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#1544 A Bigger Purpose - Samuel Johnson · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: Good day Tom, it's Harps, it's Melissa, it's Samuel, and
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  Speaker 1: what a fucking day. I'm very excited. Well, I've got
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  Speaker 1: to say something. Is like, firstly, let's say hi to Sam. Hi, Sam, Hi?
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  Speaker 2: What were you saying?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to say this, Hi, melessa, Hi are
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  Speaker 3: you good?
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  Speaker 2: Ah? So good?
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  Speaker 3: Now you know what I'm going to say because I
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  Speaker 3: told you so. I'm a dumb ass. Everyone you know that.
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  Speaker 3: But this is what happens.
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  Speaker 1: So we do a show every day and I'm doing
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  Speaker 1: a PhD and I'm doing corpus, but I do a
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  Speaker 1: lot of shit, right, But and I don't get the guests.
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  Speaker 1: Melissa and Tiff and THEA get the guests. And I
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  Speaker 1: just saw Samuel's name come through, and I went, this
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  Speaker 1: is what I saw Samuel's name, which is of course
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  Speaker 1: Samuel Johnson, but who I pictured in my mind was
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  Speaker 1: Samuel L.
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  Speaker 3: Jackson. I'm like, how the fuck.
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  Speaker 2: Did they get him?
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  Speaker 3: And then I went, oh, no, that's the other dude.
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  Speaker 1: That's oh yeah, So mate, for a moment, you were
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  Speaker 1: a major world, world beating Hollywood block bust a fucking
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  Speaker 1: superstar coming on my show.
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  Speaker 2: I remember in the old days, I had a weekly
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  Speaker 2: job at Fox FFM all of their teasers and trailers
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  Speaker 2: for all of their radio stations all around the country
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  Speaker 2: once a week, and wow, I just went once a
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  Speaker 2: week to have my regular gig there. And the lift
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  Speaker 2: opened and I walked straight into this very tall person
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  Speaker 2: and I looked up and it was Samuel L. Jackson
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  Speaker 2: and he was being looked after by a guy called Bag.
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  Speaker 2: He was the same guy that used to look after me,
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  Speaker 2: Like I knew Bag really well, and so Bag saw
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  Speaker 2: an opportunity there, so he went, oh, oh, Samuel Old Jackson,
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  Speaker 2: Samuel L. Johnson, and thought he was being really funny.
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  Speaker 2: And I went, ah, hi and put my hand out
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  Speaker 2: and shook Samuel L. Jackson's hand and he lent in.
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  Speaker 2: He went yeah, keep trying, and I was like, oh man.
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  Speaker 2: He was like, was he taking the piss? He must
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  Speaker 2: have been taking the piss, because he guess he had
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  Speaker 2: his whole team raiding the match and all that kind
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  Speaker 2: of stuff, and I thought, I think he was taking
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  Speaker 2: the piece. And I looked back to see whether he
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  Speaker 2: was taking the piss just before the lift doors closed,
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  Speaker 2: after the merchant has gotten and he looked at me
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  Speaker 2: and gave me a big wink. He was clearly taking
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  Speaker 2: the piss by saying, yeah, keep trying. He was saying, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what a wink this is. I thought for a second
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  Speaker 2: he was being an asshole, but he was being totally
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  Speaker 2: tank cheek.
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  Speaker 1: Who's the most famous person? Most famous person that you've
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  Speaker 1: had a chat with?
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  Speaker 2: The royal? One of the royals. I can't remember the
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  Speaker 2: name of the royal. It was like it was some
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  Speaker 2: unreal someone famous and and like I went to this
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  Speaker 2: event at Government House and the royals were meant to
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  Speaker 2: be having like they were meant to be having an
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  Speaker 2: hour off all of their official duties with young people.
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  Speaker 2: And I got invited to this thing, and so I
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  Speaker 2: was there with guy Sebastian and we were going, well,
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  Speaker 2: what are we doing here? You know, this is kind
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  Speaker 2: of weird, and that the royal person was allowed to
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  Speaker 2: spend five minutes with everybody in the room and five
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  Speaker 2: minutes only, and they had minders and timekeepers and all
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  Speaker 2: kinds of things. That was their informal get together with
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  Speaker 2: young people. And so I went and hid because I
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to talk to him, because I didn't really
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  Speaker 2: know what to say. And so I went and hid,
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  Speaker 2: and I started looking at all the paintings around the place,
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  Speaker 2: and so I was like three rooms away and security
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  Speaker 2: rushed up to me, and I thought I was in
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  Speaker 2: the wrong area, and they said, no, no, no, the
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  Speaker 2: royal wants to speak to you. He wants to speak
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  Speaker 2: to you personally about what you've done. Can you please
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  Speaker 2: come with me? And so I was made to have
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  Speaker 2: this conversation with this royal. And the first thing he
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  Speaker 2: said to me it was I think, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: it was I think Harry or like it was. It
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  Speaker 2: was a famous, like male.
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  Speaker 3: Royal, You're the worst fucking monarchist in the world. It's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: one of the royals.
