne Fugate; What is Analogue Horror? · When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom

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  Everybody is here. Killer country.
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  My name is Brittany. Ransom, my name is Brian Joyner
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  and this is one Killers. Get caught a podcast of those
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  deep dives into True Crime. If you're new here, when Killers
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  get caught is a three-part podcast where we discuss to true
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  crime stories that resonated with us this week, then I'll
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  lead you down the path of a well-known or lesser known
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  killer discuss their childhood lives methodology.
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  And most importantly how they got caught and then Brian will
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  finish off our episode with a paranormal palate cleanser about
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  some sort of creepy thing. He's gotten his mind.
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  And before we jump into this week, in True Crime, has want to
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  remind you all that. We do still have hats and mugs
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  and t-shirts and hoodies. We do have some new things that
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  will be limited edition dropping in April.
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  But for now, if you just want some basic stuff with my face or
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  Brian's face on it, we got that for you.
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  And this weekend, True Crime. Actually, this is really
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  interesting to me, this isn't like good or a bad story.
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  Not, you know, upsetting her, not upsetting, but Texas police
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  were able to arrest a 60 year old man in a killing from 38
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  years ago, using the same technology that they use to
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  identify the Golden State killer.
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  So I thought that was pretty cool.
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  And if anyone remembers the Golden State, killer was only
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  captured a couple years ago. I I think he was even sent in
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  still till 2019 or 2020, so it's this still pretty recent but the
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  case was a girl by the name of Mary Jane Thompson.
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  She was 21 and she was found dead in Dallas in 1984.
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  And it remained, mainly a Cold Case until couple weeks ago,
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  Edward Morgan was arrested and charged with capital murder,
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  remaining to Mary's death. She was assaulted or physically
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  assaulted and murdered the Dallas Police Department.
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  Reopened the case in 2009 and began, conducting DNA testing
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  using samples that they had originally collected from her
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  autopsy. The DNA.
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  Belonging to a man was identified like they could tell
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  it had a distinctive. DNA pattern, but they didn't
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  have anybody in the system yet, okay?
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  And so, the case went cold again, and then they reopened in
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  2018 to try, a new type of testing, which was the same one
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  that they had used to identify Joseph D'Angelo The Golden State
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  killer. He ended up pleading guilty in
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  2022. A string of rapes and murders
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  that went back to 1970s. He started out as just they
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  called him. I believe that was Saul your
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  rapist and he would assault people and like leave their
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  televisions on. It was a very weird like one day
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  I'll do a full workup of him but it's a lot of stuff.
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  He had a very long career doing multiple things.
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  But ultimately they don't, the police haven't released how they
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  found Morgan as a suspect but they were able to use the same
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  kind of DNA testing. So generally, it says testing,
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  typically involves comparing DNA samples to ancestry or genealogy
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  databases when a match doesn't appear in the FBI system.
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  And so that's what they use here.
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  So, essentially, when you, take those DNA tests to figure out,
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  if your 1/32 Cherokee, you might be putting DNA into a system
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  that might help, you know, get your grandpa charged with a
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  murder. It's not.
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  You might, you are, you definitely are.
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  Is the reason why I've never done one.
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  I just don't like the fact that the feds can just come in and be
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  like, we need that DNA. Give it to us, even though
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  there's Buddy. Like I feel like I know I
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  haven't committed a murder. I'm truly if you're related to
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  me, you committed murder. I don't care like your fault.
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  I just hate the idea that someone can just demand my
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  genetic material, without my permission.
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  Hmm. And when you sign that little
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  thing when you send your swab in, that's what's in the fine
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  print that if this information can be recalled by federal
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  agents, should they need it? Yeah.
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  But that is why they found this man.
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  Somebody wanted to know if they were if they're great.
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  Great great, great, great. Great grandma was black and they
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  did that test in his DNA popped up.
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  Yep. Yep.
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  Yep. They found a lot of even find a
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  lot of people through this now. Recently probably the one that I
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  think is still the funniest is a you remember Dennis Rader the
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  BTK killer of course how we were in high school they were like he
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  just suddenly pop back up and was like I'm still here.
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  Here you guys suck. You never found me.
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  Well when they did find him they didn't have his DNA on file and
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  they couldn't force him to give it yet.
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  They ended up doing, they ended up getting his daughters, pap
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  smear DNA. Oh my God, from the doctors and
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  connecting that to DNA from the crime scene and it was a match
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  saying that most definitely someone related to the Raiders
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  did. Those crimes.
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  Hmm. I was like wow.
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  They went to the doctor's office and we're like we just need
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  these results if you see those cells for a second.
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  Yep, we need to cells. I know you need to know if you
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  had some abnormal cells girl, but we need to know of these
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  cells will only yo, daddy. Hmm.
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  Yeah, I always thought that was weird but I was like creative.
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  Yeah, I guess isn't. Yes.
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  Anything to find a bad guy? It's a good workaround.
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  Hmm. Okay.
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  So you're not going to like this story.
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  All right. What's up?
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  Is it about weird? Aliens people pretending that
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  the Earth is flat or its Colour? No not today what?
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  Because those things make me angry.
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  So in Utah, a guy got upset over his McDonald's order.
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  They got it wrong. You know, like you know how as
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  they do. Yeah.
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  Like as a normal person would get UPS like a little, you know,
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  annoyed that their order was, you know, incorrect at
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  McDonald's. And you're like, yo, I order
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  this, you put it on the screen and it was the same one, the
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  screen, why isn't that the same of my head right now?
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  I just remember to turn the lights on, so people could see
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  me. Oh my God.
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  So, He gets upset and he he instead of like yelling or he
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  yelled at the at the cashier excuse me, young the cashier and
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  he also put out a gun on the cashier at the drive-through
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  window. Okay.
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  And so the cashiers like okay. Okay, hold on.
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  We're gonna you know, we're going to we're going to want to
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  fix this but you need to pull off into one.
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  Of our low, those parking spaces for, you know, people to fix
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  their food, so he does this hmm and the cashier calls the cops
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  of course of course, of course cops come and you know he's not
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  compliant of course they pull him out of the car.
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  Um, Unbeknownst to the cops. There are two children in the
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  back seat. There's a four year old, and a
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  three year old in back seat. Apparently before like one, like
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  before the cops pulled him out of the car, he told the
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  four-year-old to shoot on the cops.
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  So the four-year-old definitely picked up.
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  So the guy had the gun so you know, he dropped the gun.
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  The four-year-old pick the gun up and the four-year-old tries
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  to fire. Heretic.
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  Cop poor baby as soon as like the cop, so the kid with the
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  gun, he's like kid because you know, he saw the gun and
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  everybody is like, you know, how cops are like, you know, you're
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  pointing a gun at me. I'm a pineco back at you.
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  Put the gun down and he's like, oh no, it's again, it's a kid.
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  Wait, stop, but the kid fires and then the cop like, as soon
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  as the kid fires, the gun, a cot like Smacks, The gun out of his
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  hand, so like the first to pull, it away from him, just a baby.
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  But like the dad told the kid to like, shoot that fucking car,
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  you know, he told him shoot the cops word while you do it
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  yourself, buddy, exactly. You got the balls over here but
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  Yeah, I know. It is awful.
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  It just like yeah just struck a nerve for me because like you
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  got a three-year-old or four-year-old in your backseat,
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  your this sad. What kind of parent are you?
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  Yeah, that's, yeah. So that's why I said you weren't
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  gonna like it. I like it.
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  It's just sad. I feel bad for this child.
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  Yeah. That's all I have for the story.
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  There's not really much after that.
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  It's just, you know, the cops were just shocked that, you
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  know. Yeah, that just happened.
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  Yeah, it's this group. It was crazy and I was like, I
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  got it. I got to tell this story.
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  Yeah well I didn't see that one. I saw a situation where a person
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  got mad at McDonald's person and shot them multiple times that
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  was in the news recently. Hmm.
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  Yeah, honestly, there's been multiple McDonald's, absolute
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  craziness responses. This is why Wendy's has not
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  opened up the floor. Lor.
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  You can't go into a Wendy's right now because only
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  drive-through they need bulletproof glass now.
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  And all they do, they do people are crazy out here for the food
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  outlandish. Just wow.
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  but anyway, in our last week of the month of Lou, this week's
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  couple was requested months ago and I ended up having to take
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  some extra time to really research because there's a lot
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  of dissenting opinions about what happened and that's
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  partially because the guy involved just told a lot of
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  different stories. Do you know who Charles
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  Starkweather is? No, well, Charles Starkweather
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  and Carol and Fugate are known to be the first spree killers in
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  US history, who killed 11 people in Nebraska and Wyoming, from
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  December 1957 to January 1958? In fact, 10 of those were
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  between the week of January, 21st and January 29th, when they
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  were caught and the arguments around.
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  This case are really about Charles has 14 year old
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  girlfriend Carol. And if she was a willing
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  participant in these murders or not, In fact, some people refer
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  to Carol as Charles 12th victim. So, I spent a lot of extra time
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  here, looking up, transcripts. And every book I could rent from
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  the library or order about these two to see what I could kind of
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  sort through and try and understand how a jury found a 14
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  year old girl, guilty of murder. Hmm.
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  Now, I know in modern era this was pretty common like we've got
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  kids who try and kill their parents and stuff like that all
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  the time now, but he's a different era and well, you'll
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  figure out what my opinion is on the situation by the end.
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  But before we get into all that will do, like we always do, and
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  we'll start at the beginning, with Charles Charles, Raymond
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  Starkweather, born in Lincoln Nebraska, November 24th 1938, to
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  guy, and Helen Starkweather. He was number three, and a
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  family that ended up with seven kids eventually.
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  Now the Stark weathers can be traced back to 1640 when Robert
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  Starkweather immigrated to the u.s. from the Isle of Man and
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  the Irish sea and and settled in Roxbury Massachusetts.
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  The Starkweather is fought during the Revolutionary War.
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  One was a colonel who commanded the 1st Regiment of soldiers to
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  leave Wisconsin and help during the Civil War.
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  That one isn't a mural in Madison Wisconsin.
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  And the executive Chambers at the state capitol, then we have
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  Starkweather North Dakota, which is named after a Sadler related
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  to Charles Detroit, Michigan and Cleveland.
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  Ohio have streets named after a noteworthy Starkweather in
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  American history. I say all this to tell you that
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  there was not a time and this family's history.
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  Were. They weren't all wonderful
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  people who did all they could for their Community.
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  Right? So we are coming from war heroes
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  and Community leaders to a murderous nineteen-year-old.
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  Nice, awesome. So yeah.
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  Oh god. Oh, they're both real young.
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  Oh my God. Okay.
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  We're gonna start with his childhood.
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  Like I said, he was one of seven kids.
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  His dad was known as like a handsome guy, who was good at
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  almost everything. He touched his mom was very much
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  the emotional and financial backbone of the family,
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  especially after Helen had to start working in 1946 because
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  Guy developed arthritis and couldn't do his job as a
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  carpenter. But before then, you know, that
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  he was a carpenter that job that even now pays really well the
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  children. All seem very happy while your
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  well-behaved neighbors, never reported any - things about
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  them. Almost every day, when guy came
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  home from work, they all rush out to greet him guy, and Helen
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  were known to be amazing, neighbors, who cared for sick
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  and infirmed other neighbors. They all lived in this small,
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  one story, White House of the large porch and a big yard, a
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  bunch of cottonwood trees. Charlie.
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  As he was called had a big imagination.
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  He made a blow to Fantasy games with his siblings and their own
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  little tiny tree Groove. He and his older brother Leonard
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  and Rodney his younger brother would play Cowboys.
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  And Ian's, when the older boys went off to school and he was
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  still Pre-K age. He would feed the chickens that
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  his mom kept in the backyard. Helped his mom can vegetables
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  from their Garden on the weekend guy.
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  Took the kids on little adventures like to the zoo or
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  camping. Charlie grew up so much like,
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  many other kids thinking his dad was invincible, like he was
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  almost a superhero. Did you shoot break that?
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  Fixed it roof has a leak that fixed it.
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  Did he also run a third Bakery been to the business.
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  Yes, he did that too. Charlie very much and his early
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  childhood live like the perfect life.
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  When he was around his family it was until he got to school that
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  things change. Even in about six years old.
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  He did not like school but demenna Braska demands.
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  All kids had to attend until 16, he didn't have many friends.
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  Most of the kids ignored him. It was at school that he
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  realized, he wasn't supernormal, he had a speech impediment.
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  He walked kind of bowlegged now, Charles Charlie tells this.
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  Story later on in his life that he says, on his first day of
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  school, he tried to tell the kids about how he lives in a big
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  white house and canned vegetables with his mom.
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  And all the kids laughed at him because of how he said the word
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  when he was song. Yeah.
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  Then when he said, when he went to the playhouse at recess all
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  the other kids left him when it was time for gym class and they
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  played soccer, no one picked him, even though it was his
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  favorite game, and he played with his brothers, they all
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  thought he couldn't play because he was bow-legged.
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  Then he said when it was time to walk home, they followed him and
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  yell bowlegged Red-headed Woodpecker and I he cried and
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  cried and then when he got to an intersection the kids pushed him
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  in front of a car. Oh my God.
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  What the hell? He says that he remember lying
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  in the street looking at the driver who had wide eyes and the
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  kids were sitting on the sidewalk mocking him and one of
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  them went over to him and grabbed the paper that he had
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  drawn a picture for his mom and ripped it up.
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  Now, a lot of historians. Don't believe this happened this
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  here, it seems like it's a lot for kids, who had no idea who
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  you were right on the first day of day and and okay.
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  So there's this author named James Reinhardt.
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  He's the author of The murderous trail of Charles Starkweather
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  and James Reinhardt went back to Nebraska.
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  Like when short, like it wasn't very long.
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  After all these crimes happen, and interviewed roughly Buddy.
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  That Charlie had contact with and his teachers were like we
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  have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and
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  Reinhart. Thanks that Teachers, may you
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  not because sometimes you know, teachers are out of the loop
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  when it comes to kids being bullied and stuff like that.
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  But oh no. But so here's the thing.
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  So the teachers were the teachers, do talk to Reinhard
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  said that, he had really terrible self-esteem and they
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  tried their best to help him. They admitted that.
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  Yes, he did get bullied a little bit, but they would try and give
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  him like special jobs in the classroom.
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  You know, how kindergarten you get like classroom jobs and
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  stuff so he could help them and feel like important and that he
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  was a really good artist and that the staff tried to
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  encourage his talent and art but that he was miserable in school
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  and it wasn't entirely because of all of his classmates like he
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  just hated not just school but like everything he developed
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  this like anger as a child he was angry at the world.
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  He was angry at the other kids you know in kindergarten it was
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  because he was bow-legged and after Carter you know
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  kindergarten he started fighting instead of crying and he blamed
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  that on why he was miserable in fact within a year it was
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  Charlie who was the bully and he justify it by saying that they
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  all deserved it but eventually he admitted I began to love
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  fighting And I would walk a mile just to fight someone.
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  He trusted no one even the teachers who were exceptionally
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  kind to him, and he actually spoke to Reinhardt before he was
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  executed saying, oh yeah, she would this one teacher was snap
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  her fingers at other children, but I was the one she didn't.
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  Like, and I knowed even when the teachers talked nice to me, it
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  was just words. And this was the opinion about
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  one of the teachers that was considered to be the nicest
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  person in the school like one of the best.
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  People and he was like, I don't care if she was nice to me,
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  they're all words, they're Liars.
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  How do you have that opinion? About education at second grade.
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  First grade Another thing. Yeah, well, the thing that
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  happened during his adolescence which is why honestly they don't
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  do this anymore and they shouldn't but they gave him an
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  IQ test when he was about eight or nine years old.
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  He came in at an 86. Now, the expectation, when a
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  child is around that age range is anywhere between 90 to 110,
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  so he was only a few points below average, but that just
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  proved to Charlie that school was the worst and he was stupid
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  and he didn't want to be there. So, like, things were happening,
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  that were further confirming his feelings about why this place
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  sucked. He's pretty much a really
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  lonely, Angry Kid, and he started to lose himself in comic
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  books. Specifically, the ones were the
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  heroes use knives. He loved Mobsters Cowboys.
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  Those kinds of TV shows, he loved guns even into his
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  adulthood. He believed that he'd been born
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  at the wrong time, and if he had been alive during the era of
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  cowboys, people would have understood him better.
