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Wolf Creek Inn: Oregon Ghost Stories & Haunted History · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  Speaker 1: The Dougals were well known for their hospitality and chicken dinners.
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  Speaker 1: Their daughter Jane said in an article, quote, that the
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  Speaker 1: aroma from her mother Dinky's cooking in the kitchen brought
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  Speaker 1: the wolves to the yard. And she meant literally brought
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  Speaker 1: the fucking wolves to the yard.
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  Speaker 2: Because they were wolves.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right.
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  Speaker 1: And because of the large wolf population, guests had to
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  Speaker 1: use chamber pots overnight so that they didn't have to
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  Speaker 1: go outside to the outhouses and possibly encounter one of
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  Speaker 1: the wolves in the yard that came for Dinky's milkshake.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, Caitlin. Hi, Cassie. As she's taking a sip of wine. Yeah, well.
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  Speaker 2: I had to do it.
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  Speaker 3: If we go any longer just chit-chatting, then I'll have
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  Speaker 3: to go get another glass of wine. So, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Can you bring me one? Oh, yeah. Okay, so what
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  Speaker 2: were we doing? I said hi. Hi, creepy people.
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  Speaker 1: Hello. This is P & W Haunts and Homicides, where
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  Speaker 1: spooky in the Pacific Northwest. Or the P & W,
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: of every episode for a little deeper insight into our topic.
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  Speaker 2: So stick around if you're into that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I like how I'm just being your hype man today.
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  Speaker 2: I know. You are.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. That's okay. Hype me up because I need it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just go. Let's get into it. Let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: Giddy up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You're supposed to say yeehaw.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I kind of said it overlapping with you. If
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  Speaker 3: I'd known you were going to say, you know, giddy up,
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  Speaker 3: then yeah, I probably would have said yeehaw.
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  Speaker 2: But here we are. Kind of fitting.
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  Speaker 1: In the mid to late 1800s, the Applegate Trail was
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  Speaker 1: well used by settlers. I cannot say settler.
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  Speaker 2: Settlers. Settlers.
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  Speaker 1: The Applegate Trail was well used by settlers, miners, freighters.
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  Speaker 1: and anyone else who needed to travel between Oregon and California.
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  Speaker 1: The trail ran through a new settlement at the time
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  Speaker 1: called Wolf Creek, which is named after, can you guess?
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  Speaker 3: Named after?
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  Speaker 2: It's called Wolf Creek. Wolf Creek? I don't know. Why
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  Speaker 2: does it feel like I should?
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. You're just a hat rack today, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: I guess.
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  Speaker 2: It was named after the large amount of wolves in
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  Speaker 2: the area. Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: I was thinking about this like a little too literally.
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  Speaker 3: I was thinking like a person.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I thought. But like, no, this is the
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  Speaker 2: most obvious answer you can think of.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, it's a creek and there happened to be
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  Speaker 3: a lot of wolves.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So many wolves.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's, uh, should have thought of that, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: hat racking it today.
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  Speaker 2: We'll kind of circle back to the wolves a little
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  Speaker 2: bit later. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So this is in Southern Oregon. It's about 20 miles
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  Speaker 1: north of Grants Pass. And if you don't know where
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  Speaker 1: Grants Pass is, I didn't do it. It's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of miles south of Portland. So I was like, maybe
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know Grants Pass unless you
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  Speaker 1: live in Oregon.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say it's fair if you don't know
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  Speaker 3: where that is in relation to Portland.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like Medford almost to California area.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's multiple hour drive.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see.
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  Speaker 1: Portland to Wolf Creek. Let's just do it real quick
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  Speaker 1: on my phone. It says three hours and 15 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that does not. There's no way. Bend is like
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  Speaker 2: three and a half hours, four hours, right?
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  Speaker 3: I feel like Bend is more solidly like four hours
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  Speaker 3: these days.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just like straight down. It's just like kind
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  Speaker 1: of a straight line down. But it might not account
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  Speaker 1: for some of the traffic too right at this moment.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 2: 225 miles from Portland.
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  Speaker 3: You know why I'm thinking it's longer? Because whenever I
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  Speaker 3: used to drive to like Klamath Falls, which is like
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  Speaker 3: kind of similarly south, it's actually a little bit further south,
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  Speaker 3: but it's also to the east. So the route for
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  Speaker 3: that is like straight down at first and then it
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  Speaker 3: like curves way off to the east. It's about like
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  Speaker 3: that's like four and a half hours right now. I
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  Speaker 3: have done that drive before. It very rarely takes four
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  Speaker 3: and a half hours.
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  Speaker 2: Does it take more usually? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was always doing that drive back and forth like
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  Speaker 3: over holiday weekends. And it could easily take you five
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  Speaker 3: and a half, six hours. It depends on all the
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  Speaker 3: P stops too. Well, that's the other thing. Like just
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  Speaker 3: purely the driving distance is one thing. But are you
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  Speaker 3: not making any stops for four and a half or
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  Speaker 3: five hours?
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  Speaker 2: Some people. Doubt it. Doubt it. Crazy people. Yeah. Who
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  Speaker 2: are you? Comment below. If you're insane, comment below. If
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  Speaker 2: you're a.
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  Speaker 3: Crazy person who just does that drive straight through, let
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  Speaker 3: us know.
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  Speaker 1: So moving along here, we're going to talk about Henry Smith.
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  Speaker 1: He built the first hostel for the travelers of the
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  Speaker 1: Applegate Trail in 1855 called the.
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  Speaker 2: Six Bit House. Oh, that's cute. It's so, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's so cute.
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  Speaker 1: They offered breakfast or dinner or a place to sleep
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  Speaker 1: for two bits, which is, I guess, 25 cents, it says.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Or you could get all three for six bits.
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  Speaker 2: Okie dokie. Yeah, that's just math.
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  Speaker 3: Six bits. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was a little cheaper to get.
