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All right, everybody, welcome to this installment of Opposition Territory here at the
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Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast show in
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the world, over ten years strong. We got a great discussion coming your
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way here on Opposition Territory. There is one team I think that is going
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to be fascinating to watching the NFL this coming season, and that is the
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Green Bay Packers. There are a lot of storylines about this team, of
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course, yes, the quarterback position, what's gonna be happening with that?
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That gentleman mister Love, what is going to be happening with him? We're
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certainly going to be getting into to it on this particular Opposition Territory podcast.
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So let's get to our discussion about the Green Bay Packers right now. It
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is great to have back on the podcast to get into this Green Bay Packers
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team coming to us from Acne Packing Company sp Nation site that specifically follows and
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reports on the Green Bay Packers. We absolutely love having them on. Last
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time was before our pregame podcast show last year Eagles Packers, and we're certainly
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going to get into that a little bit. We've got Evan text Western how
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are you doing texts? Hey, dude, I'm great. It's it's that
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dead period the middle of the summer. Yeah, fighting my time waiting for
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training camp gets get starting a couple of weeks, so ready to get going.
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Absolutely, it's that time too where I follow various Eagles writers, of
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course, being that we're a Philly sports podcast, and it's just the God
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bless you guys with regard to the content that you're trying to put out to
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the masses. Having a grass at straws here and there. I give you
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all the credit of the world. My man, Well, I appreciate it.
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And yeah, this time of year is a little always a little slow,
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but yeah, we're about to dive into kind of doing We always do
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a pre training camp fifty three man roster predictions, so that's going to start
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coming out next week and then and m guys like to say, in this
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kind of quiet period, look back at last season and pick out our ten
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favorite plays of the previous season. Nice. So we're gonna be starting that
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countdown next week as well. So I got to find a little way to,
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you know, to kill those last two weeks before the Packers shareholder meeting
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starts on me. That's on Monday to twenty fourth and two days later a
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practice. Alright, very good, Yeah, very good again, folks.
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ACME Packing Company dot Com at texts Western is where you can find Evan on
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Twitter here, and like, let's get let's get into the discussion some offseason
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storylines here, because I remember the last time we spoke, as I mentioned,
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you know, we were heading into Week twelve of last year's NFL season,
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right before the Packers were slated to play the Eagles at the link.
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We had a great conversation then, But a lot has changed for the Packers
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since that week and that particular game. Of course, Evan, we all
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know that losing Aaron Rodgers, of course, and what the quarterback situation looks
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like moving forward is probably the biggest storyline for the Packers and the fan base
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heading into this coming season, of course. But aside from that, what's
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another top storyline that US football fans, us, you know, uber football
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fans should really be keeping our eyes on with regard to the Green Bay Packers.
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And why yeah, I think the other big thing relates to the youth
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movement at receiver, all of the receiving weapons that Jordan Love is going to
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have to throw to basically everybody is a first or second year pro for the
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most part. Yeah, I think one tight end and Josia Deguara, who's
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the fourth year guy, and then literally you look down the whole rest of
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the depth started receiver and tight end. It's rookies, rookies, second second
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year players all across their roster. So the development of those guys quickly is
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going to have to be a real big factor for this offense if they're gonna
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have some success passing the football. And we saw Christian Watson start to go
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supernova a little bit during that time frame right before the Eagles Packers game last
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year. He was right in the middle of that that breakout, and you
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know, he caught that long touchdown from Jordan Love in that game, which
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kind of continued that that trajectory. And certainly the Packers are expecting huge things
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from him going into the year two. Expect a lot from Romeo Dobbs as
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well in his second season. And then they drafted again. You know,
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they went back to the well receiver in Day two of the draft, taking
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Jamee Reid from Michigan State, taking dn Tavian Wicks from Virginia in the fifth
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round. So there's all of these young receivers, and then you look at
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the tight end position where marcities Lewis is moving on, doesn't look like he's
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coming back. Robert Tunyan moved on to the Bears, and now they bring
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in two more Day two picks in Luke Musgrave Tucker Craft, and you've completely
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redone the tight end room as well. So just following all of those offensive
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weapons, all those receiving weapons, and how those guys developed throughout the course
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of the season is gonna, you know, really determine pretty significantly how this
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offense looks and where this team ends up at the end of the season.