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  From a very young age. He had a very weird fantasy
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  world. He used to tell people stories
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  about how he was from like a different time or another state
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  that's just interesting creative but it's interesting creative
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  when you're seven, it's not interesting and creative when
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  you're 19, oh, and you're telling people that you came
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  from Texas and you used to be a sheriff.
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  Never mind, right? And this is like what?
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  A lot of people who disgust, like deviant Behavior talk about
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  like this. This very deep Fantasy Life. and
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  indulging in said fantasy life because you don't like regular
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  life and its peculiar because now we have video games Now we
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  have a plethora of films and other things.
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  You can really delve into. You can have somebody.
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  Yeah. You can have somebody who
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  spends, you know, 10 hours a day, building Lego
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  constructions, Minecraft called him daddy.
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  Yeah. And so I'm like, is this is this
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  a weird thing because these people and other eras didn't
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  have the kinds of things that we use for escapism then, but is it
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  the escapism? That's the problem.
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  Because I did indeed just spend like 120 hours over the last two
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  weeks playing cyberpunk 2077. I was sad and I immersed myself
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  in a fun world, but at some point you gotta get back to real
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  life. Yeah, yeah.
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  Now one of Charlie's teachers spoke to Rinehart and she was
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  just like no I don't think he was that night.
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  The kid. She's like, I know you other
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  people talk to you about, how he was a nice kid, but honestly,
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  She said that he was a cold and unfeeling child and she based us
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  off of the fact that one day she kind of walked up on a fight
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  that had just ended and they were on a crushed, gravel
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  driveway near the school. So they weren't on school
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  grounds, which is why she couldn't do anything about it,
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  but as she walked up on it, the loser of the fight.
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  Was this bigger boy? And Charlie had like ground his
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  face into the gravel and he Is just bleeding and sobbing and
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  she remembers looking at Charlie, and he was just staring
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  like, what my family, what, and she was just like, that's really
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  weird because most kids, when they do something that hurts
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  other people recognize. There's something there.
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  There's a dren Ellen, there's excitement, there's something
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  not just dead eyes, just nothing.
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  Well, after that Charlie began feeling school and nobody could
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  really reach him. They tried to push him through
• 24:19
  certain grades. That didn't work.
• 24:21
  Ultimately they ended up kicking him out of Irving Middle School.
• 24:25
  He was known as the meanest toughest kid in Lincoln
• 24:27
  Nebraska, and they sent him to Everett Junior High, where he
• 24:30
  finally met a real friend. Bob Vaughn Bush spelt.
• 24:33
  Like, you know, Bush beers Bob was a real big kid with the same
• 24:37
  kind of reputation is Charlie. And the first time they met they
• 24:40
  literally beat on each other. Until they both got too tired
• 24:44
  and instead of it creating a rivalry they were like respect.
• 24:51
  Okay, that's something now. Bob said this about his best
• 24:55
  friend later in life. Charlie could be the kindest
• 24:57
  person you've ever seen. He do anything for you.
• 24:59
  If he liked you, he was a hell of a lot of fun to be around to
• 25:02
  everything, was one big joke to him, but he had this other side.
• 25:05
  He could be mean as hell cruel. If he saw some poor guy on the
• 25:08
  street, that was bigger than he was better looking or better
• 25:11
  dress. He tried to take the Or bastard
• 25:12
  down to size, but I didn't think too much of it.
• 25:15
  At the time we were all a little like that.
• 25:16
  Then we all had a lot of growing up to do.
• 25:20
  Now Charlie hit puberty and became a good-looking young man.
• 25:23
  Just like his dad. He wore blue jeans and cowboy
• 25:26
  boots and a black leather jacket and he wore a duck tail in his
• 25:28
  hair which was the style at the time, not today, but it was the
• 25:33
  cool guy. Look back in like the 40s
• 25:37
  DuckTales mmm-hmm and honestly he smoked Kool cigarettes and a
• 25:42
  bunch of the young girl said, he looked like James Dean and like
• 25:46
  I kind of look at the picture. I looked at the pictures of him
• 25:48
  and I was like, I see it. Okay, he did have that like he
• 25:56
  definitely perfected that old timey.
• 25:58
  Cowboy look, that was his aesthetic.
• 26:02
  Now he was a part of a group of boys who called themselves the
• 26:07
  leather jackets and they will go downtown on the weekend to fight
• 26:11
  with another group of boys called the Levi jackets.
• 26:14
  Like not even though they called themselves gangs.
• 26:19
  Here's what they would do, they would go downtown and one of
• 26:22
  them will be on one side of the street and the other group will
• 26:25
  be on the other side of the street and they would just talk
• 26:27
  trash and then kind of like yes and they would do that for
• 26:31
  hours. Kind of like, you know, agony
• 26:34
  other people. I'm like, why don't you come
• 26:36
  over here, then it just like a giant roasting session.
• 26:40
  It was just like, oh, you got something to say, why don't you
• 26:42
  come to our side of the street? So, we'll jump.
• 26:44
  You and like, nobody ever came to the other side of the street,
• 26:48
  then they would get tired of doing that and go to the Acme,
• 26:50
  Chili Parlor, and eat chili and drink more milk shakes.
• 26:52
  Like, yeah, forget about it. He pretty much got it.
• 26:57
  Occasionally, they would also go to the parking lot at Capitol
• 27:01
  Beach. Each and they would play chicken
• 27:04
  with cars. And you know what that game is?
• 27:07
  Two people drive directly at each other and whoever swerves
• 27:10
  first loses a chicken, Charlie never swerved Charlie was ready
• 27:16
  to hit them kids. So, he always won.
• 27:23
  So Charlie and Bob, really like stealing cars and stripping them
• 27:26
  for fun. They bought together a 1941 for
• 27:29
  to take trips to Kansas where they could buy three point two
• 27:31
  percent beer, and bring it back to Nebraska because even though
• 27:34
  prohibition was over a lot of states still Bandit, but you
• 27:37
  could buy beer if it was three point two percent alcohol or
• 27:41
  lower. That's like in Pennsylvania, how
• 27:44
  we can buy beer and wine coolers from the gas station because
• 27:47
  it's below. 40 proof, hmm. Otherwise we got to go to a
• 27:52
  liquor store, to get the hardcore stuff.
• 27:54
  Yes, the good stuff. Now, Charlie even got a
• 27:57
  girlfriend at his new school. That girl later told folks that
• 28:01
  she never heard him swear smoke or drink.
• 28:03
  He never tried to put a move on her and he even went to church
• 28:07
  with her. Sometimes she thought he was
• 28:09
  like the best voice she'd ever met and she was absolutely
• 28:12
  confused to find out all the stuff that he was talking after
• 28:16
  he got caught. But Charlie stays in school
• 28:21
  until 16 where he leaves and begins working at the Western
• 28:25
  newspaper, Union on October 5th, 1955, where he was paid 85 Cent
• 28:30
  an hour to bail paper, which I learned mean shred it.
• 28:34
  Now, I'm not sure if they were using paper, Baler machines or
• 28:37
  he just had to load them up or he was shredding them by hands,
• 28:40
  but it was a job and he was making money.
• 28:43
  So he's pretty cool about it. Yeah, he was eventually able to
• 28:47
  buy himself a 1949 Ford of his own.
• 28:50
  And he buy the parts to improve it and he made it super fast.
• 28:54
  He bought a 22 rifle, a 410 gauge shotgun at 32 revolver and
• 28:58
  he got into the woods and practice on small animals.
• 29:02
  Uh-huh, not good. No.
• 29:05
  But you did become a really good shot.
• 29:08
  Now work became an issue because Charlie felt like he was smart,
• 29:11
  but the job didn't think he was worth giving him a raise.
• 29:14
  And they would have him trained other people who had gone to
• 29:16
  college. And those folks look past him,
• 29:19
  and he said that no one ever. Ever.
• 29:20
  Praise him at work and it made them hate him.
• 29:23
  This was about the time that Charlie started dreaming about
• 29:25
  death. He was about 17.
• 29:28
  He believed that death was courting him that she had marked
• 29:31
  him to have a short life. He had dreams about her showing
• 29:34
  up telling him to not be afraid of the coffin, he get in it, and
• 29:38
  then it would sail into a giant fire.
• 29:41
  He said that the beams with the Flames were beautiful, and then
• 29:44
  he would wake up, he would go on to tell James Reinhardt that he
• 29:47
  saw these delusions in the daytime too.
• 29:51
  He said he would wake up Before Dawn.
• 29:53
  Out his window and there was death staring at him.
• 29:56
  He said, the death looked like half, human and half bear, but
• 29:59
  she had no neck or arms or ears and that he also said that,
• 30:03
  sometimes he would hear a loud sharp whistle in the wind and he
• 30:07
  knew that she was calling him so bad.
• 30:12
  So Sam is encrypted this is so metal Jazz.
• 30:17
  So death was a Cryptid. Apparently according to Charlie,
• 30:22
  oh my God. And then Just a Flames.
• 30:25
  It was like oh so you're going to hell?
• 30:26
  Got it? I mean you say didn't fear death
• 30:29
  though because he knew the world on the other side couldn't is be
• 30:32
  as bad as this one. Charlie felt like he was denied
• 30:35
  the better things in life and he knew he was never going to
• 30:38
  experience a high class restaurant or see a Yankees game
• 30:41
  or go to any of the wonderful places that the world had to
• 30:45
  tell him about Charlie. Really only found his pride in
• 30:50
  being a great shooter but like he would go hunting with people
• 30:54
  and he would take an automatic rifle and they'd be like he
• 30:58
  shoots and then he just keep shooting until there's nothing
• 31:03
  no bullets left. And sometimes he would just
• 31:05
  shoot into the wild with no target until his gun was empty.
• 31:09
  Hmm, Like it. So let's switch gears.
• 31:17
  We're going to talk about Carol and Fugate born, July 30th 1943
• 31:21
  to her mother Velda, faggot, and her father.
• 31:24
  William. She had two sisters Barbara, and
• 31:27
  eventually Betty Jean. But Betty Jeanne doesn't get
• 31:30
  born until a lot later. Dad isn't mentioned a whole lot
• 31:35
  by name and many books because I found out, he was a real heavy
• 31:39
  drinker who frequently wasted all of his family's money on
• 31:42
  alcohol. They often had to move due to
• 31:46
  being evicted because of Williams drinking habits, like
• 31:49
  when I say they were poor, I mean they were so poor, the
• 31:52
  girls didn't have any toys and of course, both didn't know he
• 31:55
  was this bad when they dated. And once they were married, she
• 31:58
  wouldn't divorce him because she was a devout Christian.
• 32:02
  She was part of the Church of Nazarene who followed Jesus as
• 32:05
  part of the Bible pretty intensely.
• 32:08
  So that was good. Do her best to make this work.
• 32:11
  She was an optimist but she was also very practical.
• 32:14
  The girls did not grow up believing in Santa Claus or the
• 32:17
  Easter Bunny. She knew before Barbara was even
• 32:20
  born that Williams drinking was going to keep them from even the
• 32:24
  basic necessities. So there was no way she was
• 32:26
  going to let these girls hope for presents and chocolates.
• 32:29
  Knowing they were never going to be there.
• 32:32
  William was an odd man and Velda had, overlooked some obvious red
• 32:37
  flags He never talked about his mother or father.
• 32:41
  There were no the gates in Nebraska at all.
• 32:44
  Hmm. Now, sober William was the life
• 32:46
  of the party. He did magic tricks, like
• 32:48
  pulling a penny out of your ear, he would sit and play guitar all
• 32:50
  night. One of his favorite things to do
• 32:52
  was make up really raunchy songs to make the little his
• 32:55
  daughters, laughs. And then Velda would chastise
• 32:57
  him for making songs about lighting farts on fire.
• 33:02
  I'm a child. Sorry, when he was drunk,
• 33:07
  though. He was really terrible, man.
• 33:09
  He had Barb's for anyone who crossed him and Velda found
• 33:12
  herself relieved when he didn't come home from vendors because
• 33:15
  she knew he was probably in jail and she'd have a day of quiet
• 33:18
  and relief Carolyn Barbara learned to rely only on their
• 33:21
  mother. And they adored her, she was
• 33:23
  always up before them smiling ready for the day.
• 33:27
  She sat by them as they went to sleep every night and the girls
• 33:30
  took naps. The mill.
• 33:31
  Had a Volvo was there when they wake up.
• 33:32
  Cup woke up and later on, when they came home from school, she
• 33:35
  was always at the door, waiting for them.
• 33:37
  The only time Carolyn Barber couldn't be near, their mother
• 33:40
  was, when William got violent and well do lock them in their
• 33:43
  closet to protect them. It was there, the girls cry for
• 33:47
  their mother, they worried for her, they listen to him scream
• 33:50
  and call her names trash the house.
• 33:53
  Once he was gone, wild would open up the door and they'd hug
• 33:56
  her mom and their mom and make sure she was okay.
• 33:58
  She'd tell them they're all right, and then help them get
• 34:00
  back in the bed and go to sleep. About you and Carol was for and
• 34:05
  Barbara was seven. Zelda had to pack up and move
• 34:08
  again, with William, with the support of her mother pansy
• 34:11
  Street. They all moved to this tenement
• 34:13
  house, run by a really nice landlady.
• 34:15
  Name met Holly pansy live there in a unit to, which allowed the
• 34:18
  girls to see their grandmother, whenever they wanted, which
• 34:20
  helped because Velda has started to try and do a little jobs here
• 34:23
  and there to balance out Williams wastefulness.
• 34:26
  The girls kind of got a fun extended family of other kids
• 34:29
  who lived in the building. They met friends.
• 34:31
  Pansy tried to teach Carol, all sorts of things while Barbara
• 34:34
  was in school, but Carol did not take well to anything that took
• 34:37
  more than 5 minutes to learn. Yeah, pansy and Carol, butted
• 34:43
  heads, but pansy always told her I love you Carol Anne even
• 34:46
  though I may not like how you behave, you know, one of the
• 34:51
  things that Carol learn from her dad was cursing and William
• 34:55
  thought it was hilarious, but both pansy and Velda hated it.
• 34:59
  They managed to get her to only do it at home, but pretty much
• 35:02
  everybody in the community, found out that Carol swore, like
• 35:05
  a sailor when she was five and ran out into the street and got
• 35:09
  hit by a truck, the man who was in the truck was like, don't
• 35:13
  move and she rolled out from under his truck, bald, her tiny
• 35:17
  little fist. She's only five years old and
• 35:19
  yells. You dirty goddamn son of a bitch
• 35:21
  truck driver. You run me over.
• 35:25
  This is everybody saw. She was rushed to the hospital.
• 35:30
  No broken bones. But she was pretty black and
• 35:32
  blue and sore. The following day, Carol was
• 35:34
  like, can I still go to church? And her mom was like, Yeah,
• 35:39
  thank you. Sure.
• 35:40
  You want to go to church? Like, when her mom was brushing
• 35:43
  her hair, like a chunk of her hair fell out.
• 35:46
  And so her mom was like, you need to heal, but Carol was
• 35:49
  like, I want to go to church and get milk and cookies and Zelda
• 35:52
  was like, listen, they might not give you milk and cookies
• 35:55
  because everybody heard you swear yesterday?
• 35:57
  Yeah, well when Carol came home she was like not only did I get
• 36:02
  milk and cookies? I got double and apparently the
• 36:06
  pastor had made a sermon about Carol about how through the
• 36:10
  grace of God, you can survive anything?
• 36:14
  Okay. So he had used her for the
• 36:16
  sermon that week. Of course, the only person, the
• 36:21
  girls didn't really like was there, great-grandma, Hitchcock,
• 36:24
  because they thought she was a witch.
• 36:25
  She lives in this big house and have a lock, which is like kind
• 36:28
  of in the suburbs. She wore those large long black
• 36:31
  dresses and she talked about ghosts, and the girls didn't
• 36:35
  like visiting her, because as soon as she got there, Grandma
• 36:38
  hitch, Blood present them with these bags of herbs and tobacco
• 36:42
  then make them wear them around their neck while they were
• 36:44
  there. Yeah, it's Warden charms.
• 36:47
  I was like, yo, I was like Grandma Hitchcock.
• 36:50
  My actually really be a, which is she was giving y'all charms
• 36:54
  to protect you. I'm just saying she definitely
• 36:56
  was as well as soon as they left her house, they would throw them
• 36:59
  in the bushes. They didn't want to wear them.
• 37:01
  They said they stank, but life of the tenement house is pretty
• 37:04
  great. They live near the State
• 37:05
  Theater, they would get to go on weekends.
• 37:07
  They could turn in five. Milk carton tops.