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  Speaker 3: No, they're not offering a discount.
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  Speaker 2: No, but it was called six bits. So it's just
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  Speaker 2: like such a cute, because that's what it costs. If
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  Speaker 2: you want breakfast, dinner. I like it. I'm all about it.
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  Speaker 2: And a place to sleep.
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  Speaker 3: And I would really like it if we could go
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  Speaker 3: back to old-timey hotel pricing, to be honest.
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  Speaker 2: Great. Oh, my God, I know. We could go everywhere
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  Speaker 2: and anywhere we wanted.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, can you imagine?
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  Speaker 2: For just six bits. Six bits. What about lunch, though?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You'd do lunch on the road. These were traveling people. Fair.
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  Speaker 3: Fair.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. 1850s Oregon.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They're travelers. Oh, yeah. Big time.
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  Speaker 1: In 1883, Smith built the Wolf Creek Tavern in the
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  Speaker 1: classical revival style. We'll look at the hotel a little
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  Speaker 1: bit later. And if you don't know what that is,
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  Speaker 1: you can just like look at pictures or look at
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  Speaker 1: the pictures we post.
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  Speaker 3: I have not heard the term revival used so much. Like,
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  Speaker 3: But here's the thing I'm reading. It says colonial revival
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  Speaker 3: brings back early American and Georgian house designs. And I
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  Speaker 3: feel like that's kind of what it's looking at.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: So it very much is going to look like all
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  Speaker 3: of the houses in that old Mel Gibson gem, The Patriot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, but I assume that sounds right.
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. okay i hate to.
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  Speaker 3: Be this guy but you've never seen the patriot no
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  Speaker 3: oh my god sorry i've seen the other one he's
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  Speaker 3: in oh my god that mel gibson is in yeah
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  Speaker 3: what's that like the one that he's in with the
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  Speaker 3: face paint.
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  Speaker 1: And the yelling braveheart yeah i've seen braveheart okay like
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  Speaker 1: kind of the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: Not really Time period wise, I don't think that quite
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  Speaker 3: lines up. Certainly geographically, no. Also, when you say the
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  Speaker 3: other one, as if Mel Gibson was only in two movies,
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  Speaker 3: we could really get lost here. Danger. You in danger, girl.
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  Speaker 2: But we're not talking about that.
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  Speaker 1: In 1883, Smith built the Wolf Creek Tavern in the
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  Speaker 1: classical revival style. for stagecoach travelers and passengers of the
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  Speaker 1: new railroad. Back then, tavern meant a hotel that serves food.
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  Speaker 1: So it did not mean a bar.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It definitely had a little bit different meaning.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, definitely. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like you want to go to a hotel
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  Speaker 1: that has.
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  Speaker 2: Food, right? I mean, I know I do.
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  Speaker 1: Like a hostel, I think, would be like the thing
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  Speaker 1: that wouldn't serve food.
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  Speaker 2: It's like just a bed.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It would be like more of like a boarding house
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  Speaker 3: style situation.
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  Speaker 1: Wolf Creek Tavern became much more than just a place
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  Speaker 1: that served food. It was a place for guests to
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  Speaker 1: commiserate about their grueling travels, to catch up on the
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  Speaker 1: latest news, and to send letters to people they left.
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  Speaker 2: Behind or are heading towards. I know. It's just kind
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  Speaker 2: of like a hub.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. stopping point along their.
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  Speaker 3: Travels yeah i mean you needed that back then because
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  Speaker 3: oh yeah i mean they don't call it the wild
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  Speaker 3: west for no reason.
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  Speaker 1: It was wild it was wild there's wolves everywhere right
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  Speaker 1: famously the wolves that you know were naming shit after
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  Speaker 1: Henry Smith also planted apple and pear orchards next to
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  Speaker 1: the tavern that are still there to this day hey
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  Speaker 1: so I thought that was really cool I bet They
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  Speaker 1: could probably make some.
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  Speaker 2: Really good cider. Oh, yeah. Just a suggestion, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder what they do with it. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they make a lot of like apple pies and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. I mean, apple everything. Apple butter.
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  Speaker 2: Apple bottom jeans, boots with the fur. Yeah, exactly. From
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  Speaker 2: the wolves. There we go.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: It all circles back. Everything connects.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you try hard enough.
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  Speaker 2: And we do.
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  Speaker 1: And we do. In 1922, guest numbers started to increase
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  Speaker 1: due to the Pacific Highway. And by then, married couple
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  Speaker 1: John and Dinky Dougal owned and operated the.
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  Speaker 2: Wolf Creek Tavern. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Come again?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: John and Dinky Dougal?
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  Speaker 3: And that's the wife's name?
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  Speaker 2: Yep, wife Dinky.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's her, like, given name or
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  Speaker 1: if it's just, like, what she went by.
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  Speaker 2: There was not a lot of information.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to say.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't look her up because it's just, like, such
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  Speaker 1: a tiny thing.
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  Speaker 2: But I thought it was so cute. Dinky.
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  Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. If I had parents that were,
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  Speaker 3: I would argue... A little bit cruel. And they named
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  Speaker 3: me Dinky. The last thing I'm going to do is
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  Speaker 3: marry and take the name of a man whose last
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  Speaker 3: name is Dougal.
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  Speaker 2: Dinky Dougal. I like it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of cute, but.
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  Speaker 2: And I bet Dinky didn't mean what it means now. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I just there's no way to know. And that's lost
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  Speaker 3: to history.
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  Speaker 2: But it that's a that's a wild one.
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  Speaker 1: If someone else wants to do a research paper on
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  Speaker 1: Dinky Dougal for me, get on it. They added a
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  Speaker 1: guest wing, a kitchen, a semicircular driveway with promotional signage.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. I love a semicircular driveway.