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It's such a young team and that's why I think it's going to be fascinating
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to see how they develop over the course of the season. You know,
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how they come out of the gate as well, and then how they inevitably
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finished the season. Two. The growth that is going to be taking place,
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I mean, for an outsider outside Packers Nation, that's what I'm really
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going to be excited to watch in terms of this particular football team. But
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going back again last year or two when the Packers did play the Eagles,
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just I wanted to reflect on that game a little bit with you. You
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know, Jalen Hurts. He only threw for one hundred and thirty seven yards
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that game. He did throw for two touchdowns, but man, the Eagles
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rushing game was absolutely dominant. If folks out there do remember, I mean,
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they put up a three hundred and sixty three yards on the ground against
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the Packers. They averaged seven point four yards per attempt, three rushing touchdowns.
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And I remember when we spoke before that game last year text we discuss
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the ups and downs that the Packers defensive line was having during the twenty twenty
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two season, and quite frankly, it's been mostly down I think since twenty
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twenty one. If we're gonna be honest from from what I know, they
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didn't hold up too too well in Philly obviously. So I'm wondering that the
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Packers front office they drafted two defensive linemen, and I'm wondering how this defensive
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front is going to hold up this coming season when there are specific parts of
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the division that are really going to be looking to take advantage of a defensive
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line that maybe still be trying to get its feet under them. In a
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sense. One are your thoughts with regard to the defensive line and how they
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may be growing or maybe not growing this coming season. Yeah, it's definitely
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one of the more interesting positional groups on this team. And you mentioned that
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they did draft to linemen this season, but both of them were Day three
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picks, so that Kobe would not Haven in the fourth round and then Carl
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Brooks out of Bowling Green in the sixth. Those guys aren't Both of them
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are sort of is they would fit almost a little bit better as like a
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four three end than they would in the Packers three four system, at least
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physically they seem like they'd be a little bit more more of a four three
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scheme fit. So they were both a little bit surprising picks for the Packers.
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So they're you know, they're counting on those guys to bulk up a
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little bit, but I don't. I just don't know that you can count
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on any significant production from those two rookies drafted in Day three rap. So
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yeah, so you really need to look back to all right, who's coming
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back from last year's team. You've got a core group built around Kenny Clark,
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Pro Bowl defensive tackle He's dealt with a little bit of injury stuff here
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and there, but if he's fully healthy, he's one of the better interior
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defensive tackles in the league. Now he is fundamentally probably at his best as
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an interior pressure guy. He's not necessarily a big two gap run stuffing type
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of guy, and the Packers don't have really any of those guys. The
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only guy that you might go into that that type of a category would be
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TJ. Slayton. He's a third year guy out of Florida. I think
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you're going to see a three man line normally consisting of Kenny Clark, TJ.
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Slayton, and then last year's first round picked DeVante Wyatt, who we
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could not understand why Wyatt was not getting snaps all last season? Why was
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that? Do you have any idea? Why? No, No, we
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still don't. We still don't have any clear answers. But when Dean Lowry
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got hurt with about four weeks ago in the season, all of a sudden,
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wyatt snap count started growing and he was playing well, like we all
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kind of saw in the little glimpses and flashes that he got of playing time
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throughout the season. So he's a pretty good athlete. By the way,
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he's a pretty good athlete. He is absolutely yeah, he was. I
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mean he was a nine plus rass guy. He's got a great get off
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off the snap. He's another one of those kind of three tech interior pass
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rusher guys that the Packers have had over the years. So he's a good
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compliment with with Kenny Clark, who I think you're going to see him playing
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a little more end rather than a nose, because nose is where TJ.