• 37:09
  And you got to see a movie for free things.
• 37:13
  Came to a head, one weekend in almost almost in Winter, William
• 37:18
  was home, and he was wasted and the girls are hiding in the
• 37:21
  closet but they heard a scream and a thud, and they kind of
• 37:26
  came out of the closet. And they saw William choking
• 37:30
  valda Barbara grabbed a butcher knife and attempted to stop her
• 37:35
  father while Carol grabbed a hammer and tried to To hit his
• 37:39
  toes. Then pansy came bursting through
• 37:42
  the door, grab the knife out of Barbara's, hands and William ran
• 37:48
  The four women kind of held each other.
• 37:51
  And finally valda says that does it he goes.
• 37:56
  Which coincidentally couple weeks later they had their first
• 37:59
  Christmas with a real tree and everything.
• 38:02
  It was about a week after the attack.
• 38:04
  When the girls spent like hours, making decorations for the tree
• 38:07
  Williams showed up, spoke to No One packed up, everything in 10
• 38:11
  minutes and then rushed out of the apartment knocking the tree
• 38:14
  over, you son of a bitch. Carol watched him leave out of
• 38:19
  the window and she saw him get into a cab with woman and that
• 38:24
  was the last time she saw him as a Ooh, Girl, valda knew she
• 38:30
  wasn't gonna get a dime out of money of from William.
• 38:32
  So she took a full-time job. The girls spent their time with
• 38:35
  Aunt, Lola, Mae and mr. Mrs. Ortiz, mrs.
• 38:40
  Ortiz had a daughter that was their age and that was when both
• 38:44
  pansy and Velda were working full time.
• 38:47
  This kind of group of women in the house, they live together.
• 38:49
  They cook together did the dishes.
• 38:50
  Wash their clothes clean together Velda began to find fun
• 38:55
  in doing. Puzzles.
• 38:57
  When the girls were in bed at night, That was when Marion
• 39:02
  Bartlett entered their lives. He's in his 50s and a World War
• 39:06
  Two vet and he unveiled the work together.
• 39:09
  There was a 20 year, age Gap, but they loved each other.
• 39:12
  They felt like real quick and Marion moved in.
• 39:15
  It was a little crowded but he very quickly got used to these
• 39:19
  hyper little girls and he treated well do like gold.
• 39:22
  He loved his stepdaughters very much and he called them his
• 39:25
  daughters from the start. In fact, when carrot like right
• 39:28
  after he moved in Carol's about 11 years old, And she really
• 39:31
  tried it with him. There was a mop in the kitchen
• 39:34
  like a dust mop on the counter and he was like, Hey, you could
• 39:36
  put that away and she was like, why don't you put it away your
• 39:37
  damn self? He kind of nip that in the bud.
• 39:44
  He also wasn't really fond of little girls wearing makeup or
• 39:47
  eating lots of sweets. Even though Carol and Barb
• 39:49
  objected to it, they listened on February 11th, 1955 Velda had
• 39:55
  her third child, Betty Jean Bartlett.
• 39:57
  And everybody was so excited. Carol.
• 40:00
  Her Patty because she thought that was a better name for the
• 40:03
  child. And so when she came home from
• 40:05
  school, she would be like Patty and Betty Jean would just laugh.
• 40:11
  The family moved to Belmont Street shortly after Betty Jean
• 40:13
  was born. It was a nice house but it only
• 40:15
  had one bedroom originally, and it was no Plumbing inside.
• 40:19
  Barban Carol, shared the bedroom and the parents left in the
• 40:21
  living room. Eventually Marion would add a
• 40:24
  master bedroom on to the house as well as a bathroom.
• 40:28
  He even bought the television, which the girls thought.
• 40:30
  That was awesome. It was awesome.
• 40:33
  The first summer they live there, they canned vegetables
• 40:37
  but they grow they had chickens and hens they did have a rooster
• 40:42
  at one point but uh whenever it was mating time, he got real
• 40:46
  aggressive and eventually Velda cooked him.
• 40:52
  Because she was tired of getting packed by them.
• 40:55
  The male rooster? Yeah, makes sense.
• 40:58
  They were going exceptionally. Well and then that year, William
• 41:01
  popped up and he invited Barb and Carol to meet his new wife
• 41:06
  named dot. They did not want to go, but
• 41:09
  valda was like, you have to go talk to your father.
• 41:11
  So Mary and drove Barb Carol and Betty Jean over to the house and
• 41:15
  was like, I'll be back at 4:00 p.m. sharp.
• 41:18
  It was a very long day. Because Barb and Carol didn't
• 41:23
  really remember him outside of like trauma and they pretty much
• 41:27
  ignored him and played with Betty Jean and they would like,
• 41:30
  have her be crawling on the table.
• 41:31
  And she's like, if you fall, I'm not gonna get you and then Betty
• 41:34
  Jean would crawl off the table and of course, Carol would catch
• 41:37
  her. And they, pretty much bleed that
• 41:39
  came for like hours and ignored their dad and when Mary into the
• 41:44
  horn at four pm William was like, hey do you want to live
• 41:47
  with us? And Carol said, he'll know if a
• 41:50
  friend Out the door, those boring at your house.
• 41:56
  Um things went pretty well for the next two years, nothing to
• 41:58
  major in terms of Life on settling moments.
• 42:00
  Barbara turn 16 and 1956. And she got a baby, a job
• 42:03
  babysitting. For five kids, who live down the
• 42:05
  street. She had a friend named Barbara
• 42:07
  Griggs, who was dating Rodney Starkweather Rodney introduced
• 42:12
  Barbara to his brother Charlie and they would all hang out
• 42:17
  around the Greg house and go to movies.
• 42:20
  And one day, Charlie brought his friend Bob over and while Bob
• 42:24
  and Barb connected. But Bob was like this kind of
• 42:29
  sucks that I'm sort of stealing you from my friend.
• 42:32
  I don't know if he likes you, but like y'all were hanging out.
• 42:36
  So, then, Barbara came up with the idea to introduce 18 year
• 42:42
  old Charlie to 13 year old Carolyn.
• 42:45
  And if the two liked each other than they could all go on double
• 42:48
  dates together and it would be okay for Bob and Barb to date.
• 42:53
  Okay, I got you there. So they set up this blind date
• 42:59
  and everybody was going to go out on a November of 1956.
• 43:04
  Now, Barbara was like okay come over one night and then my
• 43:07
  parents can meet buddy Carroll. Now, Bob and Barb.
• 43:14
  It already kind of been dating. So when Carol saw them at the
• 43:16
  door, she was like, oh, bat cool.
• 43:18
  Whenever Bob comes over, I get to go hang out with the big
• 43:20
  kids. Now, the boys were like, hey can
• 43:24
  we take the girls to this? Local Burger Joint?
• 43:26
  It's called runs has and even though they had already eaten
• 43:30
  Velda, now mrs. Bartlet was like, fine.
• 43:32
  Okay, they all went out Carol. Talked to Charlie, he was very
• 43:37
  shy. They hit it off though, she
• 43:39
  thought he was super cool, and his black leather jacket, and
• 43:42
  Boy boots. And they went out a bunch of
• 43:44
  times, and even though Marian thought Charlie was incredibly
• 43:47
  too much old. He was way too old for his
• 43:49
  daughter. Bottle was like I feel okay with
• 43:52
  this because they're never alone, they're always with Bob
• 43:57
  and Barb. So what did the she's like there
• 44:01
  won't be any funny business because they never get any
• 44:04
  chance to be alone with each other.
• 44:05
  All children. Well, Charlie had taken his gang
• 44:14
  chicken game to a new level and now he was participating in
• 44:17
  demolition derby. And so they would go to his like
• 44:20
  events and Carrollwood screaming the stands.
• 44:22
  And she thought this was very exciting and Charlie kind of up
• 44:25
  to word sweetness, two words, Carol and Carol would fuss over
• 44:27
  him when he got hurt. At work or when he would put
• 44:30
  himself down about being short. And she was like, well, you're
• 44:33
  the right height for me, and sure.
• 44:35
  King, feels like 56, Charlie bought her little gifts and
• 44:40
  things and Carol sorta. Let the love she developed.
• 44:44
  For Charlie replaced, the hole in her heart that William had
• 44:47
  made. Now Charlie never tried anything
• 44:50
  farther than a kiss, according to his friend Bob and also
• 44:54
  according to Carol, except for that one other time that I'll
• 44:56
  talk about later now. These weren't exactly the sexy
• 45:00
  dates of the modern era, the group just hung out went to
• 45:02
  movies dinner and Derby. Charlie's Family wasn't really
• 45:06
  into him dating a girl too young either and his dad was like,
• 45:11
  don't be messing around with young girls.
• 45:14
  So February 14th, 1957, Bob and Barbara get married in Council
• 45:20
  Bluffs Iowa because it is, you are not allowed to get married
• 45:24
  under 18 in Nebraska. So they went to another state.
• 45:29
  Okay, those are wasn't excited about it but Bob had a steady
• 45:33
  job as a garbage collector. They moved into the same
• 45:37
  tenement house that they used to live in owned by met.
• 45:39
  Holly Carol. Took over the babysitting gig
• 45:42
  which was 4 to 9 p.m. every Monday through Friday.
• 45:46
  By Spring Barb was pregnant and everybody was happy except for
• 45:50
  Marion who was like, I don't really like why is this
• 45:52
  happening so fast? And so he was like, listen,
• 45:57
  Carol, go to college, you want to be a nurse, don't following
• 45:59
  her sister's footsteps. Young got to have a baby at 16,
• 46:02
  even if you do have a husband now by July of 57 Charlie hit
• 46:07
  quit his job at the newspaper company.
• 46:10
  And now Marian was sure he wasn't a good boyfriend because
• 46:13
  the dude didn't even have a job anymore.
• 46:17
  Especially one time he came back to the house and saw Carol, like
• 46:21
  bandaging his face, and he was just like, yeah, that's because
• 46:23
  to be out. Getting in fights.
• 46:25
  Not a good boyfriend. This is very true but Marian
• 46:31
  knew he was outnumbered in the debate so he just like kept an
• 46:34
  eye on things. He figured Carol's work in
• 46:37
  cousin Carol's going to school for eight hours a day.
• 46:39
  Then she's working for five hours, five days a week and she
• 46:42
  watches her sister and she helps her mom and she reads comics.
• 46:46
  She has a lot of varied interests and Charlie comes to
• 46:49
  the house to hang out with her so I can watch things now.
• 46:56
  Carol was was happy beyond belief.
• 46:59
  She was going to be excited, she's going to become an aunt.
• 47:01
  She had friends, a cute boyfriend.
• 47:03
  She had a job. She felt so grown-up and Marion
• 47:07
  was the best substitute for a dad that a girl could ask for
• 47:09
  him. As the fall came and 57 Charlie
• 47:13
  got a job at the garbage company with his brother Rodney Carol
• 47:16
  started. The eighth grade at Whittier
• 47:18
  Junior High School. There was a small accident where
• 47:22
  Carol got in a car accident driving, Charlie's Car home from
• 47:26
  school. He kind of gave it to her
• 47:31
  because like he was always giving her things.
• 47:36
  He definitely equated. Love with physical goods.
• 47:42
  And he was liked by her all sorts of stuff and she's just
• 47:45
  like, I don't need all this. He's like whatever drive my car
• 47:47
  home. Well, the problem is Marion,
• 47:51
  look, she was terrified and she actually ended up walking home
• 47:54
  like crying and Bob saw her, and picked her up and drove her
• 47:57
  home. And she was like, I can't tell
• 47:58
  Marion, he's gonna be so upset with me.
• 48:00
  I'm not even supposed to be driving and Bob went in and told
• 48:04
  Mary Ann, what happened? And Marion went out and like
• 48:06
  hugged her. And was like, you're okay,
• 48:07
  you're fine. I don't care about the car.
• 48:09
  It's Not even my car. However, guy Starkweather had
• 48:15
  helped Charlie co-sign for that new truck and he was mad.
• 48:19
  And in fact, he threw Charlie out of the house.
• 48:22
  So Charlie moved in with Bob and Barb.
• 48:27
  The fall was the first time that Carol noticed that Charlie was
• 48:30
  possessive. He want her to quit her
• 48:33
  babysitting jobs, they could spend more time together.
• 48:35
  He gave her a bank card to his bank saying that if he ever got
• 48:39
  in trouble with his gang, you could have all my money.
• 48:45
  He also then got his own room at the tenement house.
• 48:50
  But it was really annoying for Carol because if she stopped by
• 48:52
  to visit her grandmother there was Charlie, knocking on the
• 48:54
  door. Hime Grandma pansy.
• 48:56
  Can I help you with anything? If she went to go talk to Barb
• 49:01
  and chart you know he would just show up unlock the door because
• 49:04
  he had a key to the place. Hey Bub, let's hang out like
• 49:09
  Carol was just like, we won't leave me alone.
• 49:12
  Look. Do I need my space?
• 49:13
  Okay, this is just you and me time, which is cool.
• 49:17
  But I also need my me time. The whole circle.
• 49:20
  He kept telling those weird stories about how he was gonna.
• 49:23
  Like, he came from Texas and he was born in Texas and he's a
• 49:27
  sheriff back there. And he was going back.
• 49:30
  And he also would talk about how they were going to make all this
• 49:32
  money and he was going to take Carol away from everything and
• 49:36
  Carol was like stop your garbage man.
• 49:38
  Nobody makes a hundred dollars is being a garbage man.
• 49:43
  Carol didn't actually quit her job but it had nothing to do
• 49:46
  with Charlie. Apparently, she had been
• 49:49
  watching the children and the father of the children came
• 49:52
  home, and he made a joke saying that Carol looked pregnant and
• 49:57
  she got so offended. She told the mom that she never
• 50:00
  wanted to see him again, she was like, that's disgusting ill.
• 50:03
  I would never. I would never have a child.
• 50:17
  And she was like, listen, I'll watch your babies but I don't
• 50:19
  want to talk to your husband anymore because I don't like
• 50:21
  him, he's disgusting and what he was like I will find another
• 50:24
  babysitter. It's all right.
• 50:27
  That's funny. Well.
• 50:28
  Now Carol's e things were all open and Charlie was like great,
• 50:30
  I get to see Carl whenever I want.
• 50:33
  No. Because Carol still want to hang
• 50:36
  out with her family. Yeah.
• 50:37
  And he might be time damn it. Charlie had gotten to a place
• 50:41
  where he really wasn't talking to any of his family except for
• 50:43
  his brother Rodney and he was spending like all of this money
• 50:46
  on I'm Carol to the point where some days he wouldn't have
• 50:49
  enough money for his rent and the local and may who owned the
• 50:53
  tenement house. Would lock his door.
• 50:57
  So that he couldn't get in to his room and so he have to sleep
• 51:02
  in his car at a local service station and used the bathroom
• 51:05
  there in the morning to clean up before work.
• 51:08
  Then in December he was living like I'm telling you the fantasy
• 51:12
  world was like full lock here. He went back to his old job at
• 51:16
  the paper company and he told everybody there that he was
• 51:19
  going to be a dad soon and he was so excited that his
• 51:23
  girlfriend Carol was pregnant. Carol and Charlie had almost
• 51:27
  never been alone. They were she was never pregnant
• 51:32
  by him. Yeah.
• 51:33
  In fact I don't think she's ever gotten pregnant in her whole
• 51:37
  life. Oh my God.
• 51:43
  So the first murder happens on November 30th 1957, the victim
• 51:47
  was 21 year old Robert George Culvert, Robert had recently
• 51:50
  left the Navy and worked at the service station, the Charlie
• 51:54
  often slept at when he couldn't make rent all the police knew at
• 51:58
  the time was that Robert had been found on Cornhusker Highway
• 52:01
  with a shotgun blast to the back of his head at close range.
• 52:06
  They determined that somewhat rare before between 11 p.m. and
• 52:10
  4 a.m. which was Robert shift. Someone came in to steal stuff,
• 52:15
  the killer has stolen a hundred and sixty dollars from the
• 52:17
  register and another sixty six dollars off of Robert.
• 52:21
  Since Robert was new at the job and didn't know the number to
• 52:24
  the safe, most of the money who that was there had not been
• 52:27
  stolen. That was just the days tape.
• 52:30
  So, I'm gonna lay this out for you.
• 52:32
  So December 2nd 1957, a consignment store, owner named
• 52:35
  Katherine Kemp calls the police. And she's like, hey da that case
• 52:41
  that you was in the news. I heard on the radio today, how,
• 52:46
  what kind of denominations were stolen and the police officer
• 52:50
  was like, well, lots of them. He was like, he was everything
• 52:53
  like, even like silver and stuff.