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  Speaker 2: And the first thing he said to me was, Jeesu,
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  Speaker 2: your balls must be sore. And I thought, wow, a
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  Speaker 2: royal person just said balls. Because I just finished my
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  Speaker 2: unicycle right around the country. I've spent three hundred and
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  Speaker 2: sixty four days at top of one wheeler and I
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  Speaker 2: had to go to government House and meet this fancy
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  Speaker 2: pants man who wanted to speak to me because of
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  Speaker 2: what I'd done. And so we talked for about ten
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  Speaker 2: minutes about house. All my balls were.
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  Speaker 3: Fuck.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe he was the most famous person. Maybe even
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  Speaker 2: though I don't know his name.
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  Speaker 3: How were your balls after three hundred and sixty four
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  Speaker 3: days of smashing them on one of the one of
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  Speaker 3: those tiny little seats on top of what very tender.
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  Speaker 2: The first hundred and one hundred or so days it
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  Speaker 2: was really painful because my undercarriage broke, and so I
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  Speaker 2: was putting all kinds of cream on and doing all
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  Speaker 2: those kinds of things. And it wasn't until I got
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  Speaker 2: to Darwin, which was after like over one hundred days,
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  Speaker 2: and I met this guy from the army and he said, no,
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  Speaker 2: you no, throw out the creams now. You're not going
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  Speaker 2: to fix it that way. Every time you have a break,
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  Speaker 2: take your pants off, point your ass at the sun,
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  Speaker 2: dry it out. You'll be fine. So for the next
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  Speaker 2: kind of two weeks, whenever I had a scheduled break,
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  Speaker 2: i'd go off into a field and you know, maintain
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  Speaker 2: a modicum of privacy and take my pants off and
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  Speaker 2: point my bum at the sun. And after I did
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  Speaker 2: that for two weeks, my undercarriage dried and it was okay.
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  Speaker 2: Having said that, the pain started in that area, in
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  Speaker 2: the groinal area. The pain started after about twenty seconds,
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  Speaker 2: and I was spending about eight to ten hours a
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  Speaker 2: day on the thing. So my common mancha was, well,
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  Speaker 2: at least it's not cancer. I'm not dying a cancer.
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  Speaker 2: My sister was dying a cancer at the time, and
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  Speaker 2: so so I had that in my head just all
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  Speaker 2: the time, every day, like so, there was no such
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  Speaker 2: thing as sortball. So it was it was kind of
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  Speaker 2: half denialism, and it was it was half really good
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  Speaker 2: reality checking that it wasn't cancer.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the two words to come out of that, kids,
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  Speaker 1: if you're taking notes, are groinal not a word, and
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  Speaker 1: denihalism also not a word. But thanks to Samuel, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to push them out of the literary nest and
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  Speaker 1: they're going to become words out there in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Hey Craig, Hey Craig, Hey Craig, Before you move on,
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  Speaker 2: I've got one for you. I'm ready to shabarkle a shabarkle.
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  Speaker 2: It's a chamozel and a debarcle. It's really bad. It's
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  Speaker 2: a chamozel and a debarkle a shabarkle. I'm really proud
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  Speaker 2: of that.
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  Speaker 1: What if you integrated what if you into those two
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  Speaker 1: with clusterfuck.
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  Speaker 3: I'll let you get back to me on that.
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  Speaker 2: As Sambak or fuck, oh that's funny, mate.
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  Speaker 1: Who does anyone I know people call you Sam? But
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  Speaker 1: does anyone in your family friends circle call you Samuel
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  Speaker 1: these days or what's the.
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  Speaker 2: Years? No, we live in Australia. We shorten everything and
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  Speaker 2: we add o's and stuff. I'd love to be called Samuel,
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  Speaker 2: and Samuel is my preference, and indeed it is my
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  Speaker 2: stage name, but I get called Sam. I used to
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  Speaker 2: keep the difference because if someone yelled out, hey, Samuel,
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  Speaker 2: I knew that they'd seen me on the tally. But
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  Speaker 2: if someone yelled out hey Sam, I knew that they
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  Speaker 2: were a friend.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So that was why I initially liked having a distinction.
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  Speaker 2: I now commonly because we've got about nine hundred thousand
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  Speaker 2: people in our village that hate cancer, and now I
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  Speaker 2: commonly sign. I commonly sign because it's very personalized. I
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  Speaker 2: write a lot to a lot of people, and I
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  Speaker 2: commonly sign it Sam now. So so I suppose I'm
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  Speaker 2: Sam now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I like it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I have not I'm definitely not you, but I have.
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  Speaker 1: There's three levels. So there's Craig Harper, right, and then
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  Speaker 1: there's people around about, you know, people that know me, friends, followers,
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  Speaker 1: listeners call me Harps, and then my family and close
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  Speaker 1: friends call me Craigo. You're exactly right when you say
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  Speaker 1: we shorten it. It's like you can't shorten Craig, so
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  Speaker 1: you've got to whack an o on the end of it,
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  Speaker 1: and you just become greg O. And like, there are
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  Speaker 1: people in my life who have never ever called me
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  Speaker 1: anything but Craigo, and if those people called me Craig
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  Speaker 1: or Harps, it would be completely fucking weird.
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  Speaker 2: Does Melissa get called mel to call you mal? Or
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  Speaker 2: is it a Melissa thing?
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  Speaker 4: I'm not that fussy. Welcome to call me whatever, But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people just assume that it's a mal
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  Speaker 4: So I get mail a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Just what do you prefer?
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  Speaker 4: I really don't have that much.
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  Speaker 2: Of a preference.