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Slayton is going to be the best. He's that he is more of that
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big, two gapping, run stuffing nose tackle type. So if you put
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him on the nose, that might free of Clark a little bit to slide
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outside, do a little bit more pressure off their garden the tackle. But
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ultimately, you know that's that's three guys who only one of them is really
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unknown quantity on this defensive line. You're still projecting a little bit with Whyatt,
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you're projecting with Slayton, you're certainly projecting with the rookies, and then
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they got a couple of undrafted guys around the fringes of the rosters, so
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it was very surprising to me, and I think to a lot of Packers
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fans that they didn't invest in the defensive line on Day two of the draft.
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There seemed like there were some some really quality players there, you know,
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maybe towards the end of the second round, early third round, that
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that could have given the team some extra depths, some juice on that d
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line. Now they went with all three of those Day two picks, they
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went with offensive weapons instead. They can't mentioned a receiver in two tight ends,
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so there was certainly a focus there, but it's it's that that would
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definitely overall. Defensive line is one of my biggest concern areas on this team,
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because, as we saw in that Eagles game, if a team can
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really commit to the run, they can probably beat this Packers team that way.
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It's happened with San Francisco and years past, it happened in that Philly
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game. And you know, the conventional wisdom these days is, you know,
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you win by passing the football, but that predicates it on the defense
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being able to at least stop the run occasionally exam that was not the case
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in that game last year. Yeah. Absolutely, But I take a look
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at the Packers defense as well, on the back end of things. You
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know, we take a look at the Packers cornerback depth in particular, I
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think it's as good as any in the league. I mean, it's such
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a strength for them, as weak as the d line potentially is going to
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be perhaps this season, I just think the cornerback depth is really pretty incredible
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for the Green Bay Packers. And yes, they did lose Adrian Amos in
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free agency. See, you know, one of the top safeties in the
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league. And I'm wondering, how concerned are you about the Packers secondary given
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where the safety position is currently at this point. Then again, you've got
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some really strong cornerbacks as well. What are your thoughts here? Yeah,
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the corner position is not a concern in my mind at all. Like you
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said, JayR Alexander is as good as they come. Russell Douglas has been
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great these last couple of years for Green Bay. Keishaw Nixon good slot guy,
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amazing kick return came out at the end of the season. And then
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if Eric Stokes can come back and you know, maybe my mid season after
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his big injury last season. You know that gives you a solid four deep
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plus a couple of interesting young guys you know down the depth start. So
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not not worried about that unit at all. But safety is a completely different
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different animal because the Packers, like you said, they lost Amos, who's
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been that veteran presence on the back end for the last four years. Now
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you're looking at Darnell Savage as one of your starters. Well, Savage was
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benched in the middle of last season for poor play for a couple of games.
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Um, you've got Rudy Ford to various more and Jonathan Owens as your
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probable candidates for the other starting safety job. Three guys who have basically bounced
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around the league. Um, No one of them I think has more than
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one full season as a starter as an NFL safety. So you're counting on
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competition in training camp elevating one of those guys above the others to clearly take
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a step and clearly determine that that he's going to be the starter on this
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team opposite Savage. That's not a great position to go into camp. It's
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not comforting, especially a position exactly, Yeah, and and so, and
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then you look down there down the roster again, there's a you know,
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there's a seventh round rookie out of Iowa State. They're drafted Anthony Johnson,
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who looks like, you know, there's there's some potential there, but again
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Day three picks, those are lottery picks, especially that late in the draft,
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so you certainly can't count on him for anything. So that the there's
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depth there, there's guys who probably can play, but at you know they
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can pitch in. I would be fine with any of those guys is a
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third safety for safety, but having to rely on one of those guys to
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take a step up and be a full time starter, that's giving me a
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little bit of heartburn at this point in the off season. Absolutely. All
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right, Well let's move over to the offensive side of the ball here,
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Evan, And of course we need to talk about the quarterback position, the
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expectations for Jordan Love this coming season. And I think another aspect of this
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is is how prepared is Jordan Love to really take the reins of the offense
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at this point. It's not like he's a rookie quarterback coming into the Green
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Bay Packers organization and necessarily to this offense. So what are your thoughts on
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of course, the biggest storyline and Packers Nation heading into this season. How
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prepared is Jordan Love? Yeah, I think certainly he's as prepared as you
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could ever hope a first time started to be. You look back at last
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season and Rogers didnt show up for OTA's last year Green Bay. Yep.