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  Speaker 1: And it was for like the stage coaches and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to like just draw them in. They changed
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  Speaker 1: the name to Wolf Creek Inn instead of Tavern just
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  Speaker 1: to be more clear because by that time i think
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  Speaker 1: things were changing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah the terminology.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah and they advertised tasty cuisine on their sign which
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  Speaker 1: is still up today so it says wolf creek in
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  Speaker 1: and underneath it says tasty cuisine period.
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  Speaker 3: So cute i think it's so.
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  Speaker 1: Cute but they just like wanted people to know like
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  Speaker 1: hey come eat here we have food you need to
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  Speaker 1: stop because you're hungry because you're driving The Dougals were
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  Speaker 1: well known for their hospitality and chicken dinners. Their daughter, Jane,
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  Speaker 1: said in an article, quote, that the aroma from her
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  Speaker 1: mother Dinky's cooking in the kitchen brought the wolves to
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  Speaker 1: the yard. And she meant literally brought the fucking wolves
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  Speaker 1: to the yard.
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  Speaker 2: Because there were wolves.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right.
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  Speaker 1: And because of the large wolf population, guests had to
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  Speaker 1: use chamber pots overnight so that they didn't have to
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  Speaker 1: go outside to the outhouses and possibly encounter one of
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  Speaker 1: the wolves in the yard that came for Dinky's milkshake.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to say she was a milkshakestress.
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  Speaker 1: But the last wolf that was seen near Wolf Creek
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  Speaker 1: Inn was in 1956. So if you go today, you
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  Speaker 1: don't really have to worry about that. Which is kind
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  Speaker 1: of sad because like we drove them out of their
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  Speaker 1: home and or like killed them off.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Oregon, our wolf population is probably incredibly small.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a quick jaunt over there to Yellowstone
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  Speaker 3: and then you can you can see them sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: They got wolfies over there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I seen them.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh. I mean, that's cool, but like creepy and scary
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  Speaker 1: to see one in the wild.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, it's a lot scarier to see some of the
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  Speaker 3: like larger herbivores when you go to Yellowstone. At least
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  Speaker 3: that was my feeling. The park is so massive. And
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  Speaker 3: because the population of predators is like even in places
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  Speaker 3: like Yellowstone so far reduced, these bitches get massive. And
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  Speaker 3: at one point we're like driving through the park and
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  Speaker 3: I remember my aunt opening like the motorhome door. And
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  Speaker 3: it has like a screen to it still. But I'm like, uh,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think the screen is going to stop an
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  Speaker 3: animal that weighs as much as a fucking Honda Civic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no. Just jump right through that, bitch.
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  Speaker 3: He might be coming aboard if you.
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  Speaker 2: Antlers first. Exactly. Yeah. Oh, God.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. The size and shape of your door may change.
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  Speaker 2: It will be a moose-shaped or an elk-shaped hole in
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  Speaker 2: the wall. In the wall. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Literally.
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  Speaker 1: So our good buddies, the Dougles, ran the inn until 1935.
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  Speaker 1: And then I think another person owned it. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it went through like a couple different owners.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't really clear. Wolf Creek Inn is the oldest
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  Speaker 1: continuously operating hotel in the Pacific Northwest.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, it was listed on the National Register
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  Speaker 1: of Historic Places in 1972. By 1975, Wolf Creek Inn
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  Speaker 1: was desperately in need of restoration. She was pretty old
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  Speaker 1: by then. The people who owned it at the time
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  Speaker 1: couldn't afford the massive cost. And the state of Oregon
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  Speaker 1: bought the property and fixed it up.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: I think because it was on the National Historic, they
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  Speaker 1: were like, well, someone's got to do this.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah. I mean, from a business perspective, though, like
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  Speaker 3: the margins on like particularly in like food. Like they
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  Speaker 3: can be really, really slim. And so like having a
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  Speaker 3: facility that needs like a massive renovation, like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes it's like it just becomes insurmountable.
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  Speaker 1: I think it said it was like millions of dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Like it was it needed a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, think about it. Like think how much like
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  Speaker 3: the code had to have changed at that point, you know, going.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Modern plumbing and electricity. There's so many things to take
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  Speaker 3: into consideration. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So do you want to go just to the Wolf
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  Speaker 1: Creek Inn website and then you.
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  Speaker 2: Can see it? I thought you would never ask.
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  Speaker 3: It's exactly what the colonial revival... I pulled up a
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  Speaker 3: picture that looks so similar to this.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So classical revival architecture encompasses various movements... inspired by the
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  Speaker 3: symmetric forms monumental columns which obviously were the columns right.
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  Speaker 1: The columns and it's like it painted white it kind
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  Speaker 1: of looks like the white house.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah it shows like a bunch of different like
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  Speaker 3: kind of periods where like it's kind of taking from
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: all of these different types of architecture but it specifically
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  Speaker 3: says like federal slash adams style which is Essentially, like
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  Speaker 3: the late colonial era, it's like 1780 to 1830. So
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  Speaker 3: like very much still in that period. Because as soon
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  Speaker 3: as I Googled this, I was like, there is a house.
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure in the Patriot that like it could
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  Speaker 3: be this house.
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  Speaker 2: I can see it.
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  Speaker 1: The exterior of the inn has a long double veranda
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  Speaker 1: with multiple entrance doors. Like a wraparound porch, but like
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  Speaker 1: on the top too.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the double veranda is, uh-huh.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: She's classy. I love a veranda, you know?
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Honestly.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: And I think the suite, I think they said it
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: has its own private veranda.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Ooh.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: So inside, the entryway has a central staircase that separates
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the men's and women's parlors.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Ooh. Because of course they had men's and women's parlors separate.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, sometimes it feels like maybe certain things
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: were better back in the day.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, I think these days they
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: probably don't like you could probably go into either one
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: of them.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't actually know for sure. Yeah. I
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: don't think I don't think they can legally do that, though.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Probably not.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Men only.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Men only.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. In addition to the nine guest rooms, there's also
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: a ballroom on the second floor. And that's now used
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: for various parties, conferences, I think maybe weddings. They said
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: they've had weddings there. But in the past, it has
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: been set up with cots for people stranded in snowstorms.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's so sweet.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: So like back in the day, like it was the hub,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: you know, for travelers. And if there was like a
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: storm or whatever, everyone like, where are you going to go?