• 52:55
  Mmm. And so, she was like, listen
• 52:57
  this young man comes in all the time and normally he never
• 52:59
  spends more than Two dollars. But today he spent a lot.
• 53:06
  She told the police. He looked like he was between 20
• 53:09
  and 26 years old. He had freckles, red hair and
• 53:12
  broken glasses. Now, the officer brought him a
• 53:15
  bunch of pictures of people who have been arrested, but here's
• 53:18
  the problem. Charlie wasn't in his 20s.
• 53:23
  So, the police brought her pictures of people who matched
• 53:27
  her description. He didn't have the right photos,
• 53:31
  because Charlie was only 19. He had just turned 19.
• 53:35
  Yeah. December 3rd.
• 53:37
  Charlie shows up at the tenement house.
• 53:40
  Pays all of his back rent to met Holly and her husband's like,
• 53:44
  where'd you get all this cash? All of a sudden and Charlie's
• 53:48
  like well I had to use all my savings.
• 53:51
  He was also wearing all brand new clothes.
• 53:54
  Hmm he went to his parents house that day visited his mother
• 53:57
  Helen and Dad guy, Helen was so excited because she hadn't seen
• 54:01
  him since he started dating Carol because he was obsessed
• 54:04
  with Carol, right? In the meantime, Carol's busy
• 54:08
  getting ready for Christmas Marion had spilled that he
• 54:11
  bought Velda a washing machine and so they were all very
• 54:15
  excited to see valve has face when she got an indoor washing
• 54:18
  machine. It's awesome.
• 54:20
  Also, Carol was like, listen, that's gonna be great for me
• 54:22
  too. I don't have to bend over a
• 54:23
  washbasin, she had bought play dishes for Betty Jean.
• 54:27
  She bought some new things for the baby that barb was going to
• 54:32
  have. Meanwhile Charlie paints his
• 54:36
  blue Ford. Black changes the interior makes
• 54:39
  it red. Yeah, probably because there was
• 54:42
  somebody in the car, you know, and then might have been Blood
• 54:45
  on the car, huh? Not not because the blue Ford
• 54:49
  could have been seen near the murder scene or anything, right?
• 54:53
  Yeah, huh. The month of December came and
• 54:58
  went Charlie gets away with it later on.
• 55:01
  We would find out that the reason why he got into the
• 55:03
  argument with Robert Culvert was because Charlie wanted Robert to
• 55:07
  sell him a stuffed animal on credit.
• 55:12
  And Robert was like we don't sell things on credit at this
• 55:15
  store. Regardless Christmas came,
• 55:21
  everyone loved velders reaction to the new washer.
• 55:24
  She said this is the first time she was excited to do laundry.
• 55:29
  Carol loved having her sister there for the holiday but was
• 55:32
  pretty sad. She kind of miss the old days of
• 55:35
  them sharing the bed together, but everybody was super excited.
• 55:39
  When little Bobby Von bush, she was born on December 30th. 1957.
• 55:44
  Yes, Bob jr. Little Bobby.
• 55:49
  Little Bobby Bush. That same night, December 30th.
• 55:53
  They all went to Charlie's. They were all the tenement
• 55:56
  house. They visited Barb and her
• 55:58
  grandma and May and Orlean. Or when he even took a picture
• 56:01
  of them together, you know, he was like look at the happy
• 56:04
  couple and Carol was kind of like, I don't know if we're
• 56:10
  happy. All right.
• 56:11
  Now, honestly the night went well until Charlie like went off
• 56:17
  again, talking about how he was going to go back to Texas and be
• 56:20
  a sheriff and catch all the bad guys and Carl was just at this
• 56:24
  point. She was kind of weirded out when
• 56:25
  he went on these like weird fantasy talks.
• 56:28
  He told Carol, he was tired of hauling other people's trash and
• 56:30
  he wanted to go make more than $40 a week and he was going to
• 56:33
  run away with Carol and they were going to go to Texas and be
• 56:35
  rich. Carol.
• 56:38
  Absolutely love Charlie, but she was growing tired of the quirks.
• 56:43
  He wanted to know everything that she did every moment of the
• 56:46
  day that they were apart. Oh my God, he was especially
• 56:49
  interested in. If boys talk to her while she
• 56:51
  was at school, he talked about how Carroll was the only
• 56:55
  worthwhile person in the entire world and Carol was just
• 56:59
  starting to feel trapped. A couple weeks go by Charlie
• 57:06
  gets fired from the garbage company for telling a customer
• 57:08
  to go to hell. Oh my God.
• 57:10
  Come on, dude. The garbage did.
• 57:11
  The guy on the garbage company was like, listen the only reason
• 57:13
  why I hired you is because your brother was hearing your
• 57:15
  brother's built guys. So what I'm sick of this people
• 57:19
  complain about you all the time. On Sunday, January 19th, 1958
• 57:24
  things kind of went bad to worse.
• 57:26
  Charlie showed up unannounced to the Bartlett house while they
• 57:28
  were finishing up dinner and you know, women were cleaning in the
• 57:30
  kitchen, Carol wasn't in the best mood at the time and here
• 57:36
  was sour face Charlie also in a terrible mood because he was
• 57:39
  fired and Charlie started. Questioning her about the boys
• 57:42
  from school and Carol was like I'm no go leave if you're in
• 57:47
  such a bad move go home right? Yeah and he was like, I'm not
• 57:50
  leaving Leaving. So Carl was like, I want you to
• 57:52
  get out and not come back anymore.
• 57:54
  I don't want to see you ever again valda tried to kind of
• 57:59
  quietly just be like, listen maybe come back in a couple
• 58:02
  days, you know, you give her some space.
• 58:06
  Give her some space and just before Charlie left he was like,
• 58:09
  are you serious about never seeing me again and she said yes
• 58:13
  and then she ran to her room and cried you know, everything was
• 58:17
  really quiet and the Bartlett house until January 21st valda.
• 58:20
  Got coffee and food made from made for the household.
• 58:24
  Read the paper. Quietly trial went to school,
• 58:27
  the family took Betty Gina visit pansy.
• 58:29
  They were planning a really big family gathering the following
• 58:32
  Saturday, Charlie volunteered to help Rodney with his garbage
• 58:37
  rounds. If he agreed to let him borrow
• 58:39
  his 22 rifle. He said, now he told Rodney he
• 58:42
  was going hunting with Carol's dad Marion.
• 58:46
  So Rodney dropped, Charlie off back at the tenement house
• 58:50
  around. And noon.
• 58:53
  Now, 12:30 Velda Marion and Betty Jean, leave Barb's house.
• 59:00
  They won Bart like Mary need to get sleep because he was working
• 59:02
  the night shift. The family was really surprised
• 59:06
  to see Charlie standing in the hallway, outside of his door
• 59:08
  with a rifle. His door had been locked again,
• 59:11
  by May for non-payment for January.
• 59:15
  At 1:20 p.m. Miriam I guess.
• 59:19
  He must have dropped the family off with the house and then gone
• 59:21
  to the local Safeway, which is I had.
• 59:23
  No Safeway has been around for so long but he saw one of his
• 59:26
  co-workers, the grocery store. Yeah, I know.
• 59:29
  I know what it is. I was like, damn, that is right.
• 59:32
  I don't think we've been around for so long now.
• 59:35
  This is poignant because the woman, the co-worker who he saw
• 59:38
  at Safeway her name was Virginia Robson.
• 59:40
  And when she got back to the office around 2 p.m., she got a
• 59:42
  note from another secretary who covered Lunch.
• 59:45
  Chef saying that Marion Bartlett had just called and said he
• 59:48
  wasn't feeling well and wouldn't be coming in that night and she
• 59:52
  had just saw him 40 minutes earlier.
• 59:55
  Now that phone call had come from the Bartlett house and
• 59:58
  Charlie Starkweather had absolutely stopped by to talk to
• 1:00:01
  Mary Ann. I'm Marion had absolutely enough
• 1:00:05
  with this weird guy and demanded that Charlie stay away from
• 1:00:08
  their home and leave Carol alone, which is when Charlie
• 1:00:12
  shot, both Mary, and Anne valda and then strangled, and stabbed,
• 1:00:15
  two year old Betty Jean, then why is Charlie waited for Carol
• 1:00:19
  to come home? He dragged her family's bodies
• 1:00:21
  out into the back yard, cleaned up the house as best he could,
• 1:00:25
  he eventually stored their bodies in the chicken coop.
• 1:00:29
  When Carol walked through the door at about 3:30 that
• 1:00:31
  afternoon, Charlie pull, he appointed he pointed a gun at
• 1:00:35
  her and was just like, sit down. Carol was like what are you
• 1:00:38
  doing? You're like whatever.
• 1:00:40
  Like you're not being serious like what's wrong.
• 1:00:42
  She honestly laughed at him until he slapped her and shoved
• 1:00:45
  her into a chair. He told Carol that her parents
• 1:00:47
  were safe but they were bound and they would stay safe.
• 1:00:50
  If she agreed to go with him willingly, he told her that his
• 1:00:54
  gang was watching the house. And if she tried to run away, he
• 1:00:57
  kill her family. Now, Carol wasn't sure if this
• 1:01:01
  was just Charlie rambling again, or if this was real.
• 1:01:05
  And so she noticed that Charlie had her mom's pistol on his
• 1:01:07
  belt. He spent the night rambling on
• 1:01:11
  and how he killed a man at a gas station.
• 1:01:13
  And at one point giving Carol the pistol and being like shoot
• 1:01:16
  me. Okay, the next morning when her
• 1:01:20
  classmate Bonnie stop by to walk to the bus.
• 1:01:22
  Stop Charlie, threatened to kill her.
• 1:01:24
  So Carol was like I'm sick, don't come back.
• 1:01:31
  Charlie spent most of the day telling her that if she stopped
• 1:01:33
  one title on, he call his gang in her parents would be killed.
• 1:01:35
  So Carol did whatever he asked if he wanted food.
• 1:01:38
  She cooked it for him. She got the mail that the dog.
• 1:01:41
  When Rodney his own brother stopped by, he was like if you
• 1:01:44
  let him know what's going on, I'm going to shoot him and she's
• 1:01:47
  like, you're not going to shoot your brother and he's like, yes,
• 1:01:49
  I would So, Carolyn's up stepping outside and being like,
• 1:01:54
  I don't know where Charlie is, we're not together anymore.
• 1:01:57
  And Ronnie would later on, tell the police that Carol looked
• 1:02:00
  visibly ill at this point, this one on for the next several days
• 1:02:04
  until Friday. January 24th, Carol actually
• 1:02:07
  spent three days in isolation with him as he ranted and raved
• 1:02:10
  about different things. If he left the house, he would
• 1:02:12
  tie her up if she had to go to the bathroom.
• 1:02:14
  He watched her and other people came to the house.
• 1:02:17
  She told them that Marion was Ill, he wouldn't be back to work
• 1:02:20
  until Monday. My mom's sick, she told her over
• 1:02:23
  and over again. If you let anyone in this house,
• 1:02:25
  I'm gonna shoot them on Saturday about 3:30 p.m.
• 1:02:29
  Carol, saw her sister walking up the sidewalk with Bob and Bobby
• 1:02:32
  because Carol didn't know that they had planned to have a
• 1:02:34
  family gathering there, right? Carol, stepped outside and
• 1:02:37
  yelled. Everyone has the flu go away.
• 1:02:39
  If you know what's good for you or mother will get hurt that.
• 1:02:42
  Last line really stop Barb and her tracks and she ended up
• 1:02:45
  sending Bobby Bobby back to the car where I was like, I want to
• 1:02:48
  see my mother. I want to see our mother Carol
• 1:02:50
  like And ugly scream like, you know, the baby's gonna get sick,
• 1:02:53
  it's going to die. Barb was super confused.
• 1:02:55
  But she got back into the car, Charlie made her go back out
• 1:02:58
  into the rain, to try and talk to them again and like, calm
• 1:03:01
  them down. By the time, she got to the car.
• 1:03:04
  She was like crying, and she was apologizing and then she ran
• 1:03:08
  back into the house. Bob was like, something's wrong
• 1:03:11
  here. Yeah, as well one.
• 1:03:14
  He was like, it was weird when he drove up because all the
• 1:03:16
  curtains were closed and he said, the Carol was acting real
• 1:03:19
  weird. Her hair was Shoveled, she
• 1:03:21
  hadn't come. Did she looked exhausted,
• 1:03:24
  Ronnie, stop by and the two ends.
• 1:03:25
  The police station to talk about what they both experienced with
• 1:03:28
  Carol. The police offered to send two
• 1:03:31
  men out and about a half hour. So at 9:25 Donald killer and
• 1:03:35
  Frank's new cab arrived in the block where the Bartlett's live.
• 1:03:38
  They walk through the door and Carol came out, she was wearing
• 1:03:40
  like a housecoat and she's just like, what's up?
• 1:03:43
  And he's just like well you turned away, your family members
• 1:03:46
  and Carol was like, listen, everyone's violently ill with
• 1:03:48
  the flu, that's why I'm turning people away.
• 1:03:51
  Way. And then she was like, sitting
• 1:03:52
  there talking like she said, listen, my brother-in-law
• 1:03:56
  doesn't really like our family, so that's probably why he's
• 1:03:58
  calling the cops on us. And, here's the thing though,
• 1:04:01
  Bob and Ronnie weren't sure the police were gonna do what they
• 1:04:03
  were supposed to do. So, they were out on the street
• 1:04:05
  hiding watching, Bob was definitely confused to here,
• 1:04:09
  Carol, tell the police that Bob didn't like her family, right?
• 1:04:12
  Rob is the best it just set off more alarm Bells.
• 1:04:16
  So then after the police left, he went to the door and was
• 1:04:19
  like, I need to pee in your mom. Because she did our laundry and
• 1:04:22
  Carl was like, please don't come in, or my mom's life is going to
• 1:04:25
  be in danger. Charlie tied, her up called Bob
• 1:04:29
  and Rodney from Tate's. Conoco station and asked for a
• 1:04:33
  ride back home and to pick him up on Cornhusker Road.
• 1:04:37
  The two men went to the gas station, and Charlie wasn't
• 1:04:43
  there, trolley? Then called Bob told the said,
• 1:04:46
  the whole family was sick and that he had gone to get
• 1:04:47
  groceries for them. That was also the night that
• 1:04:51
  Charlie tried to rape Carol, but he couldn't sustain an erection
• 1:04:57
  long enough to do it. Sunday January 26, levitas
• 1:05:05
  Starkweather came to the house looking for her brother.
• 1:05:08
  Carol told her that Charlie said he was going to rob a bank with
• 1:05:11
  his gang and he had her family held hostage, like she really
• 1:05:14
  was, like, trying to whisper it to her when there was literally
• 1:05:18
  like Charlie had taken her father's shotgun sawed it off
• 1:05:21
  and was standing like next to the door with the shotgun
• 1:05:25
  pointed at her and she's like, he has a gun.
• 1:05:27
  He's gonna kill me and my family and like, La Vida couldn't
• 1:05:29
  really understand what was happening.
• 1:05:31
  She only heard like part of it and it was really cold.
• 1:05:33
  So she was like, whatever, I'm leaving, no, don't whatever, go
• 1:05:36
  do, whatever. So Charlie was like, I'm so sick
• 1:05:39
  of these people coming to your house.
• 1:05:40
  Why are there people here? Every friggin day?
• 1:05:42
  Because people like my family people like they like to see my
• 1:05:46
  family. Okay.
• 1:05:47
  We like, what do you mean? We're not asshole, who's well?
• 1:05:51
  So he had her, write a note and so she wrote on the Note, stay
• 1:05:54
  away. Everyone is sick with the flu
• 1:05:57
  Miss Bartlett, and she underlined Miss Bartlett, a
• 1:06:00
  bunch of time. And tape it to the door hoping
• 1:06:02
  that people would understand that Carol is a for gate.
• 1:06:06
  She's not a Bartlett the only miss Bartlett in that house was
• 1:06:09
  under three years old. Mmm, So it's Monday, January
• 1:06:13
  27th, the sign worked, when her classmate Bonnie, showed up at
• 1:06:16
  the door. However, pansy Street was like I
• 1:06:19
  haven't heard from my daughter in a week, this is unheard of.