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  Speaker 4: Probably Melissa, just because I'm although sometimes it depends who
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  Speaker 4: it's coming from, because sometimes I feel like I'm in
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  Speaker 4: trouble if I get Melissa. So, yeah, don't really have
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  Speaker 4: too much of a preference.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to go.
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  Speaker 2: I call my partner of ten years, my greatest inconvenience,
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  Speaker 2: that's my that's my way of telling her that I
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  Speaker 2: love her, and that would not be funny unless it
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  Speaker 2: was not due at all, Like if she was at
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  Speaker 2: all inconvenient, it wouldn't be funny at all, and it'd
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  Speaker 2: just be an awshole thing to say. But I think
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  Speaker 2: it's important to have. It's important to think about. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: that's not all like call her like we heep adoration
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  Speaker 2: on each other. I don't want you to get the
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: wrong idea. But it's it's funny, isn't it How we
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: can play with language so much and calling call people
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  Speaker 2: so many different things. Like for example, when people say
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  Speaker 2: how are you, there are standard replies like can't complain
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  Speaker 2: or or people can say how I am, and I
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  Speaker 2: can say, oh, well, there's no justifiable course for complaint,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll get a laugh out of that. I get
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  Speaker 2: people more involved by saying the same thing but in
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  Speaker 2: a different way. And it's you know, like I already
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: want to call you Melbow because because I want to
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: be the guy that calls you Melbow. Like it's funny
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: this whole kind of naming and making ship up thing,
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: because I proved, didn't I Craig with the Shabako thing,
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  Speaker 2: that you can do what you want with what you
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  Speaker 2: give one.
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  Speaker 1: I think you know that, especially Australians, we're a bit
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  Speaker 1: loose with words. We're not we're not renowned for our grammar.
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  Speaker 2: We're not renowned for much.
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  Speaker 3: No we're not. We're not, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But but having having that silliness too, and that cheekiness
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  Speaker 1: about it, you know, like you've been through some shit,
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: You've been through lots of shit, and like you know,
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  Speaker 1: and we've never met until today.
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  Speaker 3: But what I love about you.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm pissing in your pocket now, which
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  Speaker 1: is very UnAustralian, but is that, you know, sometimes just
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  Speaker 1: laughing at stuff or laughing at yourself. It doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: you're not feeling, you're not hurting, doesn't mean you're putting
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  Speaker 1: your head in the sand, doesn't mean you're not acknowledging
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  Speaker 1: the shit that's going on. But focusing on and dwelling
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  Speaker 1: in the negativity rather than saying, all right, well, I
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  Speaker 1: know what's going on, this is not good, this is bad.
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  Speaker 1: What can I do? What can I do about it?
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  Speaker 1: Or what can I do to help that person? Or
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: what can I do to help myself? Like I think
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: Ozzie's are pretty good at that kind of dragging others
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  Speaker 1: up and dragging ourselves up when we want to or when.
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  Speaker 2: We we're also very good at told Poppy, but is
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  Speaker 2: important for all of us, especially during adversity. When my
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  Speaker 2: sister was dying, I kept going, come on, hurry up,
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  Speaker 2: it's been seven years, he said, six months, six to
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  Speaker 2: twelve months, seven years ago. You've got like my time's important,
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  Speaker 2: like like completely take the this out of her dying.
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  Speaker 2: And then when the Governor General comes to her to
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  Speaker 2: her palliative care center posthumously, and my sister wasn't going
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: to make it to Australia days. So the Governor General
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  Speaker 2: drove himself to my sister's palliative care place and gave
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  Speaker 2: her a medal of the Order of Australia and get
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  Speaker 2: this for her services to research, which is fine, but
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  Speaker 2: wait this at the end and humanity. So as soon
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  Speaker 2: as the Honorable Sir Peter Cosgrove left us, we cracked
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  Speaker 2: up and we thought, oh geez, hasn't she got up
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  Speaker 2: in the world. Oh humanity, not just cancer research, but humanity.
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  Speaker 2: And then my sister kind of leaned back her head
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  Speaker 2: as much as she could and she said for services
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  Speaker 2: to research and humanity this royal wave and we laughed
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  Speaker 2: and we made jokes about humanitan and how grand it
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  Speaker 2: all was, and then she closed her eyes and she died,
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  Speaker 2: and we had an absolute rainbow there towards the end.
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  Speaker 2: I suppose. I think humor plays a valuable role no
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: matter where we at in life. And it's great if
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  Speaker 2: you feel naturally light and funny and you're having a
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  Speaker 2: good day, that's great. But learning how to laugh when
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  Speaker 2: someone's dying, I've heard, you know. I remember when my
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  Speaker 2: girlfriend committed suicide. I remember, I remember her mum got
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  Speaker 2: really paranoid about her other two kids. I was going
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  Speaker 2: to take them swimming in a lake, and commonly one
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  Speaker 2: CHILDI year dies at that lake. There are mindshafts at
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: the bottom of it. It gets very cold. Professional swimmers
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: have been taken by this lake. This is a real danger.
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  Speaker 2: And so mum was really really anxious that she'd loosen
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  Speaker 2: another child because she just lost her daughter. I was
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: the daughter's boyfriend, and she kept carrying on about how
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  Speaker 2: I can't even blink, like I can't even turn my back.