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: You're going to go to the ballroom with your cot.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: No, quite literally. And it's funny because the first time
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: that I drove to Klamath Falls, it started snowing when
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: I was less than an hour out from where I
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: was headed.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: And.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Oof. I saw semis like pulled over, chaining up and stuff.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, OK, I hope I got this.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it snows bad out there.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: It really can.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: It's not like it is here.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Right. Well, and obviously like this area is a little
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: bit further west from Klamath, but like that far south
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: and just like how densely like forested and it's like
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: so much of like the stretch that you're driving is
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: just like very isolated. Like in terms of like the
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: modern times, like that's, that's one of those areas where
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: you're like, I don't want to like get stuck somewhere.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: And then back then, like, you know, have a cell
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: phone or, you know, Chains for your buggy.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they... Your stagecoach.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I think traditionally you just waited until spring.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: That was their version of chains.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: So I think it's interesting that it only has nine
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: guest rooms. I'm not sure if that... I'm pretty sure
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: it's been the same since back in the day. I
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: don't know if they took out any rooms or.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine that they would.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: But it's still like a, it's a very small, it's
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: kind of like a B & B now.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: The Inn is also famous for its famous patrons. Jack London.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: I saw something. About Jack London.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: He's like the one who's most known for being here
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: because he just like loved it there. He is the
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: author of The Call of the Wild and White Fang,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: which I'm pretty sure I read both of those at
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: some point in school, but I don't remember really.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Just say it with confidence. You read them both in school.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Possibly.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: And I'm not sure if I actually read White Thing
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: or if I just like have heard enough about it
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: that I just like know things about it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: It's like kind of one of those iconic stories that
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: you're like through osmosis almost. I just kind of have
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: like the gist of it.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Anyway, so he loved to stay here and write, even
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: spending a whole summer there with his wife, writing a
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: short story called The End of the Story. And even
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: finishing a novel, Valley of the Moon, which was published
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: just three years before his death.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Now I really want to read that.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: I know. Valley of the Moon.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Like, it sounds pretty cool. And he was super inspired
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: by the Pacific Northwest, I guess. That's kind of what
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I read in some of the articles and things. And
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: he loved to, like, travel and hike around and just
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: was very inspired. I mean... same by us because we
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: nasty Jack London was you nasty his favorite room is
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: now named after him and is set up much like
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: it would have been when he stayed there oh.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: I love it when they do that I.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Know Plus some modern upgrades. So it has heat, air
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: conditioning and a private bathroom now. So like no more
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: chamber pots or outhouses.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: That's I think for the best. I did also I
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: kind of assumed because I saw kind of some of
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: the amenities listed and it looks like the the inn
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: now features electric car charging.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: So but they don't have TVs in the room. You
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: can have Wi-Fi, but you can't have TVs. Sorry.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, if I've got Wi-Fi, I can just watch
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: something on my iPad until I go sleepy time.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Like it doesn't bother me at all.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Like I'd rather just be out seeing things. And then
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: like when I go to bed, either listen to a
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: podcast or watch on my phone or something. The mountain
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: over Wolf Creek is also named London Peak after Jack London.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Well, I was just going to say, is it named
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: after him?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Wow. That's cool.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, that was like his place. Like he's like
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the most well-known.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, he made the website.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: He made the website. Oh, he made it from beyond
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: the grave.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: But he is far from the only famous person to
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: stay at the inn. Among others are Clark Gable, Carol Lombard.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Orson Welles.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Mary Pickford. Douglas Fairbanks. Which half these people, I don't know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: but that's okay. I'm going to keep reading. President Rutherford B.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Hayes. Okay. So we got a president up in there. Hello.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Sinclair Lewis.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: And Sir Anthony Hopkins. Shut up. That was the most
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: exciting to me. I was like, Hannibal stayed there. Let's go.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know who Sinclair Lewis is. Douglas Fairbanks, Carol Lombard,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Mary Pickford. I don't know those people. I barely know
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: who Orson Welles is. I've heard his name. I don't
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: fucking know.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Sinclair Lewis. He was an author. So, I mean, clearly
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: this is. Yes. I mean, it's someplace that.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: A lot of writers like to go. Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: He was an American novelist and a playwright. He died
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: in 1951. So I'm not shocked that you're not super
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: familiar with his work.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I know most of these people are like
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: older actors or writers or people that I may have
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: like heard their name, but no clue really who they are.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I know the next person, though. John Wayne stayed there
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: in 1973 while filming Rooster Cogburn, the sequel to True Grit.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Okay. Which, I don't know the movies, but I know
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: a John Wayne when I see one.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: True Grit, I think, is kind of... I'm hard-pressed to
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: come up with a title of a movie that he
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: was in that's, like, bigger than that. Like, that's, like,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: what he's known for.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Apparently, there was a sequel.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Which I was I was unaware of that.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I will admit the cast of Gunsmoke, a show that
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: ran from 1955 to 1975, also stayed there many times
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: while shooting in the nearby ghost town of Golden.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Golden. I came across something about Golden recently.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know where I where I can't remember.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Probably like something on Facebook. But it was talking about
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: the ghost town and i was like oh hello.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: It is a ghost town um so now we're just
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: going to take a slight detour from our main topic
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about the ghost town of
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: golden it's now known as golden state heritage site so
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: it's like it's on the national register of historic places
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: It's in Medford, Oregon, about three miles east of Wolf
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Creek Inn. This was a mining town once home to
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: 100 people with two churches and zero saloons.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, I feel like that ratio might be backwards.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe you can tell what kind of town this was.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Very dry. Very dry town. Yeah, very dry.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Only four buildings are still standing. a church, a home,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: a shed, and a post office slash store. So those
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: are the only structures still standing in Golden.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Well, of course, one of them was going to be
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: one of the two churches.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I know, of course. Gotta be. So now it's a
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: ghost town, but does that mean it's haunted?