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So Love all of the all the reps with the first team, you know,
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during the whole spring program last year. Um, basically got every snap
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in the preseason last season also and and now you know, full blown offseason,
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working with his receivers, working working into the starting role. Um.
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He also got some significant playing time last year, especially again in that Philly
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game, saw coming in for for Rogers when he was banged up a little
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bit in Um, you know, at the end of the the end of
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that game and looked pretty darn good. Um, I know Philly's coverage was
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was probably a little vidella towards the end of the game with he made trying
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to come back. Yeah, a little bit, but but he made I
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mean, he made good decisions, He made good accurate throws, and and
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he let his receivers do the work for him. And you know Watson with
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that big one. So um, I actually broke this down a little bit.
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The other day. Love has actually had more pass attempts and um he
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had He's played in more games than Rogers did in his first three years when
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he was sitting behind bred Farm. All right, So it's not a huge
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it's not a huge amount. I think it something like eighty three pass attempts
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to fifty nine or something like that. That's not like we've got a huge
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sample size that it is. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yep, yep.
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So's he's played large stretches of a handful of games. I think Packers
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fans after that Philly game, we're ready to give up on any hope of
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the postseason. When they were sitting at four and eight one week to go
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before the buy, I think I was certainly in the position that, you
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know, at a four and eight record with five games to go, this
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is the time to hand over the reins to Jordan's Love, especially knowing that
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Rogers had that thumb injury that he was dealing with for so much last season,
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and then when he went out of that that Philly game looked like that
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was going to be more serious than it ended up being as well. So
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there was a lot of talk amongst us saying this is This is as good
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a time as you're going to get to put Jordan Love in the starting lineup,
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give him a couple of games down the stretch, see what you really
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have in this guy, and give him a chance to make some mistakes and
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work him out now in games that probably aren't really going to matter. And
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I think if the Packers had lost any of those next four games and gotten
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knocked down to nine losses, they probably would have gone ahead and pulled the
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trigger. But because there was that glimmer of hope at the postseason and everything
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started breaking just right right the Green Bay down the line to end up having
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a win in your end game in Week eighteen, they wanted to keep that
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hope alive. They wanted to give Rogers all the playing time down the stretch
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and two until they were completely mathematically eliminated. So I think in a sense
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we were. We were robbed a little bit of the chance to see a
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little more Jordan Love playing time down the end of last season because Packers actually
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won some games and stayed in the hunt. But but it sounds like it
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sounds like he's prepared to money and get it done. From an offensive perspective,
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with the young receivers here and developed with them as well. Absolutely,
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I think that's that's part of the reason why I think they they focused so
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heavily on offensive weapons in this draft and even last year. Um that's three
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two drafts in a row that they've drafted three wide receivers last year this season,
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So I do think that that is a focus, is letting these guys
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grow and develop together, you know, work on building some chemistry among among
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this passing game, and you know, we'll we'll see where that takes us
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come Week one. I'm just hoping that they do give him at least some
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decent playing time in the preseason as well to get some live looks again and
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you know, just make sure he's you know, his feeling the speed of
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the game a little bit again before Week one begins. Well, not everybody
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in the offense is quote young. There's certainly some veterans on the offense and
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one that I specifically, you know, want to get into and that's Aaron
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Jones. And I wonder what Aaron Jones's workload is going to look like this
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season, especially if Jordan Love does struggle out of the gate for whatever reason.