• 1:06:23
  So pansy took a cab out and she's like she told the driver
• 1:06:26
  to wait, it's 8:30 in the morning and she saw Carol
• 1:06:29
  standing in the living room. The door was open and careless
• 1:06:32
  just like go away. Grandma go home Mama's life is
• 1:06:36
  in danger if you don't stay away and careless like sitting there
• 1:06:39
  trying to like discreetly point. Point to Charlie who is standing
• 1:06:44
  in the next doorway, with a gun pointed out.
• 1:06:47
  Her panty didn't understand. But she was, like, listen, she
• 1:06:50
  called for valda. And she like, when she didn't
• 1:06:52
  hear valda or Betty Jean, she was like, if you won't let me
• 1:06:56
  in, I'm coming back with the police.
• 1:07:00
  So as well to drives away Charlie's like we gotta go, go
• 1:07:03
  get your coat. We're leaving they went to
• 1:07:05
  another location to pick up his car.
• 1:07:08
  They stopped at a service station, Carol.
• 1:07:10
  Carol was like watching The Men Who were like, filling the gas
• 1:07:13
  up and she wrote a note and put it like in her pocket that said,
• 1:07:17
  help police don't ignore, but she was too scared to give it to
• 1:07:21
  him. No.
• 1:07:24
  When pansy walked into the police station, the police were
• 1:07:27
  getting a phone. Call about a man with a young
• 1:07:29
  girl in tow who looked pretty fucking scared and pansy heard,
• 1:07:33
  the description of the guy and was like, that's my
• 1:07:35
  granddaughter's boyfriend. Charles Starkweather at the same
• 1:07:39
  time, levena had told her dad guy about Charles holding about
• 1:07:43
  Charles and segment. Like Carol said, that Charles is
• 1:07:46
  there and has a gun and has her family hostage?
• 1:07:49
  Yeah. Why don't you like help her?
• 1:07:51
  So guy had called the police and was like, you, I need to go pick
• 1:07:54
  up my son so kind of them all simultaneously, the police
• 1:07:57
  station, the Lincoln Police Department receive like four
• 1:08:01
  different calls about Charles Starkweather and and Carol and
• 1:08:06
  nice nice. So two more cop cars, two more
• 1:08:09
  cops come out of 10. A.m. all the doors are locked.
• 1:08:11
  They unlock the door. Pansy went all around inside the
• 1:08:14
  house, she couldn't find her family.
• 1:08:16
  They were like we don't understand what's going on.
• 1:08:18
  There's no Carol now. There's no, nobody bullies are
• 1:08:20
  like, so, Bob was like, There's no way that they just up and go
• 1:08:27
  and they leave their 14 year old daughter and barbarous like
• 1:08:30
  listen, like maybe we should stay out of other people's
• 1:08:33
  business and Bob was like, no I'm gonna go check one more
• 1:08:38
  time. Yeah.
• 1:08:39
  So you went out please. Bob would have the house at 4
• 1:08:42
  p.m. and when all the doors were locked, he walked around to the
• 1:08:45
  chicken coop, which is where he now found the like seven-day
• 1:08:50
  decomposed remains of the Bartlett Family.
• 1:08:55
  And of course, he lets the police go so that hits the Press
• 1:08:58
  immediately and taught Bartlett Family, slain missing 14 year
• 1:09:02
  old daughter, potentially with Charlie Starkweather, 19 year
• 1:09:07
  old boyfriend. Yep.
• 1:09:08
  So that night, as Carolyn Charlie on the Run, they stopped
• 1:09:11
  by a family friends, house and Bennett Nebraska August Meyer.
• 1:09:15
  Who became the next victim? Charlie told, August of the car
• 1:09:18
  was stuck. They need to get some in the
• 1:09:19
  pull it out when August walked back into the house, Charlie
• 1:09:22
  shot him in the back as well. He dragged his body into a
• 1:09:26
  building on the property. Told Carol to pick up his
• 1:09:28
  clothes, he also shot Myers Dog. They ended up taking their car
• 1:09:34
  into the back roads and kept going because Carol was scared.
• 1:09:37
  He wanted to stay at the house, August Myers house and Carol was
• 1:09:40
  like, but what if the ghost of August Meyer is there because
• 1:09:44
  you killed him on his property and like trolley was like, what
• 1:09:47
  the fuck is wrong with you? And they kept driving, just
• 1:09:51
  coming from a man who thinks he's a freaking Texas Rangers.
• 1:09:54
  Shut the fuck up. Listen, she's like, listen,
• 1:09:58
  Grandma, Hitchcock, talk to me about ghosts and you just killed
• 1:10:01
  a man on his friends die. Cops and you want to stay in
• 1:10:04
  this house and you want to stay in that man's house.
• 1:10:06
  He's definitely an angry ghost now.
• 1:10:08
  He's definitely gonna haunt your ass.
• 1:10:10
  I mean, one percent they get stuck again.
• 1:10:13
  And as they are walking down the road, a couple stops to talk to
• 1:10:15
  them. That couple was Robert Jensen
• 1:10:17
  and Carole King, Robert was 17, and Carol was 16, once they were
• 1:10:21
  on the road, Charlie pulled the gun to the back of Roberts, had
• 1:10:25
  directed them to a seller. That was part of an old school
• 1:10:27
  house down the cellar. He took Rocky like he had Carol,
• 1:10:31
  hold the gun on Carol, King. So, he Carol Anne, hold the gun
• 1:10:36
  on Carole King. And he took Robert down into the
• 1:10:39
  basement. Now, he told Carol that he was
• 1:10:41
  just going to tie him up and leave him there.
• 1:10:44
  Carol here is the shotgun. Go on, she's freaking out, he
• 1:10:49
  goes, he gets crowned King, he tries to rape, Carole King, but
• 1:10:53
  can't do it as well. Impotent, ultimately shoots.
• 1:10:57
  Her leaves her like naked on top of her boyfriend.
• 1:11:02
  Later on, he would say that Carolyn helped him, but she was
• 1:11:04
  like, I was in the car the entire time.
• 1:11:06
  Leave me alone. The to take the Jensens car
• 1:11:09
  though and they he drives Carol falls asleep while Charlie
• 1:11:13
  drives by Tuesday. Everybody knows about the
• 1:11:15
  Bartlett, Family murders. When Carol wakes up there,
• 1:11:19
  sitting in front of a beautiful big White House, near Lincoln
• 1:11:21
  Nebraska, which is wild because they have kind of made a weird
• 1:11:24
  Circle at this point. Now, this was the home of seal
• 1:11:27
  our Ward and his wife Clara, when Charlie walked up to the
• 1:11:31
  house, he stabbed their made Lillian fenkell to death killed
• 1:11:35
  the dog and then waited for the wards to get home.
• 1:11:38
  In fact, he made like he told Carol Wait, Ima take a nap.
• 1:11:46
  You tell me when someone drives up.
• 1:11:48
  Okay, well, why all the the dog murders white?
• 1:11:54
  Why you cannot go? Because apparently does be
• 1:11:55
  barking when you kill the owners.
• 1:11:58
  Didn't know shit. You just let him run away.
• 1:12:01
  No them dogs are ran away. They were probably trying to
• 1:12:04
  bite back. How dare you?
• 1:12:06
  Fuck you dog? Well, Carol did comply.
• 1:12:13
  And Clara got home first and she was also stabbed to death.
• 1:12:18
  And then when lower Ward came home, he was shot.
• 1:12:22
  Charlie would go on to say that. It was Carroll who stabbed both
• 1:12:24
  the women, and she helped him rob their home of jewelry.
• 1:12:28
  And then they stole de Lauer car, the word car and went back
• 1:12:32
  on the road, truly want to be there talking about well, so the
• 1:12:36
  warden fenkell murder is now huge, because he's a rich
• 1:12:39
  people, police go door to door searching, the governor calls in
• 1:12:42
  the A guard for them to help doing block by block search and
• 1:12:46
  the same time, the community and police find August Meyer and
• 1:12:49
  they think and Charlie's Truck. So they initially think that
• 1:12:53
  they're in there but when they breach the house they don't find
• 1:12:55
  anybody a farmer from the area hears about all this craziness
• 1:12:59
  going on and it's like um you guys went to go out to the old
• 1:13:02
  school house, I was just walking around this morning and I happen
• 1:13:05
  to go into the cellar and here the schoolhouse and there's two
• 1:13:08
  kids in there dead. And he said that was purely him
• 1:13:12
  just walking by randomly because it's an old building, and he was
• 1:13:15
  just, you know, spelunking, right?
• 1:13:18
  Yeah. But January 29th, the papers are
• 1:13:21
  reporting on all of these stories and they are all
• 1:13:23
  connected to Charlie, and Carol. Charlie didn't know that they
• 1:13:27
  were all over the papers. He decided we're going to
• 1:13:29
  Washington because I got family there.
• 1:13:32
  Well, driving through Wyoming. Now, one thing he did here was
• 1:13:37
  that the ward the words have been found and he knew he had to
• 1:13:40
  get rid of the ward car because that one, the police knew about.
• 1:13:43
  So he dropped that the go as he, they stopped to see this white
• 1:13:48
  Buick on the side of the road. He talks to the guy in the car
• 1:13:51
  and then shoots the guy through the window that man was marrow
• 1:13:55
  Collinson and he had just been sleeping in his car.
• 1:13:59
  Later. Charlie, also claims that Carol
• 1:14:01
  did this? Now the salesman's car had a
• 1:14:05
  parking brake which apparently was new in cars and Charlie
• 1:14:10
  didn't know and unlike now where the parking brake is more like
• 1:14:16
  the emergency make the car smell funny button back then listen I
• 1:14:22
  have I have witnessed this from other people where if they try
• 1:14:26
  and walk with they try and drive with the parking brake, it
• 1:14:29
  smells like burning but you can still drive the car.
• 1:14:32
  Yeah. Well you can still drive the car
• 1:14:35
  like now but apparently back then if you had the parking
• 1:14:37
  brake on that thing wasn't going and in fact the car stalled as
• 1:14:41
  he was trying to drive away. Huh.
• 1:14:43
  Nice. So at this moment, Another man
• 1:14:49
  pulls up on the road, his name is Joe sprinkle and Joe's.
• 1:14:53
  Like, do you need any help? Like, what's wrong with your
• 1:14:55
  car? And Charlie like turns and
• 1:14:57
  threatens the man with a rifle? And it was at that moment that
• 1:15:01
  sheriff's, deputy William Romer arrived on the scene, just, he
• 1:15:05
  just was driving down the road and it's like there's a man
• 1:15:09
  threatening. Another man with a gun.
• 1:15:13
  Carol immediately seeing a cop runs the police officer and she
• 1:15:16
  said he's gonna kill me and Charlie Hops and Joe sprinkles
• 1:15:21
  car and just drives off. This causes a high-speed car
• 1:15:26
  chase with three other officers with William.
• 1:15:30
  Romer Robert Ainsley and Earl Heflin.
• 1:15:34
  Joe sprinkle just kind of waited on the side of the road with the
• 1:15:37
  sobbing Carol. This this car case went well
• 1:15:40
  over 100 miles per hour until Charlie and so Earl Heflin, got
• 1:15:44
  a good shot in and it broke the windshield and some of the glass
• 1:15:49
  cut Charlie. He ended up stopping the car and
• 1:15:52
  surrendering because he thought he was going to die.
• 1:15:55
  In fact, Earl Heflin was quoted saying, he thought he was
• 1:15:57
  bleeding to death. That's why he stopped.
• 1:15:59
  That's the kind of yellow, son of a bitch.
• 1:16:01
  He is, he was he was a fucking coward, yellow-bellied.
• 1:16:09
  Now, some stuff happens next. That I personally think is
• 1:16:12
  jacked up, okay, so the modern day and age, Carol could not be
• 1:16:17
  questioned by police without a lawyer or her family present,
• 1:16:22
  right? First thing they do in Wyoming
• 1:16:26
  as while she is being like sedated because she's having a
• 1:16:30
  freaking attack. They have her sign of Cathay
• 1:16:34
  have her sign a document. Now, the document that they have
• 1:16:38
  her sign is extraditing her from Wyoming to Nebraska.
• 1:16:42
  The problem is, you can't have someone extradited if they
• 1:16:46
  haven't been formally charged. No, formal, charge happened in
• 1:16:50
  Wyoming. So, technically, these papers
• 1:16:54
  were illegal from the job, right?
• 1:16:56
  Invalid of that that first night they stopped and Goering
• 1:16:59
  Nebraska. And one of the share, they like
• 1:17:02
  took her to one of the sheriff's houses because they were like,
• 1:17:03
  we're not going to leave her in a prison.
• 1:17:06
  And one of the sheriff's wives watched her, she was mainly
• 1:17:10
  sedated through most of the time.
• 1:17:12
  And in fact, one of the women said, I'm sorry about your
• 1:17:15
  family and that was the first time that Carol even heard that
• 1:17:18
  she was an orphan. Carol was inconsolable and she
• 1:17:21
  actually screamed at the police. Like, how are they dead?
• 1:17:24
  I did. Everything.
• 1:17:25
  Starkweather told me to do, that's right.
• 1:17:27
  Because he is, she said that they were tied up somewhere.
• 1:17:31
  She was like, how they can't be dad.
• 1:17:33
  I did everything. He told me to do.
• 1:17:34
  They sedated her again. Again, she was visited by
• 1:17:37
  multiple doctors. Eventually they got her to
• 1:17:38
  Lincoln Nebraska. The finally day, they handed her
• 1:17:41
  over to a woman named mrs. Morel carnap and Merle explained
• 1:17:45
  to her, that her family was dead and they were dead before she'd
• 1:17:47
  even arrived home from school. This happened at a mental health
• 1:17:53
  facility, which Carol was not fully aware of at the time.
• 1:17:57
  She didn't realize she was. She didn't know where she was,
• 1:18:01
  or what was going on. Merle was one of the doctors
• 1:18:05
  task. With kind of keeping track of
• 1:18:07
  her Marilyn has said that someday, she, it was like, she
• 1:18:11
  understood what happened? And other days, she would be,
• 1:18:15
  like, sitting making dolls for Betty.
• 1:18:18
  Like, when I go back to my family, I'm going to give this
• 1:18:20
  to Betty, like she was just in shock and like it's unethical
• 1:18:28
  that at this moment, they decide they're going to interrogate
• 1:18:31
  her. Hmm.
• 1:18:33
  Now surely right now Charlie is fully aware of his.
• 1:18:39
  He's it aware of all of his faculties.
• 1:18:41
  He asks to be exercised in Nebraska because the current
• 1:18:45
  governor wasn't super fond of the death penalty.
• 1:18:47
  At first Charlie, said Carol hadn't killed anyone but as they
• 1:18:52
  were interrogating him, he changed his story back in the
• 1:18:55
  hospital. They came to Carroll with a new
• 1:18:59
  story from Charlie and Carol was super confused.
• 1:19:02
  She was like, I never killed Anyone.
• 1:19:04
  Charlie also told the cops that he and Carolyn had sex and sex
• 1:19:07
  every day they had anal sex and and when the doctor told her
• 1:19:12
  that, she told him that he was disgusting, and she didn't want
• 1:19:16
  to see his face anymore, and she was like getting my face with
• 1:19:18
  that disgusting stuff. Because let's all remember she
• 1:19:21
  still 14 rule girl? Yeah.
• 1:19:25
  February 2nd Sunday. They told Carol that Charlie
• 1:19:29
  wanted to see her. And Carol told them I'm scared
• 1:19:31
  to death of him and I don't want to ever see him again, and they
• 1:19:34
  were like, well, he might not believe that if you tell us
• 1:19:38
  that, so she wrote him a note that said, Charlie, I don't want
• 1:19:42
  to see you. I'm afraid of what I might do
• 1:19:44
  that same day Barb, William Barb and then William and Dot came to
• 1:19:50
  visit. The doctors rather unethically
• 1:19:55
  had Carol speak to a court reporter in the hospital.
• 1:19:57
  She gave them a statement. She was completely being led on
• 1:20:01
  by the doctors. They kept asking her like you
• 1:20:04
  knew this was wrong like holding the gun for him.
• 1:20:07
  Did you know the gun had bullets in it?
• 1:20:09
  Like I looked at some of these transcripts and it was it was
• 1:20:12
  really unethical on many levels. Are you like you know, that it's
• 1:20:16
  wrong to shoot people and she's like yeah it's wrong and shoot
• 1:20:20
  people but I And shoot anybody. I didn't do anything.
• 1:20:24
  They definitely the problem is like this is why they tell you
• 1:20:27
  not to talk to police without an attorney present because they
• 1:20:30
  had her admitting to things that she didn't understand.