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Uh, I'm going to go with yeah.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Well, not necessarily. No, come on. But there are some
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: spooky claims at this ghost town.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Give me a break.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: It doesn't mean it's haunted, but it's probably haunted. Sure.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: We're talking about causation versus correlation. But the connection is
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: pretty freaking strong.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: People mainly see like shadow figures in the buildings at night.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: And there's they say there's a spirit of a preacher there,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: which makes sense. I was kind of wondering, like, is
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: he there because his church is still there, like his
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: building or his church is not there anymore?
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: And he's like upset. Oh, I don't know. Couldn't tell you.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: But Ghost Adventures also did an episode there. And I'm
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: pretty sure they found like just a bunch of demons.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, cool. Okay, so having the church and, you know,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: the priest haunting the place is apparently doing nothing to
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: deter the demon activity.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Well, no, because.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Zach brings the demons with him everywhere he goes.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Honestly, they're attached. They have to be. They are, for sure.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: The demonic activity that they find in every place ever,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: I feel like.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: It's not likely, you know, to just be there.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: On its own.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: All the time, forever, always. Everywhere.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Seems unlikely, but OK.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I do remember I watched this one a couple because
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I still watch it. I know I make fun of it,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: but it's like, you know, a love hate relationship. But
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I've seen this episode a few times and I think
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: he gets possessed like in every episode.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: But in this one, I'm like, I think he like
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: starts to feel possessed. But again. I don't know. I
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: don't think that that's like just there naturally.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: So if you want to go explore it, if you
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I think you can go.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Just don't be disrespectful. You know, don't be a dick.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Dick road.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Don't be a dick.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: But definitely if you're ever.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Going to go to any of these places I talk about,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: please look before you go and just make sure you
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: can and. I don't want to just encourage people to
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: go to places because I talk about it and then
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: you're not.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Supposed to go there. You do your own research. Okay. Yeah.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: No, I think that's important because even if you're allowed
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: to go, there might be conditions that you're not necessarily
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: aware of unless you look into it. It might be
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: technically allowed, but it might not be super safe. Right.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: You know, unless you want to be joining the The
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: cast there.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, right.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: So Ghost Adventures also did an episode at Wolf Creek, too. Okay.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know that episode very well. I'm sure I've
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: seen it, but I didn't.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Go rewatch it because it's it's not like super relevant.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: It's what it is.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: It's what it is.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: But we're going to go journey back over to the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Wolf Creek Inn. So guests and staff have reported hearing
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: footsteps in empty hallways or rooms. They've heard movement in
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: empty parts of the building at night. Doors open and
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: close for no reason. Flickering lights. Some have felt sudden pressure, chills,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: or a strong sense that someone is in the room
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: near them or watching them. People also say they have
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: unusually vivid dreams while staying there, which I'm interested in that.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Ooh. I'm less interested in the pressure because that's already,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: you know, as a frequent migraine sufferer, pressure.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's one you would experience for sure.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, that was for sure the main thing at
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: the Delaney house. It just felt like my brain was
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: trying to escape through my skull while I was like
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: simultaneously dizzy. So like the idea that people have specifically
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: mentioned pressure, that really freaks me out.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: I would have to, I honestly, I would probably have
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: to watch the Ghost Hunters episode before going just to see.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Just to see.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I've only watched a couple of episodes
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: just like randomly over the years. Everything that I know
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: for the most part about the show is what I
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: have heard other podcasts say about the show.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I mostly, I just like to watch it, yeah, to see, like,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: the place and to hear the history.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: And usually they have.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Someone, like, associated with the land on there to talk
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: So that's what I like to watch it for. For sure.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Like, if anybody's got the connections to, like, meet with
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: the right people, I would assume, you know, their production
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: team has got it covered.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: So it's pretty much kind of your standard haunting stuff,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: you know? Apparitions have been sighted. Unexplained voices or mysterious
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: piano playing have been heard. So they do the piano there,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: which is kind. I like that one. I would love
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: to hear just like. I was just going to say.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Phantom piano playing. Piano.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: It's just like the piano, but phantom.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Phantom. It's like when they rig the pianos to like play.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Like a player piano.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: I love those. They're so cute.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Oh. Chairs will move on their own. Things might disappear
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: from tabletops. In the kitchen, staff have reported seeing the
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: same baking pan fly across the floor on multiple occasions.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't like that.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: So it's like, is it just a haunted baking pan
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: or does the ghost specifically like that baking pan?