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: Got to watch them the whole and after about ten minutes,
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  Speaker 2: I said, don't worry, Kim, I won't kill anymore of
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  Speaker 2: your kids, and she just and she went, you didn't
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  Speaker 2: just say that, I said, I went, I fucking did.
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  Speaker 2: I just said that, Oh my god, And we had
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  Speaker 2: a big laugh about it. Now, obviously it's something you
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  Speaker 2: can't say, and she chose to laugh about it, thankfully.
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  Speaker 2: And humor can be misused, and someone like me then
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: could try to be funny at a time where humor
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  Speaker 2: is not acceptable. But I have heard lots of stories
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  Speaker 2: from lots of people. Because I've personally digested over one
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  Speaker 2: hundred thousand cancer stories, I've heard a lot of stories
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  Speaker 2: about people that rely very heavily on their sense of
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: humor during dark times.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the thing, mate, There's see. The thing is
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  Speaker 1: that what one person will find funny, someone else will
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: find curious, someone else will find offensive someone else you know.
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  Speaker 1: But there's that, there's this thing that you have. Like
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  Speaker 1: I've watched a fair bit of you and heard a
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: fair bit of you, and I watched today, which is silly,
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: but I watched today that interview that you did with
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  Speaker 1: Pete Hellier last year on the project, and I watched
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: it about three or four times in a row, and
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  Speaker 1: I just thought, like, you are, You've got this high
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: level of social and emotional intelligence and situational awareness. You've
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: got this fucking brilliant timing, Like you said things to
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Pete Hellier that if it was another interviewer talking about
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: the same stuff for the same show, but another person,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't have said those things. Now, clearly he's a
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: dick ed like you, So it's okay you can say
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: dick ed things right, And I mean that in a
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: loving way, but.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: I chose very carefully. That was my first media chat
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: after a serious brain injury, and so the last thing
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: that all the doctors and experts wanted was for me
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: to seem like I hadn't recovered when I went public.
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  Speaker 2: So it was very careful, very carefully managed appearance, and
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  Speaker 2: I chose Pete Hallier to talk to, even though Carrie
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: big Moore was much closer to our charity and much
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  Speaker 2: closer to me and my sister. I needed the right
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  Speaker 2: person to talk to at that time because Carrie would
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  Speaker 2: have been earnest and worried about her friend that had
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: an injury, whereas Pete could be curious about it and
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: pull out a gag. And as my sister always said,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: we vanquished cancer with joy, so we're kind of we're
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: serially positive, but that doesn't mean that we don't take
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: the piece pretty hard. And it is very important in
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: moments like that because there was a lot of paranoia
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: about going public to early, which Molly Meldrim did with
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: his brain injury. He did interviews well before he was
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: able to do them, and it was very important that
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: people still wanted to hire me for work after I
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: talked about it. So I had a conversation with Pete
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: for a number of specific reasons, but I ended up
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: doing his family Feud podcasts and lost my shit completely.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Had a giggle fit that lasted maybe five minutes. Like
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, life's too short not
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: to take the pisce and we've got to like it's
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: not deliberate, but every day, like is there to be
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: filled with laughter if we know how to find it,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: and if we don't get bogged down by detail, and
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: if we don't take everything really personally, and if we
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  Speaker 2: control our emotions, and if we do a number of
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: things and to manage ourselves properly, we can we can
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: end up at the point where we can take the
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  Speaker 2: pierce and have a laugh. Because I'm not stressed about
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: my marriage at home because it's not stressful, and we
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: can take the piece and have a laugh. Because that
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: mistake that I made earlier today I have forgiven myself,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: for I no longer carry around a basket full of
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: whips and self flagellate whenever I make a mistake. Now
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I make a mistake, I learned from it and I
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: move on. So that's why I think a bit more
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: keen on laughter. As you get older is as you
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: get better at stuff, at that life stuff. It leaves
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: you more room to take the piss. It also helps
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: when you get older. Have you noticed this? People don't
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: give a.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Buck, mate.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: They don't care. They don't care at all.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: So you go from being really earnest in your twenties
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: and you care about everything, and you think you matter,
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: and there's some kind of status system and you belong
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: somewhere and you're looking for fucking some kind of fairy
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: tale romance and you're traveling the way you've got no
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: and then by the time you're my age on forty five.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: You kind of don't care anymore. I'm not saying I
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: don't care anymore, but you know what I mean.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: But I think you know going through the shit that
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: you've been through it. Before I say that, I want
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: to say one other thing that I was thinking about
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: from a neuroscience point of view, Like you're saying on
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: laughter is therapeutic, and it's but it literally is.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Though that's not.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Even a figure of speech or an idea like laughter,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: fun joy, Happiness changes the biochemistry of your brain, changes
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: your immune system, changes your emotions, like changes the way
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: that you think and socialize and process the world. And
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: you know, so like some silliness and some laughter and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: some bullshit and some irreverence you know obviously right place
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: person time, all of that, but it is it's not
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: metaphorically good for you. It's fucking literally good for your
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: body and your recovery.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: But literally.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: But then, Craig, you've got humor that you think is
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: funny that actually just demotes and denigrates people, And you
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: think you're just having a laugh and you think you're
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: just being light and but you're in fact burying someone
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: else in the process. So you've got to be careful
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: because humor, just like everything else, can be a weapon.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: So so like there are things that I find funny
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: that were funny in my generation when I was growing
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: up that are completely not allowed to be funny.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Now, yeah, true, completely true.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: So your sense of humor has to grow with the
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: times so that I don't end up with my nephews
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: who are in their twenties, so that they can still
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: relate to me and I can still relate to them,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: because I don't want to end up that old person
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: that is stuck fifty years ago that still thinks it's
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: okay to pinchy secretary on the bum or whatever.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Good, no, good point, valid point, you're honor.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is it's context dependent too, and it
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: is you know, you're right, the stuff that we used
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: to laugh at, some stuff can't. Now some stuff is
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: funny when you're in a certain situation, but not in others.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: But but being able to create joy, you know, consciously,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: but realize that there's actually a therapeutic benefit to that,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: not just a feel good momentary thing. All right, So,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: speaking of your brain and your accident, how's your brain?