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I mean at this point, Jones has the sixth most rushing yards in
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the league, the ninth most rushing touchdowns, and the second highest yards per
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carry in the NFL. That's what you're getting from Aaron Jones at this point
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in his career. How do you envision Aaron Jones's role this season given the
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new quarterback situation as well, and just basically rushing the ball on the ground
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in general, again, brand new quarterbacks starting under center. How do you
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see his role developing this season? Staying the same, changing a little bit.
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What are your thoughts? Yeah, I think part of it has to
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do with how the offense as a whole is going to change a little bit.
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I do think that Lafleur's offense the last four years was somewhat tailored to
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Aaron Rodgers and the fact that Rogers like certain things done a certain way.
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He wasn't crazy about a lot of presnap motion, certain certain things like that
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that he always wanted the ability to audible, and he seemed like he would
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do a lot of pre snap decision making on things like zone reads and that
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sort of thing. I think, with love, you're going to see the
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true version of the Matt Lafleur offense as he envisions it, and it's probably
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going to look a little more similar to the Shanahan offense out in San Francisco
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in obviously those guys coached together. Yeah, and I think you're going to
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see more You're going to see a lot more motion. I think that's part
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of it, And I think Jones is going to be a big part of
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that. Um. He's a guy who can do some of the jet motion
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stuff that you see like Bebo Samuel and Christian McCaffrey do. Um. He
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is a player who has a lot of versatility, and that's something that I
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think Lafleur is really going to try to emphasize and to highlight in this this
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offensive scheme. You can do stuff with him, you can do stuff with
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Christian Watson, and then you can you know, you can line them up
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kind of in different places and then have aj Dillon as your power back in
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the backfield, um, knowing that if you give it to him on a
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dive, he's he's going to basically pick up four yards every time. Right.
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So there's a lot of different ways you can use Jones and and certainly
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one of his best traits is just fundamentally his vision behind the line, his
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ability to jump cut and to to run the the zone running game and see
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those holes open up in front of him. So certainly you want to give
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him, you know, you want to get him that two hundred carries plus
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out of the backfield. But I do think you're going to see them in
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a little bit more creative ways than maybe Lafleur was comfortable giving it to him
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before, just because this is going to the Lafleur's offense and you're going to
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have all those different little wrinkles that maybe he didn't get to implement as much
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as he would have liked with a certain veteran quarterback under center. All right,
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very good. Well, we've got one more segment that we want to
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get into with the attacks before we let you go here, and it's actually
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the debut of our standout and stepped on segment. So if you don't mind,
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I'd like for you to give me two players you think will be a
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standout this coming season on the Green Bay Packers. Who are those two players
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that you've been thinking about who's really going to stand out for this team?
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Yeah, I think by the end of the season, everybody in the NFL
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is going to know Elton Jenkins's name. I think he is going to be
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an All Pro at left guard. Last season he came off at tourney ACL
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They bump bud him around the line a whole bunch. He's a really versatile
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guy. He can play everywhere. But now once he got settled back in
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at left guard at mid season, he was playing at an all Pro level
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the second half of the year. I think he's fully healthy. I think
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he's going to get back to that and he is going to be first team
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second team All Pro left guard coming up this season. Tackers I think have
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the best best tandem of offensive lineman on the left side with him and David
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Baktri in the NFL as far as I'm concerned, and I think we're going
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to be talking about him for a long time to come. And going to
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the other side. I mentioned Devanta Wyatt earlier, the defensive lineman. I
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think that that he does break out this season with some starters, raps,
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starters snaps significant additional playing time. I think you're going to see him be
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a very disruptive interior defensive lineman, getting a quarterback's faces, collapsing the pocket.