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Well, like maybe it was someone that worked there in
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: the kitchen. You know, like that's what I think.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're like, you're using the wrong pan. You gotta
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: use this one.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: It's like a backseat baker. It's dinky because she cooked.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: The entity of a female stagecoach driver is said to
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: reside there. And I don't know how they know this,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: but it says she pretended to be a man in
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: order to be allowed to drive the stagecoach.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Because I guess that women weren't allowed.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not going to lie.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: That kind of makes sense.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Like women weren't allowed to do a lot of stuff
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: that it doesn't actually make sense.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: But that's just how it was.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: I guess that makes sense.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: And I don't it didn't expand on any of that.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: So I don't know how they they know that that happened.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: But I think it I do think it said that
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: she had passed away on the property. And that's how
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: they found out she was a woman.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, and it was like a shock. Yeah.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: So like very successfully hiding it. This is like a
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Mulan situation. Yeah.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: And they opened her up and they're like, oh, shit. Oh, boy.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: It's a woman.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: It's a woman.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Her ghost has been seen on the main floor, seemingly
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: waiting to give someone a ride.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: That's so sweet. She's still working. She's still working. She's
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: a working woman. She loved her job. She pretended to
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: be a man to have her job. Literally.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Hey, listen, they say love what you do and you
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: never work a day in your life. They don't say
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: anything about the afterlife, but.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: You do you live your best afterlife. Another entity of
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: a young woman is seen in the Clark Gable room.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if she's like waiting for Clark
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: or what. The entity of an older man is seen
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: as well. And they think this could be one of
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the former owners watching over the place. So maybe Henry,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: maybe John.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: It was John, right? John and Dinky. Yeah.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. John and Dinky.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe one of those. Maybe one of the other owners.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I like to think it's John and Dinky's in the kitchen.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: And I just love that.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, it would be kind of a bummer to
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: have like been there working together essentially for like your
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: whole lives. And then only one of you decides to
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: haunt the place.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: No, they're together. That's what I'm saying.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: They got to be right.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I just think that I don't know anything about them
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: or know what's what. But I just think that they
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: have the greatest love story of all time.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: And I just don't know what it is. I just
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: feel it from them.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: I feel it in my bones.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I do. I don't know why. I love it. Okay.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: This one is weird. So bear with me. Okay.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: They say the entity of a vampire like creature is there.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: They think it might be like a woodland entity, like
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: the fae, I assume that's what they mean by that.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Or a man with like mental health issues.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Like people who think that they're vampires, you know, something
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, that's a thing. He has been seen
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: walking around the hotel. He has fangs and blood around
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: his mouth.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: And one guest claimed to have been bitten. I, nope.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: It's unconfirmed, but someone claimed to have been bitten.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Other than that, though, they say he's pretty well... It's
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: just funny.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: He's pretty well-dressed or pretty well-mannered.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Is that where we're going with this? Kind of, yeah.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Because I think I beg to differ.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Okay. Other than that, like the biting thing, they say
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: he's generally well behaved.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: So he just kind of walks around with fangs and blood. Yeah, sure.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: They believe the other spirits might keep him in line.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: So like maybe the former owner or something watching over
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the place, like don't bite the customers. Right.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: They were just out to lunch that one time. And so,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: you know, you hate to see it, but sometimes....
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Obviously, that's a little out there.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I believe someone was actually bitten.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Maybe they were. If you were, write in to us
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: and let us know and we'll believe you totally. But
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I just don't have enough information, I think.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, actually, if you could let us know, just so
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: we don't make any plans that maybe we don't want
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: to keep.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: No, I definitely don't want to scare anyone away from
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: going there, though, either, because I get a good vibe
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: from it, even though I've never been there.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: And I feel like most people do.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, it definitely seems like overall, like I kind
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: of have the same read on the place for whatever
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: that's worth as someone who's never been there.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Been there. Like you said, I feel like we can
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: catch vibes from afar. You know, I think so.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Several EVPs have been recorded there by paranormal investigators.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: One of them said, yes. And I picture it saying, yes.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Yes! It's the girl in Clark Gable's room.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Another EVP was caught as an answer to a statement.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: So a paranormal investigator named Madonna... She does have a
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: last name. It's not the Madonna.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Okay. So you anticipated my question. Yeah, I did. Okay, okay.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Because I didn't put her last name in here and
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I was like, people are going to get confused.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: They're going to have questions. So it's not the Madonna.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: It's just a Madonna. Okay.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, maybe she is the Madonna. Maybe the other
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Madonna is the pretender to the throne.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: You never know. You never know.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: So Madonna said, I am at Wolf Creek Inn.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: And a voice responded, yes, you are.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: So it's just like cute EVPs. Like a lot of
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: the EVPs we find are like, get out. Muses are
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: just like, yes.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Yes. Like the one, the really big hotel that we
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: went up to. Oh, God, this is embarrassing. All of
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: the people that are like listening for the paranormal are
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: so embarrassed of me right now. I feel like the
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: name is right there. It's on the tip of my tongue.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: I can't think of it. But when we went with
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Christina to Port Townsend and we went to that other
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: big hotel.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, the Manresa? Yes.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Manresa Castle? Yes. That one, holy hell. That one was spooky.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: The vibes were not immaculate.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I'd stay there, but.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I feel like you do so at your own peril.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I want to sleep in the attic.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't even catch me sleeping in a tent out
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: on the front lawn by the fountain. Actually, that fountain
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: out front is where I got like some of the
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: absolute scariest EVPs.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: They're not technically EVPs. You were using a like a
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: spirit box situation.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Because the EVP is like Just to just to distinguish
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: for people who may not know is an electronic voice
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: phenomenon where you hear like an actual voice. And then
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: like what you were using with like a spirit box
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: thing is like it switches. It just like says random
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: words or like switches through radio stations. But I think
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: the one you had just said random words, random quote
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: in quotes, the spirits manipulate it.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, yeah, yeah, yeah. You should
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: explain it for people that don't know. Because, like, I
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: totally do. I know all of this backwards and forwards. But, like,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: you know. I mean, just in case anybody listening doesn't know.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Just in case.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, so this one's funny.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: There was another paranormal group there that recorded an EVP
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: of a woman singing.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Which is cool. That's not the funny one. And another
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: of someone sang Beulah.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Beulah.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Beulah.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: And all I can think about is that 70s show
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: when they find out Jackie's middle name and they're like
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: looking through the school records and they see her middle
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: name and she's like.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Don't tell.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: And they're like, Beulah.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Beulah.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Jackie Beulah Burkhart.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Like that has a ring to it. Let's be real.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I like it. I think Beulah is a cool name,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: but it's just the funny.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: They said it like it's like the most disgusting thing