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: My brain's fully recovered. So seventeen months ago, I was
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: a pedestrian. There was a car didn't go very well
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: at all, hit my head. There's eleven days I'll never
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: remember because I got pta post traumatic amnesia. It didn't
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: get banks, never got banked. I don't know what happened,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: but I do remember coming out of PTA, which is
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: a very loopy time. I think they should set a
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: TV show or something in a PTA ward. The nurses say,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: what happens in PTA stays in PTA. You commonly get
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: your phone confiscated because you call the police because you
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: think you've been kidnapped and you require immediate rescue. The
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: lights and everything's dimmed because you're very sensitive to everything.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Wasn't alone. Apparently this is really common. I thought I
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: was in a donut factory and they were all donut tears,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: and they were trying to turn me into a donut.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Because the MRI machine is circular, and it's quite common
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: for brain injury patients to go into the mr I
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: room and think they're being turned into a donut. It's
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: really common. The nurses were like, ah, it's another donut guy.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: My MRI I said limited study due to patient aggression.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: It took three days to get an MRI from me
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: because I was convinced they were turning me into a donut.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: So it kind of I had a heavy Russian accent
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: for a day and a half. I was a small
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Japanese child aged eleven for about two and a half days.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to condense it all into one so basically
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: really quickly. So basically, you go through this really loopy
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: period and then you make a long recovery with a
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: lot of rehab and a lot of doctors. I spent
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: seven weeks, seven and a half weeks inside hospital. Then
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I spent three months at my sister's house because she
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: was central enough to the hospital, and I finally got
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: home after like four or five months. I finally got
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: home and I had my last medical appointment about a
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: month ago.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Wow do you have Firstly, how are the Russian days?
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Did you enjoy those?
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I reversed, engineered everything. It made sense. There was a
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: mate I had called Juzzy, and we used to joke
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: about a purple penis in a Russian accent for like
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: six months when we were like nineteen. I could totally
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: remember when I had this heavy Russian accent for six months.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: When I was eleven, I went to Japan as part
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: of the Asian Pacific Children's Peace Convention. In my brain injury,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I was an eleven year old Japanese girl and Now,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: admittedly I was an eleven year old Australian boy who
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: visited Japan when I was eleven, but I could reverse
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: engineer everything so that all of the loopiness kind of
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: made sense. It was just obviously my brain was still
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: working everything out.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: And apparently your family greatly enjoyed that period of time
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: and still reflect on it. The amnesia days.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I got away with it because my partner, my missus,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: she was there the whole time, so she's traumatized by
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: but she can't talk to me about it because I
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: can't remember it. And so there's what the medical world
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: says is the golden hour, the hour after your injury.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: To get good treatment at a hospital within an hour
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: of having a serious injury is really important. They call
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: it the golden hour. I'll never know what my missus did,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: but she got praised for making that golden hour truly golden.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: She answered every question very clearly. She didn't cost the
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: medics any time, she didn't let anxieties or fears or
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: emotions affect anything. She was very calm in a crisis,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: whereas I, you know that fight or freeze or thing like,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I'll run, it's really scary like and I won't understand
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: what question they asked me, like, I will just fall
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: to pieces in a similar crisis. So there's an eleven
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: day period that I'm sad that my partner had to
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: go through, and that I'm glad that I didn't have
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: to go through.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: What did they do? You remember what?
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they gave odds, but I'm in
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: bottom line it Did they think you would live or
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: not live?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: No? No, they thought I was I was going to die.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: So my family got put into the dying room. So
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: there's they give more privacy to families that are probably
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: going to get the bad news. So because we've been
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: in the dying room before with my sister's cancer, my
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: sister and my partner knew what the dying room was.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: So they got taken to a private room with a
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: fridge and a television and a sofa to sit on.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: And that was when they told that that They were
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: told that I was tanking in emergency, that I arrived
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: quite well and was going downhill fast. And it was
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: a classic near death experience because many of the medics
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: didn't think I'd make it through the night. I was
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: touch and go. So it was a true near death.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Experience, and your brain would correct me if I'm wrong,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: But your brain was somewhat protected because you shielded your
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: brain with your face. So your face took Yeah, so
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: your face took the brunt, and you broke your skull.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: You broke your face, and you've got fractures in your.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Neck right right. And they found like the ground, glass
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: in my lungs, which is how I knew my face
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: must have protected my head somewhat because obviously a face
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: planted a windscreen if they found glass inside my lungs. So,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: and my right side was pretty cactus so i'd clearly,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know what happened, I'd clearly borne the brunt.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: So now, so that's the accident side, and this side's
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: pretty okay.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: So philosophical question, mate, how, if any like, how has it?