• 1:20:33
  Like she didn't know that the law in Nebraska was it didn't
• 1:20:37
  matter if you pulled the trigger or not if you helped during the
• 1:20:40
  commission of a crime. You are just as guilty as the
• 1:20:44
  person who pulled the trigger. So her saying that she helped by
• 1:20:49
  holding the gun on Carole King. They were going to hold the
• 1:20:53
  death of Carole King over her and Robert Jensen.
• 1:20:57
  Okay. Okay.
• 1:20:59
  In fact, it wasn't until the day before her, her arraignment that
• 1:21:04
  they were explaining to her. This is a very serious charge
• 1:21:06
  and she was like, what are you talking about?
• 1:21:08
  And he's just like, it's a really serious charge.
• 1:21:10
  It's a capital murder offense and she's like, What murder?
• 1:21:15
  Yeah I've been hearing about this without writing about.
• 1:21:17
  Now this later comes out during her trial which is why I'm
• 1:21:20
  absolutely just. What's the word flummoxed?
• 1:21:23
  I don't know, just completely shocked, ever guessed it
• 1:21:26
  flabbergasted that like they definitely did not tell her at
• 1:21:30
  any point. During this bit that she was
• 1:21:32
  going to be charged with a crime and you're supposed to let The
• 1:21:37
  person know that they've being charged with a crime, but
• 1:21:39
  regardless would get to that, when it's time to go to her
• 1:21:41
  court case, they both get arraigned on February, 3rd,
• 1:21:44
  1958, they were both charged with premeditated murder during
• 1:21:48
  the commission of a robbery against Robert Jensen, Junior
• 1:21:51
  and both plead not guilty. Interestingly enough they never
• 1:21:54
  formally charged Carol with the death of Carole King even though
• 1:21:59
  they kept bringing her up during careless child.
• 1:22:02
  So I'm trial. Yeah, I know she meant but they,
• 1:22:05
  they brought it. Up.
• 1:22:06
  So to make the jewelry. Like think about all this poor
• 1:22:09
  16 year old girls her life, snuffed out.
• 1:22:11
  We'll get there either way. March 10th, 1958 judge, Harry,
• 1:22:15
  Spencer appoints, T Clement goggan, and William tea, matcha
• 1:22:19
  lot to represent Charlie. Who would now told the police
• 1:22:22
  nine different stories about what happened during the
• 1:22:24
  shooting spree version one? He said they did it together.
• 1:22:27
  Carol, and even written a little note for the police that said
• 1:22:30
  for police only, which obviously was not written by her, it was
• 1:22:33
  written by Charlie version to, he said, Carol was hot.
• 1:22:36
  Is the whole time version 3. He said he killed Carol's family
• 1:22:39
  before she came home from school version.
• 1:22:40
  For he said Carol helped him a lot but she didn't do any of the
• 1:22:43
  killing also true version 5. He said he killed nine people,
• 1:22:47
  but Carol has killed two of the people version 6.
• 1:22:50
  He said he killed the Bartlett's while Carol was in school, but
• 1:22:53
  he detailed the murders completely wrong.
• 1:22:55
  I didn't match any the forensics version 7, he talked about going
• 1:22:58
  hunting with Marion and that he'd gone back after Carol, got
• 1:23:01
  out of school and that Carol was present, when her whole family
• 1:23:03
  was murdered version. Number eight, he said, That they
• 1:23:07
  shot Merle Collinson to gather on the side of the road Version
• 1:23:10
  9. He said I'll be damned if I be
• 1:23:13
  sentence for what I didn't do Carol is the most trigger happy
• 1:23:16
  person I've ever seen. Some of these confessions were
• 1:23:21
  things that he wrote like on the walls of his cell.
• 1:23:25
  But regardless, the Starkweather trial begins, May 5th, 1958 and
• 1:23:28
  ends on May 22nd 1958 was the biggest trial in Nebraska at the
• 1:23:32
  time cameras were barred from the courtroom, but right writers
• 1:23:35
  were allowed to be there. His lawyers had to check his
• 1:23:37
  change, his plea from not guilty to Not Guilty by reason of
• 1:23:40
  insanity, which upset his family, he got on the stand and
• 1:23:43
  he told them that he killed them all in self-defense that Carol
• 1:23:46
  loved it and the media ran with it, many psychiatrists were
• 1:23:50
  called to the stand in support and opposition.
• 1:23:54
  One of his his Supporters was like, he's a wild animal unable
• 1:23:58
  to premeditate premeditate crimes.
• 1:24:00
  Another one was like, I honestly believe that he does believe
• 1:24:03
  this was in self-defense because he has like a victim complex.
• 1:24:07
  The prosecution's doctors like, listen, he's legally sane and he
• 1:24:10
  does have a personality disorder, but it's not bad
• 1:24:14
  enough that he would ever be committed to a hospital for any
• 1:24:17
  length of time that one? No, wait.
• 1:24:21
  I agree with the last two, honestly.
• 1:24:23
  I think that he was delusional. He did.
• 1:24:25
  Believe that the everyone in the world was out to get him except
• 1:24:28
  for Carol and I don't think, I mean he was able to exist in
• 1:24:32
  society, he was able to have a job.
• 1:24:34
  He did have minor delusions but they weren't enough to really
• 1:24:37
  get in the way of everything. Exactly.
• 1:24:40
  Now he was found guilty and sentenced to death.
• 1:24:43
  It's reported in the united Press International Paper
• 1:24:46
  saying, I'll be glad to go to the chair if Carol will sit on
• 1:24:50
  my lap. Fuck off a piece of shit.
• 1:24:54
  I'm sorry, I'm down. Charles Starkweather was
• 1:25:02
  executed 13 months later, June 25th 1959 and between the date
• 1:25:06
  of his sentencing and the day he died.
• 1:25:09
  He did everything in his power to try and have Carol have the
• 1:25:13
  same fate as him. Come on man.
• 1:25:16
  Just It's really sad because Carol tried everything to get
• 1:25:20
  the truth out, but no one believed her.
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  She even wrote a telegram to President Eisenhower and was
• 1:25:24
  just like, listen, I didn't do any of this stuff.
• 1:25:27
  I was there when it happened. I do know that was wrong that I
• 1:25:29
  was there. Is there any way that you can
• 1:25:31
  like get this change and the White House responded that it
• 1:25:35
  was a state matter and that the president could not intervene.
• 1:25:38
  She like she was held against her will.
• 1:25:40
  Yeah. So, at, 15 years old, and
• 1:25:45
  October of nineteen fifty-eight, her trial was held the court of
• 1:25:48
  public opinion. However, had long judged her
• 1:25:52
  from the time that Charles talked about her being hyper
• 1:25:57
  sexual, like, despite being impotent.
• 1:26:00
  Course, he told everyone who would listen, he had sex every
• 1:26:04
  day with her at her parents house.
• 1:26:05
  There was no way she was going to get a fair trial or jury that
• 1:26:08
  believed her, when the police didn't even believe her and her
• 1:26:11
  lawyer, John With Arthur who also wrote a book that I have
• 1:26:14
  used as one of the references here in his book.
• 1:26:17
  He said, he, he, he shows the letter, and here's what the
• 1:26:20
  letter said, are you so bad off that you must steer, your soul
• 1:26:23
  and lie and cheat for a murderer and a whore?
• 1:26:26
  Suppose? It was your son or daughter?
• 1:26:27
  Who had been so brutally butchered without cause, how
• 1:26:30
  would you like for some faddle lawyer to take the case of the
• 1:26:32
  criminal Andres heaven? And how to clear that brute?
• 1:26:35
  Why were you the only attorney in the city willing to defend
• 1:26:38
  such a horrible girl for shame? How can you look yourself in the
• 1:26:42
  Be careful or the judge was the Lord will follow you and your
• 1:26:44
  loved ones for your dastardly axons.
• 1:26:46
  Let Justice take its course and you keep your big mouth.
• 1:26:49
  Shut how can an attorney, Like You Escape judgment better watch
• 1:26:53
  out signed disgusted, those are the kind of letters that he
• 1:26:56
  received. Newspapers, ran constant
• 1:26:59
  headlines with the words of Charlie Starkweather, just one
• 1:27:03
  week before the trial. One of the jurors was making
• 1:27:07
  bets that she was gonna get the death penalty, which is the kind
• 1:27:11
  of thing that should have a man removed from the jury pool.
• 1:27:16
  Get your ass out of here. Yep.
• 1:27:18
  Yeah, they they found about that after the trial and carols
• 1:27:20
  trial, actually her lawyer trying to get a mistrial, but
• 1:27:23
  didn't matter. It was denied.
• 1:27:26
  Why? Because everybody had it in for
• 1:27:29
  this little girl. So, was mr.
• 1:27:31
  Trout. That's, that's not okay.
• 1:27:33
  UK should have been a mistrial, she should have got a new trial
• 1:27:35
  because of that, but a lot happened here, that was not on
• 1:27:38
  board, and I'm about to tell you about some of it.
• 1:27:40
  So, trial begins, October, 27, 1958 her lawyer.
• 1:27:43
  Tried his absolute best. He explained that like this
• 1:27:46
  little girl. She's an eighth-grade walked
• 1:27:48
  into her house and there was a gun in her face.
• 1:27:50
  And from that moment on, she just feared for her life for the
• 1:27:52
  next eight days. The prosecution brings up
• 1:27:55
  Jensen, senior to tug at the Heartstrings, The jury they
• 1:27:59
  bring up the brothers of Carole King heartstrings, the
• 1:28:02
  prosecution brings in the pathologist and the cops who go
• 1:28:06
  into Grim detail about the, the bodies in the cellar.
• 1:28:11
  The cops Who deliver her to prison did defend her, and told
• 1:28:14
  the court that she was delirious it look like she hadn't, eaten
• 1:28:16
  or drank anything and days. One of them was like she said,
• 1:28:20
  she saw nine murders one of those cops straight-up lied on
• 1:28:24
  stand and that Carol and said that, Carol told him she'd seen
• 1:28:27
  him. Kill her parents that did not
• 1:28:29
  happen. The sheriff's wife who looked
• 1:28:32
  after her that first night was like, honestly she was
• 1:28:35
  terrified. She barely spoke only mumbled
• 1:28:38
  and just slept for like 12 hours if I'm when she was.
• 1:28:43
  Yeah she wasn't talking about the case at that point but they
• 1:28:46
  had they all were coming up with like magical things that Carol
• 1:28:49
  Ann said right afterward like most of the time within those
• 1:28:54
  first few days. She was heavily sedated by
• 1:28:56
  doctors she should have Like, you can't.
• 1:29:00
  You can't consent to like activities when you're under the
• 1:29:04
  influence. So I feel like it's highly
• 1:29:07
  unethical for you to be under the influence and consenting to
• 1:29:11
  have a conversation with a police officer, right?
• 1:29:14
  Right. - the prosecution was allowed to bring up a multitude
• 1:29:18
  of inane, details that had absolutely nothing to do.
• 1:29:20
  With the case, the judge allowed it over and over again.
• 1:29:24
  The One Cop Heflin, did tell the truth, he said that he had found
• 1:29:28
  a letter in Carol's pocket that said, help police, don't ignore.
• 1:29:31
  Now, that was the real letter, not the fake one that had been
• 1:29:34
  allowed at Stark weathers trial. Did they like matched of the,
• 1:29:38
  you know, the handwriting? No, in fact, they had like days
• 1:29:43
  worth of arguments over the, the new letter and, and like, when
• 1:29:47
  they brought Carol on the stand, they were like, well, which coat
• 1:29:50
  were you wearing? When you had that letter in your
• 1:29:53
  pocket? And like she didn't remember
• 1:29:55
  that when she had gotten to Gering Nebraska they had given
• 1:29:59
  her a new jacket. Hmm.
• 1:30:01
  Because the first jacket was covered in blood and stuff so
• 1:30:05
  she had switched out of it and that is where Heflin had found
• 1:30:09
  that original note but she didn't remember the blue jacket
• 1:30:11
  because she was drugged The doctors from the institution.
• 1:30:17
  We're also cross-examine Carol took the stand.
• 1:30:19
  They try to trip her up where the big things that should have
• 1:30:22
  meant something to the jury. Is that, like I said, Carol was
• 1:30:25
  never told that she was being extradited from murders.
• 1:30:27
  She signed something. We while she was still drunk.
• 1:30:30
  Pretty much off of the drugs. They put her on.
• 1:30:33
  She didn't know she was being a rain until the day before and
• 1:30:36
  they were questioning her while she was under sedatives.
• 1:30:39
  Also that she had never been offered a lawyer because she had
• 1:30:42
  never been told she was under arrest.
• 1:30:45
  It's pure breaking the Constitution at this point, but
• 1:30:48
  they did not care. People were out for blood.
• 1:30:52
  Pete, the prosecution then which should have never happened is
• 1:30:56
  they brought in Charlie to her trial and he just told blatant
• 1:31:02
  lies on the stand lies that eventually the prosecution was
• 1:31:06
  able to bring when they were trying to get an appeal.
• 1:31:11
  They had another prisoner who overheard him along with two
• 1:31:14
  other people and his cell, his attorneys leading him on what he
• 1:31:19
  should say at Carol's trial, But that that appeal was also denied
• 1:31:25
  later on, come on. Well, the things that I was
• 1:31:28
  overwhelmingly struck buys, I'm not sure that Carol would have
• 1:31:31
  even been charged as an adult in today's world.
• 1:31:35
  She was 14. She was in eighth grade.
• 1:31:38
  And, yes, she, she always fully admitted.
• 1:31:41
  I did what he told me to when he asked me to hold the gun on
• 1:31:44
  somebody. I held the gun on him but she
• 1:31:47
  never not once. And the last 50 years has ever
• 1:31:53
  strayed from her story. Even when they were trying to
• 1:31:56
  trip her up at the hospital, she was like, no, I didn't kill
• 1:32:00
  anybody. But regardless, she was found
• 1:32:07
  guilty, given life in prison. Now, Carol sentence would
• 1:32:11
  eventually be commuted in 1976 when the United States, Supreme
• 1:32:14
  Court ruled that life sentences for minors are unconstitutional.
• 1:32:18
  She was a model prisoner the entire time she was there.
• 1:32:21
  And once it was commuted, she was released in 1976 after 17
• 1:32:25
  years in prison, at the age of 33 years old.
• 1:32:28
  She worked as a janitor and orderly and sometimes a
• 1:32:30
  babysitter until she retired. Carol avoided, almost all media
• 1:32:35
  until 1983 when she went on TV, the TV show called lie, detector
• 1:32:39
  with a very famous attorney named D.
• 1:32:42
  Lee Bailey, her results were inconclusive.
• 1:32:45
  When she said she'd been forced to go with Charlie.
• 1:32:47
  But Bailey ultimately said that the crimes were such a major
• 1:32:51
  part of her life that they would have known.
• 1:32:54
  If she had been outright lying for the first time publicly
• 1:32:58
  Carol received some kind of empathy, she cried on his
• 1:33:02
  shoulder when he read her response.
• 1:33:03
  Old saying she said, you can't know what, it's like to be a
• 1:33:07
  person in history and everybody hates you.
• 1:33:11
  Kara, wanna get married to Frederic Claire in 2007.
• 1:33:15
  They enjoyed six years together. Well, seven years together until
• 1:33:18
  he passed in 2014. When they got in a car, crash
• 1:33:22
  Frederick died. And Carol was seriously injured.
• 1:33:25
  She actually requested an official pardon from Nebraska
• 1:33:28
  originally in 1976, and then again in 2020, but it was denied
• 1:33:34
  both teams both times in 2020. Some of Charles weathers
• 1:33:39
  families, victims supported her request for the pardon.
• 1:33:44
  She means she maintained her innocence for her entire life.
• 1:33:47
  And the pardon was denied because they said the role of a
• 1:33:49
  part is to restore a felons rights, not to absolve you of a
• 1:33:53
  crime and the court assumed correctly, that Carol was
• 1:33:57
  seeking Absolution and a chance to be forgiven and well you
• 1:34:02
  can't really get that from the justice.
• 1:34:03
  Um, Carol is currently 79 years old, she enjoys watching TV
• 1:34:09
  playing slot machines. Some people in Lincoln, Nebraska
• 1:34:12
  still thinking she did it. Carol stepsons who read a lot of
• 1:34:15
  the same trap transcripts in court documents that I did.
• 1:34:18
  Don't believe she was a willing participant.