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: they've ever heard.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Like, I feel like Beulah does not equal like Bertha,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: you know, like I feel like Beulah is actually very pretty.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I think so, too.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's one of the ghosties names or something. Also,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: the woman singing is cute.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I could see that with the piano playing. I like it.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: It's comforting.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Serenade me.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: So overall, guests and staff say the spirits don't give
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: bad vibes. And most of what happens is just kind
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: of friendly mischief. I'm not sure about that vampire guy, but... Yeah, yeah.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: That may have been an isolated and completely... explainable phenomenon. Yeah.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe Zach left him there.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Well, you know.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's pre-Ghost Adventures or not.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, at the risk of being sued, I
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: would just like to say that I think, you know,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Zach has to be responsible about, you know, what he
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: is bringing in and making sure he's taking it back
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: out because I think.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: A lot of.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Personal responsibility, accountability. Come on.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Don't leave your trash behind.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Your demonic trash.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, so during Halloween season, the inn goes all out
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: with decorations, including Halloween-themed bedspreads and other treats in guest rooms.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: So I don't know what the other treats are, but
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I assume it's a bag of candy.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: I would like to find out.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I know. So we have to go during Halloween time. Okay.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Twist my arm.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: And they like fully decorate like skeletons everywhere, webs, like everything,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: the whole property. And there is still a restaurant there
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: with tasty cuisine that you can go to if you're
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: not even if you're not staying there, as well as
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: self-guided tours.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: So those are both available to anyone who comes. You
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: don't have to rent a room.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: And they sometimes have a free 50 minute tour guided
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: by a park ranger as well.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I saw the photo.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Check the website for times and things of when those
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: are happening.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I know I want to go on like I love
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: a self-guided tour, but I do want to go on.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: A like a guided tour as well. Like I kind
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: of want a little bit of both.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: You know, like I want to go and explore and
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: just like check out the vibe for myself but i
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: do like to have like the info and be guided and.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah and uh that's all i have for the wolf
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: creek inn yes yes if we go there i'm bringing
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: a recorder and we better catch the yes ghost.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: We would have to i don't know where it is
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you have it or I have it.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: It's somewhere we would have to get like our.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, we have a recorder. Oh, I was I was.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Thinking of the EMF reader.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Like we would for sure like need to, you know,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: dig up what we have and then maybe acquire some
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: more equipment.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: So some more legit equipment.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: But we do have a recorder. I do remember that.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: We do.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we did it. We used it at the White Eagle. Oh, yeah. God,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: where did that go? I don't think I have that.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: It's in my room somewhere.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, I was going to say, I think you have that.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: It's either in my room somewhere or it's in your
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: room somewhere.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: It's not in my room somewhere.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you just did organizing.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: So I think I have a little bucket with like
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: my podcast things, ghosty things in it.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Or we can literally just, there's like memo apps and
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: stuff for your iPhone.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Things like that, too.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: But I feel like people nowadays probably do record a
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: lot on their phones with like the voice memos.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, it can't hurt to have like more than one. Right.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Because like even in close proximity,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: I feel like you might pick up like slightly different things.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Because they are kind of quiet, too.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: So.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Sometimes.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, not every time, but sometimes.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: It'd be really cool to catch like the same EVP
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: on multiple different recorders.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: That would be really cool. That would be, yeah.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Because then it's like, okay, well, both of these devices
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: picked up the same thing. It's like that become, I
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: feel like that becomes kind of stronger, you know?
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: We're just like dreaming about future ghost hunting evidence. Exactly.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I don't have my tarot deck because I'm
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: an idiot.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I knew you were going to say that.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Also, my cute ghost is still there, I think. I
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: feel like that's what I would use if I was
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: going to pick one. Okay, so we're doing tarot with
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: the cute ghosty deck.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Okay. That was a really good shuffle.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Look at that.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: That was.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Ooh. Okay, so you spread them out by your keyboard, right? Mm-hmm.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I was thinking W for wolf.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's funny. There's one that's like perfectly aligned and
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: it's kind of like, it's kind of sticking out.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: It's the one. Okay. Oh, six of cups. Aw, cute.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Does it have like a couple in it?
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: It kind of looks like it does. It's like they're
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: all like love.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Oh it's john and dinky i told you guys i
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: picked up a vibe.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: So our keywords are nostalgia obviously okay emotional renewal for
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: a second i thought it said revival that was just
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: still in my head happiness and harmony oh i love.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: All of that also like harmony with the the singing
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: in the piano i.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Don't know yes oh my.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: God emotional renewal though kind of just like gives me
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: the vibe of them re like re renovating the.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah you know and it also kind of makes me
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: think of like that like we talked about there's like
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: multiple famous authors that.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Have stayed there oh Yeah.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: And it's kind of like that's where they go to like.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: It's like a retreat. Yes. It's like kind of also
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: in a way, I don't know, like creative revival and
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: just sort of like restoring your juices.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: This joyful card sometimes shows two children in a garden.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: It represents reflecting on a time of innocence, contentment and beauty.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: When it shows up, it indicates you're revisiting pleasant memories
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: and good times. Knowing that you have been happy in
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: the past can enhance your ability to be happy in
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: the future, especially if you've undergone a painful experience recently.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: This makes me think of Handbook for the Recently Deceased.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, kind of.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's where they're going to go.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: Like this is a place where you have all of
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: these happy memories and maybe like kind of being there
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: for a time like helps you just sort of like
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: move to the next.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. A card of.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Emotional renewal, perhaps after a time of unhappiness, the Six
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: of Cups represents a willingness to share joy with others.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: You eagerly give of yourself and receive the good things
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: life offers. Through your actions, you express love and caring
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: to people you know and to the things you value.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: It is the doogles because they were known for like
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: their hospitality.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying like it's definitely giving that vibe.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: I love this.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, this is interesting. In a reading about money, this
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: card suggests an upswing in your finances, perhaps after a
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: loss or time of limitation. So I feel like that
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: kind of speaks to like the building, like the physical space. Yeah.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: It can represent a joint venture in which you share
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: expenses and profits with others. Sometimes it indicates a debt repaid.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Well, that's like The state of Oregon is like sharing
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: their profits with like all of us by redoing the
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: building and opening it again.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, this is funny. This makes me think of the
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: stagecoach driver that you talked about.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: If the reading is about your job, the six upright
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: shows renewed enthusiasm for your work. Yeah.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Renewed after death. Right?