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it has, But how has it changed the
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: way that you think or the way that you express
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: or love or connect with others or your like your worldview?
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: How has it changed you?
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: It's changed me in a number of ways. I'm going
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: to keep it really sure. It's made me more grateful
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: for today. And I was grateful for today before the accident,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: and I didn't think that that could be bettered. It was.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: It made me calm. I was less anxious, less worried
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: about being late, less concerned over trivialities or small things,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: stopped fighting with my partner, entirely, changed enough to the
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: point where people who are close to me have said
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: to me, what the fuck happened to you? Like like
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of so I was really highly strungt now
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I'm just energetic. Like it's pressure and stress and anxiety
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: and depression and drug use. And you know, this diagnosis
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: of bipolar because my mum committed suicide, so that thought
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I might have that it all kind of built up,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: and this showbiz thing and then having heaps of money,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: it all kind of contributed towards making me pretty fucked up.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: And then I slowly started to address everything. I went
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: and saw a dragon alcohol counselor, I went and saw
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: a psych. I went and did a couple of different
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: charity things. Before love Sis, I was a volunteer on
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: the Open Family Youth bus every second Friday. So I
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: started doing things that I knew would be good for
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: me because it was a constant fight with the devil
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: of base hedonism. And then gradually gradually over the course
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: of two two and a half decades. I managed to
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: get to this point, but the accident accelerated my progress.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: So I had already done the work. I didn't have
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: an accident, and then I was magically different. But there
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: are a lot of things that are at different levels
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: since the accident that markedly like I've been stressed out
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: twice since the accident seventeen months ago, once about being
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: late for an appointment I didn't realize I had, and
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: once about being in the wrong lane and worrying about
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: oncoming traffic. And I checked that anger or that frustration
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: or that exasperation. That was a real spike in everything.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I dealt with that really well. So normally, historically that
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: would have been enough to send me on a spiral downward.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Now it's a rare occurrence and I deal with it
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: quickly and I'll move on.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Is it when you're like you said, you.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Like all your TV stuff, movies, stage stuff, your broad
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: massive profile around, doing all the great charity fundraising stuff,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: philanthropic stuff, like you know most Australians know you like
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: you live in a country of twenty five million people,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: and probably twenty million.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: People know who you are. They might not know you well,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: but they know your name. They know you right. And
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: like you.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Said, high profile, lots of dough, lots of good shit
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: going on, lots of people love you, lots of people
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: want to talk to you, hang around you, stroke your ego,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: tell you fucking.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Awesome and all of that. Is it hard in the
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: middle of all of that to not be a dickhead?
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: No, because people who get swept up in that kind
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: of stuff tend not to survive in that industry. So
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: in twenty five years in showbiz, I only really met
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: two cockheads, and apart from that they are a really,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: really good people. So the use of drugs and alcohol
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: in showbiz is much much lower than the use of
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: drugs and alcohol are in trades, for example. So if
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: you want to talk about dysfunction and drugs and alcohol
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: and that kind of scene, you'd probably be more interested
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: in having a conversation with someone that's on a work site.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: It's a very professional environment and kids on home and
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: away might do a bit of blowing the toilets at
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: the logis, but it's not a good look. It's it's
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: really not a good look. I'm not saying that it
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: doesn't happen. But I don't think it's particularly rampant compared
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: to some other industries, and I think it suffers a
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: little reputationally because the people that do have a slide
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: or a slip like. For example, I'll use myself as
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: an example. I was a thug for many years because
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: at a casino a guy had done something to my girlfriend.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I told him he couldn't do it. He put me
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: down three times. I ended up going right, I've been
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: put down three times. I've got to do something. I
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: got the guy down. I stomped him in the head.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: You do not stomp people in the head. You do
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: not hit a person when they are down. You do
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I was a thug for ten years because of that.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: You know, you are nothing but a measure of how
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: you respond to the mistakes that you make. And I'm
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: in a constant battle, as I said before, with the
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: base hedonism to try not to become that person. So
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of what I've done in terms of my
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: community work is so that I'm not an asshole. Because
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: if I didn't concentrate and work really hard on the
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: community stuff, I don't trust that i'd make the right
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: decisions and I don't trust that i'd be the kind
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: of citizen that you'd be happy to have on your podcast.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that, mate.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I mean for me, that's kind of having That's part
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: of the having a purpose bigger than yourself and a
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: focus bigger than yourself, you know, which is what you've
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: done for very long. We did have We have had
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: a We have had a man on a couple of
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: times whose first name is Axel and second seconds and
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: the second name is Whitehead, who did make a public
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: mistake and it's well known and we spoke about him
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: getting his wizzer out at the ARIA Awards or something.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Well that didn't that didn't give his career any kind
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: of positive boost. But you know, he said, I grew
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: up in the country and I was pissed, and I'm like, Yep,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: probably shouldn't have done it.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Though he's like, Yep, definitely should have. But he's going
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: all right now. But I think it took him a
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: good ten years to turn that around.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I got filmed on a balcony having sex with a
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: stripper Tuesday Times. Inside, I was rather flash that it
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: wasn't the greatest moment, and it was about dawn. I've
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: been up all night. I've been on a lot of
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: stuff too. It was New Year's Eve and I got
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: filmed on the balcony in a very compromising position, not
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: flattering at all, and that got put on the internet
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: in the early days of the internet, and I rang
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: up my best friend. My best friend rang up me
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: and said, oh, I've seen this video. I was young,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I had a girlfriend at home, and I obviously made
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: a huge error. And my best friend said she had
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: handled everything up until that point. She said, yeah, even
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: I couldn't watch it like it was that bad. It
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: was that bad. So you know, like I've just talked
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: about two moments that are completely bad. There was the
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: fight that I got into at the casino with that guy.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: There was that stripper on that balcony. In the early
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: days and for years, when I did an interview on radio,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: the computer would light up and they'd read what the
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: listeners said to me, and it was, come and get
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: this thug off air. Why have you got him on
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: our radio station? You know? Like, and now I'm a
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: popular cancer boy like it, just like I don't really
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: care what anyone thinks of me. I'm just doing my
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: best and I make a lot of mistakes and I
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: try and learn from them. And if people are going
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: to call me a thug because I kicked a guy
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: in the head in the casino once, well they weren't
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: there and they don't know what he did. So really,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: and if people want to think that I'm a really
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: good brother of the year fucking cancer Vanquisher, then that's
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: simplistic too, because they're ignoring the mistakes and the shitty
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: things that I've done as well. And that's why I
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: think it's important to have role models, not idols.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Definitely, can I ask when when did you stop? I
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: don't like this term, but clean and cyber like, when
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: was the last time you.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Used or boozed?