• 1:34:21
  They stand behind their mom to this day, the debate about her
• 1:34:24
  innocence still rages on, and Carol is just trying to live.
• 1:34:28
  I think they believe she's still in Michigan.
• 1:34:30
  She has no intention to go back to Shh and occasionally.
• 1:34:36
  Like she was, she babysat for a family and one of the women
• 1:34:40
  worked with children and she was like can you tell your story to
• 1:34:44
  these 9th graders? And indeed, she did tell her
• 1:34:49
  cautionary tale, who's scared him straight to the youngsters
• 1:34:52
  about wanting to be grown a little bit too soon and how it
• 1:34:55
  completely altered the trajectory of her life.
• 1:35:00
  One of the few people that Carol And has well.
• 1:35:04
  Now Carol Claire has spoken to is Linda battisti.
• 1:35:10
  Who wrote the book? The Twelfth victim, the
• 1:35:11
  innocence of Carol, the gate and the Starkweather murder Rampage.
• 1:35:16
  If you are someone who checks the bibliographies every week,
• 1:35:21
  There's a lot of books in this one.
• 1:35:23
  Including like I said, I got like, I mean some of the books,
• 1:35:25
  go back to the 70s. Absolutely.
• 1:35:28
  Love that you can request documents from like the national
• 1:35:32
  library and things you gotta give them back but still very
• 1:35:38
  cool. Yeah, that's his story about uh,
• 1:35:44
  Murderous couple as they were called.
• 1:35:46
  I didn't like it like it's all eventually.
• 1:35:56
  Oh my God, I did not like that. One wasn't about, you know,
• 1:36:06
  Wasn't Fred and rosemary West level, and it's true.
• 1:36:09
  That's true, very true. It was just still, I don't know,
• 1:36:13
  I don't know. Yeah.
• 1:36:14
  Carol, never she never leveraged her story for money or anything
• 1:36:18
  like that. She didn't want any attention
• 1:36:19
  about it, of course, but CeCe was one of the few people that
• 1:36:23
  got her to sit down and talk about her life.
• 1:36:27
  She wowed the great great storytelling place.
• 1:36:35
  Greek and jobs. All right, what do you have for
• 1:36:40
  us then? All right.
• 1:36:43
  Brittany. Tommy.
• 1:36:45
  What's your? What's your favorite kind of
• 1:36:47
  horror, genre? I mean, I know like movies.
• 1:36:51
  Yeah, real life. No, no.
• 1:36:53
  Like the movies. Like I know this horror horror.
• 1:37:02
  What's your favorite kind of horror genre?
• 1:37:04
  Oh zombies? Yeah, I know.
• 1:37:08
  I'll watch anything with the zombie in it.
• 1:37:10
  Even the bad ones. It was homies and then you like
• 1:37:13
  some Supernatural stuff, right? Sometimes now that's a lot of
• 1:37:16
  real real ghost stuff. I just watched through the
• 1:37:19
  entire holes or files. I wish there was more of them as
• 1:37:22
  a great show and now I'm watching destination fear, I've
• 1:37:27
  heard of that one. Well, okay, so that's run by.
• 1:37:32
  So that show is by a guy who won a competition that allowed him
• 1:37:37
  to be the camera guy for Ghost Adventures.
• 1:37:40
  And then after his time there, He got his own show.
• 1:37:44
  So he worked with Zak Bagans for a little bit and you know what I
• 1:37:47
  would win a car, I would want to enter like a contest like that
• 1:37:51
  just to be like just to get that exposure and so now he has a
• 1:37:55
  whole show that has like six seasons so I'm watching through
• 1:37:57
  all those Nice Slice, that's awesome.
• 1:38:00
  Okay, well today I'm going to go into detail about like in a very
• 1:38:06
  interesting form of horror that's that's been around for a
• 1:38:11
  few days. Couple years four years, I think
• 1:38:14
  since 2019, maybe even before then like certainly 2015.
• 1:38:19
  Maybe and have you ever heard of something called analog horror?
• 1:38:30
  Analog horror. Yes.
• 1:38:33
  How is it analog? It's like okay.
• 1:38:38
  I'll tell you, I'll explain. Do you mean like do you mean
• 1:38:41
  like I recently watched a movie where people went to a show.
• 1:38:47
  They agreed to sign up for like a horror weekend and be put
• 1:38:51
  through an experience like they were in a horror movie.
• 1:38:56
  Is that analog her? That is, but that horrible house
• 1:39:02
  that was in Tennessee in and that guy had to move it at a
• 1:39:05
  Tennessee where he just like water boards people.
• 1:39:08
  Okay. Exact guy is that analog heart
• 1:39:10
  because I'm not doing that none of that stuff.
• 1:39:12
  I'm not some torturous, nothing like that, it's that guy
• 1:39:15
  tortures people for fun. Yeah.
• 1:39:18
  Like that. Whatever you think you mentioned
• 1:39:20
  before that, the movie like the people got to have a horror
• 1:39:23
  experience. Yes.
• 1:39:26
  Diary, that was a fictional thing, but they like pretty much
• 1:39:28
  like, put that way through hell. Okay, maybe you want to go.
• 1:39:37
  But anyway, I'll tell you about the movie later.
• 1:39:38
  Okay, so so for animal car you mainly see these these types of
• 1:39:43
  videos on YouTube or I've seen like one on Tick Tock and that
• 1:39:51
  was actually pretty good. Oh, I like those cool little
• 1:39:56
  shorties. I love those things.
• 1:39:59
  Maybe, maybe it's from the thinking of the little three
• 1:40:03
  minute horror films or like five minutes films.
• 1:40:05
  Yes, Like there are some that are very good.
• 1:40:08
  Yeah, something like that. So if you haven't seen yes, I
• 1:40:14
  watch Corey Kenshin. Super scary Sunday or whatever
• 1:40:19
  they called, he usually watches a bunch of them that people
• 1:40:21
  submit to him. Okay.
• 1:40:23
  So you probably have seen some of these videos.
• 1:40:26
  Okay. Okay they're great.
• 1:40:29
  I wish in fact that one that involved the lady with the
• 1:40:33
  lights and the thing that kept moving closer to her, Her and
• 1:40:37
  then that that got turned into a real movie.
• 1:40:40
  It did from that three-minute, that would like to many clip.
• 1:40:43
  Yeah, those I think that's dope that like people get the
• 1:40:45
  opportunity to, you know, sell that property and have it become
• 1:40:49
  a real film. It's really great.
• 1:40:53
  So if you haven't seen these videos, I'm talking about
• 1:40:57
  overhanging anybody from a horror Community to all you
• 1:41:01
  people listening, I'm gonna fill you in on it.
• 1:41:05
  I'm tell you a little bit about analog horror and I keep saying
• 1:41:09
  horror because it's hard to say it is hard to say horror horror
• 1:41:22
  I'm just going to talk a little bit about it and give you some
• 1:41:26
  suggestions on what to watch if you're interested in it because
• 1:41:31
  it's like someone some of these videos.
• 1:41:33
  Somebody series just La the Great.
• 1:41:39
  Okay, so let's start off with what analog harder is and this
• 1:41:46
  one Reddit user I was looking on Reddit and this one Reddit user
• 1:41:49
  it. He explains it like perfectly.
• 1:41:51
  And it's, am I still recording? I think I'm sorry.
• 1:41:55
  I see a little red dot. You're good.
• 1:41:57
  Okay, cool. So after your screen, all right,
• 1:42:00
  I just left the page, so I just had to tab.
• 1:42:03
  I have all my tabs open. Oh, so is the tab.
• 1:42:06
  Doesn't close your fine. Okay.
• 1:42:08
  Awesome. Mmm.
• 1:42:10
  And so basically what animal car is it's a it's an immersive
• 1:42:14
  media. So kind of like you said that
• 1:42:16
  movie with the people that she experienced was like a horror
• 1:42:19
  movie. It's immersive media and it's
• 1:42:22
  usually horror media whore me to it.
• 1:42:28
  It involves some sort of like protagonist, right?
• 1:42:31
  So like markimoo His little videos where you clicked in went
• 1:42:35
  for different videos, based on your choices like the choose
• 1:42:37
  your own horror thing like he did.
• 1:42:39
  Yeah. Something like that?
• 1:42:41
  Yeah, something like that. And and like something that that
• 1:42:47
  reacts to situations that like ne'er the narrative, use analog
• 1:42:52
  horror it makes you the protagonist like you yourself or
• 1:42:56
  to protagonist you like that. It means that like you're the
• 1:43:00
  person who has to like connect the pieces.
• 1:43:04
  Like a puzzle adventure and or oh my gosh, tender had one.
• 1:43:12
  I saw that. Yeah you like that?
• 1:43:15
  Yeah I specifically played it because I was like I want to see
• 1:43:18
  who murdered everybody. I made the wrong choice and got
• 1:43:21
  arrested but it was super fun. I was like this was really cool.
• 1:43:25
  I was like it didn't help me at all find a date but it was a
• 1:43:28
  cool experience. Yeah, I did play that.
• 1:43:35
  We need more of those and we really do get that was fun.
• 1:43:40
  But yeah, they gives you like like it just gives you like a
• 1:43:43
  Your Own Adventure, like you said, Choose Your Own Adventure
• 1:43:46
  type of thing. And is it here?
• 1:43:55
  Now, when I first like start watching some of these series, I
• 1:43:58
  was like, so it's basically like, it's basically like, you
• 1:44:01
  know, those found tape movies like Blair, Witch or VHS, okay?
• 1:44:07
  I was going to say, because I hate Paranormal Activity, I
• 1:44:11
  wouldn't even know. No, that's what VHS, lovely
• 1:44:14
  great series. Oh yeah, PHS is really great.
• 1:44:18
  You see the new one? Wait, did we watch the new one?
• 1:44:21
  I think. I'm pretty sure where I watched
• 1:44:23
  it and I watched it. It's on Netflix.
• 1:44:26
  It is You know, what? But with with those stories,
• 1:44:37
  it's already been towed, right? Like okay.
• 1:44:40
  Just you just find a tape, right?
• 1:44:43
  But within little car, it gives you A gives you the story as
• 1:44:50
  your what? I don't know.
• 1:44:52
  How to explain it, like as you interact with it.
• 1:44:53
  No, no. It makes me.
• 1:44:54
  Exactly, exactly. So you're second-guessing
• 1:44:57
  yourself and you're telling me stop that.
• 1:45:02
  It gives you the sense of the sense of like, oh shit, this
• 1:45:05
  could actually like be happening.
• 1:45:06
  Like, this is like this existed. Like he remember when briefly,
• 1:45:10
  when like phone cameras got better?
• 1:45:12
  They were trying to make like augmented reality.
• 1:45:15
  Oh yes. Horror stories on your phone.
• 1:45:17
  That's part of it, too art. Do you have any that actually
• 1:45:20
  worked? Because the ones I remember when
• 1:45:22
  they tried were not very good, no, there's one that actually
• 1:45:25
  worked up with love to play that I remember Terror like sending
• 1:45:29
  me a link to some One of them and I was like this one was like
• 1:45:32
  shit. Because it is like you go
• 1:45:37
  through your house and, you know, the AR is going on and
• 1:45:40
  you're supposed to like hunt for ghosts and stuff like that.
• 1:45:42
  But well now I have seen a short that's about an AR horror, that
• 1:45:47
  becomes real. It was a short clip and then I
• 1:45:50
  also watched a movie about how an AR har clip became real but
• 1:45:55
  so far. No real a are like phone game
• 1:45:59
  that fits. Yeah, no. well yeah, it's like
• 1:46:08
  like I said just put you into it and Videos of animal car.
• 1:46:15
  They do like they do a great job of making the videos look real
• 1:46:19
  enough. Like I'll explain to you later.
• 1:46:22
  But I mean by that make it look real enough but then like
• 1:46:27
  throughout the video starts to deteriorate and it starts to
• 1:46:30
  become like a very, very creepy and unsettling as your as you
• 1:46:34
  keep watching it and it's just like like your skin just starts
• 1:46:41
  crawling, you A little bit. Um, Not in, Lockhart not OS.
• 1:46:49
  My spelling is terrible. Now it look hard does you some
• 1:46:54
  like it does you some found-footage clips, you know?
• 1:46:58
  But it's not like the entire basis of the whole video like
• 1:47:02
  you, you get some like little clips into it but that's about
• 1:47:06
  it. So another great reason as to
• 1:47:11
  why am L car is so scary is because it gives you a nostalgic
• 1:47:19
  feel to it. Okay?
• 1:47:22
  So what I mean by that is, okay I'm going to give you storytime
• 1:47:26
  okay? Oh no before that it gives you
• 1:47:30
  some stuff. Some some of the Inland card
• 1:47:32
  like some of the videos, they They use like, emergency
• 1:47:38
  broadcasting like system type of noise and stuff like that.
• 1:47:42
  Like, as soon as you load the video, you get that beep beep.
• 1:47:46
  Beep that noise. And then it gives you like the
• 1:47:49
  flashes that card of you know, emergency blah blah blah, blah
• 1:47:52
  blah, blah blah, like oh shit. So you like you're used to
• 1:47:55
  seeing something like that. So like in real life so that
• 1:47:58
  kind of like it hits you like is this real?
• 1:48:01
  Am I watching a real video or something like that?
• 1:48:05
  But okay, story time. When I was a kid.
• 1:48:11
  I used to I used to stay up all night right?
• 1:48:15
  Especially do over summer. I stay up all night, drink
• 1:48:17
  Mountain Dew, watch TV. That that was my shit. and, I
• 1:48:31
  would, I would flip to this, like Flickr channels to get to
• 1:48:34
  Cartoon Network because a girl's phone was on there.
• 1:48:36
  Of course and I'm flip past this one channel, that was like a A
• 1:48:45
  public like, you know, a public broadcasting channel and all it
• 1:48:50
  had was like just cards cards of words on it and just they've
• 1:48:54
  just like go by like a freaking was a slideshow or PowerPoint
• 1:48:59
  presentation basically and you know to have some like nice
• 1:49:03
  mellow music playing in the background blah blah blah and it
• 1:49:06
  would tell you like events going on in your community and in our
• 1:49:09
  state of the in our part of the state.
• 1:49:15
  Certain times during this broadcast, this guy would get on
• 1:49:21
  over to speakers. Like he was talking over like
• 1:49:24
  truck radio and just and just say shit on the station and like
• 1:49:34
  I was just remember being creeped out by it because I was
• 1:49:36
  like, okay first of all, this is like very jarring because it was
• 1:49:39
  just mellow music in it. All of a sudden like this guy's
• 1:49:42
  voice, like all staticky coming through Through the speakers
• 1:49:47
  people feet. I'm just thinking of like the
• 1:49:49
  music like that. Oh yes, like elevator music
• 1:49:54
  being on this channel. Yeah there's like a random dude.
• 1:49:57
  Yes, that's exactly what it was like and Okay.
• 1:50:06
  Okay, and in Italy and he would just like pop up and just like
• 1:50:09
  version users and it's like what the fuck is happening and I like
• 1:50:17
  it. This is Mountain Dew doing
• 1:50:19
  something to me. Like it was just a Mountain Dew.
• 1:50:24
  Do you say? And it's just like sleeping in
• 1:50:36
  the basement. Everything is dark and just a TV
• 1:50:39
  on and just like it was very creepy and I did it on purpose
• 1:50:43
  to be creeped out, but it's still got what you asked for
• 1:50:49
  really did. I really did.
• 1:50:53
  Okay, so they now want to go on read it and be like, all right,
• 1:50:57
  folks from central Pennsylvania. Do you remember Channel X and
• 1:51:01
  the weird guy who showed up in the middle of the night?
• 1:51:03
  I bet you if this really happened and it wasn't a figment
• 1:51:06
  of your imagination. Other people will show up.
• 1:51:09
  I swear it was it, it was not, it wasn't a figment, it's
• 1:51:13
  happened and it may, he may just been announcing some shit and I
• 1:51:17
  just didn't understand him because of the way he's bruised
• 1:51:20
  talking like that, but Like, it was real and it happened.
• 1:51:25
  I remember, they anybody for PA Central PA just stayed up all
• 1:51:31
  night. Or, you know this, what about?
• 1:51:33
  What like the late 90s early 2000s their wishes I wasn't I'd
• 1:51:36
  say Let us know if you experience that at all
• 1:51:41
  Millennials. Okay, so, so guess what?