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: Perhaps a change offers you more creativity or an improved
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: work environment. Developing new skills can benefit you now. So
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: like maybe by day, she's a stagecoach driver, but she's
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: also like learning coding.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: We don't know what she's up to. Nobody knows. Yeah.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: In a reading about love, this card shows you're overcoming
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: problems in a relationship and renewing positive feelings for one another.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: Sometimes the Six of Cups can mean reconnecting with a
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: past lover.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Aww.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: I kind of feel like you're overcoming death and you
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: are renewing the positive feelings in this place that you
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: shared together.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. It's interesting, too, that like Jack London is
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: seen there because obviously he didn't die there. But like
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: that was like one of his favorite places. So he's
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: going to, you know, come back and visit.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, it just makes sense. There is an extra excerpt.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: Just in case you needed any reinforcement about Dinky and John.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so excited.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: The extra excerpt says, symbol of a kiss. The six
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: of cups in the Rider-Waite-Smith deck shows a large cup
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: resting on a pillar decorated with an X. X is
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: the Norse rune for love and a symbol we use.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: For a kiss. Aww, I don't think I ever knew that.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: That's pretty cool.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: I didn't either.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: We learn something new every day. Tarot's useful.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying. Well, and then like, truthfully, like I
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: feel like a lot of the cards just based on
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: the imagery and like as many times as we have
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: done tarot readings now at this point, and we both
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: already loved tarot. But the one thing that we've kind
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: of taken away is that like the different manuals and
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: stuff that we read the interpretations and everything. you just
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: pick up on so many, like, especially in this like
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: kind of like the, we call it the big book,
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: you know, there's so many little extra excerpts or there's
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: so many little bits of insight in it that like
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: we really have learned so many different things. And like
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: we've learned to kind of interpret and parse things out
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: in a way that I definitely wouldn't have when we
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: first started the show.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: That book's been very helpful, I think. Yeah. I know.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: And I'm always on the hunt for like, you know,
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: because and we joke about it. We get like some
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: of the same cards like over and over again. We've
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: gotten them obviously several times. As many episodes as we've done.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: It's not like we've gotten every single card in the deck, though. Right.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Not at all.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: And like, obviously, statistically, I think, you know, we probably
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: have to do a couple million more to be able
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: to actually get every single card in the deck.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: But I.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Think expanding and kind of having different interpretation manuals to
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: like help us as we continue to like look at
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: the same cards again or look at even new cards
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: really interesting to just kind of get like kind of
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: a different read or interpretation on some of them so.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah if anyone knows a good.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: Book yes we're fishing just a little bit.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: I love that we got a card that we haven't
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: really gotten before like we might have gotten it but
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: it's not one that's like super familiar so that was nice.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: If we've gotten it before, I don't recall. And I
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: don't recall reading that extra excerpt. So I don't think
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: we've gotten that one before.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: And it is interesting.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Like we always say, like, it really is like we
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: were having good vibes about this.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: And then we got like that card.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: And then when we do true crime, like we get
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: the same like bad vibe to cards.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we do get a lot of the same cards
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: on those.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: It's interesting.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: It's interesting. Although we've had a couple of like, I
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: know that I've turned to you like when we've been
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: doing the tarot reading for a true crime episode and
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: I've been like, there is no way. There's no way
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: we got this like, and I know just enough about
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: like the deck at this point that I'm like, there's
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: no way this card is just like it's too over
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: the top positive.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Like what?
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: And then it turns out like as we read the interpretation,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: it's like, well, that that has more to do with
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: like someone specifically connected to the case. And now I
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: see why we got it.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: There have been some where I have been like, OK,
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: can we just like delete that? And can we just
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: like redraw? Because like, I feel like there's no way
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: that's right. And then when we like see it through
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: and we actually read the interpretation, I have been just like, wow,
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: I don't think I could have been more wrong. And
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: kind of in a way, like shame on me.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: I know, right? Which we've never done that.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Like we've never pulled a card and just like had
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: to redo except for one time, but we recorded it.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: And it was the time I was sick, like super sick.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: And I pulled like just the opposite of what this is.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: And I was like, this is so wrong. Like something
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: has to be wrong. And we're like, oh, it's because
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I had COVID.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you were so sick.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: And your witchy skills don't work as good when you're sick. Right.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: But like in a way, the fact that you pull
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: like kind of the polar opposite opposite, like even that,
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: like to me, like I still kind of I'm like,
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: you know what? There's a takeaway in that in a sense, too. Like,
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just remember that one was so sad.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: And we just pulled like the two of cups, I think,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: or something like the happiest of happy cards.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: And maybe there's things that we don't know.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe there's things we don't know.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: But, yeah.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: No, I remember that. And we were like, we simply must, like,
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: let's draw another one just to get a little bit, like,
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: we say deeper insight. Let's go deeper.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Deeper.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Deeper.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: But then it was like very obviously okay like this
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: is the card this is the one yeah so go
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: back and listen to that one it was the uh
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: iron goat trail oh a million years ago about the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: the train crash.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: The train crash i'm so glad you remembered because i
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: remember all of Like, I remember all of those details,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: but gone to my head, I would not be able
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: to tell you what episode it was. So, I mean.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Or it didn't crash. It was an avalanche. Yeah.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: I was going to say it was... I feel like
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: derailment is maybe more.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, derailed by an avalanche.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: It was very sad. Well, should we say goodbye to
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: the people? Probably. The creepiest people? Creepiest of people. Have
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: a creepy ass day. We'll see you next Thursday.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Which I was going to say, so you can't get
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: it out of your head like I can't, which is
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: why we.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Wow. Did I just have a malfunction?