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: So so my dragon alcohol counselor called me a poly user,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: so as we know, that means I used everything, So
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I wasn't addicted to one thing. I just used everything.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: So I've been dealing with that my whole life. I'm
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: not going to I'm not going to peddle some redemptive narrative.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think life is that simple, and I don't
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: think there are neat little bows to these things, and
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think I don't believe in closure, and I
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: don't think. I don't think you went from one to
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the other. And I know people that would say that
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: your storyline isn't redemptive at all, so who have had
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: firsthand experience with said problem. So you know how alcoholics say,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: you know, I haven't had a drink for two hundred days,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: but I'm an apology. It's like I'm I started with
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: harmonimization and a lot of therapy, and I'm very pleased
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: with my usage now. It's very, very occasional and very
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: social and not even a blip on the radar. I'm
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: not worried about it at all. It took me a
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: long time to do that, a lot of efforts. I
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: remember my girlfriend fifteen years ago. Her name was Sarah.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: You know, every time I went past a BWS, it
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: stood for be with Sarah, be with Sarah, be with Sarah.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: If I went in there and I grabbed a fucking
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: roll out of Jim beamcans, I couldn't be with Sarah.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Her parents were alcoholic. She didn't need another alcoholic in
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: the house. She had a child in that house. I
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: had to behave. So, you know, it's something that I
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: used to focus on very intently and something that I
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: fortunately I don't have to focus on. Now.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good for you man. Well, if you're in control,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: it's not in control. That's a good thing.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, tell us give us some an insight into the
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: lovely Uh look at you niggering.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: She's automatically going to be really pissed off because she's
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: lived in the shadow. It's quite happily for ten years.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: In fact, she hasn't allowed me to talk about her
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: at all. So it's not that I'm hiding the fact
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: that I've had a girlfriend. It's just that she doesn't
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: like it at all. So she takes when we do fundraisers,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: she's behind the camera and she takes photos of us
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: out of respect. I'm going to say very little about
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: her because that is what I believe she would prefer.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: But what I will say is that is that I
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: don't think that I've met a bigger EmPATH. Oh wow, wow,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I know who comes second, and
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: there's there's a big margin between them. I mean, some
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: people are compassionate and caring and some people are very
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know whether to say empathetic or empathic. I
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: don't know what's correct, But she cares for people. She
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: taught me so much about how to care properly, and
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: I call it in my head, I call it practical
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: caring because because you can, you can think someone's a
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: legend and they cannot know that. You have to learn
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: how to demonstrate your care as well, and she has
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: that down to a fine art. And her heart gets
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: broken at the smallest of things, and I think that's
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: that's part of the price that a true EmPATH pays.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Did she without a stop talking about her after this?
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: But just one curiosity after your accident, did she have
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: PTSD or.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: A version of it? You know that must have been
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: bloody because she saw what you didn't see.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, I've given her numbers of counselors to speak
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: to that are separate to me, because it's recommended that
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: she doesn't talk to me about it, because I'm not
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: the best person for her to talk about it, and
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: this whole hat before she calls that number. So she
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: she carries around a lot of her demons privately, and
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: she's not interested in sharing her trauma because she doesn't
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: want to make anything harder for other people, because she's
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: truly empathic. So I don't think she's doing herself the
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: world of good, because you know how Atlas carries the
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: whole world on his shoulder, like it's I think. I
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: think some empaths end up doing that, and they end
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: up they end up tired and sore and broken because
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: they forgot to care for themselves. But they refuse to
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: care for themselves because other people are so much more
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: important to them. So it's it's so all you can
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: do is is admire and love people like that, because
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: they're always going to carry kilograms differently to the way
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: that you carry them. I'm quite good at carrying Makilo's
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: i've got fuck or baggage. It's great, But I imagine
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: that she's the up.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, God bless her. Hey, just before we let
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: you go, mate, so what are you doing now?