• 1:51:46
  I've been doing in my in my research of analog horror, what
• 1:51:51
  have you been doing? I've been watching videos on
• 1:51:54
  YouTube. I was hoping you would have some
• 1:51:59
  to give us. I got a lot and I put those in
• 1:52:03
  the show notes on the website. Oh definitely I can I'll do
• 1:52:07
  that. But, you know, I've been
• 1:52:11
  watching a lot of these series. And there are a few I'm going to
• 1:52:16
  suggest to you. Okay?
• 1:52:18
  And like I'm going to go well, the first one is like my
• 1:52:22
  favorite one in the second one like anything below.
• 1:52:25
  The first one. It's I like it but it's not my
• 1:52:29
  favorite but it's a really good like Okay, sorry, it's really
• 1:52:36
  good story. I'm trying to think of the word,
• 1:52:38
  okay? So the first one I'm going to
• 1:52:41
  say is it's called a Gemini Home Entertainment.
• 1:52:47
  Like you Google that. Go on YouTube, looking up the
• 1:52:50
  Gemini home entertainment, open up a Word document.
• 1:52:59
  So this is like my favorite one and I'll tell you why.
• 1:53:05
  What the first the first video It's called.
• 1:53:09
  I think it's called weird animals.
• 1:53:12
  Let me see what's it called? Word world of world's weirdest
• 1:53:16
  animals Gemini. Home Entertainment.
• 1:53:24
  Now you're not going to spoil it for everybody or no.
• 1:53:26
  No of course not. No no I don't do that.
• 1:53:29
  Come on now. But now.
• 1:53:32
  So I'm just going to talk about like the first video I watched.
• 1:53:36
  So it's called world's weirdest animals and I think it's they do
• 1:53:43
  another Wisconsin. All right.
• 1:53:45
  It's what the I think that's what it is because it has like
• 1:53:49
  the face that the side profile of a face on like side of the
• 1:53:52
  state exam. Johnson.
• 1:53:57
  So anyway, it shows off like two animals, they're both Birds.
• 1:54:00
  One's a freakin bird that has like tougher feathers at so it
• 1:54:07
  mates. So, you know, it doesn't mean
• 1:54:08
  anything's. The other ones like a cow a
• 1:54:11
  burrowing owl. I don't know what the first
• 1:54:13
  animals called I'm sorry. I don't know if herzberg's coal
• 1:54:15
  but the second was like a burrowing owl and apparently
• 1:54:19
  they burrow in the ground make their nests, they don't use
• 1:54:21
  trees and stuff like that. But the second or the third one,
• 1:54:27
  the third animal is called something like a went, a wood
• 1:54:31
  Walker or would creeper or would stalker type of thing and cool
• 1:54:36
  name. Yeah, so with with each of these
• 1:54:41
  animals, it's showed what part of the state.
• 1:54:43
  It was located at, but for the third one, it said everywhere.
• 1:54:50
  Yeah, yeah. Fun fun, right.
• 1:54:52
  And then If which once you watch this video you'll see why it's
• 1:54:57
  fun because it kind of gets it gets weird at this point and it
• 1:55:02
  turns into like some type of home video type of thing.
• 1:55:07
  Okay, so for at first it was like a documentary, this short
• 1:55:11
  documentary and and documentary. Yeah.
• 1:55:14
  Basically and then it turned into some weird as home homes
• 1:55:22
  home video, right? Okay.
• 1:55:24
  And and basically, there's a cameraman who's stalking outside
• 1:55:29
  of a house like with a camera and he's just looking inside,
• 1:55:34
  just videotaping, what's going on the side and the bird?
• 1:55:38
  He's the bird is something stopped.
• 1:55:44
  Uh-huh. Yeah I'm not going to get too
• 1:55:49
  far into that but um it basically it went into like what
• 1:55:53
  these things were and they were kind of like fake humans or
• 1:55:56
  people things that impersonated humans and stuff like that.
• 1:56:01
  Oh, they're obviously pigeons and they're not real.
• 1:56:04
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:56:05
  Obviously. And it's like the video just
• 1:56:07
  gets creepy after that. And like I watched like the
• 1:56:10
  whole series and it's just like, it's just like not.
• 1:56:13
  Every video is the same and it gives you different information,
• 1:56:17
  excuse me, burp, and and, and And it's just it's just very,
• 1:56:30
  very chilly. It's very chilling because like
• 1:56:35
  I said everybody was different. You don't, you don't get used to
• 1:56:37
  it at all. Second one, it's called local
• 1:56:43
  58. So this one is like one of the
• 1:56:47
  one of the older ones like me back in. 2019, I think local 58.
• 1:56:56
  Now that one is supposedly based out of Mason County West
• 1:57:01
  Virginia And this one is when I say public axes, like TV stuff,
• 1:57:12
  this is what I'm talking about, local 58.
• 1:57:16
  They give warnings like in every freaking video and it can be
• 1:57:25
  from dump. Go outside or stuff about the
• 1:57:29
  moon, don't look at the moon, or I don't know, it's just, it's
• 1:57:38
  just weird because it's like, don't look at the Moon and then
• 1:57:41
  it deteriorates and then somebody like hacks into the
• 1:57:45
  system of like, the public axis and it's like go outside.
• 1:57:49
  Look at the Moon. And then what am I supposed to
• 1:57:53
  do? Do it or don't do it.
• 1:57:58
  Oh my God. But yeah.
• 1:58:01
  Like that's a good. It's a good one too.
• 1:58:03
  If you're just like, it's a good one.
• 1:58:06
  Like, watch these at night, please do that.
• 1:58:08
  Oh my god, do it, do it, do it. So the third one, it's a, it's a
• 1:58:17
  newer one. It was made back in 2021 and if
• 1:58:23
  anybody knows about analog her who've been watching YouTube,
• 1:58:26
  are you watching Markiplier or matpat or Jack?
• 1:58:30
  Except Takei. You've probably heard of this
• 1:58:35
  one already and it's called the meant that Mandela catalog.
• 1:58:38
  I like that one is their ego, their utensils weird.
• 1:58:43
  And it's got like random religious stuff in it.
• 1:58:47
  Not a fan of that one. The first time I haven't heard
• 1:58:50
  of but that's when I've actually seen in, am not a fan of it.
• 1:58:53
  Yeah. So it's weird.
• 1:58:58
  It's weird. Don't like it, you know, like
• 1:58:59
  Britney says it's pretty weird. And some of the First videos you
• 1:59:04
  watch of it. It's it's kind of like a public
• 1:59:09
  access type of thing. There's a couple of them.
• 1:59:12
  Yeah, yeah. Warning you about these these
• 1:59:16
  types of beings called alternates that are basically
• 1:59:20
  like trying to replace humans and stuff like that.
• 1:59:24
  Now there are some like religious images in it and that
• 1:59:27
  kind of like leads into like some of the lore of the story.
• 1:59:35
  Which I'm not going to get too far into, but it's basically
• 1:59:37
  like I don't know. It's kind of like an Invasion of
• 1:59:39
  the Body Snatchers type of. Yeah, I do remember that part.
• 1:59:41
  But yeah that's basically what it is but it's a really, really
• 1:59:46
  creepy creepy videos as creepy serious bump.
• 1:59:51
  I'm pretty sure. We're going like voguing to now
• 1:59:54
  of the there's a lot of them. Yeah yeah and who it's a trip,
• 2:00:01
  it's a trip. Next one, I'm going to talk
• 2:00:06
  about. It's called the Walton files.
• 2:00:08
  Have you heard this one? Yeah, I think so.
• 2:00:10
  Okay. It's I think Matt pads done this
• 2:00:12
  one as well and it's basically like VH like every every one of
• 2:00:18
  these animal carve even talking about, they're all like BHS type
• 2:00:23
  of style, you know, it so deteriorating VHS, you get the
• 2:00:28
  Jaguar. It's kind of like a knockoff of
• 2:00:39
  like Five Nights at Freddy's taper thing and then it's just
• 2:00:49
  this was like the second one I like because it's creepy.
• 2:00:54
  Hmm. It's not like it's not like a
• 2:00:55
  public access one. It's just it's just like creepy.
• 2:00:58
  Imagery is going on like it's like training videos for like
• 2:01:04
  you know, you're you're being introduced to this.
• 2:01:07
  New job is called bonds burgers and the one with the burger
• 2:01:12
  place, whether it's bloody and there's ghosts and stuff, you
• 2:01:15
  play it. There's like one where you
• 2:01:17
  actually play and the burger places haunted?
• 2:01:21
  But the cowl one, right? Yeah, I think I might be
• 2:01:23
  confusing. Something else?
• 2:01:25
  Yeah, that's a diff. That's a game.
• 2:01:26
  That's another game. That's that's a good one though.
• 2:01:29
  But this one that's called bonds burgers and it basically is a
• 2:01:32
  blue rabbit whose Bond based off of Bonnie from Five Nights at
• 2:01:37
  Freddy's, that would explain why matpat was interested in it.
• 2:01:42
  Yeah. And it's just it's if you want
• 2:01:48
  to be creeped out and look at these on YouTube, Look at
• 2:01:54
  creepy, animatronic type of like public type things.
• 2:01:59
  Check this out, check it out, check it out.
• 2:02:03
  Now, last one, last one, it's a really good one, and it's been
• 2:02:06
  around for a while. It's, I think this is.
• 2:02:10
  This is the oldest one. I think it's been around since
• 2:02:12
  2015. And it's cold, mystery flesh.
• 2:02:18
  Pit National Park. Don't do not want either.
• 2:02:22
  Okay? That's a good one like you get
• 2:02:29
  so you get you get videos on YouTube but on Reddit there's a
• 2:02:32
  bigger story like there's so much more to just learn about
• 2:02:35
  this and basically it's a it's in the title of the you know,
• 2:02:43
  it's a mystery flesh pit. That's that's what it is.
• 2:02:48
  It's a big-ass. Pitiful flashback.
• 2:02:54
  It's like I wish I could send you pictures of the poem.
• 2:02:58
  I'm going to sing you like one of like the Flyers because this
• 2:03:04
  one give me this one. So you put it here.
• 2:03:08
  I'm going to put it in the weight.
• 2:03:10
  I put on a chair here. Hold on.
• 2:03:11
  Yeah to the right. You see to the right where it
• 2:03:14
  says Studio. Yeah.
• 2:03:15
  My phone. Right?
• 2:03:16
  Yeah. We have our own chat.
• 2:03:18
  That's awesome Ravens. Private chat.
• 2:03:23
  What? My no.
• 2:03:28
  Wait, doesn't let me send pictures?
• 2:03:32
  no, it does not whatever sending in Discord, but it's a mystery,
• 2:03:38
  it's a big-ass pit of Flesh and it's like a It was once a
• 2:03:45
  tourist attraction. Hmm, But as soon as 20, she
• 2:03:51
  doesn't think it's is a 2007, 2007 or 2017.
• 2:03:56
  One of those whichever ends with a 7.
• 2:04:01
  Rhino, whichever ends with a 7 is.
• 2:04:04
  I'm pretty sure it's 20. 2007, they closed it off mainly
• 2:04:11
  because of what the fuck? Pretty kind of does a people.
• 2:04:17
  Some people, they go there and then like compelled to like
• 2:04:21
  worship this fleshy hole in the ground that had.
• 2:04:27
  Yeah, it's yeah, it's fucking gross.
• 2:04:32
  Um, said you were sending in the Discord where?
• 2:04:35
  Yeah, in my computer being slow, there goes and I'm gonna do the
• 2:04:42
  downloads and worse at it's in here somewhere.
• 2:04:46
  I'm sitting here staring at disquiet, waiting for it to pop
• 2:04:49
  up. I am so sorry.
• 2:04:52
  It's fine. Okay.
• 2:04:57
  Where the fuck is that? Okay, I don't know where it's
• 2:04:59
  at. I saved it, I'ma do it again.
• 2:05:02
  Anyway, I'm gonna be talking about it, it's fine.
• 2:05:04
  You can says me there, okay? Like I said we'll post things to
• 2:05:07
  the So people can see it. And I mean, yeah, absolutely.
• 2:05:15
  And basically, it's like this whole living organism that's in
• 2:05:23
  the ground and it stretches from like some place in West, Texas,
• 2:05:31
  to who the hell knows where Because I don't think anybody
• 2:05:36
  has found like the the exit to it.
• 2:05:39
  So it's it on this one page. It says it's giant less Channel
• 2:05:44
  opening through the Earth epidermis, dermis hypodermis and
• 2:05:49
  more. So there's like, there's so many
• 2:05:54
  and it's like, there are a ton of organs in this flash pit that
• 2:05:59
  does remind me of Five Nights at Freddy's.
• 2:06:02
  Well, the most recent one, Well, the Walton files.
• 2:06:06
  No, I mean spoilers. But if you get to the, I guess,
• 2:06:11
  Canon ending in the newest game, there is a Pile of viscera
• 2:06:19
  beneath the facility. That's flashy and robot pieces.
• 2:06:24
  Oh yeah. No you're talking about.
• 2:06:25
  Yeah, you see it. When you go down there, it's
• 2:06:31
  weird. Any sort of bits of skin and
• 2:06:34
  stuff is I'm out. I feel you on that one, it
• 2:06:41
  definitely do because it's terrible.
• 2:06:43
  Just look at, um, But yeah, like I said, some people were
• 2:06:49
  compelled to worship this. Basically because of what the
• 2:06:52
  flesh, but does to you, they used to hold chores, that people
• 2:06:55
  can actually go inside the flash pit and like, look at things in
• 2:06:59
  the show, like, this is all fake, right?
• 2:07:02
  Oh yeah, absolutely. But it's, you're giving me this
• 2:07:06
  really happened Vibes. I know, I talk about it.
• 2:07:09
  I know. That's what, that's what I'm
• 2:07:11
  trying to do. It's wonderful.
• 2:07:15
  Oh God, but yeah. Yeah.
• 2:07:18
  And that's what these like. That's what in Lahore does here,
• 2:07:22
  though. It like it, they it gives you
• 2:07:24
  like. This is like visual Creepypasta.
• 2:07:27
  Uh-huh. Absolutely.
• 2:07:29
  I like it. When it gets cool.
• 2:07:33
  More Outlets of. You know.
• 2:07:39
  If you go, I swear, if you're going to read it, whoever is
• 2:07:43
  interested in as we ever listen to those dark end of the
• 2:07:45
  podcast. If you go on to read it, look up
• 2:07:51
  mystery blush, fit or analog horror.
• 2:07:55
  It's a subreddit, of course. Yeah.
• 2:07:57
  It sounds interesting. I'd like to find more to look at
• 2:07:59
  oh yeah, definitely. Just just check it out.
• 2:08:02
  It's it's really interesting and it's like something new that a
• 2:08:06
  give you because like nowadays. It's like not as easily.
• 2:08:11
  I want to think about it. Like the movies that come out.
• 2:08:15
  Well yeah a lot of my a lot of my heart friends in my like
• 2:08:18
  groups that I'm in the complaint are like, I'm sort of sick of
• 2:08:21
  seeing Michael Myers kill people every five years.
• 2:08:24
  Exactly. Like I told you so many of us
• 2:08:26
  are interested in international hard because it feels like the
• 2:08:29
  American movie. Yes.
• 2:08:32
  Hollywood. They just want to make a quick
• 2:08:34
  Buck off of a movie. Yes.
• 2:08:36
  And like these these these theories He's even don't like
• 2:08:40
  the videos are short, they are. Long series but they are,
• 2:08:46
  they're really good for what they do and like I said, I
• 2:08:51
  suggest if you want to be scared when it's like you're bored one
• 2:08:54
  night, you're like, let me check out that thing.
• 2:08:56
  Brian was talking about this to be analytic horseshit.
• 2:09:01
  I may have seen some of the videos, like one of them but not
• 2:09:04
  known. It was a full series.
• 2:09:06
  Oh, another one, it's called the back rooms.
• 2:09:08
  I haven't looked into that one, but it's called the back rooms.
• 2:09:14
  There's a game about that one too.
• 2:09:15
  I think, or someone made a game of it.
• 2:09:19
  I love it. Yeah, but sounds good.
• 2:09:21
  Creepy evening. Absolutely.
• 2:09:24
  Well yeah, that's that's basically what I got for today.
• 2:09:29
  I hope you guys enjoyed it. Yeah, if you find yourself
• 2:09:32
  wanting to Spook yourself, Sounds like a good time and
• 2:09:36
  thank you all so much for listening as usual.
• 2:09:38
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• 2:10:01
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• 2:10:04
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• 2:10:07
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• 2:10:09
  live in. This is true.
• 2:10:11
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• 2:10:13
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• 2:10:16
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• 2:10:20
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