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I think he could be the best kind of pass rushing d lineman the
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Packers have had since like Mike Daniels five or six years ago. All Right,
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he'll be a guy to be, to be on your radars, I'd
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say, you know, I'm gonna I'll stake my claim. I'll say he's
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in the seven eight sack range, which you know a three to four tackle
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is is pretty dark. That's pretty good. That is very good. Yeah,
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I'd like to give me those two guys. I love it. I
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love your standouts for sure. You know, the trenches are I think just
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so underrated. Still as we know, this is a passing league. Quarterback,
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wide receivers, tight ends, they get so much love, and rightfully
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so. But I love I love the talent that we see in the trenches,
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and especially you know what's going to be happened on that left side of
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the offensive line for the Packers, like you mentioned tech. So let's now
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get into stepped on. Give me two players you think will get just stepped
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on throughout the coming season. They may have a little concern about who are
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those players? Yeah, I think you look right next to Jenkins on the
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offensive Lion Josh Myers, who was the starting center for the team the last
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two years, second round pick in twenty twenty one, head into his third
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year, but he just says now taken the step that step forward that the
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Packers were looking for from him. Um, he did play every snap last
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year, but he did not play at a high level. And I think
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Packers fans are also a little salty because Green Bay took him one pick before
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Creed Humphrey, the chief center who pro ball player you know has been you
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know, has become one of the best centers in the NFL. And so
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Um, Myers has not developed and I think there's a chance that he might
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not be in the starting lineup by mid season. Wow, you got a
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guy in Zach Zack tom who they they picked in the fourth round last year,
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who has played center tackle, um, and and he might be a
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candidate to step in there if Myers struggles. And so that's that's one guy
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to keep an eye out for. And the other one, Um, It's
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it's kind of crazy to say because he was an All Pro two years ago,
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but Devondrac Campbell, the line um, he seemed like he really took
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a step back last year and he wasn't. He wasn't as fast as he
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was two years ago in that all pro season. Um, it seemed like
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he was a little nicked up throughout a good portion of the year. But
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even when he seemed healthy, the instincts and the close to the football just
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wasn't quite there. And I do wonder is he's starting to lose a step
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a little bit. Are there some nanging injuries that's that are starting to catch
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up to him. Um, But certainly after that that incredible high two years
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ago when he came in and and just had an absolutely incredible season for Green
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Bay, basically getting signed off the street in June, Ye got that big
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contract before last year and his play really sort of tailed off, And so
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I'm I'm concerned that that that's a sign of a trend of a guy who's
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approaching thirty years old, and you know, at that position where you're dealing
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a lot of punishment, but as an inside linebacker, you're you're taking a
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lot of a lot of it too, pulling guards and all that. So,
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um, he'll be want to keep an eye on. And I at
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least have some level of concern about two interesting candidates for stepped on for sure,
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and thanks for doing that. Was the first time we did that bit
24:57
here, first time we did that segment. Fantastic job, my friend.
25:00
So so yeah, that's gonna do it for us here on opposition territory and
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text. It was great having you on. Very much appreciate you taking the
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time with your Green Bay Packers. Well, unless they face the Eagles in
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the NFC Championship game or in the playoffs at all, but it's gonna be
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fascinating to watch this team come back, join us, join us down the
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road. I'd love to talk to you as a season's getting started, as
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we're getting into it, talk more Green Bay Packers with you, my friend,
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my pleasure. It's always a good time. And yeah, look forward
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to coming back on at some point. A fantastic discussion with Evan there.
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Man. I got to tell you, I think I think that Green Bay
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Packers could potentially surprise some folks this season because, yes, Jordan Love again,
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he's not a rookie quarterback. You know, he has been getting that
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tutelage under Aaron Rodgers. And you know, you think about Aaron Rodgers and
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you feel about him however you want to feel about him. But the fact
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of the matter is he's one of the best quarterback that has ever played in
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this league. And the fact that this incoming quarterback in Jordan Love, who
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has some experience, as text was just talking about, you know, it
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has been able to learn from him. There's something to that, and it's
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going to be interesting to see how he continues to develop over this season and
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again especially with these young receivers. So I'm gonna be fascinated to see what
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happens in Green Bay this year, for sure. Great great storylines there,
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great storylines throughout the NFL, and we're gonna continue talking about them here on
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