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: What are you up to? What's on the work schedule?
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: What's what's exciting you? What's lighting you up? What are
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: we going to see?
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: You do?
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Be creating the future?
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to keep this real quick A promise.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: No, I may take your time. We fucking love you.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I've already taken too much of your time. Okay, So
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: when my sister got sick ten years ago. We put
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: her on the traditional treatment. It's the way we treat cancer.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: We put them on the drug most likely to work.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: But it takes three months of administering that drug before
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: we can see how effective it is, before we can
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: see whether it's having any demonstrable effect on the size
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: of the tumor. If it's not working, we call it
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: a false line of treatment after three months, and we
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: move on to the drug next most likely to succeed.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: In my sister's case, the first line of treatment failed,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: the second line of treatment failed, the third line of
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: treatment failed, and on her fourth line of treatment we
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: found the right drug, but it was too late by then.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Now I rend Treasury, Do you think they could tell
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: me how much we spend on false lines of medicine?
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: No?
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: No, they couldn't tell me. So precision medicine and the
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: whole world's moving towards this, not just for cancer. The
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: proof of concept is well and truly past us. Precision medicine.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: It's a genomic thing. We start treating the cancer instead
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: of the patient. I don't care whether your cancers in
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: your breast or your testicles, I really don't care where
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: it is it's no longer specific, so the nature of
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: research now is non specific. So all of those colored
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: ribbons don't mean much to scientists and researchers now. Now,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: if we had taken a tissue sample of my sister's
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: cancer when she was diagnosed and tested it in a
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: petri dish with all the drugs that we have for it,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: we could have put her on the right drug first
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: time every time, saving US squillions of dollars on money
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: on medicines that don't work, and saving lives like my sisters.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: It's called precision medicine. The whole world's moving towards it,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: not just for cancer. Our rollout for it in Australia
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: is painfully slow. The government suggests that by twenty thirty
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: they might have thirty thousand people to get this. I
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: was told by someone in the know recently we've got
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: a different kind of belief system that we would not
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: get all of our cancer patients genetically mapped in my lifetime. No,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I say bullshit, I say bullocks, and I say bulld us.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: You watch us. So rather than wait another ten years
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: for precision medicine, because my sister should have received it
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: ten years ago and didn't and if you get it now,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: you're still still not going to get off of it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: So if you're rich and you know the right people,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: you'll probably get it. But I've decided that I'm not
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: going to wait another ten years for it, and that
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to roll it out myself. So I'm
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: no longer a compliant little cancer funder. I'm the first
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: ten towns have been decided. I've teamed up with a
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: really really smart guy called David, I'mic Garvin, etc. That
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: they know exactly how to roll this out. There's much
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: smarter than me, But I dug a huge ole. I've
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: dug them before too, but maybe none of this. I
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: need to take Love his Sister from one point five
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: million a year to a million a month yesterday. So
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: to play my part in this roleout, so I've abandoned
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: my touring model completely. I no longer visit, you know,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: hundreds of schools and hundreds of towns, and I focus
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: specifically on getting businesses to hold hands with the thousands
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: and thousands of individuals that I've got that support this
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: right now and to help us at this very time
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: with this very rollout. And it's early days the campaign
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: officially launches him much, but I've already got a bunch
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: of signups, a lot of interest from businesses. Businesses are
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: very happy to step in and help at this point.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: So it's a long answer to a short question. I'm
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: abandoning my model of the last ten years entirely because
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: I need to get to a million a month, not
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: one point five million a year. I'm relying on businesses
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: to help me get there. If there's anyone listening that
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: thinks their business can contribute, I suggest that they email
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: me personally, Samuel at Love your Sister dot org. Samuel
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: with an E at Love your Sister dot Org. Email
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: me your phone number. I'll call you. We'll sort it out.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: So it's called Sam's one thousand, and it's it's not Maybe.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I'll try to make this work next year. This will
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: work next year. It has to work. It will happen,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: and you'll see me go public, go sixty minutes on
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: it once. Once I know it's real. I need to
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: have a lot more of this pyramid belt before I
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: go public. Public within in terms of the sixty minute public.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: So if there are anyone listening that thinks their business
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: can help, email me your phone number and I'll call
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: you back.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: You're the best.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: You make me feel like a fucking lazy, fraudulent, underachieving,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: fucking want to be.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: You know great, You forget You forgot that I just
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: do this shit because if I didn't it would be
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: worth Come.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: On you all right, Hey, you're the best. We appreciate you.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Will say goodbye a fair mate, but thank you for
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: taking an hour out of your day. You're a superstar.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Congratulations on all the work you did. You've raised over
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: thirteen million dollars so far for research. Congrats on your
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: recovery and your mindset and everything like you. I know
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: you don't like people pissing in your pocket, but you're
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: an inspiration.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: You're a good dude.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: You're a fucking knock about bloke and you know people,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: you're the bloke that everyone would want. Everybody wishes you
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: were their mate because you're just a good dude.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Yourself aware.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got friends, so that's funny.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: You know, you're aware of your faults and flaws. You
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: know what you do well, you know what you do bad.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: You're practical, you're realistic.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: But we'll say bye, are fair butt. Thank you mate,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: Samuel thank you, Samuel L. Jackson, Samuel L. Jackson, thanks
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: for being on the show.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll keep trying, right